Leadership: How to be a good follower

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μ•„λž˜ μ˜λ¬Έμžλ§‰μ„ λ”λΈ”ν΄λ¦­ν•˜μ‹œλ©΄ μ˜μƒμ΄ μž¬μƒλ©λ‹ˆλ‹€. λ²ˆμ—­λœ μžλ§‰μ€ 기계 λ²ˆμ—­λ©λ‹ˆλ‹€.

00:02
She hasn't always agreed with her boss,
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κ·Έλ…€λŠ” 항상 κ·Έλ…€μ˜ 상사와 λ™μ˜
00:05
but she still helps him lead.
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ν•˜μ§€λŠ” μ•Šμ•˜μ§€λ§Œ μ—¬μ „νžˆ κ·Έκ°€ μ΄λ„λŠ” 것을 λ•μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
00:07
We did it. We did it, Joe.
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μš°λ¦¬λŠ” ν•΄λƒˆλ‹€. μš°λ¦¬κ°€ ν•΄λƒˆμ–΄, μ‘°.
00:11
You're going to be the next president of the United States.
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당신은 미ꡭ의 μ°¨κΈ° λŒ€ν†΅λ Ήμ΄ 될 것 μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
00:15
He helps run a union
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κ·ΈλŠ” λ…Έμ‘° μš΄μ˜μ„
00:17
and has many leaders to please.
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돕고 λ§Žμ€ μ§€λ„μžλ“€μ„ 기쁘게 ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
00:21
All leaders have followers.
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λͺ¨λ“  λ¦¬λ”μ—κ²ŒλŠ” νŒ”λ‘œμ›Œκ°€ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
00:23
We will show you what it takes to be a good follower
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쒋은 νŒ”λ‘œμ›Œκ°€ 되기 μœ„ν•΄ 무엇이 ν•„μš”ν•œμ§€
00:26
and why it isn't so different to being a leader.
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, 리더가 λ˜λŠ” 것과 크게 λ‹€λ₯΄μ§€ μ•Šμ€ 이유λ₯Ό λ³΄μ—¬λ“œλ¦¬κ² μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
00:31
Kamala Harris – Vice President of the United States:
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카말라 ν•΄λ¦¬μŠ€(Kamala Harris) – λ―Έκ΅­ 뢀톡령:
00:35
she has strongly criticised the man she now works for,
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κ·Έλ…€λŠ” ν˜„μž¬ κ·Έλ…€κ°€ μΌν•˜λŠ” μ‚¬λžŒμΈ
00:39
President Joe Biden.
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μ‘° 바이든 λŒ€ν†΅λ Ήμ„ κ°•λ ₯ν•˜κ²Œ λΉ„νŒν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
00:41
She questioned him about racial issues and his past policies.
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κ·Έλ…€λŠ” κ·Έμ—κ²Œ 인쒅 λ¬Έμ œμ™€ 그의 κ³Όκ±° 정책에 λŒ€ν•΄ μ§ˆλ¬Έν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
00:46
So, why would he choose her as a deputy?
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κ·Έλ ‡λ‹€λ©΄ μ™œ κ·Έλ…€λ₯Ό λŒ€λ¦¬μΈμœΌλ‘œ μ„ νƒν–ˆμ„κΉŒμš”?
00:49
Why would she follow him?
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κ·Έλ…€λŠ” μ™œ κ·Έλ₯Ό λ”°λΌκ°ˆκΉŒμš”?
00:51
We did it. We did it, Joe.
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μš°λ¦¬λŠ” ν•΄λƒˆλ‹€. μš°λ¦¬κ°€ ν•΄λƒˆμ–΄, μ‘°.
00:55
You're going be the next president of the United States.
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당신은 미ꡭ의 μ°¨κΈ° λŒ€ν†΅λ Ήμ΄ 될 것 μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
00:58
She's very different to the vice president before her.
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κ·Έλ…€λŠ” 이전 뢀톡령과 맀우 λ‹€λ¦…λ‹ˆλ‹€ .
01:02
Mike Pence got a reputation for being a reliable,
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Mike PenceλŠ” μ‹ λ’°ν•  수 있고
01:05
quiet supporter of his president.
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μ‘°μš©ν•œ λŒ€ν†΅λ Ή μ§€μ§€μžλ‘œ λͺ…성을 μ–»μ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
01:07
Was he too quiet?
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λ„ˆλ¬΄ μ‘°μš©ν–ˆλ‚˜μš”?
01:09
Kamala Harris is obviously not from the same background as her boss,
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Kamala HarrisλŠ” λΆ„λͺ…νžˆ κ·Έλ…€μ˜ 상사와 같은 배경을 가지고 μžˆμ§€
01:13
but that works for President Biden.
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μ•Šμ§€λ§Œ Biden λŒ€ν†΅λ Ήμ—κ²ŒλŠ” νš¨κ³Όκ°€ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
01:16
America's race divide was a big issue in 2020,
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미ꡭ의 인쒅 격차 λŠ” κ·Έκ°€ λ‹Ήμ„ λœ 해인 2020년에 큰 μ΄μŠˆμ˜€λ‹€
01:19
the year he got elected.
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. 그의 νŒ€μ—
01:22
Having Kamala Harris on his team
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Kamala Harrisκ°€ 있으면
01:24
made him more appealing to ethnic and minority people.
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μ†Œμˆ˜ λ―Όμ‘±κ³Ό μ†Œμˆ˜ λ―Όμ‘±μ—κ²Œ 더 맀λ ₯μ μ΄μ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
01:28
But following him gives her more power, so they both win.
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κ·ΈλŸ¬λ‚˜ κ·Έλ₯Ό λ”°λ₯΄λŠ” 것은 κ·Έλ…€μ—κ²Œ 더 λ§Žμ€ νž˜μ„ μ£Όλ―€λ‘œ λ‘˜ λ‹€ μŠΉλ¦¬ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
01:32
What can we learn from this?
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μ΄κ²ƒμ—μ„œ μš°λ¦¬λŠ” 무엇을 배울 수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆκΉŒ?
01:36
If you think about Kamala Harris' experience –
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카말라 ν•΄λ¦¬μŠ€μ˜ κ²½ν—˜μ— λŒ€ν•΄ 생각해보면 –
01:39
she's had a lot of experience,
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κ·Έλ…€
01:41
both as a political leader and as a political follower,
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λŠ” μ •μΉ˜ μ§€λ„μž 이자 μ •μΉ˜μ  μΆ”μ’…μžλ‘œμ„œ
01:43
and a legal leader and follower –
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, 법적 μ§€λ„μž 이자 μΆ”μ’…μžλ‘œμ„œ λ§Žμ€ κ²½ν—˜μ„ 가지고
01:46
and if you compare that to somebody like Pence,
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μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
01:49
it becomes relatively clear, quite quickly,
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바이든
01:53
that her relationship to the President – to Biden –
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에 λŒ€ν•œ κ·Έλ…€μ˜ 관계
01:56
is different in the sense that she is prepared to support him,
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λŠ” κ·Έλ…€κ°€ κ·Έλ₯Ό 지지할 μ€€λΉ„κ°€ λ˜μ–΄ μžˆλ‹€λŠ” μ μ—μ„œ
02:00
but also to be critical of him, or to make him more cautious,
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λ‹€λ₯΄μ§€λ§Œ κ·Έλ₯Ό λΉ„νŒ ν•˜κ±°λ‚˜ κ·Έλ₯Ό 더 μ‘°μ‹¬μŠ€λŸ½κ²Œ λ§Œλ“€ 수 μžˆλ‹€λŠ” μ μ—μ„œ λ‹€λ¦…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
02:05
which is something which Pence has never really done with Trump.
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μ΄λŠ” 펜슀 κ°€ μ‹€μ œλ‘œ ν•œ 적이 μ—†λŠ” μΌμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€. μ§€μš°λ‹€.
02:09
As an experienced politician,
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κ²½ν—˜μ΄ ν’λΆ€ν•œ μ •μΉ˜μΈμœΌλ‘œμ„œ
02:11
Β  Kamala Harris is able to be both critical and supportive of Biden.
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Kamala Harris λŠ” Biden을 λΉ„νŒν•˜κ³  지지할 수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
02:15
Why is this important for a president?
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이것이 λŒ€ν†΅λ Ήμ—κ²Œ μ™œ μ€‘μš”ν•œκ°€?
02:19
Trump really didn't have anybody who followed him
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νŠΈλŸΌν”„λŠ”
02:21
in the sense of being what we might call
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02:25
some kind of constructive dissenter –
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μΌμ’…μ˜ 건섀적인 λ°˜λŒ€μž,
02:27
i.e. somebody who was willing to follow,
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즉 기꺼이
02:30
but at the same time was aware of where the leader was trying to go.
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λ”°λ₯΄μ§€λ§Œ λ™μ‹œμ— μ§€λ„μžκ°€ κ°€λ €κ³  ν•˜λŠ” λ°©ν–₯을 μ•Œκ³  μžˆλŠ” μ‚¬λžŒμ΄λΌλŠ” μ˜λ―Έμ—μ„œ κ·Έλ₯Ό λ”°λ₯΄λŠ” μ‚¬λžŒμ΄ μ—†μ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
02:34
So, I don't think... I think Kamala Harris has got that notion
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μ €λŠ” μƒκ°ν•˜μ§€ μ•ŠμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€... 제 μƒκ°μ—λŠ” 카말라 ν•΄λ¦¬μŠ€κ°€ 건섀적, 건섀적인 λ°˜λŒ€μžλΌλŠ” κ°œλ…μ„ 가지고 μžˆλ‹€κ³  μƒκ°ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
02:37
of being constructive, being a constructive dissenter,
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02:41
and perhaps Pence is the opposite:
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μ•„λ§ˆλ„ νŽœμŠ€λŠ” κ·Έ λ°˜λŒ€
02:44
Pence might be regarded as a destructive consenter.
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일 것 μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
02:47
So, he will allow things... he allowed things
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ κ·ΈλŠ” 일을 ν—ˆμš©ν•  κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€... κ·ΈλŠ” 일이 잘λͺ»λœ λ°©ν–₯
02:50
to go ahead without dissenting from them,
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으둜 κ°€κ³  μžˆλ‹€λŠ” 것을 μ•Œλ©΄μ„œ λ°˜λŒ€ν•˜μ§€ μ•Šκ³  일이 μ§„ν–‰λ˜λ„λ‘ ν—ˆμš© ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€
02:53
knowing probably that they were going in the wrong direction.
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.
02:56
Kamala Harris is a constructive dissenter:
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Kamala HarrisλŠ” 건섀적인 λ°˜λŒ€μžμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
02:59
she is someone who wants to help – be constructive –
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κ·Έλ…€λŠ” κ±΄μ„€μ μœΌλ‘œ 돕고
03:03
but is not afraid to challenge – be a dissenter.
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μ‹Άμ§€λ§Œ λ„μ „ν•˜λŠ” 것을 λ‘λ €μ›Œν•˜μ§€ μ•Šκ³  λ°˜λŒ€μžκ°€ λ˜λŠ” μ‚¬λžŒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
03:06
Mike Pence was perhaps the opposite. Was this wrong?
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Mike PenceλŠ” μ•„λ§ˆλ„ κ·Έ λ°˜λŒ€μ˜€μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. 이것이 잘λͺ» λ˜μ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆκΉŒ?
03:10
You have some kind of responsibility to ensure –
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03:15
if you accept the leader's authority as legitimate –
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λ¦¬λ”μ˜ κΆŒν•œμ„ μ •λ‹Ήν•œ
03:18
to ensure that that… that the direction travelled is the right direction,
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κ²ƒμœΌλ‘œ 받아듀인닀면 κ·Έ λ°©ν–₯ 이 μ˜¬λ°”λ₯Έ λ°©ν–₯인지 확인해야 ν•  μ–΄λ–€ μ’…λ₯˜μ˜ μ±…μž„
03:23
as opposed to – you're going in that direction
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이
03:25
because the leader has told you it's the right direction,
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μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
03:28
because it might not be.
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그렇지 μ•Šμ„ μˆ˜λ„ 있기 λ•Œλ¬Έμ— μ˜¬λ°”λ₯Έ λ°©ν–₯μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
03:31
So, followers do have a responsibility to challenge their leaders
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λ”°λΌμ„œ νŒ”λ‘œμ›ŒλŠ” μžμ‹ μ΄ μ‹€μˆ˜ν•˜κ³  μžˆλ‹€κ³  μƒκ°ν•˜λŠ” 경우 λ¦¬λ”μ—κ²Œ 문제λ₯Ό μ œκΈ°ν•  μ±…μž„μ΄ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€
03:34
if they think they are making a mistake.
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.
03:37
Does this make them the best kind of follower?
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이것이 그듀을 졜고의 μΆ”μ’…μžλ‘œ λ§Œλ“œλŠ”κ°€? νŠΉμ • μƒν™©μ—μ„œλŠ”
03:40
I think it's probably somebody, who's willing and able
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기꺼이 λ°˜λŒ€ν•  수
03:43
to dissent under certain circumstances,
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03:46
but under other circumstances is willing to comply.
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μžˆμ§€λ§Œ λ‹€λ₯Έ 상황 μ—μ„œλŠ” 기꺼이 λ”°λ₯Ό 수 μžˆλŠ” μ‚¬λžŒμ΄λΌκ³  μƒκ°ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
03:49
I mean, you don't want people to dissent all the time,
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λ‚΄ 말은, 당신은 μ‚¬λžŒλ“€ 이 항상 λ°˜λŒ€ν•˜λŠ”
03:52
otherwise we'd never get anything done,
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것을 μ›ν•˜μ§€ μ•ŠλŠ”λ‹€λŠ” κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€. 그렇지 μ•ŠμœΌλ©΄ μš°λ¦¬λŠ” κ²°μ½” 아무것도 ν•  수 없을 κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
03:54
but you need to have some level of dissent,
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κ·ΈλŸ¬λ‚˜ 당신은 μ–΄λŠ μ •λ„μ˜ λ°˜λŒ€κ°€ ν•„μš”
03:56
or some level of resistance, if necessary.
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ν•˜κ±°λ‚˜ ν•„μš”ν•˜λ‹€λ©΄ μ–΄λŠ μ •λ„μ˜ 저항이 ν•„μš”ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
03:59
And I think that the difficulty with...
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그리고 제 생각에 λ¦¬λ”μ˜ 어렀움
04:01
for leaders is trying to accept
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은 리더가 되고자
04:03
that the people that are trying to lead
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ν•˜λŠ” μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ΄
04:06
might not necessarily agree with them.
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λ°˜λ“œμ‹œ κ·Έλ“€μ—κ²Œ λ™μ˜ν•˜μ§€ μ•Šμ„ μˆ˜λ„ μžˆλ‹€λŠ” 사싀을 받아듀이렀고 λ…Έλ ₯ν•˜λŠ” κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
04:09
So leaders, if you want good followers,
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λ”°λΌμ„œ μ§€λ„μžλ“€μ΄ 쒋은 μΆ”μ’…μžλ₯Ό
04:11
you need to listen to them and accept criticism.
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μ›ν•œλ‹€λ©΄ κ·Έλ“€μ˜ 말을 λ“£κ³  λΉ„νŒμ„ λ°›μ•„λ“€μ—¬μ•Ό ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
04:15
How easy is that to do?
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μ–Όλ§ˆλ‚˜ μ‰¬μš΄ μΌμž…λ‹ˆκΉŒ?
04:17
I think a lot of this is about trust:
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λ‚˜λŠ” 이것이 신뒰에 κ΄€ν•œ 것이라고 μƒκ°ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€. μ‹ λ’° 관계
04:19
you have to be able to build up the relationship of trust,
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λ₯Ό ꡬ좕할 수 μžˆμ–΄μ•Ό
04:22
so that when followers criticise you,
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μΆ”μ’…μž 듀이 당신을 λΉ„νŒ
04:25
you're willing to accept it as a useful and truthful criticism,
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ν•  λ•Œ 쑰직에 μœ μ΅ν•œ μœ μš©ν•˜κ³  μ§„μ‹€λœ λΉ„νŒμœΌλ‘œ 받아듀일 수
04:29
which is beneficial for the organisation
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μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
04:31
and not necessarily a personal thing,
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λ°˜λ“œμ‹œ 개인적인 일
04:33
or something to do with this poor relationship.
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μ΄κ±°λ‚˜ 이 μ—΄μ•…ν•œ 관계와 관련이 μžˆλŠ” 것은 μ•„λ‹™λ‹ˆλ‹€.
04:37
Trust between leaders and followers is key.
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리더 와 μΆ”μ’…μž κ°„μ˜ μ‹ λ’°κ°€ ν•΅μ‹¬μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€. 상사든
04:40
If you trust the other person,
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직원이든 μƒλŒ€λ°©μ„ μ‹ λ’°ν•œλ‹€λ©΄
04:42
whether they are your boss or your employee,
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04:45
constructive criticism is easier to take.
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건섀적인 λΉ„νŒ 을 받아듀이기가 더 μ‰½μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
04:53
Andrew Pakes knows about pressuring those in power.
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Andrew Pakes λŠ” ꢌλ ₯을 가진 μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ„ μ••λ°•ν•˜λŠ” 방법을 μ•Œκ³  μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
04:57
He is deputy secretary general of the Prospect Union in the UK.
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κ·ΈλŠ” 영ꡭ Prospect Union의 사무차μž₯μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
05:03
Prospect works to improve living and working conditions for its members.
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ProspectλŠ” νšŒμ›λ“€μ˜ μƒν™œ 및 μž‘μ—… ν™˜κ²½μ„ κ°œμ„ ν•˜κΈ° μœ„ν•΄ λ…Έλ ₯ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
05:08
It represents workers from many different professions.
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그것은 λ‹€μ–‘ν•œ μ§μ—…μ˜ 근둜자λ₯Ό λ‚˜νƒ€λƒ…λ‹ˆλ‹€ .
05:11
Many lost vital income during the pandemic.
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λ§Žμ€ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ΄ λŒ€μœ ν–‰ κΈ°κ°„ λ™μ•ˆ μ€‘μš”ν•œ μˆ˜μž…μ„ μžƒμ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€ .
05:15
Others found work coming home with them.
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λ‹€λ₯Έ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€ 은 κ·Έλ“€κ³Ό ν•¨κ»˜ μ§‘μœΌλ‘œ μ˜€λŠ” 일을 μ°Ύμ•˜μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
05:18
Andrew must be alert to his members' concerns
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AndrewλŠ” νšŒμ›λ“€μ˜ 우렀 사항에 주의λ₯Ό κΈ°μšΈμ—¬μ•Ό
05:21
and also work to influence those in power.
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ν•˜λ©° ꢌλ ₯을 가진 μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ—κ²Œ 영ν–₯을 미치기 μœ„ν•΄ λ…Έλ ₯ν•΄μ•Ό ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€ .
05:25
Leadership's a really important concept for us as a union.
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리더십 은 λ…Έμ‘°λ‘œμ„œ μš°λ¦¬μ—κ²Œ 정말 μ€‘μš”ν•œ κ°œλ…μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
05:30
We're a membership organisation: we describe ourselves as member-led
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μš°λ¦¬λŠ” νšŒμ›μ œ μ‘°μ§μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€. μš°λ¦¬λŠ” 슀슀둜λ₯Ό νšŒμ› 주도라고 μ„€λͺ…
05:34
and so the most important question for us
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ν•˜λ―€λ‘œ 리더십과 κ΄€λ ¨ ν•˜μ—¬ μš°λ¦¬μ—κ²Œ κ°€μž₯ μ€‘μš”ν•œ 질문
05:38
around leadership starts with members themselves –
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은 νšŒμ› μžμ²΄μ—μ„œ μ‹œμž‘ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€
05:41
and that's their relationship to the work they do.
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. 이것이 그듀이 ν•˜λŠ” 일과 νšŒμ›μ˜ κ΄€κ³„μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
05:44
So, on joining, our members
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ κ°€μž…ν•  λ•Œ 우리 νšŒμ›λ“€μ€
05:46
usually form together with other coworkers
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일반적 으둜 λ‹€λ₯Έ λ™λ£Œλ“€κ³Ό ν•¨κ»˜ κ΅¬μ„±ν•˜κ³  쑰직의 지역 μˆ˜μ€€μΈ
05:49
and have what we would call a branch,
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지점이라고 λΆ€λ₯΄λŠ” 것을 κ°–κ²Œ
05:51
which is the local level of organisation.
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λ©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
05:54
Andrew Pakes might be one of the union's leaders,
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Andrew PakesλŠ” λ…Έμ‘° μ§€λ„μž 쀑 ν•œ λͺ…일 수 μžˆμ§€λ§Œ μ‘°ν•©μ›μ˜
05:58
but he follows the concerns of his members.
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관심사λ₯Ό λ”°λ¦…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:00
They have the power.
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그듀은 힘이 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:02
One of the challenges for us, as a union
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06:05
that is based on grassroots volunteers and activists,
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ν’€λΏŒλ¦¬ μžμ›λ΄‰μ‚¬μžμ™€ ν™œλ™κ°€λ₯Ό 기반으둜 ν•˜λŠ” λ…Έλ™μ‘°ν•©μœΌλ‘œμ„œ μš°λ¦¬κ°€ λ‹Ήλ©΄ν•œ 과제 쀑 ν•˜λ‚˜λŠ” 150,000λͺ…μ˜ λ‹€λ₯Έ νšŒμ›λ“€κ³Ό ν•¨κ»˜ κ°œλ³„ μ§€μ—­μ˜ 견해
06:09
is how do you aggregate individual local views
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λ₯Ό μ–΄λ–»κ²Œ 톡합할 것인가 ν•˜λŠ” κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€
06:13
alongside 150,000 other members?
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.
06:16
And I think that's always a dynamic challenge for us.
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그리고 μ €λŠ” 그것이 μš°λ¦¬μ—κ²Œ 항상 역동적인 도전이라고 μƒκ°ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:19
We have some traditional mechanisms for doing that, through democracy:
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μš°λ¦¬λŠ” 민주주의λ₯Ό 톡해 이λ₯Ό μˆ˜ν–‰ν•˜κΈ° μœ„ν•œ λͺ‡ 가지 전톡적인 λ©”μ»€λ‹ˆμ¦˜μ„ 가지고 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:24
that members form in a branch and they can then debate issues,
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νšŒμ›λ“€μ΄ μ§€νšŒλ₯Ό ν˜•μ„±ν•˜κ³  λ¬Έμ œμ— λŒ€ν•΄ ν† λ‘ ν•˜κ³ 
06:28
pass motions, and those motions can then go up to our conferences,
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λ™μ˜λ₯Ό 톡과할 수 있으며 μ΄λŸ¬ν•œ λ™μ˜ κ°€ νšŒμ˜μ— 상정될 수 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:32
where branches and members from across the country,
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06:35
or across industries, come together.
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μ‚°μ—… , ν•¨κ»˜ ν•˜μ„Έμš”.
06:36
And that's a really important part of our governance.
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그리고 그것은 우리 κ±°λ²„λ„ŒμŠ€μ˜ 정말 μ€‘μš”ν•œ λΆ€λΆ„μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:39
With so many members, the challenge for Andrew's team
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ꡬ성원이 λ„ˆλ¬΄ λ§Žμ€ 상황 μ—μ„œ Andrew νŒ€μ˜ 과제
06:43
is to ensure everybody is heard.
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λŠ” λͺ¨λ“  μ‚¬λžŒμ˜ μ˜κ²¬μ„ κ²½μ²­ν•˜λŠ” κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:45
There are traditional and modern ways of doing that.
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이λ₯Ό μˆ˜ν–‰ν•˜λŠ” 전톡적 방법과 ν˜„λŒ€μ  방법이 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:48
So, how does he interact with government?
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κ·Έλ ‡λ‹€λ©΄ κ·ΈλŠ” 정뢀와 μ–΄λ–»κ²Œ μƒν˜Έ μž‘μš©ν•©λ‹ˆκΉŒ? νšŒμ›λ“€μ΄ μ›ν•˜λŠ” 지도λ ₯을 보여주고
06:51
I think there's a real push and pull with government
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06:53
about making sure that they are showing the leadership
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μžˆλŠ”μ§€ ν™•μΈν•˜λŠ” 데 μžˆμ–΄ 정뢀와 μ‹€μ§ˆμ μΈ λ°€κ³  λ‹ΉκΈ°κΈ°κ°€ μžˆλ‹€κ³  생각
06:57
that our members want them to.
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ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
06:59
Sometimes we know government is planning for a big issue;
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λ•Œλ•Œλ‘œ μš°λ¦¬λŠ” μ •λΆ€ κ°€ 큰 문제λ₯Ό κ³„νšν•˜κ³  μžˆλ‹€λŠ” 것을 μ••λ‹ˆλ‹€.
07:03
other times, it comes from us listening
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λ‹€λ₯Έ λ•ŒλŠ”
07:05
and working with our members, you know.
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μš°λ¦¬κ°€ 멀버듀과 ν•¨κ»˜ λ“£κ³  μž‘μ—…ν•˜λŠ” κ²ƒμ—μ„œ λ‚˜μ˜΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
07:07
So, we're always – week in, week out –
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μš°λ¦¬λŠ” 항상 맀주
07:11
writing letters to ministers, speaking to officials
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μž₯κ΄€λ“€μ—κ²Œ νŽΈμ§€λ₯Ό μ“°κ³  κ³΅λ¬΄μ›λ“€μ—κ²Œ λ§ν•˜λ©°
07:15
and representing the views of our members at those issues.
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μ΄λŸ¬ν•œ λ¬Έμ œμ— λŒ€ν•œ νšŒμ›λ“€μ˜ 견해λ₯Ό λŒ€λ³€ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
07:19
You know, often power happens when most people don't see it:
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μ•„μ‹œλ‹€μ‹œν”Ό ꢌλ ₯은 λŒ€λΆ€λΆ„μ˜ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ΄ 보지 λͺ»ν• 
07:23
it's in day-to-day work.
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λ•Œ λ°œμƒν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€. ꢌλ ₯은 일상적인 μž‘μ—…μ— μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
07:25
Andrew and his team are constantly talking with
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Andrew와 그의 νŒ€μ€ μ§€μ†μ μœΌλ‘œ μ •λΆ€
07:28
and putting pressure on government,
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와 λŒ€ν™”ν•˜κ³  정뢀에 μ••λ ₯을 κ°€ν•˜κ³ 
07:30
and this is often done in ways that are not obvious,
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있으며 μ΄λŠ” μ’…μ’… λͺ…ν™•ν•˜μ§€ μ•Šμ€ λ°©μ‹μœΌλ‘œ
07:33
but there are successes.
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μ΄λ£¨μ–΄μ§€μ§€λ§Œ 성곡을 거두고 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
07:36
One of the big things we've learnt from lobbying government
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μš°λ¦¬κ°€ 정뢀에 λ‘œλΉ„λ₯Ό ν•˜λ©΄μ„œ 배운 큰 것 쀑 ν•˜λ‚˜λŠ” μž₯관듀이 λ°œν‘œλ₯Ό ν•œλ‹€κ³ 
07:39
is the job isn't done when ministers make their announcement.
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ν•΄μ„œ 일이 λλ‚œ 것이 μ•„λ‹ˆλΌλŠ” 것 μž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
07:45
We know from experience
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μš°λ¦¬λŠ”
07:47
that ministers making an announcement
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λͺ©νšŒμž
07:50
and delivery of those projects – there's often a big gap.
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듀이 κ·ΈλŸ¬ν•œ ν”„λ‘œμ νŠΈλ₯Ό λ°œν‘œν•˜κ³  μ „λ‹¬ν•œλ‹€λŠ” 것을 κ²½ν—˜μ„ 톡해 μ•Œκ³  μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€ . μ’…μ’… 큰 격차가 μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
07:54
And our job is to really stay on top of the issue
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그리고 우리의 μž„λ¬΄λŠ” 문제λ₯Ό μ§„μ •μœΌλ‘œ νŒŒμ•…ν•˜κ³  λκΉŒμ§€
07:59
and make sure we follow through.
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λ”°λΌκ°€λŠ” κ²ƒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
08:01
Keeping up pressure on government never ends.
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정뢀에 μ••λ ₯을 κ°€ν•˜λŠ” 것은 κ²°μ½” λλ‚˜μ§€ μ•ŠμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
08:04
Even if they agree to change, Andrew keeps checking in with members
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그듀이 변경에 λ™μ˜ν•˜λ”λΌλ„ Andrew
08:08
to ensure that those promises are kept.
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λŠ” κ·ΈλŸ¬ν•œ 약속이 μ§€μΌœμ§€λŠ”μ§€ ν™•μΈν•˜κΈ° μœ„ν•΄ νšŒμ›λ“€κ³Ό 계속 ν™•μΈν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
08:16
So, followers have a vital role to play in leadership.
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λ”°λΌμ„œ νŒ”λ‘œμ›Œ λŠ” λ¦¬λ”μ‹­μ—μ„œ μ€‘μš”ν•œ 역할을 ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
08:19
The best followers are those willing
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졜고의 νŒ”λ‘œμ›ŒλŠ” 리더
08:21
to continuously challenge their leader
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μ—κ²Œ μ§€μ†μ μœΌλ‘œ λ„μ „ν•˜λ €λŠ” μ‚¬λžŒ
08:24
and the best leaders are those willing to listen.
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이고 졜고의 리더 λŠ” 기꺼이 κ²½μ²­ν•˜λŠ” μ‚¬λžŒμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
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