Can AI Catch What Doctors Miss? | Eric Topol | TED

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I've had the real fortune of working at Scripps Research
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for the last 17 years.
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It's the largest nonprofit biomedical institution in the country.
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And I've watched some of my colleagues,
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who have spent two to three years
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to define the crystal 3-D structure of a protein.
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Well, now that can be done in two or three minutes.
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And that's because of the work of AlphaFold,
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which is a derivative of DeepMind, Demis Hassabis and John Jumper,
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recognized by the American Nobel Prize in September.
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What's interesting, this work,
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which is taking the amino acid sequence in one dimension
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and predicting the three-dimensional protein at atomic level,
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[has] now inspired many other of these protein structure prediction models,
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as well as RNA and antibodies,
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and even being able to pick up all the missense mutations in the genome,
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and even being able to come up wit proteins
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that have never been invented before, that don't exist in nature.
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Now, the only thing I think about this is it was a transformer model,
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we'll talk about that in a moment,
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in this award, since Demis and John
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and their team of 30 scientists
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don't understand how the transformer model works,
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shouldn't the AI get an asterisk as part of that award?
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I'm going to switch from life science,
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which has been the singular biggest contribution just reviewed,
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to medicine.
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And in the medical community,
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the thing that we don't talk much about are diagnostic medical errors.
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And according to the National Academy of Medicine,
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all of us will experience at least one in our lifetime.
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And we know from a recent Johns Hopkins study
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that these errors have led to 800,000 Americans dead
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or seriously disabled each year.
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So this is a big problem.
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And the question is, can AI help us?
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And you keep hearing about the term “precision medicine.”
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Well, if you keep making the same mistake over and over again, that's very precise.
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(Laughter)
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We don't need that,
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we need accuracy and precision medicine.
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So can we get there?
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Well, this is a picture of the retina.
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And this was the first major hint,
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training 100,000 images with supervised learning.
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Could the machine see things that people couldn't see?
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And so the question was, to the retinal experts,
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is this from a man or a woman?
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And the chance of getting it accurate was 50 percent.
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(Laughter)
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But the AI got it right, 97 percent.
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So that training,
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the features are not even fully defined of how that was possible.
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Well that gets then to all of medical images.
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This is just representative, the chest X-ray.
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And in fact with the chest X-ray,
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the ability here for the AI to pick up,
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the radiologists, expert radiologists missing the nodule,
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which turned out to be picked up by the AI as cancerous,
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and this is, of course, representative of all of medical scans,
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whether it’s CT scans, MRI, ultrasound.
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That through supervised learning of large, labeled, annotated data sets,
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we can see AI do at least as well, if not better,
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than expert physicians.
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And 21 randomized trials of picking up polyps --
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machine vision during colonoscopy -- have all shown
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that polyps are picked up better
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with the aid of machine vision than by the gastroenterologist alone,
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especially as the day goes on, later in the day, interestingly.
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We don't know whether picking up all these additional polyps
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changes the natural history of cancers,
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but it tells you about machine eyes,
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the power of machine eyes.
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Now that was interesting.
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But now still with deep learning models, not transformer models,
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we've seen and learned that the ability
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for computer vision to pick up things that human eyes can't see
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is quite remarkable.
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Here's the retina.
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Picking up the control of diabetes and blood pressure.
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Kidney disease.
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Liver and gallbladder disease.
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The heart calcium score,
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which you would normally get through a scan of the heart.
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Alzheimer's disease before any clinical symptoms have been manifest.
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Predicting heart attacks and strokes.
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Hyperlipidemia.
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And seven years before any symptoms of Parkinson's disease,
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to pick that up.
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Now this is interesting because in the future,
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we'll be taking pictures of our retina at checkups.
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This is the gateway to almost every system in the body.
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It's really striking.
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And we'll come back to this because each one of these studies
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was done with tens or hundreds [of] thousands of images
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with supervised learning,
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and they’re all separate studies by different investigators.
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Now, as a cardiologist, I love to read cardiograms.
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I've been doing it for over 30 years.
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But I couldn't see these things.
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Like, the age and the sex of the patient,
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or the ejection fraction of the heart,
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making difficult diagnoses that are frequently missed.
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The anemia of the patient, that is, the hemoglobin to the decimal point.
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Predicting whether a person,
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who's never had atrial fibrillation or stroke
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from the ECG,
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whether that's going to likely occur.
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Diabetes, a diagnosis of diabetes and prediabetes, from the cardiogram.
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The filling pressure of the heart.
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Hypothyroidism
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and kidney disease.
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Imagine getting an electrocardiogram to tell you about all these other things,
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not really so much about the heart.
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Then there's the chest X-ray.
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Who would have guessed that we could accurately determine
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the race of the patient,
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no less the ethical implications of that,
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from a chest X-ray through machine eyes?
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And interestingly, picking up the diagnosis of diabetes,
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as well as how well the diabetes is controlled,
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through the chest X-ray.
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And of course, so many different parameters about the heart,
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which we could never,
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radiologists or cardiologists, could never be able to come up
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with what machine vision can do.
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Pathologists often argue about a slide,
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about what does it really show?
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But with this ability of machine eyes,
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the driver genomic mutations of the cancer can be defined,
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no less the structural copy number variants
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that are accounting or present in that tumor.
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Also, where is that tumor coming from?
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For many patients, we don’t know.
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But it can be determined through AI.
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And also the prognosis of the patient,
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just from the slide,
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by all of the training.
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Again, this is all just convolutional neural networks,
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not transformer models.
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So when we go from the deep neural networks to transformer models,
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this classic pre-print,
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one of the most cited pre-prints ever,
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"Attention is All You Need,"
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the ability to now be able to look at many more items,
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whether it be language or images,
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and be able to put this in context,
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setting up a transformational progress in many fields.
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The prototype is, the outgrowth of this is GPT-4.
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With over a trillion connections.
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Our human brain has 100 trillion connections or parameters.
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But one trillion,
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just think of all the information, knowledge,
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that's packed into those one trillion.
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And interestingly, this is now multimodal with language, with images,
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with speech.
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And it involves a massive amount of graphic processing units.
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And it's with self-supervised learning,
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which is a big bottleneck in medicine
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because we can't get experts to label images.
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This can be done with self-supervised learning.
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So what does this set up in medicine?
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It sets up, for example, keyboard liberation.
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The one thing that both doctors, clinicians
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and patients would like to see.
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Everyone hates being data clerks as clinicians,
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and patients would like to see their doctor
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when they finally have the visit they've waited for a long time.
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So the ability to change the face-to-face contact
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is just one step along the way.
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By having the liberation from keyboards with synthetic notes
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that are driven, derived from the conversation,
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and then all the downstream normal data clerk functions that are done,
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often off-hours.
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Now we're seeing in health systems across the United States
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where people, physicians are saving many hours of time
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and heading towards ultimately keyboard liberation.
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We recently published, with the group at Moorfields Eye Institute,
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led by Pearse Keane,
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the first foundation model in medicine from the retina.
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And remember those eight different things that were all done by separate studies?
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This was all done with one model.
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This is with 1.6 million retinal images
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predicting all these different outcome likelihoods.
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And this is all open-source,
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which is of course really important that others can build on these models.
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Now I just want to review a couple of really interesting patients.
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Andrew, who is now six years old.
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He had three years of relentlessly increasing pain, arrested growth.
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His gait suffered with a dragging of his left foot,
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he had severe headaches.
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He went to 17 doctors over three years.
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His mother then entered all his symptoms into ChatGPT.
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It made the diagnosis of occulta spina bifida,
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which meant he had a tethered spinal cord that was missed by all 17 doctors
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over three years.
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He had surgery to release the cord.
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He's now perfectly healthy.
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(Applause)
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This is a patient that was sent to me,
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who was suffering with, she was told, long COVID.
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She saw many different physicians, neurologists,
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and her sister entered all her symptoms after getting nowhere,
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no treatment for long COVID,
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there is no treatment validated,
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and her sister put all her symptoms into ChatGPT.
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It found out it actually was not long COVID,
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she had limbic encephalitis, which is treatable.
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She was treated, and now she's doing extremely well.
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But these are not just anecdotes anymore.
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70 very difficult cases
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that are the clinical pathologic conferences
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at the New England Journal of Medicine
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were compared to GPT-4,
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and the chatbot did as well
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or better than the expert master clinicians
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in making the diagnosis.
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So I just want to close with a recent conversation with my fellow.
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Medicine is still an apprenticeship,
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and Andrew Cho is 30 years old,
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in his second year of cardiology fellowship.
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We see all patients together in the clinic.
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And at the end of clinic the other day,
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I sat down and said to him,
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"Andrew, you are so lucky.
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You're going to be practicing medicine in an era of keyboard liberation.
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You're going to be connecting with patients
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the way we haven't done for decades."
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That is the ability to have the note
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and the work from the conversation
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to derive things like pre-authorization,
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billing, prescriptions, future appointments --
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all the things that we do,
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including nudges to the patient.
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For example, did you get your blood pressure checks
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and what did they show
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and all that coming back to you.
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But much more than that,
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to help with making diagnoses.
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And the gift of time
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that having all the data of a patient
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that's all teed up before even seeing the patient.
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And all this support changes the future of the patient-doctor relationship,
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bringing in the gift of time.
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So this is really exciting.
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I said to Andrew, everything has to be validated, of course,
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that the benefit greatly outweighs any risk.
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But it is really a remarkable time for the future of health care,
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it's so damn exciting.
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Thank you.
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(Applause)
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