Free yourself from your filter bubbles | Joan Blades and John Gable

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ฒˆ์—ญ: SooAn Han ๊ฒ€ํ† : InHyuk Song
00:12
Joan Blades: Do you have politically diverse friends?
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์กฐ์•ˆ ๋ธ”๋ ˆ์ด์ฆˆ: ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ์ •์น˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์„ฑํ–ฅ์˜ ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
00:15
What do you talk about with them?
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๊ทธ๋“ค๊ณผ ์–ด๋–ค ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
00:18
I'm a progressive; I live in a town full of progressives,
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์ €๋Š” ์ง„๋ณด์„ฑํ–ฅ์ด๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋งŽ์€ ๋™๋„ค์— ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ .
00:20
and 15 years ago, I didn't have any conservative friends.
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15๋…„ ์ „์—, ์ €๋Š” ๋ณด์ˆ˜ ์„ฑํ–ฅ ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค์ด ์ „ํ˜€ ์—†์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
00:24
Now I have a wonderful mix of friends,
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์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ณจ๊ณ ๋ฃจ ์žˆ์ฃ .
00:27
and they include John.
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์กด์„ ํฌํ•จํ•ด์„œ์š”.
00:29
John Gable: I am not a progressive.
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์กด ๊ฒŒ์ด๋ธ”: ์ €๋Š” ์ง„๋ณด์„ฑํ–ฅ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:31
I'm a Republican who grew up in a Republican family
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๊ณตํ™”๋‹น ๊ฐ€์ •์—์„œ ์ž๋ž€ ๊ณตํ™”๋‹น์›์ด์ฃ .
00:34
in the conservative South,
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๋ณด์ˆ˜์ ์ธ ๋‚จ๋ถ€ ๊ฐ€์ •์ด์—ˆ๊ณ 
00:35
and even worked in Republican politics, locally and at the national level.
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๊ตญ๊ฐ€์  ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด๋‚˜ ์ง€์—ญ ์ˆ˜์ค€์—์„œ ๊ณตํ™”๋‹น ์ผ์„ ํ•œ ์ ๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:39
But the last 24 years, I've been in technology
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ง€๋‚œ 24๋…„๊ฐ„ ์ €๋Š” ๊ธฐ์ˆ ๋ถ„์•ผ์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ 
00:42
and living in a very progressive area.
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์ด๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ์ง„๋ณด์ ์ธ ๋ถ„์•ผ์˜€์ฃ .
00:44
So I have a lot of progressive friends,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ง„๋ณด ์„ฑํ–ฅ์˜ ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค์ด ๋งŽ์€๋ฐ
00:46
including Joan.
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๊ทธ ์ค‘ ํ•œ๋ช…์ด ์กฐ์•ˆ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:48
JB: I was born in Berkeley, California,
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์กฐ์•ˆ ๋ธ”๋ ˆ์ด์ฆˆ: ์ €๋Š” ์บ˜๋ฆฌํฌ๋‹ˆ์•„ ๋ฒ„ํด๋ฆฌ์—์„œ ํƒœ์–ด๋‚ฌ์–ด์š”.
00:51
a notoriously progressive college town.
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์ง„๋ณด์„ฑํ–ฅ์œผ๋กœ ์•…๋ช… ๋†’์€ ๋Œ€ํ•™ ๋งˆ์„์ด์ฃ .
00:54
And I live there now.
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์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ ์š”.
00:56
In 1998, six months into the Monica Lewinsky-Clinton impeachment scandal,
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1998๋…„ ๋ชจ๋‹ˆ์นด ๋ฅด์œˆ์Šคํ‚ค์™€ ํด๋ฆฐํ„ด์˜ ํƒ„ํ•ต ์Šค์บ”๋“ค 6๊ฐœ์›” ์ดํ›„์—
01:02
I helped cofound MoveOn.org with a one-sentence petition:
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์ €๋Š” MoveOn.org๋ฅผ ๋‹ค์Œ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ํ•œ๋ฌธ์žฅ์˜ ์—ผ์›์œผ๋กœ ๊ณต๋™์ฐฝ๋ฆฝํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:07
"Congress must immediately censure the president
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"์˜ํšŒ๋Š” ์ฆ‰์‹œ ๋Œ€ํ†ต๋ น์„ ๋ถˆ์‹ ์ž„ํ•˜๊ณ 
01:10
and move on to pressing issues facing the nation."
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๊ตญ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์ง๋ฉดํ•œ ๊ธด๊ธ‰ ํ˜„์•ˆ์œผ๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค."
01:13
Now, that was actually a very unifying petition in many ways.
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ์‚ฌ์‹ค ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋ฉด์—์„œ ๋งค์šฐ ํ†ตํ•ฉ์ ์ธ ์—ผ์›์ด์—ˆ์ฃ .
01:17
You could love Clinton or hate Clinton
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ํด๋ฆฐํ„ด์€ ์• ์ •์˜ ๋Œ€์ƒ์ด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ฆ์˜ค์˜ ๋Œ€์ƒ์ด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋‘˜ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ด๊ณ 
01:19
and agree that the best thing for the country was to move on.
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๊ตญ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ตœ์„ ์€ ๋‹ค์Œ์œผ๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋™์˜ํ•˜์‹ค ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:23
As the leader of MoveOn, I saw the polarization just continue.
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MoveOn์˜ ๋ฆฌ๋”๋กœ์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์–‘๊ทนํ™”๊ฐ€ ๊ณ„์†๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ชฉ๊ฒฉํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:28
And I found myself wondering
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์ €๋Š” ์™œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ๋ฌผ์„ ๋ณด๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์ด
01:31
why I saw things so differently
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์ด ๋‚˜๋ผ์˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ
01:34
than many people in other parts of the country.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๋„ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ์ง€ ์ž๋ฌธํ•˜๋Š” ์ œ์ž์‹ ์„ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:36
So in 2005, when I had an opportunity to get together with grassroots leaders
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2005๋…„์— ์ €๋Š” ์ „์˜์—ญ์— ๊ฑธ์ณ ์‹œ๋ฏผ์‚ฌํšŒ ๋ฆฌ๋”๋“ค๊ณผ
01:42
across the political divide,
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ํ•จ๊ป˜ํ•  ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฒผ์„ ๋•Œ
01:45
I grabbed it.
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์ €๋Š” ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•˜๊ฒ ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:47
And I became friends with a lot of people
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์˜ˆ์ „์— ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆŒ ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์—†์—ˆ๋˜
01:49
I never had a chance to talk to before.
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๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์นœ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ๋˜์—ˆ์ฃ .
01:53
And that included leadership in the Christian Coalition,
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๊ธฐ๋…๊ต ์—ฐํ•ฉ ๋Œ€ํ‘œ๋„ ์ด ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜€๋Š”๋ฐ
01:56
often seen as on the right the way MoveOn is seen as on the left.
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MoveOn์ด ์ขŒํŒŒ๋กœ ์—ฌ๊ฒจ์ง€๋Š”๋ฐ ๋ฐ˜ํ•ด ์ข…์ข… ์ด์ชฝ์€ ์šฐํŒŒ๋กœ ์—ฌ๊ฒจ์กŒ์ฃ .
02:00
And this lead to me showing up on Capitol Hill
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์ด๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ์ €๋Š” ์˜ํšŒ์—
02:04
with one of the Christian Coalition leaders, my friend,
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์ œ ์นœ๊ตฌ์ด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•œ ๊ธฐ๋…๊ต ์—ฐํ•ฉ ๋Œ€ํ‘œ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๊ฐ€์„œ
02:08
to lobby for net neutrality.
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๋ง ์ค‘๋ฆฝ์„ฑ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋กœ๋น„๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ธฐ์— ์ด๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:10
That was powerful.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:11
We turned heads.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ณ ๊ฐœ๋ฅผ ๋Œ๋ ธ์ฃ .
02:13
So this work was transformational for me.
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์ด ์ผ์€ ์ œ๊ฒŒ ๋ณ€ํ˜์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:17
And I found myself wondering:
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์ €๋Š” ์ž๋ฌธํ•˜๋Š” ์ œ์ž์‹ ์„ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ–ˆ์ฃ .
02:20
How could vast numbers of people have the opportunity
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์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งŽ์€ ์ˆ˜์˜ ์„œ๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์˜๊ฒฌ์„
02:24
to really connect with people that have very different views?
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๊ฐ€์ง„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์ •๋ง ์†Œํ†ตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ?
02:28
JG: I was born Oneida, Tennessee,
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์ €๋Š” ํ…Œ๋„ค์‹œ ์˜ค๋„ค์ด๋‹ค์—์„œ ํƒœ์–ด๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:31
right across the state border from a small coal mining town,
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์ž‘์€ ํƒ„๊ด‘์ดŒ์œผ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๊ตญ๊ฒฝ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ์— ์žˆ๋Š”
02:35
Stearns, Kentucky.
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์ผ„ํ„ฐํ‚ค ์Šคํ„ด์ฆˆ์ด์ฃ .
02:37
And I lived there for the first few years of my life,
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์ €๋Š” ํƒœ์–ด๋‚˜์„œ ๋ช‡๋…„์„ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์„œ ์‚ด๋‹ค๊ฐ€
02:39
before moving to another small town, Frankfort, Kentucky.
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๋˜๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ž‘์€ ๋งˆ์„์ธ ์ผ„ํ„ฐํ‚ค ํ”„๋ž‘ํฌํฌํŠธ๋กœ ์ด์‚ฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:42
Basically, I grew up in small-town America,
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๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ €๋Š” ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์ž‘์€ ๋งˆ์„์—์„œ ์ž๋ž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:44
conservative at its heart.
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๋ผ›์† ๊นŠ์ด ๋ณด์ˆ˜์ ์ด์ฃ .
02:46
Now, Stearns and Berkeley -- they're a little different.
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์Šคํ„ด์ฆˆ์™€ ๋ฒ„ํด๋ฆฌ-์ด๋“ค๊ณผ๋Š” ์ข€ ๋‹ฌ๋ผ์š”.
02:50
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
02:53
So in the '90s I moved out west to a progressive area
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ 90๋…„๋Œ€์— ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ง„๋ณด์ ์ธ ์„œ๋ถ€ ์ง€์—ญ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ”์„ ๋•Œ
02:57
to work in technology --
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๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ชฝ ๋ถ„์•ผ์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ์š”.
02:58
worked at Microsoft, worked at Netscape.
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๋งˆ์ดํฌ๋กœ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ, ๋„ค์Šค์ผ€์ดํ”„ ๋“ฑ์—์„œ ์ผํ–ˆ์ฃ .
03:00
I actually became the product manager lead for Netscape Navigator,
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์ €๋Š” ๋„ค์Šค์ผ€์ดํ”„ ๋„ค๋น„๊ฒŒ์ดํ„ฐ ์ƒํ’ˆ ๋งค๋‹ˆ์ €์˜€๋Š”๋ฐ
03:04
the first popular web browser.
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์ด๋Š” ์ฒซ ๋Œ€์ค‘ ์›น ๋ธŒ๋ผ์šฐ์ €์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:06
Now in the early days of the internet,
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์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท ์ดˆ๊ธฐ์—
03:08
we were just moved and inspired by a vision:
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‹ค์Œ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋น„์ „์— ๊ฐ๋ช…๋ฐ›๊ณ  ๊ณ ๋ฌด๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์ฃ .
03:11
when we're connected to all these different people around the world
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ „์„ธ๊ณ„ ๊ฐ๊ธฐ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ
03:14
and all these different ideas,
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๊ฐ๊ธฐ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋“ค๊ณผ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ
03:16
we'll be able to make great decisions,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋“ค์€ ์ข‹์€ ๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ๋‚ด๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ 
03:17
and we'll be able to appreciate each other
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์„œ๋กœ๋ฅผ ๋”์šฑ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํžˆ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์ฃ .
03:20
for the beautiful diversity that the whole world has to offer.
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์ „์„ธ๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๋Š” ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์šด ๋‹ค์–‘์„ฑ์œผ๋กœ ์ธํ•ด์„œ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:23
Now I also, 20 years ago, gave a speech
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๋ฐ˜๋ฉด ์ €๋Š” 20๋…„ ์ „์— ๊ฐ•์—ฐ์„ ํ•œ์ ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:24
saying it might not work out that way,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋ฐฉ์‹์€ ํ†ตํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ 
03:27
that we might actually be trained to discriminate against each other
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ์ € ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์„œ๋กœ๋ฅผ
03:31
in new ways.
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์ฐจ๋ณ„ํ•˜๋„๋ก ํ›ˆ๋ จ๋ฐ›์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ ์š”.
03:34
So what happened?
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์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
03:36
It's not like we just woke up one day and decided to hate each other more.
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์–ด๋Š๋‚  ๊ฐ‘์ž๊ธฐ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜ ์„œ๋กœ๋ฅผ ์ฆ์˜คํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:40
Here's what happened.
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์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ง„ํ–‰๋˜์ฃ .
03:42
There's just too much noise -- too many people, too many ideas --
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์‹œ๋„๋Ÿฌ์›Œ, ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋งŽ์•„, ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์•„ ๋ผ๋ฉฐ
03:45
so we use technology to filter it out a little bit.
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๊ธฐ์ˆ ์„ ์ด์šฉํ•ด ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ์—ฌ๊ณผ์‹œํ‚ต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:47
And what happens?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋˜์ฃ ?
03:49
It lets in ideas I already agree with.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ฏธ ๋™์˜ํ•œ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋“ค์„ ์œ ์ž…์‹œํ‚ค์ฃ .
03:52
It lets in the popular ideas,
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๋Œ€์ค‘์ ์ธ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋“ค์„ ๋Œ์–ด๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:54
it lets in people just like me who think just like me.
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์ €์™€ ๊ฐ™์ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๋Œ์–ด๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:56
That sounds kind of good, right?
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์ข‹์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์œผ์‹œ์ฃ ?
03:58
Well, not necessarily,
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๊ผญ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€๋งŒ์€ ์•Š์€๋ฐ์š”.
04:01
because two very scary things happen
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๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋งค์šฐ ๋ฌด์„œ์šด ์ผ๋“ค์ด
04:04
when we have such narrow worldviews.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ข์€ ์„ธ๊ณ„๊ด€์„ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ๋•Œ ์ƒ๊ฒจ๋‚˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:06
First, we become more extreme in our beliefs.
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์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์‹ ๋…์— ์žˆ์–ด ์ ์  ๋” ๊ทน๋‹จ์ ์ด๊ฒŒ ๋œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:11
Second, we become less tolerant of anybody who's different than we are.
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๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์™€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์˜๊ฒฌ์— ์ ์  ๋œ ๊ด€์šฉ์ ์ด๊ฒŒ ๋œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ด๊ณ ์š”.
04:18
Does this sound familiar?
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์ต์ˆ™ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋“ค๋ฆฌ์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
04:20
Does this sound like modern America? The modern world?
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ํ˜„๋Œ€ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์˜ ๋ชจ์Šต ๊ฐ™์œผ์‹ ๊ฐ€์š”? ํ˜„๋Œ€์˜ ์„ธ๊ณ„?
04:24
Well, the good news is that technology is changing,
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์ข‹์€ ์†Œ์‹์€ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ด ๋ฐ”๋€Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ 
04:26
and it could change for the better.
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๋” ๋‚˜์€ ์„ธ์ƒ์„ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š”๋ฐ ์ผ์กฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:28
And that's, in fact, why I started AllSides.com --
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ œ๊ฐ€ AllSides.com์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•œ ์ด์œ ์ด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•œ๋ฐ์š”.
04:31
to create technologies and services to free us from these filter bubbles.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ํ•„ํ„ฐ๋ฒ„๋ธ”๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์ž์œ ๋กญ๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ธฐ์ˆ ๊ณผ ์„œ๋น„์Šค๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด๋‚ด๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:35
The very first thing we did was create technology that identifies bias,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ œ์ผ ์ฒ˜์Œ์œผ๋กœ ํ•œ ์ผ์€ ํŽธ๊ฒฌ์„ ์ฐพ๋Š” ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด๋‚ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ๊ณ 
04:38
so we could show different perspectives side by side
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๊ด€์ ์„ ์–‘์ชฝ์—์„œ ๋ณด์—ฌ์คŒ์œผ๋กœ์จ
04:42
to free us from the filter bubbles of news media.
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๋‰ด์Šค ๋ฏธ๋””์–ด์˜ ํ•„ํ„ฐ๊ฑฐํ’ˆ์œผ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ž์œ ๋กญ๊ฒŒ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:46
And then I met Joan.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ „ ์กฐ์•ค์„ ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:49
JB: So I met John outside of Washington, DC,
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์ €๋Š” ์›Œ์‹ฑํ„ด DC ์™ธ๊ณฝ์—์„œ ์กด์„ ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ์–ด์š”.
04:52
with an idealistic group of cross-partisan bridge builders,
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์ •๋‹น์‚ฌ์ด์— ์นœ๋ชฉ์„ ๋„๋ชจํ•˜๋Š” ์ด์ƒ์ ์ธ ๊ทธ๋ฃน์ด์—ˆ์ฃ .
04:58
and we wanted to re-weave the fabric of our communities.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆํ‹ฐ๋ฅผ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์—ฎ์–ด๋‚˜๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:02
We believe that our differences can be a strength,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ฐจ์ด๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ•์ ์ด ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ 
05:06
that our values can be complimentary
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ฐ€์น˜๊ฐ€ ์ƒํ˜ธ๋ณด์™„์ ์ด ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ 
05:09
and that we have to overcome the fight
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์‹ธ์›€์„ ๊ทน๋ณตํ•ด์•ผํ•˜๊ณ 
05:12
so that we can honor everyone's values
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ชจ๋‘์˜ ๊ฐ€์น˜๋ฅผ ์กด์ค‘ํ•ด์•ผํ•˜๊ณ 
05:14
and not lose any of our own.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์ž์‹ ์˜ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋„ ์žƒ์–ด์„œ๋Š” ์•ˆ๋œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:17
I went for this wonderful walk with John,
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์ €๋Š” ์ด ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ๊ฑธ์Œ์„ ์กด๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋ฉฐ
05:19
where I started learning about the work he was doing
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•œ ์ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:21
to pierce the filter bubble.
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ํ•„ํ„ฐ ๋ฒ„๋ธ”์„ ๋šซ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:23
It was powerful;
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ
05:25
it was brilliant.
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๋˜ํ•œ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:27
Living in separate narratives is not good.
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๋ถ„๋ฆฌ๋œ ๋‚ด๋Ÿฌํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ ์†์—์„œ ์‚ฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:30
We can't even have a conversation or do collaborative problem-solving
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ํ•ฉ๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ๋ฌธ์ œํ•ด๊ฒฐ์กฐ์ฐจ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:34
when we don't share the same facts.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ง„์‹ค์„ ๊ณต์œ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:38
JG: So one thing you take away from today
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์กด ๊ฒŒ์ด๋ธ”: ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ๋ฐฐ์šธ ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
05:40
is if Joan Blades asks you to go on a walk,
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ์กด ๋ธ”๋ ˆ์ด์ฆˆ๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฑท์ž๊ณ  ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋ฉด
05:43
go on that walk.
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๊ผญ ๊ฑธ์œผ์‹œ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:44
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
05:45
It changed things. It really changed the way I was thinking about things.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์ผ์œผ์ผฐ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €์˜ ์‚ฌ๊ณ ๋ฐฉ์‹์„ ์ •๋ง ๋ฐ”๊ฟจ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:49
To free ourselves from the filter bubbles,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ํ•„ํ„ฐ ๋ฒ„๋ธ”์—์„œ ํ•ด๋ฐฉํ•˜๋ ค๋ฉด
05:51
we can't just think about information filter bubbles,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ •๋ณด ํ•„ํ„ฐ ๋ฒ„๋ธ”์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋งŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ์•ˆ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:54
but also relationship and social filter bubbles.
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๊ด€๊ณ„์™€ ์‚ฌํšŒ ํ•„ํ„ฐ ๋ฒ„๋ธ”์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:56
You see, we human beings -- we're not nearly as smart as we think we are.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ธ๊ฐ„๋“ค์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋˜‘๋˜‘ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์ฃ .
06:00
We don't generally make decisions intellectually.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ณดํ†ต ์ง€์ ์ธ ํŒ๋‹จ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ๋‚ด๋ฆฌ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:02
We make them emotionally, intuitively,
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๊ฐ์ •์ ์ด๊ณ , ์ง๊ฐ์ ์ธ ๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ๋‚ด๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋Š”
06:04
and then we use our big old brains
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ํฌ๊ณ  ์˜ค๋ž˜๋œ ๋‡Œ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์ฃ .
06:06
to rationalize anything we want to rationalize.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•ฉ๋ฆฌํ™”์‹œํ‚ค๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ํ•ฉ๋ฆฌํ™”ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ์š”.
06:08
We're not really like Vulcans like Mr. Spock,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฒŒ์ปจ์— ์‚ฌ๋Š” ์ŠคํŒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
06:12
we're more like bold cowboys like Captain Kirk,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ปคํฌ ์„ ์žฅ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์ด ๋Œ€๋‹ดํ•œ ์นด์šฐ๋ณด์ด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
06:15
or passionate idealists like Dr. McCoy.
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๋งฅ์ฝ”์ด ๋ฐ•์‚ฌ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์—ด์ •์ ์ธ ์ด์ƒ์ฃผ์˜์ž์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:19
OK, for those of y'all who prefer the new "Star Trek" crew,
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์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ์Šคํƒ€ ํŠธ๋ ‰์„ ์„ ํ˜ธํ•˜์‹œ๋Š” ๋ถ„๋“ค์„ ์œ„ํ•ด
06:22
here you go.
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์—ฌ๊น„์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:23
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
06:24
JB: Don't forget the strong women!
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์กฐ์•ˆ ๋ธ”๋ ˆ์ด์ฆˆ: ๊ฐ•์ธํ–ˆ๋˜ ์—ฌ์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋„ ์žŠ์ง€ ๋งˆ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค!
06:26
JG: Come on, strong women. OK.
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์กด ๊ฒŒ์ด๋ธ”: ์ด๋ฆฌ์˜ค์„ธ์š”. ๊ฐ•์ธํ•œ ์—ฌ์„ฑ์ด์—ฌ. ๋„ค.
06:28
JB: All right.
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์กฐ์•ˆ ๋ธ”๋ ˆ์ด์ฆˆ: ์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:29
John and I are both "Star Trek" fans.
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์กฐ์•ˆ ๋ธ”๋ ˆ์ด์ฆˆ์™€ ์ €๋Š” ๋ชจ๋‘ "์Šคํƒ€ ํŠธ๋ ‰" ํŒฌ๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:31
What's not to love about a future with that kind of optimism?
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ํฌ๋ง์— ๊ฐ€๋“ ์ฐฌ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ์ด์œ ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
06:36
JG: And having a good future in mind is a big deal -- very important.
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์กด ๊ฒŒ์ด๋ธ”: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํฌ๋ง์ฐฌ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜๋ฅผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค--๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:40
And understanding what the problem is is very important.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ์•„๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๋˜ํ•œ ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:42
But we have to do something.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:44
So what do we do?
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06:45
It's actually not that hard.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ ์–ด๋ ต์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:46
We have to add diversity to our lives --
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์‚ถ์— ๋‹ค์–‘์„ฑ์„ ์ฒจ๊ฐ€ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:48
not just information, but relationship diversity.
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์ •๋ณด๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ๊ด€๊ณ„์˜ ๋‹ค์–‘์„ฑ์ด์š”.
06:52
And by diversity, I mean big "D" diversity,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋‹ค์–‘์„ฑ์€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ๋‹ค์–‘์„ฑ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:54
not just racial and gender, which are very important,
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์ธ์ข…๊ณผ ์„ฑ๋ณ„์˜ ๋‹ค์–‘์„ฑ๋„ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:57
but also ...
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ...
06:59
diversity of age, like young and old;
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๋‚˜์ด์˜ ๋‹ค์–‘์„ฑ, ์ Š์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ๋‚˜์ด ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์ด์š”.
07:02
rural and urban;
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์ง€๋ฐฉ๊ณผ ๋„์‹œ
07:04
liberal and conservative;
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์ง„๋ณด์™€ ๋ณด์ˆ˜
07:07
in the US, Democrat and Republican.
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ๋Š” ๋ฏผ์ฃผ์ฃผ์˜์ž์™€ ๊ณตํ™”์ฃผ์˜์ž์ฃ .
07:10
Now, one of the great examples of somebody freeing themselves
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์ด์ œ, ์ž๊ธฐ ์ž์‹ ์„ ํ•ด๋ฐฉ์‹œํ‚ค๊ณ 
07:13
from their filter bubbles
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๋ณธ์ธ๋“ค์˜ ํ•„ํ„ฐ๊ฑฐํ’ˆ์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚˜์„œ
07:14
and getting a more diverse life
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๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์‚ฌ๋Š” ์ข‹์€ ์˜ˆ๋Š”
07:16
is, once again, next to me -- Joan.
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์ œ ์˜†์— ์žˆ๋Š”, ์กด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:19
JB: So the question is:
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์กด ๊ฒŒ์ด๋ธ”: ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€
07:21
Who among you has had relationships lost or harmed
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„ ์ค‘์—์„œ ๊ด€๊ณ„๊ฐ€
07:25
due to differences in politics, religion or whatever?
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์ •์น˜๋‚˜ ์ข…๊ต์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ด์œ  ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์†Œ์›ํ•ด์ง€๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋Š๊ธด ์ ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
07:29
Raise your hands.
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์†์„ ๋“ค์–ด๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
07:31
Yeah.
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๋„ค.
07:33
This year I have talked to so many people
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์˜ฌํ•ด ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ํ•œ
07:35
that have experienced that kind of loss.
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๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:41
I've seen tears well up in people's eyes as they talk about family members
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์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ถ„๋“ค์ด ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:45
from whom they're estranged.
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์ด์ œ ๋ฉ€์–ด์ง„ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ์š”.
07:48
Living Room Conversations were designed
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๊ฑฐ์‹ค ๋Œ€ํ™”๋Š”
07:51
to begin to heal political and personal differences.
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์ •์น˜์™€ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ์ฐจ์ด์ ์„ ์น˜์œ ํ•˜๋„๋ก ์„ค๊ณ„๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:57
They're simple conversations
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๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•œ ๋Œ€ํ™” ๊ตฌ์กฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:59
where two friends with different viewpoints each invite two friends
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‘ ์นœ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ์ž 2๋ช…์˜ ์นœ๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ์ดˆ๋Œ€ํ•ด
08:04
for structured conversation,
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์ฒด๊ณ„์ ์ธ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
08:05
where everyone's agreed to some simple ground rules:
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๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•œ ๊ทœ์น™๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ ๋™์˜ํ•˜์ฃ .
08:08
curiosity, listening, respect, taking turns --
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ํ˜ธ๊ธฐ์‹ฌ, ๊ฒฝ์ฒญ, ์กด์ค‘๊ณผ ๋งํ•  ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€๋ฉด์„œ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ--
08:12
everything we learned in kindergarten, right?
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์œ ์น˜์›์—์„œ ๋ฐฐ์› ๋˜ ๊ฑฐ์ฃ ?
08:14
Really easy.
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๋งค์šฐ ์‰ฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:16
So by the time you're talking about the topic you've agreed to talk about,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค์ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ ์ž ํ•ฉ์˜ํ•œ ์ฃผ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ•  ๋•Œ
08:20
you actually have the sense that,
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ๋“œ์‹ค ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:22
"You know, I kind of like this person,"
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"์ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“œ๋Š”๋ฐ."
08:24
and you listen to each other differently.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ์„œ๋กœ๋ฅผ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ด€์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋“ค์„ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:26
That's kind of a human condition;
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์ด๊ฑด ์ธ๊ฐ„์˜ ๋ณธ์„ฑ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:28
we listen differently to people we care about.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋ผ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ๋“ค๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:31
And then there's reflection
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋•Œ ์ž์‹ ์„ ๋’ค๋Œ์•„๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ณ 
08:33
and possibly next steps.
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๋‹ค์Œ๋‹จ๊ณ„๋กœ ์ „์ง„ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:36
This is a deep listening practice;
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๊นŠ์€ ๊ฒฝ์ฒญ ์—ฐ์Šต์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:38
it's never a debate.
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๋…ผ์Ÿ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:41
And that's incredibly powerful.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:43
These conversations in our own living rooms
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฑฐ์‹ค์—์„œ
08:47
with people who have different viewpoints
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‹œ๊ฐ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋Š” ๋Œ€ํ™”๋“ค์€
08:50
are an incredible adventure.
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์œ„๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ชจํ—˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:52
We rediscover that we can respect and even love people
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์™€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„
08:55
that are different from us.
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์กด์ค‘ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ๊นจ๋‹ซ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:58
And it's powerful.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:01
JG: So, what are you curious about?
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์กด ๊ฒŒ์ด๋ธ”: ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•˜์‹ ๊ฐ€์š”?
09:04
JB: What's the conversation you yearn to have?
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์กฐ์•ˆ ๋ธ”๋ ˆ์ด์ฆˆ: ์–ด๋–ค ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์œผ์‹ ๊ฐ€์š”?
09:07
JG: Let's do this together.
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์กด ๊ฒŒ์ด๋ธ”: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ™์ด ํ•ฉ์‹œ๋‹ค.
09:09
Together.
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๊ฐ™์ด์š”.
09:10
JB: Yes.
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์ œ์ด๋น„: ๋„ค.
09:11
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
09:12
(Applause)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
09:15
JB and JG: Thank you.
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์กฐ์•ˆ ๋ธ”๋ ˆ์ด์ฆˆ์™€ ์กด ๊ฒŒ์ด๋ธ” : ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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