Hod Lipson: Robots that are "self-aware"

117,286 views ・ 2007-10-13

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翻译人员: Qing Zhang 校对人员: Yongming Luo
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So, where are the robots?
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啊,机器人们都在哪儿呢?
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We've been told for 40 years already that they're coming soon.
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四十年前人们就说它们很快就要来了
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Very soon they'll be doing everything for us.
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很快,它们就能为我们做一切事情
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They'll be cooking, cleaning, buying things, shopping, building. But they aren't here.
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它们会做饭,打扫,买东西,购物,甚至是建房子。但直到今天,它们也没能进入我们的生活。
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Meanwhile, we have illegal immigrants doing all the work,
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这段时间里,非法移民承担着这些工作,
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but we don't have any robots.
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但我们什么机器人都没有。
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So what can we do about that? What can we say?
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我们又能做些或说些什么呢?
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So I want to give a little bit of a different perspective
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我想给大家带来点不同的启发
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of how we can perhaps look at these things in a little bit of a different way.
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看看今天我们能不能换一个角度看待这些事情
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And this is an x-ray picture
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这是一张X光片
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of a real beetle, and a Swiss watch, back from '88. You look at that --
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上面有一只活甲虫,和一只88年的瑞士手表,你看——
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what was true then is certainly true today.
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无论是当时还是现在
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We can still make the pieces. We can make the right pieces.
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我们都可以做出这些零件,一模一样的零件,
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We can make the circuitry of the right computational power,
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我们能做出有同样计算能力的电路,
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but we can't actually put them together to make something
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但我们并不能把它们放在一起,再做出个什么东西
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that will actually work and be as adaptive as these systems.
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能和这些系统(甲虫)有一样的适应力。
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So let's try to look at it from a different perspective.
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那么就让我们试着换个角度再看看这个问题。
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Let's summon the best designer, the mother of all designers.
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让我们召集最好的设计师,所有设计师的鼻祖,
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Let's see what evolution can do for us.
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看看进化论能给我们做些什么。
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So we threw in -- we created a primordial soup
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所以我们就找来了--我们创造了一锅“原汤”,
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with lots of pieces of robots -- with bars, with motors, with neurons.
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里面有组装机器人需要的各种零件:条状的,带马达的,还有些带神经元的。
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Put them all together, and put all this under kind of natural selection,
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把它们都放在一起,然后把所有这些放到一种自然选择,
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under mutation, and rewarded things for how well they can move forward.
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可能产生突变的环境中,并奖励那些发生“进化”的零件组。
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A very simple task, and it's interesting to see what kind of things came out of that.
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这是一个非常简单的任务,并且得出的结果非常有趣。
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So if you look, you can see a lot of different machines
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看一下,你能看到各式各样的机器
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come out of this. They all move around.
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在这种模式下制造出来,它们到处移动,
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They all crawl in different ways, and you can see on the right,
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以不同的方式爬行,在右边你可以看到
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that we actually made a couple of these things,
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我们真的做出了几个这样的玩意儿,
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and they work in reality. These are not very fantastic robots,
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它们在现实中真的能工作。这些还算不上非常先进的机器人,
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but they evolved to do exactly what we reward them for:
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但它们的确按照我们奖励的方向进化了:
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for moving forward. So that was all done in simulation,
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那就是向前进化。这些都是模拟的,
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but we can also do that on a real machine.
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但我们在真的机器上也做成功了,
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Here's a physical robot that we actually
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这是一个真实的机器人,
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have a population of brains,
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我们动用了大量的人力脑力
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competing, or evolving on the machine.
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让机器们相互竞争,共同进化
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It's like a rodeo show. They all get a ride on the machine,
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这有点像一场套马表演:他们都骑在机器上
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and they get rewarded for how fast or how far
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根据他们能够驾驶机器前进的速度和距离
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they can make the machine move forward.
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得到奖励
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And you can see these robots are not ready
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你可以看到这些机器人都还没完全准备好
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to take over the world yet, but
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占领这个世界,但是
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they gradually learn how to move forward,
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它们渐渐地学会如何前进
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and they do this autonomously.
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并且是自发地学习。
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So in these two examples, we had basically
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所以从这两个例子中,我们已经基本上
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machines that learned how to walk in simulation,
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得到了能在虚拟中学习走路
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and also machines that learned how to walk in reality.
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和在现实中学习走路的机器人。
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But I want to show you a different approach,
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现在我还要再给你们展示另一项进展,
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and this is this robot over here, which has four legs.
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就是这里的这个机器人,在这儿,它有四条腿
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It has eight motors, four on the knees and four on the hip.
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它身上安了八个马达,膝盖上四个,腿上四个
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It has also two tilt sensors that tell the machine
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它还配备了两个倾斜度传感器,可以告诉自己
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which way it's tilting.
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正在向哪个方向倾斜。
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But this machine doesn't know what it looks like.
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但这个机器并不知道自己长啥样
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You look at it and you see it has four legs,
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你可以看到它长了四条腿,
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the machine doesn't know if it's a snake, if it's a tree,
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但它自己并不知道自己是一条蛇还是一棵树
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it doesn't have any idea what it looks like,
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它完全给蒙在鼓里,不晓得自己的相貌
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but it's going to try to find that out.
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但它马上就要试着找到自己
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Initially, it does some random motion,
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首先,它会做一些随机的动作
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and then it tries to figure out what it might look like.
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然后试着弄清楚那些动作都看起来是什么样子的——
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And you're seeing a lot of things passing through its minds,
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你可以看到它的脑海里闪过许许多多的东西,
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a lot of self-models that try to explain the relationship
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大量的自我尝试的动作模型,试着理清
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between actuation and sensing. It then tries to do
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行动和感官之间的关系——然后它将再做第二个动作
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a second action that creates the most disagreement
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在所有可能的动作模型中
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among predictions of these alternative models,
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最诡异的一个动作,
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like a scientist in a lab. Then it does that
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就像科学家在实验室里的试验。接着,它重复那个动作,
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and tries to explain that, and prune out its self-models.
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并且试着解释那个动作,然后梳理出自己的动作模型。
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This is the last cycle, and you can see it's pretty much
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这是最后一个环节,你可以看到它已经基本上
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figured out what its self looks like. And once it has a self-model,
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清楚自己的样子了。一旦它理清自己的动作模型,
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it can use that to derive a pattern of locomotion.
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就可以从模型中得出一种运动模式。
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So what you're seeing here are a couple of machines --
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好了,你现在看到的是几个机器——
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a pattern of locomotion.
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嗯,一种运动模式,
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We were hoping that it wass going to have a kind of evil, spidery walk,
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我们期待它能产生一种邪恶的,蜘蛛式的运动,
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but instead it created this pretty lame way of moving forward.
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结果它却自创出这种相当脑残的前进方式。
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But when you look at that, you have to remember
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但当你看着它前进的时候,你必须记得
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that this machine did not do any physical trials on how to move forward,
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这个机器并没有接受任何物理指令,控制着它们向前进,
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nor did it have a model of itself.
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它也没有任何已有的自我模型。
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It kind of figured out what it looks like, and how to move forward,
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它相当于是自己推理出了自己的样子,以及应该如何向前进
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and then actually tried that out.
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并且进行了亲身的尝试。
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(Applause)
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鼓掌~~~♫
04:31
So, we'll move forward to a different idea.
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那么现在,我们再来看看另一个想法。
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So that was what happened when we had a couple of --
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那是我们将几个...
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that's what happened when you had a couple of -- OK, OK, OK --
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把几个...放在一块儿就会...好啦好啦好啦——
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(Laughter)
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(笑)
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-- they don't like each other. So
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——它们不大喜欢对方,所以啦~
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there's a different robot.
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这是另外一个机器人。
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That's what happened when the robots actually
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刚才的那些都是在机器人做对了动作,
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are rewarded for doing something.
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获得奖励的情况下发生的。
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What happens if you don't reward them for anything, you just throw them in?
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那么如果我们不给它们奖励,只是把它们扔到一块,又会怎么样呢?
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So we have these cubes, like the diagram showed here.
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所以我们拿来了这些立方体,就像这里的这些图,
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The cube can swivel, or flip on its side,
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它们能旋转,或者翻筋斗
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and we just throw 1,000 of these cubes into a soup --
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我们把1000个这样的立方体放入“原汤”——
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this is in simulation --and don't reward them for anything,
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这是模拟效果——我们没给它们任何奖励,
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we just let them flip. We pump energy into this
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我们就让它们自己活动。我们给它们注入了些能量,
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and see what happens in a couple of mutations.
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看看经过几次突变,会发生点什么。
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So, initially nothing happens, they're just flipping around there.
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刚开始的时候,什么也没发生,它们光在那儿跳来跳去。
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But after a very short while, you can see these blue things
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但过了一小会儿,你可以看到这些蓝色的小东西,
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on the right there begin to take over.
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它们在右边逐渐地开始占取主动。
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They begin to self-replicate. So in absence of any reward,
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它们开始自我复制。由此可见即使没有任何奖励
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the intrinsic reward is self-replication.
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它们也会用自我复制的方式来奖励自己。
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And we've actually built a couple of these,
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事实上我们已经造了好几个这类的玩意儿,
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and this is part of a larger robot made out of these cubes.
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这是一部分以这些立方体为单位造出来的大机器人,
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It's an accelerated view, where you can see the robot actually
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这是快进的效果,可以让你看到机器人
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carrying out some of its replication process.
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进行自我复制的过程。
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So you're feeding it with more material -- cubes in this case --
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如果你给它多喂点儿——就是这些立方体——
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and more energy, and it can make another robot.
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再多给它点能量,它就能自己造出另一个机器人。
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So of course, this is a very crude machine,
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当然,这还是一个非常粗糙,不成熟的机器,
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but we're working on a micro-scale version of these,
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但我们正在研究微缩版的这类机器人,
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and hopefully the cubes will be like a powder that you pour in.
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希望这些立方体能小到像倒出的面粉一般。
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OK, so what can we learn? These robots are of course
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好的,那么我们都了解到了什么?这些机器人当然
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not very useful in themselves, but they might teach us something
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自己并不是有很大用处,但它们能教会我们一些东西,
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about how we can build better robots,
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让我们知道如何造出更好的机器人,
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and perhaps how humans, animals, create self-models and learn.
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甚至是人类,动物创造自我模型和学习机制的原理。
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And one of the things that I think is important
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我觉得这其中最重要的,
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is that we have to get away from this idea
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就是我们必须摒弃之前的观念,
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of designing the machines manually,
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手动地设计这些机器
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but actually let them evolve and learn, like children,
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而是让它们自己进化,学习,像孩子一样,
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and perhaps that's the way we'll get there. Thank you.
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这大概才是我们成功的必经之路。谢谢!
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(Applause)
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(鼓掌♫)
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