Are companies above the law? BBC Learning English

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Can anything be done to stop a multinational company
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that wants to abuse your rights?
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In this episode, we'll show you how international law
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keeps the world's biggest companies in line.
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Coming up: Nike's big ticking off...
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A sweet victory for Cadbury's workers...
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And how Shell's oil spills in Africa are dealt with in UK courts...
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First up: is the law strong enough to stop companies breaking it?
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Sometimes companies take it on themselves
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to look after their workers well.
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Chocolate makers Cadbury have sometimes been praised
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for actively improving the lives of their plantation workers:
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something called Corporate Social Responsibility, or CSR.
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But, without an international legal body to enforce rules,
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what can be done when companies don't choose to behave well?
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Time for some clever legal work.
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In the early 2000s, Nike denied claims its workers
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were being mistreated in foreign factories.
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So, a man called Mark Kasky took Nike to court,
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using American advertising laws forbidding companies
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from making 'false and misleading' claims over those denials.
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Nike defended themselves aggressively,
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going all the way to the country's top court
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to argue that they could say what they liked
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under free speech rules.
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Eventually, Nike lost and agreed to pay
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to strengthen workplace monitoring.
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We asked Mark whether he was worried about taking on Nike in court.
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The fact that it was Nike made... made no difference. In fact, there...
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there was a level playing field, we felt,
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in terms of the way the court would decide.
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Nike may have had a lot more money, but we felt we had the stronger case,
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even though we had lost at the local Municipal and the Appeals level.
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And we felt that there was no way – Nike can't...
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they can't use money to beat you; facts have to beat you.
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The... the logic of their case has to beat you.
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So, that shows that it doesn't matter how much money a company has;
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you have to rely on facts to win in court.
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How did he actually sue Nike?
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First of all, we sued at the... well, I...
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we sued at the Municipal Court level, which is local, and we lost there.
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Then we appealed it to the Appeals Court and we lost there as well,
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but we still felt we had a legitimate case
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and so we appealed to the California Supreme Court and there we prevailed.
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What this tells us is that you can challenge a court's ruling
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and try to win your case again by going to a higher court.
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So, what happened in the Supreme Court?
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When the California Supreme Court ruled in my favour, they were saying,
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'If you're making statements, factual statements,
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about your product – where they're produced, how they're produced,
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what's in them –
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and your intention is to convince people to buy your product,
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those statements must be true.
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And if it... if they aren't true, you will be sued and you will lose.
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So, this tells us that if a company lies about how it behaves,
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it risks being found out in court.
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Mark used a clever tactic
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by fighting over Nike's statements, not their working conditions.
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Conditions in other countries improved.
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So, how do you challenge a foreign multinational
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who's doing something wrong in your country?
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Let's go to Nigeria now, where the Bodo community live,
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relying on fishing and farming.
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In 2008, two massive oil spills from a Shell oil pipeline
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polluted their land and killed much of the marine life they relied on.
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Shell initially offered only food as compensation.
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The Bodo community took legal action in UK courts,
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even though the spills were in Nigeria.
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In 2014, four months before the case was due to be heard in court,
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the case was settled for £55 million.
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British law firm Leigh Day worked on the case.
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Daniel Leader, from Leigh Day, explained
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why this case was not heard in a Nigerian court.
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The case was heard in the UK because we decided
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to sue the UK-registered parent company
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for the failures of its Nigerian subsidiary,
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and the law in the UK is that if you can demonstrate
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the parent company was involved in some way
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in the failures of its subsidiary,
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then there's no reason why you can't hold it to account
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for those failures in the UK courts.
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And the rule, broadly, is that the country
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where the harm occurred
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is the system of law that the courts will apply.
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So, if you are a Nigerian fishermen suing Shell in the UK,
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the UK judge will apply Nigerian law
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and get expert evidence as to what the relevant Nigerian law is.
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You can sometimes sue a parent company in one country
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for the actions of its subsidiary in another country.
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You need to show the parent was controlling the subsidiary.
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What problems do multinational companies present lawyers?
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The fundamental issue is that
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they will not only hide behind their corporate structure
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but they'll also argue that they should be held to account locally,
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in the local jurisdictions,
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and the problem with that is actually you can't get justice
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if you are a poor community in Nigeria, or Kenya, or Zambia,
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because you simply don't have the resources to take on
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multinational companies within those legal systems.
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Multinational companies can argue cases should be heard locally
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to make it easier for them to win, rather than going to foreign courts,
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which may be more affordable for poor communities.
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So, do multinationals have to follow international human rights laws?
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So, the answer is increasingly they... they do,
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following the creation of something called
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the UN general principles on business and human rights,
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which everyone agreed to internationally –
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all countries and corporations agreed to internationally –
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about ten years ago, which applies human rights norms to companies.
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At the moment, they do not have the force of law: they are voluntary.
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But, there are moves afoot to give them legal standing.
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There are voluntary rules on human rights for companies,
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called the UN Guiding Principles.
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Many countries and organisations accept them.
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Campaigners are pushing for them to be binding.
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We've seen how using law internationally can mean
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you can fight cases in courts that suit you better.
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Sometimes this means companies can't hide from the law.
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Mark Kasky's case showed us how using national law cleverly
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can have a big, and positive, international impact.
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