What Wikipedia Teaches Us About Balancing Truth and Beliefs | Katherine Maher | TED

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What Wikipedia Teaches Us About Balancing Truth and Beliefs | Katherine Maher | TED

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It is lovely to be with you here this evening.
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So as you just heard, my name is Katherine Maher
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and I used to be, until very recently, the CEO of the Wikimedia Foundation,
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which is the organization behind Wikipedia.
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And my tenure coincided with a very strange time for information.
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A global crisis of fake news and disinformation,
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which meant that our free-knowledge movement
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really sort of stood alone.
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At the same time, too,
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we saw a collapse in public trust around the world
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in many of our critical civic institutions.
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And one of the reasons for this collapse in public trust,
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in things like public science and an independent free press
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and even perhaps in the idea of democracy itself,
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is that people around the globe are increasingly skeptical
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about the ability of these institutions to respond to our future challenges
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and changing needs.
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And yet, during this time,
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trust in Wikipedia actually went up.
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Something that surprised us as much as anyone.
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And so I started wondering, what is it about this organization,
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this radical experiment in openness,
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self-governance and amateurism, volunteerism,
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that made it so different?
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And I've come to believe that in many ways,
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the things that made Wikipedia implausible are actually what prepare it
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to respond to our changing world.
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And make it a place that people love and trust.
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And so one of the things about it, of course,
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is that it is edited entirely by volunteers,
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ordinary people from all over the world.
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All of the decisions about encyclopedic content
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and organizational policies
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take place in a transparent and open fashion.
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This means that Wikipedia can continue to change
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as the world changes around it,
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integrating new ideas and new perspectives.
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But I think one of the most critical things
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that I found really important
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is that its model pushes us to work together
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into deliberation and into conversation
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so that the end result is something
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that most of us feel is reasonable and fair.
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Now, easy enough for some things,
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like articles on animals with fraudulent diplomas ...
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(Laughter)
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Which is a real article on Wikipedia.
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But what about the hard things,
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the places where we are prone to disagreement,
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say, politics and religion?
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Well, as it turns out,
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not only does Wikipedia's model work there,
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it actually works really well.
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Because in our normal lives,
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these contentious conversations tend to erupt
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over a disagreement about what the truth actually is.
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But the people who write these articles,
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they're not focused on the truth.
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They're focused on something else,
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which is the best of what we can know right now.
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And after seven years of working with these brilliant folks,
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I've come to believe that they are onto something.
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That perhaps for our most tricky disagreements,
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seeking the truth
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and seeking to convince others of the truth
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might not be the right place to start.
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In fact,
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our reverence for the truth might be a distraction
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that's getting in the way
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of finding common ground and getting things done.
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Now,
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that is not to say that the truth doesn't exist,
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nor is it to say that the truth isn’t important.
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Clearly, the search for the truth has led us to do great things,
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to learn great things.
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But ...
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I think if I were to really ask you to think about this,
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one of the things that we could all acknowledge
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is that part of the reason
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we have such glorious chronicles to the human experience
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and all forms of culture
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is because we acknowledge there are many different truths.
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And so in the spirit of that,
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I'm certain that the truth exists for you
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and probably for the person sitting next to you.
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But this may not be the same truth.
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This is because the truth of the matter is very often, for many people,
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what happens when we merge facts about the world
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with our beliefs about the world.
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So we all have different truths.
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They're based on things like where we come from,
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how we were raised
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and how other people perceive us.
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Now you and your neighbor, who's probably a reasonable person --
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they look like a nice person?
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Yeah, they're probably a reasonable person.
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(Laughs)
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You two can probably get together
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and come to some sort of shared agreement.
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But what happens when a third person joins the conversation
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or a fourth or a fifth?
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What happens when we try to expand this out
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to the scale of all 7.8 billion of us?
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The reality is we are a vast and varied world.
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And so when we try to use our personal truths
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to come to conversations
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around collective decision-making on important issues,
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we start to run into problems.
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Because collective decision-making,
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the sort of thing that we want to do in democratic and open societies
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requires that we get together with common understandings
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about the root of the problem
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and some assumptions about how we might get out of it.
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But if we're using our personal truths to do this,
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we end up having conversations about our values and our identity.
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Because remember, our truths come from where we come from.
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And then we're focusing on what divides us
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instead of what we can agree upon.
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And that allows us to start having conversations about the truth
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in a way that focuses on what we believe
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rather than what can be known.
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And that is a definition that is deeply divisive and harmful.
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I think about our lack of urgent action on climate change.
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We've known for a very long time now
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about the negative impacts of man-made carbon in the atmosphere.
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But ...
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[the] implications of that data
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challenge our identities, our industries, our communities
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in ways that have led and created resistance and even disinformation,
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and the resulting public debates about the truth of climate change
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have prevented us from taking specific and concrete actions
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that could mitigate the harms to us around rising seas,
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increasingly deadly waves of heat and cold
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and powerful storm systems.
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With such urgent threats ahead of us,
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we need better ways to get to a shared understanding.
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Fortunately, I've seen how, at Wikipedia,
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we can come to cooperative and productive conversations
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around disagreement and decision making
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without using one shared truth as our baseline.
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Its generous and accommodating approach
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offers us a practical way to take it down a notch,
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focusing on something a little less stressful:
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the best of what can be known right now.
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And the good news is we can know a lot of things.
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We have high-quality information,
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facts and data that allow us to do things
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like track the migration of endangered species
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or the spread of a pandemic around the world.
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These are useful tools in our toolbox,
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but they don't necessarily alone change minds
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or unite disparate views.
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So how do we do that?
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We shift from focusing on one key truth
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to instead finding minimum viable truth.
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Minimum viable truth means getting it right enough
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enough of the time
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to be useful enough to enough people.
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It means setting aside our bigger belief systems
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and not being quite so fussy about perfection.
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And this idea of minimum viable truth
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is actually a tremendously forgiving idea,
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which is one of the things I love about it the most.
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It recognizes our messy humanity.
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It acknowledges space for uncertainty,
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for bias and for disagreement
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on our way to the search for the answers.
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So ...
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one thing you may not know about Wikipedia
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is that it actually assumes that we are all biased.
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It is the reason that you are not supposed to write articles about yourselves.
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Because can any of you truly be neutral
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about how brilliant and remarkable you are?
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(Laughter)
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I didn't think so.
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But when we are forced to defend our biases,
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when we are forced to go into the data and the citations
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and really engage,
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grapple with the intellectual struggle
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that comes from meeting up against other people's biases,
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our horizons can expand
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and we can get to new and better understandings about the world.
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How does this work?
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Well, in 2019,
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a group of researchers released a study
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looking at how Wikipedia writers take on the most contentious
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and difficult topics.
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And what they found
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was that the system actually works really well.
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These are some of the best articles on Wikipedia.
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And many of them are written by people
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who fundamentally disagree with one another.
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They also found something interesting,
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which is that the more that these polarized contributors
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engaged in conversation,
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the more balanced and productive their contributions became.
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Which means that Wikipedia may be one of the only places on the internet
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where disagreement actually makes you more agreeable.
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Now, I knew instinctively this is true
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because I’ve seen how productive friction can really get us places,
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how mistakes and debate actually brings people into the conversation.
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You don’t sit back when you disagree with someone,
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because engaging offers you the chance
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to shape the public record.
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Through that process,
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ideas become sharper, better and more understandable
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In this way, the seeds of our disagreement
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can actually become the roots of our common purpose.
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All of this is very well and good,
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but what does it mean and how do we actually apply it
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to other organizations and institutions
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and systems that we are a part of,
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in order to increase trust and reduce polarization
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and perhaps get some important things done?
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Well, I've already talked a little bit about productive friction,
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the good kind that makes our ideas better.
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That is possible because of a few things:
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notably, clear rules
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and strong community norms.
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Clear rules help us engage on the substance of the issue
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rather than debating the identity of the author.
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Those rules are not upheld by any one individual on high.
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They're actually maintained and uplifted by the entire community.
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So we all have a shared sense of responsibility for success.
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The other piece of this is
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that it is essential that decisions are not just made
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by those who show up in the room.
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You have to be intentional about bringing all the voices in.
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When Wikipedia first started,
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the majority of its authors were Western white men,
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which led to some really significant biases and gaps
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in the types of articles that were written
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and the slant of those articles.
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Recognizing this by being intentional about undoing some of these systems
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that were actively excluding people
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and doing the hard work of actually rebuilding them
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so that more people would feel welcome in the conversation,
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we are now able to have a better reflection of the known world.
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The next piece of this is really about interdependence.
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The way that the system works is that you cannot go it alone.
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In order for your contributions to stick,
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they have to earn the agreement of your fellow contributors,
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which is a powerful forcing mechanism for people to work together.
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Next is the idea of shared power.
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All of those debates result in 350 edits a minute to Wikipedia,
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which means that no one person can be in charge of the whole thing.
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You have to let go of power.
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You have to give it to other people.
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You have to trust in their ability
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to manage the areas of their own expertise and interests.
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And by doing so,
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you earn their commitment and agency to make this project work.
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It also requires humility
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because you're going to get it wrong some of the times.
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But getting it wrong some of the time
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is worth it for getting it right most of the time.
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And speaking of time,
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you have to have a very different relationship to urgency.
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So much in the world is about moving fast.
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But moving fast has actually broken a lot of things.
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It's broken our trust.
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It has undermined our confidence in many of our systems of governance,
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perhaps even our faith in democracy itself.
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By slowing down a little bit
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and bringing the conversation in,
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by listening with sincerity,
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debating with respect,
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consulting widely
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and weighing difficult decisions with candor,
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you can actually build systems that endure.
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But most importantly, you can build trust,
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that quality that is in such short supply right now.
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And trust in one another is what we need
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in order to weather uncertainty and take brave action.
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So what I'm asking all of you today
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is to set aside your own personal truth for just a minute,
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for the opportunity to sit in someone else's.
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It's to endure the productive friction
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of coming to common agreement
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with someone who you may not agree with or perhaps even like.
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And with just enough rules and a little bit of time,
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I believe that you can do it.
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And you just might find,
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we all just might find,
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that the most important things that we do
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are the ones that we do together.
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Thank you.
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(Applause)
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