Deborah Scranton: Scenes from "The War Tapes"

29,806 views ・ 2007-09-18

TED


Please double-click on the English subtitles below to play the video.

00:26
Three years ago, I got a phone call, based on an earlier film I had made,
0
26000
3000
00:29
with an offer to embed the New Hampshire National Guard.
1
29000
4000
00:33
My idea -- and literally, I woke up in the middle of the night,
2
33000
3000
00:36
and we've all have those moments. You know, you go to sleep --
3
36000
2000
00:38
I was excited, with this phone call.
4
38000
3000
00:41
I was thinking, I just finished making another film about World War II vets,
5
41000
3000
00:44
and I realized I'd gotten to know their stories,
6
44000
2000
00:46
and I realized this was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity
7
46000
4000
00:50
to tell a warrior's story as it unfolded.
8
50000
2000
00:52
So I went to bed that night pretty excited.
9
52000
3000
00:55
Not sure of all the details, but excited.
10
55000
5000
01:00
It wasn't at four in the morning, but it was closer to midnight.
11
60000
2000
01:02
Woke straight up. Wide-awake as could be.
12
62000
2000
01:04
And I had this idea: what if I could, in effect, virtually embed,
13
64000
3000
01:07
and create a permeable relationship with the soldiers?
14
67000
3000
01:10
To tell the story from the inside out, versus the outside in?
15
70000
4000
01:14
So, I called back Major Heilshorn,
16
74000
2000
01:16
who's the public affairs officer of the New Hampshire National Guard.
17
76000
2000
01:18
And he knew me, so I was like, "Greg?"
18
78000
3000
01:21
He's like, "Yes, Deborah?"
19
81000
2000
01:23
Told him my idea, and you know,
20
83000
3000
01:26
he is one of the bravest men in the world,
21
86000
2000
01:28
as is General Blair, who, in the end, gave me permission to try this experiment.
22
88000
5000
01:33
Within 10 days, I was down at Fort Dix.
23
93000
2000
01:35
He gave me my pick of units.
24
95000
2000
01:37
I picked one unit -- Charlie Company, Third of the 172nd,
25
97000
3000
01:40
they're mountain infantry -- for two reasons.
26
100000
2000
01:42
One, they're infantry.
27
102000
2000
01:44
Number two, they were going to be based at LSA Anaconda,
28
104000
3000
01:47
so I knew they would have Internet access.
29
107000
2000
01:49
The caveat for my access was I had to get the soldiers to volunteer.
30
109000
2000
01:51
This was a big thing that
31
111000
2000
01:53
I think when Major H told me,
32
113000
2000
01:55
I wasn't really totally gathering what that would mean.
33
115000
3000
01:58
So what that meant was, when I went down to Fort Dix,
34
118000
2000
02:00
I had to hop out in front of 180 guys and tell them of my vision.
35
120000
4000
02:04
You can imagine the hailstorm of questions I got.
36
124000
2000
02:06
The opening one was,
37
126000
2000
02:08
"What the fuck do you know about the National Guard?"
38
128000
2000
02:11
I started with the 1607 Massachusetts Bay Colony Pequot Indian Wars.
39
131000
5000
02:16
Gave them about a nine minute response,
40
136000
3000
02:19
and there we went.
41
139000
2000
02:21
So, I'd like to show the clip of the film.
42
141000
3000
02:24
It's our trailer, because I know, obviously you guys are busy,
43
144000
3000
02:27
many of you may not have had a chance to see it.
44
147000
2000
02:29
So, I want to show the trailer,
45
149000
2000
02:31
and then I'm going to take apart one scene in detail.
46
151000
3000
02:34
If we could roll?
47
154000
2000
02:43
(Video) Stephen Pink: This is Sergeant Stephen Pink.
48
163000
1000
02:44
Michael Moriarty: Specialist Michael Moriarty.
49
164000
2000
02:46
Zack Bazzi: Do I really want to go? Probably not.
50
166000
2000
02:50
Soldier: We're not supposed to talk to the media.
51
170000
2000
02:52
SP: I'm not the media, dammit!
52
172000
1000
02:56
MM: The day is here. Life will change.
53
176000
2000
02:58
Voice: The real deal, man! Narrator: You ready?
54
178000
2000
03:00
Soldier: Bring it on! Narrator: You ready? Voice 2: Iraq, here we come!
55
180000
4000
03:06
ZB: Every soldier eventually wants to go in combat.
56
186000
2000
03:08
It's natural instinct.
57
188000
1000
03:09
SP: If you let fear get to you,
58
189000
2000
03:11
then you're not going to be doing your job.
59
191000
2000
03:13
MM: Every single time you go out there, there's attacks.
60
193000
2000
03:15
It's unbelievable.
61
195000
2000
03:19
ZB: Hey, Nestor, your ass crack is right in my face.
62
199000
3000
03:24
Soldiers: IV! Are we on fire? IV!
63
204000
2000
03:26
Man down! Man down!
64
206000
4000
03:30
MM: Keep going, brother. You wanna play?
65
210000
1000
03:33
Michael Moriarty's Wife: It's really hard for him to not have his dad.
66
213000
2000
03:36
MM: This little kid is in the middle of a war zone.
67
216000
3000
03:42
Stephen Pink's Girlfriend: In the beginning, he's like, "Write something dirty!"
68
222000
3000
03:46
George W. Bush: The world's newest democracy.
69
226000
2000
03:52
MM: They're shooting at me.
70
232000
2000
03:54
SP: You don't put 150,000 troops in there,
71
234000
2000
03:56
and say we're there to create democracy.
72
236000
2000
03:58
Soldier: We've got a drive through window at Burger King now.
73
238000
2000
04:00
SP: We're here to create money.
74
240000
2000
04:02
MM: I support George Bush. We're not there for the oil.
75
242000
2000
04:05
Jon Baril: The worst thing in my life.
76
245000
2000
04:07
SP: Baril, don't look at it, bud.
77
247000
2000
04:09
Michael Moriarty's Wife: He's not the same person anymore.
78
249000
2000
04:11
MM: I will not go back.
79
251000
2000
04:16
Kevin Shangraw: The Iraqi people are who we are there to help --
80
256000
2000
04:18
and we just killed one.
81
258000
1000
04:19
Soldiers: Sergeant Smith is down! Sergeant Smith is down?
82
259000
3000
04:22
There they are! Right there! Fire, fire!
83
262000
3000
04:32
JB: It'll be a better country in 20 years, 'cause we were there.
84
272000
4000
04:36
I hope.
85
276000
1000
04:48
(Applause) Deborah Scranton: Thank you.
86
288000
1000
04:49
One of the things I'd like to talk to you about
87
289000
3000
04:52
is having a conversation about something that is difficult to talk about.
88
292000
4000
04:56
And I'd like to relate an experience I had here at TED.
89
296000
3000
04:59
I don't know how many of you might imagine it,
90
299000
3000
05:02
but there's actually a TEDster who recently got back from Iraq.
91
302000
5000
05:07
Paul? Come on, stand up.
92
307000
2000
05:09
This is Paul Anthony.
93
309000
2000
05:11
He served -- (Applause) -- with the Marines,
94
311000
5000
05:16
and I want to tell you a little, brief story.
95
316000
4000
05:20
We were one of the lucky ones
96
320000
2000
05:22
to get in the class with the Sony cameras and the Vista software.
97
322000
4000
05:26
Right? And we started talking.
98
326000
1000
05:27
People will see my tag, and they'll see "The War Tapes,"
99
327000
2000
05:29
and then we'll start talking about war.
100
329000
2000
05:31
We got in a conversation with some other people in the class,
101
331000
4000
05:35
and it went on and on.
102
335000
2000
05:37
I mean, we were there for an hour, talking.
103
337000
2000
05:39
And it really highlighted something that I would like to ask
104
339000
2000
05:41
you guys to think about and hopefully to help with,
105
341000
4000
05:45
which is, I think a lot of us are very afraid to have conversations about war,
106
345000
3000
05:48
and about politics.
107
348000
1000
05:49
And really -- because maybe we're going to disagree.
108
349000
2000
05:51
Maybe it's going to get uncomfortable.
109
351000
2000
05:53
How do we open it up to really be able to have a conversation?
110
353000
4000
05:57
And you know, Paul was talking,
111
357000
5000
06:02
and he then turned to Constance and said,
112
362000
3000
06:05
"You know, I wouldn't have this conversation if she weren't here,
113
365000
3000
06:08
because I know she has my back."
114
368000
2000
06:10
And I want to say, I was nervous.
115
370000
2000
06:12
Because I'm used to doing Q&As.
116
372000
2000
06:14
I really related to what James was saying yesterday,
117
374000
1000
06:15
because I'm behind the camera.
118
375000
2000
06:17
You know, I can answer questions about my movie,
119
377000
2000
06:19
but for me to come up and talk for 18 minutes is a really long time.
120
379000
2000
06:21
So, I wanted to say, Paul, I'm happy you're here,
121
381000
3000
06:24
because I know you have my back.
122
384000
2000
06:27
This film was not about the Internet,
123
387000
2000
06:29
but it could not have been made without it.
124
389000
3000
06:32
The guys' tapes on average took two weeks to get from Iraq to me.
125
392000
3000
06:35
In the meantime, the soldiers -- we would email and IM.
126
395000
4000
06:39
I didn't save all of them,
127
399000
4000
06:43
because I didn't realize at the beginning
128
403000
2000
06:45
that it would be something that I would want to keep track of.
129
405000
3000
06:48
But there were 3,211 emails and IMs and text messages
130
408000
5000
06:53
that I was able to save.
131
413000
2000
06:55
The reason I quantify that is because we really embarked on this as a mutual journey
132
415000
7000
07:02
to really get inside of it.
133
422000
2000
07:04
So I wanted to show you a clip,
134
424000
2000
07:06
and then I was going tell you a little bit of how it got put together.
135
426000
3000
07:09
If we could roll the clip.
136
429000
1000
07:11
(Video) SP: Today is sport. [Unclear] Radio: [Unclear] Christian soldiers.
137
431000
3000
07:14
SP: We like to give these insurgents a fair chance.
138
434000
4000
07:18
So, what we do, we ride with the windows down.
139
438000
3000
07:21
Because, you know, we obviously have the advantage. I'm just kidding.
140
441000
6000
07:27
We don't fucking ride with the goddam windows down.
141
447000
2000
07:30
It's not true. Very unsafe.
142
450000
5000
07:36
Whoa.
143
456000
1000
07:37
Soldier: Right there.
144
457000
1000
07:39
SP: All right, let's get over to that site.
145
459000
3000
07:43
Be advised, we're leaving Taji right now.
146
463000
3000
07:46
We believe that the blast was right outside the gate of Taji,
147
466000
4000
07:50
we're heading to that location now.
148
470000
2000
07:54
Soldier: That's a fucking car bomb!
149
474000
2000
07:56
Soldier: Motherfuckers!
150
476000
1000
07:57
Soldiers: Get your vest on!
151
477000
2000
07:59
Hey, get over the fucking -- yeah, yeah.
152
479000
2000
08:01
Any one-four elements get to the gate!
153
481000
2000
08:03
SP: Sheriff one-six, or any one-four elements,
154
483000
3000
08:06
we need you at the gate of Taji right now, over.
155
486000
3000
08:09
Soldier: I'll walk you through it.
156
489000
2000
08:11
(Voices)
157
491000
6000
08:17
SP: Stay low. Head over to the right.
158
497000
3000
08:20
Get your bag, get your bag!
159
500000
3000
08:24
(Screams)
160
504000
5000
08:29
SP: It was mass casualties.
161
509000
2000
08:31
Probably 20 dead, at least 20 or 30 wounded Iraqis.
162
511000
4000
08:42
SP: It just looked like, you know,
163
522000
2000
08:44
someone had thrown a quarter through a guy,
164
524000
2000
08:46
and it was just like -- there was no blood coming from the shrapnel wounds.
165
526000
3000
08:49
Everything was cauterized,
166
529000
2000
08:51
and it was just like there was a void going through the body.
167
531000
4000
08:55
This is the scene north.
168
535000
3000
08:59
They just removed a burnt body, or half a body from here.
169
539000
4000
09:03
I don't think there was anything left from his abdominal down.
170
543000
4000
09:10
This is blood.
171
550000
3000
09:13
And you know, you walk,
172
553000
2000
09:15
and you hear the pieces of skin.
173
555000
5000
09:20
And that's it, that's all that's left.
174
560000
3000
09:23
I remember giving three IVs, bandaging several wounded.
175
563000
3000
09:26
Soldiers sitting in the corner of a sandbag wall, shaking and screaming.
176
566000
5000
09:31
Medics who were terrified and couldn't perform.
177
571000
3000
09:35
I later heard that Iraqi casualties were not to be treated in Taji.
178
575000
6000
09:41
They can work on the post for pennies, but can't die there.
179
581000
3000
09:44
They've got to die outside.
180
584000
3000
09:49
If one of those incompetent medical officers told me to stop treatment,
181
589000
4000
09:53
I would've slit his throat right there.
182
593000
3000
10:06
21:00 hours, and it's just our squad
183
606000
2000
10:08
going through today's events in our heads,
184
608000
3000
10:11
whether we want to or not.
185
611000
3000
10:14
News Anchor: More violence in Iraq.
186
614000
2000
10:16
Twin suicide car bombings killed eight Iraqis and wounded dozens more
187
616000
4000
10:20
near a coalition base north of Baghdad.
188
620000
2000
10:22
SP: We made the news.
189
622000
1000
10:23
I feel exploited and proud at the same time.
190
623000
2000
10:25
I've lost all faith in the media --
191
625000
2000
10:27
a hapless joke I would much rather laugh at than become a part of.
192
627000
5000
10:32
I should really thank God for saving my lucky ass.
193
632000
3000
10:35
I'll do that, then I'm gonna jerk off.
194
635000
2000
10:37
Because these pages smell like Linds,
195
637000
2000
10:39
and there won't be any time for jerking off tomorrow.
196
639000
3000
10:42
Another mission at 06:00.
197
642000
2000
10:48
DS: Now -- (Applause) -- thanks.
198
648000
4000
10:52
When I said earlier, to try and tell a story from the inside out, versus the outside in --
199
652000
5000
10:57
part of what Chris said so eloquently in his introduction -- is this melding.
200
657000
5000
11:02
It's a new way of trying to make a documentary.
201
662000
3000
11:05
When I met the guys, and 10 of them agreed to take cameras --
202
665000
4000
11:09
in total, 21 ended up filming.
203
669000
2000
11:11
Five soldiers filmed the entire time.
204
671000
2000
11:13
There are three featured in the film.
205
673000
2000
11:15
The way I learned about Taji was Steve Pink sent me an email,
206
675000
4000
11:19
and in it, attached a photo of that burned body out at the car.
207
679000
3000
11:22
And the tone from the email was,
208
682000
2000
11:24
you know, it had been a very bad day, obviously.
209
684000
3000
11:27
And I saw in my IM window that Mike Moriarty was at the base.
210
687000
4000
11:31
So, I pinged Mike and I said,
211
691000
2000
11:33
"Mike, can you please go get that interview with Pink?"
212
693000
3000
11:36
Because the thing that very often is missing is,
213
696000
2000
11:38
in the military what they call "hot wash."
214
698000
2000
11:40
It's that immediate interview after something immediately happens, you know.
215
700000
3000
11:43
And if you let time go by,
216
703000
2000
11:45
it kind of softens and smooths the edges.
217
705000
2000
11:47
And for me, I really wanted that.
218
707000
3000
11:50
So, in order to get the intimacy,
219
710000
2000
11:52
to share that experience with you, the guys --
220
712000
3000
11:55
the two most popular mounts --
221
715000
2000
11:57
there was a camera on the turret, the gun turret,
222
717000
2000
11:59
and then on the dashboard of the Humvee.
223
719000
2000
12:01
Most of the Humvees, we ended up mounting two cameras in them.
224
721000
5000
12:06
So you get to experience that in real time, right?
225
726000
4000
12:10
The interview that you see is the one that Mike went and did
226
730000
4000
12:14
within 24 hours of that episode happening.
227
734000
3000
12:17
Steve Pink reading his journal
228
737000
2000
12:19
happened five months after he came home.
229
739000
2000
12:21
I knew about that journal, but it was very, very private.
230
741000
2000
12:23
And you know, you earn someone's trust,
231
743000
3000
12:26
especially in doc filmmaking, through your relationship.
232
746000
3000
12:29
So, it wasn't until five months after he was home
233
749000
3000
12:32
that he would read that journal.
234
752000
2000
12:34
Now, the news footage I put in there to try to show --
235
754000
4000
12:38
you know, I think mainstream media tries to do the best they can
236
758000
4000
12:42
in the format that they have.
237
762000
2000
12:44
But the thing that I know you all have heard a lot of times,
238
764000
2000
12:46
American soldiers saying,
239
766000
2000
12:48
"Why don't they talk about the good stuff that we do?"
240
768000
2000
12:50
OK, this is a perfect example.
241
770000
3000
12:53
Pink's squad and another squad spent their entire day outside the wire.
242
773000
4000
12:57
They didn't have to go outside the wire.
243
777000
2000
12:59
There were not Americans hurt out there.
244
779000
2000
13:01
They spent their entire day outside the wire trying to save Iraqi lives --
245
781000
5000
13:06
the Iraqis who work on the post.
246
786000
2000
13:08
So, when you may hear soldiers complaining,
247
788000
3000
13:11
that's what they're talking about, you know?
248
791000
2000
13:13
And I think it's such an amazing gift that they would share this
249
793000
4000
13:17
as a way of bridging.
250
797000
2000
13:19
And when I talk about that polarity I get at so many different Q&As,
251
799000
5000
13:24
and people are really opinionated.
252
804000
2000
13:26
But it seems like people don't want to hear so much,
253
806000
2000
13:28
or listen, or try to have an exchange.
254
808000
2000
13:30
And I'm as fiery as the next person, but I really think --
255
810000
3000
13:33
you know, different speakers have talked about their concern for the world,
256
813000
5000
13:38
and my concern is that we have to have these conversations.
257
818000
3000
13:41
And we have to be able to go into scary places where we may, you know,
258
821000
4000
13:45
we think we know.
259
825000
2000
13:47
But we just have to leave that little bit of openness, to know.
260
827000
4000
13:51
There's such a disconnect.
261
831000
2000
13:53
And for me, it's trying to bridge that disconnect.
262
833000
5000
13:58
I'll share one story.
263
838000
2000
14:00
I get -- I'm often asked, you know, for me,
264
840000
2000
14:02
what have been some of the special moments from having worked on this film.
265
842000
4000
14:06
And at screenings, inevitably --
266
846000
2000
14:08
you know, as I'm sure all of you obviously do speaking stuff --
267
848000
4000
14:12
usually you have people who hang around and want to ask you more questions.
268
852000
4000
14:16
And usually, the first questions are,
269
856000
2000
14:18
"Oh, what kind of cameras did you use?"
270
858000
2000
14:20
Or you know, these things.
271
860000
1000
14:21
But there's always a few guys, almost always, who are the last ones.
272
861000
5000
14:26
And I've learned over time that those are always the soldiers.
273
866000
4000
14:30
And they wait until pretty much everybody's gone.
274
870000
4000
14:34
And for me, one of the most profound stories someone shared with me,
275
874000
9000
14:43
that then became my story, was --
276
883000
2000
14:45
for those of you who haven't seen the film, and it's not a spoiler --
277
885000
5000
14:50
it's very common there are a lot of civilian accidents,
278
890000
2000
14:52
where people get in front of Humvees and they get killed.
279
892000
3000
14:55
In this film, there is a scene where an Iraqi woman is killed.
280
895000
5000
15:00
A soldier came up to me and stood, you know really, pretty close,
281
900000
7000
15:07
a foot away from me.
282
907000
2000
15:09
He's a big guy.
283
909000
2000
15:11
And he looked at me, and I smiled,
284
911000
2000
15:13
and then I saw the tears start welling up in his eyes.
285
913000
5000
15:18
And he wasn't going to blink.
286
918000
3000
15:21
And he said, "My gunner was throwing candy."
287
921000
3000
15:24
And I knew what he was going to say.
288
924000
3000
15:27
The gunner was throwing candy.
289
927000
3000
15:30
They used to throw candy to the kids.
290
930000
3000
15:33
Kids got too close, very often.
291
933000
3000
15:36
And he said, "I killed a child.
292
936000
3000
15:39
And I'm a father. I have children.
293
939000
4000
15:43
I haven't been able to tell my wife.
294
943000
2000
15:45
I'm afraid she's going to think I'm a monster."
295
945000
2000
15:52
I hugged him, of course,
296
952000
2000
15:54
and I said, you know, "It's going to be OK."
297
954000
2000
15:56
And he said, "I'm going to bring her to see your film.
298
956000
3000
15:59
And then I'm going to tell her."
299
959000
3000
16:05
So when I talk about a disconnect,
300
965000
7000
16:12
it's not only for maybe those people who don't know a soldier,
301
972000
3000
16:15
which there obviously are. You know, these days,
302
975000
2000
16:17
it's not like World War II, where there was a war front and a home front,
303
977000
3000
16:20
and everybody seemed involved.
304
980000
2000
16:22
You can go for days here and not feel like there's a war going on.
305
982000
3000
16:25
And often, I'll hear people say,
306
985000
2000
16:27
who maybe know that I did this film,
307
987000
2000
16:29
and they say, "Oh, you know, I'm against the war, but I support the soldiers."
308
989000
6000
16:36
And I've started to ask them,
309
996000
3000
16:39
"Well, that's nice. What are you doing?
310
999000
3000
16:42
Are you volunteering at a VA?
311
1002000
3000
16:45
You go and see anybody?
312
1005000
2000
16:47
Do you, if you find out your neighbor's been, do you spend some time?
313
1007000
7000
16:54
Not necessarily ask questions, but see if they want to talk?
314
1014000
4000
16:58
Do you give money to any of the charities?"
315
1018000
2000
17:00
You know, obviously, like Dean Kamen's working on that amazing thing,
316
1020000
3000
17:03
but there's charities where you can sponsor computers for wounded soldiers.
317
1023000
5000
17:08
I think, I challenge us to say --
318
1028000
5000
17:13
to operationalize those terms, when we say we support someone, you know?
319
1033000
3000
17:16
Are you a friend to them?
320
1036000
2000
17:18
Do you really care?
321
1038000
2000
17:20
And I would just say it's my hope, and I would ask you guys
322
1040000
4000
17:24
to please, you know, reach out a hand.
323
1044000
6000
17:30
And really do give them a hug.
324
1050000
4000
17:34
Thank you.
325
1054000
2000
About this website

This site will introduce you to YouTube videos that are useful for learning English. You will see English lessons taught by top-notch teachers from around the world. Double-click on the English subtitles displayed on each video page to play the video from there. The subtitles scroll in sync with the video playback. If you have any comments or requests, please contact us using this contact form.

https://forms.gle/WvT1wiN1qDtmnspy7