Advanced English Lesson: How to Make Friends in 52 Minutes!

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Rachel's English


ไธ‹ใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžๅญ—ๅน•ใ‚’ใƒ€ใƒ–ใƒซใ‚ฏใƒชใƒƒใ‚ฏใ™ใ‚‹ใจๅ‹•็”ปใ‚’ๅ†็”Ÿใงใใพใ™ใ€‚ ็ฟป่จณใ•ใ‚ŒใŸๅญ—ๅน•ใฏๆฉŸๆขฐ็ฟป่จณใงใ™ใ€‚

00:00
Today we're going to talk about making friends in America.
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ไปŠๆ—ฅใฏ ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใงๅ‹้”ใ‚’ไฝœใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
00:04
This is something a lot of you guys have asked me about.
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00:10
David, I got an email today
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00:12
from a Rachel's English Academy student named Clarence
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00:16
who was saying he goes to school in the US
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ๅฝผใฏใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใฎๅญฆๆ กใซ่กŒใใจ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใŸใŒใ€
00:19
but all of his friends that he's making
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00:21
are other international students.
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00:23
And he says they're great people, they're wonderful friends,
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ใใ—ใฆๅฝผใฏๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ไบบใ€…ใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ๅ‹้”ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใจ่จ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€
00:26
but he wants more opportunity to practice his English
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ๅฝผใฏ
00:29
and to engage with Americans while he's here.
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00:32
And he was asking for some advice
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00:33
about making friends in America.
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00:36
And it reminded me of the podcast that we made,
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ใใ—ใฆ
00:38
which I'll play at the end of this video,
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00:41
so you won't have to click anywhere to find it,
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00:43
but I also thought it's worth revisiting.
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00:46
It's a big topic.
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00:47
It's a really big topic, yeah.
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00:49
So I thought we could start a little bit
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00:51
by talking about our best friends, how we've made them,
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ใ€่ฆชๅ‹ใซใคใ„ใฆ ใ€ใฉใ†ใ‚„ใฃใฆไฝœใฃใŸใฎใ‹ใ€
00:55
and then also now at this stage in life
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ใใ—ใฆไปŠใ€ไบบ็”Ÿใฎใ“ใฎๆฎต้šŽใง
01:00
how it's harder to make friends,
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01:02
I think we're both finding,
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01:03
and we can sort of talk about ways
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01:06
to connect with Americans.
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01:09
So out of your very best friends,
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01:11
you have different sets of people, wouldn't you say?
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01:14
Yeah, I think that that's right.
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01:17
And where did you make your best friends?
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01:20
They come from a couple different areas
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01:23
and stages of life, I guess.
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From high school and college, there's a couple of people
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that are even to this day very close friends, actually,
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01:31
my closest friends, I would say.
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01:33
And then I also have some very good friends
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01:36
who I've met through work, so, later in life.
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01:40
And then, just meeting people who are friends of friends,
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01:46
so some kind of connection through a shared friend.
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And again, that one was later in life.
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01:55
that's a good point.
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01:55
You brought up two potential ways to make friends.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ่‰ฏใ„็‚นใงใ™ใ€‚
ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ ๅ‹้”ใ‚’ไฝœใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใฎ2ใคใฎๆฝœๅœจ็š„ใชๆ–นๆณ•ใ‚’ๆŒใกๅ‡บใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
01:59
First of all, you mentioned school, which I think
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a lot of us have made a lot of friends in school.
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02:06
The reason is you're seeing the same people over and over
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02:09
every day, that helps build friendships,
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02:11
but you also mentioned work,
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02:13
and I think a lot of people watching this video
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02:16
might be people who live in the United States,
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02:19
work in the United States, but have a hard time
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02:22
taking the co-worker level to a friendship level.
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02:28
What would you say about that?
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02:29
Would you have any advice about how to approach somebody
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in a more formal situation to turn it into something
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02:38
that has a casual side as well?
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02:41
Yeah, I think it is challenging.
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02:42
I think it's challenging for Americans too.
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02:46
One of the things that I've been thinking about,
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02:47
as we've been preparing, is that it's tempting sometimes
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02:52
to say no to an invitation
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02:54
if you're not feeling the whole way comfortable.
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02:56
Invitations tend to come out of the blue.
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02:58
And a non-native speaker might especially
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03:00
if they're not feeling really confident in their English
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03:03
might especially have a hesitation there.
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03:06
Right, so I think an important thing
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03:08
is to say to yourself right now
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03:11
the next time that I'm approached by somebody at work
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03:14
who says, "Hey, do you want to go to a movie?
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03:16
"Hey, do you want to get a drink after work?
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03:18
"Hey, some of us are gonna go to happy hour on Friday
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ใ€Œใญใˆใ€็งใŸใกใฎไฝ•ไบบใ‹ใฏ ้‡‘ๆ›œๆ—ฅใซใƒใƒƒใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ขใƒฏใƒผใซ่กŒใใคใ‚‚ใ‚Š
03:21
"after work, do you wanna come along?"
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ใงใ™ใ€ไป•ไบ‹ใฎๅพŒใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏไธ€็ท’ใซๆฅใŸใ„ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
03:23
It might not be somebody that you know very well
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03:26
or again, you might have that instantaneous sort of,
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03:29
"Oh my god, they're all gonna be speaking really quickly,
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03:33
"I'm not gonna feel comfortable."
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ใ€Œ็งใฏๅฟซ้ฉใซๆ„Ÿใ˜ใ‚‹ใคใ‚‚ใ‚Šใฏใชใ„ใ€ใจๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ้€Ÿใ่ฉฑใ™ใคใ‚‚ใ‚Šใงใ™ใ€‚
03:35
But I think it's really important in those spots
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ใงใ‚‚ ใ€ใใ†ใ„ใ†
03:38
to push yourself to say,
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ใจใ“ใ‚ใงใฏใ€
03:39
"Yep, sure, that sounds great, I'd love to."
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ใ€Œ ใใ†ใ ใญใ€ใ„ใ„ใญใ€ใ‚„ใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใ€ใจ่‡ชๅˆ†ใซ่จ€ใ„่žใ‹ใ›ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅคงไบ‹ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
03:42
Knowing that at worst, it's gonna be an opportunity
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ๆœ€ๆ‚ชใฎๅ ดๅˆใ€ใƒใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ซใƒผใจๅฎŸ้š›ใซ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’็ทด็ฟ’ใ™ใ‚‹ๆฉŸไผšใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹
03:46
to really practice your English with native speakers,
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03:49
and at best, it's gonna be a chance
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ใจใ€ใ›ใ„ใœใ„ใ€ไป•ไบ‹ใ‚’่ถ…ใˆใŸๆ–นๆณ•
03:52
to really connect with people in a way that's beyond work.
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ใงไบบใ€…ใจๅฎŸ้š›ใซใคใชใŒใ‚‹ๆฉŸไผšใซใชใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ† ใ€‚
03:55
And if a co-worker has invited you to do something,
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅŒๅƒšใŒ ใ‚ใชใŸใซไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่ช˜ใฃใŸๅ ดๅˆใ€
03:58
then I think that's a sign
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ใใ‚Œใฏ
04:01
that that's somebody you can feel comfortable with,
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ใ‚ใชใŸ ใŒ
04:03
if you don't understand, saying,
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็†่งฃใงใใชใ„ๅ ดๅˆใ€
04:06
"I'm sorry, you're speaking a little too fast.
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ใ€Œใ”ใ‚ใ‚“ใชใ•ใ„ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸ ใ‚‚ๅฐ‘ใ—่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใŒใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๅฟซ้ฉใซๆ„Ÿใ˜ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹่ชฐใ‹ใ ใจใ„ใ†ใ‚ตใ‚คใƒณใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ ้€Ÿใ„ใ€‚
04:08
"What did you say?"
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ใ€Œใ‚ใชใŸใฏไฝ•ใจ่จ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ‹๏ผŸใ€
04:09
Or something like that.
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ใพใŸใฏใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ€‚
04:11
They've invited you into a more intimate relationship,
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’ ใ‚ˆใ‚Š่ฆชๅฏ†ใช
04:15
a less formal relationship, so I think you can feel free
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้–ขไฟ‚ใ€ใ‚ˆใ‚Šๆญฃๅผใงใฏใชใ„้–ขไฟ‚ใซๆ‹›ๅพ…ใ—ใŸ ใฎใงใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใใ‚Œ
04:19
to take advantage of that and ask for clarification.
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ใ‚’ๅˆฉ็”จ ใ—ใฆ่ชฌๆ˜Žใ‚’
04:24
Maybe they use an idiom or a phrasal verb you don't know,
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ๆฑ‚ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ‚คใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใ‚ชใƒ ใ‚„ ๅฅๅ‹•่ฉž
04:27
great opportunity for you to ask.
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ใ€่ณชๅ•ใ™ใ‚‹็ตถๅฅฝใฎๆฉŸไผšใงใ™ใ€‚
04:29
Now, let's flip this around
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ใงใฏใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’่ฃ่ฟ”ใ—
04:31
and say no one's asking you at work to do something.
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ใฆ ใ€่ทๅ ดใงไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซ้ ผใพใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไบบใฏใ„ใชใ„ใจ่จ€ใ„ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
04:37
What about starting it yourself?
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใงๅง‹ใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใฏใฉใ†ใงใ™ใ‹ใ€‚ใ‚ใชใŸ
04:39
I think a great thing that you can look for
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ใซใจใฃใฆ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ“ใจใ ใจๆ€ใ„ ใพใ™ใ€‚
04:43
as you're wanting to connect with more people,
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ใ‚ˆใ‚Šๅคšใใฎไบบใ€…ใจใคใชใŒใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใฃใฆ
04:45
whether it's at work or maybe you go to church
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ใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒไป•ไบ‹ไธญใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ ใ€ๆ•™ไผšใซ่กŒใ
04:51
or you have some sort of religious group
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ใ‹ใ€ใพใŸใฏใ‚ใชใŸใŒๅ‚ๅŠ ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ใ‚‹็จฎใฎๅฎ—ๆ•™ใ‚ฐใƒซใƒผใƒ—ใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹ใซใ‹ใ‹ใ‚ใ‚‰ใš
04:52
that you participate with, if you're looking,
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ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆŽขใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใชใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใ„ใ‚‹
04:55
any group of people that you're seeing regularly,
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ไบบใ€…ใฎใ‚ฐใƒซใƒผใƒ—ใ‚’ๆŽขใ™ใ“ใจใŒ ใงใใพใ™ ๅฎšๆœŸ็š„ใซ
04:57
if you're looking to take it a step further,
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่ฆ‹ใฆ ใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ใ•ใ‚‰ใซไธ€ๆญฉ้€ฒใ‚“ใง
05:00
I think always look for
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ใฟใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใชใ‚‰ใ€ใ„ใคใ‚‚
05:02
some common interest that you might have.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๅ…ฑ้€šใฎ้–ขๅฟƒไบ‹ใ‚’ๆŽขใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
05:05
So for example, if at the office you come to realize
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ใŸใจใˆใฐใ€ ใ‚ชใƒ•ใ‚ฃใ‚นใง
05:10
that your co-worker is really into the Marvel action movies
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ๅŒๅƒš ใŒใƒžใƒผใƒ™ใƒซใฎใ‚ขใ‚ฏใ‚ทใƒงใƒณๆ˜ ็”ป
05:16
or whatever and you are too, discuss it, talk about it,
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ใชใฉใซๅคขไธญใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซ ๆฐ—ไป˜ใ„ใŸๅ ดๅˆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใ‚‚ใใ‚Œใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ๅˆใ„
05:19
and then maybe at some point say,
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ใ€่ฉฑใ—ๅˆใ„ใ€ใ‚ใ‚‹ๆ™‚็‚นใง
05:21
"Hey, let's go see the new one", or whatever.
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ใ€Œใญใˆใ€ ๆ–ฐใ—ใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’่ฆ‹ใซ่กŒใใชใ•ใ„ ใ€ใ€ใพใŸใฏไฝ•ใงใ‚‚ใ€‚ ใ™ใงใซๅ…ฑ้€šใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹
05:24
Find something that you already have in common
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ใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใฆใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚’
05:28
and then use that as a way
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05:30
to invite somebody to do something.
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่ชฐใ‹ใซไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่ช˜ใ†ๆ–นๆณ•ใจใ—ใฆไฝฟ็”จใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
05:32
And also, don't be afraid to ask somebody.
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ใพใŸใ€่ชฐใ‹ใซๅฐ‹ใญใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๆใ‚Œใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
05:35
It's not unusual in a work environment
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่ทๅ ด็’ฐๅขƒ
05:37
to see if a co-worker wants to do something outside of work.
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ใงใฏใ€ๅŒๅƒšใŒไป•ไบ‹ไปฅๅค–ใฎใ“ใจใ‚’ใ—ใŸใ„ใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹ใ‚’็ขบ่ชใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏ็ใ—ใ„ใ“ใจใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
05:41
So, definitely, in America,
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€้–“้•ใ„ใชใใ€ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใงใฏใ€
05:43
that's a pretty common thing to happen.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ‹ใชใ‚Šไธ€่ˆฌ็š„ใชใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
05:46
So definitely feel free,
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€็ตถๅฏพใซๆฐ—่ปฝใซใ€
05:47
or even if you're just having a good conversation
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ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ„ใฏ
05:51
to just say, "Oh, do you want to meet up after work
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ใ€Œไป•ไบ‹ๅธฐใ‚Šใซไผšใ„ใŸใ„ใ€ใจ่จ€ใฃใฆไผš่ฉฑใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใงใ‚‚
05:53
"for a little bit?
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ใ€ใกใ‚‡ใฃใจใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
05:54
"Do you have time?"
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"ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๆ™‚้–“ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ"
05:55
Or something like that.
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ใพใŸใฏใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ€‚
05:57
I think also realizing that somebody has a common interest
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ใพใŸใ€ใใฎไผš่ฉฑใฎๆœ€ไธญใงใ‚ใฃใฆใ‚‚ใ€่ชฐใ‹ใŒๅ…ฑ้€šใฎ้–ขๅฟƒใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’่ช่ญ˜ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
06:00
even at just during that conversation,
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06:04
that means that the person is gonna be really interested
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใใฎไบบ ใฏ
06:06
in what you have to say.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่จ€ใ‚ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ“ใจใซๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
06:08
That I think means it's a good time to say to yourself,
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ใใ‚Œ ใฏใ€่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใซ่จ€ใ†ใฎใซ่‰ฏใ„ๆ™‚ๆœŸใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
06:11
okay, this person is probably gonna be fine with me saying,
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ใ„ใ„ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€ใ“ใฎไบบใฏใŠใใ‚‰ใ ็งใซ
06:15
"Hey, I didn't quite catch that, can you say that again?"
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ใ€Œใญใˆใ€็งใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅฎŒๅ…จใซ็†่งฃใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸ ใ€ใ‚‚ใ†ไธ€ๅบฆ่จ€ใ†ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸใ€ใจ่จ€ใฃใฆๅคงไธˆๅคซใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
06:19
Or even after you've said something
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ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ„ใฏ
06:21
that you're not sure is quite right,
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ใ€ใ‚ˆใใ‚ใ‹ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ“ใจใ‚’่จ€ใฃใŸๅพŒใงใ‚‚ใ€
06:23
that kind of a person is a good person to say,
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ใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชไบบ ใฏ
06:26
"Hey, did I say that right?
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ใ€Œใญใˆใ€ใใ†่จ€ใฃใŸใฎ๏ผŸใ€ใจ่จ€ใ†ใฎใŒใ„ใ„ไบบใงใ™ใ€‚
06:27
"I wasn't sure if I said that right."
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06:29
I think making people your conversation partner,
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06:34
it often just takes a little bit of courage in saying,
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06:38
"Hey, did I say that right?
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06:39
"Hey, would you mind just saying that again?
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06:42
"I wasn't quite sure I caught it."
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06:44
Almost always people are really willing to jump in and say,
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ใปใจใ‚“ใฉใฎๅ ดๅˆใ€ไบบใ€…ใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ ๅ–œใ‚“ใง้ฃ›ใณ่พผใ‚“ใงใ€
06:47
"Oh, actually, yeah, you almost had it right,
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06:50
"but there was this one little part,
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06:52
"let me tell you about it."
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06:53
People love to help.
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06:55
- And they might not correct you if not prompted.
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06:57
- I would say that even stronger,
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06:59
they're likely to not correct you.
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07:01
I think Americans are,
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07:04
I think some cultures would be much more free
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07:06
to jump in and say, "Oh, you said that a little bit off."
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07:10
Thinking back to being in Italy,
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07:11
I feel like Italian culture, it's more kind of out there,
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07:15
and people might say, "Oh you said that a little bit wrong."
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07:18
I think Americans are very reticent to initiate that,
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07:22
but very ready to give you that feedback if you ask for it.
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07:26
That would be my take on it.
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07:29
- And this is reminding me, as we're talking about work,
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07:33
I'm thinking, okay, one of my other students
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07:36
in Rachel's English Academy, Sam, works in Silicon Valley,
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07:39
and he was saying so many of his co-workers,
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07:42
the vast majority were non-native speakers.
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07:45
And so, even though he was interacting with people
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07:48
all throughout the day, and he lives in America,
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07:50
he still felt like he was not immersed in American English,
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07:55
which he really wanted to be
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07:56
because he wanted to get better at it.
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07:58
So this is the same issue that Clarence was having.
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08:01
All of his friends were international students.
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08:05
Where are other places?
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08:07
How can you start relationships with people,
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08:12
start friendships with people?
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08:13
I had a couple of ideas.
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08:15
One of them is, when I was studying in Europe,
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08:20
the place where I was studying, the Goethe-Institut,
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08:24
had a program where it matched people
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08:27
who wanted to learn languages,
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08:28
so I was matched with somebody who lived there in Germany
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08:32
that wanted to learn English.
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08:33
That became a great way for me to practice German
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08:38
and also to have a friend.
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08:40
And so I would say look for programs where
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08:44
maybe there's a language school, let's say you speak Arabic,
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08:48
find a language school, if they're giving Arabic classes
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08:52
and especially intermediate or advanced classes,
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08:55
contact them and say, "I'm a native Arabic speaker.
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08:59
"Do you have any program
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09:00
"where you connect your native speakers with Americans?
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09:03
"'Cause I'd love a language exchange."
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09:06
It's a possibility.
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09:07
And then it's really a win-win 'cause you're both invested,
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09:10
you're both wanting the same thing.
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09:12
And when you're meeting someone regularly,
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09:14
it's very possible that a real friendship
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09:16
can develop, I think.
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09:18
- Absolutely.
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09:19
- Another thing that I've talked about before is,
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09:22
how can you create a space
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09:24
where you're seeing the same people regularly?
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09:27
If it's not work, if it's not school,
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09:31
and there are various clubs,
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09:34
there's a running club in Philadelphia.
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09:36
In our neighborhood, there's like a mom's meetup group.
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09:41
Look for that kind of thing.
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09:43
What's your interest?
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09:44
Search for it online,
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09:45
see if there's a local group where people are meeting up.
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09:48
There's the the dad's meetup once a month,
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09:51
that you've been to before.
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09:52
That's a great way to maybe connect with people
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09:57
more than once.
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09:58
And I really think when it comes to friendship,
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10:01
in the podcast, I was talking about my friend Cara
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10:04
who will chat up anybody on the subway,
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10:07
in the line at the grocery store, it doesn't matter,
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10:10
and she sometimes exchanges numbers
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10:13
and makes friends with people.
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10:15
Most people aren't like that.
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10:16
Most people need a time or two of meeting somebody
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10:23
in sort of a more structured environment
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10:25
to let friendship develop. - I think that's right.
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10:29
Another thing I was thinking about is,
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10:31
I've played co-ed soccer in an intramural league,
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10:34
and in that league you can sign up as an individual person,
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10:37
you don't have to be part of a team already,
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10:40
and I think this is a pretty big trend in a lot of cities
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10:43
in the US where all kinds of sports
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10:46
from kickball and really informal sorts of sports,
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10:50
all the way up to obviously competitive intramural sports
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10:54
are happening, I think it's a trend not just in Philadelphia
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10:57
but people are using the internet to easily sign up
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11:01
for those kinds of leagues. - Great point.
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11:04
- And you sign up for something like that,
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-ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใซใ‚ตใ‚คใƒณใ‚ขใƒƒใƒ—ใ—ใพใ™ใ€
11:06
especially if you sign up as an individual,
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11:08
you're just gonna get plunked on a team,
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11:10
and of course that's incredibly terrifying
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11:13
to show up for the first game,
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11:15
but it forces you to meet native speakers,
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11:17
it forces you to use some conversation.
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11:19
And also, I think that, again, there's sort of a happy hour,
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11:23
let's grab a drink after the game culture,
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11:27
in a lot of those leagues and organizations,
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11:30
and so be ready to say, "Yeah, yeah, I'm in, let's go."
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11:34
And then, even if it's 10 people,
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11:37
you don't have to make friends with all of them,
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11:38
but maybe there's one person
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11:40
who you kind of have a connection with and you can say,
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11:44
"Hey, I'll see you next week, it was great to meet you."
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11:48
Any kind of club or anything that's interesting to you.
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11:51
- And if sports isn't your thing,
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11:52
I think there is a lot of gaming,
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11:55
a lot of stuff set up around gaming,
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11:57
both traditional games like board games, card games,
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12:00
and then of course video games, which we know nothing about,
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12:03
but we know that they're very huge at this point in time.
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12:07
And that people are going
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12:08
and watching other people play and stuff.
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12:10
So, whatever, however you like to spend your time,
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12:15
try to find a group of people doing the same thing.
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12:19
So let's get into some things
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12:21
that are a little bit more American specific.
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12:25
How do you feel,
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12:28
do you feel that Americans are approachable?
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12:30
And if someone approached you,
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12:34
how would you want them to approach you?
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12:36
I guess is my question.
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12:40
Some people, there can be a big cultural unknown,
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12:45
and someone might say,
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12:46
"Well, I would never do that in my own country,
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12:48
"that would be interpreted as this.
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ใชใ„ใ ใ‚ใ†ใ€ใจ่จ€ใ†ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใ“ใ‚Œใจใ—ใฆ่งฃ้‡ˆใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
12:51
"I'm afraid to do that here."
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12:54
If someone at work, say, wanted to be your friend,
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12:59
and how would they approach you
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13:01
in a way that would make you feel open to that,
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13:04
do you think?
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13:05
- Yeah, that's actually a really
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13:06
difficult question to answer, I think.
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13:09
For me, the default should be to be pretty direct.
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13:14
"You can be as direct as I am
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13:19
"new to the culture of making friends in America.
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ใ€ ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใงๅ‹้”ใ‚’ไฝœใ‚‹ๆ–‡ๅŒ–ใซๆ…ฃใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
13:22
"And it was great talking with you about the movie
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ใ€Œใใ—ใฆ ใ€ๆ˜ ็”ปใซใคใ„ใฆใ‚ใชใŸใจ่ฉฑใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใงใ™ใ€‚
13:26
"over lunch, would you be open to hanging out sometime?"
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13:32
I do think that Americans,
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13:35
compared to a lot of other cultures can come off
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13:38
as a little bit chilly or standoffish.
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13:44
But I think that right behind that is a desire to connect,
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13:48
and I would say being direct is the way to go.
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13:53
You could sit back and try to figure out,
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13:55
"Well maybe if I did it this way or this way or this way",
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13:58
put yourself out there and take on this sort of,
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14:02
even if you have to fake it,
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14:04
take on the spirit of courage and directness
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ใ€ ๅ‹‡ๆฐ—ใจ็›ดๆŽฅๆ€งใฎ็ฒพ็ฅžใ‚’ๅ–ใ‚Š
14:06
and just say, "Hey, would you be up for going
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14:11
"to lunch sometime?
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14:12
"Or what about coffee some afternoon?"
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14:15
You just gotta go for it.
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14:17
- What do you think about this idea?
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14:18
I think a lot of people are interested in
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14:22
things they don't know much about,
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14:24
and a lot of people love having a hook-up,
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14:27
someone that knows a lot about something.
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14:30
What if someone approached you and said,
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14:33
like let's say a Japanese co-worker, and said,
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ใŸใจใˆใฐๆ—ฅๆœฌใฎ ๅŒๅƒšใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่จ€ใฃใฆใ€
14:36
"Hey, there's this great Japanese restaurant,
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14:39
"do you want to come with me sometime?
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ใ€Œใ„ใคใ‹ไธ€็ท’ใซๆฅใพใ›ใ‚“ใ‹๏ผŸ
14:41
"And I can show you all the best foods."
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ใ€Œใใ—ใฆใ€็งใฏใ‚ใชใŸใซใ™ในใฆใฎๆœ€้ซ˜ใฎ้ฃŸใน็‰ฉใ‚’่ฆ‹ใ›ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚ใ€
14:44
Or something like that, a way to invite them
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ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ„ใฏใ€ใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ€ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซๅ›ฝๅ†… ใฎๆ–นๆณ•ใงๅฝผใ‚‰
14:46
into your own culture in a way within America
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14:49
or to be able to share something unique about yourself
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14:53
could also be a really great way to pique someone's interest
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14:57
in you and what you have to offer.
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14:59
- Yeah, I think that's a great point.
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15:01
And related, no matter what kind of activity,
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ใใ‚Œใซ้–ข้€ฃใ—ใฆใ€ ใฉใ‚“ใชๆดปๅ‹•
15:05
if you know that you're interested in going to something
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ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใฆใ‚‚ใ€ไฝ•ใ‹ใซ่กŒใใ“ใจใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ€ใพใŸใฏไฝ•ใ‹ใซ่กŒใไบˆๅฎšใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใฏ
15:08
or planning to go to something, you can say,
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15:12
"Hey, on Friday right after work,
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15:15
"I'm going to a show that just opened that the museum.
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15:19
"Any chance you'd like to join me for that?"
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ใ€Œใใฎ ใŸใ‚ใซ็งใซๅ‚ๅŠ ใ—ใŸใ„ๆฉŸไผšใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸใ€
15:23
Because that gives the person a lot of space to say,
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ใใ‚Œใฏใใฎ ไบบใซใ€Œใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ„ใ‚„ใ€ใจใซใ‹ใใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€ใจ่จ€ใ†ใŸใ‚ใฎๅคšใใฎใ‚นใƒšใƒผใ‚นใ‚’ไธŽใˆใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰
15:26
"Oh no, I can't, thanks anyway."
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15:29
That's a little bit easier than saying,
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15:33
"Hey, can you and I do something sometime?
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15:36
"I have a plan, would you like to come with me on it?"
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15:39
It implies, "I'm going either way."
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15:41
It makes it more casual.
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15:42
- And it's also a really good point,
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15:44
if you find something that's happening locally
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15:47
that's really interesting,
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15:49
then that can be part of what's happening.
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15:52
I personally think a lot of Americans like doing things.
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15:56
And so the idea of just sitting down to a conversation
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15:59
with somebody with no purpose
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16:02
might seem a little bit strange,
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16:04
but if it's the idea of going
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16:05
and doing something interesting with someone
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16:08
that that might be more appealing.
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16:10
Invite them to, like you said, a museum opening,
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16:13
or a concert, or in Philadelphia,
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16:15
there's all sorts of interesting events going on
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16:17
in the summer outside, this kind of thing.
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So that could also be a great way to
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16:23
make that first ask of somebody,
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16:26
taking them from a co-worker to hanging out once could be,
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16:32
invite them into your own culture in some way,
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16:34
or invite them to go do something really cool
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16:37
within the city or the place where you live.
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16:42
So to wrap this up, making friends in America can be hard,
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16:46
and one thing we didn't get to is that for both you and me,
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16:51
after college, we've had a hard time making friends,
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16:55
like where do you meet people?
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16:57
And this is something I've discussed with other friends too
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16:59
when they move somewhere new.
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17:01
So if you're a non-native speaker living in the US
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17:05
and you're feeling this, you're not alone.
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17:07
I also feel that it's hard to make friends.
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17:10
But a couple of ways to try to do that,
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17:13
find places where you'll be seeing the same people
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17:15
more than once in a structured environment.
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17:18
And say yes if you get asked to do something,
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17:22
try to be outgoing,
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17:26
and maybe even be the person to make the ask.
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17:30
And this is something that we've talked about,
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17:32
as I said, in the podcast and I thought,
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17:36
I mean, that's been really well received,
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17:38
I think that's been really helpful for people,
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17:39
so you don't have to go anywhere to find that,
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17:42
I don't want to make you click,
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17:43
we're gonna play it right now.
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17:45
Keep in mind it's just audio, but we'll play it here,
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้Ÿณๅฃฐ ใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใŒใ€ใ“ใ“ใงๅ†็”Ÿใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
17:49
and if you want a transcript of that podcast,
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ใใฎใƒใƒƒใƒ‰ใ‚ญใƒฃใ‚นใƒˆใฎใƒˆใƒฉใƒณใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒชใƒ—ใƒˆใŒๅฟ…่ฆใชๅ ดๅˆใฏใ€ใƒใƒƒใƒ‰ใ‚ญใƒฃใ‚นใƒˆใฎใƒˆใƒฉใƒณใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒชใƒ—ใƒˆใฏ
17:53
all of the transcripts from my podcasts are free
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17:56
and I'll put the link on the screen
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17:58
and also in the video description,
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18:00
or you can go download a free transcript of the podcast.
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18:05
So do you have any other words or ideas of advice for people
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18:11
who were not born in America, living in America,
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18:14
trying to connect with Americans?
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18:16
- Yeah well, no I think, as you were talking, it just,
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-ใˆใˆใ€ใ„ใ‚„ใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใกใ‚‡ใ†ใฉใ€
18:19
it brought up for me how much Americans
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18:21
are looking for connection too.
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18:23
It might feel one-sided, like,
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18:25
"Ah, I have to put myself out there,
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18:26
"and it's not my native language",
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18:28
but I think as you practice that
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18:31
and maybe get shot down a couple times, who cares?
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18:34
I think you'll find that a lot of Americans
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18:37
are really seeking that kind of more real connection too.
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ใŒๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใใฎใ‚ˆใ† ใชใ‚ˆใ‚Š็พๅฎŸ็š„ใชใคใชใŒใ‚Šใ‚’ๆฑ‚ใ‚ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‹ใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
18:41
So just kind of trust that and go for it.
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18:43
- Yes, I think that's a great point,
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18:45
even though it might not seem like it,
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18:48
if you're willing to break the ice,
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18:50
I think you might find that there's a lot of willingness
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18:53
to connect and to be friends.
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18:56
- Okay, well David, thanks for joining me
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-ใ•ใฆใ€ใƒ‡ใƒ“ใƒƒใƒ‰
18:58
for this conversation about friendships in America.
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ใ€ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใงใฎๅ‹ๆƒ…ใซใคใ„ใฆ
19:01
That's it guys, thanks so much for using Rachel's English,
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19:05
and stay tuned to listen to that podcast.
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19:11
You are listening to the Rachel's English Podcast.
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ใƒฌใ‚คใƒใ‚งใƒซใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžใƒใƒƒใƒ‰ใ‚ญใƒฃใ‚นใƒˆใ‚’ใŠ่ดใ
19:13
I'm so glad to have you here.
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19:15
In this podcast, we discuss topics in American conversation,
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ใ€‚ใ“ใฎใƒใƒƒใƒ‰ใ‚ญใƒฃใ‚นใƒˆใงใฏ ใ€ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใฎไผš่ฉฑใ€
19:19
pronunciation and culture.
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็™บ้Ÿณใ€ๆ–‡ๅŒ–ใซ้–ขใ™ใ‚‹ใƒˆใƒ”ใƒƒใ‚ฏใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ๅˆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ€‚
19:22
And today's episode focuses on culture.
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19:26
If you would like a free transcript for this podcast,
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ใฎ็„กๆ–™ใฎใƒˆใƒฉใƒณใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒชใƒ—ใƒˆใŒๅฟ…่ฆใชๅ ดๅˆใฏ ใ€
19:30
just visit RachelsEnglish.com/podcast
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Rใซใ‚ขใ‚ฏใ‚ปใ‚นใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ achelsEnglish.com/podcast
19:33
and look for this episode.
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19:35
Today, I'm here with my husband David.
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ไปŠๆ—ฅใ€็งใฏๅคซใฎใƒ‡ใ‚คใƒ“ใƒƒใƒ‰ใจไธ€็ท’ใซใ“ใ“ใซใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
19:36
Hey, David.
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ใญใˆใ€ใƒ‡ใƒ“ใƒƒใƒ‰ใ€‚
19:37
- Hey, everybody.
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-ใญใˆใ€ใฟใ‚“ใชใ€‚
19:38
- And we're going to talk about
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-ใใ—ใฆ
19:39
friendships in America.
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19:41
David, you have lots of friends.
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19:43
- I do.
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- ใใ†ใงใ™ใ€‚
19:44
- So I think you're probably gonna have
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-ใใ‚Œใง
19:45
a lot to add to this one.
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19:47
- All right.
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- ใ‚ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
19:48
- So I went to,
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19:49
the thing that made me think about this podcast
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19:52
is two different emails that I got.
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19:55
Actually, one was a comment on YouTube.
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19:58
And this person whose username is Management Courses said,
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20:02
"You're so lucky to have friends who are supportive,
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20:05
"both males and females."
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20:07
David, this was on a video that I made with Dave at
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ใƒ‡ใƒ“ใƒƒใƒ‰ใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ
20:10
the 4th of July when we were in Clark Park
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็งใŒ7ๆœˆ4ๆ—ฅใซใƒ‡ใ‚คใƒ–ใจไธ€็ท’ใซไฝœใฃใŸใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใงใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใ‚ฏใƒฉใƒผใ‚ฏใƒ‘ใƒผใ‚ฏ
20:13
talking about 4th of July traditions.
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20:15
- Right, okay. - Do you remember that video?
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20:16
- Yeah, I do.
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-ใˆใˆใ€ใใ†ใงใ™
20:17
- I'll link to that video
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20:18
in the show notes, everybody,
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20:20
but it was me with a friend, who's a man,
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20:22
discussing what we like to do on the 4th of July.
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็งใŸใกใŒไฝ•ใ‚’ใ—ใŸใ„ใฎใ‹ใ‚’่ฉฑใ—ๅˆใ†็”ทๆ€ง ใงใ™ใ€‚
20:25
So this person says, "Can you make a video
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20:27
"on how to build more supportive friendships?
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ใ€Œใ‚ˆใ‚Šๅ”ๅŠ›็š„ใชๅ‹ๆƒ…ใ‚’็ฏ‰ใๆ–นๆณ•ใซใคใ„ใฆใฎใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ช
20:30
"What do you do to be a better friend?
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20:32
"In my culture, after marriage,
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20:34
"the wife's friendships suffer,
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20:37
"and you can't keep close friendships with the opposite sex.
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ใพใ™ใ€ใใ—ใฆใ‚ใชใŸใฏ็•ฐๆ€งใจใฎ่ฆชๅฏ†ใชๅ‹ๆƒ…ใ‚’ไฟใคใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
20:41
"I had the misconception that Americans
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20:43
don't value friendship,
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20:44
"or their friendships are not long-lasting, or shallow.
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20:48
"Your videos showed me the opposite."
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20:50
So that's great, I'm so glad that my videos showed
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20:52
that Americans do value friendship,
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20:54
and that friendships are not just shallow or short-lived.
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20:59
- Absolutely.
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21:00
- But so, let's try to talk
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ใ‚‚ใ†ใ‚Œใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚ ใ€
21:02
a little bit about friendships.
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21:04
Let's focus in on some of the specific questions.
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21:07
How to build more supportive friendships?
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21:10
Now part of what's so great about having David
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21:14
on this podcast is not only does he have a ton of friends,
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21:17
but he's also a therapist,
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21:19
and so he talks to a lot of other people
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21:21
about their friendships and their relationships in general,
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21:25
and has a lot of things to say about
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21:28
this kind of thing, I think.
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21:29
David, what would you say makes a better friend?
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21:34
Makes someone a good friend?
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่ชฐใ‹ใ‚’่‰ฏใ„ๅ‹้”ใซใ™ใ‚‹๏ผŸ
21:36
- Sure.
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-ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€‚
21:38
First of all I guess while I'm thinking of it,
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21:40
I think part of what's interesting is that
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21:43
from a non-native speaker's perspective
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21:45
or someone who's new to American culture,
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21:48
I think because of advertising and sort of
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21:52
just the way things look from the outside,
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21:57
I think it's easy to assume that for all of us really
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22:02
that for other people, making friends is really easy.
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22:05
I think it's something that we feel like
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22:08
we should be able to do,
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22:11
well, everybody else is out there having a good time,
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22:13
look at everybody on TV, when in reality,
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22:16
I think the opposite is true,
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22:18
I think the majority of people are either
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22:22
wishing they had more friendships
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22:24
or wishing that things about the friendships
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22:27
that they do have might be a little bit different,
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22:30
like they often wish that they were more close
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22:33
with more people.
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22:35
So I think that's the first thing that popped in my mind
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ๆœ€ๅˆ ใซ้ ญใซๆตฎใ‹ใ‚“ใ ใฎ
22:36
is that a lot of people,
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ใฏใ€ๅคšใใฎไบบใ€
22:40
non-native speakers and native speakers alike
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้žใƒใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ซใƒผใ€ ใƒใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ซใƒผใŒๅŒใ˜ใ‚ˆใ†
22:43
struggle with this, even though I don't think,
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ใซใ“ใ‚Œใซ่‹ฆๅŠด ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
22:45
I mean, I really appreciate the courage in the question
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22:47
because I don't think a lot of people bring this up.
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ๅคšใใฎไบบใŒใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’ๆŒใกๅ‡บใ™ใจใฏๆ€ใ‚ใชใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰ ใงใ™ใ€‚
22:50
- Yeah, it's a good point.
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-ใˆใˆใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ่‰ฏใ„็‚นใงใ™ใ€‚
22:52
I mean as I'm sitting here listening to you talk about this
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็งใฏใ“ใ“ใซๅบงใฃ ใฆใ‚ใชใŸใŒใ“ใ‚Œใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ™ใฎใ‚’่žใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹
22:55
I'm thinking I could definitely say that this is true
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ใฎใงใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ
22:59
of me living in Philadelphia.
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ใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒฉใƒ‡ใƒซใƒ•ใ‚ฃใ‚ขใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹็งใซใ‚‚ๅฝ“ใฆใฏใพใ‚‹ใจๆ–ญ่จ€ใงใใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
23:01
I've been here for three years now
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็งใฏใ“ใ“ใซๆฅใฆ3ๅนดใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™
23:03
and I'm definitely starting to make some friends
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ใ€‚็ขบใ‹ใซๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่ณชใฎ้ซ˜ใ„ๅ‹ๆƒ…ใฎใ‚ˆใ† ใชๅ‹้”ใ‚’ไฝœใ‚Šๅง‹ใ‚ใฆ
23:06
that feel like really, really quality friendships,
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23:10
but I can't say that I've made any of those by myself.
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ใ„ใพใ™ใŒ ใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใงไฝœใฃใŸใจใฏ่จ€ใˆใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
23:15
They're all friends that I made through David,
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ็š†ใ€ ็งใŒใƒ‡ใƒ“ใƒƒใƒ‰ใ‚’้€šใ—ใฆไฝœใฃใŸๅ‹้”ใงใ‚ใ‚Š
23:18
that David already had established
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ใ€ใƒ‡ใƒ“ใƒƒใƒ‰ใฏใ™ใงใซ
23:20
some sort of a relationship with,
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ไฝ•ใ‚‰ใ‹ใฎ้–ขไฟ‚ใ‚’็ฏ‰ใ„ใฆใ„ใฆใ€
23:22
like I haven't met somebody that I have turned
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็งใŒ
23:25
into a friend, really, on my own.
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ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่‡ชๅˆ†ใงๅ‹้”ใซใชใฃใŸ่ชฐใ‹ใซไผšใฃใŸใ“ใจใŒใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ†ใงใ™ใ€‚
23:28
- You've been connected to some friends of friends.
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-ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ ๅ‹้”ใฎๅ‹้”ใจใคใชใŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
23:30
- Yeah. - Also.
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- ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚ - ใพใŸใ€‚
23:32
- I mean, that's always the end, right?
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-ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ ๅธธใซ็ต‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใงใ™ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ
23:35
When you move somewhere new, you look for connections
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆ–ฐใ—ใ„ๅ ดๆ‰€ใซๅผ•ใฃ่ถŠใ™ใจใใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸ
23:38
you have to people that are there already,
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ใฏใ™ใงใซใใ“ใซใ„ใ‚‹ไบบใ€…ใจใฎใคใชใŒใ‚Šใ‚’ๆŽขใ—
23:40
but as far as if you were moving to America to go to school
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ใพใ™ใŒใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ ๅญฆๆ กใซ่กŒใ
23:45
or for a job or something where you didn't already have
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ใŸใ‚ใซใ€ใพใŸใฏไป•ไบ‹ใฎใŸใ‚ใซใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใซๅผ•ใฃ่ถŠใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใ€ใพใŸใฏ ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใพใ 
23:49
anyone established in that town or in that city,
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่ชฐใ‚‚็ขบ็ซ‹ใ— ใฆใ„ใชใ„ไฝ•ใ‹ใฎใŸใ‚ใซ ็”บใ‚„ใใฎ้ƒฝๅธ‚ใงใฏใ€
23:53
that would make it really hard to know where to start.
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ใฉใ“ใ‹ใ‚‰ๅง‹ใ‚ใ‚Œใฐใ‚ˆใ„ใ‹ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚‰ใชใใชใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
23:55
And I think for me, I could definitely say as an adult
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใซใจใฃใฆใฏใ€
24:00
three years into that experience,
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ใใฎ็ตŒ้จ“ใ‹ใ‚‰3ๅนดๅพŒใฎๅคงไบบใจใ—ใฆใ€
24:02
I don't really have people that I have met
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็งใฏใ™ใงใซ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไบบไปฅๅค–ใฎๆ–นๆณ•ใง็ดนไป‹ใ•ใ‚ŒใŸใฎใงใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใซไผšใฃใŸไบบใฏใ„ใชใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
24:05
because I have been introduced to them in a way other than
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24:09
through someone I already knew.
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24:12
- Yeah, I follow.
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-ใˆใˆใ€็งใฏ็ถšใใพใ™ใ€‚
24:13
Right, it's not easy.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ็ฐกๅ˜ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
24:15
- No, it's really but.
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-ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€ใใ‚Œใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใงใ™ใŒใ€‚
24:16
But having said that, we do have good friends here
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใใ†ใฏ่จ€ใฃใฆใ‚‚ใ€ ใ“ใ“ใซใฏ่‰ฏใ„ๅ‹้”
24:20
and it is true that Americans do value friendship,
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24:23
even though probably a lot of people
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ใŒใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ใŠใใ‚‰ใๅคšใใฎไบบ
24:25
might like to have more friends
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ใŒ่‡ชๅˆ†ใ‚ˆใ‚Šใ‚‚ๅคšใใฎๅ‹้”
24:27
or more closer friendships than they have.
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ใ‚„่ฆชๅฏ†ใชๅ‹ๆƒ…ใ‚’ๆœ›ใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใ€ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซไบบใฏๅ‹ๆƒ…ใ‚’ๅคงๅˆ‡ใซใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใฏไบ‹ๅฎŸใงใ™ใ€‚
24:29
- Yeah, I think to answer that part of her question,
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-ใˆใˆใ€็ง ใฏๅฝผๅฅณใฎ่ณชๅ•ใฎใใฎ้ƒจๅˆ†ใซ็ญ”ใˆใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€
24:32
absolutely I think Americans very much value friendships.
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็ตถๅฏพใซ็งใฏใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซไบบใŒๅ‹ๆƒ…ใ‚’้žๅธธใซๅคงๅˆ‡ใซใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
24:36
Of course, it looks different in in all cultures,
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ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€ ๆ–‡ๅŒ–ใซใ‚ˆใฃใฆ่ฆ‹ใŸ็›ฎใฏ้•ใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€
24:40
but I think also something,
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24:45
and the comment is also true that it can,
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ๅ ดๅˆใฏ้›ฃใ—ใ„ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ใจใ„ใ†ใ‚ณใƒกใƒณใƒˆใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™
24:49
it can be difficult when it is across gender.
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24:54
I mean, yes, your video with Dave at the park,
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใ€ๅ…ฌๅœ’ใงใฎใƒ‡ใ‚คใƒ–ใจใฎใ‚ใชใŸใฎใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ช
24:57
it's a great video and you guys are good friends
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ใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸใŸใกใฏ่‰ฏใ„ๅ‹้”ใง
24:59
and it is not a big deal at all,
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ใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ใใ‚ŒใฏใพใฃใŸใๅคงใ—ใŸใ“ใจใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒ้–ขไฟ‚ใซ็ทŠๅผตใ‚’ๅผ•ใ่ตทใ“ใ™ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ‚ใ‚‹
25:01
but I also think it's not uncommon for that to be
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ใ“ใจใ‚‚็ใ—ใใชใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
25:05
something that causes tension in relationships--
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25:08
- And complication, yeah, I thought it--
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---ใใ—ใฆๅˆไฝต็—‡ใ€ ใˆใˆใ€็งใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’่€ƒใˆใพใ—ใŸ
25:11
- Not really complication, but tension.
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---ๅฎŸ้š›ใซใฏ ๅˆไฝต็—‡ใงใฏใชใใ€็ทŠๅผตใ€‚
25:15
There's a temptation to be distrustful of your partner.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใƒ‘ใƒผใƒˆใƒŠใƒผใซไธไฟกๆ„Ÿใ‚’ๆŠฑใใŸใ„ใจใ„ใ†่ช˜ๆƒ‘ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
25:19
- Yes, but I'm talking about for single people,
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-ใฏใ„ใ€ใงใ‚‚็งใฏ ็‹ฌ่บซ่€…ใฎใŸใ‚ใซ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใŒใ€
25:22
there's complication there.
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ใใ“ใซใฏ่ค‡้›‘ใชๅ•้กŒใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
25:24
I mean you're talking about if you're married,
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็งใฏใ‚ใชใŸใŒ็ตๅฉšใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใชใ‚‰ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๆ„ๅ‘ณใ—ใพใ™ ใ€
25:26
then like this person said, after marriage,
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ใใ—ใฆใ“ใฎไบบใŒ ่จ€ใฃใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€็ตๅฉšๅพŒ
25:30
then friendship suffers and you can't keep close friends,
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ใ€ๅ‹ๆƒ…ใฏ่‹ฆใ—ใฟใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ่ฆชใ—ใ„ๅ‹ไบบใ‚’ไฟใคใ“ใจใŒใงใใš
25:34
keep close friendship with the opposite sex.
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ใ€็•ฐๆ€งใจใฎ่ฆชๅฏ†ใชๅ‹ๆƒ…ใ‚’ไฟใกใพใ™ใ€‚
25:35
- Yeah, I was commenting on that part.
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-ใˆใˆใ€ ใใฎ้ƒจๅˆ†ใซใคใ„ใฆใ‚ณใƒกใƒณใƒˆใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
25:36
- Okay, so yes, you're right,
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-ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใ€
25:38
it can be complicated if David had,
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ใƒ‡ใƒ“ใƒƒใƒ‰ใŒใ„ใŸใจใ—ใŸใ‚‰่ค‡้›‘ใซใชใ‚‹ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใŒใ€
25:41
although you do have really close friends that are women,
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ๅฅณๆ€งใงใ‚ใ‚‹ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่ฆชใ—ใ„ๅ‹ไบบใŒใ„
25:43
and it's not weird for me, yeah,
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ใฆใ€็งใซใจใฃใฆใฏๅฅ‡ๅฆ™ใชใ“ใจใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
25:45
but I suppose it could be,
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25:46
depending on if one friendship just really
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ๅ‹ๆƒ…ใฏ
25:49
set out from the rest, stood out from the rest
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ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซไป–ใฎไบบใŸใกใ‹ใ‚‰ๅง‹ใพใ‚Šใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใซใจใฃใฆ้žๅธธใซ้‡่ฆใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ—ใฆ ไป–ใฎไบบใŸใกใ‹ใ‚‰้š›็ซ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ใใ‚Œ
25:51
as being just extra super important to you,
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25:55
that could be hard for me.
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ใฏ็งใซใจใฃใฆ้›ฃใ—ใ„ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
25:56
- Well, I'm not saying it should cause tension,
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-ใพใ‚ใ€็ทŠๅผตใ‚’ๅผ•ใ่ตทใ“ใ™ใจ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใฏใชใ
25:58
I think it should be the opposite.
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ใ€้€†ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ๅฅๅบทใงๅ…ƒๆฐ—ใงๅ…ƒๆฐ—
25:59
I think it should be,
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ใง
26:00
the assumption should be that it's healthy and good and fine
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ใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ๅ‰ๆใŒๅฟ…่ฆใ  ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
26:04
but I'm just, to her point,
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ใŒใ€็งใฏๅฝผๅฅณใฎๅ‡บ่บซๅœฐ
26:06
it's not just in the culture that she's coming from,
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ใ ใ‘ใงใชใ ใ€
26:08
but I think here also, people make undue tension
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ใ“ใ“ใงใ‚‚ ไบบใ€…ใŒ้Žๅบฆใฎ็ทŠๅผตใ‚’ๅผ•ใ่ตทใ“ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
26:14
out of that situation here as well.
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ใ“ใ“ใงใ‚‚ใใฎ็Šถๆณใ€‚
26:15
- Yet in America, it's definitely allowed.
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-ใใ‚Œใงใ‚‚ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใงใฏใ€ ใใ‚Œใฏ้–“้•ใ„ใชใ่จฑๅฏใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
26:18
It's definitely not strange to have friends
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ็ตๅฉšใ—ใŸๅพŒใ€็•ฐๆ€งใฎๅ‹้”ใŒใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใฏ้–“้•ใ„ใชใ ไธๆ€่ญฐใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“
26:20
of the opposite sex after you've become married.
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ใ€‚
26:22
And it sounds like she might be saying
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅฝผๅฅณใฏ
26:24
it's really frowned upon in her culture, but I do value,
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ใใ‚ŒใŒๅฝผๅฅณใฎๆ–‡ๅŒ–ใฎไธญใงๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ็œ‰ใ‚’ใฒใใ‚ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่žใ“ใˆ ใพใ™ใŒใ€็งใฏๅคงๅˆ‡
26:30
like we have a friend who was one of my friends,
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26:33
now you've become really close with her, Renee,
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26:35
and I love that you're so close with her
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ใซใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
26:38
because I love her too.
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็งใ‚‚ๅฝผๅฅณใ‚’ๆ„›ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ๅฝผๅฅณใจใจใฆใ‚‚่ฆชๅฏ†ใงใ™ใ€‚
26:40
But yeah, I think that can be really special.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใˆใˆใ€ใใ‚Œ ใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ็‰นๅˆฅใชใ“ใจใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
26:44
I do think when you're single
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ็‹ฌ่บซ
26:47
and you're friends with someone of the opposite sex
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ใงใ€็•ฐๆ€งใฎ่ชฐใ‹ใจ
26:51
who's also single, if that friendship gets really close,
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็‹ฌ่บซใฎๅ‹้”ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใใ€ใใฎ ๅ‹ๆƒ…ใŒๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่ฟ‘ใฅใใจใ€
26:54
it can start to be complicated,
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ใใ‚Œใฏ่ค‡้›‘ใซใชใ‚Šๅง‹ใ‚ใ‚‹
26:57
people might be asking you a lot
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ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ไบบใ€…ใฏ
26:59
if there's something going on,
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ไฝ•ใ‹ใŒ่ตทใ“ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹ใ‚ใชใŸใซใŸใใ•ใ‚“ๅฐ‹ใญใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€
27:00
and I just know from personal experience that,
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ๅ€‹ไบบ็š„ใช็ตŒ้จ“ใ‹ใ‚‰
27:04
at one point, at some point,
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ใ€ใ‚ใ‚‹ๆ™‚็‚นใง
27:06
you may need to have a conversation like,
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ใ€
27:08
"Are we just friends, or are we more than friends?"
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ใ€Œ็งใŸใกใฏใŸใ ใฎๅ‹้”ใชใฎใ‹ใ€ใใ‚Œใจใ‚‚ ๅ‹้”ไปฅไธŠใฎใ‚‚ใฎใชใฎใ‹ใ€ใจใ„ใ†ใ‚ˆใ†ใชไผš่ฉฑใŒๅฟ…่ฆใซใชใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ใ“ใจใ‚’็งใฏ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
27:11
- Yeah, I see where you're going with this.
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-ใˆใˆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใ“ใ‚Œใงใฉใ“ใซ ่กŒใใฎใ‹ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
27:13
Yeah, that's over more into what's romantic and what's not.
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ใˆใˆใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ ใƒญใƒžใƒณใƒใƒƒใ‚ฏใชใ‚‚ใฎใจใใ†ใงใชใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใซใคใ„ใฆใฎ่ฉณ็ดฐใงใ™ใ€‚
27:17
- Actually, there was a Seinfeld episode,
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-ๅฎŸ้š›ใ€ ใ‚ตใ‚คใƒณใƒ•ใ‚งใƒซใƒ‰ใฎใ‚จใƒ”ใ‚ฝใƒผใƒ‰ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€
27:19
do you remember, David, where they were talking about
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่ฆšใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹ใ€ใƒ‡ใƒ“ใƒƒใƒ‰ใ€ ใใ“ใงๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ
27:22
can men and women be friends?
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็”ทๆ€งใจๅฅณๆ€งใŒๅ‹้”ใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใจ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ‹๏ผŸ
27:25
- And I think it was Seinfeld was saying,
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-ใใ—ใฆ ใ€ใ‚ตใ‚คใƒณใƒ•ใ‚งใƒซใƒ‰ใŒ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใŸใฎใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€
27:28
no, they can't be, they can't be real friends.
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ใ„ใ‚„ใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใใ†ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ ใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใฎๅ‹้”ใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
27:31
They can't be friends where there's not any thought
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ
27:34
of romantic or physical attraction happening.
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ใ€ใƒญใƒžใƒณใƒใƒƒใ‚ฏใชใ€ใพใŸใฏ่‚‰ไฝ“็š„ใช ้ญ…ๅŠ›ใŒ่ตทใ“ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†่€ƒใˆใŒใชใ„ใจใ“ใ‚ใงๅ‹้”ใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
27:39
- Okay. - That was Seinfeld's take.
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- ใ‚ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚ -ใใ‚ŒใŒใ‚ตใ‚คใƒณใƒ•ใ‚งใƒซใƒ‰ใฎ่ฆ‹่งฃใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
27:42
I would disagree, I think you can have a friendship
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็งใฏๅŒๆ„ใ—ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€็งใฏ ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๅฎŒๅ…จใซใƒญใƒžใƒณใƒใƒƒใ‚ฏใง่‚‰ไฝ“ใฎๅค–ใซๅญ˜ๅœจใ™ใ‚‹ๅ‹ๆƒ…ใ‚’ๆŒใคใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
27:44
that exists totally outside of the romantic
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27:47
and the physical.
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ใ€‚
27:48
- I agree.
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- ๅŒๆ„ใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
27:49
- Okay, but let's go back to the question
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-ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ใงใ‚‚ใ€
27:53
how to build more supportive friendships?
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ใ‚‚ใฃใจๅ”ๅŠ›็š„ใชๅ‹ๆƒ…ใ‚’็ฏ‰ใๆ–นๆณ•ใซใคใ„ใฆใฎ่ณชๅ•ใซๆˆปใ‚Šใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚ ใใ‚‚ใใ‚‚ๅ‹้”ใซใชใ‚Š
27:56
I mean I guess I would say, if it's an issue of
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28:00
finding the people who you want to be friends with
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ใŸใ„ไบบใ‚’ๆŽขใ™ใฎใŒๅ•้กŒ
28:02
in the first place, I mean,
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ใ 
28:03
I know that this has been an issue for me,
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ใจใ—ใŸใ‚‰ใ€ใ“ใ‚ŒใŒ็งใซใจใฃใฆใฎๅ•้กŒใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€
28:05
how do I meet people?
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ใฉใ†ใ‚„ใฃใฆไบบใซไผšใ†ใฎใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
28:08
When I think back on times when it was easy to meet people,
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ไบบใซไผšใ„ใ‚„ใ™ใ‹ใฃใŸๆ™‚ไปฃใ‚’ๆŒฏใ‚Š่ฟ”ใ‚‹ใจใ€
28:10
it's like college, where there was this set place and time
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ๅคงๅญฆใฎใ‚ˆใ†
28:14
where you were seeing people on a regular basis.
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ใซใ€ๅฎšๆœŸ็š„ใซไบบใซไผšใ†ๅ ดๆ‰€ใจๆ™‚้–“ใŒๆฑบใพใฃใฆใ„ใŸใ€‚ ไป•ไบ‹ไปฅๅค–ใงๅญฆๆ กใซ้€šใฃใฆใ„ใชใ„ๅคงไบบ
28:16
How do you recreate that as an adult no longer in school
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ใจใ—ใฆใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚’ใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๅ†็พใ—ใพใ™
28:21
outside of work?
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ใ‹๏ผŸ
28:23
I mean, you could take a class.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใ‚ฏใƒฉใ‚นใ‚’ๅ—่ฌ›ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
28:24
That's always a popular thing, take a class,
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ„ใคใ‚‚ไบบๆฐ—ใฎใ‚ใ‚‹ ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚ใ‚ฏใƒฉใ‚นใ‚’ๅ—่ฌ›ใ—
28:28
something where you're gonna be seeing
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28:29
the same people over and over
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28:30
that you have a common interest with.
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ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ๅ…ฑ้€šใฎ้–ขๅฟƒใ‚’ๆŒใคๅŒใ˜ไบบใ€…ใซไฝ•ๅบฆใ‚‚ไผšใ†ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
28:32
-I think one of the things
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-็งใŒไบบใ€…ใซๆๆกˆใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฎ1ใคใฏใ€
28:35
that I suggest to people is
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28:38
spend some time thinking about
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28:39
what are you most interested in,
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆœ€ใ‚‚่ˆˆๅ‘ณใ‚’ๆŒใฃ
28:41
what are you most passionate about,
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ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆœ€ใ‚‚ๆƒ…็†ฑใ‚’
28:44
what brings out the best side of you,
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ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๆœ€่‰ฏใฎๅด้ขใ€
28:46
your curious engaged self?
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๅฅฝๅฅ‡ๅฟƒๆ—บ็››ใชๅฉš็ด„่€…ใฎ่‡ชๅทฑใ‚’ๅผ•ใๅ‡บใ™ใ‚‚ใฎใซใคใ„ใฆ่€ƒใˆใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’่ฒปใ‚„ใ™ใ“ใจใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
28:48
And then go find that out in the world somewhere
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ใใ—ใฆใ€
28:51
where there are gonna be other people
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28:53
who are also interested in that.
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ใใ‚Œใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไป–ใฎไบบใ€…ใŒใ„ใ‚‹ไธ–็•Œใฎใฉใ“ใ‹ใงใใ‚Œใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใซ่กŒใใพใ™ใ€‚
28:54
So in other words, sometimes people think they should
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€
28:58
take up a whole new interest in a class,
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29:03
like I've never drawn before,
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็งใŒใ“ใ‚Œใพใงๆใ„ใŸใ“ใจใŒใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ใ‚ฏใƒฉใ‚นใซใพใฃใŸใๆ–ฐใ—ใ„่ˆˆๅ‘ณใ‚’ๆŒใฃ
29:04
so there's this part of my brain that goes
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ใฆใ‚‚ใ‚‰ใ†ในใใ ใจ่€ƒใˆใ‚‹ไบบใ‚‚ใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€่„ณใฎใ“ใฎ้ƒจๅˆ†ใง
29:06
I should go take a drawing class.
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็ตตใ‚’ๆใใ‚ฏใƒฉใ‚นใซๅ‚ๅŠ ใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
29:08
Well actually, maybe it's not the best idea.
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ๅฎŸใฏใ€ ใใ‚Œใฏๆœ€ๅ–„ใฎใ‚ขใ‚คใƒ‡ใ‚ขใงใฏใชใ„ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
29:10
Go find something that you know is gonna have you
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29:13
really, really energized and curious
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29:17
because I think then you're gonna be
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29:20
meeting other people who are passionate about what you are,
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒไฝ•ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใซใคใ„ใฆๆƒ…็†ฑใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไป–ใฎไบบใ€…ใซไผšใ†ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ†ใฎใงใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ€ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅ…ƒๆฐ—
29:23
and it can make an easy bridge into
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ใซใชใ‚Šใ€ๅฅฝๅฅ‡ๅฟƒใ‚’ใใใ‚‰ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใซ่กŒใใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†
29:25
some opening conversations.
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29:27
- That's a good idea, a good point,
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-ใใ‚Œใฏ ่‰ฏใ„่€ƒใˆใงใ™ใ€่‰ฏใ„็‚นใงใ™ใ€
29:28
go with something you know you love already.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใ™ใงใซๆ„›ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไฝ•ใ‹ใจไธ€็ท’ใซ่กŒใ ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
29:31
Another thing is I have a friend, Cara,
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ใ‚‚ใ†ไธ€ใคใฏใ€ไบบใจๅ‡บไผšใ†ใ ใ‘ใฎๆ€งๆ ผใฎๅ‹้”ใ€ใ‚ญใƒฃใƒฉใŒใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™
29:33
who just has the personality for meeting people.
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ใ€‚
29:36
She'll be on the subway and strike up a conversation.
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ๅฝผๅฅณใฏๅœฐไธ‹้‰„ใซ ไน—ใฃใฆไผš่ฉฑใ‚’ๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ™ใ€‚
29:39
She'll be checking out at a grocery store
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ๅฝผๅฅณใฏ้ฃŸๆ–™ๅ“ๅบ—
29:41
and she'll make friends with people in line
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ใง
29:45
waiting to check out as well.
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ใƒใ‚งใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚ขใ‚ฆใƒˆใ—ใ€ใพใŸใƒใ‚งใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚ขใ‚ฆใƒˆใ‚’ๅพ…ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅˆ—ใซไธฆใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ไบบใ€…ใจๅ‹้”ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
29:46
And that's not my personality, but I mean,
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็งใฎๆ€งๆ ผใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€ใคใพใ‚Šใ€
29:49
there's definitely something to be said for being outgoing
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29:52
and just saying, "Oh hey, isn't this funny how",
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ๅค–ๅ‘็š„ใงใ€ใ€Œใ‚ใ‚ใ€ ใ“ใ‚ŒใฏใŠใ‹ใ—ใชใ“ใจใงใฏใชใ„ใ€ใจ่จ€ใฃ
29:56
whatever, starting a conversation.
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ใฆไผš่ฉฑใ‚’ๅง‹ใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใซใฏใ€้–“้•ใ„ใชใ่จ€ใ†ในใใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
29:58
- Right, the temptation is to think,
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-ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ ่ช˜ๆƒ‘ใฏ
30:01
well, I need to make some friends,
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ใ€ๅ‹้”ใ‚’ไฝœใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
30:03
I have to go find some big, deep, meaningful friendships,
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ๅคงใใใฆใ€ๆทฑใใ€ๆ„ๅ‘ณใฎใ‚ใ‚‹ๅ‹ๆƒ…ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใซ่กŒใ‹ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
30:06
when in reality the only way to do that
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ๅฎŸ้š›ใซใฏใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚’่กŒใ†ๅ”ฏไธ€ใฎๆ–นๆณ•
30:08
is to be always aware that you're sort of
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ใฏใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใ‚ฝใƒผใƒˆใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๅธธใซ่ช่ญ˜ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
30:12
currently looking for friends and to strike up conversations
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30:15
'cause we don't know who's gonna actually be someone
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰
30:19
that we have a good connection with
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ใ€็งใŸใกใŒ
30:21
unless we actually are out there,
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ๅฎŸ้š›ใซใใ“ใซใ„
30:23
talking to lots of different people.
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ใฆใ€ๅคšใใฎ็•ฐใชใ‚‹ไบบใ€…ใจ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใชใ„้™ใ‚Šใ€่ชฐใŒๅฎŸ้š›ใซ็งใŸใกใจ่‰ฏใ„ใคใชใŒใ‚Šใ‚’ๆŒใคไบบใซใชใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
30:25
- Yeah, start small.
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-ใˆใˆใ€ๅฐใ•ใๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ™ใ€‚
30:27
And I think in the US,
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็ฑณๅ›ฝ
30:28
it is very appropriate to strike up conversations.
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ใงใฏใ€ไผš่ฉฑใ‚’ๅง‹ใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใŒ้žๅธธใซ ้ฉๅˆ‡ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
30:31
Strike up means to start,
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ใ‚นใƒˆใƒฉใ‚คใ‚ญใ‚ขใƒƒใƒ—ใจใฏใ€้–‹ๅง‹ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’
30:34
and they can be sort of out of the blue.
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ๆ„ๅ‘ณใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
30:35
Now we recently recorded a podcast where I was talking about
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ใ•ใฆใ€ๆœ€่ฟ‘ใ€ใƒใƒƒใƒ‰ใ‚ญใƒฃใ‚นใƒˆใ‚’้Œฒ้Ÿณใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใƒใƒƒใƒ‰ใ‚ญใƒฃใ‚นใƒˆใงใฏใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒ
30:39
how that's my pet peeve.
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็งใฎใƒšใƒƒใƒˆใฎใžใ่ฆ‹ใงใ™ใ€‚
30:42
As an introvert,
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30:42
I just don't like having these kinds of conversations,
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ๅ†…ๅ‘็š„ใงใ‚ใ‚‹
็งใฏใ€ใ“ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชไผš่ฉฑใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใฏๅฅฝใใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Š
30:45
but don't let that stop you.
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ใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€ใใ‚Œใงใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’ๆญขใ‚ใ•ใ›ใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
30:48
If you're an extrovert where you're trying to make friends,
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ ๅ‹้”ใ‚’ไฝœใ‚ใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅค–ๅ‘ๆ€งใฎไบบ
30:51
just go ahead and start up conversations with people.
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ใชใ‚‰ใ€ๅ…ˆใซ้€ฒใ‚“ ใงไบบใ€…ใจใฎไผš่ฉฑใ‚’ๅง‹ใ‚ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
30:54
You can comment on anything,
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30:56
something that's happening around you, or,
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎๅ‘จใ‚Šใง่ตทใ“ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚„ใ€
30:59
"Man, it's so hot today, isn't it?"
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ใ€ŒไปŠๆ—ฅใฏใจใฆใ‚‚ๆš‘ใ„ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใญใ€ใจใ‚ณใƒกใƒณใƒˆใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
31:01
Or something like that.
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31:01
Or you could say to someone, "Oh, I love your jacket."
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ใพใŸใฏใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ€‚
ใพใŸใฏใ€่ชฐใ‹ใซ ใ€Œใ‚ใ‚ใ€็งใฏใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ‚ธใƒฃใ‚ฑใƒƒใƒˆใŒๅคงๅฅฝใใงใ™ใ€ใจ่จ€ใ†ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
31:05
Compliment them in some way,
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ไฝ•ใ‚‰ใ‹ใฎๅฝขใงๅฝผใ‚‰ใ‚’่ค’ใ‚
31:08
engage them in conversation.
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ใ€ไผš่ฉฑใซๅ‚ๅŠ ใ•ใ›ใพใ™ใ€‚
31:11
Yeah and just, for me,
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ใˆใˆใ€ใใ—ใฆ็งใซใจใฃใฆ
31:14
that would really be pushing myself,
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ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใ‚’ใƒ—ใƒƒใ‚ทใƒฅใ™ใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†
31:16
but for some people, it's not.
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ใŒใ€ไธ€้ƒจใฎไบบใ€…ใซใจใฃใฆใฏใใ†ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
31:17
But okay, so we've talked about ways
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ใงใ‚‚ๅคงไธˆๅคซใ€ใใ‚Œใง็งใŸใกใฏ
31:20
where you can try to start friendships.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๅ‹ๆƒ…ใ‚’ๅง‹ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’่ฉฆใฟใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ๆ–นๆณ•ใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
31:22
And we've established that we think Americans are
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ ็งใŸใกใฏใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซไบบใŒๅฝผใ‚‰ใจ
31:25
open to people striking up conversation with them.
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ไผš่ฉฑใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ไบบใ€…ใซใ‚ชใƒผใƒ—ใƒณใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใจ็งใŸใกใŒ่€ƒใˆใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’็ขบ็ซ‹ ใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
31:29
- Yeah, for the most part.
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-ใˆใˆใ€ใปใจใ‚“ใฉใฎๅ ดๅˆใ€‚
31:30
I mean I think also, for better or for worse,
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็งใฏใพใŸ ใ€่‰ฏใใ‚‚ๆ‚ชใใ‚‚ใ€ๅ†…ๅ‘็š„ใงใ‚ใ‚‹
31:32
for people like yourself who are an introvert,
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชไบบใ€…ใซใจใฃใฆ
31:35
it's also very appropriate in this country to,
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ใ€ใ“ใฎๅ›ฝใงใฏใ€
31:38
the phrase is to blow people off,
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ไบบใ€…ใ‚’ๅนใ้ฃ›ใฐใ™ใ€
31:41
or to be just pretty disinterested
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ใพใŸใฏ
31:44
if someone tries to strike up a conversation with you.
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่ชฐใ‹ใŒใ‚นใƒˆใƒฉใ‚คใ‚ญใ‚’ใ—ใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ—ใŸๅ ดๅˆใซใ‹ใชใ‚Š็„ก้–ขๅฟƒใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚‚้žๅธธใซ้ฉๅˆ‡ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ ใพใ™ ใ‚ใชใŸใจใฎไผš่ฉฑใ€‚
31:46
So you have to kind of know that half
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใใฎๅŠๅˆ†
31:50
or maybe even more than that,
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ใพใŸใฏใใ‚ŒไปฅไธŠใฎใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃ
31:52
that the conversations that you try to strike up with people
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ใฆใŠใๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
31:54
people are gonna be kind of disinterested,
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ไบบใ€…ใจ่ฉฑใ—ๅˆใ†ไผš่ฉฑใฏใ€็„ก้–ขๅฟƒใงใ€
31:56
maybe not make eye contact with you,
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ใ‚ขใ‚คใ‚ณใƒณใ‚ฟใ‚ฏใƒˆใ‚’ใจใ‚‰ใชใ„ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใŒใ‚ใ‚Š
31:59
and quickly wrap up the conversation.
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ใ€ใ™ใใซไผš่ฉฑใ‚’็ท ใ‚ใใใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
32:01
And that's totally appropriate socially as well.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ ็คพไผš็š„ใซใ‚‚ๅฎŒๅ…จใซ้ฉๅˆ‡ใงใ™ใ€‚
32:04
That's called giving a subtle social cue that,
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ใใ‚Œ ใฏใ€
32:08
"Actually, I don't really want to talk right now,
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ใ€ŒๅฎŸ้š›ใ€ไปŠใฏ่ฉฑใ—ใŸใใชใ„ใ€ใจใ„ใ†ๅพฎๅฆ™ใช็คพไผš็š„ๅˆๅ›ณใ‚’ไธŽใˆใ‚‹ใ“ใจใจๅ‘ผใฐ
32:11
"thanks but no thanks on your offer of a conversation."
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ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚ใ€Œใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€ใงใ‚‚ไผš่ฉฑใฎ็”ณใ—ๅ‡บใซใฏๆ„Ÿ่ฌใ—
32:15
People aren't gonna come out and say,
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ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ใ€ไบบใ€…ใฏๅ‡บใฆๆฅใฆ
32:16
"Please stop talking to me"--
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ใ€Œ่ฉฑใ‚’ใ‚„ใ‚ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€ใจ่จ€ใ†ใคใ‚‚ใ‚Šใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ็งใซใ€---ใใ†ใงใ™
32:17
- Right, they'll just drop hints.
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ใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใŸใ ใƒ’ใƒณใƒˆใ‚’่ฝใจใ™ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚-ใƒ’ใƒณใƒˆใ‚’
32:20
- Drop hints, yeah.
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่ฝใจใ™ใ€ใˆใˆ
32:21
- And don't let that discourage you,
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ใ€‚-ใใ—ใฆ ใใ‚ŒใŒใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’่ฝ่ƒ†ใ•ใ›
32:23
that just means that person wasn't in the mood that day,
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ใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
32:26
but you can definitely keep trying and you may find that
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่ฉฆใ—ใฆใฟใ‚‹ใจ
32:30
you find someone who's also in the mood
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32:32
to strike up a conversation or make a friend.
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ใ€ไผš่ฉฑใ‚’ๅง‹ใ‚ ใŸใ‚Šๅ‹้”ใ‚’ไฝœใฃใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ๆฐ—ๅˆ†ใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไบบใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
32:34
Another thing is where you're living,
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ๅˆฅใฎใ“ใจใฏใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒไฝใ‚“ใง
32:37
try to explore the places around there.
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ใ„ใ‚‹ๅ ดๆ‰€ใงใ™ใ€‚ใใฎๅ‘จ่พบใฎๅ ดๆ‰€ใ‚’ๆŽข็ดขใ—ใฆใฟใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
32:39
If you find a local restaurant or coffee shop or park,
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ๅœฐๅ…ƒใฎใƒฌใ‚นใƒˆใƒฉใƒณ ใ‚„ใ‚ณใƒผใƒ’ใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒƒใƒ—ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใŸใ‚‰ ใพใŸใฏ้ง่ปŠใ—ใฆใ€
32:44
go there to try to strike up these conversations
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ใใ“ใซ่กŒใฃใฆใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎไผš่ฉฑใ‚’็››ใ‚ŠไธŠใ’ใฆใฟใฆ
32:46
because then you're very likely gonna be talking to people
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ใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ใใ†ใ™ใ‚Œใฐใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ
32:49
who live around you or have the same interests as you.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๅ‘จใ‚Šใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใ€ใพใŸใฏใ‚ใชใŸ ใจๅŒใ˜่ˆˆๅ‘ณใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไบบใ€…ใจ่ฉฑใ™ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใŒ้žๅธธใซ้ซ˜ใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
32:52
- that's happened to you and I
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32:53
a couple times during the last year and a half,
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32:57
since stony's been born, going to the play space
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็ŸณใŒ็”Ÿใพใ‚Œใฆใ‹ใ‚‰ๅŠๅนด
33:01
and other areas around our house.
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ใ€ๅฎถใฎๅ‘จใ‚Šใฎ้Šใณๅ ดใชใฉใซ่กŒใ
33:03
When you see the same person three or four times in a row,
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ใพใ™ใ€‚ๅŒใ˜ไบบใซ ไผšใฃใŸใ‚‰t
33:06
even without having said anything,
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ไฝ•ใ‚‚่จ€ใ‚ใชใใฆใ‚‚ใ€3ใ€4ๅ›ž็ถšใ‘
33:09
you then kind of have an idea that,
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ใฆ
33:11
"Oh, this person is gonna be here on a regular basis",
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ใ€Œใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ“ใฎไบบใฏ ๅฎšๆœŸ็š„ใซใ“ใ“ใซๆฅใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ€
33:13
and it makes it easy then to go up and say hello
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ใจๆ€ใฃใŸใ‚‰ใ€็ฐกๅ˜ใซไธŠใŒใฃใฆๆŒจๆ‹ถใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใ ใพใ™ใ€‚
33:16
'cause it gives you a way to say, "Hey, I noticed
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ใ€Œใญใˆใ€็งใฏ
33:19
"you guys have been here a couple,
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŸใกใŒใ“ใ“ใซใ‚ซใƒƒใƒ—ใƒซใงใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจ
33:21
"the same times I have", is sort of a bridge into
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ใซๆฐ—ใฅใ„ใŸใ€ใจ่จ€ใ†ๆ–นๆณ•ใ‚’ใ‚ใชใŸใซไธŽใˆใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚ใใ‚Œ ใฏ
33:24
starting a conversation.
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ไผš่ฉฑใ‚’ๅง‹ใ‚ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใฎไธ€็จฎใฎๆžถใ‘ๆฉ‹ใงใ™ใ€‚
33:26
- Now let's talk about going up and saying hello
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-ใใ‚Œใงใฏ
33:28
if English isn't your native language
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ใ€่‹ฑ่ชžใŒๆฏๅ›ฝ่ชžใงใฏใชใใ€ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซไบบใ‚’็†่งฃ
33:31
and you sometimes have a hard time understanding Americans.
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ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใซ่‹ฆๅŠดใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใฏใ€ไธŠใฃใฆๆŒจๆ‹ถใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ† ใ€‚
33:36
That could really stop somebody from doing that,
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ใใ‚Œใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่ชฐใ‹ใŒใใ‚Œใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใ‚’ๆญขใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ› ใ‚“ใ€
33:38
that could really be a mental block.
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ใใ‚Œใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ็ฒพ็ฅž็š„ใชใƒ–ใƒญใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
33:40
- Yeah, I think that that's right.
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-ใˆใˆใ€ใใ†ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
33:41
- And I guess what I would say there is,
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-ใใ—ใฆ ใ€็งใŒ่จ€ใ†ใ“ใจใฏใ‚ใ‚‹ใจ
33:44
don't assume that the person isn't willing
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ๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€ใใฎไบบใŒ
33:47
to try to help you figure out conversation.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒไผš่ฉฑใ‚’็†่งฃใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใ‚’ๆ‰‹ไผใŠใ†ใจใ—ใชใ„ใจๆ€ใ„่พผใพใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ ใ€‚
33:49
Some people may not be interested in trying to
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ใ„ใใคใ‹ใฎ็•ฐใชใ‚‹ๆ–นๆณ•ใง็‰ฉไบ‹ใ‚’่จ€ใŠ ใ†ใจใ—
33:54
help you understand them trying to say things
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ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’็†่งฃใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใ‚’ๅŠฉใ‘ใ‚‹
33:56
a couple different ways,
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33:57
but other people may be very interested,
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ใ“ใจใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใŒใชใ„ไบบใ‚‚ใ„ใ‚Œใฐใ€
33:59
"Oh, who is this person who's from somewhere else
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ใ€Œใ‚ใ‚ใ€ ใฉใ“ใ‹
34:02
"who's chosen to come here?"
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ใ‹ใ‚‰ๆฅใŸใ“ใฎไบบใฏ่ชฐใงใ™ใ‹ใ€ใ€Œใ“ใ“ใซๆฅใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’้ธใ‚“ใ ใฎใฏ่ชฐใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸใ€ใจ้žๅธธใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ไบบใ‚‚ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
34:04
So yeah, just keep trying, and not every person you talk to
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ใˆใˆใ€ใŸใ ่ฉฆใ—ใฆใฟใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€ใใ—ใฆ ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่ฉฑใ™ใ™ในใฆใฎไบบใŒใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่ชฐใง
34:09
is going to be open to who you are,
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ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚’ใ‚ชใƒผใƒ—ใƒณใซใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ใ‘ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€
34:10
but you'll probably find somebody eventually who is.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใŠใใ‚‰ใ ๆœ€็ต‚็š„ใซ่ชฐใ‹ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†
34:14
- And I think another tip too is
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.-ใใ—ใฆ็งใฏใ‚ใชใŸใŒไผš่ฉฑใ‚’ๅง‹ใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใใ‚‚ๅˆฅใฎใƒ’ใƒณใƒˆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
34:16
when you initiate the conversation,
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34:18
it gives you the opportunity to go first,
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ใใ‚ŒใฏไธŽใˆใพใ™ ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆœ€ๅˆใซ่กŒใๆฉŸไผšใงใ™ใ€‚
34:22
and what I mean by that is you can say
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ใคใพใ‚Š
34:26
something along the lines of, "Hi, my name is David.
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34:28
"I've noticed that you guys hang out here as well,
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ใ€Œ ๅ›ใŸใกใ‚‚ใ“ใ“ใงใŸใ‚€ใ‚ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใซๆฐ—ใฅใ„ใŸ
34:33
"and so I thought I would come over and introduce myself.
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ใ€ใจๆ€ใฃใŸใฎใงใ€ๆฅ ใฆ่‡ชๅทฑ็ดนไป‹ใ‚’ใ—ใ‚ˆใ†ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
34:37
"I live in the neighborhood."
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ใ€Œ็งใฏ่ฟ‘ๆ‰€ใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ใ€
34:39
In other words, you can be prepared to talk for 30 seconds
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่จ€ใ„ๆ›ใˆใ‚Œใฐใ€
34:43
or a minute about yourself in a way that
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34:45
you kind of have a chance to rehearse,
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34:47
versus going up to someone and saying,
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่ชฐใ‹ใฎใจใ“ใ‚ใซ่กŒใฃใฆ
34:50
like as a native speaker,
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ใ€ใƒใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ซใƒผใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€
34:51
I can go up to someone and just say, "Hi, I'm David.
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็งใฏ ่ชฐใ‹ใจ ่จ€ใฃใฆใ€ใ€Œใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€็งใฏใƒ‡ใƒ“ใƒƒใƒ‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
34:53
"So, what are you guys up to today?"
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ใ€Œใงใฏใ€ไปŠๆ—ฅใพใงไฝ•ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸใ€
34:57
Without worrying at all about
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34:59
comprehending the long answer that might come back.
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่ฟ”ใฃใฆใใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„้•ทใ„็ญ”ใˆใ‚’็†่งฃใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ใพใฃใŸใๅฟƒ้…ใ›ใšใซใ€‚
35:03
But I think if you're a non-native speaker
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35:05
and you want to sort of avoid that,
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ใจใ‚ใชใŸใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’้ฟใ‘ใŸใ„ใฎใงใ€
35:07
you can kind of talk for a little bit,
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35:09
versus opening with a quick question.
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35:11
- Yeah, you can sort of prepare
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ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™-ใˆใˆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ‚ใชใŸใฎๅฐใ•ใช็ดนไป‹ใ‚’ๆบ–ๅ‚™ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™
35:13
your little introduction.
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35:15
So once you've started making,
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35:18
let's call them light friendships,
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่ปฝใ„ๅ‹ๆƒ…ใ€
35:21
people that you know, you're friendly with,
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35:23
you know their name, how do you build them
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๅฝผใ‚‰ใฎๅๅ‰ใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๅฝผใ‚‰
35:25
into more supportive friendships?
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ใ‚’ใ‚ˆใ‚Šๆ”ฏๆด็š„ใชๅ‹ๆƒ…ใซใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๆง‹็ฏ‰ใ—ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
35:28
- It's the big question, right?
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-ใใ‚Œใฏๅคงใใช่ณชๅ•ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ
35:33
- Actually, that brings me to
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-ๅฎŸ้š›ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ็งใซ
35:34
another question that came in but I'd love to read now
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ๅˆฅใฎ่ณชๅ•ใ‚’ใ‚‚ใŸใ‚‰ใ—ใพใ™ ใŒ ใใ‚ŒใŒใ“ใฎไผš่ฉฑใฎไธ€้ƒจ
35:37
because I think that will become part of this conversation.
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ใซใชใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ†ใฎใงใ€ไปŠ่ชญใฟใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
35:39
- Okay.
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ใ€‚-ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸ
35:40
- So this is a question that came from
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ใ€‚-ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ ใ‹ใ‚‰ๆฅใŸ่ณชๅ•ใงใ™ใ€‚ ใƒฌใ‚คใƒใ‚งใƒซใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚ขใ‚ซใƒ‡ใƒŸใƒผ
35:42
one of my students in Rachel's English Academy
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ใฎ็งใฎๅญฆ็”Ÿใฎไธ€ไบบใง
35:44
and she's from Germany and now she lives in the US,
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ใ€ๅฝผๅฅณใฏใƒ‰ใ‚คใƒ„ๅ‡บ่บซใงใ€ ็พๅœจใฏใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
35:48
and she has said to me,
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ๅฝผๅฅณใฏ็งใซใ€
35:50
"I find that Americans are really open to talking with me
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ใ€Œ็งใŒๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๆฐ—ๅˆ†ใŒ่‰ฏใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใ€ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซไบบใฏ ็งใจ่ฉฑใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ‚ชใƒผใƒ—ใƒณใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€ใจ่จ€ใ„
35:55
"if I'm in a really good mood, and all I'm just,
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ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใใ—ใฆใ€
35:58
"all I'm saying are positive things,
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็งใŒ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใฏใ€ใ€Œ็งใŒ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใฏๅ‰ๅ‘ใใชใ“ใจใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€ใ€
36:00
"life is good, life is great, everything's good,
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ใ€Œไบบ็”Ÿใฏ่‰ฏใ„ใ€ไบบ็”Ÿใฏ ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ€ใ™ในใฆใŒ่‰ฏใ„
36:03
"let's have fun and talk about funny things",
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36:06
then people are really willing to engage with her.
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ใใ—ใฆไบบใ€…ใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ ๅฝผๅฅณใจ้–ขใ‚ใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
36:09
But she said, "But if I bring up something
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ๅฝผๅฅณใฏใ€ใ€Œใงใ‚‚
36:12
"difficult in my life,
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ใ€ไบบ็”Ÿใง้›ฃใ—ใ„
36:13
"something that I'm having a problem with,
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ใ“ใจใ€ๅ•้กŒใ‚’ๆŠฑใˆใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ€
36:15
"maybe financial difficulties or looking for a job,
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็ตŒๆธˆ็š„ๅ›ฐ้›ฃ ใ‚„ไป•ไบ‹ใ‚’
36:19
"having a hard time finding a job,
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ๆŽขใ™ใ“ใจใ€ไป•ไบ‹ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใ‚‹ใฎใซ่‹ฆๅŠดใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจ
36:21
"or just a struggle in general, when I bring that up",
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ใ€ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ„ใฏๅ˜ใซ ่‹ฆๅŠดใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใŒ ใ€็งใŒใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅ–ใ‚ŠไธŠใ’ใ‚‹ใจใ€
36:25
she says she finds that people don't really seem
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ไบบใ€…ใฏ
36:27
to want to talk about it.
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ใใ‚Œใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ใŸใŒใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ†ใ ใจ
36:29
She said of course there are a few times
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ๅฝผๅฅณใฏ่จ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€
36:31
where she's found people who are willing to
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36:33
discuss this with her, but in general,
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ใ“ใ‚Œใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ๅˆใ†ใ“ใจใ‚’ใ„ใจใ‚ใชใ„ไบบใ€…ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚‹ใจๅฝผๅฅณใฏ่จ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ๅฝผๅฅณใงใ™ใŒใ€ไธ€่ˆฌ็š„ใซใ€
36:35
people seem to kind of turn away
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ไบบใ€…ใฏไบบ็”Ÿใฎ้›ฃใ—ใ„ใ“ใจใซใคใ„ใฆใฎใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชไผš่ฉฑใ‹ใ‚‰้›ขใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่ฆ‹ใˆใพใ™
36:37
from that kind of conversation
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36:39
about the harder things in life,
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36:41
but the things that are present for everybody.
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ใŒ ใ€ใ™ในใฆใฎไบบใซๅญ˜ๅœจใ™ใ‚‹
36:44
Were you gonna say something?
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ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚ใ‚ใชใŸใฏไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’่จ€ใ†ใคใ‚‚ใ‚Šใงใ—ใŸใ‹๏ผŸ
36:47
- Right, I think that when we take a risk
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-ใใ† ใงใ™ใ€็งใŸใกใŒ ใƒชใ‚นใ‚ฏใŒใ‚ใ‚‹
36:52
or when we're vulnerable and share a little bit of something
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ๅ ดๅˆใ€ใพใŸใฏ็งใŸใกใŒ่„†ๅผฑ
36:55
that's real or something that's deep,
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ใง็พๅฎŸ็š„ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ‚„ๆทฑใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’ๅฐ‘ใ—ๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ™ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใ€
36:58
she gives great examples there about things that are hard,
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ๅฝผๅฅณใฏ้›ฃใ—ใ„ใ“ใจใซใคใ„ใฆ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ไพ‹ใ‚’็คบใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
37:01
when we are with someone who has been a casual friend
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็งใŸใกใŒใ‚ซใ‚ธใƒฅใ‚ขใƒซใชๅ‹ไบบใงใ‚ใฃใŸ่ชฐใ‹ใจไธ€็ท’ใซใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใ€็งใŸใกใฏ
37:04
and we take a risk and share something that is
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ใƒชใ‚นใ‚ฏใ‚’ๅ†’ใ—ใฆ ๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ—ใพใ™
37:08
really deep for us that's a real struggle,
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็งใŸใกใซใจใฃใฆๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๆทฑใ„ไฝ•ใ‹ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่‹ฆๅŠดใงใ™ใ€
37:12
I think that's sort of how you figure out
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็งใฏใ‚ใชใŸใŒใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซfใ™ใ‚‹ใ‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
37:15
which of your casual friends
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ‚ซใ‚ธใƒฅใ‚ขใƒซใชๅ‹้”ใฎใฉใ‚Œ
37:17
are the relationships to really invest in
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ใŒๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๆŠ•่ณ‡ใ—
37:20
and go for more depth with.
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37:22
I mean, just to put some numbers on it,
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37:24
I think if you have 10 casual friends
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10ไบบใฎใ‚ซใ‚ธใƒฅใ‚ขใƒซใชๅ‹้”
37:26
and with each of those 10 people, at some point,
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37:29
you take a risk and really share something about yourself,
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37:32
I would expect that probably two
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37:34
out of those 10 conversations
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ไบบใฏ ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎ10ใฎไผš่ฉฑ
37:35
would then go into a deeper, fuller conversation.
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ใฏใ€ ใ‚ˆใ‚Šๆทฑใใ€ใ‚ˆใ‚Šๅ……ๅฎŸใ—ใŸไผš่ฉฑใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
37:41
It's sort of like with the initial conversation
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37:46
with someone in line at the grocery store,
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37:48
you strike up 10 of those conversations,
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37:49
probably only two of those conversations
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37:51
are gonna be more than just a quick casual,
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37:55
"Hey, how's it going?"
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37:57
So I think it's difficult because
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰
37:59
when we're being vulnerable and sharing things
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ใ€็งใŸใกใŒ่„†ๅผฑ ใงๅ›ฐ้›ฃใชใ“ใจใ‚’ๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ
38:03
that are difficult, we really,
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38:05
we're putting ourself out there,
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่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใ‚’ใใ“ใซ็ฝฎใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹
38:07
so it's hard to be rejected,
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ใฎใง
38:09
or maybe that's too strong of a word, but maybe not.
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38:13
It's a feeling of rejection that comes up
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38:14
when the other person doesn't want to engage.
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ใ€‚
38:17
Let's talk eight out of 10 times,
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10ๅ›žใฎใ†ใก8ๅ›ž่ฉฑใ—ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
38:19
people aren't really interested in the fact
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38:21
that you just shared something
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38:22
that you're really struggling with.
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38:23
The other side is if you can think about it as
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38:26
from the positive side, you've found two people
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38:30
with whom you can now really invest deeply with,
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38:34
I think that's a pretty compelling reason to say that
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38:37
the eight shutdowns, shoot, what's it called?
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38:40
Being shot down are worth it.
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38:42
- Yeah, so okay, a couple things here.
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-ใˆใˆใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ ใ“ใ“ใซใ„ใใคใ‹ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
38:45
One thing is how to build more supportive,
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ไธ€ใคใฎใ“ใจใฏใ€ใ‚ˆใ‚Šๅ”ๅŠ›็š„ใงใ‚ˆใ‚Šๆทฑใ„ๅ‹ๆƒ…ใ‚’็ฏ‰ใๆ–นๆณ•
38:48
deeper friendships.
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38:49
One way is to simply open up more and tell more
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1ใคใฎๆ–นๆณ•ใฏใ€ๅ˜็ด”ใซใ‚‚ใฃใจใ‚ชใƒผใƒ—ใƒณใซ ใ—ใฆใ€
38:52
things about yourself, including things that are hard,
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่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใซใคใ„ใฆใ‚‚ใฃใจๅคšใ ใฎใ“ใจใ‚’ไผใˆใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚ใ“ใ‚Œใซใฏใ€้›ฃใ—ใ„ใ“ใจ
38:55
being more real, more vulnerable.
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ใ€ใ‚ˆใ‚Š็พๅฎŸ็š„ใงใ€ใ‚ˆใ‚Š่„†ๅผฑใชใ“ใจใ‚‚ๅซใพใ‚Œใพใ™ใ€‚
38:59
And then David's talking about when you
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39:01
try to deepen a friendship by doing that,
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39:04
there's maybe a very good chance that that person
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39:08
is not ready to have that kind of a friendship with you
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39:11
and is just gonna kind of find a way to change the subject
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39:14
of the conversation, but a couple will likely be willing to
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39:19
be more receptive to that.
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ใใ‚Œใ‚’ใ‚‚ใฃใจๅ—ใ‘ๅ…ฅใ‚Œใฆใใ‚Œใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
39:22
So maybe what this woman who submitted this comment,
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39:27
maybe the culture where she is in,
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39:30
it's more normal to talk about struggles
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39:33
with friendships that are a little bit less deep.
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39:36
I mean for me, if I have a casual acquaintance with someone
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39:42
and they start talking about something
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39:45
that they're struggling with, this is awful,
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39:49
but part of me starts to wonder,
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39:50
"What do they, what are they trying to get out of me?
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ใ€Œๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏไฝ•ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏไฝ• ใ‚’ๆŠœใ‘ๅ‡บใใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ใ€ใจ็–‘ๅ•ใซๆ€ใ„ๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ™ใ€‚
39:52
"What do they want me to do for them?"
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39:54
Isn't that horrible?
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39:55
Whereas if it's a good friend, then I'm all ears,
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39:58
I'm listening, I'm engaged, I want to help that person,
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็งใฏ่žใ„ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€็งใฏๅพ“ไบ‹ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€ ็งใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅŠฉใ‘ใŸใ„ใงใ™ ไบบใ€
40:02
I want to be there for that person,
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40:03
I want to help him or her fix whatever is wrong,
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ๅฝผใพใŸใฏๅฝผๅฅณ ใŒ้–“้•ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ไฟฎๆญฃใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใ‚’ๆ‰‹ไผใ„ใŸใ„
40:07
but if it's someone I don't really know
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ใฎใงใ™ใŒใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒ็งใŒๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใชใ„ไบบใงใ‚ใ‚Š
40:08
and they start talking about what's difficult in their life,
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40:11
I find that I don't really know what to do with that
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ใง้›ฃใ—ใ„ใ“ใจใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ๅง‹ใ‚ใ‚‹ใชใ‚‰ใ€็งใฏ็งใŒใ„ใชใ„ใ“ใจใซๆฐ—ไป˜ใใพใ™ใ€ ใใ‚Œใ‚’ใฉใ†ใ—ใŸใ‚‰ใ„ใ„ใฎใ‹ใ‚ˆใใ‚ใ‹ใ‚‰
40:14
and I start to think, "Why are they telling me this?"
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ใชใ„ใฎใงใ€ใ€Œ ใชใœๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ็งใซใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ใ€ใจๆ€ใ„ๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ™ใ€‚
40:17
Do you ever feel that?
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’ๆ„Ÿใ˜ใŸใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
40:18
I mean how do you, I guess it depends on
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40:21
how you're defining an acquaintance,
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40:22
but David's looking at me like he maybe doesn't agree.
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40:25
- I think, no, not that I don't agree,
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ใจใฏๆ€ใ‚ใชใ„ใ€ ใใฎ
40:28
I think that what's coming up for you in those moments
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40:31
is your discomfort and you're not,
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ใฏใ‚ใชใŸใฎไธๅฟซๆ„Ÿใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใใ†ใงใฏใชใ„ใ€
40:33
your disinterest in taking that relationship
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40:37
to a deeper place.
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ใ‚ˆใ‚Šๆทฑใ„ๅ ดๆ‰€ใธใฎใใฎ้–ขไฟ‚ใ€‚
40:38
I mean again, I would focus on the two out of 10 times
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40:40
when it does feel right.
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ใซ็„ฆ็‚นใ‚’ๅˆใ‚ใ›ใพใ™ใ€‚ 10ไบบไธญ8ไบบใ‚’่ชฟในใ‚‹ใฎใซๅคšใ
40:42
I don't think we can spend a ton of time
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40:46
examining the eight out of 10,
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40:47
but I think your energy is much better spent on
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40:51
those two out of 10 times when somebody that is
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40:53
a casual friend to you opens up and starts sharing with you
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ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ‚ซใ‚ธใƒฅใ‚ขใƒซใชๅ‹้”ใงใ‚ใ‚‹่ชฐใ‹ใŒ้–‹ใ„ ใฆๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ—ๅง‹ใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ‚จใƒใƒซใ‚ฎใƒผใฏ10ๅ›žใฎใ†ใก2ๅ›žใซ่ฒปใ‚„ใ™ๆ–นใŒใฏใ‚‹ใ‹ใซ่‰ฏใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ ใ‚ใชใŸ
40:58
and you're kind of like, "Oh, wow, we're going there.
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41:01
"Okay, that's kind of, I wasn't expecting this,
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ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚ใ€Œใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ ็งใฏใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’ไบˆๆœŸใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸ
41:04
"but all right, okay, I'm listening."
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41:08
- So one of the things that she had said was
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-ใใ‚Œใง ใ€ๅฝผๅฅณใŒ่จ€ใฃใŸใ“ใจใฎไธ€ใคใฏใ€
41:10
she feels like Americans
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ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซไบบ
41:11
only want to talk about positive things,
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41:13
and I guess what we are saying here is that
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41:16
that is probably true of acquaintances
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ใใ‚ŒใฏใŠใใ‚‰ใ็Ÿฅไบบ
41:19
and people of a certain level of friendship,
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ใ‚„ ใ‚ใ‚‹็จ‹ๅบฆใฎๅ‹ๆƒ…ใฎไบบใ€…ใซๅฝ“ใฆใฏใพใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™
41:21
but once you are spending more time with somebody
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ใŒใ€ไธ€ๅบฆใฏ ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ ่ชฐใ‹ใจใ‚ˆใ‚Šๅคšใใฎๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’้Žใ”ใ—ใ€่ชฐใ‹
41:25
and sharing more personal things with somebody
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ใจใ‚ˆใ‚Šๅ€‹ไบบ็š„ใชใ“ใจใ‚’ๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ—
41:28
and it's reciprocated, then that person will, I think,
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41:32
definitely be willing to talk about your struggles.
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41:35
I mean, Americans don't shy away from that,
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41:37
they just I think save that kind of conversation
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41:41
for someone that they have a very particular
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41:43
kind of relationship with.
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41:45
And so that conversation happening outside of a friendship
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ใใ—ใฆ ใ€ๅ‹ๆƒ…ใฎๅค–ใง
41:49
that they feel is very deep probably feels awkward,
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่ตทใ“ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไผš่ฉฑใŒ้žๅธธใซๆทฑใ ๆ„Ÿใ˜ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ใŠใใ‚‰ใใŽใ“ใกใชใ
41:51
and that I think might be
911
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2160
41:54
where this person is feeling shut down.
912
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ๆ„Ÿใ˜ใ€ใ“ใฎไบบใŒใ‚ทใƒฃใƒƒใƒˆใƒ€ใ‚ฆใƒณใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ„Ÿใ˜ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใฏใชใ„ใ‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
41:55
- Yeah, and I think that you're right that that is,
913
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-ใˆใˆ ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๆญฃใ—ใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ
41:57
I'm sure it's lodged in cultural norms and is different
914
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ๆ–‡ๅŒ–็š„่ฆ็ฏ„ใซๅŸบใฅใ„ใฆใŠใ‚Šใ€ๅ ดๆ‰€ใ”ใจใ€ๆ–‡ๅŒ–ใ”ใจใซ็•ฐใชใ‚‹ใจ็ขบไฟกใ—ใฆใ„
42:00
from place to place, from culture to culture.
915
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ใพใ™ใ€‚
42:03
But yeah I think that that's exactly right.
916
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใˆใˆใ€็งใฏ ใใ‚ŒใŒๆญฃ็ขบใซๆญฃใ—ใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
42:06
And part of what's hard is that there's no way to know
917
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ใใ—ใฆ้›ฃใ—ใ„ใฎใฏ
42:08
where you are sort of with another person
918
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3490
ใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒไป–ใฎไบบใจใฉใ“ใซใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹
42:12
without testing it out.
919
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ใ‚’ใƒ†ใ‚นใƒˆใ›ใšใซ็Ÿฅใ‚‹ๆ–นๆณ•ใŒใชใ„ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
42:13
- Right, and then you either get shut down
920
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2190
- ใใ†ใงใ™ใ€ใใ†ใ™ใ‚Œใฐใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ‚ทใƒฃใƒƒใƒˆใƒ€ใ‚ฆใƒณใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹
42:15
or the person's interested.
921
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1190
ใ‹ใ€ใใฎไบบใŒ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฎใฉใกใ‚‰ใ‹ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
42:16
- Yeah, you can try to assess and assess and assess
922
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3990
-ใˆใˆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ
42:20
in your mind like, "Well, they said this last time,
923
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2747
ใ€Œใพใ‚ใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏๅ‰ๅ›ž่จ€ใฃใŸใ€ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ‚ใชใŸใฎๅฟƒใฎไธญใง่ฉ•ไพกใ—ใ€่ฉ•ไพกใ—ใ€่ฉ•ไพกใ—ใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ ใ€
42:23
"and I almost said something, but then I didn't,
924
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1920
ใใ—ใฆ็งใฏใปใจใ‚“ใฉ ไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’่จ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€ใ—ใ‹ใ—็งใฏใ—ใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€
42:25
"and I wonder if",
925
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1066
ใ€Œใใ—ใฆ็งใฏ็–‘ๅ•ใซๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€ใ€
42:26
then you can go around and around in circles
926
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2217
ใใ—ใฆใ‚ใชใŸใฏใงใใพใ™
42:28
for hours and hours about whether or not
927
2548590
2670
42:31
this person is someone who you should take a risk with,
928
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3050
ใ“ใฎไบบใŒ ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๅฑ้™บใ‚’ๅ†’ใ™ในใไบบใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹ใ€
42:34
or you can just go for it, and sort of,
929
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3210
ใพใŸใฏใ‚ใชใŸใŒใŸใ ใใ‚ŒใฎใŸใ‚ใซ่กŒใใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹ใซใคใ„ใฆใ€ไฝ•ๆ™‚้–“ใ‚‚ไฝ•ๆ™‚้–“ใ‚‚่ผชใซใชใฃใฆๅ›žใฃใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€ใใ—ใฆ
42:37
that takes major courage,
930
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1880
ใใ‚Œใฏๅคงใใชๅ‹‡ๆฐ—ใ‚’
42:39
but if you can get yourself to know that,
931
2559400
1760
ๅฟ…่ฆใจใ—ใพใ™ใ€ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใ‚’ๅพ—ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚Œใฐ
42:41
"Hey, you know what?
932
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837
42:41
"Eight out of 10 times it may not go well,
933
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2320
ใ€Œใญใˆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏไฝ•ใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
ใ€10ๅ›žใฎใ†ใก8ๅ›žใฏใ†ใพใใ„ใ‹ใชใ„ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒ
42:44
"but it's worth it because those two out of 10 times
934
2564317
2580
ใ€10ๅ›žใฎใ†ใก2ๅ›ž
42:46
"where it does go well are really, really worth it to me,
935
2566897
3150
ใฏใ†ใพใใ„ใใฎใงใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ ไพกๅ€คใŒใ‚ใ‚Š
42:50
"so I'm gonna go for it."
936
2570047
1593
ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰็งใฏใใ‚ŒใฎใŸใ‚ใซ่กŒใใคใ‚‚ใ‚Šใงใ™ใ€‚ใ€
42:51
- Yeah, that's where you start building
937
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1700
-ใˆใˆใ€ ใใ“
42:53
the real friendships.
938
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1440
ใ‹ใ‚‰ๆœฌๅฝ“ใฎๅ‹ๆƒ…ใ‚’็ฏ‰ใๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ™ใ€‚
42:54
And actually I think one way that you can test the waters,
939
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3090
ใใ—ใฆๅฎŸ้š›ใ€็งใฏ ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆฐดใ‚’ใƒ†ใ‚นใƒˆใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ไธ€ใคใฎๆ–นๆณ•ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€
42:57
that is try something out with somebody,
940
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3270
ใใ‚Œใฏ่ชฐใ‹ใจไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’่ฉฆใ™ใ“ใจ
43:01
let's say you've met them a couple times,
941
2581140
1770
ใงใ™ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๅฝผใ‚‰ใซๆ•ฐๅ›žไผšใฃใŸใจใ—ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€
43:02
they're an acquaintance, you maybe consider them a friend.
942
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2820
ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ็Ÿฅไบบใงใ™ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸ ใฏๅฝผใ‚‰ใ‚’ๅ‹้”ใจ่€ƒใˆใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
43:05
Rather than opening up about yourself
943
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2200
่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎใ“ใจ
43:07
and saying something that you're struggling with
944
2587930
2030
ใ‚’ๅฃใซๅ‡บใ—ใฆใ€ ่‹ฆๅŠดใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจ
43:09
or something that's hard for you to deal with,
945
2589960
2560
ใ‚„ๆ‰ฑใ„ใซใใ„ใ“ใจใ‚’่จ€ใ†ใฎ ใงใฏใชใใ€
43:12
you can ask that person a question,
946
2592520
2058
ใใฎไบบใซ่ณชๅ•ใ—ใฆใ€
43:14
and then see how they respond.
947
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2212
ๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๅๅฟœใ™ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
43:16
Do they go deep with their answer?
948
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2140
ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏๅฝผใ‚‰ใฎ็ญ”ใˆใ‚’ๆทฑใ็†่งฃใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
43:18
Or do they just sort of give a light surface answer?
949
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2270
ใใ‚Œใจใ‚‚ใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใŸใ  ่ปฝใ„่กจ้ขใฎ็ญ”ใˆใ‚’ไธŽใˆใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
43:21
And that's a clue, "Okay, this person isn't ready
950
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3577
ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใ€Œใ•ใฆใ€ ใ“ใฎไบบใฏ็งใจ
43:24
"to talk about these more important things with me,
951
2604777
2360
ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎใ‚ˆใ‚Š ้‡่ฆใชใ“ใจใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ™ๆบ–ๅ‚™ใŒใงใใฆใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“
43:27
"or this person is ready."
952
2607137
1973
ใ€ใ€ใพใŸใฏใ€ŒใพใŸใฏใ“ใฎไบบใฏๆบ–ๅ‚™ใŒใงใใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€ใจใ„ใ†ๆ‰‹ใŒใ‹ใ‚Šใงใ™ใ€‚
43:29
- It's a really good point,
953
2609110
1000
-ใใ‚Œใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่‰ฏใ„็‚นใงใ™ใ€
43:30
that thought had crossed my mind earlier,
954
2610110
1950
ใใฎ่€ƒใˆใฏไปฅๅ‰ใซ็งใฎ้ ญใซๆตฎใ‹ใณใพใ—ใŸใ€
43:32
and I'm glad you brought it up, yeah, absolutely.
955
2612060
1760
ใใ—ใฆ็งใฏใ‚ใชใŸใŒใใ‚Œใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใใฆใใ‚Œใฆใ†ใ‚Œใ—ใ„ใงใ™ ใ€ใˆใˆใ€็ตถๅฏพใซใ€‚
43:33
So what would be an example of a kind of question
956
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2968
ใงใฏ
43:36
that someone could ask an acquaintance/light new friend
957
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5232
ใ€่ชฐใ‹ใŒ ็Ÿฅไบบใ‚„่ปฝใ„ๆ–ฐใ—ใ„
43:42
in order to see,
958
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1380
ๅ‹้”ใซ
43:43
"Oh, how can I try to take this friendship deeper?"
959
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3640
ใ€Œใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใฉใ†ใ™ใ‚Œใฐใ“ใฎๅ‹ๆƒ…ใ‚’ใ‚‚ใฃใจๆทฑใ‚ใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใฎ ใ‹ใ€ใจๅฐ‹ใญใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใช่ณชๅ•ใฎไพ‹ใฏไฝ•ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹ใ€‚
43:47
-Yeah, I think a couple things,
960
2627040
1130
-ใˆใˆใ€ใ„ใใคใ‹ใฎใ“ใจใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
43:48
I mean, one of the things is to say
961
2628170
2010
43:50
something that you noticed and ask about it,
962
2630180
4860
ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ ๆฐ—ใฅใ„ใŸใ“ใจใ‚’่จ€ใฃใฆใ€
43:55
"I noticed last time we were hanging out
963
2635040
2357
ใ€Œๅ‰ๅ›žใถใ‚‰ใถใ‚‰ใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใจใใซๆฐ—ใฅใ„ใŸ
43:57
"that you didn't mention how your husband's doing.
964
2637397
3520
ใ€ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๅคซใฎๆง˜ๅญใซใคใ„ใฆ่จ€ๅŠใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
44:00
"Is everything going okay with you guys?"
965
2640920
4520
ใ€Œใฟใ‚“ใชๅคงไธˆๅคซใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸใ€
44:05
- Or even just, "How is blank going?"
966
2645440
3380
-ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ„ใฏใ€ ใ€Œ็ฉบ็™ฝใฏใฉใ†ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸใ€
44:08
Even if you have no idea if it's gonna involve a good answer
967
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3440
่‰ฏใ„็ญ”ใˆใชใฎ
44:12
or a bad answer, just asking,
968
2652270
1837
ใ‹ๆ‚ชใ„็ญ”ใˆ
44:14
"Oh, how are things going with the kids?
969
2654107
1670
ใชใฎใ‹ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚‰ใชใใฆใ‚‚ใ€ใ€Œใ‚ใ‚ใ€ๅญไพ›ใŸใก
44:15
"Or how are things going at work?"
970
2655777
2082
ใฏใฉใ†ใชใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎ๏ผŸใ€ใจใ‹ใ€ใ€Œใ†ใพใใ„ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎ๏ผŸใ€ใจๅฐ‹ใญใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€‚
44:17
- Yeah, anything that anybody says,
971
2657859
2418
44:20
you can follow up with, "And how is that for you?
972
2660277
3580
ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒญใƒผใ‚ขใƒƒใƒ—ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€ ใ€Œใใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใฏใ‚ใชใŸใซใจใฃใฆใฉใ†ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
44:23
"How's that going for you?"
973
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1518
ใ€Œ่ชฟๅญใฏใฉใ†๏ผŸใ€
44:25
- And then from there depending on their answer,
974
2665375
2415
-ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใ“ใ‹ใ‚‰ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฎ็ญ”ใˆใซใ‚ˆใฃใฆใฏ
44:27
you might be able to draw them out more,
975
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44:30
see if they're interested in being drawn out more
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ใ€‚ๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒใ‚‚ใฃใจๅผ•ใๅ‡บใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹ใ‚’็ขบ่ชใ—ใ€ใใ†
44:32
and if they are, then that conversation will grow,
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ใงใ‚ใ‚Œใฐใ€ใใฎ ไผš่ฉฑใฏๆˆ้•ทใ—
44:34
and probably that friendship will grow.
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ใ€ใŠใใ‚‰ใใใฎๅ‹ๆƒ…ใฏๆˆ้•ทใ™ใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
44:37
I read an article several months ago now
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็งใฏๆ•ฐใƒถๆœˆๅ‰
44:41
about a bunch of high schools
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44:44
that were accepting one year,
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ใซใ€1ๅนด
44:46
or one to two year international students from China,
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ใพใŸใฏ1ๅนดใ‹ใ‚‰2ๅนดใฎ ไธญๅ›ฝใ‹ใ‚‰ใฎ็•™ๅญฆ็”Ÿใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ๅ…ฅใ‚Œใฆใ„ใŸใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎ้ซ˜ๆ กใซใคใ„ใฆ
44:49
the article was focusing on Chinese students
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ใฎ่จ˜ไบ‹ใ‚’่ชญใฟใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ใ“ใฎ่จ˜ไบ‹ใฏใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใฎ้ซ˜ๆ กใงๅ‹‰ๅผทใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไธญๅ›ฝไบบๅญฆ็”Ÿใซ็„ฆ็‚นใ‚’ๅฝ“ใฆใฆใ„ ใพใ—ใŸ
44:51
studying in American high schools.
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ใ€‚
44:53
And the article was talking about how hard it is
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใฎ่จ˜ไบ‹ใฏ
44:56
for these Chinese students to make friends in America
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ใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎไธญๅ›ฝไบบๅญฆ็”Ÿ ใŒใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใงๅ‹้”ใ‚’ไฝœใ‚‹ใฎใŒใฉใ‚Œใปใฉ้›ฃใ—ใ„ใ‹ใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸ
44:59
and I was like, "Gosh, of course."
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45:00
And part of it is in a high school situation,
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใฎไธ€้ƒจใฏ ้ซ˜ๆ กใฎ็Šถๆณใงใ€
45:04
kids are using so much slang that these students are coming
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ๅญไพ›ใŸใกใฏใ‚นใƒฉใƒณใ‚ฐใ‚’ๅคš็”จใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใง
45:08
who studied English formally,
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ใ€ๆญฃๅผใซ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ๅ‹‰ๅผทใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใŒใ‚„ใฃใฆๆฅใฆ
45:10
and they don't understand the general idea of conversation,
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ใ€ไผš่ฉฑใฎไธ€่ˆฌ็š„ใช่€ƒใˆๆ–นใ‚’็†่งฃใ—ใฆใ„
45:16
like they just can't keep up.
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ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
45:17
And I think that would be incredibly hard.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใ‚Œใฏไฟกใ˜ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใชใ„ใปใฉ้›ฃใ—ใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
45:20
And I think if you're in that situation,
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใช็Šถๆณใซใ‚ใ‚‹ใชใ‚‰ใ€
45:22
your only hope is to ask what people mean,
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๅ”ฏไธ€ใฎๆœ›ใฟใฏไบบใ€…ใŒไฝ•ใ‚’ๆ„ๅ‘ณใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ใ‚’ๅฐ‹ใญใ‚‹ใ“ใจใง
45:26
and probably be doing that a lot.
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ใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ใŠใใ‚‰ใใใ‚Œใ‚’ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ‚„ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
45:28
And for a lot of people, that might be annoying,
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅคšใใฎไบบใซใจใฃใฆใ€ ใใ‚Œใฏ่ฟทๆƒ‘
45:31
and that might turn them off, but for a few people,
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ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ—ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏๅฝผใ‚‰ใ‚’ใ‚ชใƒ•ใซใ™ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ ใŒใ€ๅฐ‘ๆ•ฐใฎไบบใซใจใฃใฆใฏใ€
45:34
they'll be willing to answer you,
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ‚ใชใŸใซ็ญ”ใˆใฆใใ‚Œใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†
45:36
and then those are people with whom I think
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ใ€ใใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฏ
45:38
you're gonna start to develop a more real friendship.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆˆ้•ทใ—ๅง‹ใ‚ใ‚‹ใจ็งใŒๆ€ใ†ไบบใ€…ใงใ™ ใ‚ˆใ‚Šๆœฌๅฝ“ใฎๅ‹ๆƒ…ใ€‚
45:41
What do you think, David? - Right, exactly.
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ใƒ‡ใƒ“ใƒƒใƒ‰ใ€ใฉใ†ๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ -ใใฎ้€šใ‚Šใงใ™ใ€‚
45:43
Yeah, that's exactly right.
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ใˆใˆใ€ใใฎ้€šใ‚Šใงใ™ใ€‚
45:45
- So really making friends
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-ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅ‹้”
45:47
and turning acquaintances into deeper friends
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ใ‚’ไฝœใ‚Šใ€็Ÿฅไบบ ใ‚’ใ‚ˆใ‚Šๆทฑใ„ๅ‹้”
45:51
is hugely an issue of putting yourself out there.
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ใซๅค‰ใˆใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏ ใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใ‚’ใใ“ใซ็ฝฎใใ“ใจใฎๅคงใใชๅ•้กŒใงใ™ใ€‚
45:53
That means taking a risk, being vulnerable.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ€ ใƒชใ‚นใ‚ฏใ‚’ๅ†’ใ—ใ€่„†ๅผฑใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๆ„ๅ‘ณใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
45:58
David, talk to me about some of your best friends
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ใƒ‡ใƒ“ใƒƒใƒ‰ใ€
46:01
about how you met those people,
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎไบบใ€…ใซใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซไผšใฃใŸใ‹
46:03
where that friendship was nurtured?
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ใ€ใใฎๅ‹ๆƒ…ใŒ่‚ฒใพใ‚ŒใŸๅ ดๆ‰€ใซใคใ„ใฆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ่ฆชๅ‹ใฎไฝ•ไบบใ‹ใซใคใ„ใฆ็งใซ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
46:06
- Sure, so one of my closest friends
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-็ขบใ‹ใซใ€้ซ˜ๆ กใงๅ‡บไผšใฃ ใŸ่ฆชๅ‹ใฎไธ€ไบบใงใ€
46:10
I met in high school, so in ninth grade,
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ไธญๅญฆ3ๅนด็”Ÿใง
46:14
and we had class together, and we just,
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ไธ€็ท’ใซๆŽˆๆฅญใ‚’ใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
46:17
I think the first time that we spoke
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็งใŸใกใŒๅˆใ‚ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ใŸใฎ
46:19
was during an assignment in the Spanish class
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ใฏ ใ‚นใƒšใ‚คใƒณ่ชžใฎๆŽˆๆฅญไธญใ ใฃ
46:22
and we hit it off.
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ใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚ชใƒ•ใ€‚
46:23
We ended up both playing basketball,
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็งใŸใกใฏไธกๆ–นใจใ‚‚ใƒใ‚นใ‚ฑใƒƒใƒˆใƒœใƒผใƒซใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซ
46:26
and that was the start of our friendship
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ใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€ใใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใฏ็งใŸใกใฎๅ‹ๆƒ…ใฎๅง‹ใพใ‚Šใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ
46:29
that's still really close to this day.
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ใพใ ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซไปŠๆ—ฅใซ่ฟ‘ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
46:31
- So a friendship that carried through
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-ใใ‚Œใงใ€
46:34
from childhood?
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ๅญไพ›ใฎ้ ƒใ‹ใ‚‰็ถšใ„ใŸๅ‹ๆƒ…๏ผŸ
46:35
- Yeah, mm-hmm, yeah, we would have been,
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-ใˆใˆใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ ใˆใˆใ€็งใŸใกใฏใใ†ใ ใฃใŸใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€
46:37
how old are you in ninth grade?
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏไธญๅญฆ3ๅนด็”Ÿใงไฝ•ๆญณใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
46:39
15, I guess.
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15ใ€็งใฏๆŽจๆธฌใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
46:40
- Yeah, 14 maybe.
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-ใˆใˆใ€ๅคšๅˆ†14ใ€‚
46:42
Okay so-- - So that's one extreme.
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ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸ ---ใใ‚Œใฏๆฅต็ซฏใชใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
46:44
That's an example of a childhood friend.
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ใใ‚Œใฏๅนผใชใ˜ใฟใฎไพ‹ใงใ™ใ€‚
46:45
And then I guess sort of on the other end
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚‚ใ†ไธ€ๆ–นใฎ็ซฏ
46:48
would be someone that I met about seven years ago at work
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ใฏ ใ€7ๅนดใปใฉๅ‰ใซ่ทๅ ด
46:51
who just from being at work together
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ใงๅ‡บไผšใฃใŸไบบใงใ€ไธ€็ท’ใซไป•ไบ‹ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใใ“ใงไผš่ฉฑใ‚’ใ—ใŸใ ใ‘
46:55
and having conversations there, realizing that,
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ใงใ€
46:58
"Oh, you know what?
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46:59
"We really get along well."
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ใ€Œ
47:00
And so then he and I started to hang out
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ๅฝผใจ็งใฏๆ™‚ใ€…ไป•ไบ‹ใฎๅค–ใงใŸใ‚€ใ‚ใ—ๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ—ใŸ
47:02
outside of work sometimes,
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47:04
and that ended up becoming a very close friendship.
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ใใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใฏ ้žๅธธใซ่ฆชๅฏ†ใชๅ‹ๆƒ…ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
47:09
I was the officiant at their wedding,
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47:11
and we are extremely close now and see each other a lot,
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47:15
even though we no longer work together,
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47:17
so that's someone who I met later in life
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47:20
who has become a very close friend as well.
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ใŸใ€้žๅธธใซ ่ฆชใ—ใ„ๅ‹ไบบใซใชใฃใŸไบบใงใ™
47:23
- And then what about Adrian?
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-ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚จใ‚คใƒ‰ใƒชใ‚ขใƒณ
47:25
You have a really interesting story about
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47:26
how you met him, don't you?
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ใฏใฉใ†ใงใ™ใ‹
47:28
- Yeah, so we were, we had a mutual friend,
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47:31
and when Adrian and I met,
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47:33
we started to do some of the typical questions
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ใŸใกใฏ
47:36
back and forth about, "So, what do you do?"
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47:38
And we realized that we have both done
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ใจใ„ใ†ๅ…ธๅž‹็š„ใช่ณชๅ•ใฎใ„ใใคใ‹ใ‚’ใ‚„ใ‚Šใจใ‚Šใ—ๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
47:41
restorative justice work, which is a particular kind of
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ไฟฎๅพฉ็š„ๅธๆณ•ใฎ ไป•ไบ‹ใฏ
47:44
intervention with people in conflict,
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ใ€็ด›ไบ‰ไธญใฎไบบใ€…ใธใฎ็‰นๅˆฅใชไป‹ๅ…ฅใง
47:46
and then we realized that we have both done work around
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ใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ใใ‚Œใ‹ใ‚‰็งใŸใกใฏ่‡ชๅˆ†ใŸใกใŒ ใฉใกใ‚‰ใ‚‚ๅฎถๅบญๅ†…ๆšดๅŠ›ใ‚’ๅ›ž้ฟใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใฎๅ–ใ‚Š็ต„ใฟ
47:49
domestic violence and we were both politically engaged
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ใ‚’่กŒใฃใฆใŠใ‚Šใ€็งใŸใก ใฏใฉใกใ‚‰ใ‚‚
47:54
in sort of really similar ways,
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้žๅธธใซใ‚ˆใไผผใŸๆ–นๆณ•ใงๆ”ฟๆฒป็š„ใซ้–ขไธŽใ—ใฆใŠใ‚Šใ€
47:56
and just sort of had this story
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47:58
that kept mirroring each other at every turn.
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ใฏๅธธใซใŠไบ’ใ„ใ‚’ๅๆ˜ ใ—็ถšใ‘ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
48:01
And this is another example of how
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48:05
you can really quickly become close with someone
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48:08
when you realize you have a bunch of
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ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎ้‡่ค‡ใ™ใ‚‹ไบบ็”Ÿ็ตŒ้จ“ใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซๆฐ—ใฅใ
48:09
overlapping life experiences and just
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48:12
can hit it off right away because of that.
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48:15
- I had heard the story that you guys
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48:17
were at a bar and you just randomly met,
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŸใกใŒใƒใƒผใซใ„ใฆใ€ใƒฉใƒณใƒ€ใƒ ใซไผšใฃใŸใจใ„ใ†่ฉฑใ‚’่žใ„
48:18
but you actually were there because
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48:20
you had a friend in common.
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ใ€ๅ…ฑ้€šใฎๅ‹้”ใŒใ„ใŸใฎใงใใ“ใซใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
48:21
- Yeah, mm-hmm. - Okay.
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-ใ†ใ‚“ใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚ - ใ‚ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
48:23
But still, you strike up this conversation
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48:26
and you find you have all these things in common and then--
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ใ‚’ๅง‹ใ‚ใฆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ‚ใชใŸใŒใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใ™ในใฆใฎ ใ‚‚ใฎใซๅ…ฑ้€šใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซๆฐ—ใฅใใพใ™ใใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใ‹ใ‚‰---ใใ†ใงใ™ใ€ใใ†
48:29
- Right, right.
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48:30
- He's moved away now,
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-ๅฝผใฏไปŠๅผ•ใฃ่ถŠใ—ใฆใใพใ—ใŸ
48:32
but he just visited us last week,
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ใŒใ€ๅ…ˆ้€ฑ็งใŸใกใ‚’่จชใญใŸใฐใ‹ใ‚Šใงใ€
48:33
it was great to see him.
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48:34
- That was great.
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- ใ™ใ”ใ่‰ฏใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
48:36
- Let me see if I can talk about
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-็งใŒๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅ‹ๆƒ…ใฎใ„ใใคใ‹ใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ™ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹่ฆ‹ใฆใฟใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†
48:37
some of my friendships that I have.
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ใ€‚
48:40
One of them, well, I definitely have friends from college.
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ใใฎใ†ใกใฎไธ€ไบบใ€ใพใ‚ใ€็งใซใฏ้–“้•ใ„ใชใ ๅคงๅญฆใฎๅ‹้”ใŒใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
48:44
That's just where I met,
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็งใŒๅฎŸ้š›ใซไผšใฃใŸๅ ดๆ‰€ใงใ™ใ€
48:45
actually, my mom has made this comment.
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ๅฎŸ้š›ใ€็งใฎๆฏใฏใ“ใฎใ‚ณใƒกใƒณใƒˆใ‚’ใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
48:47
Throughout my life, I tend to have entered into
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48:51
or built around me these groups of six to eight women
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ใฏ6ไบบใ‹ใ‚‰8ไบบใฎๅฅณๆ€งใฎใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎใ‚ฐใƒซใƒผใƒ—ใซๅ‚ๅŠ ใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎๅ‘จใ‚Šใซๆง‹็ฏ‰ใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ๅ‚พๅ‘ใŒ
48:55
and that have become really
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48:58
close and supportive communities.
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่ฆชๅฏ†ใงๅ”ๅŠ›็š„ใชใ‚ณใƒŸใƒฅใƒ‹ใƒ†ใ‚ฃใซใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
49:00
I had that in high school and growing up,
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49:02
I had the same thing in college,
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49:05
and then living in New York,
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49:06
I had developed this awesome group of women too.
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ใ„ใฆใ€็งใฏใ“ใฎ ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ๅฅณๆ€งใฎใ‚ฐใƒซใƒผใƒ—ใ‚‚้–‹็™บใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
49:10
And so that's been lucky,
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49:12
and the growing up and the college, that's obvious,
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49:18
'cause you're together all the time in school.
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49:20
And in New York, we all met 'cause
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49:23
we were connected through various people,
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49:25
and I think New York is the kind of place
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49:29
where there are so many people
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ไบบใŒๅคšใ
49:30
that it's actually easy to feel lost.
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49:32
And so I think when you're going there,
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49:35
you often reach out, who do you know, who do you know,
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49:38
who knows people in New York?
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่ชฐใŒใƒ‹ใƒฅใƒผใƒจใƒผใ‚ฏใฎไบบใ€…ใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
49:39
And very often there are people who know people in New York,
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49:42
and so that can kind of build a web for you
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49:45
when you go somewhere, and that definitely happened for me.
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49:47
And one of my other really close friends
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49:50
who's been in a bunch of Rachel's English videos,
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49:52
her name is Lynne, but we all call her Beads.
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49:55
I met her from a singing gig,
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49:57
and I think when you're in the arts
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50:00
and theater of the performing arts,
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50:01
you can make really, really amazing friends
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50:05
because obviously you have the same passion.
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ๆ˜Žใ‚‰ใ‹ ใซๅŒใ˜ๆƒ…็†ฑใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ๅ‹้”ใ‚’ไฝœใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
50:07
And then when you're in a production,
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50:08
you are just hanging out together all the time.
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50:12
- I would also say that when you're performing,
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50:14
you're constantly in a state of vulnerability
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50:17
alongside people too.
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50:18
- And that's interesting.
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50:20
Yeah, and people know what you're going through,
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50:21
like if you get sick.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ็—…ๆฐ—ใซใชใฃใŸๅ ดๅˆใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒไฝ•ใ‚’็ตŒ้จ“ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
50:24
As a singer, if you get a cold, your other friends are like,
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ๆญŒๆ‰‹ใจใ—ใฆใ€้ขจ้‚ชใ‚’ๅผ•ใ„ใŸๅ ดๅˆ ใ€ไป–ใฎๅ‹้”ใฏ
50:27
"Oh, it's fine, it's a cold, you'll be okay",
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ใ€Œใ‚ใ‚ใ€ๅคงไธˆๅคซใ€ ๅฏ’ใ„ใ€ๅคงไธˆๅคซใ ใ€ใจ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎ
50:30
whereas another singer knows, "Oh my gosh, that's gonna,
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ใซๅฏพใ—ใ€ๅˆฅใฎๆญŒๆ‰‹ใฏ ใ€ŒใŠใ‚„ใŠใ‚„ใ€
50:33
"yeah I'm gonna have to figure out how to work through that,
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ใใ†ใ ใญใ€ใจ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ€‚ ใ€Œใใ‚Œใฏ้›ฃใ—ใ„ใ ใ‚ ใ†ใ€ใจใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚’ใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๅ‡ฆ็†ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚’็†่งฃใ™ใ‚‹
50:35
"that's gonna be tough."
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ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
50:38
Yeah.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
50:39
Well David, it's been really interesting
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ใƒ‡ใƒ“ใƒƒใƒ‰
50:41
discussing friendships with you and just thinking about
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ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใจๅ‹ๆƒ…ใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ๅˆใฃ
50:44
how many times you might kind of reach out to somebody
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ใฆใ€่ชฐใ‹ใซๆ‰‹ใ‚’ๅทฎใ—ไผธในใฆใ€ใ‚‚ใฃใจไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’้–‹็™บใงใใ‚‹ไบบใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใ‚‹ๅ‰ใซใ€
50:49
and have them not be interested
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใ‚’ๆŒใŸใ›ใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒไฝ•ๅ›žใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚’่€ƒใˆใ‚‹ใฎใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„
50:51
before you find someone
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50:53
where you can develop something more.
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ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
50:55
And I'm really curious, is this very different
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€ ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ
50:58
from what people out there experience
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ใใ“ใซใ„ใ‚‹ไบบใ€…
51:00
in their own home culture, or is it pretty similar?
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ใŒๅฝผใ‚‰่‡ช่บซใฎๅฎถๅบญๆ–‡ๅŒ–ใง็ตŒ้จ“ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใจ้žๅธธใซ็•ฐใชใฃ ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ‹ใ€ใใ‚Œใจใ‚‚ใ‹ใชใ‚Šไผผใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
51:04
I wish that I had the chance to talk with other people
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51:07
from other cultures about this.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใซใคใ„ใฆไป–ใฎๆ–‡ๅŒ–ใฎไบบใ€…ใจ่ฉฑใ™ๆฉŸไผšใŒใ‚ใฃใŸใ‚‰ใ„ใ„ใฎใซใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
51:09
But thank you guys so much for listening
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใซ่žใ„
51:10
and thank you David for being here and sharing some about
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ใฆใใ‚Œใฆใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€ใใ—ใฆใƒ‡ใ‚คใƒ“ใƒƒใƒ‰ใŒ ใ“ใ“ใซใ„ใฆใ€
51:14
your life, your background,
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎไบบ็”Ÿใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ่ƒŒๆ™ฏใ€
51:16
and your perspective on friendships.
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ใใ—ใฆๅ‹ๆƒ…ใซใคใ„ใฆใฎใ‚ใชใŸใฎ่ฆ‹ๆ–นใซใคใ„ใฆใ„ใใคใ‹ๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใฆใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€‚
51:18
- Yeah, you're welcome, that was really fun.
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-ใˆใˆใ€ ใฉใ†ใ„ใŸใ—ใพใ—ใฆใ€ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๆฅฝใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใงใ™ใ€‚
51:20
- And thanks for the questions that got written in.
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-ใใ—ใฆใ€ ๆ›ธใ‹ใ‚ŒใŸ่ณชๅ•ใซๆ„Ÿ่ฌใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
51:23
Guys, if you would like to subscribe to this podcast,
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ใฟใ‚“ใชใ€ ใ“ใฎใƒใƒƒใƒ‰ใ‚ญใƒฃใ‚นใƒˆใ‚’่ณผ่ชญใ—
51:26
I hope you do.
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ใŸใ„ใฎใชใ‚‰ใ€็งใฏใ‚ใชใŸใŒใใ†ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๆœ›ใฟใพใ™ใ€‚
51:27
You can visit the iTunes Store or Stitcher to subscribe.
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iTunesStoreใพใŸใฏStitcherใซใ‚ขใ‚ฏใ‚ปใ‚นใ—ใฆ่ณผ่ชญใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
51:31
I would also love it if you would take the time
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ๆ™‚้–“
51:33
to leave a review there.
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ใ‚’ใ‹ใ‘ใฆใƒฌใƒ“ใƒฅใƒผใ‚’ๆฎ‹ใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใ ใ‘ใ‚Œใฐๅนธใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
51:34
You know what?
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ใ‚ใฎใญ๏ผŸ
51:35
Go do it right now.
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ไปŠใ™ใใ‚„ใฃใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
51:36
I read all of the reviews,
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็งใฏใ™ในใฆใฎใƒฌใƒ“ใƒฅใƒผใ‚’่ชญใฟใพใ—ใŸใ€
51:37
and I really love to hear what you think about the podcast.
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ใใ—ใฆ็งใฏใ‚ใชใŸใŒใƒใƒƒใƒ‰ใ‚ญใƒฃใ‚นใƒˆใซใคใ„ใฆใฉใ†ๆ€ใ†ใ‹ใ‚’่žใใฎใŒๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅคงๅฅฝใ ใงใ™ใ€‚
51:41
That's it for this week, we'll be back again next week.
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ไปŠ้€ฑใฏไปฅไธŠใงใ™ใ€‚ๆฅ้€ฑใพใŸๆˆปใฃใฆใใพใ™ใ€‚
51:44
Can't wait to talk to you guys.
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็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใจ่ฉฑใ™ใฎใŒๅพ…ใกใใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
51:46
See you soon.
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ใพใŸ่ฟ‘ใ„ใ†ใกใซใŠไผšใ„ใ—ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
51:47
- Bye, guys.
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- ใ˜ใ‚ƒใ‚ใญใฟใ‚“ใชใ€‚
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