How to Prevent — or Stop — a War | Gabrielle Rifkind | TED

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I have worked in international conflict resolution
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for the past two decades.
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I am not a pacifist,
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but in the end, war is the greatest human rights abuse
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and does not make the world safer.
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We think we go to war for good moral reasons.
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We're fighting for good to triumph over evil.
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Instead, we unleash a cascade
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of chaos and misery.
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In the 21st century,
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the United States,
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along with its allies and my country, the United Kingdom,
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have been involved in four major wars:
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Afghanistan, Iraq,
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Libya, Islamic State.
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And we have provided funding
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and supplied military equipment to Ukraine and Israel.
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So let's consider the outcome of some of these wars.
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The Afghan war was a 20-year war,
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and we left the Taliban in power.
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The war in Iraq,
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we had an immediate military victory,
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which was short-lived, civil war
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and contributed to the war in Syria.
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The war in Libya unleashed chaos and violence in the Sahel region.
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The war against Islamic State weakened it militarily,
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but none of the root causes were dealt with.
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All of you in the audience
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know war is horrendous,
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but maybe many of you believe that it is inevitable.
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I would like to persuade you today
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that there are many things that we can do.
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Even if we commit to arming countries militarily like porcupines.
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We can commit ourselves to war prevention,
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early mediation
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and getting into the mind of the enemy.
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I direct the Oxford Process.
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It's a conflict resolution organization,
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and what we try and do is create back channels
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to the political leadership at the highest levels
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of those who are in positions of power
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and can decide the future of the outcome of the war.
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I come from a group psychoanalytic background,
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but I'm passionately committed to putting together the human mind
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and geopolitics, its power relationships
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and what does and doesn’t lead to war.
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We know marginalization,
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humiliation and exclusion are some of the key drivers of war.
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We also know that war dehumanizes people.
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Some of the conflicts I've worked on are the Palestine-Israel,
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the Iranian nuclear issue and now the Russia-Ukraine war.
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So what can we do to prevent war?
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We need to address the security concerns of all sides,
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not just our own security.
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Russia invaded Crimea in 2014
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and then all of Ukraine in 2022.
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It was morally justified for us to support a country
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whose sovereignty had been breached.
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But now, hundreds of thousands of people are dead and wounded.
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And we do have to ask,
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what else could we have done?
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President Putin warned that if NATO edged up on the Russian border,
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war would be the result.
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In 2008,
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President Bush stated Ukraine would join NATO.
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Germany and France pushed back
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as they knew it would create a new crisis between Russia and the West.
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Would the US have tolerated a hostile military presence on its border
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in Mexico and Canada?
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We might have avoided this war
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if we'd addressed the security concerns both of Russia and Europe,
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and established a common European security architecture
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before the war,
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and it will need to happen afterwards.
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Western governments
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could have played more of a mediating role
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supporting Ukraine to be a bridge between east and west,
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not just encouraging Ukraine into our zone of interest.
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Ukraine has difficult geography.
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It will always need to find a way to coexist with its Russian neighbor.
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What else could we do?
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We need to come off our moral pedestal
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and stop deciding what is good and evil.
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We need to talk to the bad guys,
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the men of violence, if we are to end war.
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We understood we had to talk to the IRA in Northern Ireland,
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FARC in Colombia and ETA in the Basque Country.
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But usually we want to speak to the good guys, the people like us,
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the people in gray suits.
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Back in 2001, after the Afghan war,
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and as part of the Bonn peace process,
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if we had brought the Taliban in when they were weaker,
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things may have looked different.
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Western governments, including the US and the UK,
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refused to talk to President Assad.
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They said it was talking to evil.
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By not talking to him,
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we created a greater evil
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as thousands and thousands more people died.
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Today, many of you will have the Ukraine-Russia war
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and Hamas-Israel on your minds, and what can be done.
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This is the work Oxford Process does quietly behind the scenes
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to explore where there are opportunities to end war.
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But it requires the blessings of Western governments,
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and they often don't have an exit plan.
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To end the war in Ukraine,
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we will need to talk to President Putin.
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We will need to understand his red lines, what his endgame is,
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what opportunities there are for a ceasefire.
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After the heinous massacre of 7 October,
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engaging with Hamas is unthinkable
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to many Israelis.
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Following the terrible carnage in Gaza,
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Hamas has even more support
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and will need to be included in some kind of future process.
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Now both sides have dehumanized each other.
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One way through is the release of Marwan Barghouti,
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a Palestinian leader who has spent the last two decades in an Israeli prison.
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He supports a future Palestinian state sitting side by side with Israel,
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and he has the leadership qualities to unite the Palestinian people,
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which will be essential.
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For some, he's the new Mandela.
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For others, he has blood on his hands.
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In war, everybody has blood on their hands.
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(Applause)
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The Americans are now talking about a two-state solution,
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which would involve normalization between Saudi Arabia and Israel.
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And yet again,
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we cannot just speak to our friends and exclude our enemies.
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And Iran and its allies will only sabotage the process.
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Each one of you here today wants to make a difference.
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But we can feel small
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and impotent in the face of war.
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But how we behave individually
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is a microcosm of how we behave in war.
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None of us like to engage with people who think differently to us.
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We all divide the world into good and evil.
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People we want to talk to and people we don't.
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But we need to engage with everybody
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and understand the radical differences
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that exist between us.
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And we need to start today.
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What else can we do?
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We need to act early
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and put in place early mediating processes.
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In war, there's an opportunity for mediation.
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In some wars, when the parties are on the precipice
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and they're more open to compromise.
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Then there's a second opportunity
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when they've tested their battlefield strength
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and realized they have not achieved their original objectives.
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When these opportunities are missed,
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the parties become hardened by the horrors and trauma of war.
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They believe they have sacrificed too much
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to compromise and make peace.
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So what can we do to make these ideas real?
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Today, the UN is a weakened institution,
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and many have lost faith in it.
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But if we're to be serious about peacemaking,
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we will need to strengthen it again.
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One way through is to empower the UN
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to have statutory early mediation
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when countries are on the edge of tipping to war.
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And then three months later,
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when they've tested their battlefield strength.
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The UN would also appoint permanent war prevention teams
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embedded in the countries at risk of going to war,
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high-level mediators and permanent peace tables.
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We would establish them in such areas as Sudan,
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Pakistan-India, Taiwan-China,
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Palestine-Israel, the US-China.
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We would be committed to prevention and early intervention.
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(Applause)
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So in conclusion,
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liberal democracies should see themselves
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first and foremost as mediators and bridge builders
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and help countries manage their radical differences.
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Not the world's self-appointed policeman or supplier of weapons.
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Instead of providing drones and missiles,
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we could contribute more resources and expertise to mediation
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and peacemaking.
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We would put all our passions and pragmatism
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into avoiding war.
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War is like a cancer.
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It spreads quickly.
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Once it has progressed far enough,
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nobody knows how to stop it.
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Treat it quickly, even prevent it,
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millions of lives can be saved.
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We behave as if war is inevitable.
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It is not.
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Thank you, my friends.
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(Applause)
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