Nature, Art and Magical Blocks of Flying Concrete | Lonneke Gordijn | TED

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翻译人员: 子晗 黄 校对人员: suya f.
00:04
When I look at a flower,
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看到一朵花时,
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I don't see just a beautiful object to put in a vase.
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我看到的不只是可以 插到花瓶的美丽物件,
00:10
I see an intelligent organism that is not still.
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而是一个动态的有灵的生物。
00:14
Perhaps it just opened its petals to discover light for the first time.
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或许它刚刚展开花瓣, 第一次见到阳光。
00:18
Or maybe it's at the end of its period,
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或许它即将凋零,
00:21
desperately blossoming to attract a bee and get pollinated.
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正绝望地试图吸引蜜蜂为它授粉。
00:25
As humans, we innately respond to the blooming of a flower.
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作为人类,我们本能地 会对花开作出反应。
00:30
But how do we design this exact feeling?
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但我们如何设计出这种确切的感觉?
00:33
How can we capture this visceral response in people?
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我们如何捕捉这种本能反应?
00:38
I co-founded an artistic practice to tap the mysteries of this world,
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我联合创办了一个艺术工作室 来探索世界的秘密,
00:43
not by studying, but by making.
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不是通过研究,而是通过创造。
00:46
We called our studio "Drift"
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我们的工作室名为“漂流”。
00:48
and wondered why almost everything that is made by people is static.
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我们想知道,为什么几乎所有人 造的东西都是静态的,
00:53
Because nature is never static.
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明明自然从不是静态的。
00:56
Our mission is informed by nature,
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我们的任务由自然而来,
00:58
and evolution is our process.
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过程中我们不断进化。
01:01
That means we try and fail,
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我们尝试,然后失败,
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make thousands of iterations before we succeed.
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进行了数千次迭代,直至成功。
01:08
In 2006,
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2006年,
01:10
when the studio was still the two of us,
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那时工作室只有我和另一位创始人,
01:12
I had an idea.
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我有了一个想法,
01:15
How cool would it be
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一个很酷的想法:
01:17
if suddenly little lights would flow down from the ceiling,
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让小小的光从天花板突然落下,
01:21
opening and closing, interacting with us like flowers?
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时开时合,像花朵一样跟人互动。
01:27
I was longing for this feeling to feel present and in the moment,
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我一直渴望能够体验 活在当下的感觉,
01:31
the way how I feel when I walk in a forest.
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正如我漫步森林时一样。
01:34
The idea was maybe impractical
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这个想法或许不切实际,
01:36
because to make movement, we probably had to work with motors and software
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因为想要做出运动的效果, 需要使用马达和软件,
01:41
and other tools and knowledge that we didn't have.
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还有其他工具和知识, 我们没有这些。
01:44
So we decided to start this project.
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但我们还是决定开始这个项目。
01:47
In two weeks of kit bashing vacuum cleaner parts
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我们花了两个星期改装吸尘器零件,
01:50
and folding paper patterns,
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折纸模型。
01:52
we have barely something moving, but it was our deadline,
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做出来的东西勉强能动, 但是时间已经到了,
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so we brought our drafts to a local exhibition.
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所以我们把未完成的作品 带到了一个当地的展览。
02:00
To our surprise,
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出人意料的是,
02:02
the shy opening and proudly descending creatures
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这些轻轻展开、 随后骄傲地下降的小东西,
02:06
immediately drew attention.
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立刻得到了关注。
02:08
People responded to them with wonder and a smile on their face,
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人们惊奇地看着,脸上露出笑容,
02:13
almost as if there was a puppy in the room.
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好像面前是一条小狗一样。
02:16
And we thought it was quite cool
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我们觉得这很酷,
02:18
that with our art we could change people’s behavior.
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我们的作品能影响人们的行为,
02:21
So we decided to explore this further.
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所以我们决定继续探索。
02:25
Project "Shylight" became a process of years.
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项目“含羞灯”持续了很多年。
02:29
Coming from art school with no technical background,
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我们毕业于艺术学院, 没有技术背景,
02:32
we had to learn to build control boards, develop programming software,
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需要学着建控制板, 开发软件工程,
02:37
make mechanics move in an organic way with gravity and complex silk patterns.
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让机器的运动跟重力 和复杂的丝绸花样有机结合。
02:42
Basically, we had to become engineers, programmers,
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可以说,我们需要同时成为
02:46
seamstresses and choreographers at the same time.
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工程师、程序员、 裁缝和舞蹈编导。
02:51
But how do you express a motion
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但是如何能够通过
02:54
between an acceleration factor and a coordinate?
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一个加速度和一个坐标表达运动呢?
02:58
Here is where we learned the most important thing.
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这里我们学到了最重要的一点。
03:01
(Music)
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(音乐)
03:12
It's not about that it moves.
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重点不是动起来,
03:16
It's about how it moves.
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而是如何动。
03:18
Our body responds automatically to certain types of movement,
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人的身体会自动对
03:23
movement we already know from nature.
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一些自然界有的运动作出反应,
03:26
Rhythms that are programmed deep within us.
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这些韵律存在于人的内心深处。
03:35
We are designed to be in a constant
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人类天生就是要与环境
03:37
and dynamic interaction with our environment.
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不断地、动态地互动。
03:40
There are numerous phenomena in nature that are super inspiring.
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自然界中有数不清 的现象启发着我们,
03:45
But perhaps the most intriguing
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但我觉得最有趣
03:47
and relevant animal behavior to me is murmuration.
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也是最相关的动物行为是群飞。
03:51
Imagine thousands of individuals going places together,
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想象一下,上千人一起去 同一个地方,
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with no clear leader,
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没有领导者,
03:58
without fighting,
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不会打架,
04:00
still following their impulses and avoiding each other.
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听从直觉,避免撞到其他人。
04:04
Isn't this amazing?
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难道不神奇吗?
04:07
Because we are not capable of doing this.
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因为人类无法做到这些。
04:10
So dreaming big, we had this other idea.
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大胆地想,我们有了另一个想法:
04:14
How cool would it be if we could create a murmuration
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如果能够创造一场群飞,
04:19
with hundreds of lights flying in the sky,
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让上百个光点在空中飞翔,
04:23
responding to each other as birds?
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像鸟一样互相应和该多酷啊。
04:26
Well, you would think you could hang a light under a drone.
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你可能会想, 可以把灯安在无人机上。
04:30
But back in 2008, drones didn't really exist yet in the way they are today.
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但在2008年,无人机 跟现在大不一样。
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Universities were testing, in an early stage, quadcopters.
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各个大学的四轴飞行器 仍在早期测试阶段。
04:39
And in our search for collaborations and technologies
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我们联系了很多组织和科技公司,
04:43
to help get all these objects in the sky at the same time,
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寻找能让很多飞行器 一起升空的机器,
04:47
we didn't find anything.
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但没有找到。
04:50
We were just way too early.
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我们的想法来得太早了。
04:52
But we were so excited about this idea.
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但我们对这个主意 非常有热情,
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We just had to do this project.
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决心要完成这个项目。
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Not knowing that we would plant a seed
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当时的我们不知道我们埋下的种子,
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for what almost ten years later is becoming an industry.
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十年后几乎创造了一个产业。
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In our software development,
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我觉得我们的软件设计
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I think this was quite a unique process.
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是一个很独特的过程。
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Different engineers basing their code on scientific data,
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工程师根据科学数据写代码,
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we developed our software as artists
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而作为艺术家,我们开发软件,
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by observing swarms for hours and hours.
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通过长时间观察鸟群,
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Not calculating but relating to the behavior of these birds.
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不是计算,而是去感受鸟的行为。
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It was incredible how many uncontrollable factors were influencing their choices.
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令我惊叹的是,鸟群的选择 受太多不可控制因素的影响。
05:33
But it also made me realize, and it was eye-opening actually,
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这开阔了我的眼界,也让我意识到,
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that also this happens to me.
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我的生活也是如此,
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I don't have control over my life.
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我无法掌控生活。
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With a computer, of course,
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当然,通过电脑
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you can test multiple scenarios without big consequences.
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可以测试各种可能性, 不用承担后果,
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But of course, this was not the physical reality.
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但测试不是现实。
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Well, imagine how excited we were
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想象一下将近十年之后,
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when almost ten years later this was no longer software.
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这个项目不再局限于软件时, 我们多么激动。
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(Video) Ralph Nauta: OK, this is a test one.
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(视频)Ralph Nauta: 第一次测试。
06:03
Lonneke Gordijn: There they were, drones,
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像这样,无人机
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one by one, appearing in the sky.
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一个接一个出现在空中,
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Slowly starting to swarm.
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缓慢地开始成群。
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We were observing it.
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我们观察着,
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We were feeling it.
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感受着,
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And we felt nothing.
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却什么也感觉不到。
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Nothing.
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完全没有。
06:26
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
06:27
No emotional response.
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没有情感波动。
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We remained blanco.
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我们无动于衷。
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What?
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怎么会呢?
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On a computer, it looked great.
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在电脑上,一切都很完美,
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But this swarm looked way too technical.
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但无人机群看起来太机械了。
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And we had to go back and let nature be our teacher
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我们不得不回头, 让自然当我们的老师,
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because we were fighting the nature of our technology.
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因为我们对抗的是技术的天性。
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Well, in a creative process, you try, you fail, you start over again.
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创作过程中,你尝试、 失败、重新开始,
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You change direction.
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你转变方向,
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Like evolution and like murmuration.
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就像进化和群飞一样。
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And you're not in control,
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你说了不算,
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but you have to pave the road
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但你得把路铺好,
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in this constant and dynamic relationship with whatever that happens.
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与发生的任何事情 建立持续动态的关系。
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You know when it's right, when you feel it.
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当你做对了,你能够感觉得到。
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You feel when the connection is made.
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感觉到联结建立起来了。
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So in 2018, we finally took our artwork to Burning Man.
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2018年,我们终于 把作品带到了火人节上。
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(Music)
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(音乐)
07:22
The drones took off.
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无人机飞起来了,
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And it was magic.
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像魔法一样。
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The swarm, larger than a building, was murmuring over the desert.
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比一栋楼还大的无人机 群在沙漠上飞行,
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It wasn't a sculpture or a performance.
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这不是一个雕塑或一场表演,
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It was something bigger.
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是更宏大的东西,
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It became an environment that impacted the audience
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它成为了一个以同样的方式
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all at once in the same way.
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影响到所有在场观众的环境。
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And together with the music,
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伴随着音乐,
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everyone melted into one energy.
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每个人都融入到了同一种能量中。
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People were crying.
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有人哭了,
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I was crying.
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我也哭了。
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It was powerful.
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非常有感染力。
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And this experience connected all the present elements
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这次经历把那一刻在场的所有元素,
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in that one moment.
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都联系到了一起,
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And it felt like a collective memory that came from deep within our DNA.
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就好像深埋在我们DNA中 的集体记忆浮现出来。
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(Music)
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(音乐)
08:27
In nature, every environment --
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在自然界,所有环境
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(Applause)
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(掌声)
08:30
Thank you.
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谢谢
08:31
(Applause)
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(掌声)
08:35
In nature, every environment is constantly moving.
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在自然界,所有环境都不断变化。
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And an animal doesn't know what it will eat tonight or at what time,
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动物不知道它今晚吃什么, 什么时候吃,
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but it will be present in the moment,
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但它活在当下,
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ready to adapt to whatever is happening.
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准备好接受生活的一切。
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So why are human-built environments static?
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为什么人造的环境就是静态的呢?
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Nothing moves.
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一切都不动。
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Do we realize that this also stops us from moving?
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我们有没有意识到 这也让我们不再运动了?
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Did we unlearn to deal with change?
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我们是后天失去了应对变化的能力吗?
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Is this why we stopped noticing our environment?
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是因此我们才不再关注环境了吗?
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And is this maybe why we don't respond to climate change,
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或许因此我们才没有应对气候变化,
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and we feel numb while this is actually happening?
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气变正在发生,我们却无动于衷。
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Behind me, you'll see a block of concrete.
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在我身后,是一块水泥。
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I don't know if you noticed it before.
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不知道你们之前留意到没有。
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But how do you feel about a block of concrete?
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一块水泥会给你什么样的感受呢?
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Is it necessary to feel anything at all?
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我们真的能有感受吗?
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Because it's just a block of concrete.
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不过是一块水泥而已。
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We are so used to be part of a static world
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我们习惯了做静态世界的一部分,
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with concrete as its main character.
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水泥所代表的具象是世界的主体。
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But this shouldn't be our world.
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但世界不应该是这样。
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This is how we used to think,
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我们以前这样认为,
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but this cannot be our future.
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但未来不应该如此。
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What can we learn if the world is not in our control?
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如果世界不归我们掌控, 我们能学到什么?
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What can we learn if we disrupt our expectations?
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如果抛弃固有的预期, 我们能学到什么?
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Well, at the moment the reality is just changing here in front of you.
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此时此刻,现实就在我们眼前变化。
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Can you accept what you see?
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你能接受自己看到的吗?
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And how does this feel?
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你感觉如何?
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Is it frightening?
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会害怕吗?
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Or can you feel a sense of wonder for a block of concrete?
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又或者,你会为了 一块水泥感觉惊奇?
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Can you imagine there would be a moment
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你能否想象,有一个时刻,
10:39
that you feel open
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你敞开心扉,
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to have a connection with a block of concrete?
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与一块水泥建立联结?
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(Cheers and applause)
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(欢呼和掌声)
11:05
How can we deal with a changing world?
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我们如何面对变化的世界?
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Are we in control?
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我们是世界的主人吗?
11:12
I never felt at home in the static world.
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身处静态的世界, 我一直觉得不自在。
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And since my childhood,
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从小时候开始,
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I felt that animal behavior and plant behavior
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我就觉得动物和植物的行为
11:22
is way more logical than the way people behave.
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比人类的更有逻辑。
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
11:38
As artists, we develop artworks
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作为艺术家,我们的作品
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that use movement to open us up
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使用运动让人们敞开心扉,
11:46
and make us feel safe to embrace change.
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不带恐惧地接纳变化。
11:50
Because there is one fact.
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因为事实是,
11:53
Change is coming.
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变化一定会来。
11:55
And we are not in control.
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我们无法掌控。
11:59
We are murmuring.
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我们在一起飞翔。
12:01
We are drifting.
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我们在漂流。
12:04
Thank you.
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谢谢。
12:05
(Cheers and applause)
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(欢呼和掌声)
12:21
Helen Walters: So don't worry, it'll be here all session.
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Helen Walters: 别担心,它会一直在这。
12:24
But just ...
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但是...
12:25
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
12:26
Lonneke, that was amazing.
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Lonneke,非常精彩的演讲。
12:29
I'm really sorry, you guys.
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不好意思大家,
12:31
It's on its way out, it's fine.
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它马上就飘走了,没事的。
12:34
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
12:35
Okay, so come over here.
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好,到这来吧。
12:37
Just as long as we're fine, that's fine.
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只要我们没事就可以。
12:41
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
12:42
LG: We're safe.
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LG: 我们很安全。
12:46
HW: What's happening?
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HW:这是怎么回事?
12:48
LG: Well ...
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LG: 嗯...
12:49
This drifter tries to find its way out.
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它想要逃走。
12:52
HW: It's trying to find its way out.
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HW:它想要逃走?
12:53
Is it sentient?
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它有感情了吗?
12:55
LG: Well, it should know where it goes.
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LG:它得知道自己要去哪,
12:57
So let's see.
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我们等着看吧。
12:59
HW: No, but really, what's happening?
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HW:不不,到底是怎么回事?
13:00
What is going on?
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这是怎么弄的?
13:02
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
13:03
LG: I mean,
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LG:怎么说呢,
13:04
this is kind of magic, I would say,
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这类似于一种魔法,
13:07
and a big piece of engineering for my colleagues
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能够实现靠的是我 的同事和各位工程师,
13:10
and amazing engineers that are making this happen.
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他们做了大量工作。
13:13
(Applause)
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(掌声)
13:15
Yeah.
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是的。
13:16
HW: OK, so, with this,
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HW:好的,那么
13:19
you basically just came to the TED stage
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你刚刚在TED讲台上的演讲,
13:21
and told a whole bunch of type-A people to cede control,
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可以说是在告诉一群 精英人士放弃控制,
13:26
to like, give up control.
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不要试图掌控世界。
13:28
Like, do you have any advice for how we should do that,
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你有没有具体怎么放弃控制的建议?
13:31
especially when there's something concrete floating over our heads?
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尤其是我们头上还飘着 一块水泥这样具体的东西。
13:35
No, but like, seriously, like, your work is about trial and error.
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严肃地说,你的工作是不断试错,
13:38
It's about experimentation.
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进行实验,
13:40
Do you have any tips for the rest of us?
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那么你对其余的人 有没有什么建议呢?
13:42
I mean, not me, but these guys.
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不光是我,我们的观众们。
13:43
LG: (Laughs)
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LG:(笑)
13:45
Well, I think it's an illusion that we have control.
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我觉得控制不过是一种错觉,
13:50
And if you look at nature, you see that it's also not there.
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看看自然界就知道, 控制本就是不存在的。
13:53
And I think we have to accept who we are,
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我觉得我们要接受自己是谁,
13:58
that we are not in control and that we need to change.
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接受我们不能控制一切, 而且需要改变。
14:00
You know, our bodies are made to change,
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我们身体就是会变化,
14:03
but we kind of forgot about it.
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但我们有时忘记了这点。
14:04
We built our safety structure around us, and we need to learn to go with it
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我们在周围建立防御结构, 但我们需要顺势而行,
14:09
and change with it as we are changing
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顺势做出改变,因为人是变化的,
14:12
and this world is changing.
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世界是变化的。
14:13
HW: Lonneke, thank you so much.
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HW:Lonneke, 非常感谢你的分享。
14:14
LG: Thank you very much.
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LG:谢谢。
14:16
(Applause)
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(掌声)
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