What happens when biology becomes technology? | Christina Agapakis

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譯者: Lilian Chiu 審譯者: Helen Chang
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A briefcase full of poop changed my life.
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一個裝滿便便的公事包 改變了我的人生。
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Ten years ago, I was a graduate student
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十年前,我還是研究生時,
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and I was helping judge a genetic engineering competition
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我在一個大學生基因工程 競賽中幫忙當評審。
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for undergrads.
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There, I met a British artist and designer named Alexandra Daisy Ginsberg.
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在那裡,我遇見了英國的藝術家 和設計師亞歷山卓戴西金斯堡。
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She was wearing the white embroidered polo shirt
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她穿著劍橋大學隊的 白色刺繡馬球衫,
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of the University of Cambridge team
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00:30
and holding a silver briefcase,
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拿著一個銀色的公事包,
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like the kind that you would imagine is handcuffed to your wrist.
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就是你想像中用手銬 銬在你手腕上的那一種。
00:35
She gestured over from a quiet corner
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她從一個安靜的角落向我示意, 問我想不想看個東西。
00:37
and asked me if I wanted to see something.
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00:39
With a sneaky look, she opened up the suitcase,
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她掛著鬼崇的表情, 打開了公事包,
00:42
and inside were six glorious, multicolored turds.
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裡面有六塊壯觀的多色糞塊。
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The Cambridge team, she explained,
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她解釋,劍橋隊
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had spent their summer engineering the bacteria E. coli
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整個夏天都在針對 大腸桿菌做基因工程,
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to be able to sense different things in the environment
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讓它能感測到環境中的不同事物,
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and produce a rainbow of different colors in response.
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並產生出不同顏色的 彩虹做為回應。
00:57
Arsenic in your drinking water?
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你喝的水當中有砷?
00:59
This strain would turn green.
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這種菌種就會轉為綠色。
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She and her collaborator, the designer James King,
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她和她的合作夥伴 設計師詹姆士金恩
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worked with the students and imagined the different possible scenarios
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和學生合作,想像出各種可能情境
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of how you might use these bacteria.
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來使用這些細菌。
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What if, they asked, you could use them
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他們問,如果你可以把這些細菌
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as a living probiotic drink and health monitor, all in one?
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做成活的益生菌飲料加上 健康監控器,合而為一,如何?
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You could drink the bacteria and it would live in your gut,
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你可以喝下細菌, 讓它生活在腸道中,
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sensing what's going on,
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感測發生的狀況,
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and then in response to something,
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接著它會產生出有顏色區別的輸出 表示對某種狀況的反應。
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it would be able to produce a colored output.
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01:23
Holy shit!
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天(字面:神聖的屎)!
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The Cambridge team went on to win
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劍橋隊接著贏得了
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the International Genetically Engineered Machine competition,
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國際遺傳工程機器設計競賽,
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or iGEM for short.
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簡稱 iGEM。
01:30
And as for me, those turds were a turning point.
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對我來說,那些糞塊是個轉捩點。
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I am a synthetic biologist,
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我是合成生物學家,
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which is probably a weird term that most people aren't familiar with.
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這可能是個大部分人 不熟悉的怪詞。
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It definitely sounds like an oxymoron.
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它聽起來肯定很像矛盾修飾。
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How can biology, something natural,
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生物是很天然的, 怎麼可能是合成的?
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be synthetic?
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01:45
How can something artificial be alive?
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人工的怎麼會有生命?
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Synthetic biologists sort of poke holes
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合成生物學家算是
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in that boundary that we draw between what is natural and what's technological.
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在天然和科技之間的那界線上戳洞。
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And every year, iGEM students from all over the world
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每年,來自各地的 iGEM 學生都會花一整個夏天
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spend their summer
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trying to engineer biology to be technology.
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試圖透過工程 把生物學轉變為科技。
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They teach bacteria how to play sudoku,
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他們教細菌如何玩數讀,
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they make multicolored spider silk,
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他們製造出多色的蜘蛛絲,
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they make self-healing concrete
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他們製造出會自癒的混凝土、
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and tissue printers and plastic-eating bacteria.
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組織列印機,及會吃塑膠的細菌。
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Up until that moment, though,
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不過,在那一刻之前,
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I was a little bit more concerned with a different kind of oxymoron.
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我比較在意另一種矛盾修飾。
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Just plain old genetic engineering.
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就是單純的老式基因工程。
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The comedian Simon Munnery once wrote
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喜劇演員西蒙穆內瑞寫過,
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that genetic engineering is actually insulting to proper engineering.
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基因工程其實是在侮辱正統的工程。
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Genetic engineering is more like throwing a bunch of concrete and steel in a river
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基因工程比較像是把一堆 混凝土和鋼材丟到河裡,
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and if somebody can walk across, you call it a bridge.
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如果有人能這樣走過河, 就能稱它是一座橋。
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And so synthetic biologists were pretty worried about this,
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所以合成生物學家很擔心這一點,
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and worried that genetic engineering was a little bit more art that science.
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擔心基因工程比較 像是藝術而不是科學。
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They wanted to turn genetic engineering into a real engineering discipline,
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他們想要把基因工程轉變成 一門真正的工程學科,
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where we could program cells and write DNA
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讓我們可以用工程師 為電腦寫軟體的方式,
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the way that engineers write software for computers.
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替細胞寫程式及寫入 DNA。
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That day 10 years ago started me on a path that gets me to where I am now.
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十年前的那一天讓我踏上一條路, 才會走到今天這一步。
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Today, I'm the creative director
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現在,我是創意總監,
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at a synthetic biology company called Ginkgo Bioworks.
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在合成生物公司 Ginkgo Bioworks 工作。
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"Creative director" is a weird title
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在這間生物科技公司裡 「創意總監」是個蠻奇怪的職稱,
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for a biotech company were people try to program life
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我們用為電腦寫程式的方式 來為生命寫程式。
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the way that we program computers.
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03:09
But that day when I met Daisy,
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但那天,當我見到戴西,
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I learned something about engineering.
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我對工程有了更多了解。
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I learned that engineering isn't really just about equations
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我了解到,工程的重點 並不只是方程式、
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and steel and circuits,
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鋼筋、電路,
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it's actually about people.
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其實重點是在人。
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It's something that people do, and it impacts us.
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重點是人會做的事, 及此事對我們的影響。
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So in my work,
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所以,在我在研究中
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I try to open up new spaces for different kinds of engineering.
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試著為不同類型的工程開創新空間。
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How can we ask better questions,
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我們要如何問更好的問題?
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and can we have better conversations
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針對我們希望有怎樣的科技未來, 我們要如何做更好的討論?
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about what we want from the future of technology?
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03:34
How can we understand the technological
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我們要如何同時了解科技
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but also social and political and economic reasons
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以及社會、政治、經濟的理由,
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that GMOs are so polarizing in our society?
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造成我們社會中基因改造生物 如此兩極化的各種理由?
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Can we make GMOs that people love?
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我們能做出大家喜愛的 基因改造生物嗎?
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Can we use biology to make technology that's more expansive and regenerative?
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我們能用生物學來做出 更廣泛、更革新的科技嗎?
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I think it starts by recognizing that we, as synthetic biologists,
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我認為起始點是要承認
我們合成生物學家 還受到一種文化的薰陶,
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are also shaped by a culture that values "real engineering"
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這種文化對「真正的工程學」的 重視程度勝於任何骯髒的東西。
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more than any of the squishy stuff.
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We get so caught up in circuits and what happens inside of computers,
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我們太專注在電路 及電腦內部發生的狀況,
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that we sometimes lose sight of the magic that's happening inside of us.
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以致於有時我們沒有注意到 我們自己內在所產生的魔力。
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There is plenty of shitty technology out there,
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外頭有許多屎級的科技,
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but this was the first time that I imagined poop as technology.
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但這是我頭一次 把便便想像成科技。
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I began to see that synthetic biology was awesome,
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我開始發現,合成生物學很棒,
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not because we could turn cells into computers,
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不是因為我們能把細胞轉變成電腦,
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but because we could bring technology to life.
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而是因為我們能讓科技活過來。
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This was technology that was visceral,
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那裡有種發自內心的科技,
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an unforgettable vision of what the future might hold.
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對於未來的樣貌, 有種讓人難忘的遠景。
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But importantly, it was also framed as the question
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但重要的是它也被包裝成一個問題:
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"Is this the kind of future that we actually want?"
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「我們真的想要這樣的未來嗎?」
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We've been promised a future of chrome,
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我們被許諾網路瀏覽器般的未來,
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but what if the future is fleshy?
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但如果未來是有血肉的呢?
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Science and science fiction
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科學和科幻小說
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help us remember that we're made of star stuff.
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幫我們記得我們是星塵之軀。
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But can it also help us remember the wonder and weirdness
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但它也能幫我們記得身為 血肉之軀的驚奇和不可思議嗎?
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of being made of flesh?
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04:50
Biology is us,
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生物學就是我們,
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it's our bodies, it's what we eat.
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是我們的身體,是我們吃的東西。
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What happens when biology becomes technology?
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當生物學變成科技時,會如何?
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These images are questions,
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這些圖片代表著問題,
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and they challenge what we think of as normal and desirable.
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且挑戰我們認定的正常和合意。
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And they also show us that the future is full of choices
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它們也讓我們看到未來滿是選擇,
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and that we could choose differently.
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以及我們能做不同的選擇。
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What's the future of the body, of beauty?
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身體的未來,美麗的未來是什麼?
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If we change the body, will we have new kinds of awareness?
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如果我們改變身體, 我們會有新的意識嗎?
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And will new kinds of awareness of the microbial world
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關於微生物的新意識
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change the way that we eat?
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會改變我們吃的方式嗎?
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The last chapter of my dissertation was all about cheese that I made
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我論文的最後一章, 全都在談我做的起司,
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using bacteria that I swabbed from in between my toes.
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它的成份是從我的 腳趾間拭取的細菌。
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I told you that the poop changed my life.
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我說過,那些便便改變了我的人生。
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I worked with the smell artist and researcher Sissel Tolaas
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我和氣味藝術家及研究者 西塞爾托拉斯合作,
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to explore all of the ways that our bodies and cheese are connected
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研究我們的身體和起司透過氣味
(因此也是透過微生物) 連結的各種方式。
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through smell and therefore microbes.
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And we created this cheese
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我們創造出了這種起司, 來挑戰我們的想法,
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to challenge how we think about the bacteria
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重新思考我們生活中的細菌,
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that's part of our lives
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and the bacteria that we work with in the lab.
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以及我們在實驗室中使用的細菌。
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We are, indeed, what we eat.
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的確,你吃什麼就是什麼樣的人。
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The intersection of biology and technology
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生物學與科技的交會點
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is more often told as a story of transcending our fleshy realities.
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通常都被當成一個關於 超越肉體現實的故事來訴說。
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If you can upload your brain to a computer,
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若你能把你的大腦上傳到電腦, 你就不再需要上大號了。
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you don't need to poop anymore after all.
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And that's usually a story that's told as a good thing, right?
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通常說這種故事時 是當好事在說,對吧?
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Because computers are clean, and biology is messy.
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因為電腦很乾淨,
而生物學一團亂。
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Computers make sense and are rational,
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電腦有道理,是理性的,
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and biology is an unpredictable tangle.
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生物學既無法預測又糾結在一起。
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It kind of follows from there
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從這大概就衍生出
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that science and technology are supposed to be rational,
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科學和科技應該要理性、
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objective
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客觀,
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and pure,
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且純粹,
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and it's humans that are a total mess.
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會一團亂的是人類。
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But like synthetic biologists poke holes
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但,就像合成生物學家在大自然
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in that line between nature and technology,
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和科技之間的那條線上戳洞一樣,
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artists, designers and social scientists
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藝術家、設計師 以及社會科學家讓我見識到
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showed me that the lines that we draw between nature, technology and society
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我們在大自然、科技 及社會之間所畫下的線,
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are a little bit softer than we might think.
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比我們想像的還要軟一些。
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They challenge us to reconsider our visions for the future
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他們挑戰我們,去重新思考 我們對於未來的遠景,
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and our fantasies about controlling nature.
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以及我們對於控制大自然的幻想。
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They show us how our prejudices, our hopes and our values
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他們讓我們見識到,我們的 偏見、希望,以及價值觀
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are embedded in science and technology
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都透過我們發問的問題 以及我們做出的選擇,
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through the questions that we ask and the choices that we make.
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被置入在科學和科技中。
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They make visible the ways that science and technology are human
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他們揭露出科學和科技 如何具有人性,
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and therefore political.
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也因而具有政治性。
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What does it mean for us to be able to control life
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我們能夠依據自己的目的 來控制生命,這代表什麼意義?
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for our own purposes?
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The artists Oron Catts and Ionat Zurr
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藝術家歐倫凱茲和艾奧納祖爾
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made a project called "Victimless Leather,"
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有個專案計畫叫 「無受害者的皮革」,
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where they engineered a tiny leather jacket
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他們用基因工程, 將老鼠細胞做成小型皮夾克。
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out of mouse cells.
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Is this jacket alive?
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這件夾克是活的嗎?
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What does it take to grow it and keep it this way?
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要花什麼代價才能將它 栽培出來並保持這個樣子?
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Is it really victimless?
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真的沒有受害者嗎?
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And what does it mean for something to be victimless?
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某樣東西「無受害者」, 那是什麼意思?
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The choices that we make
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我們在我們的發展故事中 針對我們要展現什麼、
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in what we show and what we hide in our stories of progress,
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隱藏什麼所做出的選擇,
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are often political choices that have real consequences.
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通常都是政治考量的選擇, 會導致真實的後果。
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How will genetic technologies shape the way that we understand ourselves
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基因科技會如何形塑出 我們了解自己的方式
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and define our bodies?
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及定義我們身體的方式?
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The artist Heather Dewey-Hagborg made these faces
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藝術家海瑟杜威黑格伯格 創作了這些臉孔,
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based on DNA sequences she extracted from sidewalk litter,
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創作的根據是她從人行道 垃圾中取出的 DNA 序列,
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forcing us to ask questions about genetic privacy,
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迫使我們要詢問 關於基因隱私的問題,
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but also how and whether DNA can really define us.
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也要問 DNA 如何以及是否 真的能夠定義我們。
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How will we fight against and cope with climate change?
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我們要如何對抗及處理氣候變遷?
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Will we change the way that we make everything,
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我們是否會改變製造東西的方式?
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using biological materials that can grow and decay alongside us?
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使用會和我們一樣 生長和腐爛的生物材料?
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Will we change our own bodies?
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我們會改變我們自己的身體嗎?
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Or nature itself?
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或者大自然本身?
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Or can we change the system that keeps reinforcing those boundaries
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抑或我們能否改變那個
不斷強化科學、社會、大自然 與科技之間界線的那個系統呢?
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between science, society, nature and technology?
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Relationships that today keep us locked in these unsustainable patterns.
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現今將我們鎖在這些 不永續模式當中的關係。
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How we understand and respond to crises
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對於同時牽涉大自然、 科技和社會的危機,
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that are natural, technical and social all at once,
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我們去了解和因應它們的方式,
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from coronavirus to climate change,
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如,從新型冠狀病毒到氣候變遷,
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is deeply political,
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都是非常政治化的,
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and science never happens in a vacuum.
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而科學絕對不會在真空中發生。
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Let's go back in time
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咱們回到過去,
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to when the first European settlers arrived in Hawaii.
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回到第一批歐洲移居者 抵達夏威夷的時期。
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They eventually brought their cattle and their scientists with them.
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他們最終把他們的小牛 及科學家都一起帶過去。
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The cattle roamed the hillsides,
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小牛在山坡上閒晃,
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trampling and changing the ecosystems as they went.
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所經之處的生態系統 被牠們踐踏了、改變了。
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The scientists catalogued the species that they found there,
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科學家將他們在那裡 找到的物種做分類,
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often taking the last specimen before they went extinct.
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通常會在這些物種絕種 之前取走最後的樣本。
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This is the Maui hau kuahiwi,
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這是茂宜島上的山芙蓉,
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or the Hibiscadelphus wilderianus,
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或稱魏氏岳槿,
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so named by Gerrit Wilder in 1910.
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1910 年蓋瑞特魏爾德取的名稱。
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By 1912, it was extinct.
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1912 年,這種植物絕種了。
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I found this specimen in the Harvard University Herbarium,
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我在哈佛大學的植物 標本室找到這個樣本,
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where it's housed with five million other specimens from all over the world.
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標本室中還有五百萬個 來自世界各地的其他樣本。
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I wanted to take a piece of science's past,
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我想要取科學的部分過往,
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tied up as it was with colonialism,
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緊緊綁在一起, 就像它與殖民主義那樣,
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and all of the embedded ideas
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還有所有置於其中的想法,
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of the way that nature and science and society should work together,
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關於大自然、科學,及社會 要如何同心協力的想法,
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and ask questions about science's future.
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並針對科學的未來提出問題。
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Working with an awesome team at Ginkgo,
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和 Ginkgo 及加大聖塔克魯茲的 優秀團隊合作,
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and others at UC Santa Cruz,
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we were able to extract a little bit of the DNA
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讓我們能夠從這一小片植物樣本中
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from a tiny sliver of this plant specimen
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粹取出一些 DNA,
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and to sequence the DNA inside.
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並將內部的 DNA 做定序。
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And then resynthesize a possible version
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接著,我們針對造成 這種植物氣味的基因,
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of the genes that made the smell of the plant.
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重新合成出了一個可能的版本。
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By inserting those genes into yeast,
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將那些基因置入到酵母中,
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we could produce little bits of that smell
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我們就能製造出一點那種氣味,
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and be able to, maybe, smell
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且也許還能夠聞到一些 已經永遠失去的氣味。
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a little bit of something that's lost forever.
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09:49
Working again with Daisy and Sissel Tolaas,
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我和戴西及我在起司專案中的夥伴
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my collaborator on the cheese project,
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西塞爾托拉斯再次合作,
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we reconstructed and composed a new smell of that flower,
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我們重新建構出那種花的新氣味,
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and created an installation where people could experience it,
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並建造了一個裝置, 讓大家能去體驗它,
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to be part of this natural history and synthetic future.
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參與這段大自然歷史及合成未來。
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Ten years ago, I was a synthetic biologist
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十年前,我是個合成生物學家,
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worried that genetic engineering was more art than science
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擔心著基因工程比較 像是藝術而非科學,
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and that people were too messy
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人實在太凌亂,
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and biology was too complicated.
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而生物學實在太複雜。
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Now I use genetic engineering as art
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現在,我把基因工程 當作藝術來使用,
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to explore all the different ways that we are entangled together
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來探索我們糾纏連結 在一起的各種不同方式,
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and imagine different possible futures.
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想像不同的可能未來。
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A fleshy future
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有血肉的未來
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is one that does recognize all those interconnections
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是能夠承認所有這些 相互連結的未來,
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and the human realities of technology.
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能承認科技的人類現實,
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But it also recognizes the incredible power of biology,
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也能承認生物學的驚人力量——
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its resilience and sustainability,
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它的恢復力和永續性,
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its ability to heal and grow and adapt.
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能治癒、成長和適應的能力——
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Values that are so necessary
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是我們現今對未來願景 所亟需的價值觀。
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for the visions of the futures that we can have today.
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10:45
Technology will shape that future,
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科技會形塑出那個未來,
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but humans make technology.
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但科技是人類創造出來的。
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How we decide what that future will be
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要如何決定未來的樣貌
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is up to all of us.
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就看我們了。
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Thank you.
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謝謝。
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