The secret weapon against pandemics | Georges C. Benjamin

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๊ฒ€ํ† : Jihyeon J. Kim
๋ฐ์ด๋น— ๋น„์—˜๋กœ(DB): ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์กด๊ฒฝํ•˜๋Š”
์กฐ์ง€ ๋ฒค์ž๋ฏผ ๋ฐ•์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๋ฒค์ž๋ฏผ ๋ฐ•์‚ฌ๋Š” ๋ฏธ๊ตญ๊ณต์ค‘๋ณด๊ฑดํ•™ํšŒ์˜ ์ด ์šด์˜ ์ฑ…์ž„์ž์ด์‹œ๊ณ 
00:12
David Biello: It's now my great honor and privilege
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์˜ํ•™ ์ „๋ฌธ๊ฐ€์™€ ๊ณต์ค‘ ๋ณด๊ฑด ์ „๋ฌธ๊ฐ€์œผ๋กœ์„œ
00:14
to introduce Dr. Georges Benjamin,
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์˜ค๋žœ ๊ฒฝ๋ ฅ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:17
who's the executive director of the American Public Health Association,
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์กฐ์ง€ ๋ฒค์ž๋ฏผ ๋ฐ•์‚ฌ๋‹˜์„ ๋”ฐ๋œปํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ™˜์˜ํ•ด์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
00:22
who has a long and distinguished career,
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00:25
both as a medical professional and as a public health professional.
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์กฐ์ง€ ๋ฒค์ž๋ฏผ(GB): ๋ฐ์ด๋น—. ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ง€๋‚ด์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
DB: ์ „ ์ž˜ ์ง€๋ƒ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ž˜ ์ง€๋‚ด์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
00:29
Please give a warm welcome to Dr. Georges Benjamin.
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GB: ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ์žˆ์ž๋‚˜์š”. (์›ƒ์Œ)
DB: (์›ƒ์Œ) ์ž˜ ๋ฒ„ํ‹ฐ์‹œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋„ค์š”!
00:35
Georges Benjamin: Hey, David, how are you?
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GB: ์ž˜ ์ง€๋‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ  .
00:37
DB: I am good, how are you, Dr. Benjamin?
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DB: ์•Œ๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹œ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ง€๊ธˆ์˜ ์ฃผ์ œ๋Š” ์žฌ๊ฐœํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:39
GB: I'm here. (Laughs)
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00:42
DB: Hanging in there. Good.
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00:44
GB: Hanging in.
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์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์„ ๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ๋“ค์—ˆ์ฃ .
00:45
DB: We know that the theme of the moment is reopening, I would say.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ,
๋งŽ์€ ๋‚˜๋ผ๋“ค์ด ์ด๋ฏธ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ํ˜•ํƒœ๋กœ ์žฌ๊ฐœํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ˜„์žฌ๋กœ์„œ ์•Œ๊ณ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋กœ๋Š”
00:52
We just heard one possibility for that,
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  50๊ฐœ ์ฃผ๊ฐ€ ์žฌ๊ฐœํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:55
but obviously,
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00:56
a lot of countries have already reopened in one form or another,
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00:59
and I believe, as of today,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ˜„๋ช…ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋Œ€์ฒ˜ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์˜ค? ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์•ˆ์ „ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ–‰๋™ํ• ๊นŒ์š”?
01:02
all 50 states here in the US have reopened in one form or another.
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GB: ๋„ค, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ์•ˆ์ „ํ•˜๊ณ  ์กฐ์‹ฌํžˆ ์žฌ๊ฐœํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:08
How do we do that smartly, how do we do that safely?
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด ๊ณต์ค‘ ์•ˆ์ „ ์กฐ์น˜๋ฅผ ์žŠ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Œ์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:14
GB: Yeah, we really do need to reopen safely and carefully,
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์ด ์•ˆ์ „ ๋ณด๊ด€ ์กฐ์น˜๋“ค๋Š” COVID ํ™˜์ž ์ˆ˜๋“ค์„ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊บพ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:18
and it means that we have not got to forget these public health measures
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ํšจ์œจ์ ์ด๋‹ค ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ณ„์†
๊ธฐ์นจ์ด๋‚˜ ์žฌ์ฑ„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ•  ๋•Œ ์ฝ”์™€ ์ž…์„ ๋ง‰๊ณ ,
01:25
that really brought down the curve to begin with.
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๋งˆ์Šคํฌ๋ฅผ ์“ฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณ , ์†์„ ์”ป๊ณ ,
01:27
And that means thing such as
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์Šค์Šค๋กœ ํƒ€์ธ๊ณผ ์œก์ฒด์ ์ธ ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋‘๊ณ .
01:31
covering up your nose and mouth when you cough or sneeze,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ํ•˜๋ฉฐ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:33
wearing a mask, washing your hands,
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์•„์นจ์— ์ผํ•˜๋Ÿฌ ๊ฐ€๊ธฐ ์ „์ด๋‚˜
01:36
physically distancing yourself to the extent possible from others.
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์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ์—๋„์š”.
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ง€๋‚œ ๋‘๋‹ฌ ๋™์•ˆ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
01:40
Thinking about everything we do,
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01:42
you know, before we go to work in the morning,
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์•ˆ์ „ ์กฐ์น˜ ๋”ฐ๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ
01:45
while we're at work.
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๋‹ค์Œ ์„ธ ๋‹ฌ๋„ ๊ณ„์† ๊พธ์ค€ํžˆ ์ง€์ผœ์•ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
01:47
And being as careful as many of us have been
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋๋‚˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”
DB: ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์œ ๋ฆฌ ์•Œ๋ก ์ด ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ํ™•์‚ฐ์˜ ์œ„๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:51
in the last two months,
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01:53
as we go into the next three months,
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01:55
because this thing is not over.
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์ด๋กœ์„œ ์ด์ œ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์˜๋ฌด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์ด ๋ณด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:57
DB: Right.
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01:59
There is the chance of more waves, as Uri [Alon] mentioned.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๊ณต์ค‘์œ„์ƒ์„ ๋ถ€์—…์˜ ํ•œ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์ง€ํ‚ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๋งž๋‚˜์š”?
02:05
It seems like it's kind of incumbent on all of us then
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GB: ์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์ €๋Š” ๋งŽ์ด ์ฃผ์žฅํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:08
to take public health as kind of a second job.
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ํ˜„์žฌ ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๊ณต์ค‘ ์•ˆ์ „ ๋ณด๊ฑด์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ์•Œ์•„์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ,
02:12
Is that right?
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๋ชจ๋‘์˜ ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์ผ์€ ๊ณต์ค‘ ์•ˆ์ „ ๋ณด๊ฑด์ž„์„ ์ธ์ง€ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„์š”.
02:15
GB: You know, I've been arguing a lot
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02:17
that now that everybody really knows what public health is,
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์“ฐ๋ ˆ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ค๊ณ  ์žˆ๋“ , ์‹๋ฃŒํ’ˆ์ ์—์„œ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋“ ,
02:21
that everybody should always recognize that their second job is public health,
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๋ฒ„์Šค ์šด์ „์‚ฌ์ด๋“ ,
์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ์ €์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๊ณต์ค‘ ์•ˆ์ „ ๋ณด๊ฑด์„ ์ง€ํ‚ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
02:25
whether you're picking up the garbage or working in a grocery store,
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์˜์‚ฌ๋‚˜ ๊ฐ„ํ˜ธ์‚ฌ ๋“ฑ๋“ฑ
๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๊ณต์ค‘๋ณด๊ฑด ์ฑ…์ž„์„ ์ฃผ์ž…ํ•ด์„œ
02:29
or you are a bus driver,
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02:32
or you're, you know, like me, doing public health,
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๋งค์ผ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:35
a physician or a nurse,
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02:36
everybody needs to put the public health mantle
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DB: ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
ํ˜„์žฌ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๊ณต์ค‘ ์•ˆ์ „ ๋ณด๊ฑด ์ „๋ฌธ๊ฐ€์ž–์•„์š”.
์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ผ์ƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์„ธ์š”?
02:40
into what they do each and every day.
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02:44
DB: What do you think --
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๋„์‹œ๋“ค์ด ์žฌ๊ฐœํ•จ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ์ƒ๊ธด ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ผ์ƒ์ด์š”.
02:46
So we're all public health professionals now,
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์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๋‚˜์š”?
02:48
what do you think the new normal we might expect,
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๊ณต์ค‘ ์•ˆ์ „ ๋ณด๊ฑด ์ „๋ฌธ๊ฐ€๋กœ์„œ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ธธ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋‚˜์š”?
02:52
as countries reopen?
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์กฐ์ง€: ๋งŒ์•ฝ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งˆ์ˆ ์„ ๋ถ€๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋œ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
02:56
What is that going to look like,
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์ €๋Š” ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์ธ์ง€ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:58
or what do you hope that looks like, as a public health professional?
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ณต์ค‘ ๋ณด๊ฑด๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„์š”.
03:02
GB: If I could wave a magic wand,
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์† ์”ป๊ธฐ์™€ ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ์š”,
03:05
I would clearly recognize
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๊ณต๊ณต์žฅ์†Œ์— ๋‚˜๊ฐˆ ๋•Œ ํ•˜๋Š” ์•ˆ์ „ ๊ด€๋ จ ํ–‰๋™์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋„์š”.
03:08
that people are going to be doing a lot more of the public health things,
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ์•„์ฃผ ์˜ค๋ž˜๋œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์—์š”.
03:12
in terms of handwashing
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์ฐจ์— ํƒ€์„œ ์•ˆ์ „๋ฒจํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ฐฉ์šฉํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:14
and thinking about what they do around safety when they go out in public.
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ํ˜„์žฌ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•ˆ์ „๋ฒจํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ฐฉ์šฉํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ณ„ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:18
You know, it was not too long ago
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ๋‹ด๋ฐฐ๋ฅผ ํ”ผ์šฐ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:21
when you got in your car and you didn't put your seat belt on.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
03:24
Today we do it,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ๋„๋กœ๋ฅผ ๊ฑด๋„ˆ๊ธฐ ์ „์— ์–‘์ชฝ์„ ๋‹ค ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:25
and we don't think anything about it.
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03:27
Most of us don't smoke,
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์€
03:30
because we know that that's bad for us.
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์ง‘์—์„œ ์ผ์„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋™์˜ ์œ„ํ—˜์„ ์—†์• ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ .
03:32
Most of us look both ways before we cross a street.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๊ณ„์†ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—,
03:36
Most of us, you know,
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์ฃผ์˜๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ์šธ์ด๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํฌ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:39
do things in our house, that are -- fix trip hazards.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ์—ผ๋˜๊ฒŒ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์—์š”.
03:43
So as we go forward with this outbreak,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ๋ฌผ๊ฑด๋“ค์„ ์ฒญ์†Œํ•˜๊ณ  ์†Œ๋…ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:45
I'm hoping that people will pay a lot more attention
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03:48
to things that can cause us to get an infection.
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๋” ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€, ์•„ํ”Œ ๋•Œ ์ถœ๊ทผํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ .
03:51
So you know, cleaning things, disinfecting things.
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์ €๋Š” ๊ณ ์šฉ์ฃผ๊ฐ€ ๋ชจ๋‘๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ์œ ๊ธ‰ ๋ณ‘๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋‚ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์„œ
์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ง‘์— ๋จธ๋ฌด๋ฅผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:57
More importantly, not coming to work if you're sick.
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๋„ค, ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ถ”๊ฐ€์ ์ธ ๋น„์šฉ์ด์ฃ .
04:00
I'm hoping that employers will put in paid sick leave for everybody,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์—๊ฒŒ ์ด์ œ ์•Œ์•„๋ƒˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋น„์šฉ์ด
04:05
so people can stay home.
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์ˆ˜์‹ญ์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„์š”.
04:07
Yeah, itโ€™s an additional cost,
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04:09
but I can tell you that we've now learned
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์œ ๊ธ‰ ๋ณ‘๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ๋•Œ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์ด ๊ฝค ๋‚ฎ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:11
that the cost of not doing something like that
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DB: ๋„ค, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์„ ๋ถ€๋Ÿฌ์›Œํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:15
is billions and billions and billions of dollars.
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๋ชจ๋“  ๊ตญ๊ฐ€ ์ค‘์—์„œ์š”. ์•„๋งˆ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์€
04:18
Paid sick leave is pretty cheap when you do that.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ์•„์šฐ๋ฅด๋Š” ์˜๋ฃŒ๋ณดํ—˜์ œ๋„๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:21
DB: Yeah, we are, I think, envious in the United States
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๋งˆ์Šคํฌ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ์ง•์ธ ๊ฒƒ์— ๋™์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
04:24
of all the countries that perhaps have
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โ€œ๋ถ€์—…์œผ๋กœ์„œ์˜ ๊ณต์ค‘ ๋ณด๊ฑด ์ „๋ฌธ๊ฐ€โ€œ์˜ ์‚ฌ๊ณ ๋ฐฉ์‹์„ ํƒํ•˜๋Š” ์ƒ์ง•์ด์ฃ .
04:28
a more all-encompassing health care system than we do.
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04:32
Would you agree that masks are kind of the symbol
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GB: ๋„ค, ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ๋„ค์š”.
04:35
of adopting that "public health professional as a second job" mindset?
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์•„์‹œ์•„์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์ €ํฌ ๋™๋ฃŒ๋“ค์€ ๋งˆ์Šคํฌ๋ฅผ ์ฐฉ์šฉํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ํ•ด ๋™์•ˆ ๋ฌธํ™”๋กœ ๋งˆ์Šคํฌ๋ฅผ ์ฐฉ์šฉํ–ˆ์ฃ .
04:42
GB: Well, you know, it's funny.
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04:43
Our colleagues in Asia have had a mask --
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๋‹น์‹ ๋„ ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋‚„๋‚„๊ฑฐ๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•ด์™ธ์— ๊ฐ”์„ ๋•Œ
04:48
wearing masks as a culture for many, many years.
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์ €๋Š” ๋งˆ์Šคํฌ๋ฅผ ์“ฐ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ๋ณผ ๋•Œ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋‚„๋‚„๊ฑฐ๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:53
And you know, we've always kind of chuckled at that.
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๋‹น์—ฐํžˆ, ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ฒ˜์Œ ์‹œ์ž‘๋์„ ๋•Œ
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฐ์—ผ๋œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋งŒ ๋งˆ์Šคํฌ๋ฅผ ํ™๋ณดํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:56
When I went overseas,
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04:58
I would always kind of chuckle when I saw people wearing masks.
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๋‹น์—ฐํžˆ ๋ณด๊ฑด ์ „๋ฌธ๊ฐ€์—๊ฒŒ๋„ ํ™๋ณดํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ์š”.
๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ์— ๋” ์œ„ํ—˜ํ•œ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์— ๊ณ„์‹  ๋ถ„๋“ค์ด์—ˆ์ฃ .
05:01
And of course, when this first started,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:03
you know, we only promoted masks for people that were infected
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๋งˆ์Šคํฌ ์ฐฉ์šฉ์ด ์•„๋งˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ฌธํ™”์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
05:07
or of course, health care workers,
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05:08
who we thought were in a higher-risk environment.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํ•ด๋ณ€ ๋ฌธํ™”์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž„์„ ์ด๋ฏธ ์•Œ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:11
But I think that wearing masks
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๋น„๋ก ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ๊ทธ๋ž˜์•ผ ํ•  ์ง€๋ผ๋„์š”.
05:13
is probably going to be part of our culture.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์ €๋Š” ์ ์  ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋งˆ์Šคํฌ๋ฅผ ์ฐฉ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณผ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:17
We've already seen it probably will not be part of our beach culture,
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๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์—์„œ์š”.
05:20
although it probably should be for now.
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์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ํƒ€๋‹นํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:22
But I do think that we're going to see more and more people wearing masks
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DB: ๋„ค, ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ๋ฐฐ๋ คํ•จ์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋งˆ์Šคํฌ๋ฅผ ์“ฐ์„ธ์š”
05:26
in a variety of settings.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๊ณต์ค‘์œ„์ƒ ์ •์‹ ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:28
And I think that makes sense.
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์•„์‹œ์•„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ด๋ด…์‹œ๋‹ค.
05:30
DB: Yeah, wear your mask to show that you care about others.
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์–ด๋Š ๋‚˜๋ผ๊ฐ€ ์ž˜ ๋Œ€์ฒ˜ํ–ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
05:34
And that you have this, kind of, public health spirit.
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์„ธ๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋ฉด์„œ, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ•œ๋™์•ˆ ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ 
05:37
So speaking of Asia,
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋™๋ฃŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์†Œํ†ตํ•ด์™”์„ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:39
who has done well?
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๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ์ž˜ ๋Œ€์ฒ˜ํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ์š”.
๊ทธ ์ข‹์€ ์˜ˆ์‹œ๋“ค๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
05:42
Looking around the world, you've been doing this for a while
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GB: ๋„ค, ํ•œ๊ตญ์ด ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ๋ชจ๋ฒ”์ด ๋˜๋Š” ๋Œ€์ƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:45
and communicated with your peers,
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05:47
who has done well
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05:48
and what can we learn from those good examples?
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์‚ฌ์‹ค ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ค‘๊ตญ์ด
ํ•ฉ๋ฆฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ž˜ ๋Œ€์ฒ˜ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:52
GB: Yeah, South Korea in many ways is the role model.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋ชจ๋“  ๋‚˜๋ผ๋“ค, ์ฆ‰
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ์ ์€ ์‚ฌ๋ง์ž ์ˆ˜์™€ ์‚ฌ๋ง๋ฅ ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ๊ทธ ๋‚˜๋ผ๋“ค์˜ ๋น„๊ฒฐ์€
05:56
You know, China actually, at the end of the day,
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๋งค์šฐ ์ดˆ๊ธฐ์— ๋งŽ์€ ์‹œ๋„๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:59
did reasonably well.
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06:01
But the secret to all of those countries
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ ‘์ด‰์ž๋ฅผ ์ถ”์  ์กฐ์‚ฌํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฒฉ๋ฆฌ, ๊ฒ€์—ญ์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:03
that have had less morbidity and mortality than we have,
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06:06
is they did lots of testing very early on,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ณต์ค‘์œ„์ƒ์˜ ์‹คํ–‰์˜ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:10
they did contact tracing and isolation and quarantine,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ดˆ๊ธฐ์— ๋งŽ์ด ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๋น„๋ก ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์‚ฌํšŒ๋ฅผ ์žฌ๊ฐœํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์ค„์ง€๋ผ๋„
06:14
which by the way, is the bedrock of public health practice.
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๊ฐ€๋” ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜๋Š” ๊ธ‰์ฆํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ• ์ง€๋ผ๋„,
06:18
They did it early, they did a lot of it,
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๊ฐ€๋” ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜๋Š” ๊ธ‰์ฆํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ• ์ง€๋ผ๋„
06:21
and by the way, even though they're reopening their society,
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๊ฒ€์ง„, ๊ฒฉ๋ฆฌ, ์ ‘์ด‰์ž ์ถ”์  ์กฐ์‚ฌ์™€
06:25
and they're beginning to see episodic surges,
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06:28
they then go back to those basic public health practices
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๋Œ€์ค‘์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ํˆฌ๋ช…์„ฑ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:31
of testing, isolation, contact tracing
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋Œ€์ค‘๋“ค์ด ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์•„๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๊ณ 
06:36
and transparency to the public when they can,
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์งˆ๋ณ‘์ด ์–ด๋””์— ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์•„๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋Œ€์ค‘๋“ค์ด ๋”ฐ๋ฅด๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ฉด์š”.
06:40
because it's important for the public to understand how many cases there are,
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DB: ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ง„๋‹จ, ์ถ”์  ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ณ ๋ฆฝ์€
06:45
where the disease is,
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๊ทธ ํ‹€์— ๋ฐ•ํžŒ ํ‘œํ˜„์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ์‰ฌ์šด ์ผ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ณด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:47
if you're going to get compliance from the public.
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06:51
DB: So testing, contact tracing and isolation.
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์™œ ์–ด๋–ค ๋‚˜๋ผ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์‹œํ–‰ํ•˜๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋ ค์›Œ์กŒ์„๊นŒ์š”?
06:54
That doesn't seem like rocket science, to use that old clichรฉ.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ง€์ฒด์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
์ „์ž ์˜๋ฃŒ ๊ธฐ๋ก์ผ๊นŒ์š”?
์–ด๋–ค ๋ณต์žกํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ผ๊นŒ์š”?
06:59
Why has that been hard for some countries to implement?
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ํ˜น์€ ๊ทธ์ € ์ž๋งŒ์‹ฌ์ธ๊ฑธ๊นŒ์š”?
07:03
What's holding us back,
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์ง€๋‚œ 100๋…„๊ฐ„์˜ ๊ณต์ค‘ ๋ณด๊ฑด ์„ฑ๊ณต์— ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜์„ ๋‘” ์ž๋งŒ์‹ฌ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:05
is it electronic medical records,
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07:07
is it some fancy doodad,
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07:09
or is it just maybe overconfidence,
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GB: ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•ฝ์ด ๋„˜์ณ๋‚˜๋Š” ์‚ฌํšŒ์—์„œ ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์— ์•ฝ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:13
based on maybe the public health successes of the last 100 years?
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์•ฝ์„ ์ค„ ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋‹ค๋ฉด,
07:17
GB: You know, we are very much a pill society.
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๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์ˆ˜์ˆ ํ•ด์„œ ๊ณ ์ณ์ค„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ์˜ˆ๋ฐฉ์€ ํšจ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:21
We think there's a pill for everything.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์˜ˆ๋ฐฉ์— ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๊ณผ์†Œํˆฌ์ž ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:23
If we can't give you a pill for it,
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07:26
then we can give you surgery and fix it.
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๊ฐ•ํ•˜๊ณ  ํŠผํŠผํ•œ
07:28
You know, prevention works.
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๊ณต์ค‘ ๋ณด๊ฑด ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์—๋„ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๊ณผ์†Œํˆฌ์ž ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:31
And we have totally underinvested in prevention.
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์˜ค๋Š˜ ๋‚  ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ์ฐพ์•„๋ณด๋ฉด,
07:34
We've totally underinvested in a strong, robust
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์—„์ฒญ ์‰ฝ๊ฒŒ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:38
public health system.
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07:40
If you look at the fact that in the America today,
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์‹๋ฃŒํ’ˆ์ ์˜ ์„ ๋ฐ˜์—์„œ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด ๋‚˜์˜ค๋Š”์ง€๋ฅผ์š”.
์•„๋งˆ์กด์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์••๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:44
you can very easily know
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์˜์‚ฌ๋Š” ๊ฐ™์€ ๋„๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:48
what's coming off the shelf of a grocery store,
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์ƒˆ๋ฒฝ 3์‹œ์—
07:51
Amazon knows everything there is to know about you,
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์‹ฌ์ „๋„ ๋˜๋Š”
07:55
but your doctor does not have the same tools.
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์˜๋ฃŒ ๊ธฐ๋ก์ด๋‚˜ ์•Œ๋ ˆ๋ฅด๊ธฐ ๋ชฉ๋ก์„ ์ž…์ˆ˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์–ด๋ ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๋งŒ์•ฝ ์˜์‚ฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋งํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋ฉด์š”.
07:59
At three o'clock in the morning,
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08:00
it's still very difficult to get a hold of your electrocardiogram,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์— ํˆฌ์žํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:04
or your medical record, or your list of allergies
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์ด๋ฒˆ ๋ฐœ์ƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ๊ฒƒ ์ค‘ ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋Š”
08:07
if you can't tell the practitioner what you have.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์„ ์กฐ์„ฑํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์›๊ฒฉ ์˜๋ฃŒ์— ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ํ™˜๊ฒฝ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:09
And we just haven't invested in robust systems.
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08:12
One of the interesting things about this outbreak
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ฃผ์œ„์— ๋ช‡ ๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์กด์žฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋ณ„๋กœ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ์—†์—ˆ์ฃ .
08:15
is that it has created an environment
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์ด์ œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ํ‘œ์ค€์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:17
in which we're now dependent on telemedicine,
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DB: ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜
08:20
which has been around for several years,
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๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ,
08:22
but we weren't quite into it.
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์—„์ฒญ๋‚˜๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ์˜๋ฃŒ ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์„ ๋ณด์œ ํ•œ ๋‚˜๋ผ๋Š”
08:24
But now, it's probably going to be the new standard.
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๋Œ€๋งŒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์ž˜ ๋Œ€์ฒ˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:28
DB: But it also seems --
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์•„ํ”„๋ฆฌ์นด์˜ ๊ฐ€๋‚˜ ๊ฐ™์ด ๋œ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ์˜๋ฃŒ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์„
08:29
So, obviously,
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08:30
those countries with an incredibly robust health care system,
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๊ฐ€์กŒ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ ์ƒ๊ฐ๋œ ๋‚˜๋ผ๋„
08:34
like Taiwan, have done well,
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08:36
but it seems like even countries that perhaps would be considered
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ž˜ ํ–‰๋™ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ ๋น„๊ฒฐ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ผ๊นŒ์š”?
08:40
to have a less robust health care system, like a Ghana in Africa,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‚˜๋ผ๋“ค์˜ ๋น„๊ฒฐ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
GB: ์Œ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ง€๊ธˆ ๋‹ค๋ฃจ๊ธฐ์—” ์กฐ๊ธˆ ์ด๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:45
have actually done well.
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08:47
What has been the, I guess, the secret sauce
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๋‚˜์ค‘์— ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋‹ฅ์น˜๋Š” ํŒŒ์žฅ์ด ์—†๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:50
for those kinds of countries?
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08:52
GB: Yeah, it's still pretty early in some of their exposures,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„์ง ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์ด ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ,
๊ฒฐ๊ตญ
๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ฌด์‚ฌํžˆ ๊ณต์ค‘ ๋ณด๊ฑด ์‹ค๋ฌด๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
08:56
and hopefully, they might not have a wave that comes later,
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09:00
that's still a possibility,
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์ด๋ฅผ ์ž˜ ํ•œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ตญ๊ฐ€๋“ค์ด
09:02
but at the end of the day,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์‹œํ–‰ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:04
I think, to the extent you have done good, sound public health practices,
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์ด์ œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ณต์žกํ•œ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒ€์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:09
all of the countries that have done well
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09:11
have implemented that.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ง€๋‚œ 3๋‹ฌ๊ฐ„ ํ–ˆ๋˜ ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ๋ฐ˜๋ณตํ•˜๋ฉด ์•ˆ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:12
Now we're a big country, we're a complex country.
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09:16
And yes, we didn't get the testing right to begin with.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒ ์•„์ง ๋ช‡ ๋‹ฌ์ด ๋” ๋‚จ์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
์ด์ œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ž˜๋ชป์„ ํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
09:19
But we should not repeat the mistakes that we had over the last three months,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค์Œ๋ฒˆ์— ์ œ๋Œ€๋กœ ํ•˜๋„๋ก ๊ฒฉ๋ คํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
DB: ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ ์ข‹์€ ๋ง์ด๋„ค์š”.
09:24
because we've still got several months to go.
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GB: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹ค์Œ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋Š” ๋‚ด์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:27
And now that we know what we did wrong,
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DB: ๋งž์•„์š”.
์ด๋ฏธ ์‹œ์ž‘๋˜์—ˆ์ฃ .
09:29
I'm encouraging us to do it right the next time.
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์ œ ๋ง์€, ์ €์—๊ฒ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ณด์ธ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๋งŒ์•ฝ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ด ๋น„์œ ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
09:32
DB: That seems smart.
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09:33
GB: And the next time is tomorrow.
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์ด๋“ค ์ค‘ ๋ช‡๋ช‡ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€๋“ค์€
์ด๋ฏธ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์— ํ•ญ์ฒด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:35
DB: That's right.
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09:37
It's already started.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์—๋ณผ๋ผ, ์‚ฌ์Šค์— ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
09:38
I mean, it almost seems to me,
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09:40
if I can use this metaphor,
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09:41
that some of these countries
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ•ต์‹ฌ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
09:43
already had the, kind of, antibodies in their system,
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09:45
because they had experience with maybe Ebola or the first SARS.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ๊ณต์ค‘ ๋ณด๊ฑด ์œ„๊ธฐ์— ๋…ธ์ถœ๋œ ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
GB: ์Œ, ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฐ”์ด๋Ÿฌ์Šค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งŒ์•ฝ ๊ทธ๊ณณ์— ์ดˆ๊ธฐ ์ฆ๊ฑฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
09:51
Is that the key, previous exposure
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09:53
to these kind of public health crises?
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๋ฉ”๋ฅด์Šค์™€ ์‚ฌ์Šค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:56
GB: Well, this is a very different virus.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ดˆ๊ธฐ ๋ณดํ˜ธ๋ฅผ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
09:59
And while there may be some early evidence
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฐพ๋˜ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐœ์˜ ์ดˆ๊ธฐ ์—ฐ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ,
10:02
that MERS and SARS one,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ•ด๊ฒฐ์ฑ…์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ ๋น„๊ฒฐ์€ ์ ์ ˆํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฒฌ๊ณ ํ•œ ๊ณต์ค‘ ๋ณด๊ฑด ์‹ค๋ฌด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:05
we may have some early protection from that,
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10:09
there's some early, early studies looking at that,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์˜ ๋น„๊ฒฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ, ๋ชจ๋“  ๋น„๋ฐ€์„ ์ฐพ์•„์„œ๋Š” ์•ˆ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:12
that's not the solution.
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10:13
The secret sauce here is good, solid public health practice.
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๋˜๋Š” ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ํŠน๋ณ„ํ•œ ์•ฝ์œผ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๊ตฌํ•˜๋Ÿฌ ์˜ค๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ๋ฉด ์•ˆ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:18
That's the secret sauce here.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ ์ ˆํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฒฌ๊ณ ํ•œ ๊ณต์ค‘ ๋ณด๊ฑด ์‹ค๋ฌด์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:20
We should not be looking for anything, any mysticism,
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ณ , ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
10:24
or anyone to come save us with a special pill.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:27
This is all about good, solid public health practice,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‹ค์Œ์— ๋‹ฅ์น  ์•„์ฃผ ํฐ ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€๋น„ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:30
because, by the way, look,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
10:32
this one was a bad one,
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์ƒ์ƒํ•ด๋ณด์„ธ์š”. ์—๋ณผ๋ผ๊ฐ€ ์—์–ด๋กœ์กธํ™”๋˜์—ˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜,
10:34
but it's not the last one.
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10:36
And so we need to prepare for the next really big one.
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๋ฉ”๋ฅด์Šค๊ฐ€ ์—์–ด๋กœ์กธํ™”๋˜์—ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฌ์„์ง€๋ฅผ์š”.
10:39
We think this one was bad,
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ํ…”๋ ˆ๋น„์ „ ์˜ํ™”๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋‚˜ ๊ณจ๋ผ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
10:41
imagine what would have happened had Ebola been aerosolized,
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์•„๋ฌด๋ฆฌ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ณ„๋กœ์˜€๋”๋ผ๋„,
10:44
or MERS had been aerosolized.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด๋ฒˆ์— ์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ”ผํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:47
You know, pick a TV movie.
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DB: ๋„ค, ์ค‘๋™ ํ˜ธํก๊ธฐ ์ฆํ›„๊ตฐ์€ ์žฅ๋‚œ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:50
Even though this was a bad one,
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10:52
we still dodged a really, really bad one this time.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋” ์‰ฝ๊ฒŒ ํผ์ง€์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์‚ฌ์Šค ๋ฐ”์ด๋Ÿฌ์Šค์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ,
10:57
DB: Yeah, Middle East Respiratory Syndrome is no joke,
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์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๋ณ‘์ด ๋™๋ฌผ์›์„ฑ ๊ฐ์—ผ์ฆ์ธ๋ฐ,
๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์งˆ๋ณ‘์ด ์ € ๋ฐ–์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋™๋ฌผ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์šฐ๋ฆฌํ•œํ…Œ ์˜ฎ๊ฒจ์ง„๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:00
and we should be thankful that it doesn't spread more easily,
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11:04
like SARS-CoV.
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ํ™•์‹คํžˆ, ์ธ๋ฅ˜๋Š” ์ž์—ฐ์„ ์นจํ•ดํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:05
Is this, though --
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11:06
So all these diseases are zoonotic,
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ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์‹œ๊ธ‰ํ•œ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์œผ๋กœ,
11:08
that means they jumped to us from the animals that are out there.
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๊ธฐํ›„ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋“  ์ˆฒ์œผ๋กœ ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€๋“  ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
11:12
Obviously, humanity is kind of encroaching on nature
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ทธ์ € ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ํ‰๋ฒ”ํ•จ์ผ๊นŒ์š”?
11:15
in an ever more, kind of, urgent way,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋งค๋ฒˆ ํŽœ๋ฐ๋ฏน์„ ์˜ˆ์ธกํ•ด์•ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
11:18
whether that's climate change or going into the forests, what have you.
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์กฐ์ง€: ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ฃผ๊ธฐ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜์ง€์š”,
11:23
Is this just the new normal,
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ฒซ ํŽœ๋ฐ๋ฏน์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๋งž์ฃ ?
11:26
like, we should expect pandemics every so often?
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋ฒˆ ๊ฑธ๋ ธ๊ณ 
100๋…„ ์ „์—๋Š” 1918 ์ธํ”Œ๋ฃจ์—”์ž์— ๊ฑธ๋ ธ์ฃ .
11:30
GB: Well, they do come periodically,
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11:33
so this is not, you know, the first pandemic, right?
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์‚ฌ์Šค๋Š” ์‹ฌ๊ฐํ•œ ์ „์—ผ๋ณ‘์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
11:35
We've had several,
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11:38
100 years ago, the 1918 influenza,
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๋น„๋ก ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์‚ฌ์Šค๋งŒํผ ๋‚˜๋น ์ง€์ง„ ์•Š์•˜์ง€๋งŒ์š”.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์กฐ๋ฅ˜ ๋…๊ฐ๋„ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:42
SARS was a significant infection,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‚œ๊ด€์ด์—ˆ๊ณ ,
๋ผ์ง€ ๋…๊ฐ๋„ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:47
even though it didn't get this bad, SARS one.
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์ง€์นด ๋ฐ”์ด๋Ÿฌ์Šค๋„ ์žˆ์—ˆ์ฃ .
์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋ฒˆ์˜ ์‹ ์ข… ์งˆ๋ณ‘์˜ ์œ ํ–‰๋„ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:49
And we had the avian flu,
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11:52
which was a challenge,
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์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚˜๋Š” ์งˆ๋ณ‘๋“ค์€
11:54
and the swine flu.
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11:55
We had Zika.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์ž์ฃผ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ,
11:57
So no, we've had several new disease outbreaks.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์šด์ด ์ข‹์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ์ผ์ฐ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๊ณ ,
12:00
These emerging diseases happen a lot,
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์–ต์ œํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
12:04
and in many ways,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ™˜๊ฒฝ ์†์— ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:07
we've been fortunate
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด ๋‚ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ํ™˜๊ฒฝ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:08
that we have been able to identify them early
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ํ˜„์žฌ ์ด๋Š” ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๊ณ , ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ํ•œ ์ธ๊ณต์ ์ด์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:11
and contain them.
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12:13
But we're now in an environment
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋งˆ ์—ฐ๊ตฌ์‹ค ๋ˆ„์ˆ˜๋กœ ์ƒˆ์–ด๋‚˜์˜จ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:15
where people can, by the way, make some of these things up.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์••๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•™๊ต์— ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ,
12:18
Now, this one did not happen, as best we can tell, it's not man-made.
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๋ฒŒ๋ ˆ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋ฅด๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ๋Š”, ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด ๊ฝค ๋†’์•„์•ผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:23
It did not probably come out of a leak in the lab.
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12:25
But we know that, when I was in school,
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ํ˜„์žฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ž์—ฐ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฐ์—ผ๋ณ‘์—์„œ ์Šค์Šค๋กœ๋ฅผ ๋ณดํ˜ธํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:31
to grow a bug, you had to be pretty sophisticated.
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์ธ์œ„์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜๋Š” ์ „์—ผ๋ณ‘๋„์š”.
12:34
That's not the case today.
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12:35
And we need to protect ourselves from both naturally occurring infections
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DB: ์ถ”๊ฐ€๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์œ„ํ˜‘ ์š”์†Œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ธฐํ›„ ๋ณ€ํ™”๊ฐ™์ด ๋ง์ด์ฃ ,
12:40
and from those that are created by humans.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ด์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ์œ ํ–‰๋ณ‘๋“ค์„ ๋”์šฑ ์•…ํ™”์‹œํ‚ต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:44
DB: Plus we have other, kind of, threat multipliers,
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GB: ๊ธฐํ›„๋ณ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ์ธ๊ฐ„์˜ ์ƒ์กด์— ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์œ„ํ—˜ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:47
like climate change,
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12:49
that make pandemics like this that much worse.
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์ด ์ด์ „์— ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ธฐํ›„๋ณ€ํ™”์— ๋งž๋จน๋Š” ์ˆ˜์ค€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
์ง€๊ธˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ํฐ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋Š”
12:54
GB: You know, I was saying climate change was the greatest threat human survival
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„์ ์ธ ์œ ํ–‰๋ณ‘์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:57
before this one.
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12:59
But this is rivaling climate change.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•„์ง ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฒช์–ด๋ณด์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:00
But let me tell you,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ—ˆ๋ฆฌ์ผ€์ธ ์‹œ๊ธฐ์— ๋“ค์–ด์„œ๋ฉด์„œ
13:02
the big challenge we have now
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13:04
is that we have a pandemic,
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๊ธฐํ›„๋ณ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ–ˆ๊ณ ,
๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฒช๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ํ—ˆ๋ฆฌ์ผ€์ธ์˜ ๊ฐ•๋„๋ฅผ ๊ฐ•ํ™”์‹œํ‚จ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:07
which we have still not contained,
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13:09
as we enter hurricane season,
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ์—ฌ๋ฆ„์„ ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:12
and we have climate change,
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13:14
which is exacerbating the ferocity of the hurricanes that we're having.
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DB: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์—ฌ๊ธฐ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ฒญ์ค‘์ธ ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์˜ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:19
So, you know, we're in for an interesting summer.
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CA: ์‚ฌ์‹ค, ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์กฐ์ง€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋งค์šฐ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:26
DB: And here's Chris with, I think, a question from our audience.
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์ง ์˜์œผ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์˜จ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:30
Chris Anderson: Many questions, actually.
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โ€œ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์‹ฌ๊ฐํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฏฟ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋Œ€ํ•˜๋ฉด ์ข‹์„๊นŒ์š”?โ€
13:33
People are very interested in what you're saying, Georges.
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GB: ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‹จ์ง€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ง„์‹ค์„ ์ „๋‹ฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:37
Here we go, here's the first one from Jim Young:
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13:39
"How do we deal with people who don't believe this is serious?"
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์ด ํŠน๋ณ„ํ•œ ์งˆ๋ณ‘์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š”
13:45
GB: You know, you just have to continue to communicate the truth to folks.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฆฌ์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ •๋‹น์„ ์ธ์ง€ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๊ณ ,
์ง€๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ธ์ง€ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:52
One of the things about this particular disease
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ํŠนํžˆ ๋†์ดŒ์˜ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€
13:55
is that it does not spare anyone.
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13:57
It does not recognize political parties,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„์ง ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:00
it does not recognize geography,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฏฟ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:02
and we had lots of people, particularly in rural communities,
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์ง€๊ธˆ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ด ์งˆ๋ณ‘์œผ๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ํ™ฉํํ•ด์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:05
that were not seeing it, because it had not yet come to them,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:09
and they didn't believe it was real.
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14:10
And now many of those communities are being ravaged by this disease.
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โ€œ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ–ˆ์–ด.โ€œ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ถ€์ ์ ˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ ์ ˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, โ€œ๋ณด์„ธ์š”, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
14:15
And so we just have to --
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๋Œ์•„์™€์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด ๋ฌธ์ œ๋“ค์„ ํ•ด๊ฒฐํ•˜๋„๋ก ๋„์™€์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.โ€
14:18
You know, it's not appropriate to say "I told you so."
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ํ•œ๋™์•ˆ์€ ๊ณ„์†๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:21
It is appropriate to say, "Look, now that you see it,
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ•œ ์ง€์—ญ์— ํ•œ์ •๋œ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
14:24
come on board and help us resolve these problems."
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ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋‚ฎ์€ ์ˆ˜์ค€์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•˜๊ณ ,
14:29
But this is something that's going to be around for a while.
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๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ด ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:32
And if it becomes endemic,
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14:34
meaning that it occurs all the time at some low level,
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CA: ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๋กœ๋ฒ„ํŠธ์˜ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:40
everyone is going to have this experience.
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โ€œ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ณต์ค‘ ๋ณด๊ฑด์„ ๋ฌด์‹œํ•˜๊ณ  ์ž๊ธˆ์„ ์ง€์›ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:43
CA: Thank you.
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14:44
Here is one from Robert Perkowitz.
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์ด ๋ฐ”์ด๋Ÿฌ์Šค์— ์ค€๋น„๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.โ€
๊ทธ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋ถˆ์‘ฅ ํŠ€์–ด๋‚˜์˜ค๋Š”์ง€ ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
14:49
"We seem to have been ignoring and underfunding public health,
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์ €๋Š” ๋งˆ๋ฒ•์œผ๋กœ๋ผ๋„ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
โ€œ๋ฌด์—‡์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์šฐ์„  ์‚ฌํ•ญ์ด ๋˜์–ด์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”?
14:53
and we were unprepared for this virus."
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๋‹ค์Œ ๊ณต์ค‘ ๋ณด๊ฑด ์œ„๊ธฐ์— ๋Œ€๋น„ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.โ€
14:56
Look if the question is going to pop up there,
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14:59
I think it should, by some magic.
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GB: ์Œ, ์ด์ œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ž๊ธˆ ์ง€์›์„ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ํ•  ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:01
"What should our priorities be now
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15:03
to prepare for the next public health crisis?"
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์ž์›, ๊ต์œก, ์ธ๋ ฅ ์ถฉ์›๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:07
GB: Well, we now need to make sure that we've put in the funding,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ๊ณต์ค‘ ๋ณด๊ฑด ์œ„๊ธฐ๋Š”
์ง€๊ธˆ์œผ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ 10๋…„ ํ›„, 20๋…„ ํ›„๋„ ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ณ ,
15:11
resources, training, staffing on the table.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ธํ”Œ๋ฃจ์—”์ž์˜ ์ž ์žฌ์ ์ธ ๋™์‹œ ๋ฐœ์ƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:15
And by the way, our next public health crisis
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์˜ฌ ๊ฐ€์„์— ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:18
is not 10 years from now, it's not 20 years from now,
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งค๋…„ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜๊ณ ,
15:22
it's the potential co-occurrence
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๋”๋ถˆ์–ด ์ฝ”๋กœ๋‚˜๊ฐ€ ์ง€์†๋˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ธ‰์ฆํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
15:26
of influenza, which we know is going to happen this fall,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์งˆ๋ณ‘ ๊ณผ์ •์„ ๊ฒช๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ ,
15:29
because it comes every year,
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15:30
with either continued COVID or a spike in COVID.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ๋˜‘๊ฐ™์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ธํ”Œ๋ฃจ์—”์ž์™€ ์ฝ”๋กœ๋‚˜๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ๋ณ„ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:35
And we're going to have a disease process
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15:38
which presents very much the same,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ธํ”Œ๋ฃจ์—”์ž์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ฐฑ์‹ ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ,
15:41
and we're going to have to differentiate COVID from influenza.
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์•„์ง ์ฝ”๋กœ๋‚˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ฐฑ์‹ ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” 1๋…„ ์ •๋„ ํ›„์—๋Š” ๋ฐฑ์‹ ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ธธ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:46
Because we have a vaccine for influenza,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„์ง ๋‘๊ณ  ๋ณผ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:50
we don't yet have a vaccine for COVID.
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DB: ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ๋…๊ฐ ์˜ˆ๋ฐฉ์ฃผ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ๋งž์œผ์„ธ์š”.
15:52
We hope to have one in about a year.
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CA: ๋งž์•„์š”.
์‚ฌ์‹ค, ๋ฐ์ด๋น—์€ ์ •ํ™•ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:55
But that still remains to be seen.
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โ€œ๋‹ค์Œ์œผ๋กœ ๊ธ‰์ฆํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์— ๋ฐฑ ์‹ ์ด ๋‚˜์˜ฌ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์€ ์–ด๋Š ์ •๋„์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?โ€
15:58
DB: So get your flu shots.
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16:00
CA: Yeah.
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16:02
Indeed, in fact, David Collins asked exactly that question.
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GB: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœํ•ด์˜จ ๋ฐฑ์‹  ์ค‘ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋นจ๋ž๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ™์—ญ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:06
"What is the likelihood of a vaccine before the next wave?"
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ 4๋…„์ด ๊ฑธ๋ ธ์ฃ .
ํ˜„์žฌ, ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‹ฌ๋ผ์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
16:12
GB: Well you know, the fastest vaccine that we've ever developed was measles,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์‚ฌ์Šค ๋ฐฑ์‹ ์„ ์ ‘์ข…ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:16
and that took four years.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งŽ์€ ๋™๋ฌผ์‹คํ—˜์— ์‚ฌ์šฉ๋˜์—ˆ๊ณ ,
16:18
Now, a lot of things are different, right?
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์•„์ฃผ ์ดˆ๊ธฐ ์ธ๊ฐ„์‹คํ—˜์—๋„ ์‚ฌ์šฉ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:22
We have started on a SARS-one vaccine.
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ์ € ์•ˆ๋‚ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ ์–ด๋„ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์›์ˆญ์ด๋“ค, ๋ถ‰์€ ํ„ธ ์›์ˆญ์ด์—๊ฒŒ ํšจ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์•ˆ๋‚ด์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:25
So it had gone to a lot of animal trials,
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16:27
it had gone to some very, very early human trials.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ํšจ๊ณผ์ ์ด๊ณ  ์•ˆ์ „ํ• ์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฅธ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ช‡๋ช‡ ์ฆ๊ฑฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:31
As you know, we just got some announcement
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16:33
that at least it does seem to work in monkeys, in rhesus monkeys,
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์•„์ฃผ ์ ์€ ์ˆ˜์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ์„œ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์•„์ฃผ ์ ์€ ์ˆ˜์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค, ์ฆ‰
16:37
and there's some evidence that at least it may be efficacious and safe
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์†Œ์ˆ˜์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๋งํ•  ๋•Œ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด์ œ 2๋‹จ๊ณ„์™€ 3๋‹จ๊ณ„ ์‹คํ—˜์œผ๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:42
in a very, very small number of people.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์š”. [๋ฐ์ด๋น—] ๋‘ ์†์„ ๋“ค์—ˆ๊ตฐ์š”,
16:44
When I say very, very small number of people,
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16:46
handful of people.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์š”. ์•„์ฃผ ์ ์€ ์ˆ˜์˜์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด์ฃ .
16:48
So now it's got to go to phase two and phase three trials.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•ด์ฃผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋งค์šฐ ์šด์ด ์ข‹์•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜,
16:51
So, yeah, [David] held up two hands,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ํšจ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ˆ˜์ฒœ ๋ช…์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ํŒ”์— ์ด๋ฅผ ์ฃผ์‚ฌํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „๊นŒ์ง„ ๋ชจ๋ฅผ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:55
so yeah, yeah, it's a small number of people.
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16:58
What that tells you is either that those folks were very lucky,
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CA: ์—ฌ๊ธฐ TED Fellow๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์˜จ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:02
or it works.
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17:03
And we won't know until we put this into the arms of thousands of people.
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โ€œ๊ณต์ค‘๋ณด๊ฑด์˜ ์˜๋ฏธ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์•Œ๋ ค์ค„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
ํŠนํžˆ
17:08
CA: Here's an important question from a TED Fellow.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด โ€˜๋Œ€์ค‘โ€™์— ์ฑ…์ž„์„ ๊ฐ€์ง„๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฏฟ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์— ๋ง์ด์ฃ .โ€
17:13
"How do we actually train people about what public health means?
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์กฐ์ง€: ์Œ, ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์ €๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ
17:16
Especially in the context of folks
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๊ณต์ค‘๋ณด๊ฑด์ด ์ตœ์„ ์„ ๋‹คํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ,
17:17
who don't believe they have a responsibility to 'the public?'"
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์•„๋ฌด๊ฒƒ๋„ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ƒ๊ธฐ์‹œํ‚ต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๋ฌผ๋ก  ์•„๋ฌด๊ฒƒ๋„ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๋•Œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ์‹ ์šฉ์„ ์–ป์ง€ ๋ชปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:21
GB: Well, you know, I remind folks
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด ๋‚˜๋ผ์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
17:24
that when public health does its best job,
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๋งค์ผ ์•„์นจ์— ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜์„œ ๋ฌผ์„ ๋“์ผ ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์—†๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋Š”
17:27
nothing happens.
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17:28
And of course, when nothing happens, we don't get credit for it.
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๊ณต์ค‘ ๋ณด๊ฑด ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:31
So the reason that everyone in this country
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์ฐจ ์‚ฌ๊ณ ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
17:34
does not have to get up every morning and boil their own water
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์ž๋™์ฐจ ์ถฉ๋Œ์ด ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜๊ณ ,
์•ˆ์ „๋ฒจํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋งค๊ณ , ์—์–ด๋ฐฑ์ด ์žˆ๊ณ ,
17:38
is because of public health.
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17:40
The reason that, if you get into a car accident,
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์ž๋™์ฐจ ์ถฉ๋Œ๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ์ฃฝ์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋Š”
17:44
you know, get into an automobile collision,
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๊ณต์ค‘ ๋ณด๊ฑด ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:46
and you wear your seat belt, and you have airbags,
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๊ณต๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์ˆจ ์‰ฌ๊ธฐ์— ์•ˆ์ „ํ•˜๊ณ ,
17:49
and you're not killed from that automobile collision,
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์Œ์‹์ด ๋จน๊ธฐ์— ์•ˆ์ „ํ•œ ์ด์œ ๋„
๊ณต์ค‘ ๋ณด๊ฑด ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ž๋…€์˜ ์˜ท์ด ๋ถˆ์— ํƒ€์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋Š”
17:53
is because of public health.
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17:55
The reason that the air is safe to breathe,
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17:57
the food is safe to eat,
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์—ฐ์†Œ๋ฅผ ์ €์ง€ํ•˜๋Š” ์˜ท์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:59
is because of public health.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:01
The reason that your kids are not in clothing that ignites
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ณ„๋‹จ์„ ๋‚ด๋ ค๊ฐ€๋ฉด์„œ ๋ฐœ์„ ํ—›๋””๋””์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋Š”
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ณ„๋‹จ์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ง€์–ด์•ผ
18:06
is because we have fire-retardant clothing.
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18:09
And that is a requirement.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์˜ค๋ฅด๋‚ด๋ฆด ๋•Œ ๋„˜์–ด์ง€์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”์ง€๋ฅผ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:11
The reason that you don't trip walking down the stairs
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์‚ฌ์‹ค ๊ณต์ค‘ ๋ณด๊ฑด์ด ๊ฐœ์ž…ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:14
is because we've actually looked at how to build the stair
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ตฌ์ถ•๋œ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ,
์•ฝํ’ˆ, ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค,
18:18
so that people don't trip when they go up or down it.
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๋ฐฑ์‹ , ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ณต์ค‘ ๋ณด๊ฑด์ด๊ณ 
18:21
That's actually a public health intervention.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ณต์ค‘ ๋ณด๊ฑด์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:23
So the built environment,
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18:25
medicines, all those kinds of things,
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ์ง€ ์•Š์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ
18:28
vaccines, those are all public health,
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18:29
and that's why public health is there,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ ์—†์ด๋Š” ์‚ด ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:33
and you may not believe that it's that important,
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CA: ์–ธ์  ๊ฐ€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ๋ณด๊ฑด ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์„ ๊ตฌ์ƒํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:37
but we couldn't live without it.
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๋ช‡๋ช‡ ์žฅ๋ ค์ฑ…์„ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ .
๊ทธ ์žฅ๋ ค์ฑ…์€ ๊ณต์ค‘ ๋ณด๊ฑด์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฆฌํ‚ต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:41
CA: Maybe one day we can all envision a health care system in America
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹๊ฒ ๋„ค์š”.
๋ฐ์ด๋น—, ์ €๋Š” ๊ดœ์ฐฎ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ๋“ค์„ ๊ณ„์† ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:46
that actually has some incentives
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์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ๋งˆ๊ตฌ ์Ÿ์•„์ง€๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
18:49
that point towards public health.
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์žฌํด๋ฆฐ ์• ์‰ฌ๋น„์˜ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:50
That would be very nice.
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18:52
David, I've got to just keep going with some of these questions, if it's OK,
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๋ชจ๋“  ๋ถ€๋ชจ์—๊ฒŒ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
โ€œ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ํ•™๊ต๋กœ ๋Œ๋ ค๋ณด๋‚ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ถŒ๊ณ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?โ€
18:56
because they're pouring in.
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18:57
There's one here from Jacqueline Ashby.
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GB: ์˜ˆ, ์ €๋Š” ์ด์™€ ํˆฌ์Ÿ ์ค‘์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์„ธ ๋ช…์˜ ์ฆ์†์ž๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
19:00
Important question for every parent.
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โ€‹์ข‹์€ ์†Œ์‹์€ ์ €์˜ ์ฆ์†์ž๋“ค์ด ์ €๋ณด๋‹ค ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋” ๋Šฅ์ˆ™ํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:02
"What are your recommendations about sending children back to school?"
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19:06
GB: Yeah, I'm struggling with this one, I've got three grandkids.
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์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ์›๊ฒฉ์œผ๋กœ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ .
19:09
And the good news is that my grandkids are more technically proficient than I am,
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โ€‹์ €๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ๋„์ „์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•™๊ต์— ๋ณด๋‚ผ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ํ•˜๋‹ˆ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
19:15
and right now are getting their lessons remotely.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋ณ‘์„ ์ž˜ ์˜ฎ๊ธธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€๋ฅผ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์•Œ์•„์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:19
I think it's going to be a challenge
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19:21
as we think about sending kids back to school.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ „์—ผ๋˜์—ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์ž˜ ํ–‰๋™ํ•˜๋Š” ์ง€๋„์š”.
19:23
We're going to really need to know how infectious kids are
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์ง€๊ธˆ์€, ๋‹น์žฅ ์ง€๊ธˆ์€
์•„์ฃผ ํฌ๊ท€ํ•œ ์งˆ๋ณ‘์„ ์•“๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ์†Œ์ˆ˜์˜ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ์ œ์™ธํ•˜๊ณ ๋Š”
19:29
and how well they do when they get infected.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ด ์งˆ๋ณ‘์„ ์•„์ฃผ ์ž˜ ๊ฒฌ๋””๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์ด ๋ณด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:32
Now, right now, it seems,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ฃผ์š” ๋ฌธ์ œ๋Š”,
19:35
except for a very small number of children who get a very rare disease,
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์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋งŽ์€ ์„ธ๊ท ์„ ์˜ฎ๊ธฐ๋Š” ์ง€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:39
that they tolerate this disease very well.
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๋˜ ํ• ๋จธ๋‹ˆ์™€ ํ• ์•„๋ฒ„์ง€์—๊ฒŒ๋„์š”.
19:42
But the central question is,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ด์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:45
how many of these germs will these kids bring back to you
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์—ฌ๋Ÿ ์‚ด ์งœ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด์—๊ฒŒ
์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค๊ณผ ์ƒํ˜ธ์ž‘์šฉํ•˜์ง€ ๋ง๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
19:50
and to grandma and grandpa.
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์ง„์ •ํ•œ ๋„์ „์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:52
So that's going to be important.
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์—ฌ๋‹ด์ด์ง€๋งŒ, ์—ด์ผ๊ณฑ ์‚ด์—๊ฒŒ ์นœ๊ตฌ์™€ ์ƒํ˜ธ์ž‘์šฉํ•˜์ง€ ๋ง๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ์—ญ์‹œ
19:54
And you know, trying to tell an eight-year-old
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์ง„์ •ํ•œ ๋„์ „์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:56
not to interact with their friends,
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ์ ์ ˆํžˆ ๊ต์œกํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ 
19:59
is a real challenge.
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20:00
By the way, trying to tell a 17-year-old not to interact with their friends
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์ผ์ •์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋น„ํ‹€์–ด ๋†“๋Š”์ง€๋ฅผ ์•Œ์•„๋‚ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ง์žฅ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ์œ ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋Š”
20:04
is going to be a real challenge.
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20:06
So, we've got to properly educate these kids,
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ํ•™๊ต์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ๊ฐœ๋…์ด ๋  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:09
we've got to figure out how we stagger their schedules.
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๊ทธ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๊ฐ€ ๊ต์‹ค ์•ˆ ์•„์ด๋“ค์˜ ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์ค„์ด๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
20:12
Uri's idea for the workforce
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋” ์ž‘์€ ๊ต์‹ค์— ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์–ด์จŒ๋“ , ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ๊ต์œก์„ ๋ฐ›์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:15
might be an interesting concept for schools,
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20:18
because the idea is to try to decompress the number of kids in the classroom.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•œ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋น„์œจ์„ ์ œํ•œํ•˜๋Š” ๋‹จ๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:22
By the way, if you get smaller class size, you get better education, anyway.
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CA: ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ธ ํŽ˜ํŠธ๋ผ๋„ฅ์˜ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:27
So, we've got to have enough teachers, though.
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๋งˆ์Šคํฌ. ๋งˆ์Šคํฌ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ์ถฉ๊ณ ๋Š”
20:29
So that may be the rate limiting step.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊บผ๋ฒ„๋ ธ๋„ค์š”, ๊ณ„์† ๊ฐ€๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:32
CA: Alright, last question here for now from [Steven] Petranek.
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๋งˆ์Šคํฌ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ์ถฉ๊ณ ๋Š” ๋ฐ”๋€ ๋“ฏ ๋ณด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
โ€‹โ€œ๋„์‹œ์— ์‚ด๊ณ  ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ธ์ด
20:36
Masks. Advice on masks --
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๋งˆ์Šคํฌ๋ฅผ ์“ฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋” ๋‚˜์„๊นŒ์š”?
20:38
I switched that off, here we go.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋งค์ผ ๋งˆ์ฃผํ•˜๋Š”
20:40
Advice on masks seems to have shifted.
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๊ณต๊ธฐ ์˜ค์—ผ ์ž…์ž๋“ค์„ ์ค„์ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋•๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .โ€
20:43
"Would most Americans who live and work in cities
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์กฐ์ง€: ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์กฐ๊ธˆ์€ ๋„์›€์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ™•์‹คํžˆ์š”.
20:45
be better off wearing masks
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ฉˆ์ท„์œผ๋ฉด ์ข‹๊ฒ ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋งํ•ด๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:47
to also help reduce the air pollution particles
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20:49
they encounter every day?"
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ํ™”์„ ์—ฐ๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ํƒœ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋”์ฐํ•œ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
20:52
GB: It may help some, absolutely.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ธฐํ›„๋ฅผ ํŒŒ๊ดดํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:55
But let me tell you what I would prefer we stopped doing:
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์‚ฌ์‹ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:58
burning fossil fuels.
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20:59
And doing all those terrible things
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์ด์‚ฐํ™”ํƒ„์†Œ๋ฅผ ์—„์ฒญ๋‚˜๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ์ถ•ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด์š”.
21:02
that we are doing to destroy our climate.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ฐจ๋ฅผ ์šด์ „ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ–ˆ์ฃ .
21:06
You know, everyone's talking about the fact
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21:08
that we've had this amazing reduction
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์ €๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์—๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ธฐํ›„ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์ธ๊ฐ„์ด ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด๋ƒˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์ฆ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ ์š”.
21:11
in CO2 because we're not driving cars.
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๊ธฐํ›„ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์ธ๊ฐ„์ด ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด๋‚ธ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š”
21:16
I've got to tell you,
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๋ชจ๋“  ๊ธฐํ›„ ๋ณ€ํ™” ํšŒ์˜์ฃผ์˜์ž ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„,
21:17
that is the best evidence that climate change is man-made.
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์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„์ ์ธ ์ฆ๋ช…์„ ์ด์ œ ๋ง‰ ๋๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:22
All those climate change skeptics
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์ธ๊ฐ„์ด ๊ธฐํ›„ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด๋‚ธ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ .
21:24
who don't think climate change is man-made,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์€ ๋ฉˆ์ถ”๊ณ 
21:26
we have just had a worldwide demonstration
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๋…น์ƒ‰ ๊ฒฝ์ œ๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:30
on what people do to create climate change.
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DB: ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
CA: ๋ง์”€ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:34
And so what we need to do is stop
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์ €๋Š” ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ๋” ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์— ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋Œ์•„์˜ค๋„๋ก ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:37
and move to a green economy.
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๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
DB: ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ๋งˆ์Šคํฌ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋‘ ์† ๋‘ ๋ฐœ ๋‹ค ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ตฐ์š”.
21:40
DB: Here, here.
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21:41
CA: Thank you so much for those,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๋˜ํ•œ, ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋”
21:43
I'll dip back in at the end with maybe a couple more.
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21:46
Thank you for this.
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์ด๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ํ™•์‹คํ•ด์ง„ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:47
DB: So we're waving the flag for masks.
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๋ฐ”๋กœ ์ฝ”๋กœ๋‚˜19๊ฐ€ ๋ช‡๋ช‡ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋ฐ”๋ž๋˜ ๊ฒƒ๋งŒํผ ํ‰๋“ฑํ•˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:50
But also, one of the things
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๋ช‡๋ช‡ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ํ›จ์”ฌ ์‹ฌํ•œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์„ ๊ฒช๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ 
21:54
that has become clear from this
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21:56
is that COVID-19 is not the great leveler that maybe some had hoped it was.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ง€์—ญ๋ณด๋‹ค ํ™•์—ฐํžˆ ์‹ฌ๊ฐํ•œ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ .
์™œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฑธ๊นŒ์š”?
22:02
Some communities are experiencing much worse,
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์กฐ์ง€: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•„ํ”„๋ฆฌ์นด๊ณ„ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ฃผ๋กœ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๋ผํ‹ด์•„๋ฉ”๋ฆฌ์นด์ธ๋„ ํ•จ๊ป˜์š”.
22:06
significantly worse outcomes than others.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์งˆ๋ณ‘์„ ์–ป์—ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ๋ถˆ๊ท ํ˜•ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์˜ํ–ฅ ๋ฐ›๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ณด์ด์ฃ .
22:08
Why is that?
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22:11
GB: We're talking principally about the African American
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ฃผ๋กœ ๋…ธ์ถœ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:14
and Latino communities
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22:15
that seem to be disproportionately impacted if they get the disease.
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์ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋Œ€์ค‘ ์•ž์—์„œ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์ง์—…์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๋ฒ„์Šค ์šด์ „๊ธฐ์‚ฌ ๋‹˜๋“ค,
22:21
And it's because of exposure, primarily.
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์‹๋ฃŒํ’ˆ์  ์ง์›๋ถ„๋“ค,
์žฅ๊ธฐ๊ฐ„์˜ ๋Œ๋ด„ ์‹œ์„ค์ด๋‚˜
22:24
Those populations have more public-facing jobs.
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์–‘๋กœ์›,
22:27
So, you know, bus drivers,
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๊ณ ๊ธฐ ๋„์ถ• ์‹œ์„ค, ์–‘๊ณ„์žฅ์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด์ฃ .
22:30
grocery clerks,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ด ์งˆ๋ณ‘์— ๋” ์ž˜ ๋…ธ์ถœ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:32
working in long-term care facilities,
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๋ฏผ๊ฐํ•˜์ฃ .
22:35
nursing homes,
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22:36
in meatpacking facilities, chicken farms.
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๋งŽ์€ ๋งŒ์„ฑ ์งˆํ™˜์„ ์•“๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํŠนํžˆ ์•„ํ”„๋ฆฌ์นด๊ณ„ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ธ์ด
22:39
So that's why they're much more -- going to be exposed to the disease.
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๋‹น๋‡จ๋ณ‘, ์‹ฌ์žฅ์งˆํ™˜์„ ๋ถˆ๊ท ํ˜•์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งŽ์ด ์•“๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:43
Susceptibility.
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22:45
Lots of chronic disease.
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22:46
So we know that particularly African Americans
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ํ ์งˆํ™˜๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋งŒ์„ฑ ์งˆํ™˜ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
22:49
have disproportionate amounts of diabetes, heart disease,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด ๋ฐ”์ด๋Ÿฌ์Šค๊ฐ€
22:55
lung disease,
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์งˆ๋ณ‘์„ ์•“๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋” ํ•ด๋กญ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ผ์ฐ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์ฃ .
22:56
and because of those chronic diseases,
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22:59
we found early on that that virus
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํฐ ๋…ผ์Ÿ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ฐจ์ด๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:03
is more detrimental to those populations that have those diseases.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ต‰์žฅํ•œ ๋„์ „์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:07
And so that's the big issue here.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ,
๊ทธ๋“ค์€
23:10
That is what's causing those differentiations
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ผญ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๋…ธ๋™ ์ธ๊ตฌ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋‹จ์–ธํ•ด์˜จ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด๊ณ 
23:13
and it's really a challenge,
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์ผํ•˜๋Ÿฌ ๊ฐˆ ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
23:15
because in many ways,
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DB: ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์‹œ์„ ์—์„œ, โ€‹๊ณต๊ณต ๋ณด๊ฑด์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ฐœ์ž…ํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”?
23:18
those are many of the people
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23:19
that we have decided are essential employees
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์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ํ•„์ˆ˜ ๋…ธ๋™ ์ธ๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ๋ณดํ˜ธํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ์š”.
23:22
and have to go to work.
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์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด ์žˆ์œผ์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
23:25
DB: That's right.
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23:26
So what is, in your view, the public health intervention
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GB: ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ฆ์ƒ์— ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜์„ ๋‘” ์‹คํ—˜ ์ „๋žต์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:29
to protect these essential workers,
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23:32
if you have ideas on that front?
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ง€๊ธˆ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•œ ์‹คํ—˜์„ ๊ฑฐ์ณค๊ณ 
23:35
GB: I absolutely do.
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23:36
We started this by a testing strategy based on symptoms.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ž„์ƒ์ ์ธ ์ด์œ ๋กœ ์ด ์‹คํ—˜์„ ๋ฐ›์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ
์ฆ์ƒ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๋งŒ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
23:42
And now that we have enough tests,
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๋Œ€์ค‘์„ ๋งŒ๋‚˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ์šฐ์„ ์ˆœ์œ„๋กœ ๋งค๊ธฐ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ํ•„์š”๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:45
we need to make sure that not only people get those tests for clinical reasons,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๋…ธ๋™์ž์ด์ฃ .
๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ, ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์š”์–‘์›์ด๋‚˜ ๋ณ‘์›์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
23:48
and people who have symptoms,
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23:50
but also begin to prioritize people who are public-facing,
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๋ฒ„์Šค ์šด์ „๊ธฐ์‚ฌ, ๊ฒฝํ˜ธ์›,
23:54
who are essential workers.
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์‹๋ฃŒํ’ˆ์  ์ง์›๋“ค๊นŒ์ง€ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:55
So, certainly people working in nursing homes, hospitals, etc.,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์‹คํ—˜ ๋ฐ›์•„์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ ,
์ฃผ๊ธฐ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‹คํ—˜ ๋ฐ›์•„์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:59
but bus drivers, security guards,
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๊ทธ๋“ค๊ณผ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์„ ์ง€ํ‚ค๊ณ 
24:02
grocery store clerks.
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๋ชจ๋“  ์ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์‹ ๋ขฐ๋ฅผ ์ฃผ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
24:04
They need to be tested,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ์—ผ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ 
24:05
and they need to have testing with the periodicity
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๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ๊ฐ์—ผ์‹œํ‚ค์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์‹ ๋ขฐ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:08
that will secure them, their families,
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๊ณ ๊ธฐ ๋„์ถ• ์‹œ์„ค์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด
24:10
and give everyone the trust
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๊ทธ ์˜ˆ์‹œ์ด์ฃ .
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ง„์ •ํ•œ ๋น„๊ทน์„ ๋ดค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:12
that they're not going to be infected
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๊ณ ๊ธฐ ํฌ์žฅ ๊ณต์žฅ์—์„œ ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ๋ฒŒ์–ด์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ .
24:14
and we're not going to infect them.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์–ด๊นจ๋ฅผ ๋งˆ์ฃผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:16
People who work in meatpacking plants,
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24:18
as an example.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ผ๋„ ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
24:20
And we've seen the real tragedy
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24:21
of what's going on in the meatpacking plants,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์กฐ๋ฆฝ์„ค๋น„์— ๋ฌผ๋ฆฌ์  ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋‘ฌ์•ผ ํ• ์ง€๋ฅผ ์•Œ์•„๋‚ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ์ผ์ด๋ฉฐ
24:23
because they are working in an environment where they're shoulder to shoulder.
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๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ์œ ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋Š” ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:27
There are some other things they need to do
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๊ตญ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•˜๊ณ ,
24:29
in terms of figuring out how to give them physical distancing on the assembly line,
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๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฐ์—…์ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ์— ๋‚˜์œ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:33
that's going to be important.
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DB ๋„ค, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:34
But again, Uri's idea is not a bad idea
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์ด๋“ค์ด ํฌ์ƒ์ ์ธ ๋…ธ๋™์ž๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๋…ธ๋™์ž๋กœ ๋Œ€์šฐ๋ฐ›์•„์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„์š”. ์ €์—๊ฒŒ๋Š”์š”.
24:37
for this nation to consider,
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24:38
for many of those industries to think about.
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24:41
DB: Yeah, we have to make sure that these truly are folks
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๋ช…๋ฐฑํžˆ ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—๋งŒ ๊ตญํ•œ๋œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:45
who are treated as essential workers, not sacrificial workers, it seems to me.
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GB: ์˜ค, ๋‹น์—ฐํ•˜์ฃ .
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด ์ฐจ์ด๋ฅผ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
24:50
And obviously, this is not just confined to the US.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ๋„ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์ธ์ข…์ด๋‚˜ ์‹ ๋ถ„,
24:54
GB: Oh, absolutely.
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24:56
We're seeing these disparities not just in the United States,
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์–ด๋–ค ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€,
์–ด๋–ค ์ง์—…์„ ๊ฐ€์กŒ๋Š”์ง€์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด์ฃ .
24:59
but in other countries as well.
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25:01
And they have a lot to do with race and class
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฝค ์†”์งํ•˜๊ฒŒ
์ตœ์ดˆ์˜ ๋ฐ์ดํ„ฐ๋ฅผ ๋ดค์„ ๋•Œ ์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ดค์–ด์•ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:05
and the types of jobs that you do,
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25:07
the occupations that you do.
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๊ทธ ๋ฐ์ดํ„ฐ๋Š” ์ค‘๊ตญ์—์„œ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ์—ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ
25:10
And quite frankly,
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๋งŒ์„ฑ ์งˆํ™˜์„ ์•“๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ํฐ ์œ„ํ—˜์— ๋…ธ์ถœ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๊ณ 
25:12
we should have thought about this when we saw the first data
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๋” ์•ˆ ์ข‹์€ ๊ฑด๊ฐ• ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋‚ด์šฉ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:16
that showed that in China
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ ์ฆ‰์‹œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ํ–‰๋™์— ๋ฐ•์ฐจ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€ํ–ˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๋ณด์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๋ชจ๋“  ์งˆ๋ณ‘์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
25:19
people with chronic diseases were much more at risk
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๊ทธ ์งˆ๋ณ‘๋“ค์€ ์ด ๋‚˜๋ผ๋กœ ๋“ค์–ด์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:22
and had worse health outcomes.
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25:24
We would have sped up our actions right away,
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DB: ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:27
because, look, that's happened with every new disease
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25:30
that's come into the country.
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๋ชจ์ˆœ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ,
๊ณต์ค‘ ๋ณด๊ฑด์€ ๋ชจ๋‘์˜ ์ผ์ด๋ฏ€๋กœ
25:33
DB: So it seems like a lot of this goes back to that potential --
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์—ฌ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์‹œ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด๊ธฐ์—
ํƒ„ํƒ„ํ•œ ๊ณต๊ณต ๋ณด๊ฑด ์‹œ์„ค์€ ์–ด๋•Œ ๋ณด์ด๋‚˜์š”?
25:39
it's not an oxymoron,
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25:40
public health is everybody's job,
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์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฒผ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
25:42
and we need to adopt that.
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25:44
What does, in your view,
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GB: ๋‹น์‹ ๋„ ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ
์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ฑด๊ฐ• ์œ„ํ˜‘์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์‚ฌํšŒ์— ๋“ค์ด๋‹ฅ์น  ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค
25:47
a robust public health infrastructure look like?
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์‹ ์†ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์‹๋ณ„ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ ,
25:50
What would that look like?
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์–ต์ œํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๋งŒ์•ฝ ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์™„ํ™”ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•œ ์ œ๊ฑฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
25:53
GB: Well, you know,
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25:54
anytime a new health threat enters our community,
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25:57
we ought to be able to rapidly identify it,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ชจ๋“  ๋ณดํ˜ธ์กฐ์น˜๋ฅผ ์ทจํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:59
contain it,
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์ „์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:00
and if we can mitigate it, for sure, and eliminate it if possible,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ณง ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•œ ์ธ๋ ฅ์„ ๋™์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•˜๊ณ ,
์ž˜ ํ›ˆ๋ จ๋œ ์ •๋ถ€ ๋ณด๊ฑด๊ธฐ๊ด€์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:05
and then put in all the protective measures
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26:07
that we had before.
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๋งˆ์น˜ ๊ฒฝ์ฐฐ, ์†Œ๋ฐฉ, ์ „์ž์ œํ’ˆ ์ƒ์‚ฐ์ „๋ฌธ๊ธฐ์—…์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:09
So that means having a well-staffed,
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26:12
well-trained governmental public health entity,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ณง ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ž„๊ธˆ์„ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํžˆ ๋ฐ›์•„์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ 
์ž์›์„ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํžˆ ์ง€๊ธ‰๋ฐ›์•„์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋œป์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:16
just like we have for police, fire, EMS.
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•„์ง ์ ‘์ด‰ ์ถ”์ ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:20
It means that they've got to be well-paid,
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ํŽœ๊ณผ ํŒจ๋“œ๋ฅผ ์ด์šฉํ•ด์„œ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
26:24
it means that they've got to be well-resourced.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์—‘์…€ ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ์‹œํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ด์šฉํ•ด ๋ณด๋ƒ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:27
You know, we still have some of our contact tracers
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:29
out there using pen and pads.
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ
26:33
And sending things to Excel Spreadsheets.
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์•„๋งˆ์กด์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ชจ๋“  ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ ํŒ๋งค์ž๋“ค์ด ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
26:36
No, we need the same kind of robust technology
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26:39
that the folks at, you know,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋’ค์— ์žˆ๋Š” 2๋…„ ์ „ ๋ฐ์ดํ„ฐ๋ฅผ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:42
any of the online retailers are using, whether it's Amazon, etc.
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๋ฐ์ดํ„ฐ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜์œผ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ๋‚ด๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ์ฃ .
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ฆ‰๊ฐ์ ์ธ ๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ๋‚ด๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:47
We're still looking at data that's two years in the rear
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ํ•œํŽธ, ๋Œ€๋งŒ์€
๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ „์— ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ
26:51
to make data-driven decisions.
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์ €๋Š” ํƒ€์ด์™„์—์„œ
์‹ค์‹œ๊ฐ„์œผ๋กœ ์ „์—ผ๋ณ‘ ๋ฐ์ดํ„ฐ๋ฅผ ์ง€์ผœ๋ดค๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:54
We need to be able to make immediate decisions.
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26:56
By the way, Taiwan,
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26:57
you mentioned them earlier,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์ „์ž ์˜๋ฃŒ ๊ธฐ๋ก ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์—์„œ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:59
I remember being in Taiwan
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์€ ์กด์žฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:01
watching data come from infectious diseases, real time,
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DB: ์ƒ์ƒํ•ด ๋ณด์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
27:05
from their electronic medical record system.
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์™€, ์‹ค์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๊ฑด๊ฐ• ์ •๋ณด๊ฐ€
์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ํฐ ์ฐจ์ด๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด ๋‚ด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ.
27:08
So, you know, we can do this, the technology exists.
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๊ตฌ๊ธ€๊ณผ ์• ํ”Œ์ด ํ˜‘๋ ฅํ•˜๋“  ๋ญ๋“  ๊ทธ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๋„์›€๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
27:12
DB: Imagine that.
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27:13
Wow, real time health information,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๋„์›€๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
27:16
what a difference that would make.
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27:19
Do you think that technology can help us here,
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GB: ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋„์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋Œ€์ฒดํ•  ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:23
whether that's the Google-Apple collaboration or whatever else?
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ์ € ํŽธํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์•‰์•„
์ „์ž ์•„๋ฐ”ํƒ€๊ฐ€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ทผ์ฒ˜์—๋„ ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:28
GB: Technology can help us,
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27:29
but it's not going to replace us.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ผ์„ ๋Šฅ๊ฐ€ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:32
We're nowhere near where we can sit back
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ๋”ฐ๋ฅธ ์ธ์‹์„ ๋„์™€์ค„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:34
and have our electronic avatar do our work for us.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์‹ค์‹œ๊ฐ„ ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์ค„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํฌ์ธํŠธ A ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ B๊นŒ์ง€ ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋‚ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ํ—ˆ์šฉํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:40
But the technology can outstrip our work.
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27:42
It can give us situational awareness.
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๋ฐ์ดํ„ฐ ๋ถ„์„์„ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋„๋ก ํ•ด์ค๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:45
It can give us real time information.
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27:47
It allows us to send information from point A to point B
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๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ชจ๋ธ๋ง ํ•˜๊ณ 
๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ด๊ฐ€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๋„๋ก ํ•ด์ค๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:51
for data analysis.
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27:53
It allows us to do second thinking,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์—ฐ๊ตฌ ์†๋„๋ฅผ ๋†’์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:55
so we're doing all this modeling,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ํˆฌ์žํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ 
27:57
it allows others to check our numbers right away.
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๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๋…ธํ›„ํ™”๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์˜ ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
28:02
So it could speed up research.
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28:05
But we have to invest in it,
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DB: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค๊ฐ€ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์˜จ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:08
and we have to continue it,
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28:10
because obsolescence is always the evil part of technology.
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CA: ๋„ค, ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋๋‚˜๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ
์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ๊ณ„์† ๋“ค์–ด์˜ต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๋‹๋ ˆ์ด ๋ฐ”ํŠธ์˜ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ํ•˜๋‚˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:16
DB: And it looks like Chris is back with more questions.
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๊ณต์›๊ณผ ์‚ฐ์ฑ…๋กœ, ๊ฐœ๋ฐฉ ๊ณต๊ฐ„์ด
28:19
CA: Yeah, I guess we're getting close to the end,
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28:21
but the questions keep coming in.
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28:23
There's one here from Neelay Bhatt.
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๋” ํฐ ๊ณต์ค‘ ๋ณด๊ฑด ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋ฅผ ์ง€์›ํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ ์–ด๋–ค ์—ญํ• ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
28:27
"What role do you see parks, trails and open space play
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์กฐ์ง€: ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๋…น์ƒ‰ ๊ณต๊ฐ„์€ ๋‹น์—ฐํžˆ ํ•„์ˆ˜์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:32
in assisting larger public health goals?"
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๋ฐ–์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜๊ฐ€์„œ ๊ฑท๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์šด๋™ํ•˜๋Š” ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์„ ๊ธฐ๋ฅด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜,
28:36
GB: You know, green space is absolutely essential,
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์ธ๋„๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์–ด ๊ฑธ์–ด ๋‹ค๋‹ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ง€์—ญ์‚ฌํšŒ๋ฅผ ์กฐ์„ฑํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ 
์ž์ „๊ฑฐ๋ฅผ ํƒˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ๋ชจ๋“  ์—ฐ๋ น๋Œ€๊ฐ€ ์ด์šฉํ•˜๊ธฐ์— ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:41
and the ability to get out and walk and exercise,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ •์‹  ๊ฑด๊ฐ•, ์‹ ์ฒด ๊ฑด๊ฐ•์—๋„ ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:44
having sidewalks, so that you can have communities that are walkable,
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ํ•ญ์ƒ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ
28:48
bikeable and green for utilization of all ages,
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ์‹ ๊ฒฝ๊นŒ์ง€ ๊ฑด๋“œ๋ ธ์„ ๋•Œ ๊ฐ€๊ธฐ ์ข‹์€ ๊ณณ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:52
it's good for our mental health, it's good for our physical health.
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CA: ๋งž๋„ค์š”.
28:56
And I always tell folks, you know,
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์ต๋ช…์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ํ•˜๋‚˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:58
it's a great place to go when someone's gotten on your last nerve.
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๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•œ ์ต๋ช…์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ง™์‹œ๋‹ค.
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋‘ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ์นœ๊ตฌ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
29:03
CA: Indeed.
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29:05
Here we have one anonymous question.
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์•„๋งˆ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๋Š”.... ์–ด์จŒ๋“ ,
29:07
Where possible don't go anonymous,
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๋ด…์‹œ๋‹ค, ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ข‹์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:10
because we're all friends here when all said and done.
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โ€œ์ง„์งœ ์ „๋ฌธ๊ฐ€๋“ค์ด ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ง์„ ๋งค์šฐ ์˜์‹ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
29:13
Probably someone ... Anyway.
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๋งค์šฐ ์˜์‹ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
29:16
Let's see, but it's a good question.
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๋œ ์˜์‹ฌํ•˜๊ณ  ๋” ์‹ ๋ขฐํ•˜๋„๋ก ๋•๋Š” ๋ฐ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ด ํšจ๊ณผ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
29:18
"There are many who are highly suspicious of what the real experts are saying.
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GB: ์‚ฌ์‹ค๋Œ€๋กœ ๋งํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
29:22
What have you found to be effective in helping the highly suspicious
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ์ธ์ •ํ•˜๊ณ , ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ณ ์น˜๋„๋ก ํ•ฉ์‹œ๋‹ค.
29:25
be less suspicious and more trusting?"
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29:28
GB: Tell the truth.
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ํ•œ๊ฒฐ๊ฐ™์•„์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:31
If you make a mistake, acknowledge it and correct it right away.
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๋ฐ”๋ณด ๊ฐ™์€ ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ง์•„์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:36
Be consistent.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ž์ฃผ ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:39
And don't say stupid stuff.
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ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ์‚ฌ์‹ค์€
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด๋ฏธ ๋งˆ์Šคํฌ ํ† ๋ก ์œผ๋กœ ์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งํ•œ ์ ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:45
And far too often that happens.
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์ „ํ†ต์ ์ธ ์ง€ํ˜œ๋Š” ๋งˆ์Šคํฌ๋ฅผ ์ฐฉ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:48
And you know, one of the interesting things,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ „์—ผ์„ฑ์ด ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ๋งŒ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
29:51
we've already been through this with the mask discussion.
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์˜๋ฃŒ ๋ณดํ˜ธ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์งˆ๋ณ‘์— ๊ฑธ๋ฆด ๋†’์€ ์œ„ํ—˜์ด ์กด์žฌํ•˜๋Š” ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์ด์ฃ .
29:54
You know, traditional wisdom was that we only had people wear the mask
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:58
if they were infectious,
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๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๋งˆ์Šคํฌ๋ฅผ ์“ฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ดœ์ฐฎ๋‹ค๊ณ ์š”.
30:00
or you're in a health care environment
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์•Œ์•„๋ƒˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
30:02
where there was a high risk of getting the disease.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๋ฏฟ์Œ์ง์Šค๋Ÿฌ์›Œ์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
30:04
And then we said,
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30:06
no, it's OK for everybody to wear a mask.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์ฆ์ƒ ํ™•์‚ฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ณผํ•™์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
30:09
And that's because we learned eventually,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ œ๋Œ€๋กœ ์ „๋‹ฌํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:12
and became much more believable,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ๋ฐ”๊ฟ”์„œ, ์˜ค, ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”
30:15
in the science that we had asymptomatic spreading.
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๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๋งˆ์Šคํฌ๋ฅผ ์“ธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋งˆ์Šคํฌ๋ฅผ ์“ฐ์ง€ ๋ง๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•œ ํ›„์— ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:19
But we did not communicate it very well.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:22
We said, oh, no, no, we're changing our minds,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์‹ ๋ขฐ๋ฅผ ์žƒ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:24
everybody can wear a mask,
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋” ์ž˜ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:25
after telling people not to wear a mask.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ง€๋„์ž๋Š”
30:27
And then we didn't spend enough time explaining to people why.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ํ™”๋‚ฌ์„ ๋•Œ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ง์— ๋งค์šฐ ์‹ ์ค‘ํ•  ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:31
So we lost trust.
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30:33
So we need to do a better job of that.
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ณ , ์ €๋Š” ์‹ค์ˆ˜ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:35
And then our leaders
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์ €๋Š” TV์—์„œ ์ž˜๋ชป๋œ ๋ง์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:38
need to be very careful what they say when you have a bullhorn.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ‹€๋ ธ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ๊ณ ์น˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:43
And by the way, I've made mistakes,
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๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•œ ํ•œ ๋นจ๋ฆฌ์š”.
30:45
I've said things on TV that were just wrong,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ,
ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํžˆ ๊ฐ•ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ 
30:48
because I was wrong.
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30:50
And I've tried very hard to try to correct those
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํ‹€๋ ธ์„ ๋•Œ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๋งŒํผ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํžˆ ๊ฐ•ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ 
30:53
as quickly as I can.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ณ ์ณ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:54
All of us do that,
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๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์‹ ๋ขฐ๋ฅผ ์žƒ๊ฒŒ ๋œ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
30:56
but you have to be strong enough
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30:58
and have a strong enough personality to say when you're wrong
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์žƒ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:02
and then correct it.
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CA: ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๋งŒ์•ฝ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด
31:03
Because at the end of the day, once you've lost trust,
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ง€๊ธˆ ์†Œํ†ตํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹,
๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ์ œ ๋ง์€, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต ์ˆ˜๋‹จ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:07
you've lost everything.
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์‹ ๋ขฐ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด๋‚ด๋Š” ์ˆ˜๋‹จ์ด์ฃ .
31:11
CA: Well if I might say so,
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31:12
just the way in which you're communicating right now,
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๋ฌด์Šจ ๋น„๊ฒฐ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”์ง€๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ
๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋ง์„ ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๊ฑด ๋งค์šฐ, ๋งค์šฐ ์„ค๋“๋ ฅ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:15
I mean, to me, that is a means of communication
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31:18
that engenders trust.
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์ด์— ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:20
I don't know what magic sauce you have going there,
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๋ฐ์ด๋น—, ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ๋ง์€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
GB: ์ €๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:23
but it's very, very compelling listening to you.
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DB: ๊ทธ๋ž˜์š”, ์•„๋‹ˆ, ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ๊ณ ๋ง™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:26
Thank you so much for this.
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ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํ•ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:29
David, do you have any other last cues?
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ํ•ด๋„ ๋œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ์งˆ๋ฌธ ํ•˜๋‚˜ ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:31
GB: I've made lots of mistakes.
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31:33
DB: Yeah, no, but it really has been a real pleasure
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•œ๋™์•ˆ ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
31:36
to have you join us, and thank you for that.
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๋ฌด์—‡์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์•ž์„ ๋ณผ ํฌ๋ง์„ ์ฃผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
31:39
Just one final question if I may.
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31:41
You've been doing this for a while,
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GB: ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋‚˜ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ œ๊ฒŒ ํฌ๋ง์„ ์ค€ ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋Š”
31:44
what gives you hope looking forward?
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์นœ๊ตฌ์™€ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์„ ๋ณด์‚ดํ”ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ณผ ๋•Œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ œ ๋ง์€, ๋“œ๋ผ์ด๋ธŒ-๋ฐ”์ด ์ƒ์ผ ํŒŒํ‹ฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:50
GB: You know, let me tell you something.
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31:52
The one thing that gives me hope
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์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜ค๋Š˜ ๋‰ด์Šค์—์„œ ๋ณด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:53
is when I see people taking care of their friends and family members.
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์นœ๊ตฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์ „ํ™”๋ฅผ ๊ฑฐ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„์š”.
๋ช‡ ๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ์–˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋“ค์€ ์  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
31:57
I mean, drive-by birthday parties.
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ์ € ์ „ํ™”๋ฅผ ๊ฑธ์–ด
32:00
I saw that on the news today.
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โ€œ๋„ˆ๋ž‘ ๋งํ•œ ์ง€ ์˜ค๋ž˜๋œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„. ๋„ˆ ์ž˜ ์ง€๋‚ด?โ€๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:03
People who are calling their friends.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ํ•ฉ์‹œ๋‹ค.
32:04
I've heard from people that I haven't talked to in years,
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์„œ๋กœ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์‹ ๋ขฐ,
32:07
who are just calling me to say,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ค€ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘์€ ์ •๋ง ๋†€๋ผ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:09
"I haven't talked to you for a long time. Are you OK?"
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฒŒ ํฌ๋ง์„ ์ฃผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:11
So do more of that.
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DB: ์ธ๋ฅ˜๋Š” ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์—” ์Šน๋ฆฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:13
And the trust we've had in one another,
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GB: ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:15
and the love we've shown, it's just been absolutely amazing,
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DB: ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๋ฒค์ž๋ฏผ ๋ฐ•์‚ฌ๋‹˜.
32:18
so that gives me hope.
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์ €ํฌ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํ•ด์ฃผ์‹œ๊ณ  ์ง€ํ˜œ๋ฅผ ๊ณต์œ ํ•ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:20
DB: Humanity for the win in the end.
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32:23
GB: Yeah.
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GB: ์ด ์ž๋ฆฌ์— ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด ๊ธฐ๋ปค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:24
DB: Well, thank you so much, Dr. Benjamin,
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CA: ๋„ค, ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
GB: ๋ชจ๋‘ ์•ˆ์ „ํ•˜๊ธธ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:27
for joining us and for sharing your wisdom.
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๊ฐ€์กฑ๋„ ์•ˆ์ „ํ•˜๊ธธ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
DB: ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๋‹น์‹ ๋„์š”,
32:31
GB: Glad to be here.
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32:33
CA: Yes, thank you.
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32:34
GB: You guys be safe.
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32:36
Your families be safe.
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32:38
DB: Thank you, you too.
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์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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