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譯者: 至磊Zi Le 黃Ng
審譯者: Shelley Tsang 曾雯海
00:04
Seems like only yesterday
my mother said to me,
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我的母親對我說這些話
彷彿只是昨天的事:
00:09
"The ugliest thing in the world
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「世界上最糟糕的東西就是
穿著襪子的裸體男人。」
00:11
is a naked man with socks on."
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00:13
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
00:17
Can you believe that was the first piece
of sex advice I ever received?
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你們能不能相信這就是
我得到的第一條關於性的建議?
00:22
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
00:23
I was 11 years old, growing up in Kenya,
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我當時十一歲,成長於肯亞,
00:26
and I believe this might have been
my mother's way of trying to scare me
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我相信這可能是母親恐嚇我的方式,
00:30
out of having intimate
relationships with men.
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讓我不要與男人有親密關係。
00:34
It didn't.
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她的計畫失敗了。
00:35
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
00:36
Instead, I became fascinated by sex.
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與之相反,我為了性而著迷。
00:40
I wanted to hear
other people's stories about sex
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我想要聽到其他人關於性的故事,
00:43
and watch all the movies
with all the sex scenes.
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看了每一部有性愛場面的電影。
00:47
Everything about this very taboo subject
was so intriguing to me.
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這個禁忌議題的一切
都深深地吸引著我。
00:53
Well, now my mum's gone.
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現在我母親已經去世了,
00:55
Nine years this year.
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那是九年前的事。
00:57
And true to her word,
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她說的是真的,
00:59
the ugliest thing in the world
is a naked man with socks on.
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世上最糟的東西
就是穿著襪子的裸男。
01:02
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
01:05
But over time, I have found things
to be far much uglier.
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但隨著時間的流逝,
我發現了糟糕許多的東西。
01:09
It took me a ton of therapy
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經過無數治療,
01:12
to realize that my fixation with sex
was due to a traumatized childhood.
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我才發現我對於性的迷戀
是源於受創傷的童年。
01:19
See, I was sexually assaulted
when I was eight years old.
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要知道,我八歲就遭到性侵害。
01:24
And I never told anybody,
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我從未告訴任何人,
01:26
because even in my
comedic-sex-advice household,
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因為儘管我的家庭
提供可笑的性建議,
01:30
I still didn't learn about consent.
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我還是沒有學到「同意」。
01:32
And I was afraid.
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我當時很害怕,
01:34
Afraid that I would get into trouble.
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怕我可能陷入麻煩之中,
01:37
Afraid that it was my fault
or that nobody would believe me.
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怕這是我的錯,或是沒人相信我。
01:41
Or, worse still,
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或者更糟的是,
01:43
afraid that my parents
would ground me forever.
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怕我的父母會永遠把我禁足。
01:47
And I'm not alone.
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我不是唯一一人。
01:49
Men sexually assault women and girls
on a massive rate in Kenya,
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肯亞婦女和女孩
被男人性侵的比例非常高,
01:54
where 45 percent of women
aged between 15 and 49
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介於 15 至 49 歲的女性中,
有 45% 的人表示
01:59
have reported either physical
or sexual violence.
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自己曾受過肢體或性暴力。
02:03
Actually, only 14 percent
have reported sexual violence.
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實際上,只有 14% 的人
回報自己曾受過性暴力,
02:08
And this is possibly
because most of this violence
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而這很可能是因為這些暴力
絕大多數發生於同居關係之中,
02:11
happens in domestic partnerships,
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02:14
where the perpetrator
is known by the victim.
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被害人知道施暴者是誰。
02:18
And these patterns play out
all around the world.
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這種模式在世界各地屢見不鮮。
02:23
And I truly believe
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而我真的相信,
02:24
that it's a lack
of sex education in schools
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學校性教育的缺失
要負上部分責任。
02:28
that is partially to blame.
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02:30
Back home,
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回到家中,
02:32
the education system is one
of destroying your relationship with self,
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教育體系會摧毀你和自己的關係,
02:37
shaming you for your discovery
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羞辱你的覺察,
02:40
and then praising you
for how much you conform.
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讚揚你有多麼順從。
02:43
This, coupled with disturbing
imagery of ailing genitals,
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再加上令人不安的
染上性病的生殖器照片,
02:49
is aimed at teaching us one thing:
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目的是教導我們一件事:
02:52
to abstain from all sexual activity.
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戒絕所有性活動。
02:56
The perfect puritanical society.
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完美的清教徒式的社會。
03:01
But of course, young people
are still having sex.
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但當然,年輕人還是會有性行為。
03:04
They just don't understand
the consequences
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他們只是不知道這種
成人般的選擇會有什麼後果。
03:07
of their adult-like choices.
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03:09
This, too, was my experience.
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這也是我自己的經驗。
03:12
I had zero resources growing up
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我成長時沒有任何資源,
03:15
and, unfortunately, often found myself
in less-than-favorable situations
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我發現相較於其他青少年,
我時常不幸地處在不利的情況。
03:20
as a teen and a young adult.
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03:24
Add on to that coming out as a queer woman
in a very homophobic country.
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再加上我在非常恐同的國家
公開我是一名酷兒女性。
03:31
My therapist once jokingly said
that I needed to pick a struggle.
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我的治療師曾經開玩笑說,
我只該挑一種困難來面對。
03:35
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
03:40
All of this is to say,
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講這麼多是要說,
03:41
I really want to create a better
transition process for young people,
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我非常希望為年輕人
開啟更好的轉變,
03:48
because I truly believe
that the more we talk about sex,
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因為我真心相信
只要關於性的討論越多,
03:52
the safer and the better
it'll be for everybody.
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性對於所有人都會更安全、美好。
03:56
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
04:01
So in 2016,
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所以在 2016 年,
04:03
I started a sex-positive podcast
called "The Spread."
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我創立了性積極播客頻道「傳播」。
04:09
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
04:10
Targeted at a pan-African audience.
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以全非洲的聽眾為目標。
04:14
I really wanted to create a safe space
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我非常希望創造一個安全的場域,
04:16
where young people could openly talk
about different aspects of their sexuality
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讓年輕人可以敞開心胸,
談論他們性慾的不同面向,
04:21
without feelings of shame or judgment.
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不會覺得羞恥或受到評判。
04:25
And it turns out
people love to talk about sex.
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結果發現大家熱愛討論性。
04:29
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
04:31
And I've had the great pleasure and honor
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我感到快樂與榮幸
04:33
of answering a myriad of these questions
about sex on my podcast,
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能夠在我的播客上
回答無數關於性的問題,
04:37
such as, "My boyfriend says
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例如「我男友說,
04:40
that if we have sex and it's my first time
and without a condom,
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如果我們的性行為是我的第一次,
那就算他不戴保險套,
我也不會懷孕。
04:43
that I won't get pregnant.
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04:45
Is this true?"
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這是真的嗎?」
04:47
Of course it's not true.
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當然這不是真的。
04:48
Having sex without a condom poses
great risk of not only getting pregnant
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發生性行為卻不戴保險套
引起的威脅不止於懷孕,
04:53
but contracting STIs.
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更可能染上性病。
04:55
Or, “I watch too much porn,
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或是「我看了太多色情片,
04:57
and I'm no longer aroused by my partner.
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結果對伴侶再也沒有性慾。
04:59
Am I broken?"
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我有病嗎?」
05:01
No, you're not broken.
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不,你沒病,
05:03
But too much porn can desensitize you
from real-life pleasures.
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但看太多色情片會讓你
對現實生活的快樂麻木。
05:08
Or, "I'm 24 years old
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或者「我二十四歲,
05:10
and my friends make fun of me
because I'm a virgin.
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朋友嘲笑我還是處女。
05:13
Should I have sex
just to gain popularity?"
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我該不該為了受歡迎
而發生性行為呢?」
05:17
Absolutely not.
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絕對不要。
05:19
First of all, virginity
is a social construct.
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首先,處女是社會建構出來的觀念。
05:23
And I think you should have
your sexual debut --
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而且我認為你應該把初夜保留到……
05:26
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
05:27
thank you --
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謝謝你們——
05:28
when you’re good and ready to.
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你覺得適合並準備好的時候。
05:30
A lot of the time, we have a lot of fun
on the podcast, honestly.
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老實說,我們經常在播客
享受很多歡樂。
05:35
But sometimes it does get
a little bit serious,
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但有時會變得有些嚴肅,
05:38
especially when it comes
to one topic in particular:
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尤其是談論一個議題時:
05:42
consent.
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同意。
05:44
These are some of the questions I receive.
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這裡有一些我收到的問題。
05:46
"My husband insists on having sex with me
even when I don't want to.
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「即使是我不願意的時候,
丈夫也堅持進行性行為。
05:50
I've relayed my concerns.
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我表達過我的顧慮,
05:52
He always responds with,
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但他總是回答:
05:54
'You're my wife.
It's your place to do so.'
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『妳是我太太,這是妳的職責。』
05:56
How do I prevent this from happening?"
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我該怎麼防止這種事發生?」
05:58
Or, "I went out last night
and woke up this morning
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或是「我昨晚外出,今早才醒來,
06:01
next to the guy that was chatting me up.
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發現身旁是昨天搭訕我的傢伙。
06:03
I have no idea what happened,
but I think we had sex.
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我不曉得發生什麼事,
但我覺得發生了性行為。
06:06
What should I do?"
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我該怎麼辦?」
06:08
It's conversations like these
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像這樣的對話更加證實
06:10
that reinforce the fact
that people don't have the first clue
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人們對於如何談論「同意」
一點想法也沒有。
06:15
how to talk about consent.
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06:17
So it's become my life's work
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因此我一生的事業就是
06:19
to create a curriculum
to educate young people on consent.
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創立一個課程,
教導年輕人關於同意的事。
06:25
Now the inspiration for this
might surprise you,
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啟發我這麼做的動機
可能讓你們感到驚訝,
06:28
but I got it in my 30s
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但我得到靈感是在三十幾歲、
06:32
after a visit to a BDSM dungeon.
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造訪了一座 BDSM 地牢後。
06:35
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
06:37
For those of you that don't know,
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如果有人沒聽過 BDSM ,
06:39
BDSM is a series of practices
and erotic role play
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那是一系列的行為
與涉及性欲的角色扮演,
06:44
that involve bondage, discipline,
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包含綁縛與調教、
支配與臣服、施虐與受虐。
06:48
dominance and submission
and sadomasochism.
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06:51
Now I know, a lot of people
have a lot of misleading information
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我知道很多人對於 BDSM 群體
抱持不少具誤導性的資訊,
06:55
about the BDSM community,
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06:57
but more often than not,
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但大部分時候,
06:58
we create and curate safe spaces
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我們會建立、安排安全的空間,
07:02
with an array of toys and items
for the kinky community to play with,
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提供一系列玩具和物件
給具有特殊癖好的群體玩樂,
07:06
if they so please.
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如果他們喜歡的話。
07:08
It's like a playground.
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那就像一座遊樂場,
07:10
For adults.
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不過是給成人的。
07:12
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
07:13
In BDSM, everything is negotiated
before it happens.
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BDSM 的所有行為
發生前都經過協商。
07:18
And these are some
of the rules and regulations
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而且一進來這個群體,
就要遵守一些規則。
07:20
that would greet you upon entry.
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07:23
One:
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第一條:
07:25
Do not touch anyone without asking.
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請勿未經詢問便觸碰他人。
07:28
Even a hug,
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即便只是擁抱,
07:29
if you don't know somebody,
is a bad move without permission.
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如果你不認識對方,
未經允許就是錯的。
07:33
Two:
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第二條:
07:34
Do not touch anyone's toys
without permission.
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請勿未獲同意便觸碰他人的玩具。
07:38
If you're not sure
if something is a toy, ask.
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如果你不確定某個東西
是不是玩具,那就發問。
07:42
Three:
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第三條:
07:43
Consent can be withdrawn
at any time during an activity.
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活動中的任何時刻均可撤回同意。
07:49
And my personal favorite:
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還有我個人的最愛:
07:50
if consent is not given,
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如果徵求同意被拒,
07:53
do not ask again.
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請勿再次詢問。
07:55
Accept and respect a "no,"
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接受並尊重說「不」的人,
07:58
as graciously as you would a "yes."
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就像對說「好」的人一樣友善。
08:00
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
08:06
Now, in no way am I interested
in teaching children BDSM.
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我絕對不想教小朋友 BDSM 。
08:10
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
08:12
But BDSM, a community
that is created strictly for adults
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但為成人創立的 BDSM 群體
有嚴謹的規定,
08:17
that people view
as shameful and dangerous,
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眾人覺得這可恥、危險,
08:20
has better guidelines
for learning about consent
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但它對學習「同意」
可以提供更好的指引,
08:24
than many homes or schools
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相較於世界各地的許多家庭或學校。
08:26
in many parts of the world.
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08:28
And like you've heard,
these rules aren't specifically sexual,
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就像你們剛剛所聽到的,
這些規則不涉及性,
08:32
but they can apply to sex.
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但可以適用於性。
08:35
I truly think that the strategy
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我真心認為促進成人
進行健康的性行為的策略
08:38
to raising adults
with healthy sexual behaviors
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08:41
is to first teach kids about consent,
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就是先教會孩子「同意」,
08:44
like, super early,
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趁非常小的時候,
08:46
way before sex is even a topic
of conversation.
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在性成為討論話題之前。
08:50
Can you imagine
having conversations with kids
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你們能不能想像和小朋友交談,
08:52
and letting them know that everything
about their bodies can be negotiated?
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讓他們知道自己身體的所有事情
都可以經過協商?
08:57
For example,
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舉例來說,
08:58
let them decide who they want
to help them during bath time.
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讓他們決定希望誰幫自己洗澡;
09:02
Or tell them
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或是告訴他們
09:04
that they don't have to accept
that kiss on the cheek from grandma.
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不一定要接受祖母親吻他們的臉頰;
09:07
Or tell them that they
have to ask for a permission
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或是告訴他們必須先徵求同意
09:10
before they play
with somebody else's toy truck.
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才能玩其他人的玩具卡車;
09:13
And let them know that they can say,
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讓他們知道自己可以說:
09:15
"Actually my pronouns are they/them,"
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「我的代名詞是
中性的 they/them 」,
09:18
without feeling guilty.
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不必有罪惡感。
09:19
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
09:23
It's these tools that will help
keep our children safe
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就是這些事物有助於
保障我們孩子的安全,
09:27
and respect people throughout their lives.
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終其一生尊重他人。
09:30
We have the power to shape the future.
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我們有力量可以形塑未來。
09:34
The solutions are simple.
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解決方案很簡單,
09:37
It's the patriarchy
that's so damn difficult.
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最難纏的是父權社會。
09:39
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
09:42
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
09:46
So let's engage five,
six or eight-year-olds
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讓我們把五歲、六歲、八歲的孩子
09:52
on conversation around consent
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納入有關同意和身體自主權的討論,
09:55
and bodily autonomy
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as a function of affirming their humanity,
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藉此聲明他們應該被當做人來看待,
10:01
which in turn can look like adults
having safe, healthy,
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就像成人可以享有
安全、健康、愉悅、
有趣的性愛那樣。
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pleasurable and fun sex.
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10:10
Because consent isn't just about sex.
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因為同意不只跟性有關,
10:15
It's first about communication
and relationships.
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更重要的是同意
關乎溝通與人際關係。
10:20
Thank you.
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謝謝你們。
10:21
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
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