The power of venom -- and how it could one day save your life | Mandë Holford

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How does a sea snail catch a fish?
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I mean, it's a snail, so it's slow,
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and the fish is not.
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But yet, this happens.
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Hidden under the sand is a cone snail.
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And that orange thing you see is kind of like a tongue.
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We call it a proboscis.
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It uses that to track and subdue this unsuspecting fish.
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In this predator-prey interaction,
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these are clearly not your garden variety escargots.
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These are assassins of the sea.
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And their weapon of choice is venom.
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Venom, like the venom you find in venomous snakes and scorpions,
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these sea snails, they use their venom to subdue fish, worms
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and other snails.
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And the venom of these snails,
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it's not just one thing,
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it's actually a cocktail of toxic molecules
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that are packaged and delivered through a false tooth called a radula.
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You can think of the radulas as hypodermic needles.
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Now, no need to worry,
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these snails are practicing good needle habits,
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because each radula is only used once.
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Now from your own knowledge about venomous organisms,
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and the keep-you-up-at-night fish-killing video that I just showed you,
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you might think that venom is dangerous and all bad.
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Well, yes and no.
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A more accurate way of thinking of venom
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is to think of it as both a supervillain and a superhero.
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In my lab, we study the evolution of venom in these sea snails
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as a force for good.
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Sounds like a stretch,
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or maybe even snake oil,
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but actually,
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while there are snakes involved, the product is legit.
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One reason the venom product is so successful
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is that it transforms a physical warfare into a biochemical one.
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Where usually the predator-prey interaction is one of brute force,
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venom takes it to a molecular scale.
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And it's not size that matters,
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but the mixture of your venom arsenal.
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The chemistry of the toxins in your arsenal
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is what's going to enable David to conquer Goliath.
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And in our scenario, David is clearly the snail.
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Another feature of venom that makes it so successful
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is that the toxins work with the precision of a Swiss Army knife.
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And so these toxins,
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they come for strongholds that help an organism to function.
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So they target blood, brain and membranes.
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Whether it's snail venom or snake venom,
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they each have components that can do things
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like cause your blood to clot,
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what we call "hemotoxic."
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Or they cause neurons in your brains to not function normally,
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what we call "neurotoxic."
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Or they have toxins that will poke holes into the membranes of your cells,
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causing them to rupture and, basically, explode,
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what we call "cytotoxic."
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Cellular explosion, people.
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Now, if that is not all powerful and all present,
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nothing is.
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Now a little about me,
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and why I'm so obsessed with venom.
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I grew up in New York City
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with forced access to the Natural History Museum.
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I say "forced access,"
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because I'm one of five kids,
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and my parents used museums as a form of childcare.
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There were two rules:
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Don't lose anybody
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and meet Mom and Dad at the African elephants
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at 5:30, when the museum closes.
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Those totally unsupervised days running through the halls of the museum
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were full of adventure and exploration.
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And that's how I feel when I'm studying venom.
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It's a scientific adventure.
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We're boldly exploring this entity that connects nature and humanity.
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Another reason that I'm obsessed with venom
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is because of its duality.
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When you inject the components of a venom arsenal into an organism,
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it can kill or it can cure.
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At a molecular level, several things can happen.
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You saw one thing, paralysis in the fish.
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Now that was happening because the toxins in the venom
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were attacking how the fish's cells communicate with each other,
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preventing it from swimming away.
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Are there other things that I would like to use venom to attack?
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For sure.
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And one of those is cancer.
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Cancer tumors are cells.
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And like all cells,
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they communicate with themselves and their environment around them.
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So we would like to find venom components
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that are very good at disrupting how the tumor cells communicate.
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Similar to how the venom disrupted how the fish cells communicated
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and the fish couldn't swim away.
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In my lab, we study cancer as a channelopathy.
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What this means is, basically, we're looking for venom components
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that will target channels that are overexpressed in tumor cells
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versus normal cells.
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The cancer that we're most focused on right now
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is liver cancer.
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And that's because since the 1980s,
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the death rate of liver cancer has doubled,
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and it's an emerging threat in the US.
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In a screen in which we had cervical,
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neuroblastoma, prostate and liver cancer cells,
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we found a compound from a terebrid snail
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that seems to attack liver cancer cells,
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and only liver cancer cells, and none of the others that were tested.
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And then, when we took this compound and we injected it into mouse models
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that were expressing liver cancer cells,
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it significantly inhibited the growth of the tumors.
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We're not quite sure how this works yet,
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we're still investigating the mechanism
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and how we can make this compound more effective,
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so you can't rush out to the pharmacy
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and order up a killer snail liver-cancer therapy treatment.
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Not yet.
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Basically, what we think is happening
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is that the compound is blocking a specific channel,
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prohibiting the transmission of a specific chemical
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that leads to downstream signaling
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that enables the tumor to multiply and draw blood to itself.
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What we're doing in studying the components of venom
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to find treatments for human diseases and disorders,
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is not new,
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it's what we call natural products drug discovery,
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and it's been happening for centuries,
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and in cultures all over the world.
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Venoms are not only giving us cool new compounds,
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but they're also giving us new ways of thinking
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about how we treat human diseases and disorders.
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And I'll give you three examples.
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The first is from killer snails, of course.
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And so the first drug from these snails that is on the market
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is called ziconotide, or Prialt,
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and it's used to treat chronic pain in HIV and cancer patients.
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Prialt is a nonaddictive pain therapy.
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Three magic words when you think about how we're treating pain currently.
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We're using things that have a huge cost of addiction.
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So think of morphine
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or think of any of your favorite opioid out there.
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What the snails have done
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is they've shown us a way to treat pain without the addiction,
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which is huge.
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The next example comes from the Brazilian pit viper.
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From these snakes, we've derived a compound called captopril.
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Captopril is used to treat high blood pressure,
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and captopril is a breakthrough drug.
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But not only in and of itself,
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but because it advanced a whole class of drugs,
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what we know as ACE inhibitors,
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which are the most commonly [prescribed] for treating hypertension
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and heart failure.
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The last example is from the Gila monster.
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And this is a really exciting example of understanding the ecology
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of these organisms,
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and pairing it with efficient drug discovery.
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And Gila monsters are binge eaters.
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So when they bite into a large meal,
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they release things in their venom that lower blood sugar.
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So what's the drug that you think we found from the Gila monster?
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A compound that is used to lower the blood sugar in diabetic patients.
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Now these are three marvelous examples,
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but we've just scratched the surface.
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There's so much more venom out there for us to study.
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In fact, we think that 15 percent of all the animals on the planet
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are venomous.
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And I think this is a low estimate,
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given the fact that we haven't surveyed all the animals on the planet.
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But nature seems to have found something that she likes,
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and she's repeated it over and over and over again,
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leading to the vast array of animals that we see around us
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and all throughout the tree of life.
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So whether we're talking about my fave, killer snails,
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or jellyfish,
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or the larvae of butterflies and moths,
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or platypus or slow lorises,
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whether by sea, land or air,
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you're sure to encounter a venomous creature.
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Remember when I told you
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that venom can be both a superhero and a supervillain,
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and you doubted me?
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Mhm.
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We're in a race to harness all of this venom goodness
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before we lose the vast majority of animals on our planet.
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It's a holistic process.
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You can't have the therapeutic treatments without having the animals.
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And you can't have the animals
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without having their ecosystems.
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So for me and the snails,
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what it means is we have to save the oceans.
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And because venomous animals are found everywhere,
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we basically have to save the planet.
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So do it for the venomous animals,
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if you don't want to do it for yourself.
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And who knows,
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some day, snail venom might just save your life.
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Thank you.
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