LEARN HOW TO TRAVEL THE WORLD WITH TRAVEL WRITER ROLF POTTS โœˆ ๐Ÿ“– ๐Ÿ˜ | Go Natural English

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LEARN HOW TO TRAVEL THE WORLD WITH TRAVEL WRITER ROLF POTTS โœˆ ๐Ÿ“– ๐Ÿ˜ | Go Natural English

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ไธ‹ใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžๅญ—ๅน•ใ‚’ใƒ€ใƒ–ใƒซใ‚ฏใƒชใƒƒใ‚ฏใ™ใ‚‹ใจๅ‹•็”ปใ‚’ๅ†็”Ÿใงใใพใ™ใ€‚ ็ฟป่จณใ•ใ‚ŒใŸๅญ—ๅน•ใฏๆฉŸๆขฐ็ฟป่จณใงใ™ใ€‚

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Hey naturals Gabby Wallace here
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ใƒ˜ใ‚ค ใƒŠใƒใƒฅใƒฉใƒซใ‚บ ใ‚ฎใƒฃใƒ“ใƒผ ใ‚ฆใ‚ฉใƒฌใ‚น ใ“ใ“
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And I am super excited to bring you a very special conversation
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with one of my favorite travel writers in English Ralph Potts
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ใงใ€็งใฎใŠๆฐ—ใซๅ…ฅใ‚Šใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžใฎใƒˆใƒฉใƒ™ใƒซ ใƒฉใ‚คใ‚ฟใƒผใฎ 1 ไบบใจใฎ้žๅธธใซ็‰นๅˆฅใชไผš่ฉฑใ‚’ใŠๅฑŠใ‘ใงใใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’
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Ralph wrote a book that's been very influential in my life called
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้žๅธธใซ
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Vagabonding, and he's just published a new book called
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ๆฅฝใ—ใฟใซใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
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Souvenir so join us as we talk about our philosophy on travel
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ใŠใฟใ‚„ใ’ใงใ™ใฎใงใ€ๆ—…่กŒใซ้–ขใ™ใ‚‹็งใŸใกใฎๅ“ฒๅญฆใซใคใ„ใฆใŠ่ฉฑใ—ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ใœใฒใ”ๅ‚ๅŠ ใใ ใ•ใ„
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Language learning and where you can really see the real America and much more you're gonna love our
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่ชžๅญฆๅญฆ็ฟ’ใจใ€ๆœฌๅฝ“ใฎใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใ‚’ๅฎŸ้š›ใซ่ฆ‹ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ๅ ดๆ‰€ใชใฉใ€็งใŸใกใฎ
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Conversation so if you are an english learner and you would like to learn more
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ไผš่ฉฑใ‚’ๆฐ—ใซๅ…ฅใ‚‹ใฏใšใงใ™ใ€‚ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่‹ฑ่ชžๅญฆ็ฟ’่€…ใงใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎใŸใ‚ใซใ‚‚ใฃใจ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆใณใŸใ„
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english for your travels or your other english related goals in life make sure that you come visit gonaturalenglish.com
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ใชใ‚‰ ๆ—…่กŒใ‚„ไบบ็”ŸใซใŠใ‘ใ‚‹ใใฎไป–ใฎ่‹ฑ่ชž้–ข้€ฃใฎ็›ฎๆจ™ใฏใ€ๅฟ…ใš gonaturalenglish.com ใซใ‚ขใ‚ฏใ‚ปใ‚นใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ Go Natural
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Where you can learn more with the go natural English method the link is in the description gonaturalenglish.com
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English ใƒกใ‚ฝใƒƒใƒ‰ใง่ฉณ็ดฐใ‚’ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใงใใ‚‹ๅ ดๆ‰€ใฏใ€ใƒชใƒณใ‚ฏใŒ่ชฌๆ˜Ž
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I'll see you there now enjoy the conversation with travel author Ralph Potts
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ใซใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ gonaturalenglish.com ใงใฏใ€ๆ—…่กŒใจใฎไผš่ฉฑใ‚’ๆฅฝใ—ใ‚“ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ ่‘—่€… Ralph Potts
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Hey, Ralph, it's so good to have you here to have a conversation with you
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ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€Ralphใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใ“ใ“ใซๆฅใฆใ‚ใชใŸใจไผš่ฉฑใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎ
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I'm a huge fan of your work and reading your book
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ใฏใจใฆใ‚‚่‰ฏใ„ใ“ใจใงใ™ ็งใฏใ‚ใชใŸใฎไฝœๅ“ใฎๅคงใƒ•ใ‚กใƒณใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๆœฌใ‚’
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vagabonding years ago gave me the confidence to
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ไฝ•ๅนดใ‚‚ๅ‰ใซๆ”พๆตชใ—ใฆ่ชญใ‚“ใ ใ“ใจใŒ็งใซ่‡ชไฟกใ‚’ไธŽใˆใฆใใ‚Œใพใ—ใŸ
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Travel and explore the world independently, and I just want to bring you
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ไธ€ไบบใงไธ–็•Œใ‚’ๆ—…ใ—ใฆๆŽขๆคœใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ใ‚ใชใŸ
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to have a conversation and
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ใจไผš่ฉฑใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ€
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talk a little bit about traveling and
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ๆ—…่กŒใ€
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Exploring and language learning and your new book as well
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ๆŽขๆคœใ€่ชžๅญฆๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ€ใใ—ใฆใ‚ใชใŸใฎๆ–ฐใ—ใ„ๆœฌใซใคใ„ใฆๅฐ‘ใ—่ฉฑใ—ใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™.
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I'm super excited to hear what you have been working on recently and what you're excited about so
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆœ€่ฟ‘ๅ–ใ‚Š็ต„ใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’่žใ„ใฆใจใฆใ‚‚่ˆˆๅฅฎใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™.
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Thank you so much for joining me here. You bet I'm always love to talk about travel, so
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ใ“ใ“ใซๅ‚ๅŠ ใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใฆๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€‚ ใใฃใจ็งใฏใ„ใคใ‚‚ๆ—…่กŒใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ™ใฎใŒๅคงๅฅฝใใ ใ‹ใ‚‰
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Awesome very good, so yeah your your book vagabonding kind of opened the doors to travel
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็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ ใจใฆใ‚‚่‰ฏใ„ ใใ†ใใ† ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๆœฌใฎๆ”พๆตชใฏๆ—…่กŒใธใฎๆ‰‰ใ‚’้–‹ใ„ใŸ
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Just changing my mindset
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็งใฎ่€ƒใˆๆ–นใ‚’ๅค‰ใˆใŸใ ใ‘
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I think you know a lot of people as you know have this idea that travel is for
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ใงใ™ ๅคšใใฎไบบใŒๆ—…่กŒใซใคใ„ใฆใ“ใฎ่€ƒใˆใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ ใŠ
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Rich people or travel is for like when you retire
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้‡‘ๆŒใกใฎไบบๅ‘ใ‘ใ‹ใ€ๆ—…่กŒใฏ้€€่ทๆ™‚ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ‹ใ€
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Or it's not for me. It's not for the common person
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ใใ‚Œใจใ‚‚็งๅ‘ใ‘ใงใฏใชใ„ใ‹ใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใฏไธ€่ˆฌใฎไบบๅ‘ใ‘ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“
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And after reading your book it really changed my mindset. I remember. I started traveling at that time I
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ใใ—ใฆใ‚ใชใŸใฎๆœฌใ‚’่ชญใ‚“ใ ๅพŒใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ็งใฎ่€ƒใˆๆ–นใ‚’ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅค‰ใˆใพใ—ใŸ. ็งใฏ่ฆšใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ็งใฏใใฎๆ™‚ใซๆ—…่กŒใ‚’ๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚็ง
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also teaching abroad in Japan and I know you you started out your international travels in that way as well, right I
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ใฏๆ—ฅๆœฌใงๆตทๅค–ใงๆ•™ใˆใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ใ‚ใชใŸใ‚‚ใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๆตทๅค–ๆ—…่กŒใ‚’ๅง‹ใ‚ใŸใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™
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Did yeah?
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ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ
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Sort of with the idea to fund travel, but then of course as you know living overseas
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ๆ—…่กŒใซ่ณ‡้‡‘ใ‚’ๆไพ›ใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†่€ƒใˆใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใŒใ€ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€ๆตทๅค–ใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใจ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹
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You know you learn so much
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ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€
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Socio-culturally you learn to sort of internalize what it's like to be in another culture, which is something you can't grasp
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็คพไผšๆ–‡ๅŒ–็š„ใซๅคšใใฎใ“ใจใ‚’ๅญฆใณใ€ๅˆฅใฎๆ–‡ๅŒ–ใซใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ‹ใ‚’ๅ†…้ขๅŒ–ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๅญฆใณใพใ™ใ€‚
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Intellectually oh yeah, you can read all you want about another culture
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็Ÿฅๆ€ง็š„ใซใฏใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏไป–ใฎๆ–‡ๅŒ–ใซใคใ„ใฆๅฅฝใใชใ ใ‘่ชญใ‚€ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ—
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And you could like eat all the sushi you want
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ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๅฅฝใใชใ ใ‘ๅฏฟๅธใ‚’้ฃŸในใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒ
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But you'll never know what it's like to be in Japan or South Korea until you're actually there, right
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ใงใใพใ™ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใซใใ“ใซ่กŒใใพใงใ€ๆ—ฅๆœฌใ‚„้Ÿ“ๅ›ฝใŒใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ‹ใ‚’็Ÿฅใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
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Yeah, there an end to an extent making mistakes. You know and that's almost a word of encouragement
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้–“้•ใ„ใ‚’็Šฏใ™็จ‹ๅบฆใฎ็ต‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใ€‚ ใ”ๅญ˜็Ÿฅใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ใ“ใ‚ŒใฏใปใผๅŠฑใพใ—ใฎ่จ€่‘‰ใงใ™
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English you might have who are worried about that that it's three mistakes that you learn
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่‹ฑ่ชžใงๅญฆใถใฎใฏ 3 ใคใฎ้–“้•ใ„ใ ใจๅฟƒ้…ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œ
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you know you don't want to intentionally offend your your host culture but
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ใพใ›ใ‚“ใƒ›ใ‚นใƒˆใฎๆ–‡ๅŒ–ใ‚’ๆ•…ๆ„ใซๆ€’ใ‚‰ใ›ใŸใใชใ„ใ“ใจใฏใ‚ใ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€
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yeah, there's there's some like you said you can read all you want about a place, but until you're there and and sort of
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่จ€ใฃใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใซใงใใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ ๅ ดๆ‰€ใซใคใ„ใฆใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆœ›ใ‚€ใ™ในใฆใ‚’่ชญใ‚“ใงใใ ใ•ใ„, ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใใ“ใซ
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negotiating with the place
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็€ใ„ใฆใ€ใใฎๅ ดๆ‰€ใจไบคๆธ‰ใ™ใ‚‹ใพใงใฏใ€
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It's a completely different experience
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ใใ‚ŒใฏใพใฃใŸใๅˆฅใฎ็ตŒ้จ“
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I absolutely love that you just said making mistakes can be a good thing because that's what I always say to
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My language learners is that we need to make more mistakes. You know don't be afraid of that
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ใงใ™. ๅญฆ็ฟ’่€…ใฏใ€ใ‚‚ใฃใจ้–“้•ใ„ใ‚’็Šฏใ•ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใ‚’
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Maybe don't make the same mistake over and over and over, but you know make it learn from it, and that's really where you grow
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ๆใ‚Œใชใ„ใง ๅŒใ˜้Žใกใ‚’ไฝ•ๅบฆใ‚‚็นฐใ‚Š่ฟ”ใ•ใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ ใงใ‚‚ใใ“ใ‹ใ‚‰ๅญฆใฐใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ ใใ‚ŒใŒใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๆˆ้•ทใ™ใ‚‹ๅ ดๆ‰€ใ ใจ
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for sure yeah, and I think
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Travel or being in other cultures forces you to depend on that language a
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ๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ ๆ–‡ๅŒ–ใฏใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’ใใฎ่จ€่ชžใซไพๅญ˜ใ•ใ›ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’
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Corollary for me as Spanish I go to Latin American countries my Spanish is not that great
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ๅผทใ„ใ‚‹ ใ‚นใƒšใ‚คใƒณไบบใจใ—ใฆใฎ็ตๆžœ ็งใฏใƒฉใƒ†ใƒณใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซ่ซธๅ›ฝใซ่กŒใใพใ™ ็งใฎใ‚นใƒšใ‚คใƒณ่ชžใฏใใ‚ŒใปใฉไธŠๆ‰‹ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“
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But I'm forced to communicate it enough that I can
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็งใฏ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ่จ€ใ„ใŸใ„ใ“ใจใ‚’็†่งฃใงใใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซๅๅˆ†ใซไผใˆใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ไฝ™ๅ„€ใชใใ•ใ‚Œ
03:52
Get my point across. You know that I speak very poor Spanish
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ใฆใ„ใพใ™. ็งใŒใจใฆใ‚‚ไธ‹ๆ‰‹ใชใ‚นใƒšใ‚คใƒณ่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™
03:56
But I get there
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03:57
and I think it's through it's like it's not that I'm that great at Spanish still but
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ใซใŸใฉใ‚Š็€ใใพใ—ใŸ ใใ‚Œใฏ็งใŒใพใ ใ‚นใƒšใ‚คใƒณ่ชžใŒใใ‚ŒใปใฉไธŠๆ‰‹ใงใฏใชใ„ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ ใงใ‚‚
04:01
It's through speaking poorly that you that you learn to to keep improving that you
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒไธŠ้”ใ—็ถšใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๅญฆใถใฎใฏใ‚ใชใŸใŒใ†ใพใใ„ใใ“ใจใ‚’ๅญฆใถใฎใฏไธ‹ๆ‰‹ใช่ฉฑใ—ๆ–นใ‚’้€šใ—ใฆใ ใจ
04:07
You learn what works, and what doesn't and you begin to have a better ear for how people speak so?
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ๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ ใ€ใใ—ใฆใ€ไบบใ€…ใŒใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่ฉฑใ™ใ‹ใซใคใ„ใฆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ‚ˆใ‚Š่‰ฏใ„่€ณใ‚’ๆŒใกๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
04:14
Yeah, I can't say enough good things about being
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04:17
fearless enough to make those mistakes
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ใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎ้–“้•ใ„ใ‚’็Šฏใ™ใปใฉๅคง่ƒ†
04:20
And there and and on and on the matter of fear
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04:23
I think often times people there's a lot of fears at least in the United States. I know that not all of your
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ไธๆ•ตใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใคใ„ใฆๅๅˆ†ใซ่‰ฏใ„ใ“ใจใ‚’่จ€ใ†ใ“ใจใฏใงใใพใ›ใ‚“. ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ่ด่ก†ใฎใ™ในใฆใŒ็ฑณๅ›ฝใซๆ‹ ็‚นใ‚’็ฝฎใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ใ‘ใงใฏใชใ„ใ“ใจใฏ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€
04:29
Your audience is based in the United States, but there's a lot of fears attached to travel
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ๆ—…่กŒใซใฏๅคšใใฎๆใ‚ŒใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™
04:36
Dangers expenses
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ๅฑ้™บใช่ฒป็”จ
04:39
But that I think that ties into this idea that travel is something that you buy you that you buy this
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใ€ๆ—…่กŒใฏใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่ฒทใ†ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’่ฒทใ†ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใฎ่€ƒใˆใซ็ตใณใคใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
04:45
Smooth-edged travel experience, and then you approach it as a consumer
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ใ‚จใƒƒใ‚ธใฎๅŠนใ„ใŸๆ—…่กŒไฝ“้จ“ใ€ใใ—ใฆใ‚ใชใŸใฏๆถˆ่ฒป่€…ใจใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใซใ‚ขใƒ—ใƒญใƒผใƒ
04:49
Where as I say in vagabond and you really it's something you give to yourself. It's something. You'll allow yourself to have
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ใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚็งใŒใƒใ‚ฌใƒœใƒณใƒ‰ใง่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๅฎŸ้š›ใซใฏใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใซไธŽใˆใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™. ใใ‚Œใฏไฝ•ใ‹ใ€‚
04:54
and if you can get past those initially
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04:57
expenses if you can
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04:59
Sidestep those fears and just realize that the fears are not as realistic as you might think they are then
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ใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎๆๆ€–ใ‚’ๅ›ž้ฟใ—ใ€ๆๆ€–ใŒใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใปใฉ็พๅฎŸ็š„ใงใฏใชใ„ใ“ใจใซๆฐ—ไป˜ใใ“ใจใŒ
05:04
You could you can be in the world and and be growing and living an exciting life. Yeah, absolutely
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ใงใใ‚Œใฐใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎๅˆๆœŸ่ฒป็”จใ‚’ไน—ใ‚Š่ถŠใˆใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™. ๆˆ้•ทใ—ใ€ใ‚จใ‚ญใ‚ตใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒณใ‚ฐใชไบบ็”Ÿใ‚’้€ใ‚‹ใ€‚ ใˆใˆใ€
05:11
Absolutely let me ask you a little bit about the difference between
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ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚ๆ—…่กŒใจใƒใ‚ฌใƒœใƒณใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใƒณใ‚ฐใฎ้•ใ„ใซใคใ„ใฆๅฐ‘ใ—ใŠ่žใใ—
05:16
traveling and
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05:17
Vagabonding I know you've probably explained this thousands of times, but for someone who may not be familiar with your work
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ใŸใ„ใฎใงใ™ใŒใ€ใŠใใ‚‰ใใ“ใ‚Œใฏไฝ•ๅƒๅ›žใ‚‚่ชฌๆ˜Žใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎไป•ไบ‹ใซ่ฉณใ—ใใชใ„ไบบใฎใŸใ‚ใซ
05:23
I mean, what's the difference between the two?
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ใ€2 ใคใฎ้•ใ„ใฏไฝ•ใงใ™ใ‹? ?
05:27
Well vagabond is a subset of travel
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ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ๆ”พๆตชใฏๆ—…่กŒใฎใ‚ตใƒ–ใ‚ปใƒƒใƒˆใงใ™
05:29
Like philosophically, I think travel is something that can happen when you walk to the corner store. You know or talk to your neighbors
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ๅ“ฒๅญฆใจๅŒใ˜ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ๆ—…่กŒใฏ่ง’ใฎๅบ—ใซๆญฉใ„ใŸใจใใซ่ตทใ“ใ‚Šๅพ—ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ่ฟ‘ๆ‰€ใฎไบบใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ€่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใŒ
05:37
But vagabonding is is long-term travel. It's about taking time off
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ใ€ๆ”พๆตชใฏ้•ทๆœŸใฎๆ—…่กŒใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ€‚ ใใ‚Œ
05:40
you're away from your normal life to travel for an extended period of time so it's not just
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ใฏใ€้€šๅธธใฎ็”Ÿๆดปใ‹ใ‚‰้›ขใ‚Œใฆ้•ทๆœŸ้–“ๆ—…่กŒใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซไผ‘ๆš‡ใ‚’ๅ–ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ๅ˜ใซ
05:45
Taking vacation time or yeah holiday time from work to travel. It's it's actually taking time off and
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ไผ‘ๆš‡ใ‚’ๅ–ใฃใŸใ‚Šใ€ไป•ไบ‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ไผ‘ๆš‡ใ‚’ๅ–ใฃใฆๆ—…่กŒใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“. ใใ‚ŒใฏๅฎŸ้š›ใซไผ‘ๆš‡ใ‚’ๅ–ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ‚ใ‚Š
05:53
Sort of dedicating a portion of your life to traveling long term in a slow and meaningful way
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ใ€ไบบ็”Ÿใฎไธ€้ƒจใ‚’ใ‚†ใฃใใ‚Šใจๆœ‰ๆ„็พฉใชๆ–นๆณ•ใง้•ทๆœŸๆ—…่กŒใซๆงใ’ใฆใ„ใ‚‹
05:58
and I don't think that there's a hard and fast rule for how long that is a
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ใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒใฉใฎใใ‚‰ใ„ใฎๆœŸ้–“ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใซใคใ„ใฆๅŽณๅฏ†ใง่ฟ…้€ŸใชใƒซใƒผใƒซใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใฏๆ€ใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“
06:03
Lot of people will set a year aside. That's a great
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ๅคšใใฎไบบใŒ ๅนดใฏใ•ใฆใŠใใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„
06:06
Increment of time, but I think you can go vagabonding in six weeks
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ๆ™‚้–“ใฎๅข—ๅŠ ใงใ™ใŒใ€็งใฏใ‚ใชใŸใŒ6้€ฑ้–“ใงๆ”พๆตชใซ่กŒใใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ
06:09
You can go back about in for six years, so it's long-term travel in whatever
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6ๅนด้–“ๆˆปใฃใฆใใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ
06:14
fits your
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ
06:16
Interests and capabilities, and it's it's not really a contest
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่ˆˆๅ‘ณใจ่ƒฝๅŠ›ใซๅˆใฃใŸ้•ทๆœŸๆ—…่กŒใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ใใ‚ŒใฏๅฎŸ้š›ใซใฏ
06:20
It doesn't matter how long you travel or how many countries you visit, but it's just about how?
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ใ‚ณใƒณใƒ†ใ‚นใƒˆใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“. ใฉใ‚Œใ ใ‘้•ทใๆ—…่กŒใ—ใŸใ‹ใ€ไฝ•ใ‚ซๅ›ฝใ‚’่จชใ‚ŒใŸใ‹ใฏ้–ขไฟ‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใงใ™ใ‹?
06:25
how engaged you are and how open you are to the world and and
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใฉใ‚Œใ ใ‘็†ฑๅฟƒใงใ€ใฉใ‚Œใ ใ‘ไธ–็•Œใซๅฏพใ—ใฆใ‚ชใƒผใƒ—ใƒณใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ€
06:29
And really just being in a different mindset than you are at home
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใซใฏใ€ๅฎถใซใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใจใฏ็•ฐใชใ‚‹่€ƒใˆๆ–นใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€‚
06:34
Allowing yourself to be a full-time traveler for a while
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ใ—ใฐใ‚‰ใใฎ้–“ใ€ใƒ•ใƒซใ‚ฟใ‚คใƒ ใฎๆ—…่กŒ่€…ใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’่จฑๅฏใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
06:36
I love that a lot of people assume that this is for gap year like when you graduate college
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ๅคงๅญฆใ‚’ๅ’ๆฅญใ™ใ‚‹ใจใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚ฎใƒฃใƒƒใƒ—ใ‚คใƒคใƒผใฎใŸใ‚ใซ
06:42
You take a year to travel the world, and then you need to get to work
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ไธ–็•Œไธญใ‚’ๆ—…ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใซ1ๅนดใ‹ใ‹ใ‚Šใ€ใใ‚Œใ‹ใ‚‰ไป•ไบ‹ใซๅฐฑใ‹ใชใ‘ใ‚Œ
06:46
That's just what you do, but it's not just for what 22 year olds right? I mean obviously
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ใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ๆ˜Žใ‚‰ใ‹
06:52
I'm not 22 you're not
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ใซ็งใฏ 22 ๆญณใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
06:54
You still travel right?
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใพใ ๆ—…่กŒไธญใงใ™ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ
06:56
Yeah, and that's something that I have
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ใˆใˆใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ็งใŒๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™.
06:59
Since the book has come out that the culture has shifted a bit so that it's less weird for non 22 year olds to travel
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ๆœฌใŒๅ‡บใฆไปฅๆฅใ€ๆ–‡ๅŒ–ใŒๅฐ‘ใ—ๅค‰ๅŒ–ใ—ใŸใŸใ‚ใ€22ๆญณไปฅๅค–
07:06
sort of in that in a I
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ใฎไบบใŒใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชๅ ดๆ‰€ใ‚’ๆ—…่กŒใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใใ‚Œใปใฉๅฅ‡ๅฆ™ใงใฏใชใใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸ.
07:08
Did another interview recently about digital nomadism which was a term that didn't exist when I first wrote vagabonding?
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07:15
I think it's come since you know that like the social media world has grown
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07:19
to accommodate
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07:21
being able to work from overseas so
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07:24
You know obviously there's people in their 20s 30s 40s 50s who take career breaks who take sabbaticals, but also people who?
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07:32
Just sort of make their work portable mm-hm
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07:36
they
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07:37
In the winter they go to Rio or Cape Town or Hawaii, and they they work through their computer
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07:43
And they find ways to make it work and a core philosophy of Agra
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07:46
By name is the idea that your time is your truest form of wealth you know that
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07:50
if you shift things in life and just don't
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07:54
prioritize
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07:56
material wealth and
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็‰ฉ่ณช็š„ใชๅฏŒใ‚„
07:57
Status then you can find all kinds of time to travel and live in
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ใ‚นใƒ†ใƒผใ‚ฟใ‚นใ‚’ๅ„ชๅ…ˆใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใ€ใ‚ใ‚‰ใ‚†ใ‚‹็จฎ้กžใฎๆ—…่กŒใ‚„็”Ÿๆดปใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™
08:01
Live a more interesting life and billionaires, who are you know burdened down by mansions and jet planes all right?
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08:07
I think it really is about prioritizing as far as you know affording to travel
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08:13
It's about prioritizing
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08:16
putting some savings toward travel as opposed to
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08:20
whatever
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08:21
Other things you could spend money on so I know a lot of people would say well sure you can afford to travel
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08:27
But what about the rest of us?
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08:28
I mean, maybe they think that someone who travels is rich
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08:31
But maybe we've just prioritized it so do you have maybe some quick tips for people to afford travel?
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08:38
I know there's a lot of different ways, but maybe for someone who is just wondering how can I afford that?
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08:45
Well one that is it one thing that isn't even financial is just decide that you're gonna
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08:49
Do it right you can keep relegating your travels to the future, but if you say I'm gonna do it
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08:54
And I want to you know depends on your situation, but even if you don't have a lot of money
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08:57
You can say in two years
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08:58
I'm gonna be on the road and then suddenly it becomes real
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09:01
And then and then maybe if you if you tell some people who can keep you honest that way and then suddenly
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09:07
You can find all this wealth in
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09:10
in your day, you know I
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09:13
I'm in New York right now for the next six weeks and sometimes I go down to get a cup of coffee
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09:17
You know by the time I tip the barista. It's like $4 as well. You know
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ใƒใƒชใ‚นใ‚ฟใซใƒใƒƒใƒ—ใ‚’ๆธกใ™ใจใใ€‚ ใ“ใกใ‚‰ใ‚‚4ใƒ‰ใƒซใใ‚‰ใ„ใ€‚ ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹
09:22
or $6 I can get ahold Cardinale coffee and drink them out of my heart bingo mug and
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09:28
Then week by week. I've saved a lot of money, so I think that there's ways I
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09:33
My sister cuts my hair when I'm back home in Kansas for free right so I think your daily routine
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09:41
You mates you may end up finding ways to save $10 a day, but what happens by the end of the month
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09:46
Well you saved a fair amount of money. You know
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09:49
and
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09:51
So really I think that that
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09:53
Once-once travel in your future becomes real you just you start making decisions that prioritize
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10:00
that future experience and you realize that you're often throwing money at
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10:05
Situations at home that you don't need to and I'm consumed just by scaling back your routine you
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10:12
Have a lot more money to save
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10:13
Or there may be opportunities to go work abroad you know like we mentioned going to teach English abroad or maybe
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10:20
Teaching your native language. Whatever it may be or something completely different
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. ใใ‚ŒใŒไฝ•ใงใ‚ใ‚Œใ€ใพใฃใŸใ้•ใ†
10:23
There's a lot of jobs that you can do abroad or volunteering and really cutting costs
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10:29
You're in New York City, and I know you were just in Hawaii, and I know you've traveled a lot of the u.s.
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10:36
For a foreigner who wants to travel in the u.s.. And see the real America
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10:42
This is kind of a fluted question
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10:44
but right
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10:45
Would you tell them is New York the place to go because that's kind of where everyone thinks that they should go you know so
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ใงใ™.ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๅฝผใ‚‰ใซ่กŒใในใๅ ดๆ‰€ใฏใƒ‹ใƒฅใƒผใƒจใƒผใ‚ฏใ ใจ่จ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
10:51
Let's say someone from Brazil or someone from Japan and they want to see
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10:56
America I mean
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10:58
What would you tell them?
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11:00
Well, I'm not gonna not New York is it's a great world city you know
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ใพใ‚ใ€็งใฏใƒ‹ใƒฅใƒผใƒจใƒผใ‚ฏใซ่กŒใใคใ‚‚ใ‚Šใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“.ใƒ‹ใƒฅใƒผใƒจใƒผใ‚ฏใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ไธ–็•Œ้ƒฝๅธ‚ใงใ™.
11:03
I it's one of my favorite cities in the world actually, but really people who come to the United States
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็งใฏๅฎŸ้š›ใซไธ–็•Œใง็งใฎใŠๆฐ—ใซๅ…ฅใ‚Šใฎ้ƒฝๅธ‚ใฎ1ใคใงใ™ใŒใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใซ็ฑณๅ›ฝใซๆฅใ‚‹ไบบใ€…
11:08
They go to New York
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ใฏใƒ‹ใƒฅใƒผใƒจใƒผใ‚ฏ
11:10
and maybe do a side trip to DC or
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ใซ่กŒใใ€ใŠใใ‚‰ใๅฏ„ใ‚Š้“ใ‚’ใ—ใพใ™. DCใ‚„
11:13
Philadelphia or something they often go to Florida a lot of Europeans go to Florida for the sunshine
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ใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒฉใƒ‡ใƒซใƒ•ใ‚ฃใ‚ขใชใฉใซใ‚ˆใ่กŒใใพใ™ ใƒ•ใƒญใƒชใƒ€ใซใฏๅคšใใฎใƒจใƒผใƒญใƒƒใƒ‘ไบบใŒๆ—ฅๅ…‰ๆตดใ‚’ๆฑ‚ใ‚ใฆใƒ•ใƒญใƒชใƒ€ใซ
11:18
People go do a West Coast trips will they'll do la Vegas, San Francisco
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่กŒใใพใ™ ไบบใ€…ใฏ่ฅฟๆตทๅฒธใซๆ—…่กŒใซ่กŒใใพใ™ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใƒฉใ‚นใƒ™ใ‚ฌใ‚นใ‚„ใ‚ตใƒณใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚ทใ‚นใ‚ณใซ่กŒใใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†
11:25
But
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11:27
You really sell yourself short if you're hopping from city to city, right?
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใ‹ใ‚‰้ฃ›ใณ้™ใ‚Šใ‚‹ใชใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใ‚’ๅฃฒใ‚Š้ฃ›ใฐใ—ใพใ™ ้ƒฝๅธ‚ใ‹ใ‚‰้ƒฝๅธ‚ใธใงใ™ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ
11:31
You're only going to two places that you've heard about already. I'm a huge fan in the United States
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ใ™ใงใซ่žใ„ใŸใ“ใจใฎใ‚ใ‚‹ 2 ใคใฎๅ ดๆ‰€ใซ่กŒใใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€‚ ็งใฏใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใฎๅคงใƒ•ใ‚กใƒณใงใ™
11:36
You have to do a road trip. It's worth. Whatever it costs to rent or buy a car and drive around and
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ใ€‚ใƒญใƒผใƒ‰ใƒˆใƒชใƒƒใƒ—ใ‚’ใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใฏไพกๅ€คใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ ่ปŠใ‚’ใƒฌใƒณใ‚ฟใƒซใ—ใŸใ‚Š่ณผๅ…ฅใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ€่ปŠใ‚’้‹่ปขใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใซใ‹ใ‹ใ‚‹่ฒป็”จใฏใ„ใใ‚‰ใงใ‚‚ใ€
11:43
America has these great
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ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใซใฏใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„
11:45
Interstate highways but get off the interstate highways drive on little roads go to small towns, and I'm from Kansas, which it's it's funny
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ๅทž้–“้ซ˜้€Ÿ้“่ทฏใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใŒใ€ๅทž้–“้ซ˜้€Ÿ้“่ทฏใ‚’้™ใ‚Šใฆๅฐใ•ใช้“่ทฏใ‚’่ตฐใ‚Šใ€ๅฐใ•ใช็”บใซ่กŒใใพใ™ใ€‚็งใฏใ‚ซใƒณใ‚ถใ‚นๅทžๅ‡บ่บซ
11:52
You're you're near, Kansas. Yeah
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11:55
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11:57
Think in places where
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11:59
This holds true everywhere actually if you go to places that other tourists
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ไป–ใฎ่ฆณๅ…‰ๅฎขใŒ่กŒใใ‚ˆใ†ใชๅ ดๆ‰€ใซ่กŒใฃใŸใ‚‰ ใฉใ“ใซใงใ‚‚ๅฝ“ใฆใฏใพใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ†
12:03
Don't go local people just have more time for you and more interest in you
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่กŒใ‹ใชใ„ใง ๅœฐๅ…ƒใฎไบบใ€…ใฏใ‚ใชใŸใฎใŸใ‚ใซใ‚‚ใฃใจๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’ๅ‰ฒใใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใซใ‚‚ใฃใจ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹
12:07
and so you go to the little cafe in a town of 500 people and you're Japanese or
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ใฎใงใ€500 ไบบใฎ็”บใฎๅฐใ•ใชใ‚ซใƒ•ใ‚งใซ่กŒใ ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๆ—ฅๆœฌไบบใ€
12:14
German or Australian and suddenly you're the most interesting person in the city right yeah, and
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ใƒ‰ใ‚คใƒ„ไบบใ€ใ‚ชใƒผใ‚นใƒˆใƒฉใƒชใ‚ขไบบใงใ€็ช็„ถใ‚ใชใŸใฏ่ก—ใงๆœ€ใ‚‚่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ไบบ็‰ฉใซใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸ.
12:20
So I think that that's that's a way to get out of what I call in vagabonding the tourist matrix
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ใใ†ใงใ™.
12:26
And there's nothing wrong with that, but a lot of your experiences are kind of prepared for you
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ€ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่ฆณๅ…‰ๅœฐใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใชใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ็ตŒ้จ“ใฎๅคšใใฏใ‚ใชใŸใฎใŸใ‚ใซไธ€็จฎใฎๆบ–ๅ‚™ใŒใงใ
12:31
if you're seeing the sights air-quote the sights in countries whereas if you're just
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ใฆใ„ใพใ™.
12:36
Driving around and it's just like here's a town on the map
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12:39
I'm gonna go to boring, Oregon because that's a funny sounding name, and you just go and see what's in boring, Oregon
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go to Boring, Oregon ใใ‚ŒใฏใŠใ‹ใ—ใช้Ÿฟใใฎๅๅ‰ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€่กŒใฃใฆ้€€ๅฑˆใฎไธญ่บซใ‚’่ฆ‹ใซ่กŒใใ ใ‘ใ . Oregon
12:45
Taking small highways, and it's just amazing how I mean using my home state as an example
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ๅฐใ•ใช้ซ˜้€Ÿ้“่ทฏใ‚’ไพ‹ใซใจใ‚‹ใจใ€ใ‚ซใƒณใ‚ถใ‚นๅทžใฏ้€€ๅฑˆใชๅ ดๆ‰€ใจ่ฆ‹ใชใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ไพ‹ใจใ—ใฆ็งใฎๆ•…้ƒทใฎๅทžใ‚’ไฝฟ็”จใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๆ„ๅ‘ณใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใฏ้ฉšใในใใ“ใจใงใ™.
12:51
Kansas is seen as a boring place because people take interstate 78 to get to Colorado and it gets very flat and and people get
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ๅทž้–“้ซ˜้€Ÿ้“่ทฏ 78 ๅท็ทšใ‚’ๅˆฉ็”จใ—ใฆใ‚ณใƒญใƒฉใƒ‰ๅทžใซ่กŒใใจ v ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ ้žๅธธใซๅนณใ‚‰ใงใ€ไบบใ€…
12:57
Tired of driving in Kansas, it's actually. There's some. There's some beautiful parts of Kansas
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ใฏใ‚ซใƒณใ‚ถใ‚นใงใฎ้‹่ปขใซใ†ใ‚“ใ–ใ‚Šใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ„ใใคใ‹ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚ซใƒณใ‚ถใ‚นใซใฏ็พŽใ—ใ„ใจใ“ใ‚ใŒใ„ใใคใ‹ใ‚ใ‚Š
13:01
Who if you get off i-70?
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ใพใ™ i-70 ใ‚’้™ใ‚ŠใŸใ‚‰่ชฐ๏ผŸ
13:03
Or just interesting parts of Kansas that are that are rural and not places that you would ever see in a guidebook
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ใพใŸใฏใ€ใ‚ซใƒณใ‚ถใ‚นๅทžใฎ็”ฐ่ˆŽใงใ€ใ‚ฌใ‚คใƒ‰ใƒ–ใƒƒใ‚ฏใง่ฆ‹ใŸใ“ใจใฎใชใ„ๅ ดๆ‰€ใงใ‚ใ‚‹่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„้ƒจๅˆ†ใ ใ‘
13:10
And it is one thing to go. There's some great museums in in New York like the Museum of Natural History the Met
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ใงใ™ใ€‚ ใƒ‹ใƒฅใƒผใƒจใƒผใ‚ฏใซใฏใƒกใƒˆใƒญใƒใƒชใ‚ฟใƒณ่‡ช็„ถๅฒๅš็‰ฉ้คจใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใช็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ๅš็‰ฉ้คจใŒใ„ใใคใ‹ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ ใคใพใ‚Šใ€
13:16
I mean there's dozens of good museums
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13:19
But if you go to the little County Museum in a rural part of America you can bet that curator is gonna
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ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ ใงใ‚‚ใ€ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใฎ็”ฐ่ˆŽใซใ‚ใ‚‹ๅฐใ•ใชใ‚ซใ‚ฆใƒณใƒ†ใ‚ฃๅš็‰ฉ้คจใซ่กŒใ‘ใฐใ€ๅญฆ่Šธๅ“กใŒใใฃใจใใ†ใ™ใ‚‹
13:25
You know talk your ear off. You know because the little Curie I create curator in Minneapolis, Kansas doesn't usually get
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ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ† ่€ณใ‚’ๅ‚พใ‘ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ ใ‚ชใƒ•ใ€‚ ็งใŒใ‚ซใƒณใ‚ถใ‚นๅทžใƒŸใƒใ‚ขใƒใƒชใ‚นใงใ‚ญใƒฅใƒฌใƒผใ‚ฟใƒผใ‚’ไฝœใฃใŸๅฐใ•ใชใ‚ญใƒฅใƒชใƒผใฏใ€้€šๅธธ
13:33
travelers from
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13:35
Korea or China or Brazil or wherever
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้Ÿ“ๅ›ฝใ€ไธญๅ›ฝใ€ใƒ–ใƒฉใ‚ธใƒซใ€ใพใŸใฏใฉใ“ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ‚‚ๆ—…่กŒ่€…ใ‚’ๅพ—ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“
13:38
And they can take an interest in you in a way that
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏๅคงใใชใƒกใƒˆใƒญใƒใƒชใ‚ฟใƒณ็พŽ่ก“้คจใฎใ‚ญใƒฅใƒฌใƒผใ‚ฟใƒผใŒ่ฉฑใ™ใ“ใจใŒใงใใชใ„ๆ–นๆณ•ใงใ‚ใชใŸใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใ‚’ๆŒใคใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™.
13:42
the curator at a big
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13:44
Metropolitan Museum can't talk yeah, and so I could preach about this forever, but
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ใˆใˆใ€ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰็งใฏใ“ใ‚Œใซใคใ„ใฆๆฐธ้ ใซ่ชฌๆ•™ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ—ใŸใŒใ€
13:50
I was just gonna add you know if you go
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ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใ‚นใƒผใซ่กŒใใชใ‚‰ใ€
13:53
Sue let's say I'm Brazilian and I go to New York
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็งใฏใƒ–ใƒฉใ‚ธใƒซไบบใงใƒ‹ใƒฅใƒผใƒจใƒผใ‚ฏใซ่กŒใ
13:55
It's very easy to find other Brazilians, and you kind of naturally gravitate toward people from your country
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ใจใ—ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†. ไป–ใฎใƒ–ใƒฉใ‚ธใƒซไบบใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใ‚‹ใฎใฏใจใฆใ‚‚็ฐกๅ˜ใงใ™. ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๅ›ฝใฎไบบใ€…
14:02
I mean it happens to Americans it happens to everyone and so it's too easy
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็งใฏใใ‚ŒใŒใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซไบบใซ่ตทใ“ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๆ„ๅ‘ณใ—ใพใ™ ใใ‚Œใฏใ™ในใฆใฎไบบใซ่ตทใ“ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ใ‚ใพใ‚Šใซใ‚‚
14:05
To just fall in with that crowd and speak your native language and not really have
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็ฐกๅ˜ใงใ™ ใใฎ็พค่ก†ใจไปฒ่‰ฏใใชใ‚Šใ€ๆฏๅ›ฝ่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ใ ใ‘ใงใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใซ
14:10
An American experience whatever that may be so I'm a fan of telling people yeah, go to, Kansas
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ใฏใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใฎ็ตŒ้จ“ใŒไฝ•ใงใ‚ใ‚Œใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒไฝ•ใงใ‚ใ‚Œใ€็งใฏ่ฉฑใ™ใฎใŒๅฅฝใใงใ™ ใˆใˆใ€ใ‚ซใƒณใ‚ถใ‚นๅทžใซ่กŒใฃใฆ
14:16
It's boring and that's what you want like that's exactly what you want to experience
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14:21
Yeah, there's an old onion headline that says semester abroad spent
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ใˆใˆใ€ๅคใ„ใ‚ฟใƒžใƒใ‚ฎใฎ่ฆ‹ๅ‡บใ—ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ๆตทๅค–ใงใฎๅญฆๆœŸ
14:26
Hanging out with other Americans in Barcelona right you know
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ใฏใƒใƒซใ‚ปใƒญใƒŠใงไป–ใฎใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซไบบใจใถใ‚‰ใถใ‚‰ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„
14:33
You might think of those as training wheels experience
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ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใƒˆใƒฌใƒผใƒ‹ใƒณใ‚ฐ ng wheel experience
14:36
And I'm by training wheels I mean when you're a child you have training wheels on your bicycle
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใฏ่ฃœๅŠฉ่ผชใฎใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ๅญไพ›ใฎ้ ƒใฏ่‡ช่ปข่ปŠใซ่ฃœๅŠฉ่ผชใŒไป˜ใ„ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
14:39
And then once you learn to ride the bicycle you don't have to have the training wheels anymore
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14:43
and
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14:44
Sure start in New York hang out with some Brazilians
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14:48
but then
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14:50
Then you have to sort of jump into that
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ใพใ™ใŒใ€ใใฎๅพŒใ€ใใฎ
14:52
Vulnerability into that fear zone where you're not gonna fall back you. There's no Portuguese to speak
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่„†ๅผฑๆ€งใซ้ฃ›ใณ่พผใ‚“ใงใ€ๅพŒ้€€ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฎใชใ„ๆๆ€–ใฎใ‚พใƒผใƒณใซๅ…ฅใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
14:58
Outside of these big cities with with immigrant populations, and so you just go and and you start engaging with people and you
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็งปๆฐ‘ไบบๅฃใฎๅคšใ„ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎๅคง้ƒฝๅธ‚ใฎๅค–ใงใฏใ€่ฉฑใ›ใ‚‹ใƒใƒซใƒˆใ‚ฌใƒซ่ชžใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใŸใ ่กŒใฃใฆไบบใ€…ใจ้–ขใ‚ใ‚Šๅง‹ใ‚ใ€
15:05
Americans love a smile. It's funny. We smile a lot. It's kind of
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ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซไบบใฏ็ฌ‘้ก”ใŒๅคงๅฅฝใใงใ™ใ€‚ ใใ‚ŒใฏใŠใ‹ใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚ ็งใŸใกใฏใ‚ˆใ็ฌ‘ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
15:11
Yeah, and and we sort of we recognize
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ใˆใˆใ€ใใ—ใฆ็งใŸใกใฏ่ช่ญ˜ใ—ใฆใ„
15:14
You know even the air quotes weirdest foreigner if they have a big smile
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ใพใ™ๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒๆบ€้ขใฎ็ฌ‘ใฟใ‚’ๆตฎใ‹ในใฆใ„ใ‚Œใฐใ€็ฉบๆฐ—ใงใ•ใˆๆœ€ใ‚‚ๅฅ‡ๅฆ™ใชๅค–ๅ›ฝไบบใ‚’ๅผ•็”จใ—
15:18
And they're friendly and they're trying to speak people will will be charmed, and they'll they'll help you out
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ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใใ—ใฆๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏๅ‹ๅฅฝ็š„ใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ่ฉฑใใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ไบบใ€…ใฏ้ญ…ไบ†ใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€ใใ—ใฆๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใใ†ใ™ใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†.
15:22
Even if your English is it perfect. Yeah absolutely so that kind of leads me to another question
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžใŒๅฎŒ็’งใงใ‚ใฃใฆใ‚‚ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’ๅŠฉใ‘ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใˆใˆใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ็งใ‚’ๅˆฅใฎ่ณชๅ•ใซๅฐŽใใพใ™
15:27
I wanted to ask you about how to connect with local peep because I think especially in the last few years
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ใƒญใƒผใ‚ซใƒซใƒ”ใƒผใƒ—ใจๆŽฅ็ถšใ™ใ‚‹ๆ–นๆณ•ใซใคใ„ใฆใŠ่žใใ—ใŸใ‹ใฃใŸใฎใงใ™ใŒใ€็‰นใซใ“ใ“ๆ•ฐๅนดใฏใ€
15:33
Everyone is you know looking down at their phone
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่ชฐใ‚‚ใŒ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ้›ป่ฉฑใ‚’่ฆ‹ไธ‹ใ‚ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™
15:35
And it I feel like it's a little harder to talk to strangers because a lot of people on the train or in the coffee
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใ‚Œใฏๅฐ‘ใ—้›ฃใ—ใ„ใ‚ˆใ†ใซๆ„Ÿใ˜ใพใ™ ้›ป่ปŠใ‚„ๅ–ซ่Œถๅบ—ใงไบบใŒๅคšใ„ใฎใงใ€่ฆ‹็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใฌไบบใจ่ฉฑใ‚’ใ—ใŸใ‚Š
15:41
Shop, or. You know public places where you might meet people are?
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ใ€ใพใŸใฏ. ไบบใซไผšใ†ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใฎใ‚ใ‚‹ๅ…ฌๅ…ฑใฎๅ ดๆ‰€ใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
15:46
Looking at social media, and I love social media
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ใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚ทใƒฃใƒซ ใƒกใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใ‚ขใ‚’่ฆ‹ใ‚‹ใจใ€็งใฏใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚ทใƒฃใƒซ ใƒกใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใ‚ขใŒๅคงๅฅฝใใงใ™ใ€‚ใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚ทใƒฃใƒซ ใƒกใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใ‚ข
15:48
There's a lot of a lot of benefits to using it also to connect to people but I mean how do you?
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15:55
Connect with people in real life these days
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15:59
That's a good question
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16:00
And that's that's something else that has really shifted since I started traveling and I give some advice in vagabonding like
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ็งใŒๆ—…่กŒใ‚’ๅง‹ใ‚ใฆใ‹ใ‚‰ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅค‰ๅŒ–ใ—ใŸใ‚‚ใ†1ใคใฎใ“ใจ
16:08
Find a sports game. You know
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ใงใ™. ใ‚นใƒใƒผใƒ„ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ‚’ๆŽขใ™. ใ”ๅญ˜็Ÿฅใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€
16:12
Talk and I I'm talking to American travelers usually so I say find some kids who are staying English?
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ใƒˆใƒผใ‚ฏใจ็งใฏ้€šๅธธใ€ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซไบบๆ—…่กŒ่€…ใจ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€่‹ฑ่ชžใซๆปžๅœจใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅญไพ›ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใ‚‹ใจ่จ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
16:17
And and you know throw out some phrases at them
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๅฝผใ‚‰ใซใ„ใใคใ‹ใฎใƒ•ใƒฌใƒผใ‚บใ‚’ๆŠ•ใ’ใ‹ใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™
16:20
Just actually ask a dumb question
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ๅฎŸ้š›ใซๆ„šใ‹ใช่ณชๅ•ใ‚’ใ—
16:22
You know oftentimes if you're an outsider you have an advantage over a local person because you can just say hey
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ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ้ƒจๅค–่€…ใงใ‚ใ‚Œใฐใ€ๅœฐๅ…ƒใฎไบบใ‚ˆใ‚Šใ‚‚ๆœ‰ๅˆฉใชใ“ใจใŒใ‚ˆใใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
16:27
I'm from Argentina, and I'm hungry and it was a place to eat
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16:31
you know and
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16:32
People people love to share that information that not everybody some people especially in big cities like New York are gonna be in a hurry
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ไบบใ€…ใฏใใฎๆƒ…ๅ ฑใ‚’ๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใŒๅคงๅฅฝใใงใ€็‰นใซใƒ‹ใƒฅใƒผใƒจใƒผใ‚ฏใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชๅคง้ƒฝๅธ‚ใฎไธ€้ƒจใฎไบบใ€…ใฏๆ€ฅใ„ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ใ‘ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
16:40
Oftentimes you can sort of use your foreignness as a pretext to talk to people and
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16:45
No, there's not never a bad dumb question. You know dumb questions are always good because
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ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€ๆ‚ชใ„ใฐใ‹ใ’ใŸ่ณชๅ•ใฏๆฑบใ—ใฆใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใฐใ‹ใ’ใŸ่ณชๅ•ใฏใ„ใคใงใ‚‚่‰ฏใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
16:53
Yeah, I think most people like to help other people who are new to a place for the first time now there are
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ใˆใˆใ€ใปใจใ‚“ใฉใฎไบบใฏใ€ๅˆใ‚ใฆใใฎๅ ดๆ‰€ใซๆฅใŸไป–ใฎไบบใ‚’ๅŠฉใ‘ใ‚‹ใฎใŒๅฅฝใใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ไปŠใงใฏ
17:00
Social media options for meeting people - there's like um there's meetup groups. There's a
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ใ€ไบบใจไผšใ†ใŸใ‚ใฎใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚ทใƒฃใƒซ ใƒกใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใ‚ขใฎใ‚ชใƒ—ใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ใƒŸใƒผใƒˆใ‚ขใƒƒใƒ— ใ‚ฐใƒซใƒผใƒ—ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ ใใ“ใซใฏ
17:06
couchsurfing
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ใ‚ซใ‚ฆใƒใ‚ตใƒผใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒณ
17:08
there's
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ใŒใ‚ใ‚Š
17:09
You know social apps you know you can you can get on. I mean there's dating apps
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ใพใ™ใ€‚ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚ทใƒฃใƒซใ‚ขใƒ—ใƒชใฏใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒไน—ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™. ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ๅ‡บไผšใ„็ณปใ‚ขใƒ—ใƒช
17:17
Sometimes this may be the wrong impression if you're just gonna randomly want to randomly meet people
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ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ ใƒฉใƒณใƒ€ใƒ ใซไบบใซไผšใ„ใŸใ„ใ ใ‘ใชใ‚‰ใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ้–“้•ใฃใŸๅฐ่ฑกใ‚’ไธŽใˆใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“
17:22
But there's there's equivalents of that
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17:25
I mean you can even get on
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17:26
Your facebook or twitter feed and say hey does anybody have any friends in Boston. You know ray I?
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Facebookใ‚„Twitterใฎใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ‰ใซไน—ใฃใฆใ€่ชฐใ‹ๅ‹้”ใŒใ„ใ‚‹ใจ่จ€ใ†ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ ใƒœใ‚นใƒˆใƒณใงใ€‚ ใƒฌใ‚คใƒปใ‚ขใ‚คใฃใฆ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ‚‹๏ผŸ ใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚ทใƒฃใƒซ ใƒกใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใ‚ขใ‚„ใ•ใพใ–ใพใชใ‚ขใƒ—ใƒช
17:33
would I
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17:34
Would encourage everybody not to be too dependent on that you know cuz you can meet a lot of people just by reaching out through
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ใ‚’ไฝฟใฃใฆ้€ฃ็ตกใ‚’ๅ–ใ‚Šๅˆใ†ใ ใ‘ใงใ€ๅคšใใฎไบบใจๅ‡บไผšใ†ใ“ใจใŒใงใ
17:40
Social media and using various apps, but just there's something about the I'm hungry
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17:46
Where as a place to eat or that looks like a fun soccer game? Do you need a goalkeeper you know?
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17:52
those simple person-to-person
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17:54
Interactions are special. Yeah, so don't be afraid to ask a silly question
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ใ‚„ใ‚Šๅ–ใ‚Šใฏ็‰นๅˆฅใงใ™ใ€‚ ใˆใˆใ€ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใฐใ‹ใ’ใŸ่ณชๅ•ใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๆใ‚Œใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„.
17:58
I also found that nowadays a lot of people
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18:03
go through social media to meet people in person for example I
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ไบบใŒ็›ดๆŽฅไผšใ†ใŸใ‚ใซใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚ทใƒฃใƒซใƒกใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใ‚ขใ‚’ๅˆฉ็”จใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸ.ใŸใจใˆใฐใ€็ง
18:08
joined a rock climbing gym in Kansas City to make some new friends because I'm kind of new here and
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ใฏใ‚ซใƒณใ‚ถใ‚นใ‚ทใƒ†ใ‚ฃใฎใƒญใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚ฏใƒฉใ‚คใƒŸใƒณใ‚ฐใ‚ธใƒ ใซๅ‚ๅŠ ใ—ใฆๆ–ฐใ—ใ„ๅ‹้”ใ‚’ไฝœใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸ.
18:14
there's a Facebook group associated with rock climbing in Kansas City and
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ใ‚ซใƒณใ‚ถใ‚นใ‚ทใƒ†ใ‚ฃใซใฏใƒญใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚ฏใƒฉใ‚คใƒŸใƒณใ‚ฐใซ้–ข้€ฃใ™ใ‚‹ Facebook ใ‚ฐใƒซใƒผใƒ—
18:20
People post there if they want climbing partners
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ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ใ‚ฏใƒฉใ‚คใƒŸใƒณใ‚ฐใฎใƒ‘ใƒผใƒˆใƒŠใƒผใŒๆฌฒใ—ใ„ไบบใฏใใ“
18:24
But you could just walk up to someone in the gym and say hey do you want to be my climbing partner?
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18:28
But people don't do that as much it's like you're supposed to ask
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18:32
Through the social media first and then meet in real life
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ๆœ€ๅˆใซใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚ทใƒฃใƒซใƒกใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใ‚ขใง่žใ„ใฆใ‹ใ‚‰ๅฎŸ้š›ใซไผšใ†
18:36
So I feel like some social dynamics are changing not that you can't just walk up to people and ask
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ใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่จ€ใ‚ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ ็คพไผšใฎใƒ€ใ‚คใƒŠใƒŸใ‚ฏใ‚นใŒๅค‰ๅŒ–ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซๆ„Ÿใ˜ใพใ™ ไบบใซ่ฟ‘ใฅใ„ใฆๅฐ‹ใญใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใงใใชใ„ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“
18:41
But I think it's worth a look you know search for if there's groups of interest or locations
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ใงใ‚‚ใ€่ˆˆๅ‘ณใฎใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚ฐใƒซใƒผใƒ—ใ‚„ๅ ดๆ‰€ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹ใ‚’ๆคœ็ดขใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏไธ€่ฆ‹ใฎไพกๅ€คใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
18:48
You know that you can kind of link up with people first, and you know you'll hit the ground running
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ๆœ€ๅˆใซไบบใ€…ใจใคใชใŒใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใฆใ€ๅฎŸ่กŒใซ็งปใ™ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’
18:54
Yeah, well again. It's there's no dumb questions. You know the worst thing a person could say is no or I already have one
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็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใฐใ‹ใ’ใŸ่ณชๅ•ใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ไบบใŒ่จ€ใ†ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ๆœ€ๆ‚ชใฎใ“ใจใฏใ€ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€ใพใŸใฏ็งใฏใ™ใงใซใใ‚Œใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™.
18:59
Right and and even sometimes people are sort of attracted
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19:03
I think people use the social media route because they think that's what the rules are right
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ใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™.ไบบใ€…ใฏใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚ทใƒฃใƒซใƒกใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใ‚ขใฎใƒซใƒผใƒˆใ‚’ไฝฟ็”จใ™ใ‚‹
19:08
I think once you have somebody with a big smile who's asking dumb questions
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ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใฐใ‹ใ’ใŸ่ณชๅ•ใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ๆบ€้ขใฎ็ฌ‘้ก”
19:12
And inviting people to be their climbing partner or whatever the equivalent of that is in a different situation
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ใ‚ฏใƒฉใ‚คใƒŸใƒณใ‚ฐใฎใƒ‘ใƒผใƒˆใƒŠใƒผใซใชใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซไบบใ€…ใ‚’ๆ‹›ๅพ…ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ€ๅˆฅใฎ็Šถๆณใงใใ‚Œใซ็›ธๅฝ“ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’ๆไพ›ใ—ใพใ™
19:17
Then they relax a little bit
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19:19
And they're open to it and again some people might not be interested in that but some people will
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ใพใ™ ใใ—ใฆๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใใ‚Œใซใ‚ชใƒผใƒ—ใƒณใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ไธ€้ƒจใฎไบบใ€…ใฏใใ‚Œใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใŒใชใ„ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€
19:23
And even if you don't get a climbing partner then you'll you'll sort of have
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ใ‚ฏใƒฉใ‚คใƒŸใƒณใ‚ฐใฎใƒ‘ใƒผใƒˆใƒŠใƒผใŒๅพ—ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใชใใฆใ‚‚ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹
19:27
Somebody that you recognize and somebody who will look at you and think oh
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19:31
There's that friendly person who smiles a lot and asks me that dumb question. I'm gonna go talk to them so
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ใฆใใ‚Œใ‚‹ไบบใŒใ„ใ‚‹ใƒ•ใƒฌใƒณใƒ‰ใƒชใƒผใชไบบใŒใ„ใฆใ€็ฌ‘้ก”ใง็งใซใ“ใ†ๅฐ‹ใญใพใ™ ๆ„šใ‹ใช่ณชๅ•ใ€‚ ็งใฏๅฝผใ‚‰ใจ่ฉฑใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใคใ‚‚ใ‚Š
19:37
It's just like building those social networks in real life. Which is an under
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ใชใฎใงใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใซใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚ทใƒฃใƒซใƒใƒƒใƒˆใƒฏใƒผใ‚ฏใ‚’ๆง‹็ฏ‰ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใจๅŒใ˜ใงใ™. ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ€
19:42
Practiced thing these days well. It's the most meaningful part of travel
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ๆœ€่ฟ‘ใ‚ˆใๅฎŸ่ทตใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใชใ„ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใฏๆ—…่กŒใฎๆœ€ใ‚‚ๆœ‰ๆ„็พฉใช้ƒจๅˆ†
19:46
I think I mean I I love going to see museums and monuments and all that and taking pretty pictures
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ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ ๅš็‰ฉ้คจใ‚„ใƒขใƒ‹ใƒฅใƒกใƒณใƒˆใชใฉใ‚’่ฆ‹ใซ่กŒใฃใŸใ‚Šใ€ใใ‚Œใ„ใชๅ†™็œŸใ‚’ๆ’ฎใฃใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใŒๅคงๅฅฝใใงใ™
19:53
But what I really remember is the people that I get to talk to in the conversations?
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19:59
And I think you're missing a lot, I mean I'm preaching to the choir here, but
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20:03
You're missing a lot of you
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20:05
Don't go out of your way and ask some silly questions and start some conversations, right
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้‚ช้ญ”ใซใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ๆ„šใ‹ใช่ณชๅ•ใ‚’ใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ€ไผš่ฉฑใ‚’ๅง‹ใ‚ใŸใ‚Šใ—ใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
20:10
Yeah, for sure for sure and it's a good like I'm an introvert by nature, and so travel forces me to talk to people
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20:17
sometimes just because I'm
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20:19
lost or bored or lonely you know but
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ใซ่ฟทใฃใŸใ‚Šใ€้€€ๅฑˆใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ€ๅญค็‹ฌใ ใฃใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†็†็”ฑใ ใ‘ใงใ€ๆ™‚ใ€…ไบบใ€…ใจ่ฉฑใ™ใ“ใจใ‚’ไฝ™ๅ„€ใชใใ•ใ‚Œใพใ™.
20:23
But yeah, I know he gets me out of my shell and forces me to be social in a way
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎๆฎปใ‚’็ ดใ‚Šใ€ใ‚ใ‚‹ๆ„ๅ‘ณใง็คพไบค็š„ใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๅผทๅˆถ
20:27
That's really good for me. I think so you travel to
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ใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚ใใ‚Œใฏ็งใซใจใฃใฆๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่‰ฏใ„ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ•ใชใ„ๅ ดๆ‰€ใซๆ—…่กŒใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„
20:31
Non-english speaking places how important is it to learn the language before you go?
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ใพใ™ใŒใ€่กŒใๅ‰ใซ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆใถใ“ใจใฏใฉใ‚Œใปใฉ้‡่ฆใงใ™ใ‹?
20:36
as
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20:38
a courtesy learning phrases of the language is useful
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็คผๅ„€ใจใ—ใฆใ€ใใฎ่จ€่ชžใฎใƒ•ใƒฌใƒผใ‚บใ‚’ๅญฆใถใ“ใจใฏๅฝนใซ็ซ‹ใก
20:42
You can literally go to places and know nothing of language and do fine
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ใพใ™ ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๆ–‡ๅญ—้€šใ‚Šๅ ดๆ‰€ใซ่กŒใฃใฆใ€่จ€่ชžใฎใ“ใจใ‚’ไฝ•ใ‚‚็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใชใใฆใ‚‚ใ†ใพใใ„ใใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ ใใ‚Œใฏ
20:46
Is that because people speak English generally or mm-hmm okay?
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ไบบใ€…ใŒไธ€่ˆฌ็š„ใซ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ‹ใ€ใใ‚Œใจใ‚‚ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ๅคงไธˆๅคซใงใ™ใ‹?
20:51
Yeah
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20:52
I mean we're privileged as Americans or those of us in the Anglosphere
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ใ€็งใŸใกใฏใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซไบบใจใ—ใฆใ€ใพใŸใฏ่‹ฑ่ชžๅœใฎ็งใŸใกใจใ—ใฆ็‰นๆจฉใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๆ„ๅ‘ณใ—ใพใ™.
20:55
Having it as a first language is really useful because it's the world's second language right now
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ใใ‚Œใ‚’็ฌฌไธ€่จ€่ชžใจใ—ใฆๆŒใคใ“ใจใฏใ€็พๅœจไธ–็•Œใฎ็ฌฌไบŒ่จ€่ชžใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใ€้žๅธธใซไพฟๅˆฉ
21:00
and so
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But you know almost anywhere you go. There's so many people traveling with no phrases beyond hello, and thank you
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ใงใ™ใ€‚ ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏไปฅไธŠใฎใƒ•ใƒฌใƒผใ‚บใชใ—ใงๆ—…่กŒใ™ใ‚‹ไบบใŒใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ใ‚ฟใ‚ค่ชžใฎ 50 ่ชž
21:09
That if you commit yourself to learning
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ใ‚’ๅญฆใถใ“ใจใซๅฐ‚ๅฟตใ™ใ‚Œใฐ
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50 words of Thai you know more
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21:17
10 phrases in Portuguese or whatever then suddenly people are gonna. Help you with English
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ใ€ใƒใƒซใƒˆใ‚ฌใƒซ่ชžใชใฉใง 10 ่ชžไปฅไธŠใฎใƒ•ใƒฌใƒผใ‚บใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ€็ช็„ถไบบใ€…ใŒใ‚„ใ‚ใ†ใจใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใจใซใ‹ใ่‹ฑ่ชžใงใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’ๅŠฉใ‘ใพใ™
21:23
Regardless, but if you sort of demonstrate that you can say you know. Where is the bathroom in a really horrible?
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ใŒใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจ่จ€ใˆใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’่จผๆ˜Žใ™ใ‚‹ใชใ‚‰. ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใฒใฉใ„ใƒˆใ‚คใƒฌใฏใฉใ“ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
21:30
accent then you'll say it in this sort of adorably five-year-old way and
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5ๆญณๅ…ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชๅฏๆ„›ใ‚‰ใ—ใ„่จ€ใ„ๆ–นใง ไบบใ‚’้ญ…ไบ†ใ™ใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡
21:36
And it'll charm people
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21:37
I mean this place is like France for example where I teach a class a writing class every summer
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ใ† ใ“ใฎๅ ดๆ‰€ใฏใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚นใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ ใŸใจใˆใฐ็งใฏๆฏŽๅนดๅคใซไฝœๆ–‡ใฎใ‚ฏใƒฉใ‚น
21:41
And I always tell my students to learn the pleasantries because France is a more formal culture. There's this
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ใ‚’ๆ•™ใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ ใใ—ใฆ็งใฏใ„ใคใ‚‚็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใซใ“ใ†่จ€ใ„ใพใ™ ใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚นใฏใ‚ˆใ‚Šใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒผใƒžใƒซใชๆ–‡ๅŒ–ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใ€ๆฅฝใ—ใ„ใ“ใจใ‚’ๅญฆใถใŸใ‚ใซใ€‚
21:48
Reputation that French people have for being rude, but it's actually the opposite the Americans are the rude ones. They're too informal
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ใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚นไบบใŒ็„ก็คผใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†่ฉ•ๅˆคใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใŒใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใซใฏใ€ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซไบบใŒ็„ก็คผใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใฎใฏๅๅฏพใงใ™. ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ‚ใพใ‚Šใซใ‚‚้žๅ…ฌๅผ
21:53
They're not saying hello to the proprietors. They're not
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ใงใ™. ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏๆ‰€ๆœ‰่€…ใซๆŒจๆ‹ถใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“. ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ
21:57
Giving the proper greetings, and so you you master those
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้ฉๅˆ‡ใชๆŒจๆ‹ถใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใชใ„ใฎใงใ€ใ‚ใชใŸ
22:02
10 to 20 phrases of French that can establish you as a polite
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ใฏใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚น่ชžใฎ 10 ใ‹ใ‚‰ 20 ใฎใƒ•ใƒฌใƒผใ‚บใ‚’็ฟ’ๅพ—ใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’็คผๅ„€
22:05
You know you just say really horrible bones, ooh
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22:08
Masu and they will one know that you're trying to be polite and know to know that you're horrible at French
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ๆญฃใ—ใใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™. ็คผๅ„€ๆญฃใ—ใใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚น่ชžใŒไธ‹ๆ‰‹ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’็ŸฅใฃใฆใŠใ„ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„
22:14
And and they'll help you out you know that you basically
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ‚ใชใŸใŒๅŸบๆœฌ็š„ใซ
22:16
Established your goodwill and so language works at several levels, and one is direct communication
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๅ–„ๆ„ใ‚’็ขบ็ซ‹ใ—ใ€่จ€่ชžใฏใ„ใใคใ‹ใฎใƒฌใƒ™ใƒซใงๆฉŸ่ƒฝใ—ใ€1ใคใฏ็›ดๆŽฅ็š„ใชใ‚ณใƒŸใƒฅใƒ‹ใ‚ฑใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใ‚‹ใฎใซๅฝน็ซ‹ใกใพใ™
22:21
But also is just an expression that you're not a privileged
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ใ€‚ ็งใฏ็‰นๆจฉ็š„ใช
22:25
American who is just swaggering through on the fact that people should speak English, but that you're making an effort
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ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซไบบใงใฏใชใใ€ไบบใ€…ใฏ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ในใใ ใจใ„ใ†ไบ‹ๅฎŸใ‚’่ช‡ๅผตใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใŒใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๅŠชๅŠ›ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
22:32
Yeah, I find that a lot of my English learners really want to have perfect English they want to have excellent
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ใˆใˆใ€็งใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžๅญฆ็ฟ’่€…ใฎๅคšใใฏใ€ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅฎŒ็’งใช่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’่บซใซใคใ‘ใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
22:39
Fluency before they ever travel outside their countries and that's admirable
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒๅ›ฝๅค–ใซๆ—…่กŒใ™ใ‚‹ๅ‰ใซ
22:44
But then like you're waiting for this moment that never comes because first of all what is perfect fluency
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ๆตๆšขใซ่ฉฑใ›ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใฃใŸใ“ใจใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ“ใจใงใ™ใŒใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ“ใฎ็žฌ้–“ใ‚’ๅพ…ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ใใฎ็žฌ้–“ใŒๆฅใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏๆฑบใ—ใฆใชใ„
22:50
I mean native English speakers don't have perfect fluency
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22:53
so I guess I'm just kind of making an observation that I
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ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚ ่ฆชๅˆ‡ ็ง
22:57
Try to encourage people to just take what you have and go with it, and you know you'll learn as you go, right
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ใฏไบบใ€…ใซใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใ ใ‘ใ‚’ไฝฟใฃใฆใใ‚Œใง่กŒใใ‚ˆใ†ใซๅ‹งใ‚ใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ใใ†ใ™ใ‚Œใฐใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ่กŒใฃใฆใ„ใใ†ใกใซๅญฆใถใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
23:03
Yeah for sure and and again be fearless be willing to make mistakes
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใ€็ขบใ‹ใซใ€ใใ—ใฆไฝ•ๅบฆใ‚‚ๅคง่ƒ†ไธๆ•ตใซใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚ๅ–œใ‚“ใง้–“้•ใ„ใ‚’็Šฏใ—
23:08
And even you get a lot of interesting perspective on your own language as you make mistakes another one right?
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ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ ๅˆฅใฎ้–“้•ใ„ใ‚’็Šฏใ™ใจใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ่จ€่ชžใซใคใ„ใฆๅคšใใฎ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„่ฆ–็‚นใŒๅพ—ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใพใ™ใ‚ˆใญ?
23:15
And I don't think anybody should wait until they get perfect right you know I taught English
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅฎŒ็’งใซใชใ‚‹ใพใงๅพ…ใคในใใงใฏใชใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚็ง
23:20
conversation English in in Korea for a while and
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ใฏ้Ÿ“ๅ›ฝใงใ—ใฐใ‚‰ใ่‹ฑไผš่ฉฑใ‚’
23:24
One thing I learned is that?
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ๆ•™ใˆใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
23:26
You know the the Yuliya in Korean the the letter is that contains L. And R, and and we just use our mouth differently
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ใ”ๅญ˜็Ÿฅใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€้Ÿ“ๅ›ฝ่ชžใฎใƒฆใƒชใƒคใฏใ€L ใจ R ใ‚’ๅซใ‚€ๆ–‡ๅญ—ใงใ™ใ€‚L ใจ่จ€ใ†ใจใ€ๅฃใฎไฝฟใ„ๆ–นใŒ็•ฐใชใ‚Šใพใ™
23:35
When we say an L our tongue goes up and when we say an R
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ใ€‚L ใจ่จ€ใ†ใจ่ˆŒใŒไธŠใŒใ‚Šใ€R ใจ่จ€ใ†ใจใ€่ˆŒใŒ
23:38
It sort of curls back
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ๅ…ƒใซๆˆปใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
23:39
And so just knowing and I'm just using it like
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23:42
This is a Korean traveler knowing that sometimes you're messing up your ELLs
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ้Ÿ“ๅ›ฝใฎๆ—…่กŒ่€…ใงใ™ใŒใ€ใจใใฉใ
23:46
And your R's you just sort of knowing that that's you're getting your tongue in shape. You know you're doing your exercises
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ ELL ใจ R ใ‚’ๅฐ็„กใ—ใซใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใใ‚Œใซใคใ„ใฆ่€ƒใˆใฆใ‚ใชใŸใฎ็ทด็ฟ’ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™
23:51
Thinking about that. You know how did your students say your name?
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ใ€‚ ็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใŒใ‚ใชใŸใฎๅๅ‰ใ‚’ใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๅ‘ผใ‚“ใ ใ‹็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
23:55
I mean your name is like ours and ELLs and you know it must have been difficult anyway
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๅๅ‰ใฏ็งใŸใกใ‚„ ELL ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ€ใจใซใ‹ใ้›ฃใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใซ้•ใ„ใชใ„ใ“ใจใ‚’ๆ„ๅ‘ณใ—ใพใ™
24:01
Yeah in Korean literally if you use the Hangul letters it slow to cool
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ใˆใˆใ€ๆ–‡ๅญ—้€šใ‚Š้Ÿ“ๅ›ฝ่ชžใง ใƒใƒณใ‚ฐใƒซๆ–‡ๅญ—ใ‚’ไฝฟ็”จใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ€ๅ†ท้™ใซใชใ‚‹ใฎใŒ้…ใใชใ‚Š
24:06
What that's a great? That's a great example? You know I could start the lesson with my name
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ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ„ใ„ไพ‹ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ ใƒฌใƒƒใ‚นใƒณใฏ็งใฎๅๅ‰ใ‹ใ‚‰ๅง‹ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™
24:11
And and and again, I don't think there's a need to be self-conscious
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็นฐใ‚Š่ฟ”ใ—ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใŒใ€ใŸใจใˆใฐ้Ÿ“ๅ›ฝไบบใชใ‚‰ใ€่‡ชๆ„่ญ˜้Žๅ‰ฐใซใชใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใฏใชใ„ใจๆ€ใ„
24:16
for example if you're Korean because that's just something your your your your mouth is used to forming Korean word but
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24:23
So what I'm saying basically whatever language you speak
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ใ€็งใŒ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใ€ๅŸบๆœฌ็š„ใซใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่ฉฑใ™่จ€่ชžใซ้–ขไฟ‚ใชใ
24:26
You know French people drop the H on all their words whereas we pronounce the H
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ใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚นไบบใฏใ™ในใฆใฎๅ˜่ชžใง H ใ‚’่ฝใจใ™ใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€็งใŸใกใฏ H ใ‚’็™บ้Ÿณใ—
24:31
Just just be aware as you're making mistakes
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ใพใ™ ้–“้•ใ„ใ‚’็Šฏใ—
24:33
Be aware that that's happening
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ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซๆณจๆ„ใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ ใใ‚ŒใŒ่ตทใ“ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซๆณจๆ„ใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„
24:35
And then you can sort of exercise your mouth muscles and and sort of have an intelligent approach to your mistakes as you
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๅฃใฎ็ญ‹่‚‰ใฏใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่ผใ‹ใ—ใ็†ฑ็‹‚็š„ใซๅˆฅใฎ่จ€่ชžใง้–“้•ใ„ใ‚’็Šฏใ™ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ้–“้•ใ„ใซๅฏพใ—ใฆ็Ÿฅ็š„ใชใ‚ขใƒ—ใƒญใƒผใƒใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™
24:41
as you gloriously and enthusiastically
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24:46
Make mistakes in another language. I love that. I love that. Yeah mistakes are the starting point of learning
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ใ€‚ ็งใฏใใ‚ŒใŒๅฅฝใใงใ™ใ€‚ ็งใฏใใ‚ŒใŒๅฅฝใใงใ™ใ€‚ ใใ†ใ€้–“้•ใ„ใฏๅญฆใณใฎๅ‡บ็™บ็‚นใ 
24:54
So I want to ask you. What are you doing in New York and what's going on with your new book with souvenir?
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ใ‹ใ‚‰่žใใŸใ„ใ€‚ ใƒ‹ใƒฅใƒผใƒจใƒผใ‚ฏใงไฝ•ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใฆใ€ใŠๅœŸ็”ฃไป˜ใใฎๆ–ฐใ—ใ„ๆœฌใฏใฉใ†ใชใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
25:00
Tell us a little bit about that and when is it coming out exactly and yeah tell us
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ใใ‚Œใซใคใ„ใฆๅฐ‘ใ—ๆ•™ใˆใฆใใ ใ•ใ„.ใใ‚Œใฏๆญฃ็ขบใซใฏใ„ใค็™บ่กจใ•ใ‚Œใพใ™ใ‹.ใใ†
25:06
Well, I'm in New York because I New York is one of my favorite cities um
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ใงใ™,็งใฏใƒ‹ใƒฅใƒผใƒจใƒผใ‚ฏใซใ„ใพใ™.ใƒ‹ใƒฅใƒผใƒจใƒผใ‚ฏใฏ็งใฎใŠๆฐ—ใซๅ…ฅใ‚Šใฎ้ƒฝๅธ‚ใฎ1ใคใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™.
25:10
I have a lot of colleagues and a lot of friends here
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ใ“ใ“ใซใฏใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎๅŒๅƒšใจใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎๅ‹ไบบใŒใ„ใพใ™.
25:13
and
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25:14
So I try to spend as much time in New York as I can I have a friend who's out of the country
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰็งใฏใงใใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ๅคšใใฎๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’ใƒ‹ใƒฅใƒผใƒจใƒผใ‚ฏใง้Žใ”ใ™ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ ๅ›ฝๅค–ใซใ„ใ‚‹ๅ‹ไบบใŒใ„ใ‚‹
25:18
So I'm staying in his apartment for a while
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ใฎใงใ€ๅฝผใฎใ‚ขใƒ‘ใƒผใƒˆใซใ—ใฐใ‚‰ใๆปžๅœจใ—ใฆใ„ใฆใ€
25:20
and it just gives me a chance to see old friends to meet to meet editors and
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ๆ˜”ใฎๅ‹ไบบใซไผšใฃใฆ็ทจ้›†่€…ใซไผšใ†ใƒใƒฃใƒณใ‚นใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™
25:25
and colleagues
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25:27
and just enjoy the metropolis for a while because
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25:32
In Kansas where I'm often based. I think the closest town has like 300 people or something so
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25:38
When you have 3 million people in a single borough?
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ไบบใŒไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
25:41
It's just nice to be in a dynamic dynamic city and I do this a lot you know um
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ใƒ€ใ‚คใƒŠใƒŸใƒƒใ‚ฏใงใƒ€ใ‚คใƒŠใƒŸใƒƒใ‚ฏใช่ก—ใซใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใฏใจใฆใ‚‚ใ„ใ„ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚็งใฏใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’ใ‚ˆใใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
25:45
I'll have a little sojourn in New York, or I'll spend a few months in the winter in
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ใƒ‹ใƒฅใƒผใƒจใƒผใ‚ฏใซๅฐ‘ใ—ๆปžๅœจใ™ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ€ๅ†ฌใซใ‚ขใƒ•ใƒชใ‚ซๅ—้ƒจใ‚„ใ‚ขใƒซใ‚ผใƒณใƒใƒณใชใฉใงๆ•ฐใ‹ๆœˆ้Žใ”ใ™ไบˆๅฎšใงใ™ใ€‚
25:50
southern Africa or Argentina or something again
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25:53
It's that sort of that digital nomad
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25:55
Principle that I'm not spending anymore that much more money than I would be spending in the United States
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็งใฏใ‚‚ใ†็ฑณๅ›ฝใงไฝฟใ†ใ‚ˆใ‚Šใ‚‚ๅคšใใฎใŠ้‡‘ใ‚’ไฝฟใ‚ใชใ„ใจใ„ใ†ๅŽŸๅ‰‡
25:59
But I'm spending it in a unique place, so that's what that explains my time in New York
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็งใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’ใƒฆใƒ‹ใƒผใ‚ฏใชๅ ดๆ‰€ใงไฝฟใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒใƒ‹ใƒฅใƒผใƒจใƒผใ‚ฏใงใฎ็งใฎๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’่ชฌๆ˜Žใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎ
26:03
I just haven't a nice opportunity to house it for a friend and
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ใงใ™ ๅ‹ไบบใฎใŸใ‚ใซใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅฎถใซใ™ใ‚‹่‰ฏใ„ๆฉŸไผšใŒใชใใ€
26:07
I'm enjoying this this wonderful city
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็งใฏใ“ใฎ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„่ก—ใ‚’ๆฅฝใ—ใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ™
26:11
As for the book it comes out. I'm not sure when this interview will air, but it comes out the second week of March
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ๆœฌใฏๅ‡บใฆใใพใ™. ใ“ใฎใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒ“ใƒฅใƒผใŒใ„ใคๆ”พ้€ใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‹ใฏใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€3 ๆœˆใฎ็ฌฌ 2 ้€ฑใซๆ”พ้€ใ•ใ‚Œใพใ™
26:18
The same time yeah, okay, yeah, this is my book debut interview so alright. It's called souvenir, and it's it's um
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ใ€‚ใใ‚ŒใจๅŒๆ™‚ใซใ€ใˆใˆใ€ใˆใˆใ€ใˆใˆใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ็งใฎๆœฌใฎใƒ‡ใƒ“ใƒฅใƒผ ใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒ“ใƒฅใƒผใงใ™ใ€‚ ใใ‚ŒใฏใŠๅœŸ็”ฃใจๅ‘ผใฐใ‚Œใ€ใใ‚Œ
26:25
You know vagabonding is a very broad travel philosophy with a lot of advice whereas souvenir is
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ใฏใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใงใ™. ใƒใ‚ฌใƒœใƒณใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใƒณใ‚ฐใฏ้žๅธธใซๅน…ๅบƒใ„ๆ—…่กŒๅ“ฒๅญฆใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ๅคšใใฎใ‚ขใƒ‰ใƒใ‚คใ‚นใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใŒใ€ใŠๅœŸ็”ฃใฏ
26:32
Literally about souvenirs. It's sort of a deep dive into ooh this phenomenon sort of the
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ๆ–‡ๅญ—้€šใ‚ŠใŠๅœŸ็”ฃใซ้–ขใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™. ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ€ใ“ใฎ็พ่ฑกใ‚’ๆทฑใๆŽ˜ใ‚Šไธ‹ใ’ใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ€
26:38
Historical and psychological phenomenon of why we collect these things as we travel and as I wrote the book
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ๆญดๅฒ็š„ใŠใ‚ˆใณๅฟƒ็†็š„ใช็พ่ฑกใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ใชใœ็งใŸใกใŒๆ—…่กŒไธญใซใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’ๅŽ้›†ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ใ€ใใ—ใฆ็งใŒๆœฌใ‚’ๆ›ธใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใซใ€
26:44
It was really interesting because I think there's something very
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ใใ‚Œใฏ้žๅธธใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ—ใŸ.
26:48
Connected to our core sense of self about connected collecting souvenirs because we're traveling through countries where we can't stay very long
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็งใŸใกใฏใ‚ใพใ‚Š้•ทใๆปžๅœจใงใใชใ„ๅ›ฝใ‚’ๆ—…่กŒใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ใŠๅœŸ็”ฃใ‚’้›†ใ‚ใฆใ„ใพใ™
26:55
We don't belong to these countries, so we take a little piece. You know we take a little either
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27:00
we pick up a rock or off the ground or we save the bottle of soju that we drank at that wonderful party or
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็Ÿณใ‚„ๅœฐ้ขใ‹ใ‚‰ๆ‹พใฃใŸใ‚Šใ€็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใƒ‘ใƒผใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใง้ฃฒใ‚“ใ ็„ผ้…Žใฎใƒœใƒˆใƒซใ‚’ไฟๅญ˜ใ—ใŸใ‚Š
27:06
we go to a gift shop, and we buy a little Eiffel Tower keychain or a
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ใ€ใ‚ฎใƒ•ใƒˆใ‚ทใƒงใƒƒใƒ—ใซ่กŒใฃใฆใ€ๅฐใ•ใชใ‚จใƒƒใƒ•ใ‚งใƒซๅก”ใฎใ‚ญใƒผใƒ›ใƒซใƒ€ใƒผใ‚„
27:11
t-shirt that says Rio de Janeiro and
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T- ใƒชใ‚ชใƒ‡ใ‚ธใƒฃใƒใ‚คใƒญใจๆ›ธใ‹ใ‚ŒใŸใ‚ทใƒฃใƒ„
27:14
These become parts of our lives
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ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฏ็งใŸใกใฎ็”Ÿๆดปใฎไธ€้ƒจใซ
27:16
And they become little symbols of our memories and our ways of being in the world and so by the time
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ใชใ‚Šใ€็งใŸใกใฎ่จ˜ๆ†ถใ‚„ไธ–็•Œใงใฎ็”Ÿใๆ–นใฎๅฐใ•ใช่ฑกๅพดใซใชใ‚Š
27:22
I was done writing the book. I realized that souvenirs are end up whether we intend to are not becoming deeply meaningful
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ใ€ๆœฌใ‚’ๆ›ธใ็ต‚ใˆใ‚‹้ ƒใซใฏ. ใŠใฟใ‚„ใ’ใฏใ€็งใŸใกใŒๆ„ๅ›ณใ™ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹ใซใ‹ใ‹ใ‚ใ‚‰ใšใ€ๆทฑใๆ„ๅ‘ณใฎใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใซใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ“ใจใซๆฐ—ไป˜ใใพใ—ใŸ ็ง
27:30
Symbols and metaphors for how we interact with the world
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ใŸใกใŒไธ–็•Œใจใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ็›ธไบ’ไฝœ็”จใ™ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฎ่ฑกๅพดใจใƒกใ‚ฟใƒ•ใ‚กใƒผ
27:33
And how we collect them changes over time and so it's really interesting so again. It's it's not like a sequel to vagabonding
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใ‚’ๅŽ้›†ใ™ใ‚‹ๆ–นๆณ•ใฏๆ™‚้–“ใจใจใ‚‚ใซๅค‰ๅŒ–ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ใใ‚Œใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ใงใ™. ใใ‚Œใฏใƒใ‚ฌใƒœใƒณใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใƒณใ‚ฐใฎ็ถš็ทจใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›
27:40
It's not a direct
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27:43
Book of travel advice, but it's a deep meditation and I think
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ใฏๆ—…่กŒใฎใ‚ขใƒ‰ใƒใ‚คใ‚นใฎ็›ดๆŽฅใฎๆœฌใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€ใใ‚Œใฏๆทฑใ„็ž‘ๆƒณ
27:48
One that is a lot of fun and worth considering how?
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ใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ใจใฆใ‚‚ๆฅฝใ—ใใ€ใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๆคœ่จŽใ™ใ‚‹ไพกๅ€คใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
27:53
Some of the most interesting stories we tell about our lives. We don't tell with our mouths
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็งใŸใกใŒ็งใŸใกใฎ็”Ÿๆดปใซใคใ„ใฆ่ชžใ‚‹ๆœ€ใ‚‚่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„่ฉฑใฎใ„ใใคใ‹ใ€‚ ็งใŸใกใฏๅฃใงใฏ่จ€ใ„
27:59
Objects that we surround ourselves when me when we come home
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ใพใ›ใ‚“ ็งใŸใกใŒๅฎถใซๅธฐใฃใŸใจใใซ็งใŸใกใŒ่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใ‚’ๅ›ฒใ‚€ใ‚ชใƒ–ใ‚ธใ‚งใ‚ฏใƒˆ
28:04
Yeah, so I have a launch party here on March 26th at quinny's in New York. Yeah, and
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ใˆใˆใ€3ๆœˆ26ๆ—ฅใซใ“ใ“ใƒ‹ใƒฅใƒผใƒจใƒผใ‚ฏใฎQuinny'sใงใƒญใƒผใƒณใƒใƒ‘ใƒผใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใ‚’้–‹ๅ‚ฌใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใˆใˆใ€ใใ—ใฆ
28:12
Don't have a big book to her plan, but I'm really proud of the book and happy to have it out in the world
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ๅฝผๅฅณใฎ่จˆ็”ปใซๅคงใใชๆœฌใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€็งใฏๆœฌใ‚’ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่ช‡ใ‚Šใซๆ€ใฃใฆใŠใ‚Šใ€ไธ–็•Œใซใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅ‡บใ™ใ“ใจใŒใงใใฆใ†ใ‚Œใ—ใ„
28:17
That's exciting. Do you personally buy a lot of souvenirs?
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ใงใ™. ๅ€‹ไบบ็š„ใซใŠๅœŸ็”ฃใ‚’ใ‚ˆใ่ฒทใ„ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
28:22
Well, that's something I had to consider when I was writing the book because I felt like I didn't and there's a lot of
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ใˆใˆใจใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ็งใŒๆœฌใ‚’ๆ›ธใ„ใฆใ„ใŸใจใใซ่€ƒๆ…ฎใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ‹ใฃใŸ
28:29
You know different iterations of souvenirs because there's like heirlooms and mementos and
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ใ“ใจใงใ™.ๅฎถๅฎใ‚„่จ˜ๅฟตๅ“ใ€่จ˜ๅฟตๅ“ใชใฉใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ใŠๅœŸ็”ฃใฎใ•ใพใ–ใพใชๅๅพฉใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™.
28:35
keepsakes and
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28:37
Other things that are like souvenirs without quite being souvenirs
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28:40
You know like I have I have Mardi Gras beads from from 2005 which was like the last Mardi Gras before Hurricane Katrina
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ใงใ™ ใ”ๅญ˜็Ÿฅใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ็งใฏ 2005 ๅนดใฎใƒžใƒซใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใ‚ฐใƒฉ ใƒ“ใƒผใ‚บใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใƒใƒชใ‚ฑใƒผใƒณ ใ‚ซใƒˆใƒชใƒผใƒŠใฎๅ‰ใฎๆœ€ๅพŒใฎใƒžใƒซใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใ‚ฐใƒฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ—ใŸ
28:48
And I didn't really think of it as a souvenir, but now it's this little symbol of this interesting time in my life
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’ใŠๅœŸ็”ฃใจใฏ่€ƒใˆใฆใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใŒใ€ไปŠใงใฏ็งใฎใ“ใฎ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ๆ™‚ไปฃใฎใ“ใฎๅฐใ•ใชใ‚ทใƒณใƒœใƒซใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™
28:53
and I have a my
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28:55
Grandfather's Zippo lighter, and I never knew him he died long before I was born and so this is this little symbol of
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็ฅ–็ˆถใฎ Zippo ใƒฉใ‚คใ‚ฟใƒผใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€็งใŒ็”Ÿใพใ‚Œใ‚‹ใšใฃใจๅ‰ใซ็ฅ–็ˆถใŒไบกใใชใฃใŸใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใ‚Šใพใ›
29:01
You know my family history
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29:04
And that that's mixed in with like these
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29:06
Masks I read about this in the book that these masks that I bought as I was traveling through Asia
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ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใ‚ขใ‚ธใ‚ขใ‚’ๆ—…ใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใจใใซ่ฒทใฃใŸใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎใƒžใ‚นใ‚ฏใ‚’ๆœฌใซใพใจใ‚
29:10
And the more I bought the masks the more I realized that I wasn't really sure why I was buying the masks
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ใพใ—ใŸ ใƒžใ‚นใ‚ฏใ‚’่ฒทใˆใฐ่ฒทใ†ใปใฉใ€ใชใœใƒžใ‚นใ‚ฏใ‚’่ฒทใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ใ‚ˆใใ‚ใ‹ใ‚‰ใชใ
29:15
and so I talk about that in the book about how our taste in souvenirs change, and I think
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ใชใฃใŸใฎใงใ€ๆœฌใฎไธญใง็งใŸใกใฎๅฅฝใฟใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ ใŠๅœŸ็”ฃใซ
29:21
And this is actually borne out by researchers is that new travelers buy more souvenirs than experienced travelers
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ็ ”็ฉถ่€…ใซใ‚ˆใฃใฆๅฎŸ้š›ใซ่ฃไป˜ใ‘ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใŒใ€ๆ–ฐใ—ใ„ๆ—…่กŒ่€…ใฏ็ตŒ้จ“่ฑŠๅฏŒใชๆ—…่กŒ่€…ใ‚ˆใ‚Šใ‚‚ๅคšใใฎใŠๅœŸ็”ฃใ‚’่ณผๅ…ฅใ—ใพใ™ใŒใ€็ตŒ้จ“่ฑŠๅฏŒใชๆ—…่กŒ
29:28
Whereas
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29:30
Experienced travelers are more likely
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29:32
Statistically to take those pieces of the rock souvenirs that to pick up to keep a ticket stub
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็ตฑ่จˆ็š„ใซใ€ใƒใ‚ฑใƒƒใƒˆใฎๅŠๅˆธใ‚’ไฟๆŒใ™ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ€ใพใŸใฏๅ–ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซๆ‹พใ†ๅฒฉ็Ÿณใฎ่จ˜ๅฟตๅ“ใ‚’ๆ‰‹ใซๅ…ฅใ‚Œใ‚‹ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใŒ้ซ˜ใ„ใงใ™.
29:37
or take a seashell or or to keep that t-shirt they wore when they were you know in the Samba parade or whatever and
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่ฒๆฎปใ‚„ใ€ใ‚ตใƒณใƒใƒ‘ใƒฌใƒผใƒ‰ใง็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใซ็€ใฆใ„ใŸTใ‚ทใƒฃใƒ„ใ‚’ไฟ็ฎกใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚
29:46
So I have this mix I have in my house gift shop souvenirs. I have little soaps from hotels
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ใซใ€ๅฎถใฎใ‚ฎใƒ•ใƒˆใ‚ทใƒงใƒƒใƒ—ใฎใŠๅœŸ็”ฃใซใ“ใฎใƒŸใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚นใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ๆœ‰ๆ„็พฉใชๆ—…ใฎไธ€้ƒจใ ใฃใŸใƒ›ใƒ†ใƒซใ‹ใ‚‰ใฎๅฐใ•ใช็Ÿณ้นธใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™
29:53
That were part of a meaningful trip. I have my Kansas City Royals baseball
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ใ€‚ ใ‚ซใƒณใ‚ถใ‚นใ‚ทใƒ†ใ‚ฃ ใƒญใ‚คใƒคใƒซใ‚บใฎ้‡Ž็ƒใฎ
29:58
Souvenirs. They're more like keepsakes
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ใŠๅœŸ็”ฃใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ่จ˜ๅฟตๅ“ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™
30:01
But again they have a also this story, yeah
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใพใŸใ€ใ“ใฎ็‰ฉ่ชžใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€ใˆใˆใ€
30:04
It's sentimental stuff. It's absolutely not necessarily expensive like the things you just listed are pretty much free
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ใใ‚Œใฏๆ„Ÿๅ‚ท็š„ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™. ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใƒชใ‚นใƒˆใ—ใŸใ‚‚ใฎใŒใปใจใ‚“ใฉ็„กๆ–™ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ๅฟ…ใšใ—ใ‚‚้ซ˜ไพกใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“.
30:11
But it has some sentiments, but I'm just imagining your house is covered in
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใใ‚Œใซใฏใ„ใใคใ‹ใฎ
30:17
Souvenirs and sentimental items and do you feel like when you go home?
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ๆ„Ÿๆƒ…ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™.
30:20
Do you I mean you have your home as kind of a place where you?
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๅฎถใฏใ‚ใชใŸใŒใ„ใ‚‹ๅ ดๆ‰€ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
30:24
Obviously where you rest and you?
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ๆ˜Žใ‚‰ใ‹ใซใ‚ใชใŸใŒไผ‘ใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ๅ ดๆ‰€ใจใ‚ใชใŸใฏ๏ผŸ
30:27
you can just yeah do laundry repack, but like is that also where you kind of collect all these things as a
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ๆด—ๆฟฏ็‰ฉใฎ่ฉฐใ‚ๆ›ฟใˆใฏใงใใพใ™ใŒใ€ๆ—…่กŒใฎๆ€ใ„ๅ‡บใจใ—ใฆใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใ™ในใฆใฎใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’้›†ใ‚ใ‚‹ๅ ดๆ‰€ใงใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™
30:34
memory of your travels
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30:35
Yeah, and I don't want to overemphasize
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ใˆใˆใ€ใŠๅœŸ็”ฃ่‡ชไฝ“ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ้Žๅบฆใซๅผท่ชฟใ—ใŸใใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
30:39
like
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30:40
Souvenirs themselves because my souvenirs are mixed in with books and and and furniture
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30:44
and I'm like I said keepsakes and kitchen utensils and stuff and
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็งใŒ่จ€ใฃใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€่จ˜ๅฟตๅ“ใ‚„ๅฐๆ‰€็”จๅ“ใชใฉใงใ™
30:48
So it's not like you walk into my house, and you see 500 souvenirs dominating the landscape
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ็งใฎๅฎถใซๅ…ฅใ‚‹ใจใ€้ขจๆ™ฏใ‚’ๆ”ฏ้…ใ™ใ‚‹500ใฎ
30:54
But I mean you use souvenirs to remember your travels in the same way you use keepsakes to remember family members or friends or something?
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ใŠๅœŸ็”ฃใ‚’่ฆ‹ใ‚‹ใ‚ใ‘ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“. ๅฎถๆ—ใ‚„ๅ‹ไบบใชใฉใ‚’ๆ€ใ„ๅ‡บใ™่จ˜ๅฟตๅ“๏ผŸ
31:02
and so
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31:03
Absolutely actually I have a big bookcase my office has is just a whole wall as books because I when I got my house
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ๅฎŸ้š›ใ€็งใฎใ‚ชใƒ•ใ‚ฃใ‚นใซใฏๅคงใใชๆœฌๆฃšใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใŒใ€ๅฃๅ…จไฝ“ใŒๆœฌใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใชใฎใง
31:10
In Kansas after years of travel, I wanted to have a wall of books and so
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ใ€ไฝ•ๅนดใซใ‚‚ใ‚ใŸใฃใฆใ‚ซใƒณใ‚ถใ‚นใซๅฎถใ‚’ๅปบใฆใŸใจใใ€ๆœฌใฎๅฃใŒๆฌฒใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใฎใงใ€
31:15
Those are interesting evidence relationship with them because some of them I read and some of them
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ใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฏใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใจใฎ้–ขไฟ‚ใฎ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„่จผๆ‹ ใงใ™ ่ชญใ‚“ใ ๆœฌใ‚‚่ชญใ‚“
31:19
I haven't and now I have too many books
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ใงใ„ใชใ„ๆœฌใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ไปŠใฏๆœฌใŒๅคšใ™ใŽ
31:21
They don't even fit on the Shelf anymore
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ใฆๆœฌๆฃšใซๅŽใพใ‚Šใใ‚‰
31:23
And so it's like these objects are sort of in
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ใชใ„ใฎใงใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎใ‚ชใƒ–ใ‚ธใ‚งใ‚ฏใƒˆใฏ
31:25
conversation with each other
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31:26
With each other and it's sort of this shorthand that only I can understand like a guest can come in and say well this is
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ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใงใ™ใ€‚ ็งใ ใ‘ใŒ็†่งฃใงใใ‚‹ใ“ใฎ้€Ÿ่จ˜ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใฏใ€ใ‚ฒใ‚นใƒˆใŒๅ…ฅใฃใฆใใฆใ‚ˆใ่จ€ใ†ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ
31:32
An interesting mask where is it from or why is there a boat propeller hanging on your wall?
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่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ใƒžใ‚นใ‚ฏใงใ™ใ€‚ใใ‚Œใฏใฉใ“ใ‹ใ‚‰ๆฅใŸใฎใ‹ใ€ใชใœใ‚ใชใŸใฎๅฃใซใƒœใƒผใƒˆใฎใƒ—ใƒญใƒšใƒฉใŒใถใ‚‰ไธ‹ใŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ‹?
31:36
Or what's this picture right?
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ใพใŸใฏใ€ใ“ใฎๅ†™็œŸใฏไฝ•ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
31:38
and so I intuitively
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31:39
know all these things though that boat propeller is when I went down the mekong in Laos, and and this mask is is a
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31:45
You know a dance mask from Korea
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31:47
And I got it at the market at this specific market and and so it's interesting
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ใใ—ใฆ็งใฏใ“ใฎ็‰นๅฎšใฎๅธ‚ๅ ดใฎๅธ‚ๅ ดใงใใ‚Œใ‚’ๆ‰‹ใซๅ…ฅใ‚Œใพใ—ใŸ... ้ข็™ฝใ„
31:50
I think one take home if you read my book is that suddenly you'll realize how?
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ใงใ™ใ€‚็งใฎๆœฌใ‚’่ชญใ‚“ใงใ€็ช็„ถใ€ใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๆฐ—ไป˜ใใฎใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹ใ€‚
31:56
Without even realizing it your youth most of us surround ourselves with these objects that remind us of the mean of life
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ่‹ฅใ•ใซๆฐ—ไป˜ใ‹ใชใ„ใ†ใกใซใ€็งใŸใกใฎใปใจใ‚“ใฉใฏใ€ไบบ็”Ÿใฎๆ„ๅ‘ณใ‚’ๆ€ใ„ๅ‡บใ•ใ›ใ‚‹ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎใ‚ชใƒ–ใ‚ธใ‚งใ‚ฏใƒˆใซๅ›ฒใพใ‚Œใฆ
32:04
And I think a lot of people like I didn't really consider myself a big souvenir collector before I wrote the book
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ใ„ใพใ™ ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅคšใใฎไบบใฏใ€ๆœฌใ‚’ๆ›ธใๅ‰ใฏใ€่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใ‚’ใŠๅœŸ็”ฃใฎใ‚ณใƒฌใ‚ฏใ‚ฟใƒผใ ใจใฏๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใชใ‹ใฃใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
32:09
But as I wrote the book. I realized that in a very subtle way
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็งใŒๆ›ธใ„ใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใซ ๆœฌใ€‚ ้žๅธธใซๅพฎๅฆ™ใชๆ–นๆณ•ใงใ€
32:12
I have always used souvenirs and objects to sort of ground myself in in a kind of sense of self so
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็งใฏใ„ใคใ‚‚ใŠๅœŸ็”ฃใ‚„ใ‚ชใƒ–ใ‚ธใ‚งใ‚ฏใƒˆใ‚’ไฝฟ็”จใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚ใ‚‹็จฎใฎ่‡ชๅทฑๆ„Ÿ่ฆšใซ่บซใ‚’็ฝฎใ„ใฆใ
32:20
It was it was a fun book to write. Yeah. I can't wait to read it
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32:24
I am super excited for that book to come out
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32:26
And it sounds like there's a lot of yeah a lot of deepness in there. I'm excited
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใ“ใซใฏใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎๆทฑใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใŒๅซใพใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่žใ“ใˆใพใ™. ็งใฏ่ˆˆๅฅฎใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™
32:32
March 8th
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32:35
Awesome well where can people find it in bookstores on Amazon or on your website or?
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32:40
They can find it on my website which is Rolf Potts calm
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32:44
Or. Just you know Rolf Potts souvenir you can go to Amazon or other online retailers
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ใ€‚ ใƒญใƒซใƒ•ใƒปใƒใƒƒใƒ„ใฎใŠๅœŸ็”ฃใฏใ€Amazon ใ‚„ไป–ใฎใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณๅฐๅฃฒๅบ—ใง่ณผๅ…ฅใงใใพใ™
32:50
Big book stores will probably have it it's part of the object lesson series not all bookstores carry the object lesson series
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32:57
You can order it through any bookstore, but probably the most dependable
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33:01
You know not to shill Amazon too much, but I live in the middle of nowhere
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33:04
and there's no bookstores, so I end up getting a lot of books and
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33:09
So that's a that's a dependable way to get the book. It's just to order it online
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ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใญ ใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณใงๆณจๆ–‡ใ™ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใงใ™
33:14
Perfect and if people want to find out more about you. Where should they go
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ใƒ‘ใƒผใƒ•ใ‚งใ‚ฏใƒˆใงใ€ไบบใ€…ใŒใ‚ใชใŸใซใคใ„ใฆใ‚‚ใฃใจ็Ÿฅใ‚ŠใŸใ„ๅ ดๅˆใ€‚ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใฉใ“ใธ่กŒใในใใ‹
33:19
They can start at Rolf Potts calm. That's a collection
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใƒญใƒซใƒ•ใƒปใƒใƒƒใƒ„ใฎ่ฝใก็€ใใ‹ใ‚‰ๅง‹ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™. ใใ‚Œใฏ
33:22
they can read a ton of my travel writing for free before they ever decide if they want to buy a
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ใ€ใƒใ‚ฌใƒœใƒณใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใƒณใ‚ฐใ‚’่ณผๅ…ฅใ™ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ€ใƒžใƒซใ‚ณใƒใƒผใƒญใŒ็งใฎไป–ใฎๆœฌใ‚’ใใ“ใซ่กŒใ‹ใชใ‹ใฃใŸใ‹ใ‚’ๆฑบๅฎšใ™ใ‚‹ๅ‰ใซใ€็งใฎๆ—…่กŒ่จ˜ใ‚’็„กๆ–™ใง่ชญใ‚€ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใ‚ณใƒฌใ‚ฏใ‚ทใƒงใƒณ
33:26
Vagabonding or Marco Polo didn't go there one of my other books. Yeah, so links to my social media
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ใงใ™. ใˆใˆใ€็งใฎใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚ทใƒฃใƒซ ใƒกใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใ‚ขใธใฎใƒชใƒณใ‚ฏใฏใ€
33:31
You know at Rolf COTS at instagram at Rolf Potts at Twitter. I'm not really super prolific on either
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Rolf COTS ใฎ instagram ใฎ Rolf Potts ใฎ Twitter ใงใ™ใ€‚ ็งใฏใฉใกใ‚‰ใ‚‚ใใ‚Œใปใฉๅคšไฝœใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“.
33:38
There's a lot of Hawaii pictures up on Instagram right now
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ไปŠInstagramใซใฏใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎใƒใƒฏใ‚คใฎๅ†™็œŸใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™.
33:41
Yeah, and then then there's a contact form there
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ใˆใˆ,ใใ‚Œใ‹ใ‚‰ใใ“ใซใฏ้€ฃ็ตกใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒผใƒ ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™.
33:44
And I always try my best to answer emails of you know for people who send me earnest
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็งใฏใ„ใคใ‚‚ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใƒกใƒผใƒซใซ็ญ”ใˆใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซๆœ€ๅ–„ใ‚’ๅฐฝใใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™.
33:50
enquiries and and greetings
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33:53
So that's the starting point Rolf pass calm perfect well
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ใใ‚ŒใŒๅ‡บ็™บ็‚นใงใ™ ใƒญใƒซใƒ• ใƒ‘ใ‚น ็ฉใ‚„ใ‹ใงๅฎŒ็’ง
33:56
I'm so glad you responded to my message and that we could have this conversation. Thank you so much off you bet happy travels
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ใงใ™ ็งใฏใ‚ใชใŸใŒ็งใฎใƒกใƒƒใ‚ปใƒผใ‚ธใซ่ฟ”ไฟกใ—ใฆใใ‚ŒใŸใ“ใจใ€ใใ—ใฆ็งใŸใกใŒใ“ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชไผš่ฉฑใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใฆใจใฆใ‚‚ใ†ใ‚Œใ—ใๆ€ใ„ใพใ™. ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™
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