How our friendship survives our opposing politics | Caitlin Quattromani and Lauran Arledge

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ฒˆ์—ญ: Seok Kim ๊ฒ€ํ† : Sojeong KIM
00:12
Caitlin Quattromani: The election of 2016 felt different.
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์ผ€์ดํ‹€๋ฆฐ: 2016๋…„ ๋Œ€์„ ์€ ๋‹ฌ๋ž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:16
Political conversations with our family and friends
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๊ฐ€์กฑ, ์ง€์ธ๋“ค๊ณผ์˜ ์ •์น˜ ํ† ๋ก  ์†์—์„œ
00:19
uncovered a level of polarization
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์ „์— ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ ์–‘๊ทนํ™”๊ฐ€ ๋“œ๋Ÿฌ๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:21
that many of us had not previously experienced.
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00:24
People who we always thought were reasonable and intelligent
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ํ•ฉ๋ฆฌ์ ์ด๊ณ  ์ง€์ ์ด๋ผ ๋ฏฟ์—ˆ๋˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
00:28
seemed like strangers.
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๋‚ฏ์„  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋Š๊ปด์กŒ์–ด์š”.
00:29
We said to ourselves, "How could you think that?
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ํ˜ผ์žฃ๋งํ•˜๊ณค ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. "์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€?
00:32
I thought you were smart."
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋˜‘๋˜‘ํ•œ ์ค„ ์•Œ์•˜๋Š”๋ฐ."
00:34
Lauran Arledge: Caitlin and I met in the summer of 2011,
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๋กœ๋ž€ ์•Œ๋ ›์ง€: 2011๋…„ ์—ฌ๋ฆ„, ์ผ€์ดํ‹€๋ฆฐ์„ ์ฒ˜์Œ ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:37
and we bonded around being working moms
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๊ธฐ์šด์ด ๋„˜์น˜๋Š” ์•„๋“ค์„ ํ‚ค์šฐ๋Š” ์›Œํ‚น๋ง˜๋“ค๋กœ
00:39
and trying to keep our very energetic boys busy.
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์„œ๋กœ์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ•ํ•œ ์œ ๋Œ€๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๊ผˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:42
And we soon found out we had almost everything in common.
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๊ณง ๊ณตํ†ต์ ์ด ์•„์ฃผ ๋งŽ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ์•Œ์•˜์ฃ .
00:46
From our love of Colorado to our love of sushi,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ฝœ๋กœ๋ผ๋„๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ–ˆ๊ณ , ์Šค์‹œ๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
00:49
there wasn't much we didn't agree on.
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์ด๊ฒฌ์„ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์—†์—ˆ์ฃ .
00:52
We also discovered that we share a deep love of this country
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋‘ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์„ ํ–ฅํ•œ ์• ์ •์ด ๊นŠ์—ˆ๊ณ ,
00:55
and feel a responsibility to be politically active.
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์ ๊ทน์  ์ •์น˜์ฐธ์—ฌ์˜ ์ฑ…์ž„์„ ๋Š๊ผˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:59
But no one's perfect --
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์™„๋ฒฝํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ์—†์ฃ .
01:00
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
01:01
and I soon found out two disappointing things about Caitlin.
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์ €๋Š” ๊ณง ์‹ค๋ง์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ์  ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋ฅผ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
01:05
First, she hates camping.
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์ฒซ์งธ, ์ผ€์ดํ‹€๋ฆฐ์€ ์บ ํ•‘์„ ์‹ซ์–ดํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
01:08
CQ: I think camping is the worst.
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CQ: ์บ ํ•‘์€ ์ตœ์•…์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”.
01:10
LA: So there would not be any joint camping trips in our future.
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LA: ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์บ ํ•‘์„ ๊ฐˆ ์ผ์€ ์—†์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•˜์–ด์š”.
01:14
The second thing is that she's politically active all right --
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๋‘˜์งธ, ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์ •์น˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งค์šฐ ์ ๊ทน์ ์ด์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
01:18
as a conservative.
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๋ณด์ˆ˜์˜€์ฃ .
01:20
CQ: I may hate camping, but I love politics.
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CQ: ์ €๋Š” ์บ ํ•‘์€ ์‹ซ์–ดํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์ •์น˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:23
I listen to conservative talk radio just about every day,
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๋งค์ผ ๋ณด์ˆ˜ ์„ฑํ–ฅ์˜ ๋ผ๋””์˜ค ํ† ํฌ๋ฅผ ์ฒญ์ทจํ•˜๊ณ ,
01:26
and I've volunteered for a few different conservative political campaigns.
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๋ช‡๋ช‡ ๋ณด์ˆ˜ ์ •์น˜ ์บ ํŽ˜์ธ์—์„œ ๋ด‰์‚ฌ ํ™œ๋™๋„ ํ•˜์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:31
LA: And I'd say I'm a little to the left,
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LA: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์ง„๋ณด์„ฑํ–ฅ์„ ๊ฐ€์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:33
like all the way to the left.
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์ขŒ์ธก์œผ๋กœ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธฐ์šธ์–ด์ง„ ํŽธ์ด์—์š”.
01:34
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
01:36
I've always been interested in politics.
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์ €๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ •์น˜์— ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
01:38
I was a political science major,
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์ •์น˜ํ•™์„ ์ „๊ณตํ–ˆ๊ณ ์š”.
01:40
and I worked as a community organizer and on a congressional campaign.
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์ง€์—ญ์‚ฌํšŒ์™€ ์˜ํšŒ ์บ ํŽ˜์ธ์—์„œ ์ฃผ๋„์ ์ธ ์—ญํ• ์„ ํ–ˆ์ฃ .
01:43
CQ: So as Lauran and I were getting to know each other,
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CQ: ๋กœ๋ž€๊ณผ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์„œ๋กœ๋ฅผ ์•Œ์•„๊ฐ€๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋˜ ๋ฌด๋ ต
01:46
it was right in the middle of that 2012 presidential campaign,
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2012๋…„ ๋Œ€์„ ์ด ํ•œ์ฐฝ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:49
and most of our early political conversations
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์ดˆ๊ธฐ์— ๋‚˜๋ˆˆ ์ •์น˜์ ์ธ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋Š”
01:52
were really just based in jokes and pranks.
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๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„ ๋†๋‹ด๊ณผ ์žฅ๋‚œ์ด ์˜ค๊ฐ€๋Š” ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด์—ˆ์ฃ .
01:55
So as an example, I would change Lauran's computer screen saver
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋กœ๋ž€์˜ ํ™”๋ฉด๋ณดํ˜ธ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ
01:58
to a picture of Mitt Romney,
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๋ฐ‹ ๋กฌ๋‹ˆ ์‚ฌ์ง„์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐ”๊พธ๊ฒ ๋‹ค๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
01:59
or she would put an Obama campaign magnet on the back of my car.
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๋กœ๋ž€์ด ์ œ ์ฐจ ๋’ค์— ์˜ค๋ฐ”๋งˆ ์„ ๊ฑฐ ํ™๋ณด์šฉ ์ž์„์„ ๋ถ™์—ฌ๋†“๋Š” ์‹์ด์—ˆ์ฃ .
02:02
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
02:04
LA: Car, not minivan.
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LA: ๋ฏธ๋‹ˆ๋ฐด์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์ž๋™์ฐจ์˜€์–ด์š”.
02:06
CQ: But over time, those conversations grew more serious
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CQ: ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ํ๋ฅด๋ฉด์„œ, ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋Š” ์ ์  ์ง„์ง€ํ•ด์กŒ๊ณ ,
02:09
and really became a core of our friendship.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์šฐ์ •์˜ ํ•ต์‹ฌ์ด ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:11
And somewhere along the line,
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์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ณผ์ •์„ ๊ฑฐ์น˜๋ฉฐ
02:13
we decided we didn't want to have any topic be off limits for discussion,
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๋งŒ์•ฝ '์šฐ์ • ์•ˆ์ „์ง€๋Œ€'๋ฅผ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚˜ ๋งˆ์Œ์ด ๋ถˆํŽธํ• ์ง€๋ผ๋„
02:17
even if those topics pushed us way outside of our friendship comfort zone.
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๋ชจ๋“  ์ด์Šˆ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜์ž๊ณ  ๊ฒฐ์‹ฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:21
LA: And so to most of us,
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LA: ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ
02:22
political conversations are a zero-sum game.
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์ •์น˜์  ๋Œ€ํ™”๋Š” ์ œ๋กœ์„ฌ ๊ฒŒ์ž„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:25
There's a winner and there's a loser.
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์Šน์ž์™€ ํŒจ์ž๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์ฃ .
02:27
We go for the attack and we spot a weakness in someone's argument.
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์ƒ๋Œ€์˜ ์ฃผ์žฅ์„ ๊ณต๊ฒฉํ•˜๋ฉฐ ํ—ˆ์ ์„ ์ฐพ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:30
And here's the important part:
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฑด
02:32
we tend to take every comment or opinion that's expressed
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋Œ€ํ™” ์ค‘ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•œ ์˜๊ฒฌ์„
02:35
as a personal affront to our own values and beliefs.
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์ž์‹ ์˜ ๊ฐ€์น˜์™€ ๋ฏฟ์Œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ชจ์š•์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ด๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
02:39
But what if changed the way we think about these conversations?
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋Œ€ํ™”์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๊ณ ๋ฐฉ์‹์„ ๋ฐ”๊พผ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์–ด๋–จ๊นŒ์š”?
02:43
What if, in these heated moments,
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์—ด๋ค ์ƒํ™ฉ์—์„œ
02:45
we chose dialogue over debate?
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ํ† ๋ก  ๋Œ€์‹  ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์„ ํƒํ•˜๋ฉด์š”?
02:48
When we engage in dialogue, we flip the script.
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๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์„ ํƒํ•˜๋Š” ์ˆœ๊ฐ„, ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ์ „ํ™˜๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:52
We replace our ego and our desire to win
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์ž์กด์‹ฌ๊ณผ ์ด๊ธฐ๋ ค๋Š” ๋งˆ์Œ์€
02:54
with curiosity, empathy
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ํ˜ธ๊ธฐ์‹ฌ๊ณผ ๊ณต๊ฐ
02:57
and a desire to learn.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ ์ž ํ•˜๋Š” ์˜์ง€๋กœ ๋Œ€์ฒด๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:58
Instead of coming from a place of judgment,
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ํ‰๊ฐ€ํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ํƒœ๋„ ๋Œ€์‹ 
03:00
we are genuinely interested in the other person's experiences,
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์ƒ๋Œ€๋ฐฉ์˜ ๊ฒฝํ—˜๊ณผ ๊ฐ€์น˜๊ด€, ๊ณ ๋ฏผ์—
03:04
their values and their concerns.
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์ง„์‹ฌ์œผ๋กœ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๋‘๊ฒŒ ๋˜์ฃ .
03:07
CQ: You make it sound so simple, Lauran.
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CQ: ๊ต‰์žฅํžˆ ์‰ฌ์šด ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋งํ•˜๋„ค์š”, ๋กœ๋ž€.
03:09
But getting to that place of true dialogue is hard,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์ง„์ค‘ํ•œ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋กœ ๋‚˜์•„๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ธธ์€ ์–ด๋ ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:12
especially when we're talking about politics.
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๋”์šฑ์ด ์ฃผ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ •์น˜๋ผ๋ฉด์š”.
03:14
It is so easy to get emotionally fired up
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์—ด์„ฑ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ด€์—ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์ด์Šˆ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š”,
03:17
about issues that we're passionate about,
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๊ฐ์ •์ ์œผ๋กœ ํฅ๋ถ„ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‰ฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:19
and we can let our ego get in the way of truly hearing
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์ž์กด์‹ฌ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ƒ๋Œ€๋ฐฉ์˜ ์˜๊ฒฌ์„
03:22
the other person's perspective.
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๊ฒฝ์ฒญํ•  ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ๋†“์น˜๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•˜์ฃ .
03:24
And in this crazy political climate we're in right now,
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ํ˜„์žฌ์˜ ์ •์‹ ์—†๋Š” ์ •์น˜ ํ’ํ†  ์†์—์„œ๋Š”
03:26
unfortunately, we're seeing an extreme result
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์•ˆํƒ€๊น์ง€๋งŒ, ์—ด๋ค ์ •์น˜์  ํ† ๋ก ์ด ๊ทน๋‹จ์  ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋‚ณ๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:29
of those heated political conversations,
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03:32
to the point where people are willing to walk away from their relationships.
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์‹ฌ์ง€์–ด ์ฃผ์ €ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์ธ๊ฐ„๊ด€๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๋Š๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ์ด๋ฅด๋ €์ฃ .
03:36
In fact, Rasmussen released a poll earlier this year
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์—ฐ์ดˆ ๋ผ์Šค๋ฌด์„ผ์ด ๋ฐœํ‘œํ•œ ํ†ต๊ณ„์— ๋”ฐ๋ฅด๋ฉด
03:39
that said 40 percent of people reported that the 2016 election
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์„ค๋ฌธ ์‘๋‹ต์ž์˜ 40%๊ฐ€ 2016๋…„ ๋Œ€์„ ์ด
03:43
negatively impacted a personal relationship,
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์ž์‹ ์˜ ์ธ๊ฐ„๊ด€๊ณ„์— ๋ถ€์ •์ ์ธ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์ณค๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:46
and the Journal of Cognitive Neuroscience tells us
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์ธ์ง€์‹ ๊ฒฝ๊ณผํ•™์ง€๋Š”
03:49
that people tend to feel their way to their beliefs
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๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์ถ”๋ก  ๋Œ€์‹  ์ž์‹ ์˜ ๊ฐ์ •์˜ ์˜์กดํ•˜์—ฌ
03:52
rather than using reasoning,
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์‹ ๋…์„ ์Œ“๋Š”๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ง€์ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:54
and that when reason and emotion collide,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด์„ฑ๊ณผ ๊ฐ์ •์ด ์ถฉ๋Œํ•˜๋ฉด
03:57
it's emotion that invariably wins.
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์˜ˆ์™ธ ์—†์ด ๊ฐ์ •์ด ์ด๊ธด๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:59
So no wonder it's hard to talk about these issues.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ๋‹น์—ฐํžˆ ์ •์น˜๋ฅผ ๋‘๊ณ  ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ž€ ์–ด๋ ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:02
LA: And look, we're just two regular friends
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LA: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ‰๋ฒ”ํ•œ ์นœ๊ตฌ ์‚ฌ์ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:04
who happen to think very differently
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๋‹ค๋งŒ ์ •์น˜์™€ ์ •๋ถ€์˜ ์—ญํ• ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ
04:06
about politics and the role that government should play in our lives.
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์ •์น˜์  ๊ฒฌํ•ด๊ฐ€ ๋งค์šฐ ๋‹ค๋ฅผ ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:10
And I know we were all taught not to talk about politics
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์ •์น˜์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑด ์˜ˆ์˜๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฐฐ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค๋งŒ,
04:12
because it's not polite,
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04:14
but we need to be able to talk about it,
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์ •์น˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•  ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:16
because it's important to us and it's a part of who we are.
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์ •์น˜๋Š” ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์‚ฌ์•ˆ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
04:19
CQ: We have chosen to avoid political debate
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CQ: ์ •์น˜์ ์ธ ํ† ๋ก ์€ ํ”ผํ•˜๊ณ 
04:22
and instead engage in dialogue
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๋Œ€ํ™”์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ
04:24
in order to maintain what we fondly call
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'์–‘๋‹น์ฒด์ œ ์šฐ์ •'์ด๋ž€ ์• ์นญ์„ ๋ถ™์ธ
04:27
our bipartisan friendship.
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์นœ๊ตฌ ์‚ฌ์ด๋ฅผ ์œ ์ง€ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:28
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
04:30
LA: And this election and all of the craziness that has followed
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LA: ์ด๋ฒˆ ๋Œ€์„ ๊ณผ ๊ทธ ํ›„ํญํ’์€
04:33
has given us several opportunities to practice this skill.
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๋Œ€ํ™” ์ „๋žต์„ ๋ฐœํœ˜ํ•  ๋ช‡ ์ฐจ๋ก€ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์ฃผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:36
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
04:38
Let's start with January and the Women's March.
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1์›” ์—ฌ์„ฑ ํ–‰์ง„์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€ ๋ด…์‹œ๋‹ค.
04:40
At this point, you can probably guess which one of us participated.
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์ง€๊ธˆ์ฏค์ด๋ฉด ๋‘˜ ์ค‘์— ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ์ฐธ์—ฌํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์•„์‹ค ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:44
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
04:45
CQ: Oh, the Women's March.
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CQ: ์•„! ์—ฌ์„ฑ ํ–‰์ง„!
04:47
I was annoyed and irritated that entire day,
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์˜จ์ข…์ผ ์งœ์ฆ์ด ๋‚˜๊ณ  ๋งˆ์Œ์ด ๋ถˆํŽธํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
04:50
really because of two things.
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๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ด์œ ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:52
Number one, the name "Women's March."
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์ฒซ์งธ, ์—ฌ์„ฑ ํ–‰์ง„์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋ช…์นญ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:55
As a conservative woman,
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๋ณด์ˆ˜์  ์„ฑํ–ฅ์˜ ์—ฌ์„ฑ์œผ๋กœ,
04:56
the march's platform of issues didn't represent me,
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ํ–‰์ง„์ด ์ œ๊ธฐํ•œ ์‚ฌํšŒ์  ์ด์Šˆ๋Š” ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ๋Œ€๋ณ€ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:59
and that's OK,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„์š”.
05:00
but hearing it talked about as this demonstration of sisterhood
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์ด ์‹œ์œ„๊ฐ€ ๋ชจ๋“  ์—ฌ์„ฑ์˜ ๋™์ง€์• ์™€
05:03
and solidarity for all women
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์—ฌ์„ฑ์˜ ์—ฐ๋Œ€๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋ง์€
05:05
didn't ring true for me.
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๊ฐ€์Šด์— ์™€๋‹ฟ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:07
The other piece was the timing of the event,
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ํ–‰์ง„์ด ์—ด๋ฆฐ ์‹œ์ ๋„ ๋ฌธ์ œ์˜€์ฃ .
05:09
the fact that it was the day after the presidential inauguration.
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์—ฌ์„ฑ ํ–‰์ง„์ด ๋Œ€ํ†ต๋ น ์ทจ์ž„์‹ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๋‹ค์Œ ๋‚  ์—ด๋ ธ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์€,
05:12
It felt like we weren't even giving the new administration
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๋งˆ์น˜ ์ถœ๋ฒ”ํ•˜๋Š” ํ–‰์ •๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•˜๋“ 
05:15
to actually do anything, good or bad,
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์‹œ๋ฏผ๋“ค์ด ์‹œ์œ„๋ฅผ ๊ฐœ์ง„ํ•  ํ•„์š”๋ฅผ ๋Š๋ผ๊ธฐ๋„ ์ „์—
05:17
before people felt the need to demonstrate against it.
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์ž˜ํ•ด๋ณผ ๊ธฐํšŒ์กฐ์ฐจ ์ฃผ์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ ค๋Š” ๋“ฏ ๋ณด์˜€์ฃ .
05:20
LA: And under normal circumstances, I would agree with Caitlin.
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LA: ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด์—ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ์ผ€์ดํ‹€๋ฆฐ์˜ ๋ง์— ๋™์˜ํ–ˆ์„ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:23
I think an administration does deserve the benefit of the doubt.
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์ƒˆ ํ–‰์ •๋ถ€์— ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๊ธด ํ–ˆ์ฃ .
05:26
But in this case, I was marching to show my concern
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์ด๋ฒˆ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—”, ์—ฌ์„ฑ๊ณผ ์†Œ์ˆ˜์ž์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ
05:30
that a man with such a poor track record with women and other groups
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ํ˜•ํŽธ์—†๋Š” ์ด๋ ฅ์„ ์†Œ์œ ํ•œ ํ›„๋ณด๊ฐ€ ๋Œ€ํ†ต๋ น์œผ๋กœ ์„ ์ถœ๋œ ๋ฐ ๋Œ€ํ•œ
05:33
had been elected as president.
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์ œ ์šฐ๋ ค๋ฅผ ํ‘œ๋ช…ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:35
I had to be part of the collective voice
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๊ณต๋™์˜ ๋ชฉ์†Œ๋ฆฌ์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•˜์—ฌ
05:37
that wanted to send a clear message to the new president
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์ƒˆ ๋Œ€ํ†ต๋ น์—๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๋ณด์˜€๋˜ ํ–‰๋™๊ณผ ์ •์น˜์  ์ˆ˜์‚ฌ๊ฐ€
05:40
that we did not accept or condone
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์ˆ˜์šฉ๋˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์šฉ๋‚ฉ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š”
05:42
his behavior or rhetoric during the election.
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๋ถ„๋ช…ํ•œ ๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€๋ฅผ ์ „๋‹ฌํ•˜๊ณ ์ž ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:45
CQ: So I'm already feeling kind of aggravated,
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CQ: ์ด๋ฏธ ์ž”๋œฉ ํ™”๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์—์„œ,
05:48
and then I see this Facebook from Lauran pop up in my social media feed.
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๋กœ๋ž€์˜ ํŽ˜์ด์Šค๋ถ ๊ฒŒ์‹œ๋ฌผ์ด SNS ํ”ผ๋“œ์— ๋œจ๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
05:52
(Laughter)
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05:53
Seeing Lauran's sons at the march and holding signs
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
ํ”ผ์ผ“์„ ๋“ค๊ณ  ํ–‰์ง„ ์ค‘์ธ ๋กœ๋ž€์˜ ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ๋ณด์ž
05:57
took it to a new level for me, and not in a good way,
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์ด ์ผ์ด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ฐจ์›์˜ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋กœ ๋‹ค๊ฐ€์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก  ์•ˆ ์ข‹๊ฒŒ์š”.
06:00
because I know these boys,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•„์ฃผ ์ž˜ ์•„๋Š” ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด์—ˆ์š”.
06:02
I love these boys,
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์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„ํ–ˆ์ฃ .
06:03
and I didn't feel they were old enough
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ํ–‰์ง„์˜ ์˜๋ฏธ๋ฅผ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ธฐ์—๋Š”
06:05
to understand what the march stood for.
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์•„์ง ์–ด๋ฆฐ ๋‚˜์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ๋“ค์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
06:07
I didn't understand why Lauran would choose
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๋กœ๋ž€์ด ๋„๋Œ€์ฒด ์™œ ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ํ–‰์ง„์— ๋ฐ๋ ค๊ฐ”๋Š”์ง€ ์ดํ•ดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์—ˆ์ฃ .
06:09
to have them participate in that way,
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06:11
and I assumed it wasn't a choice that the boys made for themselves.
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์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ์ž์˜๋กœ ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ง์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:14
But I also know Lauran.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ „ ๋กœ๋ž€์„ ์ž˜ ์•Œ๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
06:17
You're an incredible mom
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ •๋ง ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ์—„๋งˆ๊ณ 
06:18
who would never exploit your boys in any way,
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์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ๊ฒฐ์ฝ” ์ด์šฉํ•  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
06:20
so I had to stop and check myself.
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์ž ๊น ๋ฉˆ์ถ”์–ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ์ •๋ฆฌํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
06:22
I had a decision to make.
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๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ๋‚ด๋ ค์•ผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:24
I could take the easy way out
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์‰ฌ์šด ๊ธธ์„ ํƒํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
06:26
and just choose not to say anything to her,
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์•„๋ฌด ๋ง๋„ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ ,
06:28
and instead just kind of simmer in my frustration,
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๋ถ€๊ธ€๋ถ€๊ธ€ ์†์•“์ด๋งŒ ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
06:31
or I could ask her to learn more about her motivations.
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋กœ๋ž€์—๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ ์ด์œ ๋ฅผ ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์ฃ .
06:35
LA: And I shared with Caitlin
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LA: ์ผ€์ดํ‹€๋ฆฐ๊ณผ ๊ทธ ์ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:36
that we actually started talking about the March
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ–‰์ง„์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•˜๊ธฐ ํ›จ์”ฌ ์ „๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
06:38
weeks before we participated.
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06:40
And my boys were curious as to why the event was being organized,
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์•„์ด๋“ค์€ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ํ–‰์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์™œ ์—ด๋ฆฌ๋Š”์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ดํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
06:43
and this led to some very interesting family conversations.
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์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ๊ฐ€์กฑ ๊ฐ„์˜ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋กœ ์ด์–ด์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:47
We talked about how in this country, we have the right and the privilege
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์ด ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ๋Š”, ๋™์˜ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์‚ฌํ•ญ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด
06:50
to demonstrate against something we don't agree with,
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๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋‚˜ ์‹œ์œ„ํ•  ๊ถŒ๋ฆฌ์™€ ํŠน๊ถŒ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์„ค๋ช…ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:53
and my husband shared with them why he thought it was so important
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๋‚จํŽธ์€ ์™œ ๋‚จ์„ฑ๋“ค์˜ ์ฐธ์—ฌ๊ฐ€ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„
06:56
that men joined the Women's March.
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์•„์ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•ด์ฃผ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
06:58
But the most significant reason we marched as a family
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์ด ํ–‰์ง„ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์ด์œ ๋Š”
07:01
is that it was a way for us to honor my parents' legacy.
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๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์ด ๋ฌผ๋ ค์ฃผ์‹  ์œ ์‚ฐ์— ๊ฒฝ์˜๋ฅผ ํ‘œํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:05
They spent their careers
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๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์€ ํ‰์ƒ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ทจ์•ฝํ•œ ๊ณ„์ธต์˜ ์ธ๊ถŒ ๋ณดํ˜ธ์— ํž˜์“ฐ์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:06
working to defend the rights of some of our most vulnerable citizens,
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07:10
and they passed these values down to me and my brother,
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๊ทธ ์‚ถ์˜ ๊ฐ€์น˜๋ฅผ ์ €์™€ ๋‚จ๋™์ƒ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌผ๋ ค์ฃผ์…จ์–ด์š”.
07:13
and we want to do the same with our sons.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋„ ์•„๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:15
CQ: After talking to Lauran,
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CQ: ๋กœ๋ž€๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋‹ˆ,
07:16
I really understood not only why she felt it was so important to march,
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๋กœ๋ž€์—๊ฒŒ ํ–‰์ง„ ์ฐธ์—ฌ๊ฐ€ ์™œ ์ค‘์š”ํ–ˆ๊ณ 
07:20
but why she had her boys with her.
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์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ์™œ ๋™ํ–‰ํ•˜์˜€๋Š”์ง€ ์ดํ•ดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:22
And frankly, my assumptions were wrong.
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์†”์งํžˆ, ์ œ ์ง์ž‘์€ ํ‹€๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:24
It was the boys who wanted to march
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๊ฐ€์กฑ ๊ฐ„ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์•„์ด๋“ค ์Šค์Šค๋กœ ๋‚ด๋ฆฐ ๊ฒฐ์ •์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:26
after they talked about the issues as a family.
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07:29
But what's most important about this example
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์ ์€,
07:31
is to think about the alternative.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์„ ํƒ์„ ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ์˜ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:33
Had Lauran and I not talked about it,
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๋กœ๋ž€๊ณผ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค๋ฉด
07:34
I would have been annoyed with her,
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์ œ ๋งˆ์Œ์† ํ™”๋Š” ํ’€๋ฆฌ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์„ ํ…Œ๊ณ ,
07:36
and it could have resulted in an undercurrent of disrespect
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๊ทธ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์šฐ์ •์— ์‹ค๋ก€๋ฅผ ๋ฒ”ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:39
in our friendship.
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07:40
But by asking Lauran questions, it allowed us to use dialogue
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๋Œ€์‹  ๋กœ๋ž€์—๊ฒŒ ์งˆ๋ฌธํ•จ์œผ๋กœ์จ ๋Œ€ํ™”์˜ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์–ป์—ˆ์ฃ .
07:43
to get to a place of true understanding.
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์„œ๋กœ๋ฅผ ์ œ๋Œ€๋กœ ์ดํ•ดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
07:46
Now, to be clear,
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ํ•œ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ํ•˜์ž๋ฉด,
07:47
our conversation didn't really change my mind about how I felt about the March,
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๊ทธ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋กœ ์—ฌ์„ฑ ํ–‰์ง„์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ œ ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด ๋ฐ”๋€ ๊ฑด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:51
but it absolutely changed my thinking around why she brought her boys with her.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ๋ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ–‰์ง„ํ•œ ๋กœ๋ž€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์€ ๋ณ€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:55
And for both of us, that dialogue allowed us to understand
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋‘ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ, ๋Œ€ํ™”๋Š” ํ–‰์ง„์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ
07:58
each other's perspective about the Women's March
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์„œ๋กœ์˜ ์ž…์žฅ์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณ„๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:01
even though we disagreed.
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์„œ๋กœ ์ด๊ฒฌ์€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ์š”.
08:03
LA: The second topic that challenged our ability to engage in dialogue
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LA: ๋Œ€ํ™”์˜ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์‚ฌ๊ฑด์€
08:06
was around my need to understand
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ํŠธ๋Ÿผํ”„์—๊ฒŒ ํˆฌํ‘œํ•œ ์ผ€์ดํ‹€๋ฆฐ์„
08:08
how Caitlin could vote for Trump.
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์ดํ•ดํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์ฃ .
08:11
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
08:17
Caitlin is a successful professional woman
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์ผ€์ดํ‹€๋ฆฐ์€ ์„ฑ๊ณตํ•œ ์ „๋ฌธ์ง ์—ฌ์„ฑ์œผ๋กœ
08:20
who is deeply caring and compassionate,
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์‚ฌ๋ ค์‹ฌ์ด ๊นŠ๊ณ  ๋Š˜ ๋ฐฐ๋ คํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:23
and the Caitlin I know
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋Š” ์ผ€์ดํ‹€๋ฆฐ์€
08:24
would never excuse any man from talking about women
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๋Œ€์„  ์บ ํŽ˜์ธ ๋™์•ˆ ํŠธ๋Ÿผํ”„๊ฐ€ ํ–ˆ๋˜ ์—ฌ์„ฑ๋น„ํ•˜๋ฅผ
08:27
the way that Trump did during the campaign.
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์šฉ๋‚ฉํ•  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:30
It was hard for me to reconcile these two things in my mind.
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์ด ๋ถ€์กฐํ™”๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ด๊ธฐ ์–ด๋ ค์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:33
How could you overlook the things that were said?
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๊ทธ์˜ ๋ฐœ์–ธ์„ ๋“ฃ๊ณ ๋„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ฌต๊ณผํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์ฃ ?
08:36
CQ: So I'm guessing I may not be the only one here that thought
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CQ: ์ž‘๋…„ ๋Œ€์„ ์˜ ์„ ํƒ์ง€๊ฐ€ ํƒ์›”ํ•˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค๊ณ 
08:39
we didn't have the best choices for the presidential election last year.
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๋Š๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฑด ์ € ํ˜ผ์ž๋Š” ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ฒ ์ฃ .
08:43
(Laughter)
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08:44
The Republican candidate who I did support didn't make it out of the primary,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ง€์ง€ํ•œ ๊ณตํ™”๋‹น ํ›„๋ณด๋Š” ๋‹น ๊ฒฝ์„ ์—์„œ ๋‚™์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:48
so when it came time to vote, I had a decision to make.
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ํˆฌํ‘œํ•  ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์ด ์™”์„ ๋•Œ ๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ๋‚ด๋ ค์•ผ ํ–ˆ์ฃ .
08:51
And you're right, there were some terrible things
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๋‹น์‹  ๋ง์ด ๋งž์•„์š”. ํŠธ๋Ÿผํ”„๋Š” ๋Œ€์„  ์บ ํŽ˜์ธ ๋™์•ˆ
08:53
that came out during the Trump campaign,
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๋”์ฐํ•œ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋„ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
08:56
so much so that I almost decided to just abstain
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์ €๋Š” ๋Œ€์„  ํˆฌํ‘œ๋ฅผ ํฌ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ 
08:58
rather than voting for president,
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๊ธฐ๊ถŒํ‘œ๋ฅผ ๋˜์งˆ ์ƒ๊ฐ๋„ ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
09:00
something I had never even considered doing before.
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์ „์—๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณธ ์  ์—†๋˜ ์ผ์ด์ฃ .
09:02
But ultimately, I did vote for Donald Trump,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ, ๋„๋„๋“œ ํŠธ๋Ÿผํ”„์—๊ฒŒ ํˆฌํ‘œํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:05
and for me it was really a vote for party over person,
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์ œ๊ฒŒ๋Š” ํ›„๋ณด๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ๋‹น์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ํˆฌํ‘œ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:08
especially recognizing how important that presidential pick is
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๋Œ€ํ†ต๋ น ์„ ์ถœ์ด ์‚ฌ๋ฒ•๋ถ€์— ๋ฏธ์น˜๋Š”
09:12
on influencing our judicial branch.
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์˜ํ–ฅ๋ ฅ์ด ํฌ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ์—ผ๋‘์— ๋‘์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
09:15
But I shared with Lauran it was a decision I really wrestled with,
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๋กœ๋ž€์—๊ฒŒ๋„ ํž˜๋“ค๊ฒŒ ๋‚ด๋ฆฐ ๊ฒฐ์ •์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์ฃ .
09:18
and not one that I made lightly.
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์ ˆ๋Œ€ ๊ฐ€๋ฒผ์šด ๊ฒฐ์ •์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
09:20
LA: And so after our conversation, I was struck by a few things.
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LA: ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆˆ ํ›„, ๋ช‡๊ฐ€์ง€๋กœ ์ถฉ๊ฒฉ์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:24
First, I had fallen victim to my own confirmation bias.
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์ฒซ์งธ, ์ €๋Š” ํ™•์ฆ ํŽธํ–ฅ์— ๋น ์ ธ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
09:27
Because of my strong feelings about Trump,
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ํŠธ๋Ÿผํ”„์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฐ•ํ•œ ๋ฐ˜๊ฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
09:30
I had given all Trump voters the same attributes,
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ํŠธ๋Ÿผํ”„ ์ง€์ง€์ž๋Š” ๋˜‘๊ฐ™์€ ์ž์งˆ์„ ๊ฐ€์กŒ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์น˜๋ถ€ํ–ˆ์ฃ .
09:32
and none of them forgiving.
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๊ทธ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋„ ์šฉ์„œํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:34
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
09:35
But knowing Caitlin, I started to ask questions.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ผ€์ดํ‹€๋ฆฐ์„ ์ž˜ ์•Œ๊ธฐ์—, ์Šค์Šค๋กœ ์งˆ๋ฌธํ•ด์•ผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:39
What were Trump voters really concerned about?
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ํŠธ๋Ÿผํ”„ ์ง€์ง€์ž๋“ค์ด ์—ผ๋ คํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ผ๊นŒ?
09:42
Under all the divisive language, what was really going on?
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๋ถ„์—ด์„ ์ผ์œผํ‚ค๋Š” ๋ง ์ด๋ฉด์— ์–ด๋–ค ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์„๊นŒ?
09:46
What could we learn about ourselves and our country
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์ด ๋ง๋„ ์•ˆ ๋˜๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์—์„œ
09:48
from this unlikely event?
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๊ตญ๊ฐ€์™€ ์‹œ๋ฏผ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ?
09:51
I also learned that we shared a deep disappointment in this election,
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๋ณด์ˆ˜ ์ง„๋ณด ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋Œ€์„ ์— ํฌ๊ฒŒ ์‹ค๋งํ•˜์˜€๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค๊ณผ
09:55
and that we have growing concerns about our two-party political system.
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์–‘๋‹น ์ •์น˜ ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์šฐ๋ ค๊ฐ€ ์ปค์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑธ ํ™•์ธํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:59
But the most important thing about this conversation
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜, ์ด ๋Œ€ํ™”์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์ ์€
10:02
is that it happened at all.
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๋Œ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š”๋ฐ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
10:04
Without an open and honest dialogue between the two of us,
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์†”์งํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งˆ์Œ์„ ์—ด๊ณ  ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค๋ฉด
10:08
this election would have been the elephant in the room
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'๋Œ€์„ '์€ ํ–ฅํ›„ 4๋…„๊ฐ„ ๋ฐฉ ์•ˆ์˜ ์ฝ”๋ผ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋  ๋ป”ํ–ˆ์ฃ .
10:10
for the next four years, pun intended.
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์ œ ์œ ๋จธ๋ฅผ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜์…จ๋‚˜์š”? (์ฝ”๋ผ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฏธ ๊ณตํ™”๋‹น์˜ ์ƒ์ง•)
10:13
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
10:18
CQ: So, look --
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CQ: ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
10:19
(Applause)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
10:21
So, look -- we know it takes work to get past the difficult,
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๋„ค, ์‚ฌํšŒ์  ์ด์Šˆ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋Š”
10:24
frustrating and sometimes emotional parts
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๊ฐ์ •์ ์œผ๋กœ๋„ ํž˜๋“ค๊ณ  ์ขŒ์ ˆ๊ฐ์„ ์ค„ ๋•Œ๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:27
of having discussions about issues like the Women's March
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์—ฌ์„ฑ ํ–‰์ง„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋…ผํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
10:30
or why your friend may have voted for a candidate that you can't stand.
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๊ฒฌ๋”œ ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š” ํ›„๋ณด์—๊ฒŒ ํˆฌํ‘œํ•œ ์นœ๊ตฌ์™€ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋Š” ์–ด๋ ต์ฃ .
10:35
But we need to have these conversations.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋Œ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:37
Our ability to move past political debate
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์ •์น˜์  ํ† ๋ก ์„ ๋„˜์–ด์„œ
10:39
into true dialogue
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์ง„์ •ํ•œ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
10:41
is a critical skill we should all be focused on right now,
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์ง€๊ธˆ ๋‹น์žฅ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:44
especially with the people that we care about the most.
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ํŠนํžˆ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ์š”.
10:47
LA: And it's not just as adults that we need to bottle this behavior.
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LA: ์–ด๋ฅธ์˜ ์ž์„ธ์ด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ,
10:51
It's critical that we do it for our children as well.
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์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ๋„ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:54
My sons were inundated with this election.
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์•„์ด๋“ค์€ ๋Œ€์„  ๋™์•ˆ ๋งŽ์€ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์–ด์š”.
10:56
We were listening to the news in the morning,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•„์นจ์—๋„ ๋‰ด์Šค๋ฅผ ๋“ค์—ˆ๊ณ 
10:58
and they were having conversations with their friends at school.
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์•„์ด๋“ค์€ ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ–ˆ์ฃ .
11:02
I was concerned that they were picking up so much polarizing misinformation,
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ํŽธํ–ฅ๋œ ์ •๋ณด๋งŒ์„ ๋“ค์„๊นŒ ๋ด ๊ฑฑ์ •๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:06
and they were growing really fearful of a Trump presidency.
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์•„์ด๋“ค์€ ํŠธ๋Ÿผํ”„๊ฐ€ ๋Œ€ํ†ต๋ น์ด ๋ ๊นŒ ๋ด ๋‘๋ ค์›Œํ–ˆ์ฃ .
11:10
Then one day, after the election, I was taking my sons to school,
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๋Œ€์„ ์ด ๋๋‚œ ์–ด๋Š ๋“ฑ๊ตฃ๊ธธ์—
11:15
and my younger son, completely out of the blue,
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์ž‘์€ ์•„๋“ค์ด ๋œฌ๊ธˆ์—†์ด ๋ฌผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:17
said, "Mom, we don't know anybody who voted for Trump, right?"
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"์—„๋งˆ. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ฃผ๋ณ€์— ํŠธ๋Ÿผํ”„ ๋ฝ‘์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ ์—†์ง€์š”?"
11:22
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
11:25
And I paused and I took a deep breath.
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๊นŠ๊ฒŒ ์ˆจ์„ ๋“ค์ด์‰ฌ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
11:30
"Yes, we do."
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"์žˆ์–ด."
11:31
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
11:32
"The Quattromanis."
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"์ฝฐํŠธ๋กœ๋งˆ๋‹ˆ ๊ฐ€์กฑ"
11:33
And his response was so great.
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์•„๋“ค์˜ ๋Œ€๋‹ต์ด ๋ฉ‹์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:35
He kind of got this confused look on his face, and he said ...
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์กฐ๊ธˆ ํ˜ผ๋ž€์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ํ‘œ์ •์„ ์ง“๋”๋‹ˆ ๋งํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
11:39
"But we love them."
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"๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ถ„๋“ค์„ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•˜์ž–์•„์š”."
11:40
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
11:43
And I answered, "Yes, we do."
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๋Œ€๋‹ตํ–ˆ์ฃ , "์‘. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€"
11:45
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
11:46
And then he said, "Why would they vote for him?"
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฌผ์—ˆ์ฃ . "์™œ ํŠธ๋Ÿผํ”„๋ฅผ ๋ฝ‘์•˜๋ฐ์š”?"
11:50
And I remember stopping and thinking
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๋ฉˆ์ถฐ์„œ์„œ ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:51
that it was really important how I answered this question.
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์ด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ์ œ๋Œ€๋กœ ๋Œ€๋‹ตํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
11:55
Somehow, I had to honor our own family values
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์ด ๋ฏฟ๋Š” ๊ฐ€์น˜์™€
11:58
and show respect for our friends.
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์นœ๊ตฌ์˜ ๊ฐ€์น˜๋ฅผ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์กด์ค‘ํ•ด์•ผ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
12:00
So I finally said,
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์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:02
"They think that's the right direction for this country."
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"์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋‚˜๋ผ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ์˜ณ์€ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹ ๋‹จ๋‹ค"
12:04
And before I had even gotten the whole sentence out,
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์ œ ๋ง์ด ๋‹ค ๋๋‚˜๊ธฐ ์ „์—
12:07
he had moved on to the soccer game he was going to play at recess.
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์•„์ด๋Š” ์‰ฌ๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์— ํ•  ์ถ•๊ตฌ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
12:10
CQ: So life with boys.
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CQ: ์•„๋“ค์€ ํ‚ค์šฐ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ .
12:12
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
12:13
So what Lauran and I have discovered through our bipartisan friendship
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ '์–‘๋‹น์ฒด์ œ ์šฐ์ •'์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์–ป์€ ๊ตํ›ˆ์€ ๋Œ€ํ™”์˜ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:16
is the possibility that lives in dialogue.
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12:19
We have chosen to be genuinely curious
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์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์„œ๋กœ์˜ ์‚ฌ์ƒ๊ณผ ๊ด€์ ์—
12:21
about each other's ideas and perspectives
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์ง„์‹คํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ˜ธ๊ธฐ์‹ฌ์„ ๋Š๋ผ๋ฉฐ,
12:24
and to be willing to listen to one another even when we disagree.
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๋™์˜ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„๋„ ์ƒ๋Œ€๋ฐฉ์˜ ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ๊ฒฝ์ฒญํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:28
And by putting aside our ego and our preconceived ideas,
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์ž์กด์‹ฌ๊ณผ ์„ ์ž…๊ฒฌ์„ ๋‚ด๋ ค๋†“๊ณ 
12:31
we've opened ourselves up to limitless learning.
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๋ฌดํ•œํ•œ ๋ฐฐ์›€์˜ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์— ๋งˆ์Œ์„ ์—ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:34
And perhaps most importantly for our relationship,
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์ด ๊ด€๊ณ„์— ์žˆ์–ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€
12:37
we have made the commitment to each other
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์•ฝ์†์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:39
that our friendship is way more important
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์šฐ์ •์„ ๋” ์ค‘์š”์‹œ ํ•˜๊ฒ ๋‹ค๋Š” ์•ฝ์†์ด์ฃ .
12:42
than either of us being right or winning a conversation about politics.
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์ •์น˜ ๋Œ€ํ™”์—์„œ ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ์˜ณ๊ณ , ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ์ด๊ธฐ๊ณ  ์ง€๋Š๋ƒ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:47
So today, we're asking you to have a conversation.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋„ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„์‹œ๊ธธ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:50
Talk to someone outside of your political party
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๊ณผ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ๋‹ฌ๋ฆฌํ•˜๋Š”
12:52
who might challenge your thinking.
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์ง€์ง€ ์ •๋‹น ๋ฐ–์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ๋งŒ๋‚˜ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
12:54
Make an effort to engage with someone
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ํ‰์†Œ๋ผ๋ฉด ์ •์น˜์ ์ธ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ํ”ผํ–ˆ์„
12:56
with whom you might typically avoid a political conversation.
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์ƒ๋Œ€์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ด ๋ณด์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
12:59
But remember, the goal isn't to win,
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๋‹จ, ์žŠ์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”. ์ด๊ธฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ชฉ์ ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:01
the goal is to listen and to understand
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๋ชฉ์ ์€ ๊ฒฝ์ฒญํ•˜๊ณ  ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ณ ,
13:04
and to be open to learning something new.
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์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š”๋ฐ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:07
LA: So let's go back to election night.
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LA: ๋Œ€์„  ํˆฌํ‘œ์ผ ๋ฐค์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐˆ๊ฒŒ์š”.
13:09
As the polls were closing
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๊ฐœํ‘œ๊ฐ€ ๋งˆ๊ฐ๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ ,
13:11
and it became clear that Trump was going to be our new president,
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ํŠธ๋Ÿผํ”„์˜ ๋Œ€ํ†ต๋ น ๋‹น์„ ์ด ์œ ๋ ฅํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:14
I was devastated.
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์ €๋Š” ์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ ์ถฉ๊ฒฉ์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์–ด์š”.
13:16
I was sad, I was confused,
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์ŠฌํŽ๊ณ  ํ˜ผ๋ž€์Šค๋Ÿฌ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:19
and I'll be honest -- I was angry.
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์†”์งํžˆ, ํ™”๊ฐ€ ๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:21
And then just before midnight,
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์ž์ • ์ง์ „
13:23
I received this text message from Caitlin.
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์ผ€์ดํ‹€๋ฆฐ์—๊ฒŒ์„œ ๋ฌธ์ž ํ•œ ํ†ต์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:25
[I know this is a hard night for you guys.
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[์ •๋ง ํž˜๋“  ๋ฐค์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ ์•Œ์•„์š”.
13:29
We are thinking of you. Love you.]
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”.]
13:32
And where there so easy could have been weeks or months of awkwardness
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๋ช‡ ์ฃผ, ๋ช‡ ๋‹ฌ๊ฐ„ ์–ด์ƒ‰ํ•จ๊ณผ
13:36
and unspoken hostility, there was this --
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๋ฌด์–ธ์˜ ์ ๋Œ€์‹ฌ์ด ๊ฐ๋Œ๋ป”ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์ž๊ฐ€ ์™”์–ด์š”.
13:40
an offering of empathy rooted in friendship.
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์šฐ์ •์—์„œ ์ถœ๋ฐœํ•œ ๊ณต๊ฐ์˜ ๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:43
And I knew, in that moment, that we would make it through this.
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๊ทธ๋•Œ ์•Œ์•˜์ฃ . ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด ์œ„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ทน๋ณตํ•ด๋‚ผ ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ ์š”.
13:47
CQ: So we must find a way to engage in meaningful conversations
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CQ: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์˜๋ฏธ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆŒ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ์ฐพ์•„์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:51
that are going to move us forward as a nation,
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๊ตญ๋ฏผ์ด ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋‚˜์•„๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก์š”.
13:53
and we can no longer wait
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์„ ์ถœํ•œ ๊ณต๋ฌด์›์ด
13:54
for our elected officials to elevate our national discourse.
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๋ฒ”๊ตญ๋ฏผ์  ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ํ•ด๊ฒฐํ•ด์ฃผ๋ฆฌ๋ผ ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:58
LA: The challenges ahead are going to require all of us
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LA: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•ž์— ๋†“์ธ ๋„์ „๊ณผ์ œ๋ฅผ ํ•ด๊ฒฐํ•˜๋ ค๋ฉด,
14:02
to participate in a deeper and more meaningful way ...
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๋” ๊นŠ์ด ์žˆ๊ณ  ์˜๋ฏธ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋‘์˜ ์ฐธ์—ฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:05
and it starts with each one of us
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๊ฐœ๊ฐœ์ธ์˜ ๋…ธ๋ ฅ์ด ๊ทธ ์ถœ๋ฐœ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:08
building connection through dialogue --
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๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ๊ฐœ์ธ์˜ ์ธ๊ฐ„๊ด€๊ณ„,
14:10
in our relationships, our communities
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and as a country.
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Thank you.
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๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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