How to resolve racially stressful situations | Howard C. Stevenson

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翻译人员: Tianchao Shen 校对人员: Rui Cao
00:12
There's an African proverb that goes,
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非洲有一句谚语是这样说的,
00:14
"The lion's story will never be known
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"只要猎人是讲故事的人
00:17
as long as the hunter is the one to tell it."
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狮子的故事就永远不会为人所知。“
00:21
More than a racial conversation, we need a racial literacy
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除了关于种族的对话, 我们还需要关于种族的知识
00:25
to decode the politics of racial threat in America.
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来解读美国的种族威胁。
00:30
Key to this literacy is a forgotten truth,
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这个概念的关键在于 一个被遗忘的事实——
00:33
that the more we understand
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我们应该更多的认识到,
00:36
that our cultural differences represent the power
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我们的文化差异代表着
00:40
to heal the centuries
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一种治愈几个世纪以来的
00:42
of racial discrimination,
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种族歧视,
00:43
dehumanization and illness.
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非人化和疾病的力量。
00:46
Both of my parents were African-American.
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我的父母都是非裔美国人。
00:49
My father was born in Southern Delaware,
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我父亲生于特拉华州南部,
00:51
my mother, North Philadelphia,
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我母亲来自费城北部,
00:53
and these two places are as different from each other as east is from west,
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而这两个地方非常不同, 就像东方和西方,
00:57
as New York City is from Montgomery, Alabama.
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就像纽约市和 亚拉巴马州的蒙哥马利。
01:01
My father's way of dealing with racial conflict
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我父亲处理种族冲突的方法
01:03
was to have my brother Bryan, my sister Christy and I in church
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就是让我哥哥布莱恩, 我姐姐克里斯缇,还有我
01:07
what seemed like 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
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每周 7 天,每天 24 小时 都在教堂里呆着。
01:10
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
01:12
If anybody bothered us because of the color of our skin,
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如果任何人因为肤色找我们麻烦,
01:16
he believed that you should pray for them,
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他坚信你应该为他们祈祷,
01:18
knowing that God would get them back in the end.
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因为上帝最终会报复他们。
01:21
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
01:23
You could say that his racial-coping approach was spiritual --
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你可以说他应对种族问题的方法 是精神上的——
01:26
for later on, one day,
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很有前瞻性,
01:28
like Martin Luther King.
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就如马丁·路·德金 (主张非暴力抵抗)。
01:30
My mother's coping approach was a little different.
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我母亲的应对方法则有些不同。
01:33
She was, uh, you could say, more relational --
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怎么说呢,她的方式更直接——
01:35
right now, like, in your face,
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就地反击,
01:38
right now.
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咄咄逼人。
01:39
More like Malcolm X.
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更像是马尔科姆· X (批评者认为他散布暴力、仇恨)
01:41
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
01:42
She was raised from neighborhoods
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她成长的社区
01:44
in which there was racial violence and segregation,
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存在种族暴力和隔离,
01:46
where she was chased out of neighborhoods,
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她被逐出了这个社区,
01:48
and she exacted violence to chase others out of hers.
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然后她也以暴力回敬, 把其他人驱逐出她的社区。
01:51
When she came to Southern Delaware,
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当她来到特拉华州南部时,
01:53
she thought she had come to a foreign country.
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她以为自己到了国外。
01:56
She didn't understand anybody,
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她谁都不理解,
01:58
particularly the few black and brown folks
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特别是少数的黑人和棕色人种,
02:00
who were physically deferential and verbally deferential
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他们在白人在场时
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in the presence of whites.
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唯唯诺诺。
02:06
Not my mother.
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我母亲可不是这样,
02:07
When she wanted to go somewhere, she walked.
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当她想去某个地方时,她就去。
02:09
She didn't care what you thought.
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她不在乎你怎么想。
02:11
And she pissed a lot of people off with her cultural style.
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而且她的文化风格 让很多人感到愤怒。
02:15
Before we get into the supermarket,
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在我们进超市之前,
02:17
she would give us the talk:
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她会跟我们说,
02:20
"Don't ask for nothin',
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“什么都别要,
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don't touch nothin'.
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什么都别碰。
02:24
Do you understand what I'm saying to you?
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懂了吗?
02:28
I don't care if all the other children are climbing the walls.
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我不管其他小孩 是不是都在爬墙。
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They're not my children.
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他们不是我的孩子。
02:32
Do you understand what I'm saying to you?"
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你们听懂我在说什么了吗?”
02:36
In three-part harmony:
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我们仨异口同声道:
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"Yes, Mom."
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“听懂了,妈妈。”
02:40
Before we'd get into the supermarket,
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在我们进超市之前,
02:43
that talk was all we needed.
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只需要那段谈话。
02:45
Now, how many of you ever got that talk?
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你们多少人被这样教育过?
02:48
How many of you ever give that talk?
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多少人说过这样的话?
02:50
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
02:51
How many of you ever give that talk today?
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你们中多少人 至今为止还在这样说?
02:55
My mother didn't give us the talk because she was worried about money
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我母亲跟我们这样谈话 不是因为她担心钱
或是名声,
02:59
or reputation
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03:00
or us misbehaving.
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或是我们捣乱。
03:01
We never misbehaved.
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我们从来不捣乱。
03:03
We were too scared.
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我们太怕了。
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We were in church 24 hours a day,
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我们一天 24 小时,一周七天
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seven days a week.
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都呆在教堂里。
03:07
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
03:09
She gave us that talk to remind us
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她跟我们谈话是为了提醒我们——
03:11
that some people in the world would interpret us as misbehaving
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这世界上有人会 认为我们在捣乱,
03:15
just by being black.
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仅仅因为我们是黑人。
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Not every parent has to worry about their children being misjudged
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不是每一个家长 都要担心他们的孩子
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because of the color of their skin,
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由于肤色被误解,
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just by breathing.
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哪怕仅仅只是呼吸。
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So we get into the supermarket,
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我们走进超市,
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and people look at us --
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然后人们看向我们——
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stare at us as if we just stole something.
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盯着我们好像, 我们刚偷了什么东西。
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Every now and then, a salesperson would do something or say something
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时不时的,某个营业员会 做些什么或者说些什么,
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because they were pissed with our cultural style,
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因为他们对我们的 文化风格感到愤怒,
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and it would usually happen at the conveyor belt.
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而这一般会发生在 超时结账时的传送带前,
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And the worst thing they could do was to throw our food into the bag.
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而他们能做的最糟的事 就是把我们的食物扔进袋子里。
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And when that happened, it was on.
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而当这样的事发生时,就起火了。
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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My mother began to tell them who they were,
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我母亲会开始告诉他们 他们是什么东西,
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who their family was,
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他们家里人是什么东西,
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where to go,
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应该下几层地狱,
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how fast to get there.
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以多快的速度可以下去。
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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If you haven't been cursed out by my mother, you haven't lived.
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如果你没有被我母亲骂过, 那你可是白活了。
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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The person would be on the floor,
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那个人会倒在地上,
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writhing in utter decay and decomposition,
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在极度的羞辱和崩溃中扭动身体,
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whimpering in a pool of racial shame.
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并在一汪种族羞愧中呜咽。
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
04:11
Now, both my parents were Christians.
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我的双亲都是基督徒。
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The difference is my father prayed before a racial conflict
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区别是,我父亲会 在一场种族冲突之前祈祷,
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and my mother prayed after.
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我母亲在之后祈祷。
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
04:20
There is a time, if you use both of their strategies,
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有时候,你可以把 他们俩的战略都用上,
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if you use them in the right time and the right way.
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如果你在对的地方 以对的方式用它们。
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But it's never a time --
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但是从来没有这个时候——
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there's a time for conciliation,
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有和解的时候,
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there's a time for confrontation,
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有冲突的时候——
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but it's never a time to freeze up like a deer in the headlights,
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但从来没有像车灯前的鹿 一样僵住的时候,
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and it's never a time to lash out in heedless, thoughtless anger.
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也从来没有在不顾后果、 不加思考的愤怒中进行攻击的时候。
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The lesson in this is
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这里面的教训是——
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that when it comes to race relations,
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当问题涉及种族关系时,
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sometimes, we've got to know how to pray,
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有时,我们需要知道怎么去祷告,
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think through, process, prepare.
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深思,处理,准备。
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And other times, we've got to know how to push,
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而其它时候, 我们需要知道怎么去推动,
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how to do something.
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怎么去做一些事,
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And I'm afraid that neither of these two skills --
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而恐怕这两种技巧——
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preparing,
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预备,
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pushing --
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推动——
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are prevalent in our society today.
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在我们当今社会里都不普遍。
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If you look at the neuroscience research
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如果你查看神经学研究,
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which says that when we are racially threatened,
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其中说到, 当我们因为种族而被威胁,
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our brains go on lockdown,
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我们的大脑封闭了,
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and we dehumanize black and brown people.
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而且我们扼杀了 黑人和棕色人种的人性。
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Our brains imagine that children and adults are older than they really are,
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我们大脑种想象的孩子和大人 都比他们的真实年龄要老,
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larger than they really are
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比他们真实的体型要大,
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and closer than they really are.
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比他们真实的距离更近。
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When we're at our worst, we convince ourselves
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在最差的状态下, 我们会说服自己,
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that they don't deserve affection or protection.
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他们不该得到关爱或是保护。
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At the Racial Empowerment Collaborative,
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在种族授权合作机构,
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we know that some of the scariest moments are racial encounters,
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我们知道一些最可怕的时刻 就是种族接触,
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some of the scariest moments that people will ever face.
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人们会经历的一些 最可怕的时刻。
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If you look at the police encounters that have led to some wrongful deaths
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如果你看这个国家 导致印第安人
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of mostly Native Americans and African-Americans in this country,
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和非裔屈死的涉警事件,
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they've lasted about two minutes.
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它们仅仅持续了两分钟左右。
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Within 60 seconds,
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60 秒内,
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our brains go on lockdown.
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我们的大脑就被封闭了。
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And when we're unprepared,
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而当我们没有准备时,
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we overreact.
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我们会反应过度。
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At best, we shut down.
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最好的情况下,我们停止思考。
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At worst, we shoot first and ask no questions.
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最坏的情况下,我们在不进行 问询的情况下就会先开枪。
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Imagine if we could reduce the intensity of threat
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想象一下如果我们可以 在那 60 秒内
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within those 60 seconds
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降低威胁感的激烈程度,
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and keep our brains from going on lockdown.
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并且阻止我们的大脑继续封闭会如何。
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Imagine how many children would get to come home from school
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想象一下有多少孩子 可以从学校或者便利店
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or 7-Eleven
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安全回到家里,
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without getting expelled or shot.
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没有被开除或是受到枪击。
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Imagine how many mothers and fathers wouldn't have to cry.
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想象一下有多少父母不用为此哭泣。
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Racial socialization can help young people negotiate 60-second encounters,
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种族的社交可以帮助年轻人 顺利渡过 60 秒的冲突时刻,
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but it's going to take more than a chat.
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但这需要的不仅是一个交谈,
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It requires a racial literacy.
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也需要种族素养。
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Now, how do parents have these conversations,
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父母怎么去开展这样的谈话?
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and what is a racial literacy?
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什么又是种族素养呢?
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Thank you for asking.
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谢谢你问了。
06:49
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
06:51
A racial literacy involves the ability to read,
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种族素养包括解读、
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recast and resolve a racially stressful encounter.
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改变并解决紧张的 种族接触的能力。
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Reading involves recognizing when a racial moment happens
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“理解”包括意识到 一个种族时刻的发生,
07:02
and noticing our stress reactions to it.
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并且注意到我们对它的压力反应。
07:05
Recasting involves
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“反应”包括
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taking mindfulness and reducing my tsunami interpretation of this moment
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注意并减轻我 对于这个时刻的过度解读,
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and reducing it to a mountain-climbing experience,
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然后把它降为一个爬山经历,
07:17
one that is --
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一个——
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from impossible situation to one that is much more doable
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从完全不可能的情况 到一个可执行并且
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and challenging.
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有挑战的情况。
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Resolving a racially stressful encounter involves
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“解决”一次种紧张的族性接触包括
07:28
being able to make a healthy decision
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能够做出有益的决定,
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that is not an underreaction, where I pretend, "That didn't bother me,"
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这不代表可以轻描淡写, 假装“我不在乎这事儿”,
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or an overreaction, where I exaggerate the moment.
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也不代表要有过激反应, 去夸张这个时刻的紧张感。
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Now, we can teach parents and children how to read, recast and resolve
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那么,我们可以通过 一个有意识的策略,我们称之为
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using a mindfulness strategy we call: "Calculate, locate, communicate,
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“计算、设置、沟通、吸气和呼气“, 教父母和孩子们怎么去
07:48
breathe and exhale."
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解读、改变和解决。
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Stay with me.
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听我慢慢说。
07:51
"Calculate" asks,
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“计算”问的是
07:53
"What feeling am I having right now,
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“我现在有什么感受,
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and how intense is it on a scale of one to 10?"
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从 1 到 10,它的紧张程度是多少?”
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"Locate" asks, "Where in my body do I feel it?"
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“设置”问的是“我在身体里的 什么地方能感受到它?”
08:03
And be specific,
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再具体一点,
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like the Native American girl at a Chicago fifth-grade school said to me,
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就像是芝加哥一个五年级的 印第安女孩告诉我的那样,
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"I feel angry at a nine because I'm the only Native American.
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“我现在九级愤怒, 因为我是唯一的印第安人。
08:15
And I can feel it in my stomach,
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而且我可以在胃里感受到它,
08:17
like a bunch of butterflies are fighting with each other,
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像是一群蝴蝶在打架,
08:20
so much so that they fly up into my throat and choke me."
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如此激烈,甚至飞进 我的喉咙然后噎住了我。“
08:24
The more detailed you can be,
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你说得越详细,
08:26
the easier it is to reduce that spot.
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就越容易减轻那种感觉。
08:28
"Communicate" asks,
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“沟通”问的是
08:29
"What self-talk and what images are coming in my mind?"
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“我的脑海中在产生什么样的 自言自语和画面?”
08:33
And if you really want help, try breathing in
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如果你真的想要改善情况, 试试看吸气,
08:36
and exhaling slowly.
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然后缓慢地呼气。
08:38
With the help of my many colleagues at the Racial Empowerment Collaborative,
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在族授权合作机构 许多同事的帮助下,
08:42
we use in-the-moment stress-reduction
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我们在一些研究和治疗项目中
08:44
in several research and therapy projects.
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使用了实境减压方法。
08:47
One project is where we use basketball to help youth manage their emotions
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在一个项目中, 我们用篮球在球场上帮助年轻人
08:52
during 60-second eruptions on the court.
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在 60 秒内控制他们的情绪。
08:56
Another project, with the help of my colleagues Loretta and John Jemmott,
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另一个项目中,在我同事 洛雷塔和约翰·杰莫特的帮助下,
09:01
we leverage the cultural style of African-American barbershops,
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我们利用非裔美国人 理发店的文化风格
09:06
where we train black barbers to be health educators in two areas:
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训练黑人理发师成为 两个领域的健康导师:
09:10
one, to safely reduce the sexual risk in their partner relationships;
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第一,大大减少同伴关系中的性风险;
09:14
and the other,
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另一个则是
09:15
to stop retaliation violence.
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停止报复性的暴力行为。
09:18
The cool part is the barbers use their cultural style
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炫酷的是,这些理发师在理发时,
09:21
to deliver this health education to 18- to 24-year-old men
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会利用他们的文化风格 将健康教育知识传达给
09:25
while they're cutting their hair.
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18 到 24 岁的人。
09:27
Another project is where we teach teachers
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再另外一个项目中,我们训练老师
09:31
how to read, recast and resolve stressful moments in the classroom.
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如何解读、改变和化解 课堂上的紧张时刻。
09:36
And a final project, in which we teach parents and their children separately
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在最后一个项目中, 我们在帮助家长和孩子们
09:41
to understand their racial traumas
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一起解决日常生活中 微小的冒犯问题之前,
09:44
before we bring them together to problem-solve daily microaggressions.
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会先让他们分别 各自理解他们的种族创伤。
09:49
Now, racially literate conversations with our children can be healing,
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和我们的孩子谈论种族素养 可以是治愈性的,
09:53
but it takes practice.
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但它需要实践。
09:54
And I know some of you are saying, "Practice?
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我知道你们有人在问了: “实践?
09:57
Practice?
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真的吗?
09:58
We're talking about practice?"
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我们在讲实践?”
10:00
Yes, we are talking about practice.
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是的,我们是在讲实践。
10:03
I have two sons.
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我有两个儿子。
10:05
My oldest, Bryan, is 26,
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大儿子布莱恩,26 岁,
10:07
and my youngest, Julian, is 12.
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小儿子朱利安,12 岁。
10:10
And we do not have time to talk about how that happened.
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我们没空谈论这是怎么回事
10:12
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
10:14
But,
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但是,
10:16
when I think of them,
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在我的概念中,
10:17
they are still babies to me,
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他们仍然是小宝宝,
10:19
and I worry every day that the world will misjudge them.
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我每天都在担心 这个世界会误解他们。
10:23
In August of 2013,
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在 2013 年 8 月,
10:26
Julian, who was eight at the time, and I were folding laundry,
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8 岁的朱利安和我在叠衣服,
10:29
which in and of itself is such a rare occurrence,
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这本来就是个难得的时刻,
10:32
I should have known something strange was going to happen.
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我本应该知道一些怪事就要发生的。
10:35
On the TV were Trayvon Martin's parents,
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电视里播着黑人少年 塔拉万·马丁的父母因为
10:37
and they were crying
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协警乔治·齐默尔曼 巡逻时无故射杀了马丁
10:40
because of the acquittal of George Zimmerman.
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却被无罪释放而哭泣的画面。
10:42
And Julian was glued to the TV.
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朱利安一直盯着电视看,
10:46
He had a thousand questions, and I was not prepared.
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心中满是疑问,而我毫无准备。
10:49
He wanted to know why:
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他想知道为什么:
10:50
Why would a grown man stalk and hunt down and kill
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为什么一个成年人 会穷追猛打并杀害
10:55
an unarmed 17-year-old boy?
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一个没有武装的 17 岁男孩?
10:58
And I did not know what to say.
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而我并不知道该说什么,
我绞尽脑汁回答道:
11:00
The best thing that could come out of my mouth was,
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“朱利安,有时在这世上会有人
11:02
"Julian, sometimes in this world, there are people
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11:05
who look down on black and brown people
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瞧不起黑色和棕色人种,
11:08
and do not treat them -- and children, too --
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并且不会把他们, 包括他们的孩子
11:11
do not treat them as human."
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当作人类看待。”
11:13
He interpreted the whole situation as sad.
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他认为这很悲哀。
11:16
(Voice-over) Julian Stevenson: That's sad.
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(录音)朱利安·史蒂文森: 真悲哀。
“我们才不在乎, 你们跟我们不是一类。”
11:19
"We don't care. You're not our kind."
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11:20
HS: Yes.
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爸爸:是的。
儿子:就好像, “我们就是比你们高等。”
11:22
JS: It's like, "We're better than you."
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11:25
HS: Yes.
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爸爸:是的。
11:26
JS: "And there's nothing you can do about that.
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儿子:“而你们对此却无能为力。
11:29
And if you scare me, or something like that,
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如果你们把我吓到了, 或是类似的事情,
11:32
I will shoot you because I'm scared of you."
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我就会向你们开枪, 因为我害怕你们。”
11:35
HS: Exactly.
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爸爸:正是如此。
11:36
But if somebody's stalking you --
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但如果有人在跟着你......
11:38
JS: It's not the same for everyone else.
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儿子:“人们不是平等的。”
11:40
HS: It's not always the same, no. You've got to be careful.
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爸爸:不一直是平等的,不。 你要小心。
儿子:恩,因为人们可以不尊重你。
11:43
JS: Yeah, because people can disrespect you.
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爸爸:是的。
11:45
HS: Exactly.
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11:46
JS: And think that you're,
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儿子:而且他们认为你是——
11:50
"You don't look -- you don't look like you're ..."
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“你看上去不像是......”
11:55
It's like they're saying that "You don't look right,
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好像他们在说:“你看上去不对劲,
12:00
so I guess I have the right to disrespect you."
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所以我想我有不尊重你的权利。”
12:02
HS: Yeah, and that's what we call,
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爸爸:是的,这就是我们所谓的
12:04
we call that racism.
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种族主义。
12:06
And we call that racism, Julian,
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朱利安,我们把它称为种族主义,
12:08
and yes, some people -- other people -- can wear a hoodie,
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是的,有些人—— 其他人——可以穿连帽衫,
12:12
and nothing happens to them.
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他们并不会有事,
12:13
But you and Trayvon might,
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但换成你和塔拉万 可能就会有事了。
12:16
and that's why Daddy wants you to be safe.
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这就是为什么 爸爸想让你们安全行事。
12:20
(Voice-over) HS: And that's why --
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(录音)爸爸:这就是为什么......
儿子:所以你的意思是, 当你说“其他人”,
12:22
JS: So you mean like, when you said "other people,"
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12:24
you mean, like if Trayvon was a white,
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你说的是,如果塔拉万是白种人,
12:28
um, that he wouldn't be disrespected like that?
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呃...他就不会那样不被人尊重了?
12:32
HS: Yes, Julian, Daddy meant white people
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爸爸:是的,朱利安, 当爸爸说“其他人”的时候,
爸爸指的是白种人。
12:34
when I said, "other people," all right?
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12:36
So there was a way in which I was so awkward in the beginning,
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刚开始,我猝不及防,
12:39
but once I started getting my rhythm and my groove,
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但我渐入佳境,
12:41
I started talking about stereotypes and issues of discrimination,
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开始讨论刻板印象与种族歧视,
12:46
and just when I was getting my groove on,
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说得正起劲的时候,
12:49
Julian interrupted me.
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朱利安打断了我。
12:51
(Voice-over) HS: ... dangerous, or you're a criminal because you're black,
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(录音)爸爸:因为你是黑人, 你就很危险,或者是个罪犯,
可能你就是个小孩——
12:55
and you're a child or a boy --
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这不对!不管谁这么做。
12:56
That is wrong, it doesn't matter who does it.
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12:58
JS: Dad, I need to stop you there.
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儿子:爸爸,停一下。
13:00
HS: What?
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爸爸:什么?
儿子:还记得吗......
13:01
JS: Remember when we were ...
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13:03
HS: So he interrupts me to tell me a story
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爸爸:他让我打住,给我讲了个故事,
13:05
about when he was racially threatened at a swimming pool with a friend
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他和朋友在泳池 因为种族而受到了
13:09
by two grown white men,
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两个成年白人的威胁,
13:11
which his mother confirmed.
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他妈妈证实了这个故事。
13:12
And I felt happy that he was able to talk about it;
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我感到开心,因为他能够谈论这件事,
13:15
it felt like he was getting it.
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这说明他正在理解我的观点。
13:17
We moved from the sadness of Trayvon's parents
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我们从塔拉万父母的悲伤中抽离出来,
13:19
and started talking about George Zimmerman's parents,
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并开始谈论乔治·齐默尔曼的父母,
13:22
which, I read in a magazine,
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我从杂志得知,
13:24
condoned the stalking of Trayvon.
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他们宽恕了齐默尔曼 跟踪塔拉万的行为。
13:26
And Julian's reaction to me was priceless.
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而朱利安的反应对我弥足珍贵。
13:29
It made me feel like he was getting it.
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这让我觉得他正在理解这样的行为。
13:32
(Voice-over) JS: What did they say about him?
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(录音)儿子:他们对 自己的儿子怎么评价?
爸爸:我觉得他们认为 儿子这种跟踪和穷追不舍的行为
13:34
HS: Well, I think they basically felt that he was justified
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13:37
to follow and stalk --
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是正当的。
13:39
JS: What the -- ?
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儿子:什么!
13:41
HS: Yeah, I think that's wrong.
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爸爸:是的,我认为这不对。
13:43
JS: That's -- one minute.
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儿子:等一下。
13:44
So they're saying he has the right to follow a black kid,
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他们的意思是齐默尔曼有权 跟踪一个黑人孩子,
13:48
get in a fight with him and shoot him?
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陷入对峙并射杀他?
13:51
HS: As Julian was getting it,
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爸爸:就在朱利安 开始理解的时候,
13:53
I started to lose it.
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我开始失控了。
13:55
Because in my mind's eye, I was thinking:
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因为我在想:
13:57
What if my Julian or Bryan was Trayvon?
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如果我的两个孩子就是塔拉万呢?
14:01
I calculated my anger at a 10.
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我的愤怒指数达到了10。
14:03
I found, located, my right leg was shaking uncontrollably
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我发现我的右腿开始不自觉颤抖,
14:07
like I was running.
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好像我在跑步似的。
14:09
And in my mind's eye, I could see somebody chasing Julian,
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我脑海中出现了 有群人在追着朱利安,
14:12
and I was chasing them.
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而我在追着他们的画面。
14:14
And the only thing that could come out of my mouth
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我能说的唯一的话
14:16
was if anybody tries to bother my child ...
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就是:如果有人试着 找我孩子的麻烦......
14:21
(Voice-over) HS: If anybody tries to bother my child ...
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(录音)爸爸:如果有人 试着找我孩子麻烦......
14:24
mmm, mmm, mmm.
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哼......
14:26
JS: What will happen?
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儿子:会发生什么?
14:27
HS: Well, they better run.
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爸爸:呵呵,他们赶快跑吧。
14:30
JS: Because what? HS: I'm gonna get 'em.
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儿子:为什么? 爸爸:我会揍他们。
14:32
JS: See? (Laughs)
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儿子:啥?(大笑)
14:33
HS: I'm gonna get 'em. JS: Really?
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爸爸:我会揍他们。 儿子:真的吗?
爸爸:当然了。
14:35
HS: Oh, yeah.
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儿子:然后他们会反击, 因为他们可能有武器。
14:36
JS: Then they're gonna get you because they might have weapons.
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爸爸:我知道,我会报警的, 我也应该这么做。
14:39
HS: Well, you know what, I'm gonna call police, too, like I should.
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但我更想把他们痛扁一顿,
14:43
But I feel like I wanna get 'em.
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但不行,你是对的, 你不能就那么追着人跑。
14:44
But you can't; you're right, you can't just go chasing people.
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儿子:他们可能有武器的!
14:47
JS: They can be armed.
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14:48
HS: Yeah, you right. Yeah, you right.
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爸爸:是的,你是对的,你是对的。
14:50
I feel like I wanna chase 'em.
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我就感觉我想追着他们......
儿子:他们可能惹不起。
14:52
JS: Plus they could be an army or something.
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爸爸:我知道, 他们敢惹我儿子,我就想揍他们。
14:54
HS: I know -- I feel like I wanna go get 'em, messing with my son.
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14:57
I don't like that.
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我不喜欢这样。
14:59
JS: Um ...
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儿子:哦......
15:00
HS: But you right. You gotta be careful.
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爸爸:但你是对的,得小心点,
15:03
And um, you gotta be careful.
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得小心点。
15:06
You never know what some crazy people will think about you.
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你永远不会知道 一些疯子会怎么看你。
15:10
Just as long as you believe you're beautiful
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只要你相信你是出色的,
15:12
like Daddy believes you're beautiful and handsome,
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就像爸爸眼中的你一样, 你是出色又帅气的,
15:15
and Mommy believes you're beautiful and handsome and smart.
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妈妈认为你出色帅气还聪明,
15:20
And you deserve to be on this planet,
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那么你就有权生活在这星球上,
15:23
just as happy and beautiful and smart as you want to be.
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想要多开心,多出色, 多机智都可以。
15:27
You can do anything you want, baby.
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你可以做任何你想做的事,孩子。
15:31
HS: Racial socialization is not just what parents teach their children.
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种族社会化不仅是 父母对孩子的教育,
15:35
It's also how children respond to what their parents teach.
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也关于孩子如何 对父母的教育做出反应。
15:40
Is my child prepared?
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我的孩子准备好了吗?
15:43
Can they recognize when a racial elephant shows up in a room?
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房间里种族主义大象出现时, 他们可以意识到吗?
15:47
Can they reduce their tsunami interpretation
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他们能把海啸似的过度解读
15:50
down to a mountain-climbing adventure
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化解为爬山似的经历,
15:52
that they can engage and not run away?
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在他们掌控之内, 不会失控的解读吗?
15:55
Can they make a healthy and just decision in 60 seconds?
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60 秒内,他们可以 做出合理正当的决定吗?
16:00
Can I?
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我可以吗?
16:02
Can you?
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你们可以吗?
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Yes, we can.
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是的,我们可以!
16:05
We can build healthier relationships around race
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我们可以建立更健康的种族关系,
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if we learn to calculate, locate communicate, breathe and exhale
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如果我们试着在最危险的时刻
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in the middle of our most threatening moments,
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计算、设置、沟通,吸气与呼气,
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when we come face-to-face with our lesser selves.
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并怀着更少的私心。
16:22
If you take the centuries of racial rage
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如果你能淡化几世纪积淀下来的 体内沸腾着的、
16:25
that boils up in all of our bodies, minds and souls --
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影响到我们身心乃至灵魂的,
16:29
and anything that affects our bodies, minds and souls affects our health --
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影响到我们健康的愤怒,
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we could probably use gun control for our hearts.
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我们的心绪便会更容易得到控制。
16:38
I just want what all parents want for their children
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我只是想像其他所有父母一样,
16:41
when we're not around:
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当我们不在孩子身边时,
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affection and protection.
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孩子可以得到关爱与保护。
16:46
When police and teachers see my children,
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当警察与老师看见我的孩子时,
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I want them to imagine their own,
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我希望他们想想自己的孩子,
16:51
because I believe if you see our children as your children,
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因为我相信,如果你能 视我的孩子如己出,
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you won't shoot them.
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你就不会射杀他们了。
16:58
With racial literacy, and yes, practice,
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有了种族素养,当然,还有实践,
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we can decode the racial trauma from our stories,
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我们就能解读故事中的种族创伤,
17:05
and our healing will come in the telling.
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在讲述过程中,创伤便得以治愈。
17:07
But we must never forget
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但我们不能忘记,
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that our cultural differences are full of affection and protection,
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我们的文化差异中 充满关爱与保护,
17:16
and remember always that the lion's story will never be known
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永远要记住, 只要猎人是讲故事的人,
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as long as the hunter is the one to tell it.
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狮子的故事就永远不会为人所知。
17:22
Thank you very much.
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非常感谢。
17:24
(Applause)
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