The US is back in the Paris Agreement. What’s next? | John Kerry and Al Gore

Transcriber:

翻译人员: 琦 曹 校对人员: suya f.

今天，2021年2月19号，

在此关键一年、 也是下个关键十年之初，

Christiana Figueres: Today, February 19, 2021,

at the beginning of a crucial year and a crucial decade

为了对抗气候危机，

美国在缺席四年后，

for confronting the climate crisis,

the United States rejoins the Paris Climate Agreement

重新加入了巴黎气候协定。

由全球195个国家一致达成，

after four years of absence.

Unanimously adopted by 195 nations,

巴黎气候协定于2016年开始实施，

the Paris Agreement came into force in 2016,

通过制定目标和解决方案

引导全球经济进入零排放时代。

establishing targets and mechanisms

to lead the global economy to a zero-emissions future.

这是多边主义的卓越典范，

It was one of the most extraordinary examples of multilateralism ever,

我非常荣幸能够参与 巴黎气候协定的协调工作。

and one which I had the privilege to coordinate.

但一年后，美国退出了巴黎气候协议。

One year later, the United States withdrew.

拜登政府正在试图让美国重回协议，

The Biden-Harris administration is now bringing the United States back

并郑重许诺将担起气候行动的重任。

and has expressed strong commitment to responsible climate action.

接下来我将介绍的两位人物

The two men you are about to see both played essential roles

都在2015年巴黎协定的孵化中 起到了关键作用。

in birthing the Paris Agreement in 2015.

美国前副总统艾伯特·戈尔， 这位毕生致力于气候问题的专家，

Former Vice President Al Gore, a lifelong climate expert,

在外交进程中作出了关键贡献。

made key contributions to the diplomatic process.

时任美国国务卿，约翰·克里，

也是当时美国代表团的团长。

John Kerry was the US Secretary of State

当时，怀中抱着孙女的他

and head of the US delegation.

代表美国签署了巴黎气候协定。

With his granddaughter sitting on his lap,

he signed the Paris Agreement on behalf of the United States.

如今，他作为美国气候特使开展工作。

He is now the US Special Envoy for Climate.

Ted Countdown邀请到了 艾伯特·戈尔来采访

TED Countdown has invited Al Gore to interview John Kerry

即将担任新职务的约翰·克里。

有请两位。

as he begins his new role.

谢谢，Christiana,

Over to both of them.

也感谢约翰·克里参加这次采访。

Al Gore: Well, thank you, Christiana,

我得说就我个人看来，

and John Kerry, thank you so much for doing this interview.

当时任总统拜登宣布任命你来

I have to say on a personal basis,

担任这个重要职位的时候，

I was just absolutely thrilled when President Biden,

我真的十分激动。

then president-elect,

announced you were going to be taking on this incredibly important role.

也非常感谢你能接下这个任务。

首先欢迎你 来到Ted Countdown，

And thank you for doing it.

Let me just start by welcoming you to TED Countdown and asking you,

我想问的是，

你对于重新回到你所热衷的

事务上的感觉如何？

how are you feeling as you step back into the middle of this issue

至少现在同你一起我感觉很安心。

that has been close to your heart for so long?

John Kerry: Well, I feel safer being here with you.

说实话，我感觉自己充满能量， 并且全身心投入。

I honestly, I feel very energized, very focused.

能够担此重任我倍感荣幸。

I think it's a privilege to be able to take on this task.

因为你比任何人都了解，

气候问题需要所有人团结一致。

And as you know better than anybody,

它需要全人类都竭尽全力

it's going to take everybody coming together.

做出力所能及的巨大变革。

There's going to have to be a massive movement of people

能够参与到这项任务中我倍感荣幸，

to do what we have to do.

我也很开心能在这个特别的日子 和你一起探讨这个话题。

So I feel privileged to be part of it,

能够和你这样一位至亲好友

and I’m honored to be here with you on this important day.

一同共事气候问题直至今日， 我也感觉很荣幸。

AG: Well, it's been a privilege

to be able to work with a dear friend for so long on this crisis.

当然，在今天这样一个见证历史的日子，

And, of course, on this historic day,

在美国正式、合法地重新加入

when the United States now formally and legally rejoins

巴黎气候协定的今天，

我们必须承认，

全世界在对抗气候危机上

the Paris Agreement,

we have to acknowledge

that the world is lagging behind the pace of change needed

远滞后于成功应对气候危机需要的进度。

因为即使所有国家都能履行

to successfully confront the climate crisis,

巴黎气候协定中要求的义务。

because even if all countries kept the commitments

我还目睹了你签署协定， 你跟孙女一起的时候，

made under the Paris Agreement --

and I watched you sign it, you had your grandchild with you --

我当时也在联合国， 那是振奋人心的一刻，

I was there at the U.N, that was an inspiring moment,

你当时代表美国签署了协定。

但即使所有的誓约都被履行的情况下，

you signed on behalf of the United States,

but even if all of those pledges were kept

仍不能保证全球气温上升幅度

they're not strong enough to keep the global temperature increase

低于2度或1.5度。

well below two degrees or below 1.5 degrees,

同时，温室气体排放仍然在增加。

所以美国乃至全球应该怎么做，

and emissions are still rising.

So what needs to happen here in the US and globally

才能加快改变的脚步？

你说的很对。

in order to accelerate the pace of change?

美国重回协议， 让今天成为意义非凡的一天，

JK: Well, Al, you're absolutely correct.

It's a very significant day, a day that never had to happen,

尽管这天可以不必发生。

America returning to this agreement.

很遗憾，我们的前总统 在没有任何科学根据

It is so sad that our previous president, without any scientific basis,

或经济理论支持的情况下，

without any legitimate economic rationale,

决定让美国退出协定。

这既有损于我们，也有损于世界。

如今我们有机会尝试弥补。

decided to pull America out.

And it hurt us and it hurt the world.

我接下职务时心中倍感谦逊，

Now we have an opportunity to try to make that up.

因过去四年没能进展 得更快产生的煎熬。

And I approach that job with a lot of humility

for the agony of the last four years of not moving faster.

但是我们必须更具野望、放眼国际，

But we have to simply up our ambition on a global basis.

美国占了全球排放总量的15%，

中国占据了30%，

United States is 15 percent of all the emissions.

基于不同的定义，欧盟占了11%-14%，

China is 30 percent.

印度占据了7%。

EU is somewhere around 14, 11, depends who you talk to.

把这些相加，仅这四个主体，

And India is about seven.

他们的总和也超过了 世界总碳排放量的60%。

So you add all those together, just four entities,

and you've got well over 60 percent of all the emissions in the world.

但是截至目前，上述国家中，

没有一个国家采取了足够的措施，

And yet none of those nations

are at this moment doing enough

完成当前所急需完成的任务，

更别说其他一些低碳排量国家了。

to be able to get done what has to be done,

let alone many others, at lower levels of emission.

这需要所有人共同努力。

即使突然间，明天， 中国的碳排量降为0，

It's going to take all of us.

或者美国降为0，

Even if tomorrow China went to zero,

你也非常清楚， 我们仍无法达到预期目标。

or the United States went to zero,

我们都需要减少温室气体的排放，

you know full well, Al, we're still not going to get there.

而且要做得更快。

We all have to be reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

格拉斯哥会议确实意义非凡。

We have to do it much more rapidly.

So the meeting in Glasgow rises in its importance.

早在90年代初期，

你，我还有Rio 就一起参加了这些会议,

You and I, we've been to these meetings

甚至还有更早的国会会议。

since way back in the beginning of the '90s with Rio

而目前，我们正处于 这个极其关键的时刻。

and even before, some of them parliamentary meetings.

在此刻，我们有能力来定义 未来的20年代，

And we’re at this most critical moment

where we have a capacity to define the decade of the '20s,

因为20年代将是决定我们能否

在2050年到达碳中和的 经济目标的关键时期。

which will really make or break us

in our ability to get to a 2050 net zero carbon economy.

所以我们必须提高志向，

这也意味着煤炭必须 尽快退出历史舞台，

And so we all have to raise our ambition.

意味着要我们利用可再生能源，

That means coal has got to phase down faster.

各种形式的替代能源、 可再生能源和

It means we've got to deploy renewables,

可持续发展能源。

我们要全力加快研发速度。

all forms of alternative, renewable, sustainable energy.

We've got to push the curve of discovery intensely.

无论是氢能源 的使用还是电池存储，

抑或是其他的科技，

Whether we get to hydrogen economy or battery storage

我们必须要达成上述的全部目标，

or any number of technologies,

we are going to have to have an all-of-the-above approach

来达成我们正迈向的

未来十年要实现的目标。

to getting where we need to go

我觉得，格拉斯哥会议 不仅需要国家参会并提出设想，

to meet the target in this next 10 years.

And I think Glasgow has to not only have countries come and raise ambition,

他们也必须来定义，

实实在在地定义，

but those countries are going to have to define

未来十年，乃至三十年的

in real terms,

战略规划图。

what their road map is for the next 10 years,

这样，我们才能真正讨论出来 一个切实可行的，

在迄今所有会议中

then the next 30 years,

so that we're really talking a reality

我们都没能拼凑完全的蓝图。

that we've never been able to completely assemble

听到你所说的这些，

at any of these meetings thus far.

也无形中强调着在过去四年里

AG: Well, hearing you talk, John,

just highlights how painful it's been for the US to be absent

美国没能参与到全球的通力合作中， 是件多么令人痛心的事情。

from the international effort for the last four years,

同时，我也更加庆幸拜登总统

and again, it makes me so happy President Biden has brought us back

将我们重新带回到巴黎气候协定中。

在这四年的停滞之后，

into the Paris Agreement.

你作为我们的气候大使，

After this four year hiatus,

how are you personally, as our Climate Envoy,

准备怎样重新加入这场会谈呢？

planning to approach re-entry into the conversation?

我了解到你现在已经在着手工作了，

在过程中，你有没有遇到困难呢？

I know you've already started it,

或者说，我觉得一切都有点微妙， 但你打算如何化解呢？

but is there anything tricky about that?

Or I guess everything is tricky about it, but how are you planning to do it?

嗯，我打算，首先 以更谦逊的态度参与，

因为我认为，美国不应高调回归，

JK: Well, I'm planning, first of all, to do it with humility,

because I think it's not appropriate for the United States to leap back in

然后开始告诉其他国家该做些什么。

我们要去倾听。

and start telling everybody what has to happen.

我们要和其他国家紧密合作，

We have to listen.

其中大量的国家在美国缺席时，

We have to work very, very closely with other countries,

many of whom have been carrying the load for the last four years

从四年前起至今都肩负着 气候问题的重担。

同时，我还想强调的是，

in the absence of the United States.

我们也不应过分垂头丧气，

I don't think we come in, Al, I want to emphasize this --

我们在过去也曾作出许多努力。

I don't believe we come to the table with our heads hanging down

因为众所周知，奥巴马总统在任时

on behalf of many of our own efforts,

because, as you know, President Obama worked very hard

致力于带领我们，和我们一起

促成巴黎协定的成果。

and we all did, together with you and others,

在美国，有38个州

to get the Paris Agreement.

And we also have 38 states in America

通过了可再生能源法案。

特朗普带领美国退出 巴黎协定的四年间，

that have passed renewable portfolio laws.

这38个州的州长， 无论是共和党人或者民主党人，

And during the four years of Trump being out,

the governors of those 38 states, Republican and Democrat alike,

仍在齐心协力维护成果、推进法案。

在美国，有一千多个市的市长，

continued to push forward and we're still in movement.

其中包括美国最大的几个城市的市长，

And more than a thousand mayors,

也仍在推进工作。

the mayors of our biggest cities in America,

所以美国并没有完全 任性地退出环保工作。

all have forged ahead.

So it's not a totally, abjectly miserable story by the United States.

我相信，凭着我们的决心和努力，

在接下来的一至几个月时间里，

I think we can come back and earn our credibility

可以重新回到谈判桌上， 赢回我们的信誉。

by stepping up in the next month or two

我们计划在4月22日举办峰会，

with a strong national determined contribution.

世界主要碳排放国都会再次参加。

We’re going to have a summit on April, 22.

That summit will bring together the major emitting nations of the world again.

我想大家都还记得， 巴黎协定签署时，

And because, as you recall in Paris,

很多国家都或多或少感觉被忽视，

比如一些岛国、贫穷国家， 例如孟加拉国等等的其他国家。

a number of nations felt left out of the conversation.

The island states, some of the poorer nations, Bangladesh, others.

所以，我们要请这些气候问题的 参与者到谈判桌上来，

和主要排放国，发达国家 一同参与进来。

And so we're going to bring those stakeholders to the table,

这样才能让这些小国 的声音同样被听到。

as well as the big emitters and developed countries,

我们希望，在格拉斯哥气候大会上，

so that they can be heard from the get-go.

我们能够达成一个更大范围的

And as we head on into Glasgow,

hopefully we'll be building a bigger momentum

更广泛认同的协议。

这也是我们的目标——

and we'll have a larger consensus.

重回峰会，提高野心，

And that's our goal --

向世界宣布我们举国坚定之贡献，

have the summit, raise ambition,

开始采取革新的行动，

announce our national determined contribution,

支持中国主办生物多样性大会，

begin to break ground on entirely new initiatives,

build towards the biodiversity convention in China,

尽管我们政见相左，我们仍望予襄助；

以及参与七国、 二十国集团，联合国大会，

even though we're not a party, we want to be helpful,

and then go into the G7, the G20, the UNGA,

及在秋天举办的联合国会议，

为六周后的格拉斯哥大会 重聚信心、重拾力量。

the meeting of the United Nations in the fall,

reconvene and reenergize, going for the last six weeks into Glasgow.

我认为，

格拉斯哥是我们最大的也是最后的

In my judgment, Glasgow, and you'd know this full well,

重回环保事业的希望。

I think Glasgow is the last, best hope we have

所以，最关键的就是，重振信心。

for our nations to really set us on that path.

And so, you know, one key is, as I said, raising ambition.

其次就是找对途径，

第三就是掌握资金。

The other is defining how you're going to get there,

我们准备引入前所未有 的全球财政计划。

and then the third is finance.

We've got to bring an unprecedented global finance plan to the table.

我们已经与一些私营部门实体合作，

And I think we're already working with private sector entities.

我相信这能让我们以令人激动 的方式达成计划。

I believe there's a way to do that in a very exciting way.

这非常振奋人心，

我们稍后可以再谈及此事。

AG: Well, that's encouraging,

但我很高兴你能就过去四年里

and I'm going to come back to that in just a moment.

州和地方政府确实有所推进提出观点。

But I'm glad you made those points about state and local governments

许许多多的美国私人企业也作出了贡献。

actually moving forward during the last four years.

因拜登总统在最初就任的几周内

A lot of US private companies have as well.

And already I'm extremely encouraged by the suite of executive actions

就采取的一系列行政措施，

我已经感到备受鼓舞。

that President Biden has already taken

还有更多举措等待实施，

during his first weeks in office.

例如，针对优越新机遇

And there's more to come.

如清洁能源、电能汽车等等

There's also a push for legislative action

投资的立法推动。

to invest in the fantastic new opportunities

然而，你我在过去共同见证了

in clean energy, electric vehicles and more.

Yet you and I have both seen the difficulties

此法所遇到的困难。

我们怎么才能以此活动

of this approach in the past.

确保能说服全世界

How can we use all of this activity

美国是诚心回归、 成为解决问题的一份子呢？

to well and truly convince the world

that America is genuinely back to being part of the solution?

我知道我们是这样的，

你也知道，

但我们确实需要重拾信任。

I know we are.

You know we are,

我认为你的与会对此大有裨益，

but we've got to really restore that confidence.

但我们还能做什么来找回 世界对我们的信赖呢？

I think your appointment went a long way to doing that.

But what else can we do to gain back the world's confidence?

嗯，我们必须坦诚以待，率性直言，

JK: Well, we have to be honest and forthright and direct

对我们的打算开诚布公。

这些打算也必须是我们要完成的事。

about the things that we're prepared to do.

几天前我们曾与

And they have to be things we're really going to do.

We just held a meeting a few days ago with all of the domestic entities

拜登总统要求与会并参与工作的

that President Biden has ordered to come to the table

国内所有独立体举办了一次会议。

这是一项需要全体政府参与的工作。

and be part of this effort.

所以我们才有了能源部，国土安全部，

This is an all-of-government effort now.

国防部，财政部（来处理这些问题）。

So we will have the Energy Department, the Homeland Security Department,

Janet Yellen曾讨论她将如何开展工作，

the Defense Department, the Treasury.

I mean, Janet Yellen was there talking about how she's going to work

我们将共同尝试解决调动资金的问题。

所以我认为，

and we're going to work together to try to mobilize some of the finance.

我们不会仅仅用语言尝试说服别人，

我们也不该只做到这地步，

So I think, you know,

we're not going to convince anybody by just saying it.

我们必须用行动证明。

我认为在拜登总统实现COVID法案不久后

Nor should we.

这些我们共同采取的行动，

We have to do it.

And I think the actions that we put together

shortly after President Biden achieves the COVID legislation here,

他几乎会立即引进这些重建工作，

基础设施的组成部件，

he will almost immediately introduce the rebuild effort,

而这些将极大程度参与建设全美电网容量，

the infrastructure components,

and those will be very much engaged in building out America's grid capacity,

做到我们若干年前就该做到的事，

以促进不同地区之间的

doing things that we should have done years ago

to facilitate the transmission of electricity

电力输送，

不论这是否是可再生的。

from one part of the country to another,

我们只是现在没有这个能力。

whether it's renewable or otherwise.

我们的一所监管机构里

We just don't have that ability now.

还排了一长列等待执行的

We have a queue of backed up projects

备用项目。

sitting in one of our regulatory agencies

而通过全体政府的努力，Al，

which have got to be broken free.

但愿我们真的能达成目标。

And by creating this all-of-government effort, Al,

而另外一件我们正在做的事是，

our hope is we're really going to be able to do that.

我正尽快与全世界同僚接触。

The other thing that we're doing is I'm reaching out, very rapidly,

我们已经有过会议，也有过讨论，例如同印度，

to colleagues all around the world.

We've had meetings already, discussions with India,

同拉美国家，

同欧洲国家，

with Latin American countries,

同欧盟及其他国家之间。

我们也正尝试参照刚刚提及的不同基准

with European countries,

with the European Commission and others.

And we're going to try to build as much energy and momentum as possible

竭尽全力地参与和维护。

我是说，事情总会见分晓的。

towards these various benchmarks that I've talked about.

我们会向人们证明我们确实 拥有强大的国家自主贡献，

And I mean, the proof will be in the pudding.

We're going to have to show people that we've got a strong NDC,

我们在真切贯彻落实， 我们在通过法案，

我们以合作共赢的态度

we're actually implementing, we're passing legislation,

and we're moving forward in a collegiate manner

同世界上其他国家一同前进。

譬如我已同澳方交流过， 这是一场惬意的讨论。

with other countries around the world.

澳大利亚本就与我们有许多不同，

For instance, I've talked to Australia, we had a very good conversation.

我们也从未完全步调一致。

Australia has had some differences with us.

你还记得，这是马德里和巴西的问题之一。

We've not been able to get on the same page completely.

That was one of the problems in Madrid, as you recall, together with Brazil.

现在我已经接触巴方， 我们正着手解决此事。

我希望我们能建立新的联盟，

Well, I've reached out to Brazil already, we're starting to work on that.

My hope is that we can build some new coalitions and approach this,

通过新的方式来达成目标。

这很令人兴奋。

hopefully in a new way.

我也很认同你之前提到的

今秋在格拉斯哥举办的气候大会

AG: Well, that's exciting,

and I do agree with your statement earlier

that the COP26 conference in Glasgow this fall

可能是世界最后、也是最佳的机会了。

我喜欢你的这种说法。

may be the world's last, best chance,

从你的角度来看，

I like your phrase there.

为了确保格拉斯哥大会成功，

From your perspective,

你认为什么最需要重视呢？

what would you list as the priorities

for ensuring that this Glasgow conference is a success?

我认为，或许最简单但也最重要的事情之一的，

也是我们为何专注于这次峰会的原因，

JK: I think that perhaps one of the single most important things,

就是确保17个

which is why we're focused on this summit of ours,

is to get the 17 nations,

最大的碳排放国，

能在2050年达到净零排放的问题上达成一致，

that produced the vast majority of emissions,

on the same page of committing to 2050 net zero,

能在这十年内，

拥有一张切实可行的蓝图，

committing to this decade,

在把1.5度当作死目标的条件下、

having a road map that is going to lay down

也在能保证我们能达到碳中和的条件下

how they are going to accelerate the reduction of emissions

in a way that keeps 1.5 degrees as a floor alive

他们将如何加速减少碳排放的蓝图

and also in a way that guarantees

的问题上达成一致。

that we are seeing the road map to get to net zero.

我们总不能说，这些个大人聚集到一起，

I will personally be dissatisfied, disappointed

只是为了做出‘我们没有成功’的决定，

if for our children's sake and our grandkids sake

哪怕是为了我们的下一代、下下一代，

we can't say that when these adults came together to make this kind of a decision,

我个人会感到十分失落和失望。

我们必须达成目标。

我也认为如果我们能向众人 证明我们确实行之有道，

we didn't actually make it.

We've got to make it.

我知道你同我一样确信这点，

And I think if we can show people we're actually on the road,

但，

我是说，在某些科技上你远比我博学，

I think you believe this as much as I do,

that --

I mean, you're far more knowledgeable than I am about some of the technologies

而且你也在其中的一些领域上参与了革新。

凭借我们如今开始加快的步伐，

and you've helped break ground on some of them.

The pace at which we are now beginning to accelerate,

我指的是像太阳能成本降低，

及能源储蓄之类的进步，

I mean, the reduction in cost of solar,

the movement in storage and other kinds of things,

我很确信我们总会找到突破口的。

我不知道将来会是什么样，

I'm convinced we're going to find one breakthrough or another.

但我知道的是，当我们尝试推动改变，

I don't know what it's going to be,

当我们调用资源使它们发挥效用时，

but I do know that when we push the curve

人类的创新创造能力总会有用，

and we put the resources to work,

我们总能让我们自己大吃一惊。

the innovative creative capacity of humankind is such

我们也总是这么做的。

就像我们就在像你背后这张 不可思议的背景一样登月时一样，

that we have an ability to surprise ourselves.

We've always done it.

When we went to the Moon in this incredible backdrop behind you.

这正是我们做到的事。

人们如今日常也在使用这些

And that's exactly what we did.

And people today use products in everyday household use

诞生于你可能从未预料到的需求的产品，

that came out of that quest that you never would have anticipated.

而这就是正在发生的事情。

我们能够更快地转向电动汽车，

That's what's going to happen now.

对我来说毋庸置疑，

We can move faster to electric vehicles.

我们也当然能减少燃煤排放

No question in my mind,

we could absolutely phase down coal-fired emissions

并且比我们计划的要更快。

所以，可行的选项就在这里。

faster than we are in a plan to do it.

问题是，我们是否会付出足够的努力

So the available choices are there.

The test is going to be whether we create the energy and momentum

来确保这些选择成真。

还有一个艰难的挑战在于 你早些提到的经济问题。

necessary to actually get those choices made.

AG: One of the big challenges is one you referred to earlier on finance.

富裕国家承诺过经济支援

不那么富裕的国家 来帮助他们减少碳排放，

Wealthy countries have promised financial assistance

to the less wealthy countries to help them out with cutting emissions

也帮助他们应对气候危机带来的影响。

但当然，我们需要持续努力来保证达成承诺，

and to help them cope with the impacts of the climate crisis.

尤其是在这场全球传染病的情况下，

But of course, we need to continue to work to meet this commitment,

全世界的国家都忙于经济复苏的时候。

especially as countries around the world rebuild their economies

有些什么效率最高的方式

in the wake of this pandemic.

能让更富裕的国家帮助那些

What are some of the most effective ways

in which the wealthier countries can help those

没有太多资源的国家呢；

而且为什么，这种援助对 全球发展来说都如此重要呢？

that don't have as many resources,

and why is this so important for the world to move forward?

让我先回答后半部分问题吧。

因为这是我们达成目的的唯一方式，

所以这些援助才如此重要。

JK: Let me answer the last part first.

It's so important

我不相信任何一个政体 既没有财力、也没有动力

because it's the only way we're going to get there.

I don't believe that any government has either the money or the inclination

去做这些必须要做的事情。

我相信私营部分，

to be able to do what's necessary here.

尤其是驱动于风险资本投资的那些，

I believe the private sector,

particularly driven by venture capital investment,

在创建出一个

既能创造财富

by the quest to be able to create a product

that then can help create wealth

亦能对人类有帮助的产品的要求下

and actually provide a benefit to humankind

推动了我们在历史上所做的许多事情。

我也认为这与如今并无不同。

drives a lot of things that we've done all through history.

但问题在于，

And I don't think it'll be any different now.

我们是否能聚集足够的国家，

I think the question is,

利用统一的方法来评估

can we pull together enough nations

to leverage a uniform approach to the judgment

我们正在进行的投入类型。

我也相信，如果某种程度上

about the kinds of investments that are being made.

And I believe that if we can standardize to some degree,

我们能在公开需求下达成统一标准，

这也是Janet Yellen如今紧盯的问题，

with disclosure requirements,

which Janet Yellen is now seized of that issue,

也是欧洲一些人正在解决的问题，

欧盟其他地区也在关注，

and Europe, there are folks working on that

如果我们找出大家团结起来的方法，

and European Commission elsewhere,

也使这些标准协调一致，

if we could actually find a way to come together

而市场也开始判断评估，他们同时也在冒险，

and harmonize some of those definitions

and the marketplace begins to make those judgments as they qualify risk,

寻找出路，

但仍冒险，因为气候危机

对投资来说是非常、非常现实的。

looking way out,

risk, because of climate crisis

对此我们也都理解。

for investing is very, very real.

在美国，我们两年前花了2650亿美元

And we all understand that.

We spent 265 billion dollars in America two years ago

只是为了三场飓风

Maria，Harvey and Irma之后的清理工作。

just cleaning up after three storms,

这是相当疯狂的事情。

Maria, Harvey and Irma.

你花了2650亿美元清理飓风后的现场，

And it's crazy.

You spend 265 billion to clean up after the storms,

但我们却不能为绿色气候基金集资1000亿。

but we can't put 100 billion together for the Green Climate Fund.

这就是今年我们必须要做的事。

我们必须打破这个圈子。

That's what this year has to be about.

我认为商业，我很确信，

We've got to break that cycle.

有相当多的人会质疑我，问我是不是疯了，

And I think business, I'm convinced of this,

但我非常确信，私营部分将会是关键一环，

a lot of people will doubt me and say, have I lost my mind,

but I'm convinced the private sector is going to be critical,

甚至是帮助实现目标的关键一环。

而且这也会影响其他资金，

if not the key to helping to make this happen.

我也与国际货币基金组织交谈过，

And that will leverage other money.

我们也会同世界银行讨论，

I've talked to the IMF,

我们会试着带上我们美国

we'll be talking with the World Bank,

自己的金融发展公司参与讨论。

we're going to try to bring our own

这些举措都能帮助均衡资产

Finance Development Corporation in America.

进入能对温室气体减少

All of these things can help leverage investment

大有帮助的各行业中。

into the sectors that can make the greatest difference

同时我也认为，人们会对

to the rapid reduction of greenhouse gases.

这些资金的动向

And I think people are going to get very excited

及具体额度感到激动的。

我希望的是在就职几周内

about where this money is going to go

and how much it is going to be.

能宣布几则有关于此

And my hope is in a matter of weeks to be in a position

并有助于推动进程的公告。

to make a couple of announcements with respect to that

that could be helpful in building some of this momentum.

这很不错。

听起来几周内就会有一些重大新闻；

AG: Well, that's great.

你刚刚谈到的例子，关于商人的观点，

It sounds like some major news coming in a couple of weeks

and just one example you used, the point about businessmen.

我有个澳洲朋友， Mike Cannon-Brookes，

正在澳洲北部地区建造一条海底电缆

I have a friend in Australia, Mike Cannon-Brookes,

building a long undersea cable from the northern territories of Australia

用来向新加坡输送可再生电能。

to take renewable electricity to Singapore.

你曾多次提到

关于美国需要虚心

You have made the point

about the need for the US to approach this with humility

主动接触、支援的观点。

秉承着这种精神，

a number of times.

像我们这样的国家

In that spirit,

what lessons can a country like ours learn

能从这些低收入却已经 开始对抗气候变化的国家

身上学到些什么呢？

from some of the lower income nations

我认为最重要的事情之一，Al，

that are already beginning to tackle climate change?

就是确保

JK: Well, I think one of the most important things, Al,

is to make sure that central

这种转变的中心，

这种到新能源经济的过渡，

to this transformation,

to this transition to the new energy economy,

它的首要目标就是环境正义，

是我们不能将人民抛之脑后，

central to it is environmental justice,

is that we don't leave people behind,

是我们不能将社会整体

that we're not making whole communities

成为某些特定选择的受害方，

the recipients of the downside of some particular choice,

是例如柴油卡车

并非都将被变成 一个特定的低收入群体，

that the diesel trucks, for instance,

一个没有能力做出不同 的政治决定的群体。

aren't all being routed through a particular low income community

我认为对发达国家最基本的

that doesn't have the ability to make a different political decision.

是能意识到世界上有许多国家或地区，

I think it is vital for the developed world

138个或更多，

to recognize that there are nations,

是排放量远远低于百分之一的国家。

138 nations or more,

way below one percent in terms of emissions.

他们也正在四下观望，

And they're looking around some of them, like Tommy Remengesau,

例如Tommy Remengesau， 帕劳总统（1.21下任），

已不能考虑适应气候，

the president of Palau,

他必须思考的是他 的人民去哪里才能生存，

who no longer can consider adaptation,

he's got to figure out where his people are going to go live,

海上其他的低洼地区也如是。

as do other very low-lying areas in the ocean.

所以气候问题对人民的影响

So that impact on people is really not known

并非为居住在世界上许多国家中的

小康生活的大部分人周知。

by the vast majority of people who live pretty good lives

而我们有责任去保证

in a lot of countries in the world.

我们从他们的生活，

And we have a responsibility to make sure

他们的希望和期望中学习经验。

that we're learning the lesson of their lives

我非常同意。

而现在在美国，

and of their hopes and aspirations here.

如果我们给予黑褐色人种和土著社区

AG: Couldn't agree more.

And here in the US,

的差别影响更多关注，

if we had paid more attention to the differential impact on Black,

我们就能对全国面临 的状况有更早、更好的预警。

Brown and Indigenous communities,

we would have had a better early warning of what the whole country was facing.

现在让我换一下主题， 我们来谈谈中国。

我知道，

But let me shift subjects and ask you about China.

你同谢振华是很亲密的朋友，

I know that you,

就和我们多年来一样，

as you are close friends with Xie Zhenhua,

我也很高兴他能在退休后

as I have been over the years,

担任中国气候方面的领导角色。

and I was very happy when he was brought out of retirement

但如今美国对中国来说

to play the lead role for them.

正处于一种有点儿争议的关系中。

But the US is now in the middle

of a somewhat contentious relationship with China.

但如果要成功解决气候危机，

我们需要中美之间团结合作，

But successfully solving the climate crisis

is going to require collaboration between the US and China,

我们是最大的两个碳排放国， 也是两个最大的两个经济体，

we're the two biggest emitters and the two biggest economies.

在你的观点里， 这场合作该如何形成呢？

How can this collaboration be shaped, in your view?

我知道你跟Joe Biden一样

在巴黎协定前

I know you played a role,

就在团结两国关系中起到重要作用。

as Joe Biden did before the Paris Agreement,

我们能再次做到连结协作吗？

in getting our two countries together.

我希望如此。

我真的如此希望，Al。

Can we do that again?

JK: I hope so.

诚如你刚才所言，如果我们能——

I really do hope so, Al.

如果我们不能团结中国 和世界上的其他地区

As you just said, if we can --

协同合作、团结互助，

if we don't get China to be cooperating and partnering

我们就不能解决气候问题。

with the rest of the world on this,

而且很遗憾的是，

we don't solve the problem.

我们仍能看到在中国 有许多煤炭行业的投资。

And we unfortunately,

we see too much investment in China right now in coal still.

我们已经有过许多相关的讨论。

就在选举前几个月， 我在加州大学的

We've had some conversations about it.

I was on a panel with Xie Zhenhua several months before the election

一次座谈会上就同谢振华一起，

我们有了一次非常有建设性的讨论。

by the University of California,

我的希望是，这场讨论 的内容将持续并足以持续，

and we had a very constructive conversation.

并且，与我们2013年巴黎协定中

My hope is that that will continue and can continue

刚开始建设时中国的进程相比，

and that China will be just as constructive, if not more so,

他们在这方面的努力 会仍具建设性，甚至更有助益。

in this endeavor than they were in 2013

as we began the process to build up to Paris.

中美关系当然至关重要，

AG: Well, that relationship is absolutely crucial.

但为了面面俱到，

让我再问问你，

But in order to cover all the ground I want to cover here,

你期待大企业及较小的企业

let me shift again and ask you,

what role do you expect that big corporations

在推动这场绿色转型方面

and also smaller businesses will play

扮演什么角色呢？

in moving this green transition forward?

我认为它们在转型中 是最大的独立贡献者。

我是指，政府当然重要，

JK: I think they're the biggest single players in it.

政府也能并且已经在免税方面做出改变。

I mean, governments are important

例如我们的太阳能领域免税就做出重大改变，

and governments can and have made a difference with tax credits.

这也会在气候问题中迈出重要一步。

For instance, our solar tax credit made an enormous difference

即使在新冠肺炎疫情中我们也坚持如此。

and it will make one going forward.

我们需要让这类成效继续扩大化。

And even in the middle of COVID, we've been able to hold on to that.

但在最后，

But we need to grow those kinds of efforts.

不会由政府资金来达成目标。

But in the end,

这会由参与其中的私营企业完成，

it's not going to be government cash that makes this happen.

It's going to be the private sector investment that is coming in

既因为这是正当的事， 也因为这是一场聪明的投资。

because it's the right thing to do, because it's also smart investing.

事实上，你可以同许多——

你已经，毕竟你是投资者之一，Al——

And the truth is, you can talk to many --

你和其他人已经证明了

and you have, you're one of the investors actually, Al --

you and others have proven that you can invest in this sector

在有关气候、环境或可持续发展领域的投资，

of dealing with climate or environment or sustainability,

不论是环境、公司、社会共同治理 还是纯气候方面，这种投资是可行的。

会有办法能获得良好的资金回报的。

whether it's ESG or it's pure climate.

在过去几年里，

There are ways to have a good return on money.

我们有大约130至170亿美元

And during the last couple of years,

we had something like, 13 to 17 trillion dollars

以净负利率

sitting in parked banking situations around the world

存在世界各地的银行里。

换句话说，他们在为静置的优越待遇付款，

in net negative interest.

而非进行投资。

In other words, they were paying for the privilege of sitting there,

所以我认为这其中有大量的机遇。

not invested in something.

至少现在大多数我曾对谈过的执行官

And so I think there's just a massive opportunity here.

And most of the CEOs I am talking to, at least now,

都越来越能意识到这些另类投资的潜力了。

are increasingly aware of the potential of these alternatives.

你很早就意识到这一点了，

我不知道你是否投资，

And you were in early,

但我知道你或早已参与特斯拉的项目。

I don't know if you invested in it or not,

特斯拉是如今世上被认为价值最高的汽车公司。

but I know you're involved with Tesla or have been.

Tesla is the most highly valued automobile company in the world.

而它只生产一种产品：电动汽车。

And it only makes one thing: electric car.

如果这还算不上是一种提醒的话， 我不知道什么才算。

我倒希望我早给特斯拉投资了，John，

If that isn't a message to people, I don't know what is.

但我确实是Elon Musk 和他正在做的事的支持者。

AG: I wish I had invested in Tesla, John,

but I'm a huge fan of Elon Musk and what he's doing.

我也是Greta Thunberg的忠实粉丝。

我好奇的是，

I'm also a huge fan of Greta Thunberg.

你认为在实际意义上， 这些青年运动，比如“周五为未来”，

And I'm just curious

what you think in practical terms is the real impact for change

对这次改变的真正影响是什么？

coming from these youth movements like Fridays for the Future?

我认为这蔚为壮观，

JK: I think it's been gigantic and spectacular

也符合年轻人们做的

和历史上已经做到的传统。

and in the best traditions of what young people do

我是说，可以回想，在美国，至少在六十年代，

and have done historically.

I mean, as you recall, in America, at least in the 1960s,

正是年轻人推动了环境运动、

it was young people who drove the environment movement,

和平运动、妇女运动和民权运动，

the peace movement, the women's movement, the civil rights movement,

而且他们是愿意冒着生命危险去做的。

Greta也同样不可思议。

and they were willing to put their lives on the line.

也正是她向成年人问责的方式

And Greta has been just unbelievable.

And in the way in which she has held adults accountable

创造了如今精彩的发展。

我见过许许多多的年轻朋友，

and it has created this wonderful movement.

其中有许多人都曾在过去几年中

I've met so many young people,

以各种各样的方式与我共同努力，

many of whom have worked in one fashion or another with me

也有许多人从“周五为未来”中站出来，

in the last few years,

从“日出运动”或者其他的运动中站出来，

who were brought to it from Fridays for the Future,

这些都是青年人专注的能量与理想主义，

from the Sunrise Movement, or, you know,

it's all that focused youthful idealism and energy

而这诉求被听见。

我认为，我们全体

and it demands to be heard.

And I think all of us, I mean,

都该为自己不得不让那些

15、16岁不上学的孩子们发声

we should be ashamed of ourselves

that we have to have people who were then 16 or 15

而感到羞愧。

我的意思是，成年人的领导力出了什么鬼问题？

not going to school to get our attention.

这压根不是领导力。

I mean, what the hell is the matter with adult leadership?

所以我向她、也向所有冒着 生命危险的年轻人致敬。

That's not leadership at all.

So I salute her and all the young people who put themselves on the line.

虽然我也邀请年轻人 成为其中一员，但这还不够，

你还是得——

But I invite them, you know, it's not enough.

我是说在选举期间，

You've got to then --

我希望我们能有大批新的选民。

and I said this during the course of the election

我认为环境议题，尤其是气候危机，

where I hope we created a lot of new voters.

And I think environment, specifically climate crisis,

在今年成为了真正的表决权问题，

就像回到我们在1970年 创建美国环保局、

became a real voting issue this year,

just as it was back in 1970 when we created the EPA

《洁净空气法》和 其他一系列法案一样。

这也证明这类行动主义是必须的。

and the Clean Air Act and a host of things.

And it proves that that kind of activism is necessary.

我希望我们能让年轻人也参与讨论

And I hope we're going to keep young people at the table here

并善始善终，这就是现在的关键。

是的，我也很同意这点。

and finish the job, that's the key now.

另外一个正有影响的运动

AG: Yeah, I couldn't agree more.

And another big movement that's having an impact

就是环境正义运动。

你早些提到过这个运动。

is the environmental justice movement.

我很庆幸拜登总统把环境正义

You referred to it earlier.

And I'm so glad that President Biden is putting environmental justice

作为他气候议程的核心项目。

如果能请你花一点时间告诉大家

at the heart of his climate agenda.

为什么这是整个议题中如此 重要的一环的话就再好不过了。

It might be good if I could ask you to just take a moment

and tell people why that is such an important part of this issue.

我认为有多方面的原因 造成了环境正义的重要性。

JK: Well, I think it's important part of this issue for many reasons,

最基础的是道德层面， 因为它是道德正确的。

the most basic is just moral, you know, what is morally right.

你会如何纠正一个

阻碍人类发展，因疾病 或其他原因导致人们死亡，

And how do you redress a wrong

并且在社会上导致了 基本的不公、不平等

that has for too many years held people back,

killed people by virtue of disease or other things,

已经太多年的错误呢？

and resulted in a basic inequality and unfairness in society.

我认为你能理解，我也是，Al，

一个国家的结构，

And I think you share a feeling, as I do, Al,

that the fabric of a nation

是建立在某些组织原则上的。

如果你把自己 当作一个国家的整体，

is built around certain organizational principles.

And if you're holding yourselves out as a nation to be one thing,

一个具有同等机会、公正，

i.e. equal opportunity and fairness

每个人都生来平等的国家，

具有同等权力等等的这样一个国家，

and all people created equal,

如果你这样以为， 但实际并非如此，

and equal rights and so forth,

最后，你会得到一个犬儒主义社会、

if that's what you hold out there and it isn't there,

一个遭受强烈反对的社会，

eventually you get such a cynicism

以至于它很难再维系下去。

and such a backlash built up into your society

某种程度上，这也正是 我们在世界各地看到的，

that it doesn't hold together.

To some degree, that is what we're seeing around the world today,

一种基于民族主义的民粹主义，

它由加剧的不平等所驱动，

is this nationalistic populism

而这种不平等贯穿全球化始终，

that is driven by this heightened inequality

这使那些本就富裕 的人们更加盆满钵满。

that has come through globalization

that has mostly enriched already fairly well-off folks.

所以如果那些获得了所有利益 的经济上层的1%

And so if it's the upper one percent that's getting all the benefits

和世界上其他同样经历了 新冠肺炎疫情却挣扎着生存的人，

and the rest of the world struggling to survive and they also have COVID,

你告诉他们我们现在 因气候问题需要做这做那，

and then you tell them we've got to do this or that in terms of climate,

就政府和被政府管理着的人

之间这种神圣的关系而言，

you're walking on very thin ice

in terms of that sacred relationship between government

你会觉得相当如履薄冰。

这并不是美国独有的现象。

and the people who are governed.

你在欧洲也可以见到这种情形。

It's not just an American phenomenon.

你在一些国家的 其他运动中也能看到。

You see it in Europe.

You see it in alternative movements in various countries.

我认为这对我们这代人 来说是艰巨的任务，

And I think it is the great task of our generation

不仅仅是应对气候问题，

也包括为我们的经济和社会

not only to deal with climate,

为我们的世界

but to restore a sense of fairness

to our economies, to our societies,

恢复公平合理性。

我猜这也是这场较量的一部分。

to our world.

And that is part of this battle, I think.

是的，我赞同。

另一个强烈反对政府如今着手之事

AG: Yeah, I agree.

And another common source of opposition

的普遍来源也与恐惧有关，

to what governments are doing now has to do with the fear,

不仅是在美国及其他 地区的部分区域，

这些区域中一些工作岗位可能 因绿色经济体的转型而流失。

both in the US and elsewhere, on the part of some,

that jobs might be lost in this transition toward a green economy.

你和我都知道

同时也会有大量新的工作产生。

但我还是要向你提出这个问题。

You and I both know

that there are a lot of jobs that can be created.

我们怎样才能在所有人受益 的方式中完成绿色转型？

But let me put the question to you.

How can we approach this green transition in a way that lifts everyone up?

这也是我们目前要做 的最重要的事情之一，Al，

JK: That is one of the most important things that we need to do, Al.

我们也不能向大家撒谎。

我们不能说这些混乱

And we can't lie to people.

并不意味着今天存在的工作 在未来可能工作内容并不相同，

We can't say that some of the dislocation

doesn't mean that a job that exists today might not be the same job in the future

而且工作者必须 经历到达未来的过程。

and that that person has to go through a process of getting there.

我们需要确保，没有人会被抛下。

And we need to make certain that nobody's abandoned.

我们需要确保， 有相关领域切实的机制

We need to make certain that there are real mechanisms in place

能帮助群众也完成过渡。

日前我曾跟 Richie Trumka，

to help folks be able to transition.

美国劳工联合会主席，交谈过，

And I just spoke the other day with Richie Trumka,

the head of the American Federation of Labor,

他也一直关注此事。

我们赞同尝试研究该如何

and he's been very focused on this.

把这个问题整合 到整个过渡过程中，

And we agreed to try to work through

how do we integrate that into this transitional process

以此我们才能保证不会抛下人民。

so that we're guaranteeing that you don't abandon people.

现在，我们有一件要做的事就是

去往那些已经变化 或将要发生变化的地区。

Now, one of the things we need to do is go to the places

俄亥俄州东南部， 肯塔基州，西弗吉尼亚州……

where there have been changes and there will be change.

Southeastern Ohio, Kentucky, West Virginia.

你知道，如果市场要做出决定，

顺带提一句，这并非政府政策，

You know, if the marketplace is making the decision and it's --

是市场已经决定，至少在美国，

by the way, it's not government policy,

it is the marketplace that has decided, in America at least,

不再建造新的燃煤电厂。

那么煤矿工人，或者

not to be building a new coal-fired plant.

在这条供应链上工作 的人该去向何处？

So where does that miner,

or where does that person who worked in that supply chain go?

我们得确保这些新公司，

这些新产生的职业岗位 会确实落实到这些社区中来，

We have to make sure that the new companies,

that the new jobs are actually going into those communities

例如煤炭产业社区，

或者如在美国 我们所说的，煤炭之国，

that the coal community,

the coal country, as we call it, in America,

正被立即地、直接地、

实事求是地在此方面得到解决，

is actually being immediately and directly

就是为了确保人民 不被放弃，不被抛弃。

and realistically addressed in this

to make sure that people are not abandoned and left behind.

这是可能的，也是可行的。

但历史上来书，很不幸的是，

That is possible. That is doable.

此地已经有太多的空话，

Historically, unfortunately,

但实际落实和进程却并不足够。

there have been too many words and not enough actual --

not enough actually implementation and process.

我认为这是能改变的。

我会在力所能及范围之内尽最大努力

I think that can change.

来确保我们真的会改变现状。

And I'm going to do everything possible in my ability

是的，这很好。

但你应对这个巨大挑战的

to make sure that we do change it.

AG: Well, that's great.

另一部分背景

And another part of the context

within which you are taking on this enormous challenge

是已暴露出我们忽略了

此前就已经存在的系统性风险、 不平等性和可持续性

is the COVID pandemic,

which has exposed the cost of ignoring pre-existing systemic risks,

的代价的新冠肺炎疫情。

现在我们才正要摆脱这场疫情，

inequalities and sustainability.

And now as we start to come out of this pandemic,

我们怎样才能避免 不自觉地重蹈覆辙呢？

how can we avoid sleepwalking back into old habits?

好吧，这很可能是这些 问题中最难解的一个。

我是说，自然而然 就会选择最好走的路，

JK: Boy, that's probably the toughest of all.

这是人类的天性。

I mean, there's a natural proclivity for people sometimes

显而易见，一些人已经、 一些人正要走回老路。

to just choose the easiest way.

And clearly, some people already have and will resort to that.

我认为解决问题的关键在

拜登总统关于重建的提议中。

I think the key will be in President Biden's proposal

这将为把资金直接用于投资和 我们希望看到可靠重建的部门中

for the build back,

which will actually fight hard to direct funds to the investments

做出努力的奋斗。

and to the sectors where we want to see a responsible build back.

这又是另一个方面了， 但我认为这是能够完成的，Al，

我确有所感。

There’s another aspect, and I think that can be done, Al,

例如，

I really feel that.

一个今天在造车的人，在南加州，

For instance,

在那宝马有加工厂，

someone who's making a car today in South Carolina,

然后选了一个底特律的职位，

where BMW has plants,

通用汽车显然马上 就要做出这个转变，

and just to pick one place or Detroit,

它们刚刚宣布了这点。

今天在造车的这些人

GM is obviously going to make this shift,

they just announced it.

仍然要去把车轮装上汽车，造车，

The people building the car today

把座椅放进去， 还有造车其他的流程。

are still going to have to put wheels on a car, build the car,

只是新的仪器替代了内燃机。

put the seats in, do everything else.

他们很快就能训练好 把电池用平台放进车里，

It's just that instead of an internal combustion engine,

they can be quickly trained to be able to put the platform in for the batteries

还有能发动汽车的引擎，电机，

and the engines themselves, etc, that will drive the car, the motors,

这也是解决问题的一种方式。

除此以外也还有新途径里的新工作。

that's one way of dealing.

Others are that there's new work in some ways.

我们要在美国铺设输电线路。

你知道，在美国 我们还没有成型统一的电网。

We have to lay transmission lines in America.

We do not have a grid in the United States, as you know.

在东西海岸是有的。

美国南部的德克萨斯州 也有它自己的电网，

We have at east coast, west coast.

Texas has its own grid, north part of America,

但在全国范围内还有巨大的空缺。

我们不能在地区与 地区之间有效地输送能量。

but there's a huge hole in the country.

我们能在建造电网结构的过程中

You can't send energy efficiently from one place to another.

为人们降低能源价格， 也创造更多岗位。

We could lower prices for people and create more jobs

更不用提，

in the build-out of all of that kind of new infrastructure.

会有我们现在还不知道 怎么称呼的科技，

Not to mention the things that you and I, you know,

一些能从大气中吸收二氧化碳

there are going to be things that we can't name today,

然后对这些气体进行处理的

some negative-emissions technology

负排放技术，

that's going to grab CO2 out of the atmosphere

像在冰岛，他们把 东西放进石头里，

and do something with it,

把它和液体混合在一起， 它就变成石头了。

like in Iceland, where they put it into the rock,

我是说，这有很多各种各样、 不同的、人们正在研究的领域。

mix it with liquid and it turns into stone.

这些就是新的工作岗位。

I mean, there are all kinds of different things people are exploring.

我只想说，

毕竟我们已经到了 这次对话的尾声阶段，

Those are new jobs.

AG: I just want to say,

since we've come to the end of our time for this conversation,

再次感谢你代表美国

接受这个艰巨的挑战

thank you again for taking on this crucial challenge

这也让美国重回它传统的

on behalf of the United States of America

and enabling the US to restore its traditional role

凝聚世界的角色中来。

我知道每一个在听在看的人

in trying to bring the world together.

And I know that everybody watching and listening to this conversation

都会给你最诚挚的祝福和希望

这也是为了在这项新工作中 可能取得的所有成功，John。

sends you their best wishes and hopes

for all the success possible in this new work, John.

非常感谢你能够参加 此次TED Countdown，

我们也衷心地祝福你。

Thank you so much for joining TED Countdown,

我能再占用一点时间吗？

首先，我想感谢你多年来

and we wish you the very best.

JK: Can I reciprocate for a minute?

杰出卓越的领导能力，

First of all, I want to thank you

我还记得你在参议院的时候 就领导我们谈论这个话题，

for your extraordinary leadership for years,

从那时以来你就贡献良多。

I can remember when you were leading us in the Senate on this,

我个人也对能跟你 再次共事感到十分愉悦，

and you've done so much since.

And I am personally delighted to be working with you on this again

我也很期待接下来几个月， 与其他许多人共事。

and look forward to the next months and together with a lot of other folks.

让我们一同黾勉从事。

Let's get this done.