How to Transform Your Climate Concern into Action | Jane Fonda | TED

翻译人员: Ryan Qiao 校对人员: suya f.

Pat Mitchell: Welcome, Jane.

帕特·米切尔：欢迎，简。

The last time you joined us --

上一次你参加我们的活动时——

Jane Fonda: Hi, Pat.

简·方达：嗨，帕特。

PM: It's so good to see you, as always.

帕特·米切尔：一如既往， 很高兴见到你。

The last time you joined us on TEDWomen, Jane,

简，上一次你参加 TEDWomen 的活动，

I was thinking about that this morning,

我今早回忆起来，

you were in the nation's capital, Washington, DC,

你当时在首都华盛顿特区，

and you were leading the weekly protests, Fire [Drill] Fridays --

正在领导一周一度的抗议活动 ——

Fire Drill Fridays,

“消防演习星期五” (Fire Drill Fridays)。

in partnership with the Greenpeace International.

这个活动是你与绿色和平 国际组织合作发起的。

You got arrested, it made headlines.

在活动中你被捕了， 登上了头条新闻。

and certainly, all of the civil disobedience actions

当然，所有这些公民不服从 (civil disobedience) 行为

brought attention to the crisis.

都引起了人们对这场危机的关注。

And I understand that you are restarting Fire Drill Fridays in December.

我了解到你将在十二月重新开始 “消防演习星期五”活动。

What are your goals and expectations?

这次你有什么目标和期待？

JF: Well, our goal with Fire Drill Fridays was and continues to be

简·方达：“消防演习星期五” 的目标自始至终都是

to move people from concern about the climate crisis

把人们对气候危机的担忧

to action about the climate crisis.

转变成对抗气候危机的行动。

And we've been successful.

而我们已经取得了一些成功。

We're coming back on December 2 to Washington, DC,

12月2日，我们会回到华盛顿特区，

for our first live, in-person rally,

举行我们的第一个 现场直播的线下集会。

which will address the outcome of the midterm elections.

届时我们也将讨论中期选举的结果。

And we'll talk about what climate activism needs to look like in 2023.

我们还将讨论2023年的 气候行动该如何进行。

But, you know, Pat, we never stopped the weekly rallies.

但你知道的，帕特， 我们从未停止过每周的集会。

When COVID hit, we went online with Fire Drill Fridays,

当新冠疫情爆发时，我们把 “消防演习星期五”搬到了线上。

and last week we had our 11 millionth viewer.

上周，我们的观众 已经达到了1100万人次。

It's working.

线上活动行之有效。

People who had never taken action before have been trained by Greenpeace US

一些以前从未行动的人们也参与进来， 接受了绿色和平美国的培训，

to write and call and visit their representatives.

去给他们当地的议员写信、 打电话，还有登门拜访。

They follow up on our calls to action,

他们响应了我们的行动号召，

they participate in getting out the vote and volunteering with candidates.

为候选人做义工，拉票。

For those in other countries, you should know,

对于其他国家的观众， 你们也许知道，

we have a very critical midterm elections coming up

我们即将迎来非常重要的中期选举。

in a couple of weeks.

就在几周之后。

Anyway, so our people are becoming activists,

无论如何，我们都成了活动家。

and Fire Drill Fridays, by the way, has become part of Greenpeace.

而“消防演习星期五” 也已经成为了绿色和平的一部分。

And we're very honored by that.

我们为此深感荣幸。

PM: Well, there is no question that it had impact.

帕特·米切尔：毫无疑问， 这些行动掷地有声。

And it's really encouraging to know that you're bringing back the actions

能看到你再次发起行动，召集大家，

and convening us again.

真是令人鼓舞。

And I'll certainly try and be there, Jane,

简，我一定会尽量到场，

to participate in Fire Drill Fridays.

去参加“消防演习星期五”。

And you mentioned the elections,

你提到了选举，

very important elections happening in the United States in November.

美国在11月有非常重要的选举。

And you have taken some additional action,

你还采取了其他的一些行动。

another priority, by creating what we call a political action committee, a PAC.

你的另一个优先事项就是 成立了一个政治行动委员会，

简称PAC

Explain your expectations

解释一下你的期望

and why you see this as a necessary action.

以及为什么你认为这是必要的行动。

JF: Well, after decades of marching and protesting and petitioning

简·方达：经过了几十年 的游行、抗议、请愿

and civil disobedience,

还有公民不服从 (civil disobedience)，

we still are not getting the kind of climate legislation

我们却依然没有促成

that is absolutely critical.

不可或缺的气候方面的立法。

What we need to do is reduce fossil fuel emissions.

我们需要减少化石燃料排放。

And, you know, recently in the US, we got the Inflation Reduction Act,

你知道的，最近在美国， 我们得到了《通胀削减法案》，

which puts a lot of money in renewables like electric vehicles

这为电动汽车等 可再生能源提供了大量资金，

and the grid

还有电网、

and solar panels and so forth.

太阳能板这些。

But too much legislation that would have been important has failed

但还有太多的重要 的立法都未能通过。

because both Republicans and Democrats take money from the fossil fuel industry.

因为不论是共和党还是民主党 都从化石燃料产业中获利。

And I know this is a huge problem in all oil and gas producing countries.

我知道这在所有的石油和天然气 生产国都是一个很大的问题。

And so earlier this year, we launched the Jane Fonda Climate PAC

因此，今年早些时候， 我们成立了简·方达气候 PAC。

with the unique goal of electing climate champions to office,

我们的独特目标是选举气候斗士，

not just top governmental office, but state and local offices

去就任不仅是高级政府职位， 还有州和地方职位。

which turn out to be really, really important.

这些基层的岗位至关重要。

You know, we have to break the stranglehold

你知道的，我们必须挣脱

that the fossil fuel industry has on our government,

化石燃料产业对我们政府的钳制，

not just here in North America,

不仅在北美，

but globally.

而且在全球范围内。

And that's why we're moving climate activism into the electoral arena,

这就是我们把气候行动 引入选举领域的原因。

which is kind of unique because we focus down ballot

这有些特别，因为我们关注 的重点在地方和基层，

and because we're trying to change the narrative about fossil fuels.

并且我们致力于改变 关于化石燃料的叙事。

You know, everybody talks about wind turbines and solar panels

你知道的，大家都在谈论 风力涡轮机、太阳能电池板

and electric vehicles,

还有电动汽车，

but that's not enough.

但这还远远不够。

And my PAC is only endorsing candidates who have signed a pledge

我的 PAC 只会支持 那些签署了承诺书，

to not take money from fossil fuel industry

承诺不从化石燃料产业 获得资金的候选人。

and who've publicly stood up and showed courage

我们公开地站出来，

in the face of the industry

勇敢地向化石燃料产业叫板，

and not afraid of holding them accountable.

向他们追责。

PM: And that was the criteria on which you selected the candidates.

帕特·米切尔：你提到的 这些是你选择候选人的标准。

I've also noticed some of them, maybe most of them are women.

我还注意到其中一些， 甚至大部分都是女性。

Seeing women taking those front line positions.

我看到女性在担任这些前线职务。

JF: Women of color.

简·方达：有色人种女性。

Very often they're the first -- the first woman, the first Latina,

她们常常是先驱 —— 首位女性、首位拉丁裔、

the first person under 30,

首位30岁以下的候选人。

they’re really breaking a lot of boundaries,

她们真的打破了很多界限，

and they're so brave.

敢为人先。

I was just in Texas,

我最近去了德克萨斯州，

and it's filled me with hope that will last me for years.

在那里的见闻让我满怀希望。 这份希望将经年累月地支撑我。

PM: Well, I want to come back to how you keep that hope alive, Jane,

帕特·米切尔：好的，简。

我想过会儿再回到你是如何 保持希望的这个话题。

because it's easy to look at the fact

因为显然，

that climate is not a partisan issue.

气候不是一个党派问题。

And yet, as you said,

然而，正如你所说的，

leaders on both sides of the aisle are still taking the money

两党的官员们仍然接受着

that's leading to the carbon emissions challenge.

加剧碳排放量问题的资金。

Why really, do you have a better understanding now

你是否现在有更好的理解，

and can you share it, of why we have such slow progress

并能与我们分享，

on addressing this urgent global crisis?

为什么我们在应对这个紧迫 的全球危机时进展如此缓慢？

JF: Well, I think a lot of it has to do with the fact

简·方达：我认为很大的一部分原因在于

that the fossil fuel industry is embedded in our government.

化石燃料产业 与我们政府的利害相关。

People on both sides of the aisles are taking money,

两党的人都在接受资金，

and so they don't speak out against the fossil fuel industry.

所以他们不会发声反对 化石燃料产业。

They only talk about the green alternatives,

他们只谈论那些更环保的选择。

and that's important.

找到更绿色的替代品诚然重要，

But not talking about fossil fuels is like trying to bail out a sinking boat

但对化石燃料的影响避而不谈，

without plugging the hole, you know.

就犹如扬汤止沸。

But there's been progress because more and more people do understand that,

但我们逐渐取得了一些进展， 因为越来越多的人意识到

that it is fossil fuels that are driving --

正是化石燃料的使用

burning of fossil fuels that's driving the climate crisis.

在加剧气候危机。

And this is really, really important.

能认识到这一点至关重要。

The science is very clear.

科学已经给了我们明确的答案。

We have seven years to cut our fossil fuel emissions in half

我们需要在7年之内 将化石燃料造成的碳排放量减半

in order to keep our global warming no higher than 1.5 degrees Celsius,

以将全球变暖控制 在1.5摄氏度之内。

higher than it was before the Industrial Revolution,

高出的1.5摄氏度是 和工业革命之前相比较，

which is when we started to burn fossil fuels.

也就是我们刚开始 燃烧化石燃料的时候。

So, I mean, I think there has been progress locally,

我认为在地方上，特别是在州和市，

especially in states and cities.

我们还是取得了一些进展的。

They've made progress to reduce their carbon footprint.

一些地方已经减少了他们的碳足迹。

It's just that more needs to be done urgently.

但我们还需要更多的， 更紧迫的行动。

And the reason that I'm talking about this

而我在像你提供的这类国际平台上

on an international forum like you've provided,

谈论这些的原因就是，

is because I think that a lot of countries,

我认为很多国家，

I'm thinking of Nigeria, for example,

我想到的比如尼日利亚，

have the same problems that the United States does,

面临着与美国相同的问题。

they produce oil,

他们也生产石油。

and that we need to be thinking more about taking the climate activism

因此我们需要更多地考虑

into the electoral arena, you know,

将气候行动带入选举领域，

recruit candidates and then train them

招募并培训候选人，

and teach them about climate science,

教给他们气候科学，

and then get them to run for office and make sure they win.

然后让他们竞选公职， 确保他们获胜。

This is really what the strategy is now.

这才是目前的策略。

PM: And you're so right, Jane,

帕特·米切尔：你说得太对了，简。

that is a strategy that could be exported to every country,

这是一种可以推广到每个国家的策略，

because in every country, or in most every country,

因为几乎在每个国家

there are elections.

都有选举。

And people can make a difference by the candidates they support

人们可以通过支持相应的候选人

and encourage to run.

来推动社会变革。

JF: Yeah.

简·方达：是的。

PM: I do think often of your activism

帕特·米切尔： 我常常想到你的行动主义，

and how you've sustained it,

以及你是如何坚持下去的，

especially when it comes to this issue, which sometimes feels intractable,

特别是在这个有时 看似无从下手的议题上。

although we know it isn't.

当然我们知道方法总是有的。

But when you hear scientists say seven years,

但当你听到科学家们 给出七年时限的最终通牒，

we're this far away, we haven't done this,

我们还差这么远，还没有做到，

we must do that,

而我们又必须做到。

it's easy to lose hope.

我们很容易失去希望。

It's easy to let fear that we can't do it

我们那些促成行动必要的希望，

replace the hope necessary to ignite action.

很容易被对失败的恐惧占据上风。

So what gives you hope?

所以，是什么给了你希望？

JF: Well, as I said, we have elections here in the US in less than two weeks.

简·方达：正如我提到的， 距离美国的选举还有不到两周。

And I've been traveling the country supporting amazing candidates

我一直往返于全国各地， 为我的气候PAC支持的那些

that my climate PAC is endorsing.

优秀的候选人加油打气。

You know, we don't have enough money yet,

即使我们暂时还没有足够的资金，

we're a new PAC,

你知道的，我们是一个新的PAC。

to play in the Senate arena or the governorship arena,

参加参议院的和各州州长的选举

which, you know, they cost a lot of money, those races.

需要大量的资金。

But the down ballot races, you know,

但更基层的选举，

the ones in the state legislatures and county supervisors

那些州立法机构 和县督察委员会的职务，

and attorneys general, things like that, are so important.

还有总检察长， 类似的基层岗位十分重要。

And every dollar that goes to those down ballot races means a lot.

而我们用于这些基层选举 的每一美元都举足轻重。

For for instance, in Texas, the Railroad Commission, oddly,

例如，在德克萨斯州， 有个叫做铁路委员会的机构，

is in charge of regulating and overseeing the oil and gas industry.

奇怪的是，它负责监管和 监督石油和天然气产业。

You know, historically it was supposed to regulate the railroad,

你知道的，它过去本应负责监管铁路，

but then when Texas became, you know, the massive oil and gas producer,

但当德克萨斯州开始大肆 生产石油和天然气时，

they switched the responsibilities of the Railroad Commission to oil and gas,

他们将铁路委员会的职责 转向了石油和天然气，

but they didn't change the name.

但他们并没有改名。

So a lot of people don't even know what the Railroad Commission does.

所以很多人甚至不知道 铁路委员会是做什么的。

And historically, all the commissioners, there's three of them,

当时的所有委员们， 他们一共有三人，

they've worked for the very industry that they're supposed to regulate, right?

他们只知道如何监管 他们本职的铁路，对吧？

Which means they do nothing.

所以他们什么也没做。

I don't know if people that are watching know about this

我不知道我们的观众是否了解，

or read about it in the paper,

或是在报纸上读到过，

but two years ago, when there was an extreme freeze

两年前，当极端寒潮来袭时，

and the electric generators failed to produce enough power

那些发电机没能生产足够的的电力

to keep the lights on and the heat running,

去维持照明和供暖的运转。

I talked to neighbors who were found frozen to death

有些居民被发现

in their own living rooms,

在自己家的客厅里冻死了。

and none of it needed to happen.

而这些本都不该发生。

Extreme weather had shut down the grid before,

事发之前，极端天气 曾经导致过电网瘫痪,

the Railroad Commission had been warned to weatherize to the grid

而铁路委员会也早已被警告 要加固电网，增强越冬御寒性。

and nothing was done.

可他们没有任何作为。

And still the grid hasn’t been weatherized.

电网没有被加固，

And so it remains very vulnerable to another disaster.

所以无法抵御新一场灾害。

So my PAC is endorsing just as one example,

因此，举个例子， 我的PAC正在支持一位

a young progressive Democrat, happens to be very handsome,

非常英俊年轻的进步民主党候选人，

named Luke Warford,

他叫卢克·沃福德( Luke Warford)，

he's 33 years old,

33岁，

he’s not afraid to hold the oil and gas industry accountable --

他敢于向石油和天然气产业追责 ——

not to build a career but to really make a difference.

不是为了虚名，而是为了 有所作为，促成改变。

And if he's elected,

如果他能当选，

it’s going to change how the Commission does its job.

就能对这个铁路委员会实施改革。

And believe me, Texans and the planet will be safer.

相信我，德克萨斯州居民 乃至整个地球都会变得更安全。

Not only has he pledged to weatherize the grid,

他承诺不仅要加固电网，

he's going to enforce regulations against flaring,

还将执行法规禁止天然气燃除，

which is a practice of burning excess gas

这是一种通过燃烧去除 石油生产过程中的

that releases methane into the atmosphere.

伴生天然气的方式， 向大气中释放甲烷。

And as you all probably know,

你们也许知道，

methane is the most damaging greenhouse gas,

甲烷是最有害的温室气体，

and Texas releases more of it than any other state.

而德克萨斯州是释放甲烷最多的州。

So this can all change if this young guy is elected to office.

所以如果这个年轻人可以当选， 这一切都会被改变。

And then in Harris County, Texas,

又比如说在德克萨斯州的哈里斯县。

Harris County is enormous, and it is ground zero

哈里斯县很大，

for the climate crisis in North America.

它就像是北美气候危机的爆炸原点。

And this woman immigrated with her family from Colombia,

而有这样一位女性，她和她的 家人从哥伦比亚移民而来。

she was elected as the top Harris County executive, Judge Lina Hidalgo,

她当选了哈里斯县的高级执行官。

她就是琳娜·伊达尔戈 (Lina Hidalgo)法官。

the first female and the first Latina

她是这个重要岗位上的

to ever hold that particular incredibly important office.

首位女性，也是首位拉丁裔女性。

And she became a citizen of the US in 2013,

她于2013年成为美国公民，

and she got elected in 2018.

而后在2018年当选。

You know, nobody took her seriously, you know.

你知道吗，没有人认真对待她。

Her opponent didn't even bother to campaign.

她的竞选对手甚至觉得 没必要去进行竞选游说。

But in the four years since she was elected to office,

但自从她当选以来的四年里，

she has blown everybody's mind by how much she's accomplished.

她的成就使人信服赞叹。

She's holding the fossil fuel industry accountable,

她向石油燃料产业问责，

she's made it easier to vote,

她让选民更容易投票，

she stopped a highway going through Houston.

她阻止了一条横穿休斯顿 的高速公路建造。

She's changed the way the county works.

她改变了县政府的运作方式。

She controls a four-billion-dollar budget

她掌控着四十亿美元的预算，

and has a robust climate plan

并拥有一个完善的气候计划，

to change how Harris County deals with fossil fuels.

以改变哈里斯县 对化石燃料的处理方式。

You know, she believes that the energy capital of the world

她认为世界能源之都

can also become the renewable energy capital of the world.

也能成为世界可再生能源之都。

And I've seen in the last month

在刚过去的这个月里，

how a big difference my new climate PAC is having on down ballot races

我看到了我们新的气候PAC 对基层选举产生的重大影响

like Luke's and Lina's.

就像卢克和琳娜的例子。

And this is what thrills me.

这激励着我。

This is what gives me hope.

这就是我的希望的来源。

I believe the most important thing that I've ever done is creating this PAC,

我认为成立这个PAC 是我做过的最重要的一件事，

and it's what I'm going to continue to do till I die.

也是我愿意为之奉献一生的事业。

PM: Jane, those kind of stories are what we need to hear.

帕特·米切尔：简， 我们需要听到这样的故事。

I mean, how inspiring is that, that one single individual has made that difference

我是说，这太鼓舞人心了。

一个个体竟能在他们的社群里

in their community?

激发如此大的变革。

And I want to come back to that.

我想一会儿再回到这个话题。

JF: It’s as though Vanessa Nakate ran for office,

简·方达：这就好像凡妮莎·纳卡特 (Vanessa Nakate)参加了选举，

you know what I mean?

你懂我的意思吧？

What would that look like?

那会是什么样子？

And I'm putting that out there

我这么说是因为

because maybe she could consider doing that, you know.

也许她可以考虑竞选。

PM: I hope Vanessa is listening,

帕特·米切尔： 我希望凡妮莎在听。

and if she is, we'll make sure that she gets this message.

如果她在，我们要确保 她收到这个消息。

Jane, we have a question from Kat,

简，我们有一个来自 凯特(Kat)的提问，

who is joining us from the TEDxWomen in Vail, Colorado.

她正从科罗拉多州的

韦尔市的 TEDxWomen 连线我们。

And you may have done this just now, but I'm sure there are others, she asked,

我知道也许你刚才已经 回答了这个问题，

但我相信你还有其他例子。她问，

"Could you describe what are your most joyful moments as a climate activist?"

“你能描述一下你作为气候活动家 的最快乐的那些时刻吗？”

JF: Well, frankly, I got back from Texas yesterday,

简·方达：实话说， 我昨天刚从德克萨斯州回来，

and my body is still humming

我感到我的身体仍然沉浸在

with the thrill of working with these young people.

与这些年轻人一起工作的激动中。

You know, and it had happened two weeks ago in New Mexico

你知道，在两周前也是， 在新墨西哥州，

with a young woman who's the public land commissioner,

我有机会和一位从事公共土地 专员工作的年轻女性合作，

also a Latina woman.

她同样也是一位拉丁裔女性。

And in Michigan with the attorney general,

再比如我在密歇根州和检察长

Dana Nessel.

达娜·内塞尔 (Dana Nessel)合作。

They are so brave,

她们敢为人先，

and they so understand that fossil fuels is what’s killing us.

并且她们非常清楚 化石燃料是气候问题的罪魁祸首。

And they’re not afraid to stand up

她们敢于站出来

to the big corporations.

与那些大型企业对峙。

And it just makes me --

这让我感到——

I can see the future when I'm with them.

和她们一起工作时， 我觉得我可以看到未来。

That's what gives me hope.

她们给我希望。

PM: And joy.

帕特·米切尔：还有喜悦。

We hear from a lot of people, though, you know,

但你知道，在听到这样的故事时，

will say back to a story like that,

很多人会说，那是因为

well, that person's an elected official

她们已经是当选的官员了，

or they've already taken a leadership position.

或者她们已经是领导者了。

And often you'll hear individuals say,

这些人会说，

"I just don't know what I can do

“我不知道作为社群中普通的个人

as an individual in the community."

我有什么可以做的。”

How do you respond to that?

你会作何应答？

JF: Right, well, that's a really, really important question.

简·方达：对， 这是一个非常重要的问题。

The truth is, there is limited impact that we can have alone,

事实上，我们一个人 所能产生的影响有限，

and there is infinite impact we can have together.

但是当我们团结一致时， 我们能产生的影响力是无穷的。

So the most important thing that any of us can do besides voting

因此除了投票之外， 我们每个人能做的最重要的事情，

is to join with others,

就是去参与，与其他人一起行动，

to share our passion so that we can have a bigger impact.

去传递我们的激情， 扩大我们的影响力。

You know, join an organization, join a climate group,

比如，加入一个组织， 加入一个气候团体，

get your community or your church group

呼吁你的社群或者教会团体

active on climate.

一起参与气候行动。

And you know, the great thing about doing this work with others,

而且你知道， 除了扩大影响力之外，

in addition to having a bigger impact,

与其他人合作的另一个很大的好处，

it's more fun, it's more rewarding.

就是这样更有趣，更有成就感。

We make new friends.

我们可以结交新朋友。

But to answer many people's questions,

说回到刚才的问题，

when it comes to individual choices,

关于作为个体的我们能做些什么，

a recent study has shown

最近的一项研究显示，

that there is one big impact

选择更加环保的生活方式

of making climate-friendly lifestyle choices.

也能对气候问题产生很大的积极影响。

Things like, you know, don't use single-use plastics anymore,

比如不再使用一次性塑料制品，

you know, ride a bike instead of driving a car, etc.

比如用骑自行车出行 代替驾驶机动车出行。

It increases your credibility as an advocate

身体力行也能提升 你作为提倡者的信誉度。

for the kind of bigger and bolder change that's needed.

这种信誉度在促成更广泛 更大胆的变革时十分必要。

So, you know, for example,

比如，

Greta Thunberg sailed across the ocean.

格蕾塔·通贝里（Greta Thunberg） 曾驾帆船横跨大洋。

This had no impact on actual carbon emissions and climate change,

这对碳排放量和气候变化 并没有实质的影响，

but it had an impact on people taking her message more seriously.

但这使人们认真对待她的呼吁。

And that's a really interesting finding.

这是一个非常有趣的发现。

So what follows then is that the way to increase the impact

因此我们知道，

of our individual choices

如果想要增加我们个体行动的影响力，

is to be sure that they’re visible.

就要增加这些行动的曝光度。

So that if you replace your old gas-powered water heater

所以比如你用电热水器

with an electric heat pump, for example,

取代了旧的燃气热水器，

or you install solar panels

或者你安装了太阳能板，

or you use a reusable water bottle,

或者你选择可重复使用的水瓶，

make it visible.

你要让这些选择变得可见。

Tell your neighbors, post pictures on social media.

告诉你的邻居们， 在社交媒体上发布照片。

You don’t have to be self-righteous or braggy about it,

你可以用一种吸引人的语气，

but in an inviting way.

而不必表现得自以为是或者自吹自擂。

"Hey, folks, here's an idea."

“嘿，朋友们， 我有一个好主意。”

You know, make it visible.

就像这样，提高曝光度。

PM: And make it personal.

帕特·米切尔：还有把它个人化。

As Mary Robinson also always encourages us,

就像玛丽·罗宾逊(Mary Robinson) 也鼓励我们做的那样，

do something personal everyday that moves us forward to a better time.

每天都在个人领域采取一些行动， 推动我们朝着更美好的未来迈进。

There's another question, Jane, that comes from Dallas, Texas.

简，还有一个问题， 来自德克萨斯州达拉斯市。

So I think people in Texas are paying attention

看起来德克萨斯州的人们

to the stories you've just shared.

正在关注你刚刚分享的故事。

She says,

她说，

"It's so important to be able to identify climate activists,

“重要的是能够识别出气候活动家，

the ones that will really fight for legislation

那些真正会为应对气候危机

to combat the climate crisis.

而进行斗争的人。

So how do we, meaning we at large in a community,

那么我们，广义上的人们，

know and back candidates

如何能发现和支持那些

who are going to actually fight for change?

真正会为之而战的候选者？

Is there certain criteria that you're using

你有没有什么在用的

and that would stand out for anyone

并能推荐给大家的标准

who claims to fight for green legislation?"

来甄别那些声称 会为绿色立法而战的人？”

JF: Yeah.

简·方达：好的。

Number one, do they take money from the fossil fuel industry?

首先，他们是否从 石油燃料产业获得资金？

That is a no-no,

如果是，一票否决。

because that means that they're not free

因为那意味着他们没有真正的自由

to really stand up to the fossil fuel industry.

去站出来与化石燃料产业对抗。

And here in the United States, in North America,

而在美国，在北美，

we have what's called the fossil fuel pledge,

我们有一个“拒绝化石燃料约言” (The Fossil Fuel Pledge)，

where many, many, many politicians and candidates sign a pledge

许多政治家和候选人签署这项承诺，

saying that they won't take money from these big corporations.

表示他们不会从这些化石燃料产业 的大公司那里接受资金。

And then the other thing that we look for:

第二，我们要看：

Has the candidate shown courage by standing up publicly in some way?

这位候选人是否在过去的经历中 展现出公开地挺身而出的勇气？

Have they opposed an oil pipeline?

他们是否反对过搭建石油管道？

Have they opposed something that might pollute the waterways

他们是否反对过那些 可能会对你的城镇或城市

in your town or city?

造成水体污染的东西？

Doing something publicly shows that you have real courage

公开采取行动表明你真的有勇气，

and you're willing to stand up and fight.

愿意站出来并进行斗争。

PM: And looking for the candidates who do that

帕特·米切尔：而我们要找到 那些敢为人先的候选者，

and then working for them,

帮助他们，

supporting them and encouraging them to run.

支持他们，鼓励他们参加竞选。

And that can, as you have reminded us,

而就像你之前说的一样， 这个将气候行动带入选举领域的策略

happen anywhere.

全球通用。

We have another question.

我们还有一个问题。

This one comes from New Jersey.

这个问题来自新泽西州。

“So many young people have now taken a stand

“如此之多的年轻人 已经群起响应

to support climate initiatives.

支持气候行动。

And at times we see their activism is motivated by fear about the future,

有时候我们会看到他们的动机 是出于对未来的担忧，

anger towards the older generations

出于对没能做出太多行动 阻止这一切发生的

who did so little to prevent this moment from happening.

老一代感到的愤怒。

What message do you give to young activists like Vanessa,

对于世界各地的 像凡妮莎这样的年轻活动家，

and others around the world,

你有什么信息要传达给她们，

to keep them in the streets demanding change?"

以支持她们走上街头， 要求变革呢？”

JF: Join them in the streets.

简·方达： 和她们一起走上街头。

That's what I did.

我就是这样做的。

I went to DC and got arrested five times with Fire Drill Fridays,

我去华盛顿特区 进行“消防演习星期五”活动的，

被逮捕了五次。

and we were there for four months getting arrested every Friday.

我们在那里活动的四个月里， 每个星期五都被捕。

We started out with 13 people getting arrested

我们最开始只有13人，

and by the time we end,

而到最后

there was a little less than a thousand.

我们有将近1000人。

I mean, it really grew.

我是说，我们的组织发展壮大了。

Words don't matter, show with your body,

行动起来比口头上说说更重要，

put your body on the line,

用行动证明

and show them that you are willing to join them in the streets.

让他们看到你愿意和 他们一起走上街头。

We need huge numbers.

我们需要大量的参与者。

Come and join us on December 2 in Washington, DC.

12月2日，

来华盛顿特区，加入我们。

PM: I plan to be there.

帕特·米切尔：我准备去参加。

Jane, we keep hearing a lot about the seven-year timeline,

简，人们总是在谈论这个七年的时限。

and we know that’s the timeline we have

我们都知道这是我们现在的时间线，

to reduce carbon emissions to where they need to be by 2030

要在2030年前 减少碳排放量到目标水平，

to get to net zero by 2050.

要在2050年前达到净零排放。

In order to do whatever is necessary,

要达到目标，

we have to imagine there's a better time.

我们要寄希望于一个更好的时代。

Some people have actually ...

有些人提到 ... ...

a wonderful Indigenous leader actually proposed the question,

杰德·贝盖(Jade Begay), 一位杰出的原住民领袖，

Jade Begay, she said, "What if our best times are ahead?"

提出了这个观点, “如果我们最好的时代在未来呢？”

And I frankly had never thought of that.

说实话，我从没这样设想过。

We think so much of the worse future we are rushing and hurtling towards.

我们总是设想着我们正在 向着更糟糕的未来极速前进。

How do you envision what might be our future, seven years from now?

你会如何展望我们七年之后的未来？

JF: Well, it's going to take a while

简·方达： 我认为改变需要一些时间，

because of all the heat that's already been baked in

因为全球变暖已然在发生，

because fossil fuel executives lied to us about what their emissions were doing,

因为那些化石燃料高管欺骗了我们， 隐瞒了他们的排放造成的恶劣影响。

you know, which they knew for four decades.

他们早在将近50年前就知道了。

But when I think of how the world will be generations from now,

但当我畅想几代人之后地球的光景，

if we do what science says we have to do,

如果我们依照科学行事，

I see healthier people

我看到更健康的人们，

because the air we breathe and the water we drink

因为他们呼吸的空气， 他们喝的水，

and the food we eat will be clean and safe.

还有他们吃的食物， 都会是干净、安全的。

Nature will begin to return.

大自然将开始复苏。

Species on the brink of extinction will rebound.

濒临灭绝的那些物种将恢复生机。

Coral reefs and dense forests

我们将充满喜悦地再次得见

and snow-capped mountains that we can see from a distance

那些珊瑚礁、葱郁的森林

will bring joy to us once again.

和一望无尽的白雪皑皑的群山。

And our little species, Homo sapiens,

而我们小小的物种，智人，

will feel happier and less anxious.

将会有更多的幸福和更少的焦虑。

Because, and I hope that along with confronting the climate crisis,

因为，我希望在 应对气候危机的同时，

we will have confronted economic inequality

我们也能够对抗贫富差距、

and misogyny and racism.

厌女和种族歧视。

Because, you know, the climate crisis has happened

因为，我们都知道， 气候危机的根源

because of a mindset of arrogance, greed and hierarchy.

在于傲慢、贪婪和等级固化的思想。

You know, some things like, white men are more important,

就是类似那种， “白人男性更重要”的想法。

they're on the top of the hierarchy,

好像他们站在金字塔的顶端，

they matter more than people of color or women or the natural world.

比有色人种、女性 和大自然都更重要。

But there would be no climate crisis without racism.

然而，如果没有种族迫害， 就不会有气候危机。

There would be no climate crisis without patriarchy.

如果没有父权制， 就不会有气候危机。

So it's going to be a beautiful future if we make it so.

因此如果我们能解决这些问题， 未来就会变得更美好。

And we are the last generation that can do so.

而我们是还来得及 扭转乾坤的最后一代。

And that is an awesome responsibility.

这是一个了不起的责任。

And this is an all-hands-on-deck moment.

这是一个众志成城的时刻。

So let's all join together.

所以，让我们团结起来。

PM: It's an awesome responsibility and an awesome opportunity

帕特·米切尔： 这真的是一个了不起的责任，

也是一个了不起的机会。

for us to do this together.

让我们大家携手努力。

JF: Opportunity, yes, good.

简·方达：机会，是的。 这么说很好。

PM: I just have to ask you, Jane, before we say goodbye,

帕特·米切尔：简，在我们 结束之前，我想要问你一下。

because so many people have written about their concerns

因为很多人都来信表示

of knowing that you are battling cancer,

他们对你正在对抗癌症的关切。

and we just want to know, you look fantastic,

你看起来很棒。 我们只是想知道，

but how is your health?

你的身体状况还好吗？

JF: Well for the week when I have chemo, you know, it's ...

简·方达：嗯， 在我接受化疗的那周，

I don't feel like my old self,

我感觉不太在状态。

but after that, I feel good.

但那之后，我感觉不错。

In fact, I feel better than ever because, you know,

其实我感觉比化疗之前好多了，

that cancer was in me, and it was kind of eating away at me,

因为之前癌细胞一直 在我体内，好像一直侵蚀着我，

and I was tired all the time, and I’m not anymore.

让我一直感到很疲惫。 而我现在不再疲惫了。

I got strong just in time for the midterm elections.

在中期选举之前， 我及时地恢复了精力。

I appreciate people's thoughts.

谢谢大家的关心。

I was hoping my hair would fall out, or I was going to shave my head

我化疗之前甚至有点儿希望 我的头发会掉光，

或者我会直接剃光头发，

and tattoo "climate emergency"

然后在新的空白处

on this new real estate that I was going to reclaim.

做一个写着“气候危机”的纹身。

But cancer activists don't like to have issues mixed together,

但癌症活动家们 不希望把这些问题混为一谈。

so I didn't want to do it if the cancer community wouldn't stand with me.

所以如果得不到癌症社群的支持， 我就不想要这么做了。

But it's good.

但我挺好的。

Thank you for thinking of me, and I'm just fine, thank you.

谢谢大家对我的关心。 我还好，谢谢。

PM: Well, it's just so great to know that you are well

帕特·米切尔： 很高兴知道你身体状况很好，

and you are continuing this work.

并能继续这项事业。

And as Jane reminds me, and I'm just going to quote her on this,

简曾经跟我说过， 我在这里直接引用她的话，

"Activism is the antidote to aging."

“行动主义是对抗衰老的解药。”

And Jane Fonda is a perfect example of that working,

而简·方达就是一个完美例证。

not just for her, but for the world.

不仅对她自己而言， 而更是对全世界而言。

Thank you so much, Jane, for joining us today.

简，非常感谢你今天来 参加我们的活动。

JF: Thank you for having me, Pat. It's great to see you.

简·方达：感谢你们的邀请，帕特。 见到你真好。