Why Most People Don't Have SUCCESS โ€” Podcast for English Learners

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋œ ์ž๋ง‰์€ ๊ธฐ๊ณ„ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

00:00
So I was born in Sรฃo Pauloย  Capital and I grew up there.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์ˆ˜๋„ ์ƒํŒŒ์šธ๋ฃจ์—์„œ ํƒœ์–ด๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ์ž๋ž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:03
I thought you were going forย  that, um, Fresh Prince line,ย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋„ค๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ์ค„ ์•Œ์•˜๋Š”๋ฐ , ์Œ, Fresh Prince ๋ผ์ธ์€,
00:08
like in West Philadelphia, born and raisedย  on the playground is where I spent, anyway...
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์›จ์ŠคํŠธ ํ•„๋ผ๋ธํ”ผ์•„์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ, ๋†€์ดํ„ฐ์—์„œ ํƒœ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์ž๋ž€ ๊ณณ์ด ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ณด๋‚ธ ๊ณณ์ด์•ผ, ์–ด์จŒ๋“ ...
00:14
What does your English learning andย  Leonardo DiCaprio have in common? Well,ย ย 
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๋„ˆ์˜ ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต๊ณผ ๋ ˆ์˜ค๋‚˜๋ฅด๋„ ๋””์นดํ”„๋ฆฌ์˜ค์˜ ๊ณตํ†ต์ ์ด ๋ญ์•ผ? ์Œ,
00:23
more than you might think. In this episode, weย  talk about achievements and why just focusing onย ย 
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์ƒ๊ฐ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋งŽ์ด์š”. ์ด ์—ํ”ผ์†Œ๋“œ์—์„œ๋Š” ์„ฑ์ทจ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ 
00:29
your goals is a bad strategy when it comes to yourย  English learning. I'm joined in the global studioย ย 
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๋ชฉํ‘œ์—๋งŒ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จํ•˜์—ฌ ๋‚˜์œ ์ „๋žต์ธ ์ด์œ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ €๋Š” ์˜ค๋Š˜ ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ ์ŠคํŠœ๋””์˜ค์—
00:34
today by the most lekker teacher in all Southย  Africa, the one, the only Casse! Hey, Casse.ย 
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๋‚จ์•„ํ”„๋ฆฌ์นด ์ „์—ญ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋งŽ์€ ๋ ˆ์ปค ๊ต์‚ฌ์ธ ์œ ์ผํ•œ Casse์™€ ํ•ฉ๋ฅ˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค! ์ด๋ด, ์นด์„ธ.
00:40
Hey, Thiago. How's it going? I'm doing well. How are you?ย 
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์ด๋ด, ํ‹ฐ์•„๊ณ . ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ž˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ง€๋‚ด์„ธ์š”?
00:44
I'm good. I'm, I'm really goodย  today. Thank you for asking.ย 
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๋‚œ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„. ๋‚˜, ์˜ค๋Š˜์€ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹๋‹ค. ์งˆ๋ฌธํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:47
Awesome. So, Casse, today we are talkingย  all about achievements, right? But whatย ย 
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์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ. ์ž, Casse, ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์„ฑ์ทจ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ , ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ? ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ฌด์Šจ
00:54
does it mean? Could you define to our viewersย  and listeners here what an achievement is?ย 
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๋œป์ธ๊ฐ€์š”? ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ์‹œ์ฒญ์ž์™€ ์ฒญ์ทจ์ž์—๊ฒŒ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ์ •์˜ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
00:59
Uh, yeah, so an achievement is somethingย  that you succeed at. Something that you, you,ย ย 
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์–ด, ์˜ˆ, ์„ฑ์ทจ๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์„ฑ๊ณตํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ , ๋‹น์‹ ,
01:07
a goal that you are successful at or somethingย  that you manage to be really good at in life.ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์„ฑ๊ณตํ•œ ๋ชฉํ‘œ ๋˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ธ์ƒ์—์„œ ์ •๋ง ์ž˜ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ.
01:13
Yeah. Yeah. And I think achievementsย  are so important in our lives,ย ย 
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์‘. ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์„ฑ์ทจ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์‚ถ์—์„œ ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:17
right? Because if you don't have achievements,ย  what's the purpose of living? Right? I mean,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ? ์„ฑ์ทจ๊ฐ€ ์—†๋‹ค๋ฉด ์‚ฌ๋Š” ๋ชฉ์ ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ?
01:22
it, it gives us meaning. You work hard forย  something, for a goal, and then you achieve it,ย ย 
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์ฆ‰, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์˜๋ฏธ๋ฅผ ๋ถ€์—ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด, ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ์—ด์‹ฌํžˆ ์ผํ•œ ๋‹ค์Œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•˜๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋ฉด
01:26
and then you go like, yes. Awesome. What's theย  next challenge? Yeah. So today we're gonna beย ย 
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์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ. ๋‹ค์Œ ์ฑŒ๋ฆฐ์ง€๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ๊ฐ€์š”? ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
01:31
talking all about that and, we're gonna be sharingย  with you guys today, um, some achievements thatย ย 
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๊ทธ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ , ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๊ณผ ์Œ,
01:37
we have experienced in our personal lives, youย  know, I hope that you enjoy it. And also we'reย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ์‚ถ์—์„œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ•œ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๊ณต์œ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์ฆ๊ธฐ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ํ•œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
01:42
gonna explain exactly what Leonardo DiCaprioย  have to do with all of that. Okay? So Casse,ย ย 
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๋ ˆ์˜ค๋‚˜๋ฅด๋„ ๋””์นดํ”„๋ฆฌ์˜ค๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ์–ด๋–ค ๊ด€๋ จ์ด ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ข‹์•„์š”? ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ Casse,
02:06
um, I would like to ask you first, what isย  one achievement you're proud of in your life?ย 
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์Œ, ๋จผ์ € ๋ฌป๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ธ์ƒ์—์„œ ์ž๋ž‘์Šค๋Ÿฌ์›Œํ•˜๋Š” ์„ฑ์ทจ ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
02:12
So, one thing that I'm really proud of is that,ย  like, near the end of my high school career,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง ์ž๋ž‘์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋Š” ๊ณ ๋“ฑํ•™๊ต ์ƒํ™œ์ด ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋๋‚  ๋ฌด๋ ต์— ๊ฐ€์กฑ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์ด
02:17
like I was going through some really difficultย  times, like in my family, and I'll spare you guys,ย ย 
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์ •๋ง ํž˜๋“  ์‹œ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ฒช์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:23
like, the details, it's not a sad podcastย  episode. I'll save it for next time. Um,ย ย 
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์ž์„ธํ•œ ๋‚ด์šฉ์€ ์Šฌํ”ˆ ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ ์—ํ”ผ์†Œ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค์Œ์— ์ €์žฅํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ,
02:29
but yeah. Anyway, so I went through some reallyย  difficult times in my family and I was reallyย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋ž˜. ์–ด์จŒ๋“ , ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ฐ€์กฑ์—๊ฒŒ ์ •๋ง ํž˜๋“  ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋ƒˆ๊ณ 
02:35
struggling to stay, um, inspired or stay motivatedย  or to see, you know, in terms of my self-esteem,ย ย 
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๋‚จ์•„ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด, ์Œ, ์˜๊ฐ์„ ๋ฐ›๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์˜์š•์„ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋˜๋Š” ์ œ ์ž์กด๊ฐ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ
02:45
and, you know, like young kids always think like,ย  oh, what am I gonna become when I'm older? Like,ย ย 
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์–ด๋ฆฐ ์•„์ด๋“ค์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ณด๋ ค๊ณ  ์ •๋ง ๊ณ ๊ตฐ๋ถ„ํˆฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜์ด๊ฐ€ ๋“ค๋ฉด ๋ญ๊ฐ€ ๋ ๊นŒ? ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด,
02:49
am I doomed? Am I destined to just like fail?ย  Or, you know, is my life gonna be mediocre orย ย 
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์šด๋ช…์ธ๊ฐ€์š”? ๋‚˜๋Š” ์‹คํŒจํ•  ์šด๋ช…์ธ๊ฐ€? ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด, ๋‚ด ์ธ์ƒ์ด ํ‰๋ฒ”ํ•ด์งˆ๊นŒ์š”, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด
02:56
am I ever gonna know what I wanted to do the restย  of my life? And I struggled with that too. But,ย ย 
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๋‚จ์€ ์ธ์ƒ ๋™์•ˆ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ๋˜ ์ผ์„ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š” ? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋„ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๊ณ ์ƒํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
03:02
um, I kept working hard. I kept studying hard,ย  and I was able to successfully, um, be acceptedย ย 
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์Œ, ๊ณ„์† ์—ด์‹ฌํžˆ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ๋‚˜๋Š” ์—ด์‹ฌํžˆ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ–ˆ๊ณ , ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ๋Œ€ํ•™์— ์„ฑ๊ณต์ ์œผ๋กœ, ์Œ, ํ•ฉ๊ฒฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
03:11
at the top university in the country. And actuallyย  it's the top university on the continent - I foundย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ด ๋Œ€ํ•™์€ ๋Œ€๋ฅ™ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ๋Œ€ํ•™์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:18
that out recently - so I was really, it made meย  feel, it filled me with like this huge amount ofย ย 
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์ตœ๊ทผ์— ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋œ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์ •๋ง, ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ ์–‘์˜ ์ž์•„๋กœ ์ฑ„์›Œ์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
03:28
self, not confidence, wouldn't sayย  self-confidence, but it gave me that boost,ย ย 
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. ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ๋Š” ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์ง€๋งŒ
03:33
you know, in terms of my self-esteem and, andย  just, it was like getting that confirmationย ย 
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์ œ ์ž์กด๊ฐ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ํž˜์„ ์ฃผ์—ˆ๊ณ , ๋งˆ์Œ๋งŒ ๋จน์œผ๋ฉด ์œ„๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ผ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ํ™•์ธ์„ ๋ฐ›๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
03:38
or affirmation that I am able to do greatย  things if I set my mind to it. And, you know,ย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ,
03:47
once I had achieved that, once I was able to, youย  know, register and, and attend this university,ย ย 
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์ผ๋‹จ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•˜๊ณ , ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์•Œ๊ณ , ๋“ฑ๋กํ•˜๊ณ , ์ด ๋Œ€ํ•™์— ๋‹ค๋‹ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์„ ๋•Œ,
03:51
I, I think what also helped me to recognize myย  potential and, and my strengths was that I alsoย ย 
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์ €๋Š” ์ œ ์ž ์žฌ๋ ฅ์„ ์ธ์‹ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
04:00
managed to have really great relationships, orย  that's not a good word, but I had a really great,ย ย 
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์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ๊ด€๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๋งบ๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ, ๋˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ข‹์€ ๋‹จ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ์ด ๋Œ€ํ•™์— ์ •๋ง ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ,
04:08
um, set of teachers and lecturers at thisย  university who, who, um, enforced or reiteratedย ย 
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์Œ, ์ผ๋ จ์˜ ๊ต์‚ฌ์™€ ๊ฐ•์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์Œ,
04:14
that those ideas and those, and affirmed me,ย  you know, in terms of the things that I wantedย ย 
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๊ทธ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด์™€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ์‹œํ–‰ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋ฐ˜๋ณตํ–ˆ๊ณ  ์ €๋ฅผ ํ™•์–ธํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ๋˜ ์ผ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด์„œ
04:19
to do. And, um, I, I know this sounds like I'mย  just, like I was just a kid who was lost andย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ์Œ, ์ด๊ฒŒ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ธธ์„ ์žƒ์€ ์–ด๋ฆฐ์•„์ด์ธ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋“ค๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
04:25
needed a self-esteem boost, but it, it was biggerย  than that because I think it shaped the way thatย ย 
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์ž์กด๊ฐ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋“ค๋ฆฐ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์••๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:30
I think about myself now. And, you know, thatย  might seem like a tiny moment in, in my past,ย ย 
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์ง€๊ธˆ ๋‚˜ ์ž์‹ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์ž‘์€ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ณด์ผ ์ˆ˜
04:36
but I think it paved, it paved the way, um,ย  to the person that I am today. And it really,ย ย 
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์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚ ์˜ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ธธ์„ ๋‹ฆ์•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ •๋ง๋กœ
04:45
it really is something that set theย  foundation of like who I am today andย ย 
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์ •๋ง ์˜ค๋Š˜์˜ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์ธ์ง€, ๋‚˜
04:50
how I see myself and where I see myselfย  going. So that to me was an achievement.ย 
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์ž์‹ ์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์–ด๋””๋กœ ๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜์„ ์„ค์ •ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์„ฑ์ทจ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:56
Yeah, it's a great one. Yeah. So that was whenย  you got into a journalism school, right? (No) No?ย 
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๋„ค, ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘. ๊ทธ๋•Œ๊ฐ€ ์ €๋„๋ฆฌ์ฆ˜ ํ•™๊ต์— ์ž…ํ•™ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ์˜€์ฃ ? (์•„๋‹ˆ ์•„๋‹ˆ?
05:01
Actually, not journalism school. It, Iย  studied film, media and drama. So, (Before?)ย ย 
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์‚ฌ์‹ค, ์ €๋„๋ฆฌ์ฆ˜ ํ•™๊ต๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ์˜ํ™”, ๋ฏธ๋””์–ด, ๋“œ๋ผ๋งˆ๋ฅผ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ (์ „์—?)
05:09
those were... Yes. Oh, I did. I didn't know that. You see.ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€... ๋„ค. ์•„, ๊ทธ๋žฌ์–ด์š”. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ชฐ๋ž๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ฐธ์กฐํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
05:14
It's, it's a back back storyย  to like who Casse is. But yeah,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€, Casse๊ฐ€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ์ง€ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ๋’ท์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋„ค, ์ €๋„๋ฆฌ์ฆ˜์„ ํ•˜๊ธฐ
05:19
I studied that before I, Iย  ended up doing journalism.ย 
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์ „์— ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ–ˆ์–ด์š” .
05:22
That's cool. Yeah. I, I imagine you mustย  have enjoyed that course. I would'veย ย 
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๋ฉ‹์ง€๋„ค์š”. ์‘. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ •์„ ์ฆ๊ฒผ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š”
05:27
enjoyed that course, I think, you know. The person I am today would appreciateย ย 
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๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ •์„ ์ฆ๊ฒผ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ. ์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚ ์˜ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋‹น์‹œ์˜ ๋‚˜
05:34
that course a lot more than the personย  I was back then. I think I was still,ย ย 
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๋ณด๋‹ค ๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ •์„ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์ข‹์•„ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ์•„์ง, ๋Œ€ํ•™์„
05:40
I think I was 17 when I, when I startedย  university. And I think my mind wasn't quiteย ย 
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์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ 17์‚ด์ด์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š” . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๋งˆ์Œ์˜
05:46
ready for it. But I always, there's a quote thatย  I love. I, oh, and I, English, English literatureย ย 
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์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ์ธ์šฉ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜, ์•„, ๋‚˜, ์˜์–ด, ์˜๋ฌธํ•™๋„
05:52
was, was one of my majors as well. That's whyย  I love poetry. I love English so much. But, um,ย ย 
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๋‚ด ์ „๊ณต ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜€์–ด. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์‹œ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ์ด์œ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์Œ,
06:00
there's a quote by George Elliot, that says, ""Itย  is never too late to be what you might have been.ย ย 
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George Elliot์˜ ์ธ์šฉ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ง€๊ธˆ์˜
06:07
It is never too late to be what you mightย  have been."" So I think that, you know,ย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋˜๊ธฐ์— ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋Šฆ์€ ๋•Œ๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
06:15
if I think about like what I, what I, who I wasย  back then and who I am now, I still think the twoย ย 
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06:22
can connect. And somehow that like, media andย  film studies, English literature, it's gonna,ย ย 
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์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ๋“  ๋ฏธ๋””์–ด ๋ฐ ์˜ํ™” ์—ฐ๊ตฌ, ์˜๋ฌธํ•™ ๋“ฑ์ด
06:30
it's gonna play a role. I'm gonna, I'm still gonnaย  do what I was supposed to do when I was there, so.ย 
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์—ญํ• ์„ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚œ, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ณณ์— ์žˆ์—ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ผ์„ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ํ•  ๊ฑฐ์•ผ.
06:37
That's amazing. That actually reminds me of thatย  famous, uh, Steve Jobs commencement speech thatย ย 
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๊ทธ ๋†€๋ผ์šด. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ œ ๊ธฐ์–ต์ด ๋งž๋‹ค๋ฉด 2005๋…„ ์Šคํƒ ํฌ๋“œ์—์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ํ–ˆ๋˜ ์œ ๋ช…ํ•œ, ์–ด, ์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ ์žก์Šค ์กธ์—… ์—ฐ์„ค์„
06:44
he gave, I think at Stanford in 2005, ifย  I remember correctly. And in that speech,ย ย 
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์ƒ๊ฐ๋‚˜๊ฒŒ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์—ฐ์„ค์—์„œ
06:51
he talks about connecting the dots. How sometimesย  you take some courses or you do some things inย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์ ์„ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ธ์ƒ ์—์„œ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๊ณผ์ •์„ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ•ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์–ด๋–ค ์ผ์„ ํ•  ๋•Œ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์ž์ฃผ
06:57
your life, you don't know exactly how you'reย  gonna use that information in the future,ย ย 
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๊ทธ ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์— ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ• ์ง€ ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ์•Œ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
07:02
but you cannot connect the dots looking forward,ย  only looking backwards, right? So maybe in theย ย 
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์•ž์„ ๋‚ด๋‹ค๋ณด๊ณ  ์ ์„ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๊ณ  ๋’ค๋งŒ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ? ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์— ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€
07:08
future you look back and then you go like, oh,ย  yeah, now it makes sense why I studied that,ย ย 
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๋’ค๋ฅผ ๋Œ์•„๋ณธ ๋‹ค์Œ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค, ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ์ด์ œ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์™œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€,
07:12
why I was interested in that, because, youย  know, then I can connect the dots. Uh, oneย ย 
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๊ฐ€์กŒ๋˜ ์ด์œ ๊ฐ€ ์ดํ•ด๊ฐ€ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ์ ๋“ค์„ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์› ๋‹ค๊ณ 
07:17
point that you mentioned that I thought it wasย  interesting was the fact that Casse from todayย ย 
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๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋Š” ์˜ค๋Š˜์˜ Casse๊ฐ€ ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ์˜ Casse๋ณด๋‹ค
07:25
would probably enjoy that course, the media courseย  more than Casse from the past. And I think thereย ย 
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๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ •, ๋ฏธ๋””์–ด ๊ณผ์ •์„ ๋” ์ข‹์•„ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š”
07:31
is some truth to that in all of us, because we areย  so young, yeah, when we have to make a decisionย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘์—๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์–ด๋ ค์„œ
07:37
on what to study, like what course to take atย  college, for example, like 17-18, I think. Um,ย ย 
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๋ฌด์—‡์„ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ• ์ง€, ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด 17-18์„ธ์™€ ๊ฐ™์ด ๋Œ€ํ•™์—์„œ ์–ด๋–ค ๊ณผ์ •์„ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ•ํ• ์ง€ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๋•Œ , ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”. ์Œ,
07:45
yeah. I mean, maybe if you took that course olderย  and more mature, you would enjoy it more. I guessย ย 
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๋„ค. ๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ •์„ ๋” ๋‚˜์ด๊ฐ€ ๋“ค๊ณ  ๋” ์„ฑ์ˆ™ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ•ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋” ์ฆ๊ธธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:51
that's why some countries have the, the gap year.ย  Right? Could you explain to the listeners and theย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ผ๋ถ€ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์— ๊ฐญ์ด์–ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ?
07:58
viewers what a gap year is in that context? Sure. So a gap year is basicallyย ย 
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๊ทธ ๋งฅ๋ฝ์—์„œ ๊ฐญ ์ด์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ์ฒญ์ทจ์ž์™€ ์‹œ์ฒญ์ž์—๊ฒŒ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ํ™•์‹ ํ•˜๋Š”. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ฐญ ์ด์–ด๋Š” ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ
08:05
one year, or sometimes people take gap years. It'sย  just a, a break between studying. So usually afterย ย 
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1๋…„์ด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋•Œ๋•Œ๋กœ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๊ฐญ ์ด์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ณต๋ถ€ ์‚ฌ์ด์˜ ํœด์‹์ผ ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ
08:12
you finish high school, you know, you go straightย  to college. But some people prefer to take someย ย 
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๊ณ ๋“ฑํ•™๊ต๋ฅผ ๋งˆ์นœ ํ›„์—๋Š” ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๋Œ€ํ•™์— ์ง„ํ•™ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€
08:17
time off from studying, do something else, maybeย  go to work, maybe do an internship, or, you know,ย ย 
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๊ณต๋ถ€๋ฅผ ์‰ฌ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ์ผํ•˜๋Ÿฌ ๊ฐ€๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ์ธํ„ด์‹ญ์„ ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜,
08:24
travel abroad or do something that doesn't requireย  them to study. And usually it's a period whereย ย 
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ํ•ด์™ธ ์—ฌํ–‰์„ ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ๊ณต๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์„ ํ˜ธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ
08:30
they find themselves - that's what peopleย  like to say - find out what they want to do,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ž์‹ ์„ ์ฐพ๋Š” ๊ธฐ๊ฐ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž์‹ ์ด ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฐพ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
08:34
or maybe save some money for some people in,ย  you know, it's not a matter of like choice,ย ย 
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์ผ๋ถ€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋ˆ์„ ์ €์ถ•ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์„ ํƒ์˜ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:40
right? So some people need to take some time offย  studying and to go and work to save some money,ย ย 
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๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๊ณต๋ถ€๋ฅผ ์ž ์‹œ ์‰ฌ๊ณ  ๋ˆ์„ ์ ˆ์•ฝํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด,
08:46
or, you know, just to figure out what theyย  want to do for the rest of their lives.ย 
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๋˜๋Š” ๋‚จ์€ ์ƒ์•  ๋™์•ˆ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ์ผ์„ ์ฐพ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ผํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:50
Yeah. I think it's a, it's a good idea, youย  know, uh, to see some of the world first,ย ย 
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์‘. ํ•™๊ต์— ๋‹ค์‹œ ๊ฐ€์„œ ๊ณต๋ถ€๋ฅผ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์— ๋จผ์ € ์„ธ๊ณ„์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์€ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
08:55
you know, before going back to school againย  and start studying again. So, yeah, I mean,ย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๋‚ด ๋ง์€,
08:59
I, I do see the validity in that. We don't haveย  that here in Brazil. Uh, but, um, I think it's a,ย ย 
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๋‚œ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ํƒ€๋‹นํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ณธ๋‹ค. ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด, ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์Œ, ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”,
09:05
it's a good practice, you know, for young people.ย  Uh, before I share with you my achievement, Casse,ย ย 
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์ Š์€์ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ข‹์€ ์Šต๊ด€์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์ œ ์„ฑ์ทจ๋ฅผ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ ์ „์—, Casse,
09:11
I do have some vocabulary questions toย  ask you. So you said the word spare atย ย 
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๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์–ดํœ˜ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ฒ˜์Œ์— ์˜ˆ๋น„๋ผ๋Š” ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์…จ๊ตฐ์š”
09:15
the beginning. Uh, I wanna spare you the detailsย  or spare you that story. What does that mean?ย 
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. ์–ด, ์ž์„ธํ•œ ๋‚ด์šฉ์€ ์ƒ๋žตํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋Š” ์ƒ๋žตํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์Šจ ๋œป์ด์•ผ?
09:20
So if you spare someone from something, it meansย  I'm gonna save you. I'm gonna save you from it.ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๊ตฌํ•ด์ค€๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ๊ตฌํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋œป์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์—์„œ ๊ตฌํ•  ๊ฑฐ ์•ผ.
09:26
In other words, I, I won't bother youย  by telling you the details. Um, I'mย ย 
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์ฆ‰, ์ž์„ธํ•œ ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ์•Œ๋ ค์„œ ๊ท€์ฐฎ๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€
09:32
gonna spare you from it. I won't put youย  through having to listen to the details.ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์„ ๊ตฌํ•ด์ค„๊ฒŒ์š”. ์ž์„ธํ•œ ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ๋“ค์–ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณผ์ •์„ ๊ฑฐ์น˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:37
And you used a very nice word also. Youย  said doomed. Oh, I'm doomed to...Whatย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„์ฃผ ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์šด๋ช…์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค, ๋‚œ ์šด๋ช…์ด์•ผ...
09:43
does that mean to be doomed? Yeah. So if you're doomed to do something,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์šด๋ช…์ด๋ž€ ๋ฌด์Šจ ๋œป์ด์•ผ? ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ํ•  ์šด๋ช…์ด๋ผ๋ฉด,
09:49
um, you know, maybe, you know, ifย  you study something you don't like,ย ย 
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์Œ, ์•„๋งˆ๋„, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
09:54
and now you are doomed to, to followย  that career path means that you haveย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ง€๊ธˆ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ ์ง„๋กœ๋ฅผ ๋”ฐ๋ผ์•ผ ํ•  ์šด๋ช…์— ์ฒ˜ํ•ด์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
10:00
no choice. It's your destiny to doย  it. But in a, it's a more negative,ย ย 
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์„ ํƒ์˜ ์—ฌ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์—†๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์šด๋ช…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ a์—์„œ๋Š”
10:05
in a more negative sense. So like, oh, you'reย  gonna be, you're doomed to do it. You have, you'reย ย 
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๋” ๋ถ€์ •์ ์ธ ์˜๋ฏธ์—์„œ ๋” ๋ถ€์ •์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ์˜ค, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋  ์šด๋ช…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€
10:10
gonna have to suffer through that process. Like you're sentenced, right?ย 
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๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ •์„ ๊ฒช์–ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํ˜•์„ ์„ ๊ณ ๋ฐ›์€ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
10:13
Yes, exactly. So it's a, it's a bad thing,ย ย 
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๋„ค, ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‚˜์œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:18
right? (Yeah) Yeah. Okay. Uh, you, you said theย  word mediocre. Um, so something mediocre meansย ย 
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๋งž์ฃ ? (์˜ˆ) ์˜ˆ. ์ข‹์•„์š”. ์–ด, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ‰๋ฒ”ํ•œ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋งํ–ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ‰๋ฒ”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€
10:27
average, something average, mediocre. But I, Iย  would like to highlight that word because I loveย ย 
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ํ‰๊ท , ํ‰๊ท , ํ‰๋ฒ”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋‹จ์–ด์˜ ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ทธ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ•์กฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
10:33
the sound of that word. The pronunciationย  - mediocre we say. Right? Can you say thatย ย 
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. ๋ฐœ์Œ์€ - ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ํ‰๋ฒ”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ?
10:39
again? Mediocre? (Mediocre) Uh, there you go.ย  You got a little bit -kuh at the end there.ย ย 
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๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ํ‰๋ฒ”ํ•œ? (๋ณดํ†ต) ์–ด, ๋์–ด. ๋์— ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ -kuh๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:44
Yeah? The schwa. Yeah. The schwa, and the, and theย  R is not really pronounced in your case. Right?ย 
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์‘? ์Šˆ์™€. ์‘. ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋Š” schwa, the, R์ด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋ฐœ์Œ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ?
10:53
No, no, no. We don't, we don'tย  use the, the rolled R - mediocre.ย 
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์•„๋‹ˆ, ์•„๋‹ˆ. ๊ตด๋ฆฐ R - ํ‰๋ฒ”ํ•จ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:59
I love the sound of that word. And mediocre,ย  or mediocre. Yeah. It's great. And you alsoย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋‹จ์–ด์˜ ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ‰๋ฒ” ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ํ‰๋ฒ”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘. ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋˜ํ•œ
11:04
said paved the way, that experience pavedย  the way for you. Uh, what does that mean?ย 
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๊ทธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ๊ธธ์„ ๋‹ฆ์•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์Šจ ๋œป์ด์•ผ?
11:10
Yeah. So when something paves the way forย  something else, it means, think of bricks,ย ย 
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์‘. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ๊ธธ์„ ๋‹ฆ๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฒฝ๋Œ์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
11:15
like put you, and you're laying bricks, if you'veย  ever seen that process, or if you think about it,ย ย 
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๋ฒฝ๋Œ์„ ์Œ“๋Š” ๊ณผ์ •์„ ๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด ๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
11:20
uh, maybe the game Tetris, I don't know. I'mย  thinking of like bricks on top of each other. So,ย ย 
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ํ…ŒํŠธ๋ฆฌ์Šค ๊ฒŒ์ž„์ผ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. , ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ๋ฒฝ๋Œ์„ ์Œ“์•„ ์˜ฌ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ,
11:26
um, if you, if something paves the way forย  something else, it means that it's preparingย ย 
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์Œ, ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ๊ธธ์„ ๋‹ฆ๋Š”๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ ๊ธธ์„ ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋œป์ด๊ณ 
11:32
the path or it, it creates the stepping stones.ย  It create, it creates the pathway to somethingย ย 
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, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋””๋”ค๋Œ์„ ๋งŒ๋“ ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ํ†ต๋กœ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
11:40
else. So you can even say that someone pavedย  the way for me. In other words, someoneย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ๊ธธ์„ ๋‹ฆ์•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฆ‰, ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€
11:46
set the example, they went throughย  it first and they, they created the,ย ย 
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๋ชจ๋ฒ”์„ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ , ๋จผ์ € ๊ฒช์—ˆ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:55
the way for me to do it, the opportunity forย  me to do it because someone else did it first,ย ย 
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•, ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋จผ์ € ํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ธฐํšŒ,
11:59
I now have the opportunity to do it cuz theyย  paved the way they went through it first,ย ย 
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์ด์ œ ํ•  ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฒผ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋จผ์ € ํ†ต๊ณผํ•œ ๊ธธ์„ ๋‹ฆ์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:04
and now I know what to do. So that's myย  little achievement from when I was younger.ย ย 
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์ด์ œ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•ด์•ผํ• ์ง€ ์••๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋ ธ์„ ๋•Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์–ป์€ ์ž‘์€ ์„ฑ์ทจ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:11
How about you, Thiago? Tell us about yours. Yeah. In my case, Casse, um, I think theย ย 
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๋„Œ ์–ด๋•Œ, ํ‹ฐ์•„๊ณ ? ๋‹น์‹ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์•Œ๋ ค์ฃผ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค. ์‘. ์ œ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋Š” Casse, ์Œ,
12:17
obvious one for us here is learning English inย  my home country. Um, I think I, I was able toย ย 
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ œ ๋ชจ๊ตญ์—์„œ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์Œ, ๋‚˜๋Š” ํ•ด์™ธ
12:22
learn English very well, never having traveledย  abroad. That's an achievement that I'm proud ofย ย 
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์—ฌํ–‰์„ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ๋„ ๊ฐ€๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์—†์–ด์„œ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์•„์ฃผ ์ž˜ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š” . ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ž๋ž‘์Šค๋Ÿฌ์›Œ
12:28
and I will be proud of until I die. Right? Uh,ย  but I'm not gonna get into this today because,ย ย 
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ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ฃฝ์„ ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€ ์ž๋ž‘์Šค๋Ÿฌ์›Œํ•  ์—…์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ? ์–ด, ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์˜ค๋Š˜์€ ์ด ๋ฌธ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋‹ค๋ฃจ์ง€ ์•Š๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด,
12:34
you know, uh, we've already done a video, whereย  I share my story. So, by the way, guys, if youย ย 
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์–ด, ์ œ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ณต์œ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์ด๋ฏธ ์ œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋‚˜์ €๋‚˜, ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด
12:39
wanna see my story, uh, on how I learned Englishย  here in my home country, Brazil, you can check outย ย 
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์ œ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์œผ์‹œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ œ ๊ณ ํ–ฅ์ธ ๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ์—์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ฐฐ์› ๋Š”์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์œผ์‹œ๋ฉด ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ์ด ๊ฐ•์˜๋ฅผ ํ™•์ธํ•˜์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:45
this lesson here that we're gonna, um, link in theย  description and then you can watch it later. Okay.ย ย 
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์Œ, ์„ค๋ช…์— ๋งํฌ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๋‚˜์ค‘์— ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ข‹์•„์š”.
12:49
But for this episode, I think the achievementย  I wanted to share was leaving my parents' houseย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด ์—ํ”ผ์†Œ๋“œ์—์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ณต์œ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ๋˜ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€
12:56
when I was 24. You know, I left my parents'ย  house when I was 24, and I moved not only, uh,ย ย 
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24์‚ด ๋•Œ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜ ์ง‘์„ ๋– ๋‚œ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ 24์‚ด ๋•Œ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜ ์ง‘์„ ๋– ๋‚ฌ๊ณ , ์–ด,
13:05
from their house, but also I moved cities. Yeah.ย  So I am originally from Sao Paulo capital, and I,ย ย 
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๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜ ์ง‘๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋˜ํ•œ ๋„์‹œ๋ฅผ ์˜ฎ๊ฒผ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์›๋ž˜ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์ƒํŒŒ์šธ๋ฃจ ์ถœ์‹ ์ด๊ณ 
13:11
I was born and raised there. Um, and then at 24,ย  I came to the city where I live today in Curitiba,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ํƒœ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์ž๋ž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  24์‚ด์—, ์ €๋Š” ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‚˜๋ผ์˜ ๋‚จ์ชฝ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์ฟ ๋ฆฌํ‹ฐ๋ฐ”์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋„์‹œ๋กœ ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
13:18
which is in the south of the country. And I'm veryย  proud of that because, you know, um, I wanted myย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด ๋งค์šฐ ์ž๋ž‘์Šค๋Ÿฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์Œ, ์ €๋Š”
13:25
independence at that time. You know, I wanted, Iย  wanted to, you know, get out of my, get, get, get,ย ย 
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๊ทธ ๋‹น์‹œ ์ œ ๋…๋ฆฝ์„ ์›ํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์žˆ์ž–์•„, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์›ํ–ˆ์–ด, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์›ํ–ˆ์–ด, ์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๋‚ด, get, get, get
13:32
what's the, the expression, get away or get outย  of my parents' wing? Is that correct to say that?ย 
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, get away ๋˜๋Š” get out of my ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์˜ ๋‚ ๊ฐœ๊ฐ€ ๋ญ์•ผ? ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
13:41
You can say, I, I wanted to get out from under myย  parents' wing. (Ah) like a chicken, you know, the,ย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š”, ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์˜ ๋‚ ๊ฐœ ์•„๋ž˜์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . (์•„) ๋‹ญ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ,
13:47
the hen - it walks and her chicks are under here. So the correct way to say this is I wanted to getย ย 
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์•”ํƒ‰์ด ๊ฑธ์–ด๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๊ณ  ๋ณ‘์•„๋ฆฌ๋“ค์ด ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์•„๋ž˜์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅธ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์€
13:52
out from under my parents' wings. Yeah. That'sย  what I wanted. Yeah. So I wanted to have my lifeย ย 
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๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์˜ ๋‚ ๊ฐœ ์•„๋ž˜์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์›ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‚ด ์‚ถ
13:58
and my place and, you know, not having to explainย  myself to it, to everybody. So I did it. Yeah.ย ย 
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๊ณผ ๋‚ด ์ž๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ๊ณ , ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ ๋‚˜ ์ž์‹ ์„ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•  ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ•ด๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘.
14:04
I came here with a couple more friends at thatย  time. We had kind of a similar goal of making it,ย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋•Œ ์นœ๊ตฌ ๋ช‡ ๋ช…๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
14:12
right, in this new city, in this new state. Um,ย  unfortunately they didn't adapt very well to theย ย 
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์ด ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๋„์‹œ, ์ด ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ฃผ์—์„œ ์„ฑ๊ณตํ•˜๊ฒ ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, ์•ˆํƒ€๊น๊ฒŒ๋„ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋„์‹œ์— ์ž˜ ์ ์‘ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•ด์„œ
14:18
city, so they left a few months later. But I did,ย  I left the city and I, I got a job at that time,ย ย 
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๋ช‡ ๋‹ฌ ํ›„์— ๋– ๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋„์‹œ๋ฅผ ๋– ๋‚ฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ๋‹น์‹œ ์ง์žฅ์„ ์–ป์—ˆ๊ณ 
14:25
uh, rather quickly, you know, and I stayed. Yeah.ย  And I think it was, uh, a great decision forย ย 
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์–ด, ์˜คํžˆ๋ ค ๋นจ๋ฆฌ, ์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋จธ๋ฌผ๋ €์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ๊ฒฐ์ •์ด์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐ
14:32
me, you know, because then I met my, my wife, sheย  is from here, and then, you know, now we have kidsย ย 
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ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ๋•Œ ์ œ ์•„๋‚ด๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์ถœ์‹ ์ด์—ˆ๊ณ  ์ด์ œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
14:37
together. Yeah. So, um, yeah, it was a, it was aย  great decision. Yeah. But this idea of leaving,ย ย 
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. ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ, ์Œ, ์˜ˆ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ๊ฒฐ์ •์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด ๋– ๋‚  ์ƒ๊ฐ์€,
14:44
yeah, relatively young, I think that was, uh,ย  good. It wasn't easy. Of course, I had someย ย 
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์˜ˆ, ๋น„๊ต์  ์ Š์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”, ์–ด, ์ข‹์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‰ฝ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก  ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€
14:50
challenges. Yeah. Because, you know, you haveย  to do everything on, uh, by yourself, right? Andย ย 
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๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘. ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ž‘์—…์„ ์ง์ ‘ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
14:54
I did have, I did have some people along the wayย  who helped me, especially at the beginning, right.ย ย 
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์ €๋Š” ํŠนํžˆ ์ฒ˜์Œ์—๋Š” ์ €๋ฅผ ๋„์™€์ค€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ .
15:01
Um, with some key things. But overall,ย  I'm proud of that, of leaving early. Yeah.ย 
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์Œ, ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ผ์ฐ ๋– ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ž๋ž‘์Šค๋Ÿฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘.
15:07
I think like the, the level of independence, um,ย  that, and like self-reliance, I think that's,ย ย 
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๋…๋ฆฝ์˜ ์ˆ˜์ค€, ์Œ, ์ €๊ฒƒ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ž๋ฆฝ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ, ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
15:17
that's it. Because you, you cannotย  turn to mom and dad and go like, oh,ย ย 
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. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์—„๋งˆ ์•„๋น ์—๊ฒŒ ์˜์ง€ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—, ์˜ค, ์•Œ
15:22
you know, I'm struggling right now. Of course youย  can, I'm sure your parents would never turn youย ย 
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๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ง€๊ธˆ ์–ด๋ ค์›€์„ ๊ฒช๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์ ˆ๋Œ€
15:26
away. But I, I, I think it's, you wanna show themย  that, you know, I made this decision. I'm grown.ย ย 
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์™ธ๋ฉดํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚˜, ๋‚˜, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ด ๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ๋‚ด๋ ธ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋‚˜๋Š” ์„ฑ์žฅํ–ˆ๋‹ค.
15:31
So I think that's really, really awesome. Yeah. Yeah. I love that word that you use,ย ย 
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์ •๋ง ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘. ์‘. ๊ทธ๋‚˜์ €๋‚˜ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋‹จ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“ค์–ด์š”
15:36
by the way. Self-reliance. What's that? So when you rely, think of the word rely, so whenย ย 
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. ์ž๋ฆฝ. ์ €๊ฒŒ ๋ญ์•ผ? ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์˜์กดํ•  ๋•Œ ์˜์กด์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
15:42
you rely on someone, you're, you need them.ย  You know, I'm relying on you. I need you toย ย 
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์˜์ง€ํ•  ๋•Œ, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์˜์ง€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:47
help me with this. Um, when you self-rely, you areย  only, you only need yourself, you're depending onย ย 
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์ด ์ผ์„ ๋„์™€์ฃผ์…”์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ž๋ฆฝํ•  ๋•Œ, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์˜ค์ง, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‹น์‹  ์ž์‹ ๋งŒ ํ•„์š”๋กœ ํ•˜๊ณ , ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‹น์‹  ์ž์‹ 
15:55
yourself, your own strengths, your own abilities.ย  I'm self-reliant. I can do it by myself. It'sย ย 
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, ๋‹น์‹  ์ž์‹ ์˜ ๊ฐ•์ , ๋‹น์‹  ์ž์‹ ์˜ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์— ์˜์กดํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ž๋ฆฝํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜ ํ˜ผ์ž์„œ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€
15:59
similar to, to being an independent, I guess. But,ย  um, yeah, think of it more like, I don't depend,ย ย 
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๋…๋ฆฝํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๋น„์Šทํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์Œ, ์˜ˆ, ์ €๋Š” ์˜์กดํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
16:06
I don't need anyone else to do this. I'mย  able to do this on my own. I'm self-reliant.ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์ด ์ผ์„ ํ•  ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์—†๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ํ˜ผ์ž์„œ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ž๋ฆฝํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:11
Awesome. Cool. I wanna ask you,ย ย 
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์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ. ์‹œ์›ํ•œ. ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€๋ฐ,
16:14
you said your friends didn't make it. Whatย  does it mean when someone doesn't make it?ย 
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์นœ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ์„ฑ๊ณตํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์ž–์•„์š”. ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€ ์„ฑ๊ณตํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•˜๋‚˜์š”?
16:21
When you have a goal and you don't achieveย  that, you know, you can say that you didn'tย ย 
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๋ชฉํ‘œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋‹ฌ์„ฑ ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
16:28
make it. Uh, so when you are not successfulย  at executing a plan, or achieving a goal thatย ย 
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. ์–ด, ๊ณ„ํš์„ ์‹คํ–‰ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋ฅผ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์„ฑ๊ณตํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•  ๋•Œ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑ
16:34
you have, you can say that you don't make it.ย  The opposite is also true. If you achieve the,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ๋ฐ˜๋Œ€๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:39
the goal that you set for yourself, orย  if you were able to carry out the plan,ย ย 
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์Šค์Šค๋กœ ์„ค์ •ํ•œ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋ฅผ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ–ˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ๊ณ„ํš์„ ์‹คํ–‰ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
16:45
yeah, that you created, you made it. Uh,ย  we usually say that to refer to success,ย ย 
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์˜ˆ, ๋งŒ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด, ๋ณดํ†ต ์„ฑ๊ณต์„ ์ผ์ปซ๋Š” ๋ง์ด์ฃ 
16:51
right? When a person becomes very successful atย  something, we say that the person has made it.ย 
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? ์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์–ด๋–ค ์ผ์—์„œ ๋งค์šฐ ์„ฑ๊ณต์ ์ผ ๋•Œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:56
You also answered, like you said, you wereย  born and raised, um. What does that mean?ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋˜ํ•œ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํƒœ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์ž๋ž๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋Œ€๋‹ตํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์Šจ ๋œป์ด์•ผ?
17:03
Born and raised. Yeah. So I was born in Saoย  Paulo Capital, and I grew up there. Yeah.ย ย 
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ํƒœ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์ž๋ž€. ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์ƒํŒŒ์šธ๋ฃจ ์ˆ˜๋„์—์„œ ํƒœ์–ด๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ์ž๋ž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘.
17:09
So my first 24 years of life were spent there. Iย  was raised there. Um, your raise you for example,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ ์ธ์ƒ์˜ ์ฒซ 24๋…„์„ ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋ณด๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ์ž๋ž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ๋‹น์‹ 
17:17
or any close family member, maybe a grandparent.ย  Yeah. But typically your parents, right? So yourย ย 
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์ด๋‚˜ ๊ฐ€๊นŒ์šด ๊ฐ€์กฑ, ์กฐ๋ถ€๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ํ‚ค์›๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์ด ๋งž์ฃ ? ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜
17:24
mom and dad, they raise you. They help you growย  up well with education and clothing and foodย ย 
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์—„๋งˆ์™€ ์•„๋น ๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ํ‚ค์›๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ต์œก๊ณผ ์˜๋ณต๊ณผ ์Œ์‹๊ณผ ๊ฑด๊ฐ•์œผ๋กœ ์ž˜ ์ž๋ž„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ๋„์™€์ฃผ์ฃ 
17:31
and health, right? This is raising someone.ย  If you have kids, you have to raise them.ย 
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? ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ํ‚ค์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด ํ‚ค์šฐ์…”์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:36
I, I thought you were growing, you wereย  going for that, um, Fresh Prince line,ย ย 
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๋‚˜, ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์„ฑ์žฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ๊ณ , ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, Fresh Prince ๋ผ์ธ,
17:42
like in West Philadelphia, born and raised onย  the playground is where I spent, anyway, sorry.ย ย 
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West Philadelphia์—์„œ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ, ๋†€์ดํ„ฐ์—์„œ ํƒœ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์ž๋ž€ ๋†€์ดํ„ฐ๋Š” ์–ด์จŒ๋“ , ์ฃ„์†กํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:48
I love that episode you did with, with Ethan. Iย  was watching it again. Yeah. It, it's great thatย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด Ethan๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํ•œ ์—ํ”ผ์†Œ๋“œ๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘.
17:54
you mentioned that. So, uh, we can also linkย  that episode in the description below, uh, forย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ, ์–ด, ์‹œ์ฒญ์ž์™€ ์ฒญ์ทจ์ž๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜์ค‘์— ๋“ฃ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ์•„๋ž˜ ์„ค๋ช…์—์„œ ํ•ด๋‹น ์—ํ”ผ์†Œ๋“œ๋ฅผ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
17:59
the viewers and the listeners, uh, to listen orย  watch later. It's episode 325, where we practiceย ย 
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18:06
listening skills with the Fresh Prince of Bel Air.ย  That was a fun one to do. Okay, Casse. So now thatย ย 
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๋ฒจ์—์–ด์˜ ์ƒํผํ•œ ์™•์ž์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ์—ฐ์Šต์„ ํ•˜๋Š” 325ํ™”์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ข‹์•„, ์นด์„ธ. ์ด์ œ
18:13
we have both shared a couple of achievements hereย  that we have experienced, I thought it would beย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ•œ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๊ณต์œ ํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฏ€๋กœ, ๋‚˜์ค‘์—์•ผ ํฐ ์„ฑ๊ณต์„ ๊ฑฐ๋‘” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ
18:18
cool for us to share, briefly share, um, a storyย  about someone who has achieved huge success onlyย ย 
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์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ„๋žตํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ณต์œ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
18:25
later in their lives. Because many people haveย  this misconception that past a certain age, youย ย 
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. ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ํŠน์ • ์—ฐ๋ น์ด ์ง€๋‚˜๋ฉด
18:33
are too old, right? Oh, past 40, past 50, or evenย  60, right? I'm too old, I can't do anything else,ย ย 
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋Š™์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์˜คํ•ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„, 40๋Œ€๋„ 50๋Œ€๋„ 60๋Œ€๋„ ๋งž์ฃ ? ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋Š™์–ด์„œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ผ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
18:40
or I can't accomplish anything else. But theseย  stories that we're gonna briefly share with youย ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ผ์„ ์„ฑ์ทจํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๊ณผ ๊ฐ„๋žตํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ณต์œ ํ•  ์ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋Š”
18:45
guys actually prove the opposite. And you doย  have a couple of nice examples to give, right?ย 
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์‚ฌ์‹ค ๊ทธ ๋ฐ˜๋Œ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ข‹์€ ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์–ด์š”?
18:50
I wanna add to what you're saying because Iย  think that for women, I'm not saying it's onlyย ย 
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์—ฌ์„ฑ์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋งŒ
18:55
for women, but I think a lot of the time, youย  know, women have a different biological clock.ย ย 
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์—ฌ์„ฑ์—๊ฒŒ๋งŒ ํ•ด๋‹น๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์—ฌ์„ฑ์˜ ์ƒ๋ฌผํ•™์  ์‹œ๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๋‚ด์šฉ์— ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:01
So I think women are always thinking about theย  time they get to 30. They need to have certain,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์—ฌ์ž๋“ค์€ ํ•ญ์ƒ 30๋Œ€๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ์‹œ์ ์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”
19:07
certain things in order. So like, usually it'sย  the family life needs to be, I dunno, at least byย ย 
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. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€์กฑ ์ƒํ™œ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์ ์–ด๋„
19:14
your early thirties, you need to have that familyย  life, husband, kids or whatever. You're startingย ย 
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30๋Œ€ ์ดˆ๋ฐ˜๊นŒ์ง€๋Š” ๊ฐ€์กฑ ์ƒํ™œ, ๋‚จํŽธ, ์ž๋…€ ๋“ฑ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€
19:18
to think about the future. But when it comes toย  the career, like they always feel like there hasย ย 
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๋ฏธ๋ž˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ง์—…์— ๊ด€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ์„ ํƒ์ด ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋Š๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ
19:23
to be a choice: I'm gonna be a career woman, orย  I'm gonna be a family woman. And this is usuallyย ย 
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์ง์—… ์—ฌ์„ฑ์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๊ฐ€์กฑ ์—ฌ์„ฑ์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ
19:28
that decision that has, that falls on women. Butย  I think one amazing, uh, example of someone who,ย ย 
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์—ฌ์„ฑ์—๊ฒŒ ํ•ด๋‹น๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒฐ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—
19:36
um, really hit her stride, like after 30ย  is J.K. Rolling. I think she's like the,ย ย 
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30๋Œ€ ์ดํ›„์— ๊ทธ๋…€์˜ ๋ฐœ๊ฑธ์Œ์„ ๋‚ด๋”›์€ ๋†€๋ผ์šด ์˜ˆ๋Š” J.K. ๊ตฌ๋ฅด๋Š”. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š”
19:42
the best example that I can think of,ย  of someone who really, truly found,ย ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์€ ์˜ˆ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง, ์ง„์ •์œผ๋กœ,
19:48
um, success later in life, right? When I sayย  later, I'm saying relative because she foundย ย 
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์Œ, ๋‚˜์ค‘์— ์ธ์ƒ์—์„œ ์„ฑ๊ณต์„ ์ฐพ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด์ฃ , ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ? ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜์ค‘์— ๋งํ•  ๋•Œ , ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ 32์‚ด์— ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฐพ์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์นœ์ฒ™์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:54
it at 32. Um, and that's not late at all. Forย  those of you listening, if you're older than 32,ย ย 
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์Œ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ „ํ˜€ ๋Šฆ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹œ๋Š” ๋ถ„๋“ค์€ 32์„ธ ์ด์ƒ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด
20:00
it's, you're not late. But I think in terms ofย  what society thinks of as, um, older tends to,ย ย 
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๋Šฆ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์‚ฌํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์˜ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ๋ณผ ๋•Œ, ์Œ, ๋‚˜์ด๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:08
you know, by the time you're 32, you should haveย  your life on track. But let me talk about J.K.. Soย ย 
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32์„ธ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋ฉด ์ธ์ƒ์ด ์ˆœ์กฐ๋กญ๊ฒŒ ์ง„ํ–‰๋˜์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ J.K.์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:13
like, what she did was, she was going throughย  a really tough time, you know, like she was,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ ํ•œ ์ผ์€ ์ •๋ง ํž˜๋“  ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๊ฒช๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š”
20:21
um, I believe she was struggling with depression.ย  She was, you know, dealing with financial issuesย ย 
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์Œ, ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์šฐ์šธ์ฆ์œผ๋กœ ๊ณ ์ƒํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ๊ธˆ์ „์ ์ธ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ๋‹ค๋ฃจ๊ณ 
20:29
and going through a really bad divorce. And,ย  you know, she, she was also a mom, you know,ย ย 
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์ •๋ง ๋‚˜์œ ์ดํ˜ผ์„ ๊ฒช๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ๋‹น์‹œ์— ์—„๋งˆ์ด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
20:35
at the time. And while going through all ofย  that, she started to write Harry Potter. And,ย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ณผ์ •์„ ๊ฑฐ์น˜๋ฉด์„œ ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” Harry Potter๋ฅผ ์“ฐ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
20:41
um, this book obviously then blew, took theย  world by storm, it blew up. And, um, it wasย ย 
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์Œ, ์ด ์ฑ…์€ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๋‹น์‹œ ํญ๋ฐœํ–ˆ๊ณ , ์„ธ์ƒ์„ ํญํ’์œผ๋กœ ๋ชฐ๊ณ  ๊ฐ”๊ณ , ํญ๋ฐœํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ์Œ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€
20:47
published in 1997, and I think she was, yeah, sheย  was 32 at the time, but it really was the start.ย ย 
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1997๋…„์— ์ถœํŒ๋˜์—ˆ๊ณ  ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š”, ์˜ˆ, ๋‹น์‹œ 32์„ธ์˜€์ง€๋งŒ ์ •๋ง ์‹œ์ž‘์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:53
It was like the spark that just like ignited herย  career, like it's in a, in a positive way. Like,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋…€์˜ ๊ฒฝ๋ ฅ์— โ€‹โ€‹๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์œผ๋กœ ๋ถˆ์„ ๋ถ™์ธ ๋ถˆ๊ฝƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด,
20:58
she really blew up after that. I think, uh, maybe, I think I,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ๊ทธ ํ›„ ์ •๋ง ํญ๋ฐœํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”, ์–ด, ์•„๋งˆ๋„, ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”,
21:02
I heard that she wrote the first Harry Potterย  book in a coffee shop, right? Because I don'tย ย 
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๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ ์ปคํ”ผ์ˆ์—์„œ ํ•ด๋ฆฌํฌํ„ฐ์˜ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์ฑ…์„ ์ผ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋“ค์—ˆ์–ด์š” , ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
21:07
know if it was cuz of the, the heating systemย  they had, or the wifi, I don't know. But.ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‚œ๋ฐฉ ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ธ์ง€ ์™€์ดํŒŒ์ด ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ธ์ง€ ์˜ ๋‚œ๋ฐฉ ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ธ์ง€, Wi-Fi ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ธ์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ.
21:11
I heard that too. She wrote that in a coffee shop. I don't know ifย ย 
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๋‚˜๋„ ๋“ค์—ˆ์–ด. ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์ปคํ”ผ์ˆ์—์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ผ๋‹ค.
21:14
it was the whole book or the first chapters. Yeah. And, and just think about like, you know, how,ย ย 
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์ฑ… ์ „์ฒด์ธ์ง€ ์ฒซ ์žฅ์ธ์ง€๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ,
21:20
not only how successful the, the books are or theย  films are, but like, if we think about our own,ย ย 
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์ฑ…์ด๋‚˜ ์˜ํ™”๊ฐ€ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์„ฑ๊ณต์ ์ธ์ง€ ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ž์‹ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
21:27
like Learn English with TV lessons, likeย  think about how many fans absolutely adoreย ย 
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TV ์ˆ˜์—…์œผ๋กœ ์˜์–ด ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ, ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋งŽ์€ ํŒฌ์ด ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
21:33
those lessons because it's become suchย  a staple for English learners as well.ย ย 
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๊ทธ ์ˆ˜์—…์€ ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž์—๊ฒŒ๋„ ํ•„์ˆ˜ํ’ˆ์ด ๋˜์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ทธ ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ์ ˆ๋Œ€์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:38
Um, so yeah, it's amazing. By the way, what does that mean, whenย ย 
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์Œ, ๋„ค, ๋†€๋ž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ณ ,
21:42
something becomes a staple for a group of people? Like essential, it's like an, yeah. So whenย ย 
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์–ด๋–ค ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ง‘๋‹จ์˜ ํ•„์ˆ˜ํ’ˆ์ด ๋œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ํ•„์ˆ˜ํ’ˆ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ, ์˜ˆ. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ
21:48
something is a staple, it's like an essential,ย  it's like a go-to thing. So if you think of likeย ย 
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๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ํ•„์ˆ˜ํ’ˆ์ผ ๋•Œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ•„์ˆ˜ํ’ˆ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™๊ณ  ์ž์ฃผ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๋ฌผ๊ฑด๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์˜ ์ฃผ์‹๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
21:53
staple foods of countries, we might say that, Iย  don't know, rice and beans is a staple in Brazil,ย ย 
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ์—์„œ๋Š” ์Œ€๊ณผ ์ฝฉ์ด ์ฃผ์‹์ด๊ณ ,
22:00
um, you know, corn tends to be a stapleย  here in South Africa. Things like that.ย 
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์Œ, ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๋‚จ์•„ํ”„๋ฆฌ์นด์—์„œ๋Š” ์˜ฅ์ˆ˜์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ์ฃผ์‹์ธ ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค.
22:05
Essential, nice. It's a staple. That's a, it's aย  great piece of vocabulary. I like that. Yeah. Andย ย 
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ํ•„์ˆ˜, ์ข‹์€. ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์–ดํœ˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•œ๋‹ค. ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์ค‘์—์•ผ ํฐ ์„ฑ๊ณต์„
22:11
one example that I have of someone who achievedย  huge success only later in life is actually,ย ย 
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๊ฑฐ๋‘” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์˜ˆ๋Š” ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ
22:17
uh, Steve Carell. Um, because, you know, I have, Iย  even have here, um, a paragraph that I got from anย ย 
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์–ด, Steve Carell์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์ €๋Š” ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—, ์Œ, ๊ธฐ์‚ฌ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜จ ๋‹จ๋ฝ์ด ์žˆ์–ด์„œ
22:25
article, and let me read it to you guys. Belovedย  comedian, Steve Carell is known for his manyย ย 
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์—๊ฒŒ ์ฝ์–ด์ค„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ์ฝ”๋ฏธ๋””์–ธ์ธ Steve Carell์€
22:31
blockbuster hits, including The 40-Year-Old Virginย  and the Big Short. But he didn't land his hit roleย ย 
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The 40-Year-Old Virgin ๋ฐ Big Short๋ฅผ ํฌํ•จํ•˜์—ฌ ๋งŽ์€ ๋ธ”๋ก๋ฒ„์Šคํ„ฐ ํžˆํŠธ์ž‘์œผ๋กœ ์œ ๋ช…ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋Š”
22:39
as Michael Scott in The Office until he was 42.ย  So, you know, I think that show really made hisย ย 
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42์„ธ๊ฐ€ ๋  ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€ The Office์—์„œ Michael Scott ์—ญ์„ ๋งก์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ ์‡ผ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ์˜ ๊ฒฝ๋ ฅ์„ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
22:48
career. Yeah. And we, we both love The Office.ย  It's such a hilarious, uh, TV show. And, uh, it'sย ย 
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. ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค The Office๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š”, ์–ด, TV ์‡ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ์–ด,
22:55
crazy to think that when he got that role, he wasย  42 years old already. Right? So, you know, it,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ ์—ญํ• ์„ ๋งก์•˜์„ ๋•Œ ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ฏธ 42์„ธ์˜€๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฏธ์นœ ์ง“์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ? ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€
23:02
it's a good example of maybe he was, I, I thinkย  he, maybe he had made movies before already. Heย ย 
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์ด์ „์— ์˜ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ข‹์€ ์˜ˆ์ผ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Š”
23:06
was already working on it, uh, in the industry.ย  But the big break, let's say, yeah, or the,ย ย 
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์ด๋ฏธ ์—…๊ณ„์—์„œ ์ž‘์—…ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ํฐ ํœด์‹, ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ์˜ˆ, ๋˜๋Š”
23:13
that role that made his career, yeah, or thatย  really put it on the, put him on the map - itย ย 
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๊ทธ์˜ ๊ฒฝ๋ ฅ์„ ๋งŒ๋“  ์—ญํ• , ์˜ˆ, ๋˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ์ง€๋„์— ์˜ฌ๋ ค ๋†“์€ ์—ญํ• ์€
23:20
only came in his forties. Right? So that's anotherย  example that I can think of, yeah, about that.ย 
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๊ทธ์˜ 40๋Œ€์— ๋ถˆ๊ณผํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ? ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์˜ˆ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:27
I like what you said, putting, puttingย  him on the map. What does that mean?ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ์ง€๋„์— ์˜ฌ๋ ค๋†“์œผ์„ธ์š”. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์Šจ ๋œป์ด์•ผ?
23:31
When, in this case, a person becomes more evidentย  or more famous. Yeah. Maybe he was making smallย ย 
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์ด ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋” ๋ถ„๋ช…ํ•ด์ง€๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋” ์œ ๋ช…ํ•ด์กŒ์„ ๋•Œ. ์‘. ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ทธ๋Š” ์–ด๋Š ์ •๋„ ์œ ๋ช…ํ•ด์ง€๊ธฐ
23:38
movies or small productions before he was maybeย  somewhat well known, but after The Office,ย ย 
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์ „์— ์ž‘์€ ์˜ํ™”๋‚˜ ์ž‘์€ ์ œ์ž‘๋ฌผ์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์„์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด์ง€๋งŒ The Office ์ดํ›„์—
23:44
he became worldwide famous. So that show putย  him on the map. But, um, still talking aboutย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์„ธ๊ณ„์ ์œผ๋กœ ์œ ๋ช…ํ•ด์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ ์‡ผ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ์ง€๋„์— ์˜ฌ๋ ค๋†“์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์Œ, ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์„ฑ์ทจ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ 
23:52
achievements, right? Uh, another point that Iย  think is important to mention here is that it'sย ย 
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? ์–ด, ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ ์€
23:58
important to enjoy the journey, right? Becauseย  sometimes we might feel obsessed with the goal,ย ย 
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์—ฌํ–‰์„ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋•Œ๋•Œ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ชฉํ‘œ์— ์‚ฌ๋กœ์žกํ˜€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋Š๋‚„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:04
maybe, oh, like learning English or beingย  fluent. But if you don't enjoy the journey,ย ย 
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์ผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์—ฌํ–‰์„ ์ฆ๊ธฐ์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋ฉด
24:09
it's gonna be very hard for you to actuallyย  get your destination. Yeah. Because the journeyย ย 
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋ชฉ์ ์ง€์— ๋„๋‹ฌํ•˜๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋งค์šฐ ์–ด๋ ค์šธ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์‘. ์—ฌํ–‰์ด
24:14
is not pleasant. And these are examples thatย  we are sharing here. For example, like Steveย ย 
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์ฆ๊ฒ์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ๊ณต์œ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์˜ˆ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด Steve
24:19
Carell or even J.K. Roland, for example, yeah,ย  they were doing the work for a while, yeah,ย ย 
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Carell ๋˜๋Š” J.K. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด Roland๋Š”
24:26
before, uh, getting that goal or achievingย  that level of success. And another exampleย ย 
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๊ทธ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋ฅผ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ ์„ฑ๊ณต์„ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์— ํ•œ๋™์•ˆ ๊ทธ ์ผ์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:32
that I can think of is Leonardo DiCaprio. Nowย  bringing DiCaprio into the discussion because,ย ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์˜ˆ๋Š” ๋ ˆ์˜ค๋‚˜๋ฅด๋„ ๋””์นดํ”„๋ฆฌ์˜ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ๋””์นดํ”„๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋ฅผ ํ† ๋ก ์— ์ฐธ์—ฌ์‹œํ‚ค์„ธ์š”. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด
24:39
um, I remember watching his first movie, Iย  think in the nineties. He, he, I don't know ifย ย 
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์Œ, ๊ทธ์˜ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์˜ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋ณธ ๊ธฐ์–ต์ด ๋‚˜๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š” . ๊ทธ, ๊ทธ,
24:45
it was his first movie or one of his first moviesย  called Basketball Diaries or something like that,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ์˜ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์˜ํ™”์ธ์ง€, ๋†๊ตฌ ๋‹ค์ด์–ด๋ฆฌ๋ผ๋Š” ์ด๋ฆ„์˜ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์˜ํ™”์ธ์ง€ ,
24:50
The Basketball Diaries. And he plays, uh, aย  teenager who is addicted to drugs. And, uh, I, Iย ย 
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๋†๊ตฌ ๋‹ค์ด์–ด๋ฆฌ์ธ์ง€๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Š” ๋งˆ์•ฝ์— ์ค‘๋…๋œ ์‹ญ๋Œ€๋ฅผ ์—ฐ๊ธฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ์–ด, ๋‚˜๋Š”
24:56
could see back then that he was such a goodย  actor already, but he didn't stop there. I thinkย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ฏธ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‹น์‹œ์— ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์„œ ๋ฉˆ์ถ”์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”
25:01
two years later he did Titanic, which was huge,ย  you know? And ever since, you know, he has beenย ย 
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2๋…„ ํ›„์— ๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํƒ€์ดํƒ€๋‹‰์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ์ดํ›„๋กœ ๊ทธ๋Š”
25:09
making lots of good movies, but he only won theย  Oscars recently. Yeah. I think with the Revenant,ย ย 
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์ข‹์€ ์˜ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋งŽ์ด ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด ์™”์ง€๋งŒ ์ตœ๊ทผ์—์•ผ ์˜ค์Šค์นด์ƒ์„ ์ˆ˜์ƒํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘. ๋‚˜๋Š” Revenant์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:15
and it was a few years ago. And, there was evenย  talk already of, oh, when is Leo DiCaprio gonnaย ย 
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๋ช‡ ๋…„ ์ „์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๋ฏธ ๋ ˆ์˜ค ๋””์นดํ”„๋ฆฌ์˜ค๊ฐ€ ์˜ค์Šค์นด ๋‚จ์šฐ์ฃผ์—ฐ์ƒ์„ ์–ธ์ œ ์ˆ˜์ƒํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋„ ๋‚˜๋Œ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:22
win the Oscar for best actor? When, you know?ย  People were kind of expecting it, but it wasn'tย ย 
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์–ธ์ œ์š”? ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์–ด๋Š ์ •๋„ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ,
25:26
happening until it finally happened, happened,ย  like, you know, years later. Yeah. Did you seeย ย 
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๋ช‡ ๋…„ ํ›„์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋งˆ์นจ๋‚ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚  ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€๋Š” ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘.
25:32
that, by the way, uh, his acceptance speech? I did. I did. And something that I,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋‚˜์ €๋‚˜, ์–ด, ๊ทธ์˜ ์ˆ˜๋ฝ ์—ฐ์„ค์„ ๋ณด์…จ๋‚˜์š”? ๋‚˜๋Š”ํ–ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š”ํ–ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €, ์ €
25:38
I, I think as well, just to touch on whatย  you mentioned before, like, it's likeย ย 
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, ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋„, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ด์ „์— ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•˜์ž๋ฉด,
25:44
people could be telling you, oh, you're such,ย  you're so good at this, or you should keep going,ย ย 
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ€๊ณ ,
25:49
and you're feeling, you're thinking to yourself,ย  nah, I should give up. If, um, I was good,ย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์Šค์Šค๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋‹ˆ, ํฌ๊ธฐํ•ด์•ผ๊ฒ ์–ด์š”. ์Œ, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ž˜ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
25:54
I would've been winning awards. If I would'veย  been recognized by the film industry a long,ย ย 
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์ƒ์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์„ ํ…๋ฐ. ์˜ค๋ž˜ ์ „์—, ์˜ค๋ž˜ ์ „์— ์˜ํ™” ์‚ฐ์—…์—์„œ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ธ์ •๋ฐ›์•˜๋”๋ผ๋ฉด
25:58
a long time ago. I've been doing this for years,ย  I should just give up. I'm not that good. Um, andย ย 
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. ๋ช‡ ๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์ด ์ผ์„ ํ•ด์™”๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ํฌ๊ธฐํ•ด์•ผ๊ฒ ์–ด์š”. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค. ์Œ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
26:03
I think with Leonardo DiCaprio in this example, Iย  keep thinking that, I don't think he was fazed by,ย ย 
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์ด ์˜ˆ์—์„œ ๋ ˆ์˜ค๋‚˜๋ฅด๋„ ๋””์นดํ”„๋ฆฌ์˜ค์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ, ๊ณ„์† ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๋‹นํ™ฉํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
26:12
um, the idea of like, I need to win theย  award in order to feel good about myself,ย ย 
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26:17
or I need to win this award in, in order forย  me to recognize myself as a good actor. He wasย ย 
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์ด ์ƒ์„ ๋ฐ›์•„์•ผ ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋กœ ์ธ์ •๋ฐ›์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋Š”
26:23
take still taking on roles. He was never goingย  bankrupt, you know, he wasn't declining anything.ย ย 
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์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์—ญํ• ์„ ๋งก๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ ˆ๋Œ€ ํŒŒ์‚ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋ฌด๊ฒƒ๋„ ๊ฑฐ์ ˆํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:28
He was just living his life enjoying the process,ย  as you mentioned before. And I think this is so,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ „์— ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ •์„ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๋ฉฐ ์‚ถ์„ ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์„ ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:34
this is so important for all of us to think about,ย  like in our, where we are at in our careers or inย ย 
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ๊ฒฝ๋ ฅ์ด๋‚˜ ํ•™์Šต ์—ฌ์ •์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋””์— ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
26:40
our learning journeys. Um, and yeah, I think it's,ย  it's, it's just a really great point that you, youย ย 
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. ์Œ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋„ค, ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”, ๋‹˜์ด ์ œ๊ธฐํ•˜์‹  ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
26:46
raised. But yes, on his acceptance speech, really,ย  I, I felt moved. I thought it was really, really,ย ย 
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. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋„ค, ๊ทธ์˜ ์ˆ˜๋ฝ ์—ฐ์„ค์—์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ๋™์„ ๋Š๊ผˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •๋ง, ์ •๋ง๋กœ,
26:52
um, I think there was so many memes about likeย  him before, like him not winning, like, uh,ย ย 
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์Œ, ์ด์ „์— ๊ทธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ฐˆ์ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์•˜๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”, ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์ด๊ธฐ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€, ์–ด,
26:58
Leo just always waiting for his, his turn. It was,ย  it was a proud moment for sure. (Yeah.) I think.ย 
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๋ ˆ์˜ค๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์ฐจ๋ก€๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์ž๋ž‘์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. (๋„ค.) ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
27:03
I think, uh, he, he's known for being, uh,ย  concerned about the environment? Yeah. Andย ย 
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๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—, ์–ด, ๊ทธ๋Š” ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฑฑ์ •ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์•Œ๋ ค์ ธ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
27:10
I think he actually used that opportunity whenย  he accepted the Oscars, uh, to talk about that,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์˜ค์Šค์นด์ƒ์„ ์ˆ˜๋ฝํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ทธ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์ด์šฉํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด
27:15
right, trying to raise people's awareness of theย  environmental issues we have nowadays. Right? Soย ย 
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๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์•ˆ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ํ™˜๊ฒฝ ๋ฌธ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ์ธ์‹์„ ๋†’์ด๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ?
27:22
also, we could say that that was an exampleย  of someone who was standing up for what theyย ย 
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๋˜ํ•œ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ž์‹ ์ด ๋ฏฟ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜นํ˜ธํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ์˜ˆ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
27:27
believe in. So at that moment, he was standingย  up for a belief that he had. And what does thatย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„ ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ž์‹ ์ด ๊ฐ€์ง„ ๋ฏฟ์Œ์„ ์˜นํ˜ธํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:34
mean when you stand up for what you believe in? So, um, I remember we, we, when we were discussingย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ฏฟ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜นํ˜ธํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ, ์Œ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€, ์Œ, ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์—ํ”ผ์†Œ๋“œ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฑธ ๋…ผ์˜ํ•  ๋•Œ ๊ธฐ์–ต๋‚˜๋„ค์š”.
27:40
like, um, you know, today's episode, we wereย  talking about like the difference between likeย ย 
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27:46
standing up for, or standing up to, and, um,ย  you know, totally different things. So I'llย ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
27:52
just explain the difference in preposition thereย  as well. So when you stand up for something,ย ย 
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์ „์น˜์‚ฌ์˜ ์ฐจ์ด์  ๋„ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์˜นํ˜ธํ•  ๋•Œ,
27:56
you are saying that, you know, this is what Iย  believe in. This is the right way. I'm standingย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ฏฟ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅธ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š”
28:03
up for this. I am, I'm in agreement. You'reย  aligning yourself with that thing or that idea,ย ย 
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์ด๋ฅผ ์ง€์ง€ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋™์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด๋‚˜ ๊ทธ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ์ž์‹ ์„ ๋งž์ถ”๊ณ 
28:09
and you're saying, um, I'm gonna supportย  this. I'm gonna back this, I'm going to,ย ย 
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์Œ, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ด๊ฑธ ์ง€์ง€ํ•  ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ  . ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ์ง€์ง€ํ• ๊ฑฐ์•ผ, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ• ๊ฑฐ์•ผ,
28:14
you know, put myself, uh, in front. Like,ย  let's say you're standing up for human rights,ย ย 
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๋„ˆ๋„ ์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๋‚˜ ์ž์‹ ์„, ์–ด, ์•ž์— ๋†“์„๊ฒŒ. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ธ๊ถŒ์„ ์˜นํ˜ธํ•˜๊ณ 
28:20
you're standing up for the environment. You're,ย  you're saying this is the cause that I believeย ย 
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ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์„ ์˜นํ˜ธํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๊ฐ€์ •ํ•ด ๋ด…์‹œ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ฏฟ๋Š” ์›์ธ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
28:23
in. But if you stand up to someone or something,ย  you are, it's more confrontational. You're saying,ย ย 
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. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€์— ๋งž์„œ๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋” ๋Œ€๋ฆฝ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€
28:31
um, you know, I'm, I'm gonna stand up to theย  government. I don't know, for some reason,ย ย 
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์Œ, ์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์ €๋Š” ์ •๋ถ€์— ๋งž์„ค ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์–ด๋–ค ์ด์œ ์ธ์ง€๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ ์ •๋ถ€
28:35
if you feel like standing up to yourย  government, it means that you're saying,ย ย 
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์— ๋งž์„œ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๋งˆ์Œ์ด ๋“ ๋‹ค๋ฉด
28:39
I don't agree with what you're saying, and I'mย  gonna stand up to you now, I'm gonna have my say.ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋‚ด์šฉ์— ๋™์˜ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋งž์„ค ๊ฑฐ์—์š” , ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‚ด ๋ง์„ ํ• ๊ฑฐ์•ผ.
28:43
Yeah. And that actually reminds me, Casse, ofย  a fun fact about the Oscars that Ididn't knowย ย 
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์‘. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋ช‡ ๋…„ ์ „๊นŒ์ง€๋งŒ ํ•ด๋„ ๋ชฐ๋ž๋˜ ์˜ค์Šค์นด์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ์ƒ๊ฐ๋‚˜๊ฒŒ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, Casse
28:49
about until a few years ago. Um, as you guys canย  see here in my background, I am a huge Godfatherย ย 
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. ์Œ, ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๋‚ด ๋ฐฐ๊ฒฝ์—์„œ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋“ฏ์ด ์ €๋Š” ์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ ๋Œ€๋ถ€
28:56
fan. Um, and Marlon Brando, who plays the mainย  character, one of the main characters in theย ย 
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ํŒฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์˜ํ™”์˜ ์ฃผ์ธ๊ณต ์ค‘ ํ•œ ๋ช…์ธ ์ฃผ์ธ๊ณต์„ ์—ฐ๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋ง๋ก  ๋ธŒ๋ž€๋„๋Š” 70๋…„๋Œ€
29:02
first movie, he won the Oscars for best actor inย  the seventies. That was 1972 or three if I'm, I'mย ย 
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์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋กœ ์˜ค์Šค์นด์ƒ์„ ์ˆ˜์ƒํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ 1972๋…„์ธ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด 3๋…„์ด์—ˆ๋‚˜, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€
29:07
mistaken. But he rejected the Oscars, he turned itย  down. And actually, I thought it would be cool forย ย 
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ํ‹€๋ ธ๋‹ค๋ฉด. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋Š” ์˜ค์Šค์นด์ƒ์„ ๊ฑฐ์ ˆํ–ˆ๊ณ  ๊ฑฐ์ ˆํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ
29:13
us to watch the clip here of when he was announcedย  as the winner and what happened. So, uh, Thiago,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์šฐ์Šน์ž๋กœ ๋ฐœํ‘œ๋˜์—ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์™€ ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฌ๋Š”์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํด๋ฆฝ์„ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฉ‹์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ, ์–ด, ํ‹ฐ์•„๊ณ ,
29:20
could you please play it for us? The winner isย ย 
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์ €ํฌ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ์—ฐ์ฃผํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์–ด์š”? ์Šน์ž๋Š”
29:28
Marlon Brandoย ย 
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๋ง๋ก  ๋ธŒ๋ž€๋„
29:37
and the Godfather.ย 
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์™€ ๋Œ€๋ถ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:50
Hello, my name is Sashi Little Feather. I'mย  Apache and I'm president of the Nationalย ย 
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์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”, ์ œ ์ด๋ฆ„์€ Sashi Little Feather์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” Apache์ด๊ณ  National
29:57
Native American Affirmative Image Committee.ย  I'm representing Marlon Brando this evening,ย ย 
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American Native Affirmative Image Committee์˜ ํšŒ์žฅ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์ €๋… ๋ง๋ก  ๋ธŒ๋ž€๋„๋ฅผ ๋Œ€๋ณ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:02
and he has asked me to tell you in a very longย  speech, which I cannot share with you presentlyย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธด ์—ฐ์„ค์—์„œ ๋งํ•ด๋‹ฌ๋ผ๊ณ  ์š”์ฒญํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์ง€๋งŒ
30:09
because of time, but I will be gladย  to share with the press afterwards,ย ย 
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๋‚˜์ค‘์— ์–ธ๋ก ๊ณผ ๊ณต์œ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜์–ด
30:14
that he very regretfully cannot acceptย  this very generous award. And the reasonsย ย 
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๋งค์šฐ ์œ ๊ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ๊ด€๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ƒ์„ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์ด์œ ๋Š”
30:22
for this being are the treatment of Americanย  Indians today by the film industry, excuse me,ย ย 
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์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚  ์˜ํ™” ์‚ฐ์—…, ์‹ค๋ก€ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ํ…”๋ ˆ๋น„์ „
30:40
and on television, in movie reruns, and also withย  recent happenings at Wounded Knee. I beg at thisย ย 
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, ์˜ํ™” ์žฌ๋ฐฉ์†ก, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  Wounded Knee์—์„œ ์ตœ๊ทผ ์ผ์–ด๋‚œ ์ผ์— ์˜ํ•ด ์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚  ์•„๋ฉ”๋ฆฌ์นธ ์ธ๋””์–ธ์„ ๋Œ€์šฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š”
30:49
time that I have not intruded upon this evening,ย  and that we will in the future, our heartsย ย 
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์˜ค๋Š˜ ์ €๋…์— ๋ฐฉํ•ดํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์œผ๋ฉฐ ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๋งˆ์Œ
30:57
and our understandings will meet with love andย  generosity. Thank you on behalf of Marlon Brando.ย 
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๊ณผ ์ดํ•ด๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘๊ณผ ๊ด€๋Œ€ํ•จ์œผ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋‚  ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฐ„์ฒญํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋ง๋ก  ๋ธŒ๋ž€๋„๋ฅผ ๋Œ€์‹ ํ•ด ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹œ์—
31:08
I mean, can you imagine how shocking that mustย  have been at the time? I, I don't remember,ย ย 
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์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์ถฉ๊ฒฉ์ ์ด์—ˆ์„์ง€ ์ƒ์ƒ์ด ๊ฐ€๋‚˜์š” ? ๋‚˜, ๊ธฐ์–ต์ด ์•ˆ ๋‚˜,
31:14
maybe there were other cases, but I don'tย  remember other people like rejecting theย ย 
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์•„๋งˆ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๋„ ์žˆ์—ˆ์„ ํ…๋ฐ, ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์˜ค์Šค์นด์ƒ์„ ๊ฑฐ์ ˆํ•œ ๊ฑด ๊ธฐ์–ต์ด ์•ˆ ๋‚˜
31:18
Oscars. Maybe there are, but what did you think? Yeah. I, I, I think it is quite shocking and quiteย ย 
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. ์žˆ์„์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฅด์ง€๋งŒ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์„ธ์š”? ์‘. ๋‚˜, ๋‚˜, ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ฝค ์ถฉ๊ฒฉ์ ์ด๋ฉฐ ๊ฝค ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
31:28
like powerful, I think is, is the, the wayย  I would describe it. Because I think peopleย ย 
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. ์ž์‹ ์ด ๋ฏฟ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜นํ˜ธํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€
31:33
standing up for what they believe in tends to,ย  to connect with our emotions in a way. Like,ย ย 
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์–ด๋–ค ์‹์œผ๋กœ๋“  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ฐ์ •๊ณผ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด,
31:40
I mean, whether or not it was something that youย  thought of before, or, I mean, it's that bravery.ย ย 
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๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ด์ „์— ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋“ , ๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฉ๊ธฐ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:45
It's like sort of like you're so courageousย  to stand up and, and reject something that soย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งˆ์น˜ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ผ์–ด์„œ์„œ
31:50
many thousands of actors in Hollywood, millions,ย  even , I mean over time, have like, wanted thisย ย 
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ํ• ๋ฆฌ์šฐ๋“œ์˜ ์ˆ˜์ฒœ ๋ช…์˜ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ, ์ˆ˜๋ฐฑ๋งŒ, ์‹ฌ์ง€์–ด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ง€๋‚จ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ์›ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฑฐ๋ถ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
31:56
thing. And you're saying, I, I don't want it ifย  that means that you are going to keep treating,ย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์Œ, ์•„๋ฉ”๋ฆฌ์นด ์›์ฃผ๋ฏผ์„ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์‹์œผ๋กœ ๊ณ„์† ๋Œ€ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์›ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
32:01
um, native Americans in this way or,ย  you know, I just, I just, yeah. I mean,ย ย 
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32:05
in terms of the representation, uh, which we canย  get into in a minute, but I, I really think it'sย ย 
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ํ‘œํ˜„์˜ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ, ์–ด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ 1๋ถ„ ์•ˆ์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด
32:09
very powerful. I think it's brave. I thinkย  it's courageous. I think it's something,ย ย 
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๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฉ๊ฐํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฉ๊ฐํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
32:13
um, that the world needs more of. Yeah, I think there is a, there isย ย 
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์Œ, ์„ธ์ƒ์ด ๋” ํ•„์š”๋กœ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์˜ˆ,
32:18
an interview that Marlon Brando gave after, atย  a famous talk show in the seventies explainingย ย 
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๋ง๋ก  ๋ธŒ๋ž€๋„๊ฐ€ 70๋…„๋Œ€์— ์œ ๋ช…ํ•œ ํ† ํฌ์‡ผ์—์„œ ํ•œ ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:23
his reasoning, uh, why he decided to do this.ย  Uh, but did you hear how when she was speaking,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์™œ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์ด์œ ๋ฅผ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด, ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•  ๋•Œ
32:29
some people in the audience was booing her? Youย  know, what does it mean to boo somebody off stage?ย 
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์ฒญ์ค‘ ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋…€๋ฅผ ์•ผ์œ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๋ฌด๋Œ€ ๋ฐ–์—์„œ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์•ผ์œ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์Šจ ๋œป์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
32:35
If you're booing someone, you areย  basically sort of making a negative, um,ย ย 
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์•ผ์œ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์Œ, ์Œ, ์•ผ์œ  ๊ฐ™์€ ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ
32:44
having a negative reaction by making the soundย  like boo, like sort of like a thumb's down .ย 
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๋ƒ„์œผ๋กœ์จ ๋ถ€์ •์ ์ธ ๋ฐ˜์‘์„ ๋ณด์ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
32:50
I, I love the fact that, you know, in English,ย  that word is literally the sound that we make,ย ย 
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์ €, ์ €๋Š” ์˜์–ด๋กœ ๊ทธ ๋‹จ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋ฌธ์ž ๊ทธ๋Œ€๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‚ด๋Š” ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ผ๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด ์ข‹์•„์š”,
32:55
right? Boo. Yeah. The word is the soundย  we make. In Portuguese, it is a completelyย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ? ์šฐ์šฐ. ์‘. ๋‹จ์–ด๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‚ด๋Š” ์†Œ๋ฆฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํฌ๋ฅดํˆฌ๊ฐˆ์–ด๋กœ๋Š” ์™„์ „ํžˆ
32:59
different word for that. Yeah. It's Vaiar,ย  Vaiar. It's completely different. Yeah. Butย ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‹จ์–ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘. Vaiar์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Vaiar์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
33:07
I love the fact that in English, we just, youย  know, it is the sound Yeah. To boo boo. Yeah.ย ย 
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์ €๋Š” ์˜์–ด๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ, ๋“ฏ ๋Š” ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์˜ˆ ๋ถ€๋ถ€. ์‘.
33:12
Um, she does say, one nice pieceย  of vocabulary there that I thinkย ย 
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์Œ, ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ์—
33:17
is nice to define. She talks about movieย  reruns. What is a rerun? A movie rerun.ย 
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์ •์˜ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ข‹์€ ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ์–ดํœ˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์˜ํ™” ์žฌ๋ฐฉ์†ก์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์žฌ๋ฐฉ์†ก์ด๋ž€? ์˜ํ™” ์žฌ๋ฐฉ์†ก.
33:22
So a rerun is a repeat. So whenย  the movie runs, it's, it, it goes,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์žฌ๋ฐฉ์†ก์€ ๋ฐ˜๋ณต์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์˜ํ™”๊ฐ€ ์‹คํ–‰๋˜๋ฉด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
33:30
it plays, but when you're rerunning it, youย  are playing it again for like, I don't know,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์‹คํ–‰ํ•˜๋ฉด
33:38
the second or third time. So whenever,ย  you know, the however many of the time.ย ย 
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๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ๋˜๋Š” ์„ธ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋กœ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์–ธ์ œ๋“ ์ง€, ์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ , ๋งŽ์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
33:43
So a rerun is a repeated episode. Episode orย  movie that's been repeated more than once.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์žฌ๋ฐฉ์†ก์€ ๋ฐ˜๋ณต๋˜๋Š” ์—ํ”ผ์†Œ๋“œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ ์ด์ƒ ๋ฐ˜๋ณต๋œ ์—ํ”ผ์†Œ๋“œ ๋˜๋Š” ์˜ํ™”์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
33:49
And, I, I wanted to bring this clip today becauseย  recently I saw a piece of news from last year,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์ด ํด๋ฆฝ์„ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜ค๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ตœ๊ทผ์— ์ž‘๋…„ ๋‰ด์Šค๋ฅผ ๋ณด์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
33:56
it's very recent in 2022, saying that, uh,ย  the Academy, right, actually issued a formalย ย 
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2022๋…„์— ์•„์ฃผ ์ตœ๊ทผ์—, ์–ด, ์•„์นด๋ฐ๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ
34:04
apology to her only now 49 years later. Yeah. Itย  was, this is like very recent last year, yeah,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋…€์—๊ฒŒ 49๋…„ ๋งŒ์— ๊ณต์‹์ ์ธ ์‚ฌ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜์ค‘์—. ์‘. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ , ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ž‘๋…„๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ์˜ˆ, ๊ทธ๋‚  ์ €๋…์—
34:12
for the way that she was treated on that day, onย  that in that evening. But can you imagine like,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ ๋Œ€์šฐ๋ฐ›์€ ๋ฐฉ์‹ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
34:17
you know, 50, almost 50 years later, yeah,ย  the Academy finally issues a formal apology.ย ย 
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50๋…„, ๊ฑฐ์˜ 50๋…„ ํ›„ ์•„์นด๋ฐ๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ๋งˆ์นจ๋‚ด ๊ณต์‹์ ์ธ ์‚ฌ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ƒ์ƒํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
34:22
Yeah. So, I thought it was very interesting. Yeah. I, I mean I'm, I'm, I'm not surprised,ย ย 
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์‘. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์› ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘. ๋‚˜๋Š”, ๋‚˜๋Š”, ๋‚˜๋Š”, ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋†€๋ผ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:27
let me put it that way. I think progress inย  everything in society as well takes a while.ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌํšŒ์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์˜ ๋ฐœ์ „์—๋„ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๊ฑธ๋ฆฐ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:35
I think at the time, people's mindsets, theirย  perspectives on things were different to what theyย ย 
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๋‹น์‹œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ์‚ฌ๊ณ ๋ฐฉ์‹, ์‚ฌ๋ฌผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ด€์ ์ด
34:40
are today. And I'm, I'm really not surprised. It'sย  terrible, but I'm, I'm really not not surprisedย ย 
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์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚ ๊ณผ ๋‹ฌ๋ž๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ์ •๋ง ๋†€๋ž์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”์ฐํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ,
34:46
that it took them this long. I'm actually happyย  that they at least got around to doing it because,ย ย 
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์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์˜ค๋ž˜ ๊ฑธ๋ฆฐ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์— ์ •๋ง ๋†€๋ผ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ ์–ด๋„ ๊ทธ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜์–ด ๊ธฐ์ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด,
34:52
yeah, these, these things often go unaddressed. Yeah. Yeah. So, we were talking about beliefs andย ย 
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์˜ˆ, ์ด๊ฒƒ๋“ค, ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ์ข…์ข… ํ•ด๊ฒฐ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘. ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฏฟ์Œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ 
34:59
standing up for what you believe in, right?ย  Uh, it also reminds me of Simon Sinek and,ย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ฏฟ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜นํ˜ธํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ? ์–ด, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋˜ํ•œ Simon Sinek๊ณผ
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uh, and his famous Tad talk. He talks about howย  when you talk about things that you believe youย ย 
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์–ด, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ์˜ ์œ ๋ช…ํ•œ Tad ํ† ํฌ๋ฅผ ์ƒ๊ฐ๋‚˜๊ฒŒ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ฏฟ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๋•Œ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
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naturally attract, uh, people who believe whatย  you believe, who believe the same things you do.ย ย 
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๋ฏฟ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฏฟ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค, ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฏฟ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ์ž์—ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ฒŒ ๋Œ์–ด๋‹น๊ธฐ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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It's really about finding your group of people,ย  your community, right? And for English learners,ย ย 
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๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ๊ทธ๋ฃน, ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆํ‹ฐ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์ €ํฌ ์•ฑ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด
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I think a great way for you to do that isย  by using our app. If you wanna connect withย ย 
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์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
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other passionate English learners who justย  like you are in this journey of, you know,ย ย 
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improving their English and becoming moreย  fluent in English, you should definitelyย ย 
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์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ํ–ฅ์ƒํ•˜๊ณ  ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋” ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ด ์—ฌ์ •์— ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์—ด์ •์ ์ธ ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž์™€ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋ฐ˜๋“œ์‹œ
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check out our app. And I think now is a perfectย  moment for us to go to a shout out section here.
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์ €ํฌ ์•ฑ์„ ํ™•์ธํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์ง€๊ธˆ์ด ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ์™ธ์นจ ์„น์…˜์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๊ธฐ์— ์™„๋ฒฝํ•œ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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So I would definitely say that thisย  connects with the mindset and you know,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งˆ์Œ๊ฐ€์ง๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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we mentioned before about, you know, how ourย  achievements sort of shape us and how, you know,ย ย 
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์ด์ „์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์„ฑ์ทจ๊ฐ€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ˜•์„ฑํ•˜๋Š”์ง€,
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even if it's a little achievement, even if it'sย  something small that seems insignificant inย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ž‘์€ ์„ฑ์ทจ์ผ์ง€๋ผ๋„, ์ž‘์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„๋„ ์‚ฌ์†Œํ•œ
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the moment, uh, or small victory, let's call itย  that. If it's a small victory that seems minor,ย ย 
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์ˆœ๊ฐ„, ์–ด, ๋˜๋Š” ์ž‘์€ ์Šน๋ฆฌ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ถ€๋ฅด์ž . ์‚ฌ์†Œํ•ด ๋ณด์ด๋Š” ์ž‘์€ ์Šน๋ฆฌ๋ผ๋ฉด, ๊ทธ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์—๋Š”
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it's insignificant to, might seem insignificantย  in the moment, but it could lead to great thingsย ย 
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์‚ฌ์†Œํ•ด ๋ณด์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ,
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if you keep going, if you keep working at it.ย  And that starts with a really specific kind ofย ย 
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๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ, ๊ณ„์† ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํฐ ์ผ๋กœ ์ด์–ด์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ •๋ง ํŠน์ •ํ•œ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ๋งˆ์Œ๊ฐ€์ง์—์„œ ์‹œ์ž‘๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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mindset, right? You have to have that sort ofย  willingness and that endurance to keep going.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ? ๊ณ„์† ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•˜๋ ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์˜์ง€์™€ ์ธ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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Yeah, we talk about the growth mindset a lot hereย  too. Yeah. Instead of having a fixed mindset,ย ย 
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์˜ˆ, ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—์„œ๋„ ์„ฑ์žฅ ์‚ฌ๊ณ ๋ฐฉ์‹์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งŽ์ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์‘. ๊ณ ์ •๋œ ๋งˆ์Œ๊ฐ€์ง,
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a growth mindset, I'm always learning. I'm openย  to the journey. And life is an adventure. That'sย ย 
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์„ฑ์žฅํ•˜๋Š” ๋งˆ์Œ๊ฐ€์ง ๋Œ€์‹  ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ์—ฌ์ •์— ์—ด๋ ค ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ธ์ƒ์€ ๋ชจํ—˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ
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pretty much it. Awesome. So, uh, now we wannaย  hear from you guys, dear viewers and listeners.ย ย 
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๋‹ค์•ผ. ์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ. ์ž, ์ด์ œ ์นœ์• ํ•˜๋Š” ์‹œ์ฒญ์ž์™€ ์ฒญ์ทจ์ž ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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The question for today is, have you seen anyย  movie lately that blew your mind or that blewย ย 
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์˜ค๋Š˜์˜ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ์ตœ๊ทผ์— ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋งˆ์Œ์„ ์‚ฌ๋กœ์žก์•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
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you away? Share with us in the comment sectionย  below a nice movie that you have seen recently.ย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์‚ฌ๋กœ์žก์€ ์˜ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์ตœ๊ทผ์— ๋ณธ ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ์˜ํ™” ์•„๋ž˜์˜ ๋Œ“๊ธ€ ์„น์…˜์—์„œ ๊ณต์œ ํ•ด ์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
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Or you can, again, you can also send us an emailย  at [email protected]. I hope youย ย 
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๋˜๋Š” [email protected]์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋ฉ”์ผ์„ ๋ณด๋‚ผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
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enjoyed today's episode and stay tuned for nextย  week's one, because it's gonna be also packed withย ย 
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์˜ค๋Š˜ ์—ํ”ผ์†Œ๋“œ๋ฅผ ์ฆ๊ธฐ์…จ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ฉฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ์ฃผ์—๋„
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info, vocab, inspiration, and other fun stuff.ย  And I'll talk to you soon. So 1, 2, 3. Aww Awwย ย 
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์ •๋ณด, ์–ดํœ˜, ์˜๊ฐ ๋ฐ ๊ธฐํƒ€ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‚ด์šฉ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋“ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ณ„์† ์ง€์ผœ๋ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ณง ์–˜๊ธฐํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 1, 2, 3. ์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„์•„
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yeah yeah! Alright. (Oh, nice.)
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์•„์•„์•„! ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์€. (์˜ค, ์ข‹๋‹ค.)
์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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