Stephanie Kelton: The big myth of government deficits | TED

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When things break, we have an opportunity.
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We can pick up the pieces and put them back together the old way,
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or we can look for better ways to build.
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Covid broke everything.
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It put a spotlight on the many deficits in our economy --
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in employment, education, health care, housing --
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and it showed how inequality made it all worse.
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Here in the US and around the world, governments did some extraordinary things.
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They sent money to people directly to help them buy food and pay rent.
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They provided free Covid testing
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and expanded health care to cover more of the population.
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They gave money to businesses to help keep them afloat
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while much of the economy was temporarily shut down.
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They offered debt relief to millions of people
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who borrowed money to go to college.
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They did all of this and more without raising taxes
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or having a prolonged battle
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over the usual question of how to pay for it.
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To me, this was exciting,
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and I'm an economist, so I don't say that a lot.
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(Laughter)
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But as someone who's been trying to change the way we think
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about deficits and government spending,
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I saw this as an opportunity
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to show why government budgets don't work like household budgets.
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Why all of their red ink is really our black ink.
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And why our nation can afford to keep investing in the things we need
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even after spending trillions to fight the pandemic.
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For a while, it looked like the US and other countries
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were starting to break the mold on the old way of thinking
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about deficits and taxes.
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But now here we are,
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just a handful of months after all of that bold action,
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and we're sliding back into our old habits of thought.
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Can we build affordable housing and fix crumbling infrastructure?
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Can we expand Medicare to include dental, vision and hearing?
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Can we tackle our climate crisis?
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As Congress debates these questions, everyone is back to asking,
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how will you pay for it?
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It's the wrong question.
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In fact, the right questions don't involve money at all.
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Instead of worrying about where the financing will come from,
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we should be asking, are these things worth doing
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and do we have the real resources, the people, the equipment,
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the raw materials and the technology to do them?
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Well, they make society better off.
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And do we have the political will to act?
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I'm one of a handful of economists
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who contributed to the body of academic scholarship
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known as MMT or Modern Monetary Theory.
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MMT provides an accurate description
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of how a fiat currency like the US dollar or the British pound actually works.
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It reminds us that we're no longer on a gold standard,
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so finding the money to pay for the things we need
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is never an issue for countries like the US or the UK.
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If we're going to fix what's broken in our economy,
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we have to fix the way we think about the limits on government spending.
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Let me give you an example
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of the kind of broken gold standard thinking
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that still permeates our discourse.
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Back in 1983, the prime minister of Great Britain, Margaret Thatcher,
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said these words:
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"If the state wishes to spend more,
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it can do so only by borrowing your savings or by taxing you more,
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and it is no good thinking that someone else will pay.
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That someone else is you.
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There is no such thing as public money.
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There is only taxpayers' money."
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Maybe you've heard the contemporary version of Thatcher's dictum.
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"There is no magic money tree."
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It's just another way of saying that everything must be paid for
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and that the taxpayer is ultimately on the hook
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for whatever the government spends.
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It sounds worrying.
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As individuals, we know that when we borrow money
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to go to college, start a business or buy a home,
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we're personally saddled with that debt.
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We have to find the money to pay it back.
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Taking on too much personal debt can lead to all sorts of problems.
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Even small businesses and large corporations
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have to walk a fine line when it comes to debt.
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But the federal government is fundamentally different.
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Unlike the rest of us,
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Congress never has to check the balance in its bank account
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to figure out whether it can afford to spend more.
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As the issuer of the currency,
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the federal government can never run out of money.
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It can afford to buy whatever is available and for sale in its own currency.
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Now that might mean spending on roads and bridges,
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a military arsenal or hospitals and schools.
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Finding the votes to pass a spending bill can be hard,
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but finding the money
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is never a problem.
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They just create it.
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So here's how it works.
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Whenever Congress and the president agree to spend more,
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the government's bank, the Federal Reserve,
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works with the rest of the financial system
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to get that money into our accounts.
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Everything's done electronically,
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so there's no physical printing of money involved.
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If you got a 1,400-dollar check from the federal government
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earlier this year,
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or if your company received money to help cover payroll and other expenses,
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then you received some of the newly minted digital dollars
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that were created to support our economy.
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No taxpayers were involved in that process.
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It was all done using nothing more than a computer keyboard.
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So why are we hearing so much about the need to raise taxes
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to pay for infrastructure and make other investments in our economy?
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In a word,
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deficits.
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We've all been conditioned to worry about deficits,
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so lawmakers are looking for ways to spend more
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without adding to the deficit.
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That's what this whole pay-for game is about.
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Unfortunately, deficits have gotten a bad rap.
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They're almost always seen in a negative light.
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And I would like to change that.
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When we hear the word "deficit,"
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we probably think of a deficiency or shortfall.
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A deficit always sounds ominous.
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So when we hear that the federal government
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just ran a three-trillion-dollar budget deficit,
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it can sound worrying.
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And it can even anger people.
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But there's another way to think about government deficits.
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Just as a six becomes a nine when we view it from a different angle,
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a government deficit becomes a financial surplus
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when we look at it from another perspective.
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A deficit hawk might look at this picture
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and see nothing but a sea of worrying red ink.
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That's not how I look at it.
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Here's what I see.
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I see what's happening
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on the other side of the government's ledger.
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When the government spends more than it taxes away from us,
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it makes a financial contribution to some other part of the economy.
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Their red ink is our black ink.
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When you look at it this way,
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it becomes clear that every deficit is good for someone.
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The question is for whom
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and what are those deficits being used to accomplish?
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It matters how the money is spent
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and who ends up with the resulting surplus.
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Tax cuts that deliver huge windfalls for those at the top
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without sparking investment and opportunity
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for the rest of the population
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don't make good use of deficits.
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On the other hand,
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spending trillions to support the economy during the pandemic
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put the deficit to good use.
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We just had the shortest recession in US history.
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To me, that was fiscally responsible.
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Being responsible shouldn't mean running the government's finances
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like a household.
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Instead of trying to keep the deficit in check,
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Congress should be focused on keeping inflation in check.
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That's the real limit on spending
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and it's the thing to watch out for
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if you're thinking about spending trillions
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on things like infrastructure, health care and free college.
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Instead of asking, "How will we pay for it?,"
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Congress should be asking, "How will we resource it?"
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To answer that question,
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think of people, factories, equipment and raw materials like wood and iron.
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If we're going to build high-speed rail,
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fix crumbling infrastructure and green our economy,
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then we'll need concrete, steel and lumber.
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We'll need construction workers, architects and engineers.
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We'll need companies that can fill thousands of orders for solar panels,
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EV charging stations and electric school buses.
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If our economy has the productive capacity to quickly supply all of those things,
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then we can easily resource it.
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Or take health care or free college.
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Paying the bills to expand Medicare,
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to include dental, vision and hearing is easy.
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The challenge is making sure
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we have enough dentists, optometrists and audiologists
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to treat everyone who needs care.
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And if you want to resource free college,
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then you need the faculty,
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the classrooms and the dormitories to teach and house more students.
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In a full-employment economy,
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all of the resources you need are, well,
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fully employed.
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There's no spare capacity anywhere in the system.
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So if the government suddenly tried to make all of these investments at once,
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it would quickly discover that it doesn't have the people
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or the building materials to do the work.
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To get the resources it needs,
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it would have to compete with the private sector,
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bidding up wages and prices.
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That would be inflationary and it would be fiscally irresponsible.
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We are a long way from full employment.
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We have the resources we need to begin repairing our broken systems.
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But we have to believe it's possible.
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We can't let words like debt and deficits hold us back.
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With a better understanding of public money,
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where it comes from and how it works
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we can take aim at the many real deficits that are bearing down on us.
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In every crisis lies an opportunity.
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We can pick up the pieces
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and try to reassemble the fragile systems that were in place before the pandemic
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or we can build anew,
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shaping our bountiful resources into the kind of world we want to live in,
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one that cares for our people and our planet.
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I truly hope we choose to be bold.
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Thank you.
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