Luvvie Ajayi Jones: How to be a professional troublemaker | TED

Transcriber:

翻译人员: Tong Li 校对人员: Bruce Wang

Whitney Pennington Rodgers: Each of us, no matter who we are,

Whiteney Pennington Rodgers: 我们每一个人，无论是谁，

have dreams for ourselves.

都有自己的梦想。

and all of us also have fears.

我们每个人也会有自己的恐惧。

Luvvie Ajayi Jones has spent lots of time

Luvvie Ajayi Jones 花了许多时间

thinking about the intersection of these two things,

思考梦想与恐惧的交叉点。

namely, how you can overcome your fears to accomplish your dreams.

换句话说，也就是你如何才可以战胜 你的恐惧来实现你的梦想。

Here to break this all down for us is Luvvie Ajayi Jones.

Luvvie Ajayi Jones 今天将会 带着我们深入了解这个问题。

Welcome, Luvvie.

欢迎 Luvvie。

Luvvie Ajayi Jones: Hi!

Luvvie Ajayi Jones: 嗨！

WPR: Hi, Luvvie. How are you doing?

WPR: 嗨，Luvvie。你过得怎么样？

LAJ: Doing well. Doing well.

LAJ：我挺好的。

WPR: Why do you use the term "professional troublemaker"

WPR：你为什么用“专业捣乱鬼”

to describe yourself?

来形容你自己？

Why is that sort of the term that you've landed on

为什么你会选择这种术语

to define what you are, who you are?

来定义你是什么，是谁？

LAJ: Yeah. You know, some of us have been called troublemakers growing up.

LAJ：嗯，你知道我们很多人从小长大 都难免会被叫成捣蛋鬼。

When you are too loud in the class or, you know,

当你在班里面说话太大声， 或者，你也知道

your mom tells you to eat vegetables and you say no, and you're like,

当你的妈妈让你去吃蔬菜，但是你说不，

you're a troublemaker.

你就会觉得你是个捣蛋鬼。

I want to reclaim what that means.

我想要重新定义一下“捣蛋鬼”这个词。

I think about the late, great John Lewis,

我想到了伟大的John Lewis,

who said we have to be ready to make necessary trouble, good trouble,

他说我们需要准备好捣乱 闹事情，必要的乱和好的乱，

and really was the lens of: we are going to have to do things

真正的意思就是我们需要做一些

that are going to disrupt the status quo in this world.

将会打乱世界现状的事情。

If we're going to do anything of impact and of note

如果我们想要做任何有影响力的事情

and make any type of positive change,

并且能够有正面影响，

we are going to have to "make trouble."

我们就必须要”捣乱。”

And making trouble is not about being a contrarian randomly.

还有捣乱并不意味着 你一定要成为非主流反派。

It's not about being a troll.

这不是关于恶搞的。

It's not just simply because you want to make people uncomfortable.

这也不是仅仅因为你想要让别人不舒服

It's that, often,

那是，经常地，

when you are the person who thinks different from everybody else in the room,

当你想的不同于房间里任何其他人时

it does feel like trouble.

那确实感觉像“出问题了”

You know, when you are not going along with the group, it feels like trouble.

你知道，当你不随着大部队走的时候， 那感觉像是“出问题了”

But sometimes, it's actually what you need to do to not just honor yourself,

但有时候，那的确是你需要做的， 不仅是因为尊重自己

but honor the world and honor who you want to be.

更是尊重这个世界 和你想成为的人

So if making trouble looks like we actually end up being better off for it,

所以 如果“捣乱”实际上 可以让我们因此变得更好

then we have to make trouble.

那我们不得不去“捣乱”

I think it's an obligation for us to make trouble,

我认为“捣乱“对我们来说是一种责任

the type that leaves our kids better,

那种责任可以让我们的后代更好

that leaves the rooms that we are in elevated,

可以让我们所在之处有提升发展

the types that lets us be proud of ourselves.

那种责任让我们为自己感到自豪

Now, making trouble will not always go well, right?

现如今，捣乱不会总有好结果，对吗？

Let's keep -- I'm going to say that.

让我们保持-- 我这么说吧

It's not that when you speak the truth,

这并不是那样， 当你实话实说

somebody's going to always receive it properly.

有些人总会正确地接受

But you go to bed knowing that you at least tried,

但你睡前会想起来 至少你尝试去做过了

as opposed to saying, "What if I had tried?"

而不是 “如果我尝试去做呢？”

It's a life of, "Oh, well," then "What if?"

这是关于“哦，好吧”和“如果呢”的生活经历

So I think that's why

所以我觉得这是为什么

professional troublemaking is something that we should be proud of.

专业捣蛋是一件我们该感到自豪的事情

WPR: So I know everyone is dying to know:

WPR: 据我所知， 现在每个人都急切地想知道

How how do I become a professional troublemaker?

我如何成为一个专业捣蛋鬼呢

You outlined this in your book.

你在你的书中概述了一下这个

You talk a little bit about it in your talk.

你在演说中提到了一点

But I know there are three big things that you think you need to do

但我知道有三件大事是你觉得你需要做

to approach this idea of becoming a troublemaker.

来达成成为一个专业捣蛋鬼的想法

Will you share a little bit about that with us?

你愿意和我们稍微分享一下吗

LAJ: Yes. So when you are in the room,

LAJ：当然。所以当你处在一个环境中

and somebody says something that is not a great idea --

某人说那不是一个好主意

we've all been in meetings like that,

我们都体会过那种感觉

where a campaign idea was brought forth or a slogan or just something,

当一个活动的点子被提出 或者一个口号 或者某些东西

and you're just like, "Oof,"

你觉得“啊这...”

but everybody else in the room is like, "This is a great idea!

但你周围每个人都觉得“这是一个好主意”

We love it! Yes, let's do it!"

“我们很喜欢，就这么做吧！”

And usually you feel like you're standing on an island by yourself,

你通常会觉得自己独自站在一座孤岛上

because you're like, "If I'm the only person that has a problem with it,

因为你觉得 如果我是唯一一个觉得有问题的人

am I the problem?"

那我才是那个问题吧

So then oftentimes, we'll be quiet, the room will dissipate,

所以我们常常保持沉默 这事就这么过去了

we walk out, and we keep thinking about that moment,

我们走在路上 会一直回想起那个时候

and we keep saying, "Should I have said something?"

然后我们会一直想 “我那时是不是应该说些什么”

I don't like the feeling of thinking, "Should I have said something?"

我不喜欢那种想 “我那时是不是该说些什么”的感觉

Because I'll sit on it, and I'll overthink it,

我会困在这上面 过度思考它

and I'll think about it the day after,

我过几天也会想这事

and I'll be like, "I should have said something."

然后我还是会觉得“我应该说些什么的”

So for those tough moments where you want to say something

因为这些想说些什么的瞬间

that feels like it's contrary to what everybody else is saying

那种感觉这和别人说的都相反的时候

but you know you deeply believe it,

但你知道你深信不疑

I say ask yourself three questions.

我建议问自己三个问题

And if the answer is yes to all three, you say the thing.

如果这三个问题的答案都是 是的， 你就说出自己的想法

OK, so the three questions are:

所以那三个问题是

Do I mean it?

我是认真的吗？

This question is important

这个问题很重要

because you're not just talking to hear your own voice.

因为你不是自言自语地说给自己听

Do you actually mean what you're about to say?

你想说的确实是你想说的意思吗？

Can I defend it?

我能辩护这个想法吗？

OK, if somebody challenges you

如果有人质疑你

on this thing that you are also challenging,

关于那些你也在质疑自己的东西

do you have a way to justify and back it up?

你有办法做出解释 提供支持吗？

Do you have a clear way to say,

你能清楚地说

"These are the receipts I'm coming with"?

这是我想法的根据

And then: Can I say it thoughtfully?

最后：我能慎重地说出吗？

Because how you say it does matter.

因为你如何说出 的确很重要

Now, it does not mean that you should be tone-policed,

现在，这不意味着你该采取语气策略

nor does it mean that everybody will think you're saying it thoughtfully.

也不意味着每个人都会觉得你在深虑地说

But if you at least try to run it through your own,

但 如果你至少自己尝试着做一次

"Am I trying to be as thoughtful as possible?"

我有试图尽可能地深思熟虑吗

it's risk mitigation.

这能减轻风险

So you're saying, "OK, I'm not going to be hateful about this.

所以，如果你说“好吧，我不会讨厌这事”

I'm not going to say this to demean somebody.

我就不会打算说这事而让别人没面子

And I'm not just saying it to blow the room up

我也不会打算说这事来引起轰动

or make the room feel like a rocky place to be in."

或者让整个环境不稳定而难以待下去

When the answer is yes to all three --

当三个问题的答案都是肯定的

Do I mean it? Can I defend it? Can I say thoughtfully? --

我是认真的吗？我能辩护自己吗？ 我能慎重地说出来吗？

say it, and then deal with whatever comes.

那就说吧，然后处理所有后果

Now, again -- I say risk mitigation.

再一次地 我要说风险规避

I'm not saying everybody will receive what you're going to say

我不是说每个人都会接受你要说的东西

with the intention you meant, OK?

但你要抱着这个目的，好吗？

But it is a way to check yourself,

但这是一种确认自己的方法

check in with yourself,

跟你自己确认一下

check what you're about to say,

确认你将要说的东西

check your tone a little bit

确认一下你的语气

so it doesn't come out as unthoughtful as it could.

这样 你的表达就不会变得 和它本来可能得那么不周到

Because there are moments when things might be heated

因为有时候 事情可能会变得很上脑

and you might want to speak really quickly.

你可能会想尽可能快地说出来

It slows you down just a little bit

这帮助你稍微减速一点

to say, all right, all right, you do want to say this thing, it is valid,

就是说， 好的，好的， 你确实想说这事，这是认可过的了

but don't come at this person's neck.

但是不要给别人找麻烦

So I think it's important for me.

所以我觉得这对我很重要

It's a checkpoint that I've used for years that I kind of lead with.

这是我多年来放在 首位用的一个检查方法

And most of the time it goes well.

大多数情况结果是不错的

WPR: That is part of the tenets you outline.

WPR：这是你提到的原则的一部分

This is part of the "be" part.

这是“be”的一部分

You have "be, say, do" -- Is that right? -- for tenets.

你有“想，说，做” 对吗？ 关于原则

LAJ: Yes. Be, say, do.

LAJ：是的，想，说，做。

WPR: Be, say, do.

WPR: 想，说，做。

And Ahmed, he asks,

Ahmed问

"How do you recognize professional trouble rather than regular trouble?"

“你如何分辨专业的捣蛋和常规的捣蛋”

LAJ: I think it just really comes down to the heart from which you're doing it.

LAJ: 我觉得 这真的来自于你做这事的心

You know, I really do think professional troublemaking,

你知道，我确实认为专业捣蛋

what it means is to disrupt for the greater good.

是为了更好而捣乱

You're not just disrupting because you don't like the person

你不是仅仅因为不喜欢某人而捣乱

that's sitting across from you.

这取决于你

You're disrupting because you know what you're saying or doing

你捣乱是因为你知道你要说什么或做什么

is going to be better for somebody else

会有益于他人

or somebody who looks like you

或许是长得像你的人

or somebody who doesn't even look like you, right?

或许是长得不像你的人，对吗？

It is ... it's mission-driven.

这是....这是使命驱使的

And it is sometimes brave,

这有时很勇敢

because a lot of troublemaking is going to be scary.

因为很多捣乱 会很令人感到恐惧

If it's not scary, it's probably not troublemaking,

如果这不令你恐惧 很可能是因为还不够捣乱

right?

对吧？

If it does not give you a little bit of, "Uhh ... I'm about to do this,"

如果没有给你一种 “啊 我要去这么做了”的感觉

it's probably not troublemaking.

那也许不是捣乱

Because if it was easy, everybody would do it.

因为如果这很简单，那每个人都会做

If something was easy to say or do,

如果说或做某事很简单

everybody would do it, so it wouldn't be special.

每个人都会去做， 所以不会有什么特别的

So I think a lot of times about troublemaking

所以我多次思考过 捣蛋

the thing to really understand is: it's going to be scary.

要真的明白的是：这会令人感到恐惧

But what we sometimes will think is that if it's scary,

但我们有时会想的是 如果这令人恐惧

that means I need to not do it.

那意味着我不需要做这件事

That's not true.

这并不是这样的

That's how we end up not living the lives that we want to live.

这就是我们如何 最终没能过自己想过的生活

That's how we end up passing on opportunities

我们如何最终错过了

that are meant to transform our lives.

那些本应改变我们生活的机会

That's how we end up regretting our silence in rooms.

那是我们如何最终后悔沉默

One of the things that I actually ask myself whenever I'm in a room

每当我处在一个环境中时 我都会问我自己

and I feel like I need to say something that feels tough

并觉得我需要说点难以开口的事

is, I also ask myself, "Will my silence make me proud?

是 我也问自己 “你会因我的沉默而自豪吗？”

This thing that feels like trouble, if I don't do it, will I be proud of myself?"

如果我不做这件看起来像捣蛋的事， 我会为自己感到自豪吗？

Because ultimately, we are all our own biggest critics.

因为最终，我们才是自己最大的评论员

Like, I could disappoint other people and still be able to deal with it.

就像，我会对别人失望，但我仍能应对这件事

But when I disappoint myself, it's really tough.

但当我对自己失望，这是很艰难的

So I'm always like,

所以我总是

"I'm making trouble so I don't disappoint myself.

“我捣蛋 所以我才不会对自己失望”

I'm making trouble so my silence is not something that will convict me."

我捣蛋，所以我不会 因为自己的沉默而有罪恶感

Because if I was there, I have to justify what I did in any room.

因为如果我那么做了，我会要求自己 对在任何情况下做的事做解释

And I want to be able to say, "At least I tried."

我希望我能够说“至少我尝试过了”

WPR: And to this point, Dennis asks,

WPR: 关于这点，Dennis提问

"How do you pick your battles to maintain your energy every day?

“你每天如何选择能保持你精力的斗争呢”

How do you decide which trouble's worth making?"

你如何决定哪个捣蛋的事值得做呢？

LAJ: Great question.

LAJ:好问题

Sometimes, I just ...

有时，我只是...

don't have the energy to make trouble on that day.

没有精力去捣蛋

What that means is, if I am in a meeting, and on that day, I'm wiped,

这就是说，如果我在开会，但那天我很疲惫

and I'm just like, "I don't have the energy

我就是像“我没有那个精力

to even be the one that's challenging,"

哪怕去思考那些困难的事情”

on that day, I might be quiet.

那天，我可能就保持沉默

So I just need more people to feel the obligation

所以 我就觉需要有更多人 感受到这种责任

to also make the good trouble,

去创造好的麻烦

so the one person who's always doing it can take a rest.

所以一直这么做的人 可以休息一下

WPR: I mean, it sounds like a big part of this

WPR:我觉得，这听起来像是，这很大一部分

is understanding yourself, right?

是懂你自己，对吗？

Is understanding the sorts of things you want to go after.

是懂得你这么做后想得到的那些东西

And we have an anonymous question where somebody asks,

然后，我们这有一个匿名提问，有人问

"I think being a troublemaker also requires us

“我认为做一个捣蛋鬼也要求我们

to identify what we truly want.

能明辨我们真正想要的“

What's your advice on finding out what you want?"

你对找到什么是你真正想要的有什么建议吗？”

LAJ: Yeah, I think it's important to know what your core values are

LAJ: 是的，我认为明白你的核心价值是什么

and what the thing that you will fight for is,

你会为之抗争的事是什么 很重要

which is why I started the book with a chapter called "Know Thyself."

这也是我为什么用叫做 “了解你自己”的一章 来开始这本书

That was important because we have to be doubly clear on who we are,

那很重要因为我们需要 倍加清楚的知道我们是谁

what we hold dear, why we are who we are,

我们所珍视的是什么， 为什么我们是我们

because it's what's going to inform what we want to speak up about.

因为这会提醒我们我们想为什么表态

It's what's going to inform what drives us to fight.

这会提醒我们驱使我们去抗争的是什么

It's what's going to inform the why of it all.

这会提醒这一切的缘由

It's what pushes you past the fear to say, "I have to do this anyway."

这是支撑着你越过恐惧 而说“反正我必须这么做”的东西

So if you're not clear about who you are and what's important to you,

所以如果你不清楚你自己是谁， 对你来说什么重要

you're going to find it hard to know,

你会发现这很难去搞懂

"What am I actually going to be standing up for?"

“我现在实际要维护支持的是什么呢？”

WPR: You've gone back to these tenets, then, in answering this question,

WPR：你回到了这些原则上， 那么随着你回答这个问题

this idea of being the troublemaker that you want to be.

成为你想成为的捣蛋鬼的想法

And then what you shared earlier

和你先前分享的

is the saying of the asking the three questions.

是那三个问题的说法

And then there's a third part of this, the doing element.

那么还有第三个部分，“做”这个元素

Could you talk a little bit about what that looks like?

你能稍微讲一讲这是什么样的吗

LAJ: Yeah, you know, you can talk a good talk,

LAJ：好的，你知道，你能说得头头是道

but if you're not doing work, then what's the point of the talk?

但如果你不付诸实践， 那纸上谈兵有何必要呢？

Ultimately, we have to put action to our beliefs, to our ideas,

最终，我们要将我们的信念和想法

to our convictions.

付诸实践

So you can be like, yes, you know, Black lives matter.

所以你可能会，对， 你知道，黑人的命也是命

But if you're a boss who hasn't promoted your most senior Black staff,

但如果你是一个没有提拔 你最资深的黑人员工的老板

and somebody who just started got promoted over them,

而别人刚被提拔超过他们

then the words that you said did not matter.

那么你说的话 并不重要

So the "do" of it all is important; it's an exclamation point,

所以“做”的部分是最重要的， 那是一个感叹号

because first you fix your mindset with the "be,"

因为你首先通过“想”修整了你的思路

then you start putting words to it with the "say,"

然后你开始加上词句来完成“说”

and then now you actually put action to it with the "do."

而现在你实际该做的便是“做”

And we cannot have the other two without the do.

并且我们如果没有“做”便不能拥有前两个

I think what ends up happening a lot

我觉得最后经常发生的是

is that people feel really good about what they said,

人们对他们说的话感觉很良好

but they haven't made it actually match with their action.

但他们言行不一

So be who you say you are, you know,

所以 成为你说的那个人， 你知道

whether people are watching or not.

无论别人在不在关注你

Be who you say you are in private and in public,

成为你说的样子，在私下和公共场合

in the rooms where it's easy

在这么做简单的情况下

and in the rooms where it's tough and you face opposition.

和在这么做很困难且面对反对者的情况下

Because a lot of us are walking with privilege that we're not using.

因为我们中的很多说得好听却做不到

So every day you're trying to figure out in what ways can you use your voice,

所以每天你在试图搞清楚如何发声

your access, your social currency

你的方法，你的社会存在感

in service of people who don't have it as much as you do.

来帮助那些没有你勇敢的人

WPR: So, Anushka, she asks,

WPR:所以，Anushka, 她问

"As someone who's young and often seen as inexperienced,

“很多年轻人经常被认为是缺乏经验的”

how do I gain the space to speak and have others realize my worth?"

我该如何有说话的空间，并让别人意识到我的价值

LAJ: You won't gain the space to speak.

LAJ:你不会得到说话的空间

People won't let go of their power that they perceive.

人们不会放手的到的权力

Basically, you have to take it.

基本上，你只能去承受

Now, that means you might have to interrupt and say, "Hi.

现在，那意味着你也许必须去打断然后说“你好

I've been trying to speak for the last 20 minutes.

我过去二十分钟都在努力想说些什么

I have a point of view that I'd love to offer up."

我有个想法想提出来

It is being -- it is taking up space even when people don't give it to you.

这在争取空间即便人门不给你

And it does not mean you're going to be rude.

这不意味着你是没礼貌的

It doesn't mean you're going to be arrogant.

这不意味你是自大的

It means your voice is necessary,

这意味着你的声音是有必要的

just like everybody else's.

就像别人的一样

In the places where your voice is not given space,

当你的声音不被给予空间

sometimes, you either have to take it,

有时，你要么只能接受

or you walk away, knowing that's not the space for you.

或者你知道不会有给你的空间，便走开

Because if you have to constantly fight to be heard, that's exhausting.

因为如果你持续抗争着想被听见，那会很累

People might look at you with all types of weird projections

人们会用各种各样奇怪的推想看你

of what they think you do or don't know.

比如他们觉得你做什么或你不知道什么

Do not let it shift what you see as your own value.

不要让这改变你看到你自己的价值

That is also why you cannot attach your value

这也是为什么你不能将你的价值

to how other people are treating you

附着在别人如何对待你

or how other people are projecting things onto you.

或者别人如何保护你

If you do that, you will very quickly be told that you don't fit into spaces.

如果你这样的话，你很快会被告知你不适合

You'll be very, very quickly told that you're not worthwhile

你非常快就会被告知 你不值得

or that your ideas are terrible,

或者你的想法很糟糕

and then you will absorb it.

然后你就会吸收这些想法

And then you'll go, like, "Oh, I guess I won't use my voice."

然后你会就像“噢，我想我不会再发声了”

You got to fortify yourself

你要坚定你自己

and know that your voice is just as important as anybody else's in the room

明白你的声音和别人的一样重要

and that you as somebody who's learning, who's growing,

正像某个学习的人，某个在成长的人

who is already in the room,

某个已经在其中的人

you have already proven yourself to be valuable.

你就已经证明了你是有价值的

And whether or not people see it is not ...

那么无论别人看到或没看到

it's not your fault,

那都不是你的错

but affirm yourself and make yourself known.

但申明你自己 让别人了解你

You know, take up space, even if they're not giving it to you,

你知道，去占取空间，即便他们不给你

don't wait for their permission to speak.

不要等到他们的准许再说话

Be brilliant whether or not they want you to be.

成为杰出的人 无论别人想不想要

WPR: Well, thank you so much, Luvvie,

WPR: 嗯，十分感谢，Luvvie

I know we're all going to be waiting with bated breath

我知道我们都在屏息等待

for the news around this book.

关于这边书的新消息

LAJ: Thank you so much for having me.

LAJ:感谢你的邀请

TED has been so significant in my journey.

TED对我的旅程非常重要