How to Solve the Education Crisis for Boys and Men | Richard Reeves | TED
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In 1972,
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1972年,
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the US passed a landmark
piece of legislation.
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美国通过了一项具
有里程碑意义的法案,
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The new law was called Title IX,
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新法案被称作
《教育修正法第九条》
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and it expanded economic
and educational opportunities for women,
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它拓宽了女性在经济
和教育方面的机会,
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especially in higher education.
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特别是在高等教育领域。
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Back then, there was
a 16-percentage-point gap
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在当时,大学学位授予方面,
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in the awarding of college degrees
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男性比女性
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in favor of men.
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高16%。
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Within a decade,
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在十年之内,
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women had caught up
and then just blew right past the men.
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女生很快赶上并且超过了男生。
00:33
Today, there's an 18-percentage-point gap
in the awarding of college degrees.
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今天,在授予大学学位方面
的性别差距是18%。
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So there's a bigger gender gap today,
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也就是说,在美国高等教育领域,
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in US higher education,
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现在的性别差距,
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than there was 50 years ago
when Title IX was passed.
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比50年前第九修正案
通过时更大了。
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It's just the other way around.
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事情向着相反的方向发展。
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I study inequality for a living,
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我一直研究不平等的问题,
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and for most of my career,
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大部分的时间,
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I focused on the divides
of class and race.
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我关注阶级和种族的分化。
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But in recent years,
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但是最近一些年,
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I've just been noticing
more and more gender gaps
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我关注到越来越大的性别差距,
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and not in the direction
that I was expecting.
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这与我所期待的方向相反。
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Probably like most of you,
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也许,像你们大多数人,
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I’m used to thinking
about gender equality
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我习惯于将性别平等,
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and the goal of gender
equality as synonymous
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以及性别平等的目标
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with the advancement of women and girls.
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等同于女性和孩的发展。
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But it's now clear
that there are many boys and men
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但是,现在的问题是
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who've fallen behind
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很多男性和男孩落后了,
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and that we have to be able to think
about gender inequality
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我们不得不思考两个方向的
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in both directions.
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性别不平等。
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One thing that makes that hard
is that the changes have been so quick,
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一个问题是,这个变化来的太快,
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so rapid,
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太迅速,
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that it's hard to update our beliefs
to match the new facts.
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我们还来不及去更新我们
的认知来适应新的状况。
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It's a bit like the needles
on a compass swinging round.
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有点像罗盘上摆动的指南针。
01:39
Suddenly north is south
and south is north.
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突然北变成了南,南变成了北。
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It's really quite disorienting.
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这真的让人晕头转向。
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But it's clear that on some
measures at least
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但是很清楚,在一些方面,
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now men are lagging quite a way behind,
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男性已经落在了后面,
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not least on college campuses.
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尤其在大学校园里。
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And that reflects the fact
that boys are trailing girls
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这反映出在整个教育系统里,
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throughout the education system.
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男孩落后于女孩的事实。
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Two thirds of the top academic
performers in high school,
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在学业优秀的高中生中,
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measured by GPA, are girls.
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三分之二是女孩。
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And two thirds of those
at the bottom are boys.
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而垫底的学生中,三分之二是男孩。
02:12
It's not just in the US.
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这不仅仅发生在美国。
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If we look at the 20 most economically
advanced countries in the world,
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让我们看看世界上经济最发达的20个国家,
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there's on average
a 13-percentage-point gap
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在获得大学学位方面,
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in the share of young men and young women
with a college degree,
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年轻男性和女性差距是13%,
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with young women much more likely
to have a college degree.
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也就是说,更多
的年轻女性获得大学学位。
02:27
And in some nations,
the gap is much bigger.
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在某些国家,这个差距更大。
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In Norway, for example,
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比如挪威,
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there's almost a 20-point gap.
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这个差距是20%。
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And just like in the US,
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和美国一样,
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these differences at the college level
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这些在大学方面的差距
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reflect what's happening
earlier in the school system.
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也反映出整个学校系统
早期的一些状况。
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It used to be that maybe boys
were ahead in math and science,
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过去我们认为,
在同样的标准下,
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girls were ahead in reading and language
in roughly equal measure.
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男孩在数学和科学方面更出色,
而女孩在阅读和语言方面更出色。
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That's not true today.
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而现在并非如此。
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Internationally, at the age of 15,
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在全球范围内,在15岁左右
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there's a five-point gap
in favor of boys and math.
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男孩比女孩在数学方面
更具优势(差距5%)。
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There's essentially no gap in science,
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在科学方面几乎没有差距,
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a slight gap in favor of girls
actually in science.
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女孩在科学方面甚至有微弱的优势。
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But boys are 30 points
behind girls at the age of 15
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而在阅读和语言能力上,
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in reading and language skills.
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15岁的男孩比女孩落后30%。
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But not all boys and men
are struggling in the same way.
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当然不是所有的男孩都学得很艰难。
03:15
The intersection of gender with class
and race really matters here.
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性别和阶层的交互效应也很重要。
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So boys from poorer households
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贫困家庭的男孩,
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and middle-class households,
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和中等家庭的男孩,
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much less likely to attend college
than girls from the same background.
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对比相同背景的女孩,
进入大学的可能性更低。
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But there's a much smaller gap
at the top of the economic ladder.
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但是对于经济阶层顶端家庭
这个差距小很多。
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I think one of the reasons
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我想,原因之一
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that elites can sometimes struggle
to grasp what's going on with boys and men
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是精英们能够设法把握
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is that the gender gaps
are just much less stark
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男孩在当前教育体系里的状况,
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in affluent communities.
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从而使得性别差距
在富裕的社区不那么明显。
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And the gender gaps are even
more stark for Black Americans.
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在美国黑人群体里,
这个差距则更为明显。
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For every Black man
getting a college degree,
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在获得大学学位的美国黑人中,
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there are two Black women.
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男女性别比是1:2。
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So anybody who really cares
about boys and men
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所以,关心男性和男孩的人们,
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has to care about racial injustice
and economic inequality.
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也应该关心种族和经济的不平等。
04:06
And anybody who really cares
about racial injustice
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而关心种族
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and economic inequality
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和经济不平等的人们,
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has to care about boys and men.
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也应该关心男性和男孩。
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Now, the fact that the education system
doesn't seem to be working very well
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关于教育系统不适合很多男性和男孩
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for lots of boys and men
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这个事实,
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is obviously not intentional.
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明显不是故意的。
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There wasn't a feminist
conspiracy 100 years ago
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100年前,并没有
女权主义者的阴谋
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to say, "Well, it might take a century,
but eventually we'll overtake them."
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“好吧,这可能需要一个世纪,
但是最后我们会超越他们。”
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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Especially as it was men
who mostly designed the school system.
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尤其是,这个教育系统本身
基本是由男性设计的,
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What’s happened is that
as the artificial and sexist barriers
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而现在,当女性所面临
的人为和性别的障碍
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that were placed in front
of women and girls
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人为和性别的障碍
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have been successively removed,
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被逐渐移除之后,
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so their natural advantages
in the classroom have been revealed.
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她们在教室里天然的优势显露出来。
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Compared to girls,
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相比女孩,
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boys face two big structural
disadvantages in education.
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男孩在教育体系里,
有两个结构化的弱点。
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First, their brains simply develop later.
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首先,他们的大脑发育晚一点。
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The skills of planning, organization
and impulse control
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有关计划、组织和控制冲动的能力
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are associated with the prefrontal cortex,
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跟前额叶皮层相关,
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which develops in adolescence especially.
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主要在青春期发展。
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But about a year later, on average,
for boys than for girls.
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但是平均来看,
男孩比女孩晚大概一年。
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So there's a significant difference there
in the timing of brain development.
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所以,在大脑发育的时间点上,
男孩和女孩有显著的差异。
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Social scientists refer to those skills,
planning, organization, etcetera,
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社会科学家把这些计划、
组织、规划的能力,
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as non-cognitive skills.
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称之为非认知性技能。
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I like to think of them
as "chemistry homework" skills.
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我更愿意称之为“化学作业”技能。
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You know, doing your chemistry homework
requires a lot of steps.
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你知道,做化学作业需要很多步骤。
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You have to be paying attention in class
when the assignment is given.
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你需要在布置作业的课堂上集中精力,
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You have to make a note of it.
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你需要记笔记。
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You have to remember hours later
that you're supposed to do it.
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你还要记得你几小时之后
应该做作业。
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You have to actually sit down and do it,
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你还需要真正坐下来做这件事,
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instead of something
more enticing instead.
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而不是更诱人的其他事情。
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And remember, it's chemistry homework,
so that's everything.
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记住,这是化学作业,
是所有的事情。
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
06:00
Sorry, I know there are some
chemists here, I'm sorry.
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抱歉,我知道这里
还有一些化学家,我很抱歉。
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And then turn it in.
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然后提交作业。
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That's a lot of steps, right?
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这有很多步骤,是吗?
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That's a lot.
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太多了。
06:10
Getting your homework done
requires your impulse control
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完成你的作业需要你
的冲动控制能力,
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to match what psychologists refer to
as sensation seeking.
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平衡心理学家们所说的感觉寻求,
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Basically, that urge to go and do
something more fun, more exciting.
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也就是,去做更有趣
更刺激的事冲动。
06:21
And even in the most difficult
years of adolescence,
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即使在青春期最艰难的时段,
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which are also the crucial years
for educational success,
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往往也正是教育成功最关键的阶段,
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girls have a reasonable balance between
impulse control and sensation seeking.
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女孩们在冲动控制
和感觉寻求之间会有合理的平衡。
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But it's a very different story
for adolescent boys.
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但是对青春期的男孩,
这就完全不一样了。
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They have higher levels
of sensation seeking.
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他们有更高的感觉寻求,
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And with that less developed
prefrontal cortex,
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前额叶皮层却发育不足。
06:45
they have significantly lower levels
of impulse control.
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他们的冲动控制能力明显更差,
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Again, on average.
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平均而言。
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Now if you still don't believe me,
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如果你还是不相信我,
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go into any ninth or 10th grade classroom
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去任何一个9年级
或者10年级的教室,
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and ask all the students
to open up their backpacks.
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让所有的学生打开书包,
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
07:04
Most, many, at least of the girls,
will have pretty carefully organized,
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大多数,很多,女孩,有整理整齐的
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nicely labeled binders.
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贴有漂亮标签的活页夹。
07:11
And for many, if not most of the boys,
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而很多男孩,即使不是大多数,
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it will resemble a small,
controlled explosion.
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它会像一个小的有控制的爆炸场面。
07:16
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
07:19
It's not that girls are smarter than boys.
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这并不是说女孩比男孩聪明。
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There's no gender gap
in intelligence levels
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智力水平上
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in either direction.
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在任何一个方向都没有差异。
07:28
It is just that girls develop more
of these non-cognitive skills,
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只是女孩比男孩更早地,
发展了这些非认知能力,
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these "chemistry homework" skills,
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发展了这些非认知能力,
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somewhat earlier than boys do.
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这些“化学作业“能力,
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That's just a fact.
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这是一个事实,
07:40
But it is a fact that we ignore
in education policy.
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但是这是一个在教育政策中
被忽视的事实。
07:44
The second big structural problem
that boys face in the classroom
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第二个大的结构化问题是,
07:47
is the lack of male teachers.
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男孩处于一个缺乏男性教师的环境。
07:49
After falling for decades,
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在多年持续下降之后,
07:50
the share of K-12 teachers who are male
in the US is now just 23 percent.
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美国K-12阶段男性教师
的比例是23%。
07:56
And falling.
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并在继续下降。
07:57
And the lack of male teachers matters
for at least three reasons.
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缺乏男性教师是个值得关注的问题,
这至少有三个原因。
08:01
First, for many children, [they]
can be an important male role model,
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首先,对很多孩子来说,
男性教师是一个重要的男性榜样,
08:04
especially if they don't have one at home.
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特别是,如果他们的家庭里
没有这样的榜样的话。
08:07
And second, male teachers
appear to be more sensitive
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第二,男性教师会更关注
08:11
to the specific challenges
of boys in the classroom.
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男生在课堂上遇到的挑战。
08:14
I can vividly remember my own experience.
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我依然记得我自己的经历。
08:17
I can actually still feel what it was like
to sit for what felt like hours on end
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我仍然能切实感受到,
在硬塑料椅子上
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on an incredibly hard plastic chair,
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连续坐好几个小时的感觉,
08:26
and that it was actually a male
primary school teacher, Mr. Cole,
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而正是一位男性
小学教师,Cole先生,
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who gave us more opportunities
to move around,
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给我们机会四处走动,
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made the lessons a little
bit more interactive.
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让课程更有互动性。
08:35
And the third reason
male teachers may matter
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需要重视男性教师缺乏问题
的第三个原因,
08:38
is there's some evidence that,
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是因为有证据表明,
08:39
especially in subjects like English,
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特别在一些学科比如英语,
08:42
which is where the boys
have fallen so far behind,
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男生已经落在后面,
08:45
having a male teacher
seems to dispel the idea
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男性教师的存在
08:48
that reading and writing
just aren't for me or for people like me.
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会减少那种
“阅读和写作就是不适合我
或者我这样的人”的想法。
08:52
In a similar way to how
having a female teacher
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就像同样的,女性教师的存在
08:55
has historically helped girls
in STEM subjects.
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曾经帮助了女生
在STEM学科的发展。
09:00
Right now, in too many of our schools,
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而现在,在我们的多数学校里,
09:03
our boys feel like square pegs
being forced into round holes.
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我们的男生像方形
的钉子被迫塞到圆孔里。
09:09
And too often our response
is to try and fix the boys
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而我们多数的应对方式是,
试图去改变这些男孩,
09:12
rather than fix the schools.
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而不是改变我们的学校。
09:14
The problems of boys are turned
into problems with boys.
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男孩的问题们变成了问题男孩。
09:20
If they struggle to sit still
or pay attention
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如果他们难以安静坐着
或者集中精力,
09:22
or apply themselves to a task,
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或去完成某项任务,
09:24
they may be diagnosed
with some kind of disability.
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他们可能会变诊断成某种缺陷。
09:27
Their problems are thus medicalized
and often medicated.
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因此,他们的问题
被医疗化并且治疗。
09:32
In the US today, 23 percent
of school-age boys
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在美国,23%的在校男生
09:35
have been diagnosed with some form
of developmental disability.
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被诊断出某种程度上的发育缺陷。
09:39
Twice the rate for girls.
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是女生的两倍。
09:41
ADHD, as you might expect,
is the most common.
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多动症(ADHD),
正如你所期望的,是最常见的。
09:45
But really,
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但是实际上,
09:47
when one in four of our boys
has a developmental disability,
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当1/4的男生有发育缺陷,
09:53
it seems clear to me
that it is the system which is disabling
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这对我很清楚,这是系统缺陷
09:57
rather than the boys who are disabled.
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而不是男生的缺陷。
09:59
(Applause)
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(鼓掌)
10:04
Now, there's a lot we can do
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现在,我们需要做很多事情
10:06
to make the education system
work better for boys.
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让这个教育系统更适应男生。
10:09
Let's start with those two big problems,
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让我们从两个大的问题开始,
10:11
of later brain development
and lack of male teachers.
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稍稍滞后的大脑发育
和缺乏男性教师。
10:14
So first, we should start
boys in school a year later.
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首先,我们应该让男晚一年上学,
10:18
And the idea there
is to level the playing field,
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这里的理念,
考虑大脑发育时间的差异
10:21
given those differences
in the timing of brain development.
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是为了创造公平的教育环境。
10:24
And actually that's already
quite common practice
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而实际上,
10:26
at private schools and in lots
of affluent communities,
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在一些私立学校
和富裕社区已经有了一些实践。
10:29
but it's actually not the boys
from rich families
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但是不仅仅是富裕家庭的男生们
10:32
who will benefit the most
from that extra year.
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会从这额外的一年中受益。
10:35
It's the boys from lower-income,
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低收入家庭的男生,
10:36
poorer neighborhoods and families
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贫困社区和家庭的男生,
10:38
who would most benefit from the gift
of extra time for development.
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会从这个额外的发育时间里获益。
10:42
And that's why I think this should be
a question of public policy.
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这也是为什么我认为这里
有一个公共政策的问题。
10:47
Second, we need to recruit hundreds
of thousands more male teachers,
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第二,我们需要招募
成百上千的男性教师,
10:52
especially in subjects like English,
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特别是在一些学科,比如英语,
10:54
where the boys are struggling so much
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男生们困难重重的科目,
10:56
and which is the subject
men are least likely to be teaching.
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也正是男性教师最不可能教的科目。
11:00
And here I think we can draw
some really good lessons
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这里我想我们可以吸取
一些好的经验,
11:03
from the successful movement
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比如在一些运动中,我们成功地
11:05
to get more women and girls
interested in STEM subjects.
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让更多的女性
和女生对STEM学科感兴趣。
11:08
So that means setting clear targets,
launching public campaigns
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也就是说,确立清晰的目标,
发起公众活动,
11:12
and offering financial scholarships
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为愿意进入教育行业发展的男性
11:15
to men who want to enter
teaching as a profession.
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提供财务支持和奖学金。
11:19
Of course, those are changes
that will take time.
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当然,这些变化需要时间,
11:21
Those are long-term changes.
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这些都是长期的变化。
11:23
And there are millions of boys
and men who are struggling right now.
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上百万的男性,正在挣扎。
11:28
And so if you're a parent or a teacher
working with a boy or a young man
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如果你是正在面临这些问题的
11:32
who's in difficulty right now,
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男生的父母或者教师,
11:33
my message to you is, first,
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我给你的信息是,首先,
11:36
be careful not to even inadvertently
judge him against a female standard
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格外小心,不要以女生
的标准来评判男生
11:41
or blame him if he's
struggling in a system
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或者责备他,如果他正在
11:43
that just might not be working
very well for him.
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这个不合适他的系统中挣扎。
11:46
Recognize and respect the ways
in which he's different.
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认识和尊重他的不同之处。
11:50
Don't say,
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不要说,
11:52
"Why can't you be more like your sister?"
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“为什么你不能像你姐姐那样?”
11:56
Try not to even think that.
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想都不要这样想。
11:59
It's very important
that we don't treat our boys
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重要的是,
12:02
as if they were malfunctioning girls.
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我们不要把男生当成功能失调
的女生来对待。
12:06
And the second message to those people,
cousins, parents, neighbors, friends,
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第二条信息是,那些父母、邻居、
朋友、叔叔、教练等等,
12:10
uncles, coaches, anybody
working with a boy or a young man
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跟正在挣扎的男生
或者年轻男性共事的人,
12:14
who is struggling right now,
is simply, thank you.
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简单来说,谢谢你们。
12:18
Thank you.
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谢谢你们。
12:20
They do need you.
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他们需要你们。
12:23
Of course,
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当然,
12:24
doing more for boys and men
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为男生和男性做的越多,
12:26
doesn't mean doing any less
for women and girls.
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并不意味着为女生和女性做的少。
12:29
That’s like saying to the parent
of a son and daughter:
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这就像对一个有儿子
和女儿的父母说,
12:32
"You're only allowed to care
about one of them."
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“你只能关注其中一个。”
12:35
And it's the kind of zero-sum thinking
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这种零和思维
12:37
that is doing so much damage
to our politics and to our culture.
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会损害我们的政治和文化。
12:41
We can think two thoughts at once.
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我们能同时想到两个方面,
12:43
We can do two things at once.
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我们也能同时做两件事情。
12:45
(Applause)
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(鼓掌)
12:47
Two thoughts at once, two things at once.
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同时两个想法,同时两个行动。
12:49
That's why Norway,
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这也是为什么挪威
12:52
a country that's made huge investments,
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一个为女性
12:53
quite rightly for women and girls,
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进行了大量投资的国家,
12:55
but where boys and men have now fallen
behind on many measures,
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现在男性在很多指标上落后,
12:58
has launched a commission
for boys and men.
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为男性成立了一个委员会。
13:01
I've talked about education today,
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今天我也谈到教育,
13:03
but there are many other areas
where many boys and men are struggling,
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但是还有很多领域男性正在挣扎,
13:06
including in mental health,
including suicide risk.
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包括精神健康,包括自杀风险,
13:10
Loneliness and belonging,
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孤单和归属感,
13:12
family life, employment.
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家庭生活,就业。
13:15
And I don't think we can afford
to get this wrong.
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我认为我们不能犯这样的错误。
13:19
If there are real problems in a society,
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如果社会有问题,
13:23
and responsible people
don't acknowledge and address them,
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而责任而负责任的
人们不认识到它们并解决,
13:28
irresponsible people will exploit them.
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不负责任的人就会利用这些问题。
13:32
And that is already
happening on this issue,
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这个问题已经发生了,
13:34
both online and at the ballot box.
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在网上和投票中。
13:37
We cannot leave a vacuum
by neglecting this issue.
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我们不能因为忽视
这个问题而留下真空。
13:42
The future cannot be female.
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未来不仅仅是女性的。
13:46
Nor, of course, can the future be male.
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当然,也不仅仅是男性的。
13:50
The future has to be for every single
one of us, every boy and girl,
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未来是我们每个人的,
每个男性和女性。
13:53
we have to rise together.
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我们需要共同站起来。
13:56
Thank you.
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谢谢。
13:57
(Applause)
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(鼓掌)
14:06
(Applause ends)
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(鼓掌结束)
14:08
Chris Anderson: Thank you, Richard.
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Chris Anderson: 谢谢你, Richard.
14:09
I've got a question for you.
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我有一个问题。
14:11
Come this way.
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这边请。
14:13
So you gave great advice there
for the system as a whole,
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你给系统这个整体提了一些建议,
14:16
for teachers, for parents.
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对教师,对父母。
14:18
But suppose you're a 14-year-old boy
listening to this talk.
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但是如果有一个听演讲的14岁的男生,
14:21
What would you say to him?
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你会对他说什么?
14:23
Richard Reeves: Huh.
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Richard Reeves: 哈。
14:25
Well, the first thing I’d say
is that if you are struggling at school
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首先,我要说如果
你在学校真的很痛苦,
14:28
or in some aspects of your life,
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或者在生活的其他方面,
14:29
that's almost certainly
not just your fault.
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这大部分都不是你的错。
14:32
It may be that the system
is just not working for you.
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这是这个系统不适合你。
14:34
The second thing I would say is ...
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我要说的第二点是,
14:38
We see you.
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我们看到你,
14:40
We've got you.
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我们都理解你。
14:41
We understand, we've got your back.
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我们理解你,并且我们会支持你。
14:43
And the third thing I would say is,
don't follow the people
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我要说的第三点是,不要跟随那些
14:47
who say that the reason you're struggling
is because women are flourishing.
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把你的痛苦归
因于女性蓬勃发展的人,
14:52
Or because of feminism.
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归因于女性主义的人,
14:53
Or because of changes in society.
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或者归因于社会变化的人。
14:55
That we somehow have to,
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这就好像我们,
14:56
in order to lift boys up,
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为了托举男生,
14:57
we have to somehow push women
and girls back down again.
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就得打压女生一样。
15:00
Don't fall for that.
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不要上当。
15:01
Understand that we get
that you're struggling,
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你知道我们理解你的挣扎,
15:04
but don't turn this into zero-sum.
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但是不要把这个变成0和游戏。
15:06
Don't turn to some of the darker corners
of the internet where unfortunately,
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不要转向一些互联网上阴暗的角落,
15:10
that is the message
many of our boys are getting.
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而不幸的是,
这恰恰是很多男生得到的信息。
15:12
But the first part
that's really important,
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但首先,非常重要的是,
15:14
that whole conversation
that we had about belonging,
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我们关于归属感的整个对话,
15:17
the wonderful difference in belonging,
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在归属方面的差异,
15:19
if our boys don't feel that they belong,
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如果我们的男生
感受不到他们的归属感
15:22
that we've got them, that we see them,
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感受不到我们理解他们,
我们能看到他们,
15:25
they're going to be much more
vulnerable to those voices.
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他们会更容易被这些声音伤害。
15:27
So don't listen to those voices,
but we need them to listen to us instead.
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所以不要听那些声音,
我们需要他们听听我们的声音。
15:31
CA: Thank you so much.
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CA: 非常感谢!
15:32
(Applause)
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(鼓掌)
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