Leadership Lessons From the Prime Minister of Canada | Justin Trudeau | TED

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ูŠุฑุฌู‰ ุงู„ู†ู‚ุฑ ู†ู‚ุฑู‹ุง ู…ุฒุฏูˆุฌู‹ุง ููˆู‚ ุงู„ุชุฑุฌู…ุฉ ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ ุฃุฏู†ุงู‡ ู„ุชุดุบูŠู„ ุงู„ููŠุฏูŠูˆ.

ุงู„ู…ุชุฑุฌู…: Taim Kellizy ุงู„ู…ุฏู‚ู‘ู‚: Hani Eldalees
00:03
Adam Grant: I'm actually curious about this idea of putting people at ease.
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ุขุฏู… ุฌุฑุงู†ุช: ุฃุดุนุฑ ุจุงู„ูุถูˆู„ ุญู‚ู‹ุง ุจุดุฃู† ููƒุฑุฉ ุฌุนู„ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ูŠุดุนุฑูˆู† ุจุงู„ุฑุงุญุฉ.
00:07
How do you think about doing that when you show up?
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ูƒูŠู ุชููƒุฑ ููŠ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจุฐู„ูƒ ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุชุธู‡ุฑุŸ
00:09
Justin Trudeau: I don't, I don't think about it.
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ุฌุงุณุชู† ุชุฑูˆุฏูˆ: ู„ุง ุฃุนุฑูุŒ ู„ุง ุฃููƒุฑ ููŠ ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ.
00:12
Being able to just try and get through people's preconceived notions
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ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุงู„ู‚ุฏุฑุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ู…ุญุงูˆู„ุฉ ุชุฌุงูˆุฒ ุงู„ู…ูุงู‡ูŠู…
00:19
or expectations or nervousness
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ุฃูˆ ุงู„ุชูˆู‚ุนุงุช ุงู„ู…ุณุจู‚ุฉ ู„ู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต ุฃูˆ ุงู„ุนุตุจูŠุฉ
00:23
to try and have a real conversation as quickly as possible
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ู„ู…ุญุงูˆู„ุฉ ุฅุฌุฑุงุก ู…ุญุงุฏุซุฉ ุญู‚ูŠู‚ูŠุฉ ููŠ ุฃุณุฑุน ูˆู‚ุช ู…ู…ูƒู†
00:25
is just something that I guess ...
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ู‡ูˆ ู…ุฌุฑุฏ ุดูŠุก ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ...
00:30
I guess I learned how to try to do throughout my life.
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ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ุชุนู„ู…ุช ูƒูŠููŠุฉ ู…ุญุงูˆู„ุฉ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจุฐู„ูƒ ุทูˆุงู„ ุญูŠุงุชูŠ.
00:33
Talking about the weather always sort of bored me,
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ุงู„ุญุฏูŠุซ ุนู† ุงู„ุทู‚ุณ ุฏุงุฆู…ู‹ุง ู…ุง ุฃุดุนุฑ ุจุงู„ู…ู„ู„ุŒ
00:36
but actually having real conversations about things that matter
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน ุฅุฌุฑุงุก ู…ุญุงุฏุซุงุช ุญู‚ูŠู‚ูŠุฉ ุญูˆู„ ุงู„ุฃุดูŠุงุก ุงู„ู…ู‡ู…ุฉ ู‡ูˆ ู…ุง
00:39
was what I always wanted to do whenever I'd meet anyone.
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ูƒู†ุช ุฃุฑุบุจ ุฏุงุฆู…ู‹ุง ููŠ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจู‡ ูƒู„ู…ุง ู‚ุงุจู„ุช ุฃูŠ ุดุฎุต.
00:42
And people would come at me with a certain amount of preconceptions
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ูˆูƒุงู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ูŠู‡ุงุฌู…ูˆู†ู†ูŠ ุจู‚ุฏุฑ ู…ุนูŠู† ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃููƒุงุฑ ุงู„ู…ุณุจู‚ุฉ
00:46
because my father was prime minister
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ู„ุฃู† ูˆุงู„ุฏูŠ ูƒุงู† ุฑุฆูŠุณู‹ุง ู„ู„ูˆุฒุฑุงุก
00:49
and there's a known factor around me
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ูˆู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุนุงู…ู„ ู…ุนุฑูˆู ุญูˆู„ูŠ ูˆู‡ูˆ
00:53
that getting them to a place
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ุฃู† ู†ู‚ู„ู‡ู… ุฅู„ู‰ ู…ูƒุงู† ูŠู…ูƒู†ู‡ู…
00:56
where they could actually be comfortable in being themselves
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ููŠู‡ ุงู„ุดุนูˆุฑ ุจุงู„ุฑุงุญุฉ ููŠ ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู†ูˆุง ู‡ู… ุฃู†ูุณู‡ู…
01:00
quickly became something that I wanted to see and do
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ุจุณุฑุนุฉ ุฃุตุจุญ ุดูŠุฆู‹ุง ุฃุฑุฏุช ุฑุคูŠุชู‡ ูˆุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจู‡
01:04
in all my interactions.
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ููŠ ุฌู…ูŠุน ุชูุงุนู„ุงุชูŠ.
01:05
AG: Mission accomplished.
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ุขุฏู…: ุชู… ุฅู†ุฌุงุฒ ุงู„ู…ู‡ู…ุฉ.
01:06
JT: There you go.
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ู‡ุง ุฃู†ุช ุฐุง.
01:07
AG: This is something of the family business.
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ุขุฏู…: ู‡ุฐุง ุดูŠุก ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃุนู…ุงู„ ุงู„ุนุงุฆู„ูŠุฉ.
01:10
You got to see the Prime Minister job up close long before you took it.
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ูƒุงู† ุนู„ูŠูƒ ุฑุคูŠุฉ ูˆุธูŠูุฉ ุฑุฆูŠุณ ุงู„ูˆุฒุฑุงุก ุนู† ู‚ุฑุจ ู‚ุจู„ ูˆู‚ุช ุทูˆูŠู„ ู…ู† ุชูˆู„ูŠู‡ุง.
01:13
What surprised you the most that you didn't expect?
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ู…ุง ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูุงุฌุฃูƒ ุฃูƒุซุฑ ู…ู…ุง ู„ู… ุชุชูˆู‚ุนู‡ุŸ
01:16
JT: Yeah, my first 13 years of life growing up with my dad in this role
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ู†ุนู…ุŒ ุฃูˆู„ 13 ุนุงู…ู‹ุง ู…ู† ุนู…ุฑูŠ ู†ุดุฃุช ู…ุน ูˆุงู„ุฏูŠ ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฏูˆุฑ
01:21
was the international summits, was the speeches,
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ูƒุงู†ุช ุงู„ู‚ู…ู… ุงู„ุฏูˆู„ูŠุฉุŒ ูˆูƒุงู†ุช ุงู„ุฎุทุจุŒ
01:26
was the people coming up to him in restaurants
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ูˆูƒุงู† ุงู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ูŠุฃุชูˆู† ุฅู„ูŠู‡ ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุทุงุนู…
01:29
for the rest of his life saying,
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ู„ุจู‚ูŠุฉ ุญูŠุงุชู‡ ูŠู‚ูˆู„ูˆู†ุŒ
01:31
"Thank you for doing this." "Thank you for doing that."
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ยซุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจุฐู„ูƒ.ยป ยซุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจุฐู„ูƒ.ยป
01:34
And it was always the big things.
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ูˆูƒุงู†ุช ุฏุงุฆู…ู‹ุง ุงู„ุฃุดูŠุงุก ุงู„ูƒุจูŠุฑุฉ.
01:35
The little things were the things I didn't see as a kid that really matter.
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ุงู„ุฃุดูŠุงุก ุงู„ุตุบูŠุฑุฉ ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุฃุดูŠุงุก ุงู„ุชูŠ ู„ู… ุฃุฑุงู‡ุง ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ูƒู†ุช ุทูู„ุงู‹ ูˆุงู„ุชูŠ ุชู‡ู… ุญู‚ู‹ุง.
01:39
When I first got elected, I wasn't leader,
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ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุชู… ุงู†ุชุฎุงุจูŠ ู„ุฃูˆู„ ู…ุฑุฉุŒ ู„ู… ุฃูƒู† ู‚ุงุฆุฏู‹ุงุŒ
01:41
I wasn't even on the government side.
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ูˆู„ู… ุฃูƒู† ุญุชู‰ ููŠ ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจ ุงู„ุญูƒูˆู…ูŠ.
01:43
I was just a simple backbench MP
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ูƒู†ุช ู…ุฌุฑุฏ ู†ุงุฆุจ ุจุณูŠุท
01:45
discovering the ways in which being a community's representative,
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ูŠูƒุชุดู ุงู„ุทุฑู‚ ุงู„ุชูŠ ูŠู…ูƒู† ู…ู† ุฎู„ุงู„ู‡ุง ุชู…ุซูŠู„ ุงู„ู…ุฌุชู…ุนุŒ
01:51
being their voice here in Ottawa,
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ูˆูƒูˆู†ู‡ ุตูˆุชู‡ ู‡ู†ุง ููŠ ุฃูˆุชุงูˆุงุŒ
01:53
being in service of people,
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ูˆุฎุฏู…ุฉ ุงู„ู†ุงุณุŒ
01:56
even if you're not in government, even if you're not in charge,
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ุญุชู‰ ู„ูˆ ู„ู… ุชูƒู† ููŠ ุงู„ุญูƒูˆู…ุฉุŒ ุญุชู‰ ู„ูˆ ู„ู… ุชูƒู† ู…ุณุคูˆู„ู‹ุงุŒ
01:59
actually makes a difference.
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ูŠุญุฏุซ ูุฑู‚ู‹ุง ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน.
02:00
And discovering that
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ูˆุงูƒุชุดุงู ุฐู„ูƒ
02:02
made this job a lot more like what I knew professionally,
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ุฌุนู„ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ูˆุธูŠูุฉ ุฃุดุจู‡ ุจูƒุซูŠุฑ ุจู…ุง ูƒู†ุช ุฃุนุฑูู‡ ู…ู‡ู†ูŠู‹ุงุŒ
02:07
which was being a teacher.
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ูˆู‡ูˆ ุฃู† ุฃูƒูˆู† ู…ุฏุฑุณู‹ุง.
02:08
It's those little moments,
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ูƒุงู†ุช ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ู„ุญุธุงุช ุงู„ุตุบูŠุฑุฉุŒ
02:10
those engagements, that explaining things,
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ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุงุฑุชุจุงุทุงุชุŒ ุดุฑุญ ุงู„ุฃุดูŠุงุกุŒ
02:12
empowering people that was key for me.
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ุชู…ูƒูŠู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ู…ูุชุงุญ ุจุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ู„ูŠ.
02:15
AG: So it almost sounds like there are aspects of the job
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ุขุฏู…: ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ูŠุจุฏูˆ ุฃู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุฌูˆุงู†ุจ ู…ู† ุงู„ูˆุธูŠูุฉ
02:18
that are better than you expected.
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ุฃูุถู„ ู…ู…ุง ูƒู†ุช ุชุชูˆู‚ุน.
02:20
JT: As a little kid, you know, I wanted to, I guess,
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ูƒู†ุช ุทูู„ุงู‹ ุตุบูŠุฑู‹ุงุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ุฃุฑุฏุชุŒ ุนู„ู‰ ู…ุง ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏุŒ
02:23
either be a fireman or an astronaut or a prime minister like my dad.
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ุฅู…ุง ุฃู† ุฃูƒูˆู† ุฑุฌู„ ุฅุทูุงุก ุฃูˆ ุฑุงุฆุฏ ูุถุงุก ุฃูˆ ุฑุฆูŠุณ ูˆุฒุฑุงุก ู…ุซู„ ูˆุงู„ุฏูŠ.
02:26
But, you know, they were all unreal.
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ู„ูƒู†ุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ูƒุงู†ุช ุฌู…ูŠุนู‡ุง ุบูŠุฑ ูˆุงู‚ุนูŠุฉ.
02:28
And then I went through a long stretch of not wanting to go into politics
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ุซู… ู…ุฑุฑุช ุจูุชุฑุฉ ุทูˆูŠู„ุฉ ู…ู† ุนุฏู… ุงู„ุฑุบุจุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ุฏุฎูˆู„ ููŠ ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณุฉ
02:32
because I knew how different I was from my father,
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ู„ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ูƒู†ุช ุฃุนุฑู ู…ุฏู‰ ุงุฎุชู„ุงููŠ ุนู† ูˆุงู„ุฏูŠุŒ
02:34
and he was a very successful prime minister.
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ูˆูƒุงู† ุฑุฆูŠุณ ูˆุฒุฑุงุก ู†ุงุฌุญู‹ุง ุฌุฏู‹ุง.
02:36
And it wasn't until later that I realized that there was a path
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ูˆู„ู… ุฃุฏุฑูƒ ุญุชู‰ ูˆู‚ุช ู„ุงุญู‚ ุฃู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุทุฑูŠู‚ู‹ุง ู…ู†
02:40
through being a teacher, around process, around people,
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ุฎู„ุงู„ ุฃู† ุฃูƒูˆู† ู…ุฏุฑุณู‹ุงุŒ ุญูˆู„ ุงู„ุนู…ู„ูŠุฉุŒ ุญูˆู„ ุงู„ู†ุงุณุŒ
02:45
around connection with people.
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ุญูˆู„ ุงู„ุชูˆุงุตู„ ู…ุน ุงู„ู†ุงุณ.
02:47
It was very different than my father's more intellectual approach to politics.
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ูƒุงู† ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ู…ุฎุชู„ูู‹ุง ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง ุนู† ู†ู‡ุฌ ูˆุงู„ุฏูŠ ุงู„ุฃูƒุซุฑ ููƒุฑูŠู‹ุง ููŠ ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณุฉ.
02:51
AG: How do you deal with the fact that no matter what you do at work,
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ุขุฏู…: ูƒูŠู ุชุชุนุงู…ู„ ู…ุน ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ ุฃู†ู‡ ุจุบุถ ุงู„ู†ุธุฑ ุนู…ุง ุชูุนู„ู‡ ููŠ ุงู„ุนู…ู„ุŒ ูุฅู†
02:54
millions of people are going to disapprove of your decisions
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ู…ู„ุงูŠูŠู† ุงู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต ู„ู† ูŠูˆุงูู‚ูˆุง ุนู„ู‰ ู‚ุฑุงุฑุงุชูƒ
02:57
and probably dislike you as a person?
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ูˆุฑุจู…ุง ูŠูƒุฑู‡ูˆู†ูƒ ูƒุดุฎุตุŸ
02:59
JT: First of all, I mean,
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ุจุงุฏุฆ ุฐูŠ ุจุฏุกุŒ ุฃุนู†ูŠุŒ
03:01
the line is, no matter what you're doing, you know,
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ุงู„ุณุทุฑ ู‡ูˆุŒ ุจุบุถ ุงู„ู†ุธุฑ ุนู…ุง ุชูุนู„ู‡ุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ
03:03
30 percent like you, 30 percent hate you,
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30 ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุฆุฉ ู…ุซู„ูƒุŒ 30 ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุฆุฉ ูŠูƒุฑู‡ูˆู†ูƒุŒ
03:07
40 percent are completely indifferent to the fact that you even exist, right?
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40 ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุฆุฉ ุบูŠุฑ ู…ุจุงู„ูŠู† ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง ุจุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ ุฃู†ูƒ ู…ูˆุฌูˆุฏุŒ ุฃู„ูŠุณ ูƒุฐู„ูƒุŸ
03:11
I mean, you don't get into this job because you want to be popular
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ุฃุนู†ูŠุŒ ุฃู†ุช ู„ุง ุชุฏุฎู„ ููŠ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ูˆุธูŠูุฉ ู„ุฃู†ูƒ ุชุฑูŠุฏ ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู† ู…ุดู‡ูˆุฑู‹ุง
03:15
or you want to be liked, or if you do,
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ุฃูˆ ุชุฑูŠุฏ ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู† ู…ุญุจูˆุจู‹ุงุŒ ุฃูˆ ุฅุฐุง ูุนู„ุช ุฐู„ูƒุŒ
03:17
you're in for a rude awakening
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ูุฃู†ุช ููŠ ุญุงู„ุฉ ุตุญูˆุฉ ูˆู‚ุญุฉ
03:18
because that's not what this job is all about.
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ู„ุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ู„ูŠุณ ู…ุง ุชุฏูˆุฑ ุญูˆู„ู‡ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ูˆุธูŠูุฉ.
03:20
That's not what this life is all about.
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ู‡ุฐุง ู„ูŠุณ ูƒู„ ู…ุง ุชุนู†ูŠู‡ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุญูŠุงุฉ.
03:22
This is about service.
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ู‡ุฐุง ุนู† ุงู„ุฎุฏู…ุฉ.
03:24
This is about feeling you can actually make a difference
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ูŠุชุนู„ู‚ ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุจุงู„ุดุนูˆุฑ ุจุฃู†ูƒ ุชุณุชุทูŠุน ุจุงู„ูุนู„ ุฅุญุฏุงุซ ูุฑู‚
03:26
that is meaningful in people's lives,
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ุฐูŠ ู…ุบุฒู‰ ููŠ ุญูŠุงุฉ ุงู„ู†ุงุณุŒ
03:31
in the direction of the country,
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ููŠ ุงุชุฌุงู‡ ุงู„ุจู„ุฏุŒ
03:33
in how your country has an impact on the world.
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ููŠ ูƒูŠููŠุฉ ุชุฃุซูŠุฑ ุจู„ุฏูƒ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู….
03:37
The fact that there are people who approve of what I'm doing,
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ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ ุฃู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุฃุดุฎุงุตู‹ุง ูŠูˆุงูู‚ูˆู† ุนู„ู‰ ู…ุง ุฃูุนู„ู‡ุŒ
03:40
there are people who disapprove of what I'm doing
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ูˆู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุฃุดุฎุงุต ู„ุง ูŠูˆุงูู‚ูˆู† ุนู„ู‰ ู…ุง ุฃูุนู„ู‡ุŒ
03:42
is all par for the course.
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ูƒู„ู‡ุง ุฃู…ูˆุฑ ู…ุชุณุงูˆูŠุฉ ู…ุน ุงู„ุฏูˆุฑุฉ ุงู„ุชุฏุฑูŠุจูŠุฉ.
03:44
And if nobody had any opinion on me, positive or negative,
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ูˆุฅุฐุง ู„ู… ูŠูƒู† ู„ุฏู‰ ุฃูŠ ุดุฎุต ุฃูŠ ุฑุฃูŠ ุนู†ูŠุŒ ุณูˆุงุก ูƒุงู† ุฅูŠุฌุงุจูŠู‹ุง ุฃูˆ ุณู„ุจูŠู‹ุงุŒ ูุณูŠูƒูˆู†
03:48
it would be that I wasn't doing anything consequential.
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ุฐู„ูƒ ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ู„ู… ุฃูุนู„ ุฃูŠ ุดูŠุก ู…ู‡ู….
03:50
So you do need to have a little bit of pushback if I'm, you know,
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ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุฃู†ุช ุจุญุงุฌุฉ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ู‚ู„ูŠู„ ู…ู† ุงู„ุชุฑุงุฌุน ุฅุฐุง ูƒู†ุชุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ
03:54
raising taxes on the wealthiest as I am right now.
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ุฃุฑูุน ุงู„ุถุฑุงุฆุจ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃุบู†ูŠุงุก ูƒู…ุง ุฃู†ุง ุงู„ุขู†.
03:57
If they weren't pushing back, I'd say, OK,
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ุฅุฐุง ู„ู… ูŠุชุฑุงุฌุนูˆุงุŒ ูุณุฃู‚ูˆู„ุŒ ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ
03:59
maybe I'm not doing it enough.
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ุฑุจู…ุง ู„ุง ุฃูุนู„ ุฐู„ูƒ ุจู…ุง ููŠู‡ ุงู„ูƒูุงูŠุฉ.
04:02
But the other piece, on a personal level,
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ู„ูƒู† ุงู„ุฌุฒุก ุงู„ุขุฎุฑุŒ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ู…ุณุชูˆู‰ ุงู„ุดุฎุตูŠุŒ
04:04
I was about seven years old the first time I remember
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ูƒุงู† ุนู…ุฑูŠ ุญูˆุงู„ูŠ ุณุจุน ุณู†ูˆุงุช ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุฑุฉ ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ู‰ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุฃุชุฐูƒุฑ
04:08
some kid coming up to me in the schoolyard and saying,
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ููŠู‡ุง ุทูู„ู‹ุง ุฌุงุก ุฅู„ูŠ ููŠ ูู†ุงุก ุงู„ู…ุฏุฑุณุฉ
04:11
"My parents didn't vote for your dad.
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ูˆู‚ุงู„ุŒ ยซูˆุงู„ุฏุงูŠ ู„ู… ูŠุตูˆุชูˆุง ู„ูˆุงู„ุฏูƒ.
04:13
So I don't like you."
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ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุฃู†ุง ู„ุง ุฃุญุจูƒ.ยป
04:14
And I had to sort of adjust to the fact that that had nothing to do with me,
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ูˆูƒุงู† ุนู„ูŠู‘ ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ุง ุฃู† ุฃุชูƒูŠู ู…ุน ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ ุฃู† ุฐู„ูƒ ู„ุง ุนู„ุงู‚ุฉ ู„ู‡ ุจูŠุŒ
04:18
who I was.
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ุจู…ุง ูƒู†ุช ุนู„ูŠู‡.
04:19
It was everything to do with external perceptions
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ูƒุงู† ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ูƒู„ู‡ ูŠุชุนู„ู‚ ุจุงู„ุชุตูˆุฑุงุช ุงู„ุฎุงุฑุฌูŠุฉ
04:22
and everything to do with them and I had to learn to put that aside.
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ูˆูƒู„ ู…ุง ูŠุชุนู„ู‚ ุจู‡ุง ูˆูƒุงู† ุนู„ูŠ ุฃู† ุฃุชุนู„ู… ูˆุถุน ุฐู„ูƒ ุฌุงู†ุจู‹ุง.
04:26
But then a few years later,
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ุจุนุฏ ุจุถุน ุณู†ูˆุงุชุŒ
04:27
as I got a little more active at going with my dad to different places,
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ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุฃุตุจุญุช ุฃูƒุซุฑ ู†ุดุงุทู‹ุง ููŠ ุงู„ุฐู‡ุงุจ ู…ุน ูˆุงู„ุฏูŠ ุฅู„ู‰ ุฃู…ุงูƒู† ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉุŒ
04:30
I'd go to these rallies where everybody loved him
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ูƒู†ุช ุฃุฐู‡ุจ ุฅู„ู‰ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู…ุณูŠุฑุงุช ุญูŠุซ ุฃุญุจู‡ ุงู„ุฌู…ูŠุน
04:33
and therefore everybody loved me.
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ูˆุจุงู„ุชุงู„ูŠ ุฃุญุจู†ูŠ ุงู„ุฌู…ูŠุน.
04:35
And I also had to learn to put that aside, that it was no realer.
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ูˆูƒุงู† ุนู„ูŠ ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง ุฃู† ุฃุชุนู„ู… ุฃู† ุฃุถุน ุฐู„ูƒ ุฌุงู†ุจู‹ุงุŒ ูˆุฃู†ู‡ ู„ู… ูŠูƒู† ุญู‚ูŠู‚ูŠู‹ุง.
04:38
The people who loved me automatically
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ุงู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ุฃุญุจูˆู†ูŠ ุชู„ู‚ุงุฆูŠู‹ุง
04:40
than the people who disliked me automatically.
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ุฃูƒุซุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ู„ู… ูŠุนุฌุจูˆุง ุจูŠ ุชู„ู‚ุงุฆูŠู‹ุง.
04:42
And getting a really strong sense of self and being able,
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ูˆุงู„ุญุตูˆู„ ุนู„ู‰ ุดุนูˆุฑ ู‚ูˆูŠ ุญู‚ู‹ุง ุจุงู„ุฐุงุช ูˆุงู„ู‚ุฏุฑุฉุŒ
04:46
when you get criticisms or congratulations,
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ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุชุชู„ู‚ู‰ ุงู†ุชู‚ุงุฏุงุช ุฃูˆ ุชู‡ุงู†ูŠุŒ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ูˆุตูˆู„
04:49
to reach below the emotions of that and say, OK, well,
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ุฅู„ู‰ ู…ุง ู‡ูˆ ุฃู‚ู„ ู…ู† ู…ุดุงุนุฑ ุฐู„ูƒ ูˆุงู„ู‚ูˆู„ุŒ ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ
04:53
what is the nugget of useful criticism that I can actually take constructively,
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ู…ุง ู‡ูŠ ูƒุชู„ุฉ ุงู„ู†ู‚ุฏ ุงู„ู…ููŠุฏ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ูŠ ุจุงู„ูุนู„ ู‚ุจูˆู„ู‡ ุจุดูƒู„ ุจู†ุงุกุŒ
04:57
even if it's not meant that way in the slightest?
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ุญุชู‰ ู„ูˆ ู„ู… ูŠูƒู† ุงู„ู…ู‚ุตูˆุฏ ุจู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฅุทู„ุงู‚ุŸ
04:59
Did I really go a little too far here,
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ู‡ู„ ุชู…ุงุฏูŠุช ู‚ู„ูŠู„ุงู‹ ู‡ู†ุงุŒ
05:01
or did I really not take into account the concerns of this community there?
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ุฃู… ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ู„ู… ุขุฎุฐ ููŠ ุงู„ุงุนุชุจุงุฑ ู…ุฎุงูˆู ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ุฌุชู…ุน ู‡ู†ุงูƒุŸ
05:05
Well, certainly reasonable criticism out there,
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ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ุจุงู„ุชุฃูƒูŠุฏ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู†ู‚ุฏ ู…ุนู‚ูˆู„ุŒ
05:08
whether it's constructive or not, you can find that.
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ุณูˆุงุก ูƒุงู† ุจู†ุงุกู‹ ุฃู… ู„ุงุŒ ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ุฃู† ุชุฌุฏ ุฐู„ูƒ.
05:10
And similarly, if people say, "Oh, you're awesome,"
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ูˆุจุงู„ู…ุซู„ุŒ ุฅุฐุง ู‚ุงู„ ุงู„ู†ุงุณุŒ ยซุฃูˆู‡ุŒ ุฃู†ุช ุฑุงุฆุนุŒยป
05:13
Why exactly?
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ู„ู…ุงุฐุง ุจุงู„ุถุจุทุŸ
05:14
Is it just how it makes you feel?
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ู‡ู„ ู‡ุฐุง ู‡ูˆ ุจุงู„ุถุจุท ู…ุง ูŠุฌุนู„ูƒ ุชุดุนุฑ ุจู‡ุŸ
05:16
So being able to sort of detach yourself from people's perceptions of you
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ู„ุฐุง ูุฅู† ุงู„ู‚ุฏุฑุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ูุตู„ ู†ูุณูƒ ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ุง ุนู† ุชุตูˆุฑุงุช ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุนู†ูƒ
05:21
is really, really important in a job that is, you know,
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ุฃู…ุฑ ู…ู‡ู… ุญู‚ู‹ุง ููŠ ูˆุธูŠูุฉ
05:26
requires a certain amount of popularity for people to vote for you,
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ุชุชุทู„ุจุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ู‚ุฏุฑู‹ุง ู…ุนูŠู†ู‹ุง ู…ู† ุงู„ุดุนุจูŠุฉ ุญุชู‰ ูŠุตูˆุช ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ู„ูƒุŒ
05:30
but you cannot allow that to drive you or even define you.
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ู„ูƒู† ู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ุงู„ุณู…ุงุญ ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุจุฃู† ูŠุฏูุนูƒ ุฃูˆ ุญุชู‰ ูŠุญุฏุฏูƒ.
05:36
AG: What do you say to yourself
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ุขุฏู…: ู…ุงุฐุง ุชู‚ูˆู„ ู„ู†ูุณูƒ
05:38
when the criticism feels particularly painful?
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ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ูŠูƒูˆู† ุงู„ู†ู‚ุฏ ู…ุคู„ู…ู‹ุง ุจุดูƒู„ ุฎุงุตุŸ
05:40
Is it just, "Well, that's my avatar they're reacting to, it's not me?"
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ู‡ู„ ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ู…ุฌุฑุฏุŒ ยซุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ู‡ุฐู‡ ู‡ูŠ ุตูˆุฑุชูŠ ุงู„ุฑู…ุฒูŠุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ูŠุชูุงุนู„ูˆู† ู…ุนู‡ุงุŒ ู„ุณุช ุฃู†ุงุŸยป
05:44
JT: More recently, when I see people, you know,
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ููŠ ุงู„ุขูˆู†ุฉ ุงู„ุฃุฎูŠุฑุฉุŒ ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุฃุฑู‰ ุงู„ู†ุงุณุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ูŠุจุงู„ุบูˆู†
05:48
really over the top in the kind of the hatred and polarization
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ุญู‚ู‹ุง ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู†ูˆุน ู…ู† ุงู„ูƒุฑุงู‡ูŠุฉ
05:53
and toxicity that is just par for the course
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ูˆุงู„ุงุณุชู‚ุทุงุจ ูˆุงู„ุณู…ูŠุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ู‡ูŠ ูู‚ุท ู…ุณุงูˆูŠุฉ ู„ู„ุฏูˆุฑุฉ
05:57
in so many democracies now,
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ููŠ ุงู„ุนุฏูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฏูŠู…ู‚ุฑุงุทูŠุงุช ุงู„ุขู†ุŒ
05:58
my instant pivot is, OK
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ูุฅู† ู…ุญูˆุฑูŠ ุงู„ููˆุฑูŠ ู‡ูˆุŒ
06:02
so what happened in their lives to lead them to that place?
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ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ู…ุงุฐุง ุญุฏุซ ููŠ ุญูŠุงุชู‡ู… ู„ู‚ูŠุงุฏุชู‡ู… ุฅู„ู‰ ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ู…ูƒุงู†ุŸ
06:06
I try to go for a place of empathy, of, well, what can I do,
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ุฃุญุงูˆู„ ุงู„ุจุญุซ ุนู† ู…ูƒุงู† ู„ู„ุชุนุงุทูุŒ ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ู…ุงุฐุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ูŠ ุฃู† ุฃูุนู„ุŒ
06:11
even if they'll never give me credit for it
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ุญุชู‰ ู„ูˆ ู„ู… ูŠุนุทูˆู†ูŠ ุฃุจุฏู‹ุง ุงู„ูุถู„ ููŠ ุฐู„ูƒ
06:13
to make sure that their life is less bad?
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ู„ู„ุชุฃูƒุฏ ู…ู† ุฃู† ุญูŠุงุชู‡ู… ุฃู‚ู„ ุณูˆุกู‹ุงุŸ
06:15
And sometimes I can't imagine how to do it.
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ูˆุฃุญูŠุงู†ู‹ุง ู„ุง ุฃุณุชุทูŠุน ุชุฎูŠู„ ูƒูŠููŠุฉ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจุฐู„ูƒ.
06:17
But other times, like I have to go to a place of reminding myself
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ู„ูƒู† ููŠ ุฃูˆู‚ุงุช ุฃุฎุฑู‰ุŒ ู…ุซู„ ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ุฃุฐู‡ุจ ุฅู„ู‰ ู…ูƒุงู† ู„ุชุฐูƒูŠุฑ ู†ูุณูŠ
06:21
and it's not hard because itโ€™s in me.
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ู„ูŠุณ ุจุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุงู„ุตุนุจ ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ููŠ ุฏุงุฎู„ูŠ.
06:24
I'm the prime minister of 40 million Canadians,
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ุฃู†ุง ุฑุฆูŠุณ ูˆุฒุฑุงุก 40 ู…ู„ูŠูˆู† ูƒู†ุฏูŠุŒ
06:27
not just the millions who voted for me.
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ูˆู„ูŠุณ ูู‚ุท ุงู„ู…ู„ุงูŠูŠู† ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ุตูˆุชูˆุง ู„ูŠ.
06:30
I'm for everyone.
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ุฃู†ุง ู„ู„ุฌู…ูŠุน.
06:32
And therefore, no matter how much they dislike me,
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ูˆุจุงู„ุชุงู„ูŠุŒ ุจุบุถ ุงู„ู†ุธุฑ ุนู† ู…ุฏู‰ ูƒุฑู‡ู‡ู… ู„ูŠุŒ
06:35
I still have to try and think about what I can do
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ู„ุง ูŠุฒุงู„ ูŠุชุนูŠู† ุนู„ูŠ ู…ุญุงูˆู„ุฉ ุงู„ุชููƒูŠุฑ ููŠู…ุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ูŠ
06:39
to make sure that them or their kids or their community is doing better.
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ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจู‡ ู„ู„ุชุฃูƒุฏ ู…ู† ุฃู†ู‡ู… ุฃูˆ ุฃุทูุงู„ู‡ู… ุฃูˆ ู…ุฌุชู…ุนู‡ู… ูŠู‚ูˆู…ูˆู† ุจุนู…ู„ ุฃูุถู„.
06:42
And that exercise sort of detaches a little bit
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุชู…ุฑูŠู† ูŠู†ูุตู„ ู‚ู„ูŠู„ุงู‹
06:46
from what their actual opinion is of me.
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ุนู† ุฑุฃูŠู‡ู… ุงู„ูุนู„ูŠ ุนู†ูŠ.
06:50
It gets harder when it goes to my family or some of my team members,
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ูŠุฒุฏุงุฏ ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุตุนูˆุจุฉ ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ูŠุชุนู„ู‚ ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุจุนุงุฆู„ุชูŠ ุฃูˆ ุจุนุถ ุฃุนุถุงุก ูุฑูŠู‚ูŠุŒ
06:55
where I'm not as able to detach it, because that's, you know,
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ุญูŠุซ ู„ุง ุฃุณุชุทูŠุน ูุตู„ู‡ุŒ
ู„ุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ูŠู„ุงุญู‚ูˆู† ุดุนุจูŠ.
07:00
you're coming after my people.
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07:01
Come after me all you're like, I put my name on a sign,
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ุชุนุงู„ ูˆุฑุงุฆูŠ ูƒู…ุง ูŠุญู„ูˆ ู„ูƒุŒ ุฃุถุน ุงุณู…ูŠ ุนู„ู‰ ู„ุงูุชุฉุŒ
07:04
I'm standing here for election, I'm doing it.
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ุณุฃู‚ู ู‡ู†ุง ู„ู„ุงู†ุชุฎุงุจุงุชุŒ ุณุฃูุนู„ ุฐู„ูƒ.
07:06
I'm welcoming it.
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ุฃู†ุง ุฃุฑุญุจ ุจู‡.
07:08
But for others, it makes it harder.
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ุจุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ู„ู„ุขุฎุฑูŠู†ุŒ ูุฅู†ู‡ ูŠุฌุนู„ ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุฃุตุนุจ.
07:10
AG: Now I'm curious about just the confidence it takes
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ุขุฏู…: ุงู„ุขู† ุฃุดุนุฑ ุจุงู„ูุถูˆู„ ุญูŠุงู„ ุงู„ุซู‚ุฉ ุงู„ู„ุงุฒู…ุฉ
07:13
to want to do this job in the first place.
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ู„ู„ุฑุบุจุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู…ู‡ู…ุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ู…ู‚ุงู… ุงู„ุฃูˆู„.
07:15
It used to seem to me to be something that required
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ู‚ุฏ ูŠู‚ูˆู„ ุงู„ุจุนุถ ุฅู†ู‡ ูƒุงู† ูŠุจุฏูˆ ู„ูŠ ุดูŠุฆู‹ุง ูŠุชุทู„ุจ ู…ุณุชูˆู‰
07:19
an unusual level of ambition,
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ุบูŠุฑ ุนุงุฏูŠ ู…ู† ุงู„ุทู…ูˆุญุŒ
07:20
maybe even arrogance or narcissism, some would say.
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ูˆุฑุจู…ุง ุญุชู‰ ุงู„ุบุทุฑุณุฉ ุฃูˆ ุงู„ู†ุฑุฌุณูŠุฉ.
07:24
And then over time, I've started to see
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ุซู… ู…ุน ู…ุฑูˆุฑ ุงู„ูˆู‚ุชุŒ ุจุฏุฃุช ุฃุฑู‰ ุฃู†ู‡
07:27
you just have to think that you could do this job better
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ุนู„ูŠูƒ ูู‚ุท ุงู„ุชููƒูŠุฑ ููŠ ุฃู†ู‡ ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู…ู‡ู…ุฉ ุจุดูƒู„
07:29
than the other viable candidates.
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ุฃูุถู„ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุฑุดุญูŠู† ุงู„ุขุฎุฑูŠู†.
07:31
You don't have to think that you're capable of doing a perfect job
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ู„ูŠุณ ุนู„ูŠูƒ ุฃู† ุชุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ูƒ ู‚ุงุฏุฑ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจุนู…ู„ ู…ุซุงู„ูŠ ููŠ
07:34
running one of the most powerful countries on earth.
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ุฅุฏุงุฑุฉ ูˆุงุญุฏุฉ ู…ู† ุฃู‚ูˆู‰ ุงู„ุจู„ุฏุงู† ุนู„ู‰ ูˆุฌู‡ ุงู„ุฃุฑุถ.
07:37
How do you think about that tightrope?
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ู…ุง ุฑุฃูŠูƒ ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุญุจู„ ุงู„ู…ุดุฏูˆุฏุŸ
07:42
JT: I guess it's not something I think about too much now,
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู‡ ู„ูŠุณ ุดูŠุฆู‹ุง ุฃููƒุฑ ููŠู‡ ูƒุซูŠุฑู‹ุง ุงู„ุขู†ุŒ
07:45
because I spent so much time thinking about it over the years.
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ู„ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ู‚ุถูŠุช ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช ููŠ ุงู„ุชููƒูŠุฑ ููŠู‡ ุนู„ู‰ ู…ุฑ ุงู„ุณู†ูŠู†.
07:48
I only saw myself getting into politics,
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ุฑุฃูŠุช ู†ูุณูŠ ูู‚ุท ุฃู…ุงุฑุณ ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณุฉุŒ
07:52
you know, when I was younger, I thought,
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ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ุŒ ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ูƒู†ุช ุฃุตุบุฑ ุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ููƒุฑุชุŒ
ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ุฑุจู…ุง ุฃู…ุงุฑุณ ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณุฉ ูŠูˆู…ู‹ุง ู…ุงุŒ
07:54
OK, maybe I do politics one day,
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07:55
but it'd be much later,
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ุณูŠูƒูˆู† ุฐู„ูƒ ุจุนุฏ ุฐู„ูƒ ุจูƒุซูŠุฑุŒ
07:56
once I've gotten out from under the weight of my last name
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ุจู…ุฌุฑุฏ ุฃู† ุฃุฎุฑุฌ ู…ู† ุชุญุช ูˆุทุฃุฉ ุงุณู…ูŠ ุงู„ุฃุฎูŠุฑ
08:00
and historical expectations.
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ูˆุชูˆู‚ุนุงุชูŠ ุงู„ุชุงุฑูŠุฎูŠุฉ.
08:02
And, you know, once I've proven myself in business or written a few books
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ูˆูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ุจู…ุฌุฑุฏ ุฃู† ุฃุซุจุช ู†ูุณูŠ ููŠ ู…ุฌุงู„ ุงู„ุฃุนู…ุงู„ ุงู„ุชุฌุงุฑูŠุฉ ุฃูˆ ูƒุชุจุช ุจุนุถ ุงู„ูƒุชุจ
08:06
or started a school or done things that are really meaningful,
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ุฃูˆ ุจุฏุฃุช ู…ุฏุฑุณุฉ ุฃูˆ ุฃู†ุฌุฒุช ุฃุดูŠุงุก ุฐุงุช ู…ุบุฒู‰ ุญู‚ู‹ุงุŒ
08:11
and then I can go in on my first name.
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ูˆุจุนุฏ ุฐู„ูƒ ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ูŠ ุงู„ุฏุฎูˆู„ ุจุงุณู…ูŠ ุงู„ุฃูˆู„.
08:14
But in my 30s, I was very much a youth activist.
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ู„ูƒู† ููŠ ุงู„ุซู„ุงุซูŠู†ูŠุงุช ู…ู† ุนู…ุฑูŠุŒ ูƒู†ุช ู†ุงุดุทู‹ุง ุดุงุจู‹ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ุญุฏ ูƒุจูŠุฑ.
08:17
I was doing environmental stuff.
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ูƒู†ุช ุฃู‚ูˆู… ุจุฃุดูŠุงุก ุจูŠุฆูŠุฉ.
08:19
I was a teacher through my 20s.
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ูƒู†ุช ู…ุฏุฑุณู‹ุง ุญุชู‰ ุงู„ุนุดุฑูŠู†ุงุช ู…ู† ุนู…ุฑูŠ.
08:21
And I learned from working with young people,
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ูˆุชุนู„ู…ุช ู…ู† ุงู„ุนู…ู„ ู…ุน ุงู„ุดุจุงุจุŒ
08:24
who had no connection to my father,
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ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ู„ูŠุณ ู„ุฏูŠู‡ู… ุฃูŠ ุตู„ุฉ ุจูˆุงู„ุฏูŠุŒ
08:25
that I had things worth saying.
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ุฃู† ู„ุฏูŠ ุฃุดูŠุงุก ุชุณุชุญู‚ ุฃู† ุฃู‚ูˆู„ู‡ุง.
08:27
And as I sort of got, you know, pulled in, a little bit indirectly,
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ูˆุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุงู†ุฎุฑุทุช ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ุงุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ุจุดูƒู„ ุบูŠุฑ ู…ุจุงุดุฑ ุจุนุถ ุงู„ุดูŠุกุŒ
08:32
into partisan politics,
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ููŠ ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณุฉ ุงู„ุญุฒุจูŠุฉุŒ ุฃุฏุฑูƒุช
08:34
I realized, I'm actually good at the things my dad wasn't great at,
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ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน ุฌูŠุฏ ููŠ ุงู„ุฃุดูŠุงุก ุงู„ุชูŠ ู„ู… ูŠูƒู† ูˆุงู„ุฏูŠ ุจุงุฑุนู‹ุง
08:39
which is the campaigning, the handshaking, everything.
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ููŠู‡ุงุŒ ูˆู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุญู…ู„ุงุช ุงู„ุงู†ุชุฎุงุจูŠุฉุŒ ูˆุงู„ู…ุตุงูุญุฉุŒ ูˆูƒู„ ุดูŠุก.
08:41
I learned that it was very much my maternal grandfather's side,
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ุชุนู„ู…ุช ุฃู†ู‡ ูƒุงู† ุฅู„ู‰ ุญุฏ ูƒุจูŠุฑ ุฌุฏูŠ ู…ู† ุฌุงู†ุจ ุฃู…ูŠุŒ
08:44
who was, Jimmy Sinclair, was a great retail politician, he loved it.
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ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูƒุงู†ุŒ ุฌูŠู…ูŠ ุณูŠู†ูƒู„ูŠุฑุŒ ูƒุงู† ุณูŠุงุณูŠู‹ุง ุฑุงุฆุนู‹ุง ููŠ ู…ุฌุงู„ ุงู„ุจูŠุน ุจุงู„ุชุฌุฒุฆุฉุŒ ูˆ ุฃุญุจ ุฐู„ูƒ.
08:48
As I discovered that I was good at pulling people together
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ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุงูƒุชุดูุช ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ูƒู†ุช ุฌูŠุฏู‹ุง ููŠ ุฌู…ุน ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ู…ุนู‹ุง
08:53
and mobilizing them and organizing and inspiring
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ูˆุชุนุจุฆุชู‡ู… ูˆุงู„ุชู†ุธูŠู…
08:56
and building a great team,
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ูˆุงู„ุฅู„ู‡ุงู… ูˆุจู†ุงุก ูุฑูŠู‚ ุฑุงุฆุนุŒ
08:59
I got more and more into politics
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ุฏุฎู„ุช ุฃูƒุซุฑ ูุฃูƒุซุฑ ููŠ ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณุฉ
09:01
and every step of the way,
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ูˆููŠ ูƒู„ ุฎุทูˆุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ุŒ
09:03
I was somewhat hesitant to take the next step.
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ูƒู†ุช ู…ุชุฑุฏุฏู‹ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ุญุฏ ู…ุง ููŠ ุงุชุฎุงุฐ ุงู„ุฎุทูˆุฉ ุงู„ุชุงู„ูŠุฉ.
09:07
My father's party, the Liberal Party, reached a total nadir,
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ูˆุตู„ ุญุฒุจ ูˆุงู„ุฏูŠุŒ ุงู„ุญุฒุจ ุงู„ู„ูŠุจุฑุงู„ูŠุŒ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุญุถูŠุถ ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุงุŒ
09:12
like, we were down to 35 seats in the 300-plus seat House.
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ู…ุซู„ุŒ ุงู†ุฎูุถ ุนุฏุฏ ุงู„ู…ู‚ุงุนุฏ ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ุฅู„ู‰ 35 ู…ู‚ุนุฏู‹ุง ููŠ ู…ุฌู„ุณ ุงู„ู†ูˆุงุจ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠุฒูŠุฏ ุนู† 300 ู…ู‚ุนุฏ.
09:16
We were on our way to oblivion when I came in as leader,
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ูƒู†ุง ููŠ ุทุฑูŠู‚ู†ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ู†ุณูŠุงู† ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุฌุฆุช ูƒู‚ุงุฆุฏุŒ
09:19
and it was an opportunity to rebuild from scratch.
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ูˆูƒุงู†ุช ูุฑุตุฉ ู„ุฅุนุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ุจู†ุงุก ู…ู† ุงู„ุตูุฑ.
09:22
But then as I looked around at who else could be leader,
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ู†ุธุฑุช ุญูˆู„ูŠ ุฅู„ู‰ ุฃูŠ ุดุฎุต ุขุฎุฑ ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ู‚ุงุฆุฏู‹ุงุŒ
09:25
I realized, oh wait, nobody gets how hard the work is going to be
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ุฃุฏุฑูƒุชุŒ ุฃูˆู‡ ุงู†ุชุธุฑุŒ ู„ุง ุฃุญุฏ ูŠูู‡ู… ู…ุฏู‰ ุตุนูˆุจุฉ ุงู„ุนู…ู„
09:29
or the work that needs to be done,
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ุฃูˆ ุงู„ุนู…ู„ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠุฌุจ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจู‡ุŒ
09:31
and I can sort of see that clearly.
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ูˆูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ูŠ ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ุง ุฑุคูŠุฉ ุฐู„ูƒ ุจูˆุถูˆุญ.
09:33
So I'm sort of going to be the one who does it,
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ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุณุฃูƒูˆู† ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ุง ุงู„ุดุฎุต ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠู‚ูˆู… ุจุฐู„ูƒุŒ
09:36
because it's going to take an incredible amount of work
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ู„ุฃู† ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุณูŠุณุชุบุฑู‚ ู‚ุฏุฑู‹ุง ู„ุง ูŠูุตุฏู‚ ู…ู† ุงู„ุนู…ู„
09:38
that I think I can do better than others.
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ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ุฃุณุชุทูŠุน ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจู‡ ุจุดูƒู„ ุฃูุถู„ ู…ู† ุงู„ุขุฎุฑูŠู†.
09:41
And turns out, I was pretty good at it
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ูˆุงุชุถุญ ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ูƒู†ุช ุฌูŠุฏู‹ุง ุฌุฏู‹ุง
09:43
in terms of rebuilding the party.
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ููŠ ุฐู„ูƒ ู…ู† ุญูŠุซ ุฅุนุงุฏุฉ ุจู†ุงุก ุงู„ุญุฒุจ.
09:45
AG: You mentioned feeling hesitant to take a leadership role.
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ุขุฏู…: ู„ู‚ุฏ ุฐูƒุฑุช ุงู„ุดุนูˆุฑ ุจุงู„ุชุฑุฏุฏ ููŠ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจุฏูˆุฑ ู‚ูŠุงุฏูŠ.
09:48
Some of our PhD students at Wharton have shown that a feeling of reluctance,
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ุฃุธู‡ุฑ ุจุนุถ ุทู„ุงุจ ุงู„ุฏูƒุชูˆุฑุงู‡ ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ููŠ ุฌุงู…ุนุฉ ูˆุงุฑุชูˆู† ุฃู† ุงู„ุดุนูˆุฑ ุจุงู„ุชุฑุฏุฏุŒ
09:52
of saying, "I'm not sure if I want this"
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ูˆุงู„ู‚ูˆู„ุŒ ยซู„ุณุช ู…ุชุฃูƒุฏู‹ุง ู…ู…ุง ุฅุฐุง ูƒู†ุช ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ุฐู„ูƒยป ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ูŠุคุฏูŠ ููŠ
09:55
actually can lead to more effective behavior
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ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน ุฅู„ู‰ ุณู„ูˆูƒ ุฃูƒุซุฑ ูุงุนู„ูŠุฉ
09:58
when you're at the helm,
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ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุชูƒูˆู† ุนู„ู‰ ุฑุฃุณ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงุฏุฉุŒ
09:59
because you don't think you know all the answers.
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ู„ุฃู†ูƒ ู„ุง ุชุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ูƒ ุชุนุฑู ูƒู„ ุงู„ุฅุฌุงุจุงุช.
10:02
You don't think you have to make every decision yourself,
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ู„ุง ุชุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู‡ ูŠุชุนูŠู† ุนู„ูŠูƒ ุงุชุฎุงุฐ ูƒู„ ู‚ุฑุงุฑ ุจู†ูุณูƒุŒ
10:05
and it may actually lead you to empower other people more
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ูˆู‚ุฏ ูŠู‚ูˆุฏูƒ ุฐู„ูƒ ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน ุฅู„ู‰ ุชู…ูƒูŠู† ุงู„ุขุฎุฑูŠู† ุฃูƒุซุฑ
10:08
to learn from other people around you.
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ู„ู„ุชุนู„ู… ู…ู† ุงู„ุขุฎุฑูŠู† ู…ู† ุญูˆู„ูƒ.
10:09
JT: Oh, yeah, no, absolutely.
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ุฃูˆู‡ุŒ ู‚ุทุนุงู‹.
10:11
Being a good leader,
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ูƒูˆู†ูŠ ู‚ุงุฆุฏู‹ุง ุฌูŠุฏู‹ุงุŒ
10:12
if I was going to be any good in this job,
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ุฅุฐุง ุฃุฑุฏุช ุฃู† ุฃูƒูˆู† ุฌูŠุฏู‹ุง ููŠ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ูˆุธูŠูุฉุŒ
10:15
I had to bring around the most brilliant,
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ูƒุงู† ุนู„ูŠ ุฃู† ุฃุญุถุฑ ุฃูƒุซุฑ ุงู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต ุฐูƒุงุกู‹
10:18
successful, smartest, most driven people I possibly could to build the team.
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ูˆู†ุฌุงุญู‹ุง ูˆุฐูƒุงุกู‹ ูˆุชุญููŠุฒู‹ุง ููŠ ูˆุณุนูŠ ู„ุจู†ุงุก ุงู„ูุฑูŠู‚.
10:24
And I sort of understand that I come to it
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ูˆุฃู†ุง ุฃูู‡ู… ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ุง ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ุชูˆุตู„ุช ุฅู„ูŠู‡ุง
10:27
with an ability to bring people together
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ุจู‚ุฏุฑุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุฌู…ุน ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ู…ุนู‹ุง
10:29
and mobilize them and create a big vision.
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ูˆุชุนุจุฆุชู‡ู… ูˆุฎู„ู‚ ุฑุคูŠุฉ ูƒุจูŠุฑุฉ.
10:33
But leadership for me was never
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ู„ูƒู† ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงุฏุฉ ุจุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ู„ูŠ ู„ู… ุชูƒู† ุฃุจุฏู‹ุง
10:35
about being the one at the top of the pyramid,
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ุชุชุนู„ู‚ ุจุฃู† ุฃูƒูˆู† ุงู„ุดุฎุต ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุนู„ู‰ ู‚ู…ุฉ ุงู„ู‡ุฑู…ุŒ
10:37
you know, barking out orders.
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ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ุŒ ุฃุตุฏุฑ ุงู„ุฃูˆุงู…ุฑ.
10:39
A good leader is someone who's figuring out
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ุงู„ู‚ุงุฆุฏ ุงู„ุฌูŠุฏ ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุดุฎุต ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠูƒุชุดู
10:41
how every member of the team can be at peak performance
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ูƒูŠู ูŠู…ูƒู† ู„ูƒู„ ุนุถูˆ ููŠ ุงู„ูุฑูŠู‚ ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ููŠ ุฐุฑูˆุฉ ุงู„ุฃุฏุงุก
10:46
in the most important moments,
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ููŠ ุฃู‡ู… ุงู„ู„ุญุธุงุชุŒ
10:48
and that idea of lifting up everyone around you
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ูˆููƒุฑุฉ ุฑูุน ู…ุณุชูˆู‰ ูƒู„ ู…ู† ุญูˆู„ูƒ
10:52
is the way I sort of fell into this leadership role.
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ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ูˆู‚ุนุช ุจู‡ุง ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ุง ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฏูˆุฑ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงุฏูŠ.
10:56
AG: One of the risks of surrounding yourself
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ุขุฏู…: ุฃุญุฏ ู…ุฎุงุทุฑ ุฅุญุงุทุฉ ู†ูุณูƒ
10:58
with people you think are smarter than you
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ุจุฃุดุฎุงุต ุชุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู‡ู… ุฃุฐูƒู‰ ู…ู†ูƒ
ู‡ูˆ ุฃู†ูƒ ุชุดุนุฑ ุฃุญูŠุงู†ู‹ุง ูƒุฃู†ูƒ ู…ุญุชุงู„ุŒ
11:00
is that sometimes you feel like an impostor and you wonder,
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ูˆุชุชุณุงุกู„ ู‡ู„ ุฃู†ุชู…ูŠ ุญู‚ู‹ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ู‡ู†ุงุŸ
11:03
do I really belong here?
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ู‡ู„ ุฃุซุฑ ุฐู„ูƒ ุนู„ูŠูƒ ุนู„ู‰ ู…ุฏู‰ ุงู„ุณู†ูˆุงุช ุงู„ุซู…ุงู†ูŠ ุงู„ู…ุงุถูŠุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฅุทู„ุงู‚ุŸ
11:04
Has that affected you over the last eight years at all?
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11:07
JT: I was very aware of the impostor syndrome all my life.
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ูƒู†ุช ู…ุฏุฑูƒู‹ุง ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง ู„ู…ุชู„ุงุฒู…ุฉ ุงู„ู…ุญุชุงู„ ุทูˆุงู„ ุญูŠุงุชูŠ.
11:11
As a teacher, I kept waiting for someone to knock on the door
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ุจุตูุชูŠ ู…ุฏุฑุณู‹ุงุŒ ุธู„ู„ุช ุฃู†ุชุธุฑ ุฃู† ูŠุทุฑู‚ ุดุฎุต ู…ุง ุงู„ุจุงุจ
11:14
and say, "This was a terrible mistake, we're pulling you."
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ูˆูŠู‚ูˆู„: ยซูƒุงู† ู‡ุฐุง ุฎุทุฃ ูุงุฏุญู‹ุงุŒ ู†ุญู† ู†ุณุญุจูƒยป.
11:17
Or any time I was giving a speech on environmental responsibility,
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ุฃูˆ ููŠ ุฃูŠ ูˆู‚ุช ูƒู†ุช ุฃู„ู‚ูŠ ููŠู‡ ุฎุทุงุจู‹ุง ุญูˆู„ ุงู„ู…ุณุคูˆู„ูŠุฉ ุงู„ุจูŠุฆูŠุฉุŒ
11:20
I was expecting someone,
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ูƒู†ุช ุฃุชูˆู‚ุน ุดุฎุตู‹ุง ู…ุงุŒ
11:21
"You never actually finished your graduate studies in environmental geography.
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ยซุฃู†ุช ู„ู… ุชู†ุชู‡ ุฃุจุฏู‹ุง ู…ู† ุฏุฑุงุณุงุชูƒ ุงู„ุนู„ูŠุง ููŠ ุงู„ุฌุบุฑุงููŠุง ุงู„ุจูŠุฆูŠุฉ ู…ุงุฐุง ุชูุนู„ุŸยป
11:25
What are you doing?"
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ูƒู†ุช ู…ุฏุฑูƒู‹ุง ุฌุฏู‹ุง ู„ุฐู„ูƒ.
11:26
I was very aware of that.
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11:27
The first day I walked onto Parliament Hill as an elected MP,
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ููŠ ุงู„ูŠูˆู… ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุฏุฎู„ุช ููŠู‡ ุฅู„ู‰ ู…ุจู†ู‰ ุงู„ุจุฑู„ู…ุงู† ูƒุนุถูˆ ู…ู†ุชุฎุจ ููŠ ุงู„ุจุฑู„ู…ุงู†ุŒ
11:31
after what was a very tough election for our party,
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ุจุนุฏ ุงู†ุชุฎุงุจุงุช ูƒุงู†ุช ุตุนุจุฉ ู„ู„ุบุงูŠุฉ ู„ุญุฒุจู†ุงุŒ
11:33
but it was good for me in 2008,
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ู„ูƒู†ู‡ุง ูƒุงู†ุช ุฌูŠุฏุฉ ุจุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ู„ูŠ ููŠ ุนุงู… 2008ุŒ
11:37
I searched for that impostor syndrome.
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ุจุญุซุช ุนู† ู…ุชู„ุงุฒู…ุฉ ุงู„ู…ุญุชุงู„ ู‡ุฐู‡.
11:39
I said, OK, here it's going to come.
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ู‚ู„ุชุŒ ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ู‡ุง ู‡ูˆ ุณูŠุฃุชูŠ.
11:41
And it wasn't there.
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ูˆู„ู… ุชูƒู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ.
11:43
And for the first time in my life,
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ูˆู„ุฃูˆู„ ู…ุฑุฉ ููŠ ุญูŠุงุชูŠุŒ
11:45
and I think it was because I worked so hard on the ground for the two years
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ูˆุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุงู„ุณุจุจ ููŠ ุฐู„ูƒ ู‡ูˆ ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ุนู…ู„ุช ุจุฌุฏ ุนู„ู‰ ุฃุฑุถ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน ู„ู…ุฏุฉ ุนุงู…ูŠู†
11:50
to sort of overcome people's name recognition expectations of me,
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ู„ู„ุชุบู„ุจ ุนู„ู‰ ุชูˆู‚ุนุงุช ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ู…ู†ูŠ ููŠ ุงู„ุชุนุฑู ุนู„ู‰ ุฃุณู…ุงุก ุงู„ู†ุงุณุŒ
11:54
like, all my opponents then and pretty much since,
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ูƒู…ุง ุฃู† ุฌู…ูŠุน ุฎุตูˆู…ูŠ ููŠ ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช ูˆู…ู†ุฐ ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ุญูŠู† ุชู‚ุฑูŠุจู‹ุงุŒ
11:57
have said, "Oh, it's just an accident of history
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ู‚ุงู„ูˆุง: ยซุฃูˆู‡ุŒ ุฅู†ู‡ุง ู…ุฌุฑุฏ ู…ุตุงุฏูุฉ ุชุงุฑูŠุฎูŠุฉ
12:00
that he's in the role he is.
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ุฃู†ู‡ ููŠ ุงู„ุฏูˆุฑ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ู‡ูˆ ุนู„ูŠู‡.
12:02
He's expecting everyone to vote for him because of his last name.
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ุฅู†ู‡ ูŠุชูˆู‚ุน ุฃู† ูŠุตูˆุช ุงู„ุฌู…ูŠุน ู„ู‡ ุจุณุจุจ ุงุณู…ู‡ ุงู„ุฃุฎูŠุฑ.
12:05
And that'll catch up with him sooner or later."
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ุณูŠู„ุญู‚ ุจู‡ ุนุงุฌู„ุงู‹ ุฃู… ุขุฌู„ุงู‹ยป.
12:08
Or, โ€œHe wonโ€™t get elected the first time.โ€
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ุฃูˆ ยซู„ู† ูŠุชู… ุงู†ุชุฎุงุจู‡ ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุฑุฉ ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ู‰ยป.
12:10
And I worked the ground,
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ูˆุนู…ู„ุช ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃุฑุถุŒ
12:11
I went door to door right across the district.
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ูˆุฐู‡ุจุช ู…ู† ุจุงุจ ุฅู„ู‰ ุจุงุจ ุนุจุฑ ุงู„ู…ู†ุทู‚ุฉ.
12:14
I got to all the different community organizations,
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ูˆุตู„ุช ุฅู„ู‰ ุฌู…ูŠุน ุงู„ู…ู†ุธู…ุงุช ุงู„ู…ุฌุชู…ุนูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉุŒ
12:17
and I earned their support in that election.
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ูˆุญุตู„ุช ุนู„ู‰ ุฏุนู…ู‡ุง ููŠ ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุงู†ุชุฎุงุจุงุช.
12:20
And people actually came out,
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ูˆุฎุฑุฌ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุจุงู„ูุนู„ุŒ
12:21
put a little X beside my name and said,
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ูˆูˆุถุนูˆุง ุนู„ุงู…ุฉ X ุตุบูŠุฑุฉ ุจุฌุงู†ุจ ุงุณู…ูŠ ูˆู‚ุงู„ูˆุงุŒ
12:23
"No, we definitely want you to go."
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ยซู„ุงุŒ ู†ุญู† ุจุงู„ุชุฃูƒูŠุฏ ู†ุฑูŠุฏูƒ ุฃู† ุชุฐู‡ุจ.ยป
12:25
And I'm like, OK.
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ูˆุฃู†ุง ุฃู‚ูˆู„ุŒ ุญุณู†ุง.
12:26
People actually chose me through a process of saying,
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ู„ู‚ุฏ ุงุฎุชุงุฑู†ูŠ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุจุงู„ูุนู„ ู…ู† ุฎู„ุงู„ ุนู…ู„ูŠุฉ ุงู„ู‚ูˆู„ุŒ
12:30
we're trusting you to be our voice in Ottawa,
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ู†ุญู† ู†ุซู‚ ุจูƒ ู„ุชูƒูˆู† ุตูˆุชู†ุง ููŠ ุฃูˆุชุงูˆุงุŒ
12:33
and we're making that choice deliberately.
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ูˆู†ุญู† ู†ุชุฎุฐ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุงุฎุชูŠุงุฑ ุนู† ุนู…ุฏ.
12:36
And I'd also run in a very authentic way about who I was and what I was.
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ูˆุณุฃุฑูƒุถ ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง ุจุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุฃุตูŠู„ุฉ ุฌุฏู‹ุง ุญูˆู„ ู…ู† ูƒู†ุช ูˆู…ุงุฐุง ูƒู†ุช.
12:40
And I felt that people knew what they were getting
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ูˆุดุนุฑุช ุฃู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ูŠุนุฑููˆู† ู…ุง ุณูŠุญุตู„ูˆู† ุนู„ูŠู‡
12:43
when they voted for me in my district.
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ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุตูˆุชูˆุง ู„ูŠ ููŠ ู…ู†ุทู‚ุชูŠ.
12:44
And so I didn't feel that impostor syndrome,
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ูˆู„ุฐุง ู„ู… ุฃุดุนุฑ ุจู…ุชู„ุงุฒู…ุฉ ุงู„ู…ุญุชุงู„ุŒ
12:47
and I haven't since.
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ูˆู„ู… ุฃุดุนุฑ ุจุฐู„ูƒ ู…ู†ุฐ ุญูŠู†.
12:49
I keep saying, look, I will continue to serve.
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ุฃุธู„ ุฃู‚ูˆู„ุŒ ุงู†ุธุฑุŒ ุณุฃุณุชู…ุฑ ููŠ ุงู„ุฎุฏู…ุฉ.
12:53
I'll continue to do the best I can
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ุณุฃุณุชู…ุฑ ููŠ ุจุฐู„ ู‚ุตุงุฑู‰ ุฌู‡ุฏูŠ
12:54
and try to do it in as authentic a way as possible,
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ูˆุฃุญุงูˆู„ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจุฐู„ูƒ ุจุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุฃุตูŠู„ุฉ ู‚ุฏุฑ ุงู„ุฅู…ูƒุงู†ุŒ
12:57
way that is true to me with all the strengths and flaws
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ุจุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุตุญูŠุญุฉ ุจุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ู„ูŠ ู…ุน ูƒู„ ู†ู‚ุงุท ุงู„ู‚ูˆุฉ ูˆุงู„ุนูŠูˆุจ
13:01
that I have as any individual does.
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ู„ุฏูŠ ู…ุซู„ ุฃูŠ ูุฑุฏ.
13:03
AG: Well, what you're describing
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ุขุฏู…: ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ู…ุง ุชุตูู‡
13:05
tracks with the evidence of impostor thoughts --
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ุงู„ู…ุณุงุฑุงุช ู…ุน ุงู„ุฃุฏู„ุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุฃููƒุงุฑ ุงู„ู…ุญุชุงู„ -
13:07
JT: I'm so glad to hear that.
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ุฃู†ุง ุณุนูŠุฏ ุฌุฏู‹ุง ู„ุณู…ุงุน ุฐู„ูƒ.
13:08
AG You would otherwise have to change the way that you think.
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ุขุฏู…: ุจุฎู„ุงู ุฐู„ูƒุŒ ุณูŠุชุนูŠู† ุนู„ูŠูƒ ุชุบูŠูŠุฑ ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุชููƒูŠุฑูƒ.
13:12
JT: Because that's what psychologists do so well,
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ู„ุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ู…ุง ูŠูุนู„ู‡ ุนู„ู…ุงุก ุงู„ู†ูุณ ุฌูŠุฏู‹ุงุŒ
ูู‡ู… ูŠุฌุนู„ูˆู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ูŠุบูŠุฑูˆู† ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุชููƒูŠุฑู‡ู….
13:15
they make people change the way they think.
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ุขุฏู…: ู†ุญู† ู†ูุนู„ ุฐู„ูƒ ู…ู† ุฃุฌู„ ู„ู‚ู…ุฉ ุงู„ุนูŠุด ูˆู‡ูˆ ูŠุนู…ู„ ุฏุงุฆู…ู‹ุง.
13:17
AG: We do that for a living and it always works.
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13:19
JT: You're so successful, exactly, exactly.
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ุฃู†ุช ู†ุงุฌุญ ุฌุฏู‹ุงุŒ ุจุงู„ุถุจุทุŒ ุจุงู„ุถุจุท.
13:21
AG: Thank you for respecting my profession
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ุขุฏู…: ุฃุดูƒุฑูƒ ุนู„ู‰ ุงุญุชุฑุงู… ู…ู‡ู†ุชูŠ
13:23
every bit as much as I admire yours, Prime Minister.
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ุจู‚ุฏุฑ ุฅุนุฌุงุจูŠ ุจู…ู‡ู†ุชูƒุŒ ุฑุฆูŠุณ ุงู„ูˆุฒุฑุงุก.
13:25
I think that, in all seriousness,
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ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏุŒ ุจูƒู„ ุฌุฏูŠุฉุŒ
13:27
one of the surprising benefits of those impostor thoughts
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ุฃู† ุฅุญุฏู‰ ุงู„ููˆุงุฆุฏ ุงู„ู…ุฏู‡ุดุฉ ู„ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุฃููƒุงุฑ ุงู„ู…ุฎุงุฏุนุฉ
13:30
is they create a gap between what you think other people expect of you
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ู‡ูŠ ุฃู†ู‡ุง ุชุฎู„ู‚ ูุฌูˆุฉ ุจูŠู† ู…ุง ุชุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุงู„ุขุฎุฑูŠู† ูŠุชูˆู‚ุนูˆู†ู‡ ู…ู†ูƒ
13:33
and what you feel capable of.
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ูˆู…ุง ุชุดุนุฑ ุฃู†ูƒ ู‚ุงุฏุฑ ุนู„ูŠู‡.
13:34
And that leaves you motivated to close the gap, which you did.
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ูŠุชุฑูƒูƒ ู…ุชุญู…ุณู‹ุง ู„ุณุฏ ุงู„ูุฌูˆุฉุŒ ูˆู‡ูˆ ู…ุง ูุนู„ุชู‡.
13:37
Do you ever worry that not feeling like an impostor makes you complacent?
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ู‡ู„ ุณุจู‚ ู„ูƒ ุฃู† ุดุนุฑุช ุจุงู„ู‚ู„ู‚ ู…ู† ุฃู† ุนุฏู… ุงู„ุดุนูˆุฑ ุจุฃู†ูƒ ู…ุญุชุงู„ ูŠุฌุนู„ูƒ ุชุดุนุฑ ุจุงู„ุฑุถุงุŸ
13:42
JT: No. There's no ability to be complacent in this job.
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ู„ุง. ู„ุง ุชูˆุฌุฏ ู‚ุฏุฑุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฑุถุง ุนู† ุงู„ู†ูุณ ููŠ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ูˆุธูŠูุฉ.
13:47
Not when you're still charged up about it.
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ู„ูŠุณ ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ู„ุง ุชุฒุงู„ ู…ุดุญูˆู†ู‹ุง ุจุดุฃู† ุฐู„ูƒ.
13:50
The challenges, particularly in this time,
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ุงู„ุชุญุฏูŠุงุชุŒ ุฎุงุตุฉ ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ูˆู‚ุชุŒ
13:53
that continue to get thrown at us,
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ู„ุง ุชุฒุงู„ ุชูู„ู‚ู‰ ุนู„ูŠู†ุงุŒ
13:55
all the range of crises that are hitting right now all around the world,
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ูƒู„ ู…ุฌู…ูˆุนุฉ ุงู„ุฃุฒู…ุงุช ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุถุฑุจ ุงู„ุขู† ููŠ ุฌู…ูŠุน ุฃู†ุญุงุก ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…ุŒ
14:00
our democracies, but also our countries,
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ุฏูŠู…ู‚ุฑุงุทูŠุงุชู†ุงุŒ ูˆู„ูƒู† ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง ุจู„ุฏุงู†ู†ุงุŒ
14:04
combined with all the steady progressive work
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ุฌู†ุจู‹ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ุฌู†ุจ ู…ุน ูƒู„ ุงู„ุนู…ู„ ุงู„ุชุฏุฑูŠุฌูŠ ุงู„ู…ุทุฑุฏ
14:08
that we need to do of, you know, lifting kids out of poverty
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ุงู„ุฐูŠ ู†ุญุชุงุฌ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจู‡ุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ู„ุงู†ุชุดุงู„ ุงู„ุฃุทูุงู„ ู…ู† ุงู„ูู‚ุฑ
14:11
and helping with 10-dollar-a-day child care
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ูˆุงู„ู…ุณุงุนุฏุฉ ููŠ ุฑุนุงูŠุฉ ุงู„ุฃุทูุงู„ ุจู‚ูŠู…ุฉ 10 ุฏูˆู„ุงุฑุงุช ููŠ ุงู„ูŠูˆู… ูˆู…ูƒุงูุญุฉ ุชุบูŠุฑ ุงู„ู…ู†ุงุฎ
14:13
and delivering the fight against climate change
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14:16
and creating good jobs through a greener economy.
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ูˆุฎู„ู‚ ูุฑุต ุนู…ู„ ุฌูŠุฏุฉ ู…ู† ุฎู„ุงู„ ุงู‚ุชุตุงุฏ ุฃูƒุซุฑ ุฎุถุฑุฉ.
14:18
And, you know, working with reconciliation with Indigenous people.
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ูˆูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ุงู„ุนู…ู„ ู…ู† ุฃุฌู„ ุงู„ู…ุตุงู„ุญุฉ ู…ุน ุงู„ุณูƒุงู† ุงู„ุฃุตู„ูŠูŠู†.
14:21
There are so many big things we have to keep doing
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ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃุดูŠุงุก ุงู„ูƒุจูŠุฑุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ูŠุชุนูŠู† ุนู„ูŠู†ุง ุงู„ุงุณุชู…ุฑุงุฑ ููŠ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจู‡ุง
14:24
while there's war in Ukraine, conflict in the Middle East,
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ุฃุซู†ุงุก ุงู„ุญุฑุจ ููŠ ุฃูˆูƒุฑุงู†ูŠุงุŒ ูˆุงู„ุตุฑุงุน ููŠ ุงู„ุดุฑู‚ ุงู„ุฃูˆุณุทุŒ
14:28
you know, climate change hitting the world,
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ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ูˆุชุบูŠุฑ ุงู„ู…ู†ุงุฎ ูŠุถุฑุจ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…ุŒ
14:31
backsliding of democracies, foreign interference, you know,
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ูˆุชุฑุงุฌุน ุงู„ุฏูŠู…ู‚ุฑุงุทูŠุงุชุŒ ูˆุงู„ุชุฏุฎู„ ุงู„ุฃุฌู†ุจูŠุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ
14:34
rise of autocracies, there's all this going on.
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ุตุนูˆุฏ ุงู„ุฃู†ุธู…ุฉ ุงู„ุงุณุชุจุฏุงุฏูŠุฉุŒ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ูƒู„ ู‡ุฐุง ูŠุญุฏุซ.
14:36
There's no complacency in this job.
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ู„ุง ูŠูˆุฌุฏ ุฑุถุง ุนู† ุงู„ู†ูุณ ููŠ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ูˆุธูŠูุฉ.
14:39
AG: You're describing some of the many things
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ุขุฏู…: ุฃู†ุช ุชุตู ุจุนุถ ุงู„ุฃุดูŠุงุก ุงู„ุนุฏูŠุฏุฉ
14:41
that make this one of the hardest jobs on earth.
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุฌุนู„ ู‡ุฐู‡ ูˆุงุญุฏุฉ ู…ู† ุฃุตุนุจ ุงู„ูˆุธุงุฆู ุนู„ู‰ ูˆุฌู‡ ุงู„ุฃุฑุถ.
14:43
And it's unbelievable to me that it comes with so little training.
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ูˆู…ู† ุบูŠุฑ ุงู„ู…ุนู‚ูˆู„ ุจุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ู„ูŠ ุฃู†ู‡ ูŠุฃุชูŠ ู…ุน ุงู„ู‚ู„ูŠู„ ู…ู† ุงู„ุชุฏุฑูŠุจ.
14:47
But here you are, doing this job every day.
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ู‡ุง ุฃู†ุช ุชู‚ูˆู… ุจู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู…ู‡ู…ุฉ ูƒู„ ูŠูˆู….
14:50
How do you deal with the ongoing thoughts about,
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ูƒูŠู ุชุชุนุงู…ู„ ู…ุน ุงู„ุฃููƒุงุฑ ุงู„ู…ุณุชู…ุฑุฉ ุญูˆู„
14:52
"Do I want to keep doing this?"
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ยซู‡ู„ ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ุงู„ุงุณุชู…ุฑุงุฑ ููŠ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจุฐู„ูƒุŸยป
14:54
I know you've gone on record
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ุฃุนู„ู… ุฃู†ูƒ ุณุฌู„ุช ุนู„ู†ู‹ุง ุฃู†ูƒ ุชููƒุฑ
14:55
saying you think about quitting approximately every day.
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ููŠ ุงู„ุฅู‚ู„ุงุน ุนู† ุงู„ุชุฏุฎูŠู† ูƒู„ ูŠูˆู… ุชู‚ุฑูŠุจู‹ุง.
14:59
JT: Yeah, I think that's part of a process
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ู†ุนู…ุŒ ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ุฌุฒุก ู…ู† ุนู…ู„ูŠุฉ
15:02
where if you're going to be honest about doing a job like this,
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ุญูŠุซ ุฅุฐุง ูƒู†ุช ุชุฑูŠุฏ
15:08
that has the responsibilities and the impact that it has,
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ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู† ุตุงุฏู‚ู‹ุง ุจุดุฃู† ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจุนู…ู„ ู…ุซู„ ู‡ุฐุงุŒ ู„ู‡ ุงู„ู…ุณุคูˆู„ูŠุงุช ูˆุงู„ุชุฃุซูŠุฑ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠุญุฏุซู‡ุŒ
15:12
you have to check,
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ุนู„ูŠูƒ ุงู„ุชุญู‚ู‚ุŒ
15:14
maybe not every day,
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ุฑุจู…ุง ู„ูŠุณ ูƒู„ ูŠูˆู…ุŒ
15:15
but you have to check that you're up for it,
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ุนู„ูŠูƒ ุงู„ุชุญู‚ู‚ ู…ู† ุฃู†ูƒ ู…ุณุชุนุฏ ู„ุฐู„ูƒุŒ
15:17
that you're all in every given day
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ูˆุฃู†ูƒ ู…ูˆุฌูˆุฏ ููŠ ูƒู„ ูŠูˆู…
15:20
because people out there,
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ู„ุฃู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ู‡ู†ุงูƒุŒ
15:23
the 40 million people that I am directly responsible for serving
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ุงู„ุจุงู„ุบ ุนุฏุฏู‡ู… 40 ู…ู„ูŠูˆู† ุดุฎุต ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ุฃู†ุง ู…ุณุคูˆู„ ุจุดูƒู„ ู…ุจุงุดุฑ ุนู† ุฎุฏู…ุชู‡ู…
15:28
deserve a leader that is focused on them with everything they have
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ูŠุณุชุญู‚ูˆู† ู‚ุงุฆุฏู‹ุง ูŠุฑูƒุฒ ุนู„ูŠู‡ู… ููŠ ูƒู„ ุดูŠุก.
15:34
every single day
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ู„ุฏูŠ ูƒู„ ูŠูˆู…
15:35
and that sort of check on, you know, am I able to do that?
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู†ูˆุน ู…ู† ุงู„ูุญุตุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ู‡ู„ ุฃู†ุง ู‚ุงุฏุฑ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจุฐู„ูƒุŸ
15:39
Am I motivating my team to do that?
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ู‡ู„ ุฃู‚ูˆู… ุจุชุญููŠุฒ ูุฑูŠู‚ูŠ ู„ู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจุฐู„ูƒุŸ
15:41
Am I driving that forward?
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ู‡ู„ ุฃู‚ูˆุฏ ุฐู„ูƒ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃู…ุงู…ุŸ
15:43
Am I fully all in,
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ู‡ู„ ุฃู†ุง ู…ูˆุงูู‚ ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุงุŒ ุนู„ู‰
15:46
even though I've been in it for a few years,
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ุงู„ุฑุบู… ู…ู† ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ูƒู†ุช ููŠู‡ุง ู„ุจุถุน ุณู†ูˆุงุชุŒ ุนู„ู‰
15:49
even though it's harder now than it was before,
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ุงู„ุฑุบู… ู…ู† ุฃู† ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุฃุตุจุญ ุงู„ุขู† ุฃุตุนุจ ู…ู…ุง ูƒุงู† ุนู„ูŠู‡ ู…ู† ู‚ุจู„ุŒ ุนู„ู‰
15:52
even though my opponent's getting traction for all the wrong reasons.
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ุงู„ุฑุบู… ู…ู† ุฃู† ุฎุตู…ูŠ ูŠูƒุชุณุจ ู‚ูˆุฉ ุฏูุน ู„ุฌู…ูŠุน ุงู„ุฃุณุจุงุจ ุงู„ุฎุงุทุฆุฉ.
15:55
All those different things, if they're enough to make you say
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ูƒู„ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุฃุดูŠุงุก ุงู„ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉุŒ ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู†ุช ูƒุงููŠุฉ ู„ุฌุนู„ูƒ ุชู‚ูˆู„
15:58
"yeah, no, maybe" then you shouldn't be doing it.
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ยซู†ุนู…ุŒ ู„ุงุŒ ุฑุจู…ุงยป ูู„ุง ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ุชูุนู„ ุฐู„ูƒ.
16:01
I learned this being a teacher
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ู„ู‚ุฏ ุชุนู„ู…ุช ู‡ุฐุง ุจุตูุชูŠ ู…ุฏุฑุณู‹ุง
16:03
where I would, you know, work hard all day,
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ุญูŠุซ ุณุฃุนู…ู„ุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ุจุฌุฏ ุทูˆุงู„ ุงู„ูŠูˆู…ุŒ
16:06
come home absolutely exhausted,
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ูˆุฃุนูˆุฏ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ู…ู†ุฒู„ ู…ู†ู‡ูƒู‹ุง ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุงุŒ
16:09
but so excited about what the next day was going to bring.
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ู„ูƒู†ู†ูŠ ู…ุชุญู…ุณ ุฌุฏู‹ุง ู„ู…ุง ุณูŠุฌู„ุจู‡ ุงู„ูŠูˆู… ุงู„ุชุงู„ูŠ.
16:12
When you find a job that charges you up like that,
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ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุชุฌุฏ ูˆุธูŠูุฉ ุชูุฑุถ ุนู„ูŠูƒ ุฑุณูˆู…ู‹ุง ู…ู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู‚ุจูŠู„ุŒ
16:14
where you are deeply excited about doing it,
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ุญูŠุซ ุชูƒูˆู† ู…ุชุญู…ุณู‹ุง ู„ู„ุบุงูŠุฉ ู„ู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจู‡ุงุŒ
16:19
no matter how hard it gets,
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ุจุบุถ ุงู„ู†ุธุฑ ุนู† ู…ุฏู‰ ุตุนูˆุจุฉ ุฐู„ูƒุŒ
16:21
and aware of the awesome responsibility and impact that you get to have,
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ูˆุชุฏุฑูƒ ุงู„ู…ุณุคูˆู„ูŠุฉ ุงู„ู‡ุงุฆู„ุฉ ูˆุงู„ุชุฃุซูŠุฑ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุณุชุญุตู„ ุนู„ูŠู‡ุŒ
16:28
then it's sort of intellectually honest to check yourself,
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ูู…ู† ุงู„ุตุฏู‚ ุงู„ููƒุฑูŠ ุฃู† ุชุชุญู‚ู‚ ู…ู† ู†ูุณูƒ
16:32
check in with yourself regularly.
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ูˆุชุชูˆุงุตู„ ู…ุน ู†ูุณูƒ ุจุงู†ุชุธุงู….
16:34
AG: How often do you actually think about quitting?
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ุขุฏู…: ูƒู… ู…ุฑุฉ ุชููƒุฑ ุจุงู„ูุนู„ ููŠ ุงู„ุฅู‚ู„ุงุน ุนู† ุงู„ุชุฏุฎูŠู†ุŸ
16:38
JT: These days, not at all.
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ููŠ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุฃูŠุงู…ุŒ ู„ุง ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฅุทู„ุงู‚.
16:41
There was a moment last year,
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ูƒุงู†ุช ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู„ุญุธุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ุนุงู… ุงู„ู…ุงุถูŠุŒ
16:43
as I was facing some difficult moments in my marriage
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ุญูŠุซ ูƒู†ุช ุฃูˆุงุฌู‡ ุจุนุถ ุงู„ู„ุญุธุงุช ุงู„ุตุนุจุฉ ููŠ ุฒูˆุงุฌูŠ
16:47
where I really wondered, OK, is there a path?
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ุญูŠุซ ุชุณุงุกู„ุช ุญู‚ู‹ุงุŒ ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ู‡ู„ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู…ุณุงุฑุŸ
16:51
And I just realized that that's not me.
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ูˆุฃุฏุฑูƒุช ู„ู„ุชูˆ ุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ู„ูŠุณ ุฃู†ุง.
16:57
There is so much to do still.
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ู„ุง ูŠุฒุงู„ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู„ู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจู‡.
16:59
And the stakes are ...
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ูˆุงู„ู…ุฎุงุทุฑ ู‡ูŠ...
17:04
higher in some ways for our democracies than ever before.
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ุฃุนู„ู‰ ููŠ ุจุนุถ ุงู„ู†ูˆุงุญูŠ ู„ุฏูŠู…ู‚ุฑุงุทูŠุงุชู†ุง ุฃูƒุซุฑ ู…ู† ุฃูŠ ูˆู‚ุช ู…ุถู‰.
17:07
The need to try and hold things together in a rational discourse
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ุฅู† ุงู„ุญุงุฌุฉ ุฅู„ู‰ ู…ุญุงูˆู„ุฉ ุชุฌู…ูŠุน ุงู„ุฃุดูŠุงุก ู…ุนู‹ุง ููŠ ุฎุทุงุจ ุนู‚ู„ุงู†ูŠ
17:12
around doing things that are meaningful
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ุญูˆู„ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจุฃุดูŠุงุก ุฐุงุช ู…ุบุฒู‰
17:15
and are going to nudge the arc of the moral universe forward
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ูˆุณุชุฏูุน ู‚ูˆุณ ุงู„ูƒูˆู† ุงู„ุฃุฎู„ุงู‚ูŠ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃู…ุงู…
17:21
matters so much
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ู…ู‡ู…ุฉ ุฌุฏู‹ุง ู„ุฏุฑุฌุฉ ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ู„ุง ุฃุณุชุทูŠุน
17:23
that I couldn't be the person I am,
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ุฃู† ุฃูƒูˆู† ุงู„ุดุฎุต ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุฃู†ุง ุนู„ูŠู‡ุŒ ูˆุงู„ู…ู‚ุงุชู„
17:26
the fighter I am,
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ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุฃู†ุง ุนู„ูŠู‡ุŒ ูˆุฃู‚ูˆู„ุŒ
17:28
and say, yeah, no, this particular fight I'm walking away from.
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ู†ุนู…ุŒ ู„ุงุŒ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู…ุนุฑูƒุฉ ุจุงู„ุฐุงุช ุงู„ุชูŠ ุฃุจุชุนุฏ ุนู†ู‡ุง.
17:32
No, I can't do that yet.
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ู„ุงุŒ ู„ุง ุฃุณุชุทูŠุน ุฃู† ุฃูุนู„ ุฐู„ูƒ ุจุนุฏ.
17:34
AG: You look like you're having fun in your job
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ุขุฏู…: ูŠุจุฏูˆ ุฃู†ูƒ ุชุณุชู…ุชุน ููŠ ุนู…ู„ูƒ
17:36
more often than I would expect, given all the stressors of the work.
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ุฃูƒุซุฑ ู…ู…ุง ูƒู†ุช ุฃุชูˆู‚ุนุŒ ุจุงู„ู†ุธุฑ ุฅู„ู‰ ูƒู„ ุถุบูˆุท ุงู„ุนู…ู„.
17:39
But I also, I don't want leaders to have too much fun.
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ู„ูƒู†ู†ูŠ ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง ู„ุง ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ุฃู† ูŠุณุชู…ุชุน ุงู„ู‚ุงุฏุฉ ูƒุซูŠุฑู‹ุง.
17:43
And I think about some evidence
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ูˆุฃููƒุฑ ููŠ ุจุนุถ ุงู„ุฃุฏู„ุฉ ุนู„ู‰
17:46
that guilt-prone leaders are actually more effective
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ุฃู† ุงู„ู‚ุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ู…ุนุฑุถูŠู† ู„ู„ุดุนูˆุฑ ุจุงู„ุฐู†ุจ ู‡ู… ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน ุฃูƒุซุฑ ูุงุนู„ูŠุฉ
17:49
because they're more likely to think about mistakes they made
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ู„ุฃู†ู‡ู… ุฃูƒุซุฑ ุนุฑุถุฉ ู„ู„ุชููƒูŠุฑ ููŠ ุงู„ุฃุฎุทุงุก ุงู„ุชูŠ ุงุฑุชูƒุจูˆู‡ุง
17:53
and try to right wrongs as opposed to,
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ูˆู…ุญุงูˆู„ุฉ ุชุตุญูŠุญ ุงู„ุฃุฎุทุงุก ุจุฏู„ุงู‹ ู…ู† ู…ุฌุฑุฏ ุงู„ู†ูˆู… ุงู„ุฌูŠุฏ ูƒู„ ู„ูŠู„ุฉ.
17:56
you know, just sleeping well every night.
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18:00
Talk to me about what guilt feels like in this role,
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ุชุญุฏุซ ู…ุนูŠ ุนู† ุงู„ุดุนูˆุฑ ุจุงู„ุฐู†ุจ ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฏูˆุฑุŒ
18:02
because I don't like being responsible for four people, let alone 40 million.
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ู„ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ู„ุง ุฃุญุจ ุฃู† ุฃูƒูˆู† ู…ุณุคูˆู„ุงู‹ ุนู† ุฃุฑุจุนุฉ ุฃุดุฎุงุตุŒ ู†ุงู‡ูŠูƒ ุนู† 40 ู…ู„ูŠูˆู†ู‹ุง.
18:07
JT: Anytime you see me having fun,
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ููŠ ุฃูŠ ูˆู‚ุช ุชุฑุงู†ูŠ ููŠู‡ ุฃุณุชู…ุชุนุŒ
18:10
I'm connecting with people.
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ุฃุชูˆุงุตู„ ู…ุน ุงู„ู†ุงุณ.
18:12
Like, I'm doing things where people are having genuine interactions
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ู…ุซู„ุŒ ุฃู‚ูˆู… ุจุฃุดูŠุงุก ุญูŠุซ ูŠูƒูˆู† ู„ุฏู‰ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุชูุงุนู„ุงุช ุญู‚ูŠู‚ูŠุฉ
18:16
and that's real.
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ุญู‚ูŠู‚ูŠ.
18:17
The work I do here at this desk, the debates in chamber,
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ุงู„ุนู…ู„ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุฃู‚ูˆู… ุจู‡ ู‡ู†ุง ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ูƒุชุจุŒ ูˆุงู„ู…ู†ุงู‚ุดุงุช ููŠ ุงู„ุบุฑูุฉุŒ
18:22
the things like that, that can be a bit of a grind.
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ูˆุฃุดูŠุงุก ู…ู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู‚ุจูŠู„ุŒ ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ุตุนุจู‹ุง ุจุนุถ ุงู„ุดูŠุก.
18:26
I mean, that's sort of the solitary work
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ุฃุนู†ูŠุŒ ู‡ุฐุง ู†ูˆุน ู…ู† ุงู„ุนู…ู„ ุงู„ุงู†ูุฑุงุฏูŠ
18:29
or the teamwork around the cabinet table,
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ุฃูˆ ุงู„ุนู…ู„ ุงู„ุฌู…ุงุนูŠ ุญูˆู„ ุทุงูˆู„ุฉ ู…ุฌู„ุณ ุงู„ูˆุฒุฑุงุกุŒ ูƒู…ุง
18:32
you know, figuring things out, wrestling with big decisions and stuff.
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ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ุงูƒุชุดุงู ุงู„ุฃุดูŠุงุกุŒ ุงู„ู…ุตุงุฑุนุฉ ู…ุน ุงู„ู‚ุฑุงุฑุงุช ุงู„ูƒุจูŠุฑุฉ ูˆุงู„ุฃุดูŠุงุก.
18:35
That's not always fun.
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ู‡ุฐุง ู„ูŠุณ ู…ู…ุชุนู‹ุง ุฏุงุฆู…ู‹ุง.
18:38
You've always got to think about the opportunity cost,
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ุนู„ูŠูƒ ุฏุงุฆู…ู‹ุง ุงู„ุชููƒูŠุฑ ููŠ ุชูƒู„ูุฉ ุงู„ูุฑุตุฉ ุงู„ุจุฏูŠู„ุฉุŒ
18:40
what the consequences are,
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ูˆู…ุง ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุนูˆุงู‚ุจุŒ
18:41
and just being aware of the weight of these decisions is fine,
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ูˆู…ุฌุฑุฏ ุฅุฏุฑุงูƒ ูˆุฒู† ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู‚ุฑุงุฑุงุช ุฃู…ุฑ ุฌูŠุฏุŒ
18:45
but also not putting on yourself a level of ...
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง ู„ุง ุชุถุน ุนู„ู‰ ู†ูุณูƒ ู…ุณุชูˆู‰ ู…ู†...
18:54
Expectations to be perfect all the time.
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ุงู„ุชูˆู‚ุนุงุช ู„ุชูƒูˆู† ู…ุซุงู„ูŠุฉ ุทูˆุงู„ ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช.
18:57
I mean, so many politicians spend all their time saying,
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ุฃุนู†ูŠุŒ ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณูŠูŠู† ูŠู‚ุถูˆู† ูƒู„ ูˆู‚ุชู‡ู… ููŠ ุงู„ู‚ูˆู„ุŒ
19:00
"I can't make any mistakes."
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ยซู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ูŠ ุงุฑุชูƒุงุจ ุฃูŠ ุฃุฎุทุงุกยป.
19:01
If you can be authentic,
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ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู† ุจุฅู…ูƒุงู†ูƒ ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู† ุฃุตูŠู„ู‹ุงุŒ
19:02
and the one thing that I tend to fall back on is,
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ูˆุงู„ุดูŠุก ุงู„ูˆุญูŠุฏ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุฃู…ูŠู„ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฑุฌูˆุน ุฅู„ูŠู‡ ู‡ูˆุŒ
19:05
I think Canadians have a pretty good sense of where my values are,
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ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุงู„ูƒู†ุฏูŠูŠู† ู„ุฏูŠู‡ู… ุฅุญุณุงุณ ุฌูŠุฏ ุฌุฏู‹ุง ุจู…ูƒุงู† ู‚ูŠู…ูŠุŒ
19:08
what I'm trying to fight for.
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ูˆู…ุง ุฃุญุงูˆู„ ุงู„ูƒูุงุญ ู…ู† ุฃุฌู„ู‡.
19:10
I'm trying to build a more inclusive,
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ุฃุญุงูˆู„ ุจู†ุงุก ู…ุฌุชู…ุน ุฃูƒุซุฑ ุดู…ูˆู„ุงู‹
19:12
positive society in which everyone has a fair chance
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ูˆุฅูŠุฌุงุจูŠุฉ ูŠุชู…ุชุน ููŠู‡ ุงู„ุฌู…ูŠุน ุจูุฑุตุฉ ุนุงุฏู„ุฉ
19:15
and where, I'm sure, do some suboptimal things in this policy or that.
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ูˆุญูŠุซุŒ ุฃู†ุง ู…ุชุฃูƒุฏ ู…ู†ุŒ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจุจุนุถ ุงู„ุฃุดูŠุงุก ุฏูˆู† ุงู„ู…ุณุชูˆู‰ ุงู„ุฃู…ุซู„ ููŠ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณุฉ ุฃูˆ ุชู„ูƒ.
19:20
But when a crisis hits, when a challenge hits,
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุชุญุฏุซ ุฃุฒู…ุฉุŒ ูˆุนู†ุฏู…ุง ูŠุญู„ ุงู„ุชุญุฏูŠุŒ
19:23
I'll, as we all do,
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ุณุฃุนูˆุฏุŒ ูƒู…ุง ู†ูุนู„ ุฌู…ูŠุนู‹ุงุŒ
19:24
revert to our core values and our core instincts.
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ุฅู„ู‰ ู‚ูŠู…ู†ุง ุงู„ุฃุณุงุณูŠุฉ ูˆุบุฑุงุฆุฒู†ุง ุงู„ุฃุณุงุณูŠุฉ.
19:27
I think that's important.
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ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ู…ู‡ู….
19:28
In regards to sleep, that's one of my rules.
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ููŠู…ุง ูŠุชุนู„ู‚ ุจุงู„ู†ูˆู…ุŒ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุฅุญุฏู‰ ู‚ูˆุงุนุฏูŠ.
19:32
I sleep about eight or nine hours every night.
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ุฃู†ุงู… ุญูˆุงู„ูŠ ุซู…ุงู†ูŠ ุฃูˆ ุชุณุน ุณุงุนุงุช ูƒู„ ู„ูŠู„ุฉ.
19:34
I exercise as much as I can,
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ุฃู…ุงุฑุณ ุงู„ุฑูŠุงุถุฉ ุจู‚ุฏุฑ ู…ุง ุฃุณุชุทูŠุนุŒ
19:36
I eat well, I play well with my kids, with friends,
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ุฃุชู†ุงูˆู„ ุทุนุงู…ู‹ุง ุฌูŠุฏู‹ุงุŒ ุฃู„ุนุจ ุฌูŠุฏู‹ุง ู…ุน ุฃุทูุงู„ูŠุŒ ู…ุน ุงู„ุฃุตุฏู‚ุงุกุŒ
19:42
you know, getting that balance of being a real person and not saying,
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ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ุŒ ุฃุญู‚ู‚ ุงู„ุชูˆุงุฒู† ุจูŠู† ูƒูˆู†ูŠ ุดุฎุตู‹ุง ุญู‚ูŠู‚ูŠู‹ุง ูˆู„ุง ุฃู‚ูˆู„ุŒ
19:45
for these years that I am prime minister,
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ุฎู„ุงู„ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุณู†ูˆุงุช ุงู„ุชูŠ ูƒู†ุช ููŠู‡ุง ุฑุฆูŠุณู‹ุง ู„ู„ูˆุฒุฑุงุกุŒ ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู†
19:48
I have to be only prime minister and focus only on that.
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ุฃูƒูˆู† ุฑุฆูŠุณ ุงู„ูˆุฒุฑุงุก ูู‚ุท ูˆุฃุฑูƒุฒ ูู‚ุท ุนู„ู‰ ุฐู„ูƒ.
19:52
I mean, that's a route to madness.
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ุฃุนู†ูŠุŒ ู‡ุฐุง ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฌู†ูˆู†.
19:54
It can still be me that finds joy even after difficult moments
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ู„ุง ูŠุฒุงู„ ุจุฅู…ูƒุงู†ูŠ ุฃู† ุฃุฌุฏ ุงู„ูุฑุญ ุญุชู‰ ุจุนุฏ ุงู„ู„ุญุธุงุช ุงู„ุตุนุจุฉ
20:00
and getting that balance
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ูˆุงู„ุญุตูˆู„ ุนู„ู‰ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุชูˆุงุฒู†
20:02
of allowing myself to be a real whole person
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ู„ู„ุณู…ุงุญ ู„ู†ูุณูŠ ุจุฃู† ุฃูƒูˆู† ุดุฎุตู‹ุง
20:05
with good days and bad days and successes and challenges
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ูƒุงู…ู„ู‹ุง ุญู‚ูŠู‚ูŠู‹ุง ููŠ ุงู„ุฃูŠุงู… ุงู„ุฌูŠุฏุฉ ูˆุงู„ุฃูŠุงู… ุงู„ุณูŠุฆุฉ ูˆุงู„ู†ุฌุงุญุงุช ูˆุงู„ุชุญุฏูŠุงุช ุงู„ุชูŠ
20:10
I think grounds and uplifts you at the same time.
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ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู‡ุง ุชุฑุถูŠูƒ ูˆุชุฑูุนูƒ ููŠ ู†ูุณ ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช.
20:13
AG: I imagine one aspect of your job
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ุขุฏู…: ุฃุชุฎูŠู„ ุฃู† ุฃุญุฏ ุฌูˆุงู†ุจ ุนู…ู„ูƒ
20:15
that's harder now than it used to be
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ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุฃุตุจุญ ุฃุตุนุจ ุงู„ุขู† ู…ู…ุง ูƒุงู† ุนู„ูŠู‡
20:17
is getting people to speak truth to power.
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ู‡ูˆ ุฌุนู„ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ูŠู‚ูˆู„ูˆู† ุงู„ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ ู„ู„ุณู„ุทุฉ.
20:19
You come into office,
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ู„ู‚ุฏ ูˆุตู„ุช ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ู…ู†ุตุจุŒ
20:20
you were peer with a lot of the people that you've brought in,
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ูˆูƒู†ุช ุตุฏูŠู‚ู‹ุง ู„ู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ุฌู„ุจุชู‡ู…ุŒ
20:23
and now anybody you hire has to look at the prime minister.
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ูˆุงู„ุขู† ูŠุฌุจ ุนู„ู‰ ุฃูŠ ุดุฎุต ุชูˆุธูู‡ ุฃู† ูŠู†ุธุฑ ุฅู„ู‰ ุฑุฆูŠุณ ุงู„ูˆุฒุฑุงุก.
20:26
How do you make it safe for people to speak up?
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ูƒูŠู ุชุฌุนู„ ู…ู† ุงู„ุขู…ู† ู„ู„ู†ุงุณ ุงู„ุชุญุฏุซุŸ
20:29
JD: I want to focus on making sure people were their communityโ€™s voice in Ottawa,
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ุงู„ุชุฑูƒูŠุฒ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุชุฃูƒุฏ ู…ู† ุฃู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ูƒุงู†ูˆุง ุตูˆุช ู…ุฌุชู…ุนู‡ู… ููŠ ุฃูˆุชุงูˆุงุŒ
20:35
in Parliament,
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ููŠ ุงู„ุจุฑู„ู…ุงู†ุŒ
20:36
instead of being Parliament's voice in their communities.
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ุจุฏู„ุงู‹ ู…ู† ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู†ูˆุง ุตูˆุช ุงู„ุจุฑู„ู…ุงู† ููŠ ู…ุฌุชู…ุนุงุชู‡ู….
20:39
We sit in 338 seats in the House of Commons,
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ู†ุญู† ู†ุฌู„ุณ ููŠ 338 ู…ู‚ุนุฏู‹ุง ููŠ ู…ุฌู„ุณ ุงู„ุนู…ูˆู…ุŒ
20:42
where each of us, including me,
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ุญูŠุซ ูŠู…ุซู„ ูƒู„ ูˆุงุญุฏ ู…ู†ุงุŒ ุจู…ุง ููŠ ุฐู„ูƒ ุฃู†ุงุŒ ู…ู†ุทู‚ุฉ ู…ุญุฏุฏุฉ ู„ู„ุบุงูŠุฉ.
20:44
represents a very specific district.
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20:47
And our responsibility is to vote
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ูˆู…ุณุคูˆู„ูŠุชู†ุง ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุชุตูˆูŠุช
20:52
and speak for the people,
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ูˆุงู„ุชุญุฏุซ ู†ูŠุงุจุฉ ุนู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณุŒ
20:54
our peers who elected us to come and sit in this House.
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ุฃู‚ุฑุงู†ู†ุง ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ุงู†ุชุฎุจูˆู†ุง ู„ู„ุญุถูˆุฑ ูˆุงู„ุฌู„ูˆุณ ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ุฌู„ุณ.
20:58
And anchoring my team,
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ูˆุชุฑุณูŠุฎ ูุฑูŠู‚ูŠุŒ
21:02
all the MPs,
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ุฌู…ูŠุน ุงู„ู†ูˆุงุจุŒ
21:04
in their responsibility to speak for their community,
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ููŠ ู…ุณุคูˆู„ูŠุชู‡ู… ุนู† ุงู„ุชุญุฏุซ ุจุงุณู… ู…ุฌุชู…ุนู‡ู…ุŒ
21:08
even if that's, you know,
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ุญุชู‰ ู„ูˆ ูƒุงู†ุช ู‡ุฐู‡
21:10
concerns with something I'm doing
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ุงู„ู…ุฎุงูˆูุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ุจุดุฃู† ุดูŠุก ุฃู‚ูˆู… ุจู‡
21:13
is really, really important.
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ุฃู…ุฑ ู…ู‡ู… ุญู‚ู‹ุง.
21:15
That actually leads not to negative consequences for them,
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ู‡ุฐุง ู„ุง ูŠุคุฏูŠ ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน ุฅู„ู‰ ุนูˆุงู‚ุจ ุณู„ุจูŠุฉ ุจุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ู„ู‡ู…ุŒ
21:19
but to me saying, OK, because I heard you on this one,
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ุจุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ู„ูŠ ู„ุฃู‚ูˆู„ุŒ ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ู„ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ุณู…ุนุชูƒ ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑุŒ
21:22
as we move forward on this policy
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ุจูŠู†ู…ุง ู†ู…ุถูŠ ู‚ุฏู…ู‹ุง ููŠ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณุฉ
21:24
that I know isn't going to be really popular
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ุฃุนุฑู ุฃู†ู‡ุง ู„ู† ุชุญุธู‰ ุจุดุนุจูŠุฉ ูƒุจูŠุฑุฉ ููŠ ุจุนุถ ุฃุฌุฒุงุก ู…ุฌุชู…ุนูƒุŒ
21:26
in some parts of your community,
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21:28
I'm going to say that I know it's not going to be popular,
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ุณุฃู‚ูˆู„ ุฅู†ู†ูŠ ุฃุนู„ู… ุฃู†ู‡ุง ู„ู† ุชุญุธู‰ ุจุดุนุจูŠุฉุŒ
21:31
or we're going to bring in this mitigation,
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ุฃูˆ ุณู†ู‚ูˆู… ุจุฅุฏุฎุงู„ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุชุฎููŠูุŒ ุฃูˆ ุณู†ุญุงูˆู„ ุชุนุฏูŠู„ ู‡ุฐุงุŒ
21:33
or we're going to try and adjust this,
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ูˆุฎู„ู‚ ู…ุณุงุญุฉ ุญูŠุซ ูŠู…ูƒู† ู„ู„ู†ุงุณ ุงู„ู…ุดุงุฑูƒุฉ ู…ุนูŠ ู…ุฎุงูˆูู‡ู…
21:35
and creating a space where people can share with me their concerns
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21:39
in a way that I'm not going to fly off the handle at them
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ุจุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ู„ู† ุฃูู„ุช ู…ู† ุงู„ุณูŠุทุฑุฉ ุนู„ูŠู‡ู…
21:42
or belittle them,
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ุฃูˆ ู‚ู„ู„ ู…ู† ุดุฃู†ู‡ู…ุŒ
21:43
just basic interpersonal ability to take criticism
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ูู‚ุท ุงู„ู‚ุฏุฑุฉ ุงู„ุดุฎุตูŠุฉ ุงู„ุฃุณุงุณูŠุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุชุญู…ู„ ุงู„ู†ู‚ุฏุŒ
21:47
and, you know, put people at ease
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ูˆูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ุŒ ุงุฌุนู„ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ
21:50
when they're telling you something they think you don't want to hear,
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ูŠุดุนุฑูˆู† ุจุงู„ุฑุงุญุฉ ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ูŠุฎุจุฑูˆู†ูƒ ุจุดูŠุก ูŠุนุชู‚ุฏูˆู† ุฃู†ูƒ ู„ุง ุชุฑูŠุฏ ุณู…ุงุนู‡ุŒ
21:53
which, maybe you don't,
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ูˆุงู„ุฐูŠ ุฑุจู…ุง ู„ุง ุชุฑุบุจ ููŠ ุณู…ุงุนู‡ุŒ
21:55
is part of being a leader that actually pulls together diversity.
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ู‡ูˆ ุฌุฒุก ู…ู† ูƒูˆู†ูƒ ู‚ุงุฆุฏู‹ุง ูŠุฌู…ุน ุงู„ุชู†ูˆุน ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน.
21:59
And you cannot run or serve a country like Canada
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ูˆู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ุฅุฏุงุฑุฉ ุฃูˆ ุฎุฏู…ุฉ ุจู„ุฏ ู…ุซู„ ูƒู†ุฏุง
22:04
unless you're ready to fully embrace diversity.
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ุฅู„ุง ุฅุฐุง ูƒู†ุช ู…ุณุชุนุฏู‹ุง ู„ุงุญุชุถุงู† ุงู„ุชู†ูˆุน ุจุดูƒู„ ูƒุงู…ู„.
22:07
If you can't model that amongst your team,
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ุฅุฐุง ู„ู… ุชุชู…ูƒู† ู…ู† ู†ู…ุฐุฌุฉ
22:10
then how are you going to do right
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ุฐู„ูƒ ุจูŠู† ูุฑูŠู‚ูƒุŒ ููƒูŠู ุณุชูุนู„ ุฐู„ูƒ
22:12
by a country that is as variegated as we are?
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ุจุดูƒู„ ุตุญูŠุญ ููŠ ุจู„ุฏ ู…ุชู†ูˆุน ู…ุซู„ู†ุงุŸ
22:17
AG: Well, I'd love to know what your team is pushing you to improve at.
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ุขุฏู…: ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ุฃูˆุฏ ุฃู† ุฃุนุฑู ู…ุง ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠุฏูุนูƒ ูุฑูŠู‚ูƒ ู„ุชุญุณูŠู†ู‡.
22:21
How are you trying to grow as a leader?
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ูƒูŠู ุชุญุงูˆู„ ุฃู† ุชู†ู…ูˆ ูƒู‚ุงุฆุฏุŸ
22:23
What feedback or notes have you gotten lately?
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ู…ุง ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู‚ุงุช ุฃูˆ ุงู„ู…ู„ุงุญุธุงุช ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชู„ู‚ูŠุชู‡ุง ู…ุคุฎุฑู‹ุงุŸ
22:28
JT: I've been on a kick lately of just saying,
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ู„ู‚ุฏ ุจุฏุฃุช ู…ุคุฎุฑู‹ุง ููŠ ู…ุฌุฑุฏ ุงู„ู‚ูˆู„ุŒ
22:32
"Look, if we could just explain what this policy actually is,
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ยซุงู†ุธุฑูˆุงุŒ ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู† ุจุฅู…ูƒุงู†ู†ุง ูู‚ุท ุดุฑุญ ู…ุงู‡ูŠุฉ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุนุŒ
22:37
if we could show the charts and the graphs,
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ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู† ุจุฅู…ูƒุงู†ู†ุง ุนุฑุถ ุงู„ู…ุฎุทุทุงุช ูˆุงู„ุฑุณูˆู… ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ูŠุฉุŒ
22:40
and if I could just sit down and talk through
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ูˆุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู† ุจุฅู…ูƒุงู†ูŠ ูู‚ุท ุงู„ุฌู„ูˆุณ ูˆุงู„ุชุญุฏุซ ุนู†
22:44
why this is the right policy
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ุณุจุจ ูƒูˆู† ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณุฉ ุตุญูŠุญุฉ
22:46
and how it's actually going to help,
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ูˆูƒูŠู ุณุชุณุงุนุฏ ุจุงู„ูุนู„ุŒ
22:47
and everyone will get it and they'll agree and then we can move on,
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ูˆุณูŠุญุตู„ ุนู„ูŠู‡ุง ุงู„ุฌู…ูŠุน ูˆุณูŠูˆุงูู‚ูˆู†ุŒ ูˆุจุนุฏ ุฐู„ูƒ ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ุง ุงู„ู…ุถูŠ ู‚ุฏู…ู‹ุงุŒ
22:51
and there won't be this debate over whether putting a price on pollution
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ูˆู„ู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู†ู‚ุงุด ุญูˆู„ ู…ุง ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู† ูˆุถุน ุณุนุฑ ู„ู„ุชู„ูˆุซ
22:54
that puts more money back in people's pockets is a good idea or not,
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ูŠุถุน ุงู„ู…ุฒูŠุฏ ุงุณุชุฑุฏุงุฏ ุงู„ุฃู…ูˆุงู„ ููŠ ุฌูŠูˆุจ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ููƒุฑุฉ ุฌูŠุฏุฉ ุฃู… ู„ุงุŒ
22:58
because everyone will see.
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ู„ุฃู† ุงู„ุฌู…ูŠุน ุณูŠุฑูˆู†.
22:59
If I could just explain it enough and use the right charts."
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ู„ูˆ ูƒุงู† ุจุฅู…ูƒุงู†ูŠ ุดุฑุญ ุฐู„ูƒ ุจุดูƒู„ ูƒุงูู ูˆุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู… ุงู„ุฑุณูˆู… ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ูŠุฉ ุงู„ุตุญูŠุญุฉ.ยป
23:02
People are like, "Boss, you're not a teacher anymore."
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ูŠู‚ูˆู„ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ: ยซุฃูŠู‡ุง ุงู„ุฑุฆูŠุณุŒ ุฃู†ุช ู„ุณุช ู…ุฏุฑุณู‹ุง ุจุนุฏ ุงู„ุขู†.ยป
23:05
My team, my MPs will come to me and say, "No, no,
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ูุฑูŠู‚ูŠุŒ ู†ูˆุงุจูŠ ุณูŠุฃุชูˆู† ุฅู„ูŠู‘ ูˆูŠู‚ูˆู„ูˆู†ุŒ ยซู„ุงุŒ ู„ุงุŒ
23:07
we just need you to get out there and talk about the world we're building
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ู†ุฑูŠุฏ ู…ู†ูƒ ูู‚ุท ุงู„ุฎุฑูˆุฌ ูˆุงู„ุชุญุฏุซ ุนู† ุงู„ุนุงู„ู… ุงู„ุฐูŠ ู†ุจู†ูŠู‡
23:11
and reassure people that you've got the plan
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ูˆุทู…ุฃู†ุฉ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุจุฃู†ูƒ ุญุตู„ุช ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฎุทุฉ
23:13
and you're confident in it
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ูˆุฃู†ูƒ ูˆุงุซู‚ ุจู‡ุง ูˆุฃู†ุช ุชุนุฑุถู‡ุงุŒ
23:14
and you're projecting it,
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ูˆุณู†ุตู„ ุฅู„ู‰ ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ู…ูƒุงู† ุงู„ุฃูุถู„ุŒ
23:16
and we're going to get to that better place,
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ูˆุณุชู‚ูˆู… ุจุทู…ุฃู†ุชู‡ู…ุŒ
23:18
and you're going to reassure them,
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ูˆุณุชุชูˆุงุตู„ ู…ุนู‡ู…
23:20
and you're going to connect with them
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ูˆุชุชูˆู‚ู ุนู† ุงู„ุดุฑุญ.ยป
23:22
and stop it with the explaining."
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23:24
And that's one that I've had a lot of trouble with.
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุดูŠุก ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูˆุงุฌู‡ุช ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุดุงูƒู„ ู…ุนู‡.
23:27
And I think my team finally said, "OK, fine,
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ูˆุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ูุฑูŠู‚ูŠ ู‚ุงู„ ุฃุฎูŠุฑู‹ุงุŒ ยซุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ
23:30
we'll make you do lots of podcasts instead,"
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ุณู†ุฌุนู„ูƒ ุชู‚ูˆู… ุจุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุจูˆุฏูƒุงุณุช ุจุฏู„ุงู‹ ู…ู† ุฐู„ูƒยปุŒ
23:32
where I do get to do, as one of our mayors once famously put,
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ุญูŠุซ ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ูŠ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู…ุŒ ูƒู…ุง ู‚ุงู„ ุฃุญุฏ ุฑุคุณุงุก ุงู„ุจู„ุฏูŠุงุช ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ุฐุงุช ู…ุฑุฉุŒ
23:37
politics in full sentences.
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ุจุงู„ุณูŠุงุณุฉ ุจุฌู…ู„ ูƒุงู…ู„ุฉ.
23:39
AG: I have a clear vision of what the meeting looked like
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ุขุฏู…: ู„ุฏูŠ ุฑุคูŠุฉ ูˆุงุถุญุฉ ู„ู…ุง ุจุฏุง ุนู„ูŠู‡ ุงู„ุงุฌุชู…ุงุน
23:41
after you left the room.
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ุจุนุฏ ู…ุบุงุฏุฑุฉ ุงู„ุบุฑูุฉ.
23:43
"PM is trying to show PowerPoint again.
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ยซูŠุนุฑุถ ุฑุฆูŠุณ ุงู„ูˆุฒุฑุงุก ุจูˆุฑุจูˆูŠู†ุช ู…ุฑุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰.
23:45
How do we get around this? Podcasts!"
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ูƒูŠู ู†ุชุบู„ุจ ุนู„ู‰ ู‡ุฐุงุŸ ุจูˆุฏูƒุงุณุช!ยป
23:47
JT: Exactly, exactly.
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ุจุงู„ุถุจุทุŒ ุจุงู„ุถุจุท.
23:48
It was pretty much it, I said no,
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ู„ู‚ุฏ ูƒุงู† ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ูƒุฐู„ูƒ ุฅู„ู‰ ุญุฏ ูƒุจูŠุฑุŒ
23:50
I even wrote a script for an explainer video where I can do this.
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ูู‚ู„ุช ู„ุงุŒ ุญุชู‰ ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ูƒุชุจุช ู†ุตู‹ุง ู„ููŠุฏูŠูˆ ุชูˆุถูŠุญูŠ ุญูŠุซ ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ูŠ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจุฐู„ูƒ.
23:53
And it was like, "God, OK, we'll try."
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ูˆูƒุงู† ู…ุซู„ุŒ ยซูŠุง ุฅู„ู‡ูŠุŒ ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ุณู†ุญุงูˆู„.ยป
23:56
And they've done little bits of it and some of them work a bit,
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ูˆู‚ุฏ ูุนู„ูˆุง ุฃุฌุฒุงุก ุตุบูŠุฑุฉ ู…ู† ุฐู„ูƒ ูˆุนู…ู„ ุจุนุถู‡ู… ู‚ู„ูŠู„ุงู‹ุŒ
23:59
but it's still me trying to be a teacher,
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ู„ูƒู†ู†ูŠ ู…ุง ุฒู„ุช ุฃุญุงูˆู„ ุฃู† ุฃุตุจุญ
24:03
as opposed to me being the leader
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ู…ุฏุฑุณู‹ุงุŒ ุนู„ู‰ ุนูƒุณ ูƒูˆู†ูŠ ุงู„ู‚ุงุฆุฏ
24:06
that is telling the story of where Canada goes.
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ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠุฑูˆูŠ ู‚ุตุฉ ุฃูŠู† ุชุฐู‡ุจ ูƒู†ุฏุง.
24:10
AG: Well, that, I think, is a good segue to the lightning round.
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ุขุฏู…: ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ูŠุนุฏ ู…ู‚ุทุนู‹ุง ุฌูŠุฏู‹ุง ู„ุฌูˆู„ุฉ ุงู„ุจุฑู‚.
24:13
Are you ready for this?
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ู‡ู„ ุฃู†ุช ู…ุณุชุนุฏ ู„ู‡ุฐุงุŸ
24:14
I have a bunch of rapid-fire questions.
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ู„ุฏูŠ ู…ุฌู…ูˆุนุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃุณุฆู„ุฉ ุงู„ุณุฑูŠุนุฉ.
24:16
First one is, who's a leader you admire who's no longer alive?
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ุงู„ุณุคุงู„ ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ ู‡ูˆุŒ ู…ู† ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ู‚ุงุฆุฏ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุชุญุจู‡ ูˆุงู„ุฐูŠ ู„ู… ูŠุนุฏ ุนู„ู‰ ู‚ูŠุฏ ุงู„ุญูŠุงุฉุŸ
24:19
JT: My dad.
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ูˆุงู„ุฏูŠ.
24:21
AG: That's an easy one.
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ุขุฏู…: ู‡ุฐุง ุฃู…ุฑ ุณู‡ู„.
24:22
Anyone you're not related to that you would add?
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ุฃูŠ ุดุฎุต ู„ุง ุชุฑุจุทูƒ ุจู‡ ุตู„ุฉ ูˆุงู„ุฐูŠ ุณุชุถูŠูู‡ุŸ
24:24
JT: Lincoln's appeal to the better angels of our natures
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ุฅู† ุฌุงุฐุจูŠุฉ ู„ูŠู†ูƒูˆู„ู† ู„ุฃูุถู„ ู…ู„ุงุฆูƒุฉ ุทุจูŠุนุชู†ุง
24:27
is one that I always go back to
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ู‡ูŠ ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุฃุนูˆุฏ ุฅู„ูŠู‡ุง ุฏุงุฆู…ู‹ุง
24:29
as he handled a divided country
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ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุชุนุงู…ู„ ู…ุน ุจู„ุฏ
24:32
in the most challenging ways.
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ู…ู†ู‚ุณู… ุจุฃูƒุซุฑ ุงู„ุทุฑู‚ ุชุญุฏูŠู‹ุง.
24:36
You know, I think to him, every now and then.
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ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ุฃููƒุฑ ุจู‡ุŒ ุจูŠู† ุงู„ุญูŠู† ูˆุงู„ุขุฎุฑ.
24:38
AG: I feel a little bad that you chose an American leader.
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ุขุฏู…: ุฃุดุนุฑ ุจุจุนุถ ุงู„ุณูˆุก ู„ุฃู†ูƒ ุงุฎุชุฑุช ู‚ุงุฆุฏู‹ุง ุฃู…ุฑูŠูƒูŠู‹ุง.
24:40
JT: No, you shouldn't.
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ู„ุงุŒ ู„ุง ูŠุฌุจ ุนู„ูŠูƒ ุฐู„ูƒ.
24:42
America has provided some of the best leaders
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ู„ู‚ุฏ ู‚ุฏู…ุช ุฃู…ุฑูŠูƒุง ุจุนุถู‹ุง ู…ู† ุฃูุถู„ ุงู„ู‚ุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ุฐูŠู†
24:45
the world has ever seen.
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ุดุงู‡ุฏู‡ู… ุงู„ุนุงู„ู… ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฅุทู„ุงู‚.
24:46
AG: OK, so one of my all-time favorite Canadian contests
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ุขุฏู…: ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ูƒุงู†ุช ุฅุญุฏู‰ ุงู„ู…ุณุงุจู‚ุงุช ุงู„ูƒู†ุฏูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ูุถู„ุฉ ู„ุฏูŠ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฅุทู„ุงู‚
24:49
was to come up with an equivalent
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ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุชูˆุตู„ ุฅู„ู‰ ู…ุง ูŠุนุงุฏู„
24:51
of "as American as apple pie" for Canada.
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ยซุฃู…ุฑูŠูƒูŠ ู…ุซู„ ูุทูŠุฑุฉ ุงู„ุชูุงุญยป ู„ูƒู†ุฏุง.
24:54
JT: And the answer in Canada was
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ูˆูƒุงู†ุช ุงู„ุฅุฌุงุจุฉ ููŠ ูƒู†ุฏุง
24:56
"as Canadian as possible under the circumstances."
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ยซูƒู†ุฏูŠู‹ุง ู‚ุฏุฑ ุงู„ุฅู…ูƒุงู† ููŠ ุธู„ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุธุฑูˆูยป.
24:59
AG: You have done your homework.
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ุขุฏู…: ู„ู‚ุฏ ู‚ู…ุช ุจูˆุงุฌุจูƒ ุงู„ู…ู†ุฒู„ูŠ.
25:00
JT: Yeah, it's a classic Gzowski piece.
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ู†ุนู…ุŒ ุฅู†ู‡ุง ู…ู‚ูˆู„ุฉ Gzowski ูƒู„ุงุณูŠูƒูŠุฉ.
25:02
AG: What does that mean to you?
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ุขุฏู…: ู…ุงุฐุง ูŠุนู†ูŠ ุฐู„ูƒ ุจุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ู„ูƒุŸ
25:09
JT: Oh, God, that's a good question.
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ูŠุง ุฅู„ู‡ูŠุŒ ู‡ุฐุง ุณุคุงู„ ุฌูŠุฏ.
25:10
I think it means that we're people who understand compromise
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ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ูŠุนู†ูŠ ุฃู†ู†ุง ุฃุดุฎุงุต ูŠูู‡ู…ูˆู† ุงู„ุชุณูˆูŠุฉ
25:16
and reality.
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ูˆุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน.
25:20
That things don't always go towards our ideal.
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ุฃู† ุงู„ุฃุดูŠุงุก ู„ุง ุชุชุฌู‡ ุฏุงุฆู…ู‹ุง ู†ุญูˆ ู‡ุฏูู†ุง ุงู„ู…ุซุงู„ูŠ.
25:24
There's no manifest destiny like there is in the United States.
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ู„ุง ูŠูˆุฌุฏ ู…ุตูŠุฑ ูˆุงุถุญ ูƒู…ุง ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุญุงู„ ููŠ ุงู„ูˆู„ุงูŠุงุช ุงู„ู…ุชุญุฏุฉ.
25:27
It's a sense of, you know, we're going to figure this out.
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ุฅู†ู‡ ุดุนูˆุฑุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ุจุฃู†ู†ุง ุณู†ูƒุชุดู ุฐู„ูƒ.
25:30
We're going to roll up our sleeves,
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ุณูˆู ู†ุดู…ุฑ ุนู† ุณูˆุงุนุฏู†ุงุŒ
25:32
we're going to figure out how to get along,
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ูˆุณู†ูƒุชุดู ูƒูŠููŠุฉ ุงู„ุชุนุงูŠุดุŒ
25:34
and solve the problems given the tools we have.
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ูˆุญู„ ุงู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุงุช ููŠ ุถูˆุก ุงู„ุฃุฏูˆุงุช ุงู„ุชูŠ ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง.
25:36
AG: Basically it's a slogan for Canadian agreeableness
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ุขุฏู…: ุฅู†ู‡ ููŠ ุงู„ุฃุณุงุณ ุดุนุงุฑ ู„ู„ู…ูˆุงูู‚ุฉ ุงู„ูƒู†ุฏูŠุฉ ูˆุงู„ู‚ุฏุฑุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุชูƒูŠู.
25:39
and adaptability.
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ุŒ ูุฅู† ุงู„ุงุนุชุฐุงุฑ ุจุนุฏ ุฃู† ูŠุตุทุฏู… ุจูƒ ุดุฎุต ู…ุง
25:40
JT: You know, saying sorry after someone bumps into you
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25:43
is a way of, you know, easing that dynamic as well.
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ู‡ูˆ ูˆุณูŠู„ุฉุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ู„ุชุฎููŠู ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุฏูŠู†ุงู…ูŠูƒูŠุฉ ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง.
25:46
AG: Touche.
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ุขุฏู…: ุญุฌุฉ ู…ู„ุงุฆู…ุฉ.
25:47
What's the worst piece of leadership advice you've been given?
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ู…ุง ู‡ูŠ ุฃุณูˆุฃ ู†ุตูŠุญุฉ ู‚ูŠุงุฏูŠุฉ ุชู„ู‚ูŠุชู‡ุงุŸ
25:50
JT: Try to be more like your dad.
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ุญุงูˆู„ ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู† ู…ุซู„ ูˆุงู„ุฏูƒ.
25:52
AG: Why was that bad advice?
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ุขุฏู…: ู„ู…ุงุฐุง ูƒุงู†ุช ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู†ุตูŠุญุฉ ุงู„ุณูŠุฆุฉุŸ
25:54
JT: Because I'm not him.
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ู„ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ู„ุณุช ู‡ูˆ.
25:55
And people say, "I like the way you did that,
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ูˆูŠู‚ูˆู„ ุงู„ู†ุงุณุŒ ยซุฃู†ุง ุฃุญุจ ุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ูุนู„ุช ุจู‡ุง
25:58
It was just like your dad."
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ุฐู„ูƒุŒ ูƒุงู† ู…ุซู„ ูˆุงู„ุฏูƒ ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง.ยป
25:59
I'm like, "I have to be careful of that."
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ุฃู‚ูˆู„: ยซูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ุฃูƒูˆู† ุญุฐุฑู‹ุง ู…ู† ุฐู„ูƒ.ยป
26:01
Growing up with parents who are very successful or take up a lot of space,
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ุฅู† ู†ุดุฃุชูƒ ู…ุน ุขุจุงุก ู†ุงุฌุญูŠู† ุฌุฏู‹ุง ุฃูˆ ูŠุดุบู„ูˆู† ู…ุณุงุญุฉ ูƒุจูŠุฑุฉุŒ
26:05
you know, forces you to be very deliberate
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ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ุŒ ูŠุฌุจุฑูƒ ุนู„ู‰ ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู† ู…ุฏุฑูˆุณู‹ุง ุฌุฏู‹ุง
26:08
about what you're choosing to take from them,
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ุจุดุฃู† ู…ุง ุชุฎุชุงุฑ ุฃู† ุชุฃุฎุฐู‡ ู…ู†ู‡ู…ุŒ
26:11
what you're choosing not to.
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ูˆู…ุง ุชุฎุชุงุฑ ุนุฏู… ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจู‡.
26:12
And then you have to deal with all the expectations.
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ุซู… ุนู„ูŠูƒ ุงู„ุชุนุงู…ู„ ู…ุน ุฌู…ูŠุน ุงู„ุชูˆู‚ุนุงุช.
26:15
All my life, people said, "Your dad was prime minister,
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ุทูˆุงู„ ุญูŠุงุชูŠุŒ ู‚ุงู„ ุงู„ู†ุงุณุŒ ยซูƒุงู† ูˆุงู„ุฏูƒ ุฑุฆูŠุณู‹ุง ู„ู„ูˆุฒุฑุงุกุŒ
26:17
Do you want to be prime minister, too?"
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ู‡ู„ ุชุฑูŠุฏ ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู† ุฑุฆูŠุณู‹ุง ู„ู„ูˆุฒุฑุงุก ุฃูŠุถู‹ุงุŸยป
26:19
My kids are going through it now, too.
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ุฃุทูุงู„ูŠ ูŠู…ุฑูˆู† ุจู‡ุง ุงู„ุขู† ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง.
26:21
"Two generations.
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ยซุฌูŠู„ูŠู†. ู‡ู„ ุณุชูƒูˆู† ุงู„ุฌูŠู„ ุงู„ุซุงู„ุซุŸยป
26:22
Are you going to be the third generation?"
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26:24
And it's like, "I'm a teenager.
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ูˆุฃู‚ูˆู„: ยซุฃู†ุง ู…ุฑุงู‡ู‚.
26:26
What the hell do I know?" Right?
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ู…ุงุฐุง ุฃุนุฑู ุจุญู‚ ุงู„ุฌุญูŠู…ุŸยป ุฃู„ูŠุณ ูƒุฐู„ูƒุŸ
26:27
And learning how to be grounded in who and what you are
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ูˆุชุนู„ู… ูƒูŠููŠุฉ ุงู„ุงุนุชู…ุงุฏ ุนู„ู‰ ู‡ูˆูŠุชูƒ ูˆู…ุง ุฃู†ุช ุนู„ูŠู‡
26:32
and unapologetic about it
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ูˆุนุฏู… ุงู„ุงุนุชุฐุงุฑ ุนู† ุฐู„ูƒ
26:33
and not trying to be something you're not ever
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ูˆุนุฏู… ู…ุญุงูˆู„ุฉ ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู† ุดูŠุฆู‹ุง ู„ู… ุชูƒู† ุนู„ูŠู‡ ุฃุจุฏู‹ุง
26:36
is hugely important.
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ุฃู…ุฑ ู…ู‡ู… ู„ู„ุบุงูŠุฉ.
26:38
AG: What's something you've rethought lately?
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ุขุฏู…: ู…ุง ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุดูŠุก ุงู„ุฐูŠ ู‚ู…ุช ุจุฅุนุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ุชููƒูŠุฑ ููŠู‡ ู…ุคุฎุฑู‹ุงุŸ
26:40
JT: Rethinking all the forces that ended up leaving Canadians ...
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ุฅุนุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ุชููƒูŠุฑ ููŠ ุฌู…ูŠุน ุงู„ู‚ูˆู‰ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุงู†ุชู‡ู‰ ุจู‡ุง ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุฅู„ู‰ ุชุฑูƒ ุงู„ูƒู†ุฏูŠูŠู†...
26:50
Divided or grumpy post-pandemic.
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ู…ู†ู‚ุณู… ุฃูˆ ุบุงุถุจ ุจุนุฏ ุงู„ูˆุจุงุก.
26:54
During the pandemic, we scrambled to try and do everything we could.
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ุฎู„ุงู„ ุงู„ูˆุจุงุกุŒ ูƒุงูุญู†ุง ู„ู…ุญุงูˆู„ุฉ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจูƒู„ ู…ุง ููŠ ูˆุณุนู†ุง.
27:00
We delivered a 500-dollar-a-week income replacement for low-income people.
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ู„ู‚ุฏ ู‚ุฏู…ู†ุง ุจุฏูŠู„ุงู‹ ู„ู„ุฏุฎู„ ุจู‚ูŠู…ุฉ 500 ุฏูˆู„ุงุฑ ููŠ ุงู„ุฃุณุจูˆุน ู„ู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต ุฐูˆูŠ ุงู„ุฏุฎู„ ุงู„ู…ู†ุฎูุถ.
27:05
We brought in a 75 percent wage subsidy that kept people on the payrolls.
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ู„ู‚ุฏ ู‚ุฏู…ู†ุง ุฏุนู…ู‹ุง ู„ู„ุฃุฌูˆุฑ ุจู†ุณุจุฉ 75 ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุงุฆุฉ ู…ู…ุง ุฃุจู‚ู‰ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุนู„ู‰ ูƒุดูˆู ุงู„ู…ุฑุชุจุงุช.
27:09
We encouraged and, you know,
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ู„ู‚ุฏ ุดุฌุนู†ุงุŒ ูˆูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ
27:12
created conditions in which everyone was encouraged to get vaccination.
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ุฎู„ู‚ู†ุง ุงู„ุธุฑูˆู ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชู… ููŠู‡ุง ุชุดุฌูŠุน ุงู„ุฌู…ูŠุน ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุญุตูˆู„ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุชุทุนูŠู….
27:17
We had a higher double-vaccination rate than just about any of our peer countries.
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ูƒุงู† ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ู…ุนุฏู„ ุชุทุนูŠู… ู…ุฒุฏูˆุฌ ุฃุนู„ู‰ ู…ู† ุฃูŠ ู…ู† ุงู„ุจู„ุฏุงู† ุงู„ู†ุธูŠุฑุฉ.
27:21
We had a less bad pandemic than just about any of our peer countries.
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ูƒุงู† ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ูˆุจุงุก ุฃู‚ู„ ุณูˆุกู‹ุง ู…ู† ุฃูŠ ู…ู† ุงู„ุจู„ุฏุงู† ุงู„ู†ุธูŠุฑุฉ.
27:26
And yet, some of the lingering impacts of those policies
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ูˆู…ุน ุฐู„ูƒุŒ
ุชุณุชู…ุฑ ุจุนุถ ุงู„ุขุซุงุฑ ุงู„ู…ุณุชู…ุฑุฉ ู„ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณุงุช ููŠ ุชู‚ุณูŠู… ุงู„ูƒู†ุฏูŠูŠู†.
27:31
continue to divide Canadians.
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27:33
And I'm still trying to figure out how to bring Canadians back together.
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ูˆู…ุง ุฒู„ุช ุฃุญุงูˆู„ ู…ุนุฑูุฉ ูƒูŠููŠุฉ ุฅุนุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ูƒู†ุฏูŠูŠู† ู…ุนู‹ุง.
27:38
And it's something I'm grappling with.
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ูˆู‡ูˆ ุดูŠุก ุฃุชุนุงู…ู„ ู…ุนู‡.
27:40
AG: What's a book you read recently that you loved?
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ุขุฏู…: ู…ุง ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ูƒุชุงุจ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ู‚ุฑุฃุชู‡ ู…ุคุฎุฑู‹ุง ูˆุฃุญุจุจุชู‡ุŸ
27:45
JT: "The Invisible Life of Addie LaRue,"
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ยซุงู„ุญูŠุงุฉ ุงู„ุฎููŠุฉ ู„ุฃุฏูŠ ู„ุงุฑูˆยปุŒ
27:48
which is a lovely story of a young woman who was born in, like,
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ูˆู‡ูŠ ู‚ุตุฉ ุฌู…ูŠู„ุฉ ู„ุดุงุจุฉ ูˆู„ุฏุช ููŠ ูุฑู†ุณุง ููŠ
27:53
17th-century France,
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ุงู„ู‚ุฑู† ุงู„ุณุงุจุน ุนุดุฑุŒ
27:55
who made a Faustian bargain and lived forever.
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ูˆุฃุจุฑู…ุช ุงู„ุตูู‚ุฉ ุดูŠุทุงู†ูŠุฉ ูˆุนุงุดุช ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃุจุฏ.
28:01
But anyone she met would instantly forget her the second she walked past.
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ู„ูƒู† ุฃูŠ ุดุฎุต ุชู‚ุงุจู„ู‡ ุณูŠู†ุณุงู‡ุง ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ููˆุฑ ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุฑุฉ ุงู„ุซุงู†ูŠุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ู…ุฑุช ููŠู‡ุง.
28:06
And what kind of a life is that when you actually can't have a lasting impact
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ูˆุฃูŠ ู†ูˆุน ู…ู† ุงู„ุญูŠุงุฉ ู‡ูˆ ุฐู„ูƒ ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ู„ุง ูŠูƒูˆู† ู„ุฏูŠูƒ ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน ุชุฃุซูŠุฑ ุฏุงุฆู…
28:10
on anyone around you?
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ุนู„ู‰ ุฃูŠ ุดุฎุต ู…ู† ุญูˆู„ูƒุŸ
28:13
I read almost only fiction on my downtime
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ู‚ุฑุฃุช ุงู„ู‚ุตุต ุงู„ุฎูŠุงู„ูŠุฉ ูู‚ุท ุชู‚ุฑูŠุจู‹ุง ููŠ ูˆู‚ุช ุงู„ุชูˆู‚ู ุนู† ุงู„ุนู…ู„
28:16
because I read so much nonfiction for work.
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ู„ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ู‚ุฑุฃุช ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ู‚ุตุต ุบูŠุฑ ุงู„ุฎูŠุงู„ูŠุฉ ู„ู„ุนู…ู„.
28:20
AG: What's the question you have for me?
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ุขุฏู…: ู…ุง ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุณุคุงู„ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ู„ุฏูŠูƒ ุจุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ู„ูŠุŸ
28:24
JT: Well, you give advice to leaders of all different types
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ุฃู†ุช ุชู‚ุฏู… ุงู„ู…ุดูˆุฑุฉ ู„ู„ู‚ุงุฏุฉ ู…ู† ุฌู…ูŠุน ุงู„ุฃู†ูˆุงุน ุงู„ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉ
28:30
on how to adjust
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ุญูˆู„ ูƒูŠููŠุฉ ุงู„ุชูƒูŠู
28:32
and how to lead today,
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ูˆูƒูŠููŠุฉ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ูŠูˆู…ุŒ
28:34
given social media, given post-pandemic world, all that.
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ุจุงู„ู†ุธุฑ ุฅู„ู‰ ูˆุณุงุฆู„ ุงู„ุชูˆุงุตู„ ุงู„ุงุฌุชู…ุงุนูŠุŒ ูˆุจุงู„ู†ุธุฑ ุฅู„ู‰ ุนุงู„ู… ู…ุง ุจุนุฏ ุงู„ูˆุจุงุกุŒ ูƒู„ ุฐู„ูƒ.
28:39
Would you give the same advice or different advice to political leaders
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ู‡ู„ ุณุชู‚ุฏู… ู†ูุณ ุงู„ู†ุตูŠุญุฉ ุฃูˆ ุงู„ู†ุตุงุฆุญ ุงู„ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉ ู„ู„ู‚ุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณูŠูŠู†
28:43
as you would to other types of leaders
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ูƒู…ุง ุชูุนู„ ู„ุฃู†ูˆุงุน ุฃุฎุฑู‰ ู…ู† ุงู„ู‚ุงุฏุฉ
28:46
and what would be your best advice
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ูˆู…ุง ู‡ูŠ ุฃูุถู„ ู†ุตูŠุญุฉ ู„ูƒ
28:49
on how to create cohesive communities
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ุญูˆู„ ูƒูŠููŠุฉ ุฅู†ุดุงุก ู…ุฌุชู…ุนุงุช ู…ุชู…ุงุณูƒุฉ
28:55
in this time of division?
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ููŠ ูˆู‚ุช ุงู„ุงู†ู‚ุณุงู… ู‡ุฐุงุŸ
28:57
AG: I think I'd say both.
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ุขุฏู…: ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ุณุฃู‚ูˆู„ ูƒู„ุงู‡ู…ุง.
28:59
I give some of the same advice,
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ุฃู‚ุฏู… ุจุนุถ ุงู„ู†ุตุงุฆุญ ู†ูุณู‡ุงุŒ
29:00
because I think there are aspects of leadership
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ู„ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุฌูˆุงู†ุจ ู…ู† ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงุฏุฉ ูŠุชู… ุชุนู…ูŠู…ู‡ุง ุจุบุถ ุงู„ู†ุธุฑ
29:02
that generalize regardless of what environment you're in.
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ุนู† ุงู„ุจูŠุฆุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุชูˆุงุฌุฏ ููŠู‡ุง.
29:06
At the end of the day, you have to make good decisions.
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ููŠ ู†ู‡ุงูŠุฉ ุงู„ูŠูˆู…ุŒ ุนู„ูŠูƒ ุงุชุฎุงุฐ ู‚ุฑุงุฑุงุช ุฌูŠุฏุฉ.
29:08
You have to get people to respect your integrity and your competence
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ุนู„ูŠูƒ ุฃู† ุชุฌุนู„ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ูŠุญุชุฑู…ูˆู† ู†ุฒุงู‡ุชูƒ
29:11
and your care and want to follow you.
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ูˆูƒูุงุกุชูƒ ูˆุฑุนุงูŠุชูƒ ูˆูŠุฑูŠุฏูˆู† ู…ุชุงุจุนุชูƒ.
29:13
And so I guess my most basic message to leaders in any environment
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ูˆู„ุฐุง ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุฑุณุงู„ุชูŠ ุงู„ุฃุณุงุณูŠุฉ ู„ู„ู‚ุงุฏุฉ ููŠ ุฃูŠ ุจูŠุฆุฉ
29:16
would be put your mission above your ego.
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ุณุชูƒูˆู† ูˆุถุน ู…ู‡ู…ุชูƒ ููˆู‚ ุบุฑูˆุฑูƒ.
29:18
That's an easy one.
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ู‡ุฐุง ุฃู…ุฑ ุณู‡ู„.
29:21
Things I would say differently to political leaders,
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ุฃุดูŠุงุก ุฃูˆุฏ ุฃู† ุฃู‚ูˆู„ู‡ุง ุจุดูƒู„ ู…ุฎุชู„ู ู„ู„ู‚ุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณูŠูŠู†ุŒ
29:23
although I actually think
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ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฑุบู… ู…ู† ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุจุงู„ูุนู„
29:24
that the business world has become more like this in recent years,
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ุฃู† ุนุงู„ู… ุงู„ุฃุนู…ุงู„ ุฃุตุจุญ ู…ุซู„ ู‡ุฐุง ููŠ ุงู„ุณู†ูˆุงุช ุงู„ุฃุฎูŠุฑุฉุŒ ูŠุฌุจ ุนู„ู‰
29:27
our political leaders have to care a lot more about constituents
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ู‚ุงุฏุชู†ุง ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณูŠูŠู† ุฃู† ูŠู‡ุชู…ูˆุง ูƒุซูŠุฑู‹ุง ุจุงู„ู†ุงุฎุจูŠู†
29:31
and their opinions and their approval ratings.
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ูˆุขุฑุงุฆู‡ู… ูˆู…ุนุฏู„ุงุช ู…ูˆุงูู‚ุชู‡ู….
29:33
And I think that now we're actually seeing
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ูˆุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู†ุง ุงู„ุขู† ู†ุฑู‰ ุจุงู„ูุนู„
29:35
that leaders are facing that kind of pressure in other environments as well.
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ุฃู† ุงู„ู‚ุงุฏุฉ ูŠูˆุงุฌู‡ูˆู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู†ูˆุน ู…ู† ุงู„ุถุบุท ููŠ ุจูŠุฆุงุช ุฃุฎุฑู‰ ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง.
29:40
In terms of your question about how to bring people together
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ููŠู…ุง ูŠุชุนู„ู‚ ุจุณุคุงู„ูƒ ุญูˆู„ ูƒูŠููŠุฉ ุฌู…ุน ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ู…ุนู‹ุง
29:43
and create community,
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ูˆุฅู†ุดุงุก ู…ุฌุชู…ุนุŒ
29:44
I don't think anybody has easy answers.
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ู„ุง ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุฃูŠ ุดุฎุต ู„ุฏูŠู‡ ุฅุฌุงุจุงุช ุณู‡ู„ุฉ.
29:46
And as a social scientist,
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ูˆุจุตูุชูŠ ุนุงู„ู…ุฉ ุงุฌุชู…ุงุนูŠุฉุŒ
29:47
I've been wracking my brain on it for the last few years
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ูƒู†ุช ุฃุณุชุบู„ ุนู‚ู„ูŠ ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ูˆุถูˆุน ููŠ ุงู„ุณู†ูˆุงุช ุงู„ู‚ู„ูŠู„ุฉ ุงู„ู…ุงุถูŠุฉ
29:50
and reading everything I could find.
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ูˆุฃู‚ุฑุฃ ูƒู„ ู…ุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ูŠ ุงู„ุนุซูˆุฑ ุนู„ูŠู‡.
29:52
And I think probably the most useful thing that I've come across
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ูˆุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุงู„ุดูŠุก ุงู„ุฃูƒุซุฑ ูุงุฆุฏุฉ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุตุงุฏูุชู‡
29:55
is a lot of people are very quick to slip into binary bias:
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ู‡ูˆ ุฃู† ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุณุฑูŠุนูˆู† ุฌุฏู‹ุง ููŠ ุงู„ุงู†ุฒู„ุงู‚ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุชุญูŠุฒ ุงู„ุซู†ุงุฆูŠ:
29:59
good versus bad, us versus them.
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ุงู„ุฌูŠุฏ ู…ู‚ุงุจู„ ุงู„ุณูŠุฆุŒ ู†ุญู† ุถุฏู‡ู….
30:01
Pick your least favorite version of it.
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ุงุฎุชุฑ ุงู„ุฅุตุฏุงุฑ ุงู„ุฃู‚ู„ ุชูุถูŠู„ุงู‹ ู…ู†ู‡.
30:04
The way that we normally try to fight that is we try to build up,
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ุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ู†ุญุงูˆู„ ุจู‡ุง ุนุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ู‚ุชุงู„ ู‡ูŠ ุฃู†ู†ุง ู†ุญุงูˆู„ ุจู†ุงุก ุนุจุงุฑุฉ
30:07
"we're good, they're bad."
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ยซู†ุญู† ุฌูŠุฏูˆู†ุŒ ุฅู†ู‡ู… ุณูŠุฆูˆู†ยป.
30:09
And I think a better solution is to say we actually need a door number three.
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ูˆุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุงู„ุญู„ ุงู„ุฃูุถู„ ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ู‚ูˆู„ ุฅู†ู†ุง ู†ุญุชุงุฌ ุจุงู„ูุนู„ ุฅู„ู‰ ุจุงุจ ุฑู‚ู… ุซู„ุงุซุฉ.
30:13
We need to ask, OK, if these two views are dividing people,
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ุนู„ูŠู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ุณุฃู„ุŒ ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู†ุช ู‡ุงุชุงู† ุงู„ุฑุฃูŠุชุงู† ุชู‚ุณู…ุงู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณุŒ
30:17
what's the third point of view
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ูู…ุง ู‡ูŠ ูˆุฌู‡ุฉ ุงู„ู†ุธุฑ ุงู„ุซุงู„ุซุฉ
30:19
that actually the silent majority might hold?
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ู‚ุฏ ุชุชุจู†ุงู‡ุง ุงู„ุฃุบู„ุจูŠุฉ ุงู„ุตุงู…ุชุฉ ุจุงู„ูุนู„ุŸ
30:21
And that seems to me at least to be a good starting point
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ูˆูŠุจุฏูˆ ู„ูŠ ุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃู‚ู„ ู†ู‚ุทุฉ ุงู†ุทู„ุงู‚ ุฌูŠุฏุฉ ู„ู„ุชููƒูŠุฑ ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ.
30:24
for thinking through this.
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30:25
JT: No, listen, I love that.
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ู„ุงุŒ ุงุณู…ุนุŒ ุฃู†ุง ุฃุญุจ ุฐู„ูƒ.
30:27
And I've been reading on a phenomenon
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ูˆู„ู‚ุฏ ู‚ุฑุฃุช ุนู† ุธุงู‡ุฑุฉ ุชู‚ูˆู„
30:29
that says the majority actually starts to think it's in the minority now
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ุฃู† ุงู„ุฃุบู„ุจูŠุฉ ุจุฏุฃุช ุจุงู„ูุนู„ ููŠ ุงู„ุงุนุชู‚ุงุฏ ุจุฃู†ู‡ุง ููŠ ุงู„ุฃู‚ู„ูŠุฉ ุงู„ุขู†
30:33
because those minorities are so loud, you know,
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ู„ุฃู† ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุฃู‚ู„ูŠุงุช ุตุงุฎุจุฉ ุฌุฏู‹ุงุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ
30:36
there's so much noise out there that people start questioning
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ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุถูˆุถุงุก ู„ุฏุฑุฌุฉ ุฃู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ูŠุจุฏุฃูˆู† ููŠ ุงู„ุชุดูƒูŠูƒ
30:39
that goodness and thoughtfulness of the silent majority.
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ููŠ ุตู„ุงุญ ูˆุชููƒูŠุฑ ุงู„ุฃุบู„ุจูŠุฉ ุงู„ุตุงู…ุชุฉ.
30:43
I think I'm someone who got into politics to try and pull people together.
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ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ุดุฎุต ุฏุฎู„ ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณุฉ ู„ู…ุญุงูˆู„ุฉ ุฌู…ุน ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ู…ุนู‹ุง.
30:47
And it is so easy
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ูˆู…ู† ุงู„ุณู‡ู„
30:52
to fall into sort of
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ุฌุฏู‹ุง ุงู„ูˆู‚ูˆุน ููŠ ู†ูˆุน ู…ู† ุงู„ุฎุทุงุจ
30:56
divisive rhetoric
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ุงู„ู…ุซูŠุฑ ู„ู„ุงู†ู‚ุณุงู…
31:00
or ...
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ุฃูˆ...
31:02
or even position.
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ุฃูˆ ุญุชู‰ ุงู„ู…ูˆู‚ู.
31:03
Then you have to be careful with this, too.
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ุซู… ุนู„ูŠูƒ ุชูˆุฎูŠ ุงู„ุญุฐุฑ ู…ุน ู‡ุฐุง ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง.
31:05
I mean, I made the decision early on in my leadership
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ุฃุนู†ูŠุŒ ู„ู‚ุฏ ุงุชุฎุฐุช ุงู„ู‚ุฑุงุฑ ููŠ ูˆู‚ุช ู…ุจูƒุฑ ู…ู† ู‚ูŠุงุฏุชูŠ
31:07
that I was only going to have pro-choice MPs.
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ุจุฃู†ู‡ ุณูŠูƒูˆู† ู„ุฏูŠ ูู‚ุท ู†ูˆุงุจ ู…ุคูŠุฏูˆู† ู„ุญู‚ ุงู„ุงุฎุชูŠุงุฑ.
31:12
That members of Parliament needed to be willing to stand up
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ูˆูŠุญุชุงุฌ ุฃุนุถุงุก ุงู„ุจุฑู„ู…ุงู† ู‡ุคู„ุงุก ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุงุณุชุนุฏุงุฏ ู„ู„ุฏูุงุน
31:15
for a woman's right to choose.
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ุนู† ุญู‚ ุงู„ู…ุฑุฃุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ุงุฎุชูŠุงุฑ.
31:17
And a lot of people accused me of being divisive on that
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ูˆู‚ุฏ ุงุชู‡ู…ู†ูŠ ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุจุงู„ุงู†ู‚ุณุงู… ุญูˆู„ ุฐู„ูƒ
31:20
because I was excluding, you know,
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ู„ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ูƒู†ุช ุฃุณุชุจุนุฏุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ
31:23
parts of the population from being able to run for our party.
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ุฃุฌุฒุงุก ู…ู† ุงู„ุณูƒุงู† ู…ู† ุงู„ู‚ุฏุฑุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุชุฑุดุญ ู„ุญุฒุจู†ุง.
31:26
And traditionally our party had had both sides of that debate,
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ูˆุชู‚ู„ูŠุฏูŠู‹ุงุŒ ูƒุงู† ู„ุญุฒุจู†ุง ูƒู„ุง ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจูŠู† ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู†ู‚ุงุดุŒ
31:30
both pro-choice and anti-choice.
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ุณูˆุงุก ูƒุงู† ู…ุคูŠุฏู‹ุง ู„ู„ุงุฎุชูŠุงุฑ ุฃูˆ ู…ู†ุงู‡ุถู‹ุง ู„ู„ุงุฎุชูŠุงุฑ.
31:32
And that is a position that,
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ู…ูˆู‚ูุŒ
31:34
on the one hand, is somewhat divisive, right?
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ู…ู† ู†ุงุญูŠุฉุŒ ู…ุซูŠุฑ ู„ู„ุงู†ู‚ุณุงู… ุฅู„ู‰ ุญุฏ ู…ุงุŒ ุฃู„ูŠุณ ูƒุฐู„ูƒุŸ
31:37
Because I am saying, no,
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ู„ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ุฃู‚ูˆู„ุŒ ู„ุงุŒ ู„ุง ูŠุญู‚
31:39
you don't get to take away a woman's right to choose.
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ู„ูƒ ุฃู† ุชุณู„ุจ ุญู‚ ุงู„ู…ุฑุฃุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ุงุฎุชูŠุงุฑ.
31:43
But at the same time, it's one that I believe
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ููŠ ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช ู†ูุณู‡ุŒ ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ
31:46
is the right position in absolute terms.
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ุฃู†ู‡ ุงู„ู…ูˆู‚ู ุงู„ุตุญูŠุญ ู…ู† ุญูŠุซ ุงู„ู‚ูŠู…ุฉ ุงู„ู…ุทู„ู‚ุฉ.
31:50
It's empowering an individual woman to make whatever choice she wants.
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ุฅู†ู‡ ูŠู…ูƒู‘ู† ุงู„ู…ุฑุฃุฉ ุงู„ูุฑุฏูŠุฉ ู…ู† ุงุชุฎุงุฐ ุฃูŠ ุฎูŠุงุฑ ุชุฑูŠุฏู‡.
31:54
If she wants to be anti-abortion, she can do that.
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ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู†ุช ุชุฑูŠุฏ ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู† ู…ู†ุงู‡ุถุฉ ู„ู„ุฅุฌู‡ุงุถุŒ ููŠู…ูƒู†ู‡ุง ูุนู„ ุฐู„ูƒ.
31:57
If she wants to start a family, like, she gets that choice.
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ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู†ุช ุชุฑุบุจ ููŠ ุชูƒูˆูŠู† ุฃุณุฑุฉุŒ ูู„ุฏูŠู‡ุง ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฎูŠุงุฑ.
32:00
But it's portrayed as a binary situation
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ุชู… ุชุตูˆูŠุฑู‡ ุนู„ู‰
32:04
that has caused me to really think about the nature
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ุฃู†ู‡ ู…ูˆู‚ู ุซู†ุงุฆูŠ ุฌุนู„ู†ูŠ ุฃููƒุฑ ุญู‚ู‹ุง ููŠ
32:08
of you know, taking a clear position on a thorny issue
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ุทุจูŠุนุฉ ู…ุง ุชุนุฑูู‡ุŒ ูˆุงุชุฎุงุฐ ู…ูˆู‚ู ูˆุงุถุญ ุจุดุฃู† ู‚ุถูŠุฉ ุดุงุฆูƒุฉ
32:12
versus trying to accommodate as many different viewpoints.
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ู…ู‚ุงุจู„ ู…ุญุงูˆู„ุฉ ุงุณุชูŠุนุงุจ ุฃูƒุจุฑ ุนุฏุฏ ู…ู…ูƒู† ู…ู† ูˆุฌู‡ุงุช ุงู„ู†ุธุฑ ุงู„ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉ.
32:15
And obviously, in many situations, you want to bring people together
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ูˆู…ู† ุงู„ูˆุงุถุญุŒ ููŠ ุงู„ุนุฏูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ูˆุงู‚ูุŒ ุฃู†ูƒ ุชุฑูŠุฏ ุฌู…ุน ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ู…ุนู‹ุง
32:18
on, you know, protecting the environment is good.
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ุจุดุฃู†ุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ุญู…ุงูŠุฉ ุงู„ุจูŠุฆุฉ ุฃู…ุฑ ุฌูŠุฏ.
32:21
And, you know, growing the society for everyone is good.
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ูˆูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ูุฅู† ุชู†ู…ูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ุฌุชู…ุน ู„ู„ุฌู…ูŠุน ุฃู…ุฑ ุฌูŠุฏ.
32:24
But sometimes there are sharp lines to be drawn.
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ููŠ ุจุนุถ ุงู„ุฃุญูŠุงู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุฎุทูˆุท ุญุงุฏุฉ ูŠุฌุจ ุฑุณู…ู‡ุง.
32:28
And navigating the difference in those moments
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ูˆุงู„ุชุบู„ุจ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุงุฎุชู„ุงู ููŠ ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ู„ุญุธุงุช
32:32
is something that is fraught with extra peril
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ุฃู…ุฑ ู…ุญููˆู ุจู…ุฎุงุทุฑ ุฅุถุงููŠุฉ
32:35
in a time of polarization
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ููŠ ุฒู…ู† ุงู„ุงุณุชู‚ุทุงุจ
32:38
and such amplification of divisions online.
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ูˆุชุถุฎูŠู… ุงู„ุงู†ู‚ุณุงู…ุงุช ุนุจุฑ ุงู„ุฅู†ุชุฑู†ุช.
32:42
AG: When you navigate these kinds of decisions now with your team,
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ุขุฏู…: ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุชุชุนุงู…ู„ ู…ุน ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุฃู†ูˆุงุน ู…ู† ุงู„ู‚ุฑุงุฑุงุช ุงู„ุขู† ู…ุน ูุฑูŠู‚ูƒุŒ
32:46
how do you actually go about thinking through the different options?
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ูƒูŠู ุชููƒุฑ ูุนู„ูŠู‹ุง ููŠ ุงู„ุฎูŠุงุฑุงุช ุงู„ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉุŸ
32:49
What does your decision process actually look like?
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ูƒูŠู ุชุจุฏูˆ ุนู…ู„ูŠุฉ ุงุชุฎุงุฐ ุงู„ู‚ุฑุงุฑ ุงู„ุฎุงุตุฉ ุจูƒ ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุนุŸ
32:51
JT: Well, I try to anchor myself in trying to find out
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ุฃุญุงูˆู„ ุชุฑุณูŠุฎ ู†ูุณูŠ ููŠ ู…ุญุงูˆู„ุฉ
32:54
what the actual right decision is, first and foremost.
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ู…ุนุฑูุฉ ุงู„ู‚ุฑุงุฑ ุงู„ุตุญูŠุญ ุงู„ูุนู„ูŠุŒ ุฃูˆู„ุงู‹ ูˆู‚ุจู„ ูƒู„ ุดูŠุก.
32:57
What is the best science
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ู…ุง ู‡ูˆ ุฃูุถู„ ุนู„ู…
33:00
or the most up-to-date science on it?
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ุฃูˆ ุฃุญุฏุซ ุงู„ุนู„ูˆู… ููŠู‡ุŸ
33:01
What is the consensus?
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ู…ุง ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุฅุฌู…ุงุนุŸ
33:03
What are the experts saying?
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ู…ุงุฐุง ูŠู‚ูˆู„ ุงู„ุฎุจุฑุงุกุŸ
33:04
Can we find experts to disagree with each other
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ู‡ู„ ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ุฌุฏ ุฎุจุฑุงุก ูŠุฎุชู„ููˆู† ู…ุน ุจุนุถู‡ู… ุงู„ุจุนุถ
33:07
and try and pull from them their points of disagreement,
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ูˆู†ุญุงูˆู„ ุงุณุชุฎู„ุงุต ู†ู‚ุงุท ุฎู„ุงูู‡ู… ู…ู†ู‡ู…ุŒ
33:09
to find if there is a position
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ู„ู…ุนุฑูุฉ ู…ุง ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู…ูˆู‚ู
33:12
that actually you can build some sort of consensus around.
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ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ุจุงู„ูุนู„ ุจู†ุงุก ู†ูˆุน ู…ู† ุงู„ุฅุฌู…ุงุน ุญูˆู„ู‡.
33:16
And then you look at, OK,
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ุซู… ุชู†ุธุฑ ุฅู„ู‰ุŒ ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ
33:19
now that we know what the optimal answer is,
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ุงู„ุขู† ุจุนุฏ ุฃู† ุนุฑูู†ุง ู…ุง ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุฅุฌุงุจุฉ ุงู„ู…ุซู„ู‰ุŒ
33:24
does this fit in with both where people are
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ู‡ู„ ูŠุชู†ุงุณุจ ู‡ุฐุง ู…ุน ูƒู„ ู…ู† ู…ูƒุงู† ูˆุฌูˆุฏ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ
33:28
and where people are willing to go?
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ูˆุฃูŠู† ูŠุฑุบุจ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ููŠ ุงู„ุฐู‡ุงุจุŸ
33:30
And, you know, does it fit into the rest of what we're doing?
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ูˆูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ู‡ู„ ูŠุชู†ุงุณุจ ุฐู„ูƒ ู…ุน ุจู‚ูŠุฉ ู…ุง ู†ู‚ูˆู… ุจู‡ุŸ
33:33
Because, you know, you could have the absolute right answer
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ู„ุฃู†ู‡ุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ู„ุฏูŠูƒ ุงู„ุฅุฌุงุจุฉ ุงู„ุตุญูŠุญุฉ ุงู„ู…ุทู„ู‚ุฉ
33:35
for something that is, yes, the absolute intellectually,
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ู„ุดูŠุก ู‡ูˆุŒ ู†ุนู…ุŒ ุฃูุถู„ ุญู„ ููƒุฑูŠ
33:38
academically, best solution for a given problem.
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ูˆุฃูƒุงุฏูŠู…ูŠ ู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ ู…ุนูŠู†ุฉ.
33:41
But if you look at it and say,
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ุฅุฐุง ู†ุธุฑุช ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ูˆู‚ู„ุชุŒ
33:43
but Canadians won't be able to support it,
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ู„ูƒู† ุงู„ูƒู†ุฏูŠูŠู† ู„ู† ูŠูƒูˆู†ูˆุง ู‚ุงุฏุฑูŠู† ุนู„ู‰ ุฏุนู…ู‡ุŒ
33:46
it's too much of a step, it's too much of a leap,
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ุฅู†ู‡ุง ุฎุทูˆุฉ ุฃูƒุซุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ู„ุงุฒู…ุŒ ุฅู†ู‡ุง ู‚ูุฒุฉ ูƒุจูŠุฑุฉ ุฌุฏู‹ุงุŒ
33:49
then can you figure out a half-measure that nudges us in the right direction?
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ุซู… ู‡ู„ ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ู…ุนุฑูุฉ ู†ุตู ุฅุฌุฑุงุก ูŠุฏูุนู†ุง ููŠ ุงู„ุงุชุฌุงู‡ ุงู„ุตุญูŠุญุŸ
33:52
So next year or next mandate or next leader
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ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ููŠ ุงู„ุนุงู… ุงู„ู…ู‚ุจู„ ุฃูˆ ุงู„ูˆู„ุงูŠุฉ ุงู„ุชุงู„ูŠุฉ ุฃูˆ ุงู„ุฒุนูŠู… ุงู„ุชุงู„ูŠ
33:56
or next prime minister can complete that work.
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ุฃูˆ ุฑุฆูŠุณ ุงู„ูˆุฒุฑุงุก ุงู„ู‚ุงุฏู… ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ูŠูƒู…ู„ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุนู…ู„.
33:59
And that's the art of the possible.
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ู‡ูˆ ูู† ุงู„ู…ู…ูƒู†.
34:03
One of my favorite prime ministers,
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ูƒุงู† ูˆูŠู„ูุฑูŠุฏ ู„ูˆุฑูŠูŠู‡ ุฃุญุฏ ุฑุคุณุงุก ุงู„ูˆุฒุฑุงุก ุงู„ู…ูุถู„ูŠู† ู„ุฏูŠุŒ
34:08
other than my dad, was Wilfrid Laurier.
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ุจุฎู„ุงู ูˆุงู„ุฏูŠ.
34:10
He was turn of the century.
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ู„ู‚ุฏ ูƒุงู† ู…ุทู„ุน ุงู„ู‚ุฑู†.
34:12
He was a French Canadian, our first French Canadian prime minister
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ูƒุงู† ูƒู†ุฏูŠู‹ุง ูุฑู†ุณูŠู‹ุงุŒ ูˆูƒุงู† ุฃูˆู„ ุฑุฆูŠุณ ูˆุฒุฑุงุก ูƒู†ุฏูŠ ูุฑู†ุณูŠ
34:15
ruling over a majority English Canada.
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ูŠุญูƒู… ูƒู†ุฏุง ุฐุงุช ุงู„ุฃุบู„ุจูŠุฉ ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ.
34:19
And he understood the need not to just anchor in your own identity
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ูˆู‚ุฏ ูู‡ู… ุงู„ุญุงุฌุฉ ุฅู„ู‰ ุนุฏู… ู…ุฌุฑุฏ ุชุฑุณูŠุฎ ู‡ูˆูŠุชูƒ
34:24
and be unflinching on it.
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ุงู„ุฎุงุตุฉ ูˆุนุฏู… ุงู„ุชุฑุฏุฏ ููŠู‡ุง.
34:25
But that political courage actually sometimes involves
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ู„ูƒู† ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุดุฌุงุนุฉ ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณูŠุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน ุชู†ุทูˆูŠ
34:28
and usually involves compromise and putting water in your wine
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ุฃุญูŠุงู†ู‹ุง ูˆุนุงุฏุฉ ู…ุง ุชู†ุทูˆูŠ ุนู„ู‰ ุญู„ ูˆุณุท ูˆูˆุถุน ุงู„ู…ุงุก ููŠ ุงู„ู†ุจูŠุฐ ุงู„ุฎุงุต ุจูƒ
34:32
and finding common ground
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ูˆุฅูŠุฌุงุฏ ุฃุฑุถูŠุฉ ู…ุดุชุฑูƒุฉ ูˆุงู„ุฌู…ุน ุจูŠู† ุฑุคูŠุฉ ู…ุชู…ุงุณูƒุฉ ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ุง ุฌู…ูŠุนู‹ุง ุงู„ูˆู‚ูˆู ูˆุฑุงุกู‡ุงุŒ
34:33
and bringing together a cohesive vision that we can all get behind,
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34:37
even if it's not optimal for either side.
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ุญุชู‰ ู„ูˆ ู„ู… ุชูƒู† ู…ุซุงู„ูŠุฉ ู„ุฃูŠ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจูŠู†.
34:41
And that idea
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ูˆููƒุฑุฉ
34:42
of trying to find the best way to come together in our differences,
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ู…ุญุงูˆู„ุฉ ุฅูŠุฌุงุฏ ุฃูุถู„ ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ู„ู„ุงู„ุชู‚ุงุก ููŠ ุฎู„ุงูุงุชู†ุงุŒ ูˆุงู„ุงุชูุงู‚ ุนู„ู‰ ู…ุณุงุฑ
34:47
to agree on a path forward,
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ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃู…ุงู…ุŒ
34:50
continues to be the elusive goal of Canadian politics.
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ู„ุง ุชุฒุงู„ ุงู„ู‡ุฏู ุจุนูŠุฏ ุงู„ู…ู†ุงู„ ู„ู„ุณูŠุงุณุฉ ุงู„ูƒู†ุฏูŠุฉ.
34:53
AG: That's a nice challenge, actually, to rethink compromise.
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ุขุฏู…: ู‡ุฐุง ุชุญุฏู ุฑุงุฆุนุŒ ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุนุŒ ู„ุฅุนุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ุชููƒูŠุฑ ููŠ ุงู„ุญู„ ุงู„ูˆุณุท.
34:56
I've long been allergic to it
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ู„ุทุงู„ู…ุง ูƒู†ุช ุฃุนุงู†ูŠ ู…ู† ุญุณุงุณูŠุฉ ุชุฌุงู‡ู‡
34:57
because it seems like both people are leaving unhappy.
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ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ูŠุจุฏูˆ ุฃู† ูƒู„ุง ุงู„ุดุฎุตูŠู† ูŠุบุงุฏุฑุงู† ุบูŠุฑ ุณุนุฏุงุก.
35:00
But I think what you're saying is that you actually care
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ู„ูƒู†ู†ูŠ ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ู…ุง ุชู‚ูˆู„ู‡ ู‡ูˆ ุฃู†ูƒ
35:02
about the other person's happiness, too.
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ุชู‡ุชู… ุญู‚ู‹ุง ุจุณุนุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ุดุฎุต ุงู„ุขุฎุฑ ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง.
35:04
JT: Well, politics shouldn't be win-lose because fundamentally,
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ู„ุง ูŠู†ุจุบูŠ ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู† ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณุฉ ููˆุฒ ุฃูˆ ุฎุณุงุฑุฉ
ู„ุฃู†ู†ุง ููŠ ุงู„ุฃุณุงุณ ู†ุชูู‚ ุฌู…ูŠุนู‹ุง ุนู„ู‰ ู†ูุณ ุงู„ุฃุดูŠุงุก.
35:09
we all sort of agree on the same things.
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35:11
People should have good jobs and give meaning to their lives.
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ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ูŠุชู…ุชุน ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุจูˆุธุงุฆู ุฌูŠุฏุฉ ูˆุฃู† ูŠุนุทูˆุง ู…ุนู†ู‰ ู„ุญูŠุงุชู‡ู….
35:14
They should have opportunities to advance.
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ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ุชุชุงุญ ู„ู‡ู… ูุฑุต ู„ู„ุชู‚ุฏู….
35:16
They should have a clean environment.
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ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ู„ุฏูŠู‡ู… ุจูŠุฆุฉ ู†ุธูŠูุฉ.
35:18
Everyone should have a chance to succeed.
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ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ูŠุญุตู„ ุงู„ุฌู…ูŠุน ุนู„ู‰ ูุฑุตุฉ ู„ู„ู†ุฌุงุญ.
35:20
We should be, you know, not at war with neighbors
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ูŠุฌุจ ุนู„ูŠู†ุงุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ุฃู„ุง ู†ูƒูˆู† ููŠ ุญุงู„ุฉ ุญุฑุจ ู…ุน ุงู„ุฌูŠุฑุงู†
35:23
or people on the other side of the world.
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ุฃูˆ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจ ุงู„ุขุฎุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุนุงู„ู….
35:25
Everyone sort of knows what the ideals are.
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ุงู„ุฌู…ูŠุน ูŠุนุฑู ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ุง ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ู…ุซู„ ุงู„ุนู„ูŠุง.
35:27
Lots of disagreements about how to best organize ourselves to get there.
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ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฎู„ุงูุงุช ุญูˆู„ ุฃูุถู„ ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ู„ุชู†ุธูŠู… ุฃู†ูุณู†ุง ู„ู„ูˆุตูˆู„ ุฅู„ู‰ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ.
35:32
But the more you can get down to those basic principles
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ูƒู„ู…ุง ุงุณุชุทุนุช ุงู„ูˆุตูˆู„ ุฅู„ู‰ ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ู…ุจุงุฏุฆ
35:35
of let's try and figure this out together,
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ุงู„ุฃุณุงุณูŠุฉ ุฏุนูˆู†ุง ู†ุญุงูˆู„ ู…ุนุฑูุฉ ุฐู„ูƒ ู…ุนู‹ุงุŒ
35:38
and can we find a way that nudges us forward in a meaningful way,
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ูˆู‡ู„ ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ุง ุฅูŠุฌุงุฏ ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุชุฏูุนู†ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃู…ุงู… ุจุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ู‡ุงุฏูุฉุŒ
35:44
well, that does require finding that middle ground,
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ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ู‡ุฐุง ูŠุชุทู„ุจ ุฅูŠุฌุงุฏ ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุฃุฑุถูŠุฉ ุงู„ูˆุณุทู‰ุŒ
35:48
that common ground.
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ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุฃุฑุถูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ุดุชุฑูƒุฉ.
35:49
AG: I feel like most of the time we get asked,
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ุขุฏู…: ุฃุดุนุฑ ุฃู†ู‡ ููŠ ู…ุนุธู… ุงู„ุฃูˆู‚ุงุช ูŠุชู… ุณุคุงู„ู†ุงุŒ
ู…ุง ุงู„ู†ุตูŠุญุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุณุชู‚ุฏู…ู‡ุง ู„ู†ูุณูƒ ุงู„ุฃุตุบุฑ ุณู†ู‹ุงุŸ
35:51
what's the advice you would give to your younger self?
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ู„ูƒู†ูŠ ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ุฃู† ุฃุนูƒุณ ุงู„ุณุคุงู„ ูˆุฃู‚ูˆู„ุŒ
35:54
But I want to flip the question and say,
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ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู† ุจุฅู…ูƒุงู†ูƒ ุชู‚ุฏูŠู… ุงู„ู…ุดูˆุฑุฉ ู„ุฑุฆูŠุณ ุงู„ูˆุฒุฑุงุก ุชุฑูˆุฏูˆ
35:56
if you can give advice to Prime Minister Trudeau
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35:58
a year or a decade down the road,
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ุจุนุฏ ุนุงู… ุฃูˆ ุนู‚ุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฒู…ู†ุŒ
36:00
what guidance would you give to the wiser, older version of you?
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ูู…ุง ุงู„ุชูˆุฌูŠู‡ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุณุชุนุทูŠู‡ ู„ู„ู†ุณุฎุฉ ุงุฃูƒุจุฑ ูˆุงู„ุฃูƒุซุฑ ุญูƒู…ุฉ ู…ู†ูƒุŸ
36:11
JT: Be ...
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ูƒู†...
36:15
Be patient with yourself.
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ูƒู† ุตุจูˆุฑู‹ุง ู…ุน ู†ูุณูƒ.
36:17
Allow that sometimes it takes time to get to the right answer.
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ุงุณู…ุญ ุฃุญูŠุงู†ู‹ุง ุฃู† ูŠุณุชุบุฑู‚ ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ูˆู‚ุชู‹ุง ู„ู„ูˆุตูˆู„ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฅุฌุงุจุฉ ุงู„ุตุญูŠุญุฉ.
36:23
And "perfect is the enemy of the good"
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ูˆ ยซุงู„ูƒู…ุงู„ ู‡ูˆ ุนุฏูˆ ุงู„ุฎูŠุฑยป
36:26
matters as a principle.
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ู…ู‡ู… ูƒู…ุจุฏุฃ.
36:28
That taking meaningful steps forward
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ุฅู† ุงุชุฎุงุฐ ุฎุทูˆุงุช ุฐุงุช ู…ุบุฒู‰ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃู…ุงู…
36:32
are sometimes more transformative and lasting
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ูŠูƒูˆู† ุฃุญูŠุงู†ู‹ุง ุฃูƒุซุฑ ุชุญูˆูŠู„ู‹ุง ูˆุฏุงุฆู…ู‹ุง
36:37
than trying to change everything all at once.
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ู…ู† ู…ุญุงูˆู„ุฉ ุชุบูŠูŠุฑ ูƒู„ ุดูŠุก ุฏูุนุฉ ูˆุงุญุฏุฉ.
36:40
AG: Thank you.
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ุขุฏู…: ุดูƒุฑุง ู„ูƒ.
36:42
JT: What a great conversation, thank you, Adam.
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ุฌุงุณุชู†: ูŠุง ู„ู‡ุง ู…ู† ู…ุญุงุฏุซุฉ ุฑุงุฆุนุฉุŒ ุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒ ูŠุง ุขุฏู….
ุญูˆู„ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ูˆู‚ุน

ุณูŠู‚ุฏู… ู„ูƒ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ูˆู‚ุน ู…ู‚ุงุทุน ููŠุฏูŠูˆ YouTube ุงู„ู…ููŠุฏุฉ ู„ุชุนู„ู… ุงู„ู„ุบุฉ ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ. ุณุชุฑู‰ ุฏุฑูˆุณ ุงู„ู„ุบุฉ ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ูŠุชู… ุชุฏุฑูŠุณู‡ุง ู…ู† ู‚ุจู„ ู…ุฏุฑุณูŠู† ู…ู† ุงู„ุฏุฑุฌุฉ ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ู‰ ู…ู† ุฌู…ูŠุน ุฃู†ุญุงุก ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…. ุงู†ู‚ุฑ ู†ู‚ุฑู‹ุง ู…ุฒุฏูˆุฌู‹ุง ููˆู‚ ุงู„ุชุฑุฌู…ุฉ ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ุนุฑูˆุถุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ูƒู„ ุตูุญุฉ ููŠุฏูŠูˆ ู„ุชุดุบูŠู„ ุงู„ููŠุฏูŠูˆ ู…ู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ. ูŠุชู… ุชู…ุฑูŠุฑ ุงู„ุชุฑุฌู…ุงุช ุจุงู„ุชุฒุงู…ู† ู…ุน ุชุดุบูŠู„ ุงู„ููŠุฏูŠูˆ. ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู† ู„ุฏูŠูƒ ุฃูŠ ุชุนู„ูŠู‚ุงุช ุฃูˆ ุทู„ุจุงุช ุŒ ูŠุฑุฌู‰ ุงู„ุงุชุตุงู„ ุจู†ุง ุจุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู… ู†ู…ูˆุฐุฌ ุงู„ุงุชุตุงู„ ู‡ุฐุง.

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