Is the US Headed Towards Another Civil War? | Barbara F. Walter | TED

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I'm going to talk about a threat
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that most people don't want to think about.
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It's too frightening and it doesn't seem real.
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That threat is civil war.
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Since 1946,
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over 250 civil wars have broken out
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and that number continues to increase.
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There are now almost 50 percent more civil wars than there were in 2001.
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I've been studying civil wars for over 30 years.
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I've interviewed members of Hamas in the West Bank,
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ex-Sinn Féin members in Northern Ireland,
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former members of the FARC in Colombia.
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I've stood on top of the Golan Heights and stared into Syria
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at the top of the Syrian civil war.
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I've driven across Zimbabwe
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as the military was planning its coup against Robert Mugabe.
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I've been followed and interrogated by members of Myanmar's junta.
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In 2017, I was asked to serve on a task force run by the CIA
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called the Political Instability Task Force.
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One of the goals of that task force was to come up with a model
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to help the US government predict
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what countries around the world
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were likely to experience ethnic conflict and civil war.
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It turns out that predicting civil war is possible.
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Solid data exists on where and when these conflicts are likely to break out.
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It's just that most people don't know that.
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The task force was comprised of two types of people,
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experts on civil war like myself and data analysts.
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The experts came up with 38 different factors
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that they thought could potentially lead a country towards civil war.
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And some of those factors seemed obvious, like whether a country was poor,
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had lots of income inequality
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or had a government that heavily discriminated
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against one particular group.
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It turns out that only two factors were highly predictive
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and they weren't the ones the experts expected.
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The first was whether a country was an anocracy.
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Anocracy is just a fancy term for partial democracy.
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It's a government that's neither fully democratic nor fully autocratic.
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It's something in between.
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So think about Hungary today.
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Hungary holds elections.
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Hungarians eagerly go out and vote.
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It's just that whoever wins those elections
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can basically do whatever they want.
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The second factor
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was whether citizens in these anocracies had formed political parties
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around identity rather than ideology.
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So rather than joining a party because you were liberal or conservative,
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capitalist or communist,
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you joined a party because you were Black or white,
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Christian or Muslim,
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Serb or Croat.
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If a country had these two features,
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the task force considered it at high risk of political violence
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and put it on a watchlist.
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It was actually called The Watchlist
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and it was sent to the White House.
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So here I was,
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sitting in a hotel conference room in suburban Virginia four times a year
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with a room full of really smart people.
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And we talked about countries in Africa, the Middle East, Central Asia,
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but we never, ever talked about the United States.
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That's because the CIA is legally not allowed
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to monitor the United States or its citizens.
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And that's exactly the way it should be.
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But I was a private citizen and I had this information
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and I could see that both of these factors were emerging in my own country
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and they were emerging at a surprisingly fast rate.
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The US's democracy has been downgraded three times since 2016.
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2016, it was downgraded because international election monitors
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had considered the 2016 election free, but not entirely fair.
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America's own intelligence agencies had found
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that the Russians had, in fact, meddled in that election.
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It was downgraded again in 2019
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when the White House refused to comply with requests by Congress for information.
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And it was downgraded a final time
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at the end of 2020
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when President Trump refused to accept his loss in the 2020 election,
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and actively attempted to overturn the results.
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Between December of 2020 and early 2021,
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the United States was officially classified as an anocracy.
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If the task force had been allowed to monitor and study the United States,
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it likely would have considered it at high risk of political instability
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and political violence in December of 2020,
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just a few weeks before the January 6 insurrection.
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And it likely would have put the United States on the watchlist.
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We also know who tends to start civil wars.
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And again, it's not the people most of us think.
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It is not the poorest people in society.
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It is not the people who are most oppressed by their government.
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The people who tend to start civil wars, especially ethnically-based civil wars,
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are the groups that had once been politically dominant but are in decline.
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If you think back to the former Yugoslavia.
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Serbs had enjoyed most of the positions in government and the military
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throughout the Cold War for decades, for decades.
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But they were the ones who stood to lose the most
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as Yugoslavia democratized.
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The Serbs started that war.
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Iraq's Sunnis similarly enjoyed most of the key positions
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in the military and in government under Saddam Hussein.
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But when the United States toppled Saddam Hussein,
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they also threw the Sunnis out of their positions.
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It was the Sunnis who started that war.
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In the United States, the rise of militias
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has been driven primarily by white men
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who see America's identity changing in ways
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that directly threatens their status.
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They were the ones who marched on the capital on January 6.
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So why is this happening now?
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It's happening now because of demographic change.
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The United States is in the midst of a major transition
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from a country whose population is majority white
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to a country whose population will be majority non-white.
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The United States will be the first country to go through this,
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but others are going to follow.
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Canada is likely to be next,
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followed by New Zealand and then the UK,
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and eventually all the English-speaking countries of the world.
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This is likely to be especially true
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if climate change causes citizens from the global South
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to increasingly move north.
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These countries are going to be looking to the United States
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to see how we manage this demographic shift.
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Americans can allow this transition to tear us apart.
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Or we could use it to come together
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to show the world how to manage this change
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and in the process create a truly multiethnic, multi-religious democracy.
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So how do you do this?
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The first thing we have to do
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is address the two big risk factors of civil war.
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Anocracy and identity politics.
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To address anocracy, we have to improve the rule of law.
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We have to ensure equal access to every citizen to the vote.
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We have to reduce corruption
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and we have to improve the quality of government services.
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But reforming a government takes time.
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Those are not easy things to do and it often seems impossible.
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That's exactly where the United States is today,
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almost paralyzed.
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This is where business can come in.
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Thirty years ago,
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most of us thought that South Africa was barreling towards civil war.
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Black South Africans were increasingly protesting
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the brutality of the white apartheid regime,
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and the government responded with more brutality.
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But then something happened.
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The business community stepped in and demanded real democracy.
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They did this because they had been suffering
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under years of crushing economic sanctions
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and eventually they had to choose between apartheid and profits,
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and they chose profits.
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And when they went to the government and said, "We will no longer support you,"
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the apartheid regime knew it could not survive
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and reform happened quickly.
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The business community can also help address identity politics
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by investing in those communities that have been left behind
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by globalization and by free-trade agreements like NAFTA.
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In the United States,
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it was the working class that disproportionately suffered.
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Those are the communities that are the most angry
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and the most resentful today.
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Businesses can invest in better health care,
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better education and a higher minimum wage
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so that they create a group of people
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who are hopeful about the future
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and less vulnerable to the calls by extremists to burn the system down.
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But there's perhaps an easier solution, at least in the short term.
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At least in the short term.
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And that is to regulate social media,
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especially the algorithms that push out the most incendiary and divisive material.
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I'm not saying that we should censor free speech.
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Let people put whatever they want on social media,
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but do not allow the algorithms
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to amplify the messages by bullies and hatemongers
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and conspiracy theorists and enemies of democracy.
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If we take away their bullhorn, their influence will decline.
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I've interviewed a lot of people who have lived through a civil war
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and they all say the same thing.
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"I didn't see it coming."
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"I didn't see it coming."
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Berina Kovac was a young mother
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living in Sarajevo at the beginning of the Bosnian civil war.
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She told me that in the months and weeks leading up to that war,
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life seemed normal.
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She went to work.
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She took weekend holidays with her husband.
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They went to the weddings of their friends.
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But then one night in March of 1992,
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when she was at home with her newborn son,
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the lights suddenly went out.
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And then she said,
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you started to hear machine guns.
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It doesn't have to be this way.
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We know an enormous amount about why these terrible wars start.
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We know that the people intent on violence have a playbook.
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We know what that playbook is.
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But there's no reason why we,
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the democracy-loving people of this world,
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can't create our own playbook to prevent civil war.
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But to do that,
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we have to be brave enough to fight for real democracy,
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strong democracy,
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because only by fighting for democracy
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can we ensure that we will truly get peace.
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Thank you.
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(Applause)
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