Leadership Lessons From the Prime Minister of Canada | Justin Trudeau | TED

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Adam Grant: I'm actually curious about this idea of putting people at ease.
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How do you think about doing that when you show up?
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Justin Trudeau: I don't, I don't think about it.
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Being able to just try and get through people's preconceived notions
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or expectations or nervousness
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to try and have a real conversation as quickly as possible
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is just something that I guess ...
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I guess I learned how to try to do throughout my life.
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Talking about the weather always sort of bored me,
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but actually having real conversations about things that matter
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was what I always wanted to do whenever I'd meet anyone.
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And people would come at me with a certain amount of preconceptions
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because my father was prime minister
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and there's a known factor around me
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that getting them to a place
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where they could actually be comfortable in being themselves
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quickly became something that I wanted to see and do
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in all my interactions.
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AG: Mission accomplished.
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JT: There you go.
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AG: This is something of the family business.
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You got to see the Prime Minister job up close long before you took it.
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What surprised you the most that you didn't expect?
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JT: Yeah, my first 13 years of life growing up with my dad in this role
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was the international summits, was the speeches,
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was the people coming up to him in restaurants
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for the rest of his life saying,
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"Thank you for doing this." "Thank you for doing that."
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And it was always the big things.
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The little things were the things I didn't see as a kid that really matter.
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When I first got elected, I wasn't leader,
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I wasn't even on the government side.
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I was just a simple backbench MP
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discovering the ways in which being a community's representative,
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being their voice here in Ottawa,
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being in service of people,
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even if you're not in government, even if you're not in charge,
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actually makes a difference.
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And discovering that
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made this job a lot more like what I knew professionally,
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which was being a teacher.
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It's those little moments,
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those engagements, that explaining things,
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empowering people that was key for me.
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AG: So it almost sounds like there are aspects of the job
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that are better than you expected.
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JT: As a little kid, you know, I wanted to, I guess,
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either be a fireman or an astronaut or a prime minister like my dad.
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But, you know, they were all unreal.
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And then I went through a long stretch of not wanting to go into politics
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because I knew how different I was from my father,
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and he was a very successful prime minister.
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And it wasn't until later that I realized that there was a path
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through being a teacher, around process, around people,
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around connection with people.
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It was very different than my father's more intellectual approach to politics.
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AG: How do you deal with the fact that no matter what you do at work,
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millions of people are going to disapprove of your decisions
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and probably dislike you as a person?
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JT: First of all, I mean,
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the line is, no matter what you're doing, you know,
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30 percent like you, 30 percent hate you,
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40 percent are completely indifferent to the fact that you even exist, right?
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I mean, you don't get into this job because you want to be popular
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or you want to be liked, or if you do,
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you're in for a rude awakening
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because that's not what this job is all about.
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That's not what this life is all about.
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This is about service.
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This is about feeling you can actually make a difference
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that is meaningful in people's lives,
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in the direction of the country,
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in how your country has an impact on the world.
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The fact that there are people who approve of what I'm doing,
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there are people who disapprove of what I'm doing
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is all par for the course.
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And if nobody had any opinion on me, positive or negative,
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it would be that I wasn't doing anything consequential.
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So you do need to have a little bit of pushback if I'm, you know,
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raising taxes on the wealthiest as I am right now.
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If they weren't pushing back, I'd say, OK,
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maybe I'm not doing it enough.
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But the other piece, on a personal level,
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I was about seven years old the first time I remember
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some kid coming up to me in the schoolyard and saying,
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"My parents didn't vote for your dad.
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So I don't like you."
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And I had to sort of adjust to the fact that that had nothing to do with me,
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who I was.
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It was everything to do with external perceptions
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and everything to do with them and I had to learn to put that aside.
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But then a few years later,
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as I got a little more active at going with my dad to different places,
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I'd go to these rallies where everybody loved him
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and therefore everybody loved me.
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And I also had to learn to put that aside, that it was no realer.
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The people who loved me automatically
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than the people who disliked me automatically.
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And getting a really strong sense of self and being able,
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when you get criticisms or congratulations,
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to reach below the emotions of that and say, OK, well,
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what is the nugget of useful criticism that I can actually take constructively,
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even if it's not meant that way in the slightest?
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Did I really go a little too far here,
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or did I really not take into account the concerns of this community there?
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Well, certainly reasonable criticism out there,
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whether it's constructive or not, you can find that.
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And similarly, if people say, "Oh, you're awesome,"
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Why exactly?
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Is it just how it makes you feel?
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So being able to sort of detach yourself from people's perceptions of you
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is really, really important in a job that is, you know,
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requires a certain amount of popularity for people to vote for you,
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but you cannot allow that to drive you or even define you.
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AG: What do you say to yourself
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when the criticism feels particularly painful?
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Is it just, "Well, that's my avatar they're reacting to, it's not me?"
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JT: More recently, when I see people, you know,
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really over the top in the kind of the hatred and polarization
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and toxicity that is just par for the course
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in so many democracies now,
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my instant pivot is, OK
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so what happened in their lives to lead them to that place?
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I try to go for a place of empathy, of, well, what can I do,
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even if they'll never give me credit for it
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to make sure that their life is less bad?
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And sometimes I can't imagine how to do it.
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But other times, like I have to go to a place of reminding myself
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and it's not hard because it’s in me.
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I'm the prime minister of 40 million Canadians,
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not just the millions who voted for me.
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I'm for everyone.
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And therefore, no matter how much they dislike me,
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I still have to try and think about what I can do
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to make sure that them or their kids or their community is doing better.
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And that exercise sort of detaches a little bit
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from what their actual opinion is of me.
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It gets harder when it goes to my family or some of my team members,
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where I'm not as able to detach it, because that's, you know,
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you're coming after my people.
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Come after me all you're like, I put my name on a sign,
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I'm standing here for election, I'm doing it.
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I'm welcoming it.
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But for others, it makes it harder.
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AG: Now I'm curious about just the confidence it takes
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to want to do this job in the first place.
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It used to seem to me to be something that required
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an unusual level of ambition,
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maybe even arrogance or narcissism, some would say.
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And then over time, I've started to see
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you just have to think that you could do this job better
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than the other viable candidates.
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You don't have to think that you're capable of doing a perfect job
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running one of the most powerful countries on earth.
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How do you think about that tightrope?
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JT: I guess it's not something I think about too much now,
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because I spent so much time thinking about it over the years.
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I only saw myself getting into politics,
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you know, when I was younger, I thought,
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OK, maybe I do politics one day,
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but it'd be much later,
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once I've gotten out from under the weight of my last name
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and historical expectations.
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And, you know, once I've proven myself in business or written a few books
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or started a school or done things that are really meaningful,
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and then I can go in on my first name.
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But in my 30s, I was very much a youth activist.
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I was doing environmental stuff.
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I was a teacher through my 20s.
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And I learned from working with young people,
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who had no connection to my father,
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that I had things worth saying.
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And as I sort of got, you know, pulled in, a little bit indirectly,
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into partisan politics,
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I realized, I'm actually good at the things my dad wasn't great at,
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which is the campaigning, the handshaking, everything.
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I learned that it was very much my maternal grandfather's side,
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who was, Jimmy Sinclair, was a great retail politician, he loved it.
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As I discovered that I was good at pulling people together
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and mobilizing them and organizing and inspiring
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and building a great team,
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I got more and more into politics
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and every step of the way,
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I was somewhat hesitant to take the next step.
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My father's party, the Liberal Party, reached a total nadir,
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like, we were down to 35 seats in the 300-plus seat House.
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We were on our way to oblivion when I came in as leader,
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and it was an opportunity to rebuild from scratch.
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But then as I looked around at who else could be leader,
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I realized, oh wait, nobody gets how hard the work is going to be
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or the work that needs to be done,
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and I can sort of see that clearly.
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So I'm sort of going to be the one who does it,
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because it's going to take an incredible amount of work
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that I think I can do better than others.
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And turns out, I was pretty good at it
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in terms of rebuilding the party.
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AG: You mentioned feeling hesitant to take a leadership role.
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Some of our PhD students at Wharton have shown that a feeling of reluctance,
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of saying, "I'm not sure if I want this"
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actually can lead to more effective behavior
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when you're at the helm,
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because you don't think you know all the answers.
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You don't think you have to make every decision yourself,
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and it may actually lead you to empower other people more
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to learn from other people around you.
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JT: Oh, yeah, no, absolutely.
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Being a good leader,
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if I was going to be any good in this job,
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I had to bring around the most brilliant,
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successful, smartest, most driven people I possibly could to build the team.
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And I sort of understand that I come to it
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with an ability to bring people together
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and mobilize them and create a big vision.
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But leadership for me was never
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about being the one at the top of the pyramid,
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you know, barking out orders.
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A good leader is someone who's figuring out
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how every member of the team can be at peak performance
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in the most important moments,
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and that idea of lifting up everyone around you
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is the way I sort of fell into this leadership role.
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AG: One of the risks of surrounding yourself
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with people you think are smarter than you
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is that sometimes you feel like an impostor and you wonder,
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do I really belong here?
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Has that affected you over the last eight years at all?
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JT: I was very aware of the impostor syndrome all my life.
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As a teacher, I kept waiting for someone to knock on the door
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and say, "This was a terrible mistake, we're pulling you."
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Or any time I was giving a speech on environmental responsibility,
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I was expecting someone,
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"You never actually finished your graduate studies in environmental geography.
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What are you doing?"
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I was very aware of that.
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The first day I walked onto Parliament Hill as an elected MP,
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after what was a very tough election for our party,
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but it was good for me in 2008,
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I searched for that impostor syndrome.
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I said, OK, here it's going to come.
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And it wasn't there.
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And for the first time in my life,
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and I think it was because I worked so hard on the ground for the two years
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to sort of overcome people's name recognition expectations of me,
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like, all my opponents then and pretty much since,
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have said, "Oh, it's just an accident of history
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that he's in the role he is.
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He's expecting everyone to vote for him because of his last name.
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And that'll catch up with him sooner or later."
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Or, “He won’t get elected the first time.”
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And I worked the ground,
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I went door to door right across the district.
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I got to all the different community organizations,
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and I earned their support in that election.
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And people actually came out,
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put a little X beside my name and said,
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"No, we definitely want you to go."
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And I'm like, OK.
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People actually chose me through a process of saying,
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we're trusting you to be our voice in Ottawa,
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and we're making that choice deliberately.
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And I'd also run in a very authentic way about who I was and what I was.
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And I felt that people knew what they were getting
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when they voted for me in my district.
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And so I didn't feel that impostor syndrome,
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and I haven't since.
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I keep saying, look, I will continue to serve.
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I'll continue to do the best I can
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and try to do it in as authentic a way as possible,
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way that is true to me with all the strengths and flaws
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that I have as any individual does.
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AG: Well, what you're describing
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tracks with the evidence of impostor thoughts --
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JT: I'm so glad to hear that.
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AG You would otherwise have to change the way that you think.
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JT: Because that's what psychologists do so well,
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they make people change the way they think.
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AG: We do that for a living and it always works.
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JT: You're so successful, exactly, exactly.
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AG: Thank you for respecting my profession
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every bit as much as I admire yours, Prime Minister.
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I think that, in all seriousness,
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one of the surprising benefits of those impostor thoughts
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is they create a gap between what you think other people expect of you
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and what you feel capable of.
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And that leaves you motivated to close the gap, which you did.
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Do you ever worry that not feeling like an impostor makes you complacent?
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JT: No. There's no ability to be complacent in this job.
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Not when you're still charged up about it.
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The challenges, particularly in this time,
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that continue to get thrown at us,
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all the range of crises that are hitting right now all around the world,
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our democracies, but also our countries,
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combined with all the steady progressive work
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that we need to do of, you know, lifting kids out of poverty
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and helping with 10-dollar-a-day child care
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and delivering the fight against climate change
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and creating good jobs through a greener economy.
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And, you know, working with reconciliation with Indigenous people.
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There are so many big things we have to keep doing
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while there's war in Ukraine, conflict in the Middle East,
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you know, climate change hitting the world,
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backsliding of democracies, foreign interference, you know,
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rise of autocracies, there's all this going on.
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There's no complacency in this job.
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AG: You're describing some of the many things
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that make this one of the hardest jobs on earth.
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And it's unbelievable to me that it comes with so little training.
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But here you are, doing this job every day.
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How do you deal with the ongoing thoughts about,
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"Do I want to keep doing this?"
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I know you've gone on record
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saying you think about quitting approximately every day.
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JT: Yeah, I think that's part of a process
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where if you're going to be honest about doing a job like this,
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that has the responsibilities and the impact that it has,
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you have to check,
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maybe not every day,
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but you have to check that you're up for it,
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that you're all in every given day
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because people out there,
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the 40 million people that I am directly responsible for serving
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deserve a leader that is focused on them with everything they have
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every single day
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and that sort of check on, you know, am I able to do that?
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Am I motivating my team to do that?
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Am I driving that forward?
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Am I fully all in,
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even though I've been in it for a few years,
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even though it's harder now than it was before,
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even though my opponent's getting traction for all the wrong reasons.
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All those different things, if they're enough to make you say
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"yeah, no, maybe" then you shouldn't be doing it.
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I learned this being a teacher
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where I would, you know, work hard all day,
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come home absolutely exhausted,
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but so excited about what the next day was going to bring.
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When you find a job that charges you up like that,
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where you are deeply excited about doing it,
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no matter how hard it gets,
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and aware of the awesome responsibility and impact that you get to have,
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then it's sort of intellectually honest to check yourself,
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check in with yourself regularly.
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AG: How often do you actually think about quitting?
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JT: These days, not at all.
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There was a moment last year,
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as I was facing some difficult moments in my marriage
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where I really wondered, OK, is there a path?
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And I just realized that that's not me.
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There is so much to do still.
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And the stakes are ...
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higher in some ways for our democracies than ever before.
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The need to try and hold things together in a rational discourse
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around doing things that are meaningful
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and are going to nudge the arc of the moral universe forward
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matters so much
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that I couldn't be the person I am,
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the fighter I am,
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and say, yeah, no, this particular fight I'm walking away from.
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No, I can't do that yet.
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AG: You look like you're having fun in your job
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more often than I would expect, given all the stressors of the work.
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But I also, I don't want leaders to have too much fun.
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And I think about some evidence
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that guilt-prone leaders are actually more effective
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because they're more likely to think about mistakes they made
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and try to right wrongs as opposed to,
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you know, just sleeping well every night.
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Talk to me about what guilt feels like in this role,
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because I don't like being responsible for four people, let alone 40 million.
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JT: Anytime you see me having fun,
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I'm connecting with people.
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Like, I'm doing things where people are having genuine interactions
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and that's real.
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The work I do here at this desk, the debates in chamber,
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the things like that, that can be a bit of a grind.
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I mean, that's sort of the solitary work
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or the teamwork around the cabinet table,
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you know, figuring things out, wrestling with big decisions and stuff.
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That's not always fun.
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You've always got to think about the opportunity cost,
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what the consequences are,
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and just being aware of the weight of these decisions is fine,
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but also not putting on yourself a level of ...
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Expectations to be perfect all the time.
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I mean, so many politicians spend all their time saying,
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"I can't make any mistakes."
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If you can be authentic,
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and the one thing that I tend to fall back on is,
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I think Canadians have a pretty good sense of where my values are,
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what I'm trying to fight for.
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I'm trying to build a more inclusive,
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positive society in which everyone has a fair chance
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and where, I'm sure, do some suboptimal things in this policy or that.
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But when a crisis hits, when a challenge hits,
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I'll, as we all do,
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revert to our core values and our core instincts.
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I think that's important.
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In regards to sleep, that's one of my rules.
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I sleep about eight or nine hours every night.
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I exercise as much as I can,
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I eat well, I play well with my kids, with friends,
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you know, getting that balance of being a real person and not saying,
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for these years that I am prime minister,
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I have to be only prime minister and focus only on that.
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I mean, that's a route to madness.
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It can still be me that finds joy even after difficult moments
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and getting that balance
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of allowing myself to be a real whole person
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with good days and bad days and successes and challenges
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I think grounds and uplifts you at the same time.
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AG: I imagine one aspect of your job
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that's harder now than it used to be
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is getting people to speak truth to power.
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You come into office,
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you were peer with a lot of the people that you've brought in,
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and now anybody you hire has to look at the prime minister.
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How do you make it safe for people to speak up?
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JD: I want to focus on making sure people were their community’s voice in Ottawa,
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in Parliament,
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instead of being Parliament's voice in their communities.
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We sit in 338 seats in the House of Commons,
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where each of us, including me,
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represents a very specific district.
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And our responsibility is to vote
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and speak for the people,
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our peers who elected us to come and sit in this House.
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And anchoring my team,
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all the MPs,
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in their responsibility to speak for their community,
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even if that's, you know,
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concerns with something I'm doing
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is really, really important.
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That actually leads not to negative consequences for them,
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but to me saying, OK, because I heard you on this one,
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as we move forward on this policy
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that I know isn't going to be really popular
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in some parts of your community,
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I'm going to say that I know it's not going to be popular,
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or we're going to bring in this mitigation,
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or we're going to try and adjust this,
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and creating a space where people can share with me their concerns
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in a way that I'm not going to fly off the handle at them
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or belittle them,
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just basic interpersonal ability to take criticism
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and, you know, put people at ease
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when they're telling you something they think you don't want to hear,
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which, maybe you don't,
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is part of being a leader that actually pulls together diversity.
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And you cannot run or serve a country like Canada
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unless you're ready to fully embrace diversity.
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If you can't model that amongst your team,
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then how are you going to do right
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by a country that is as variegated as we are?
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AG: Well, I'd love to know what your team is pushing you to improve at.
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How are you trying to grow as a leader?
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What feedback or notes have you gotten lately?
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JT: I've been on a kick lately of just saying,
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"Look, if we could just explain what this policy actually is,
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if we could show the charts and the graphs,
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and if I could just sit down and talk through
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why this is the right policy
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and how it's actually going to help,
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and everyone will get it and they'll agree and then we can move on,
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and there won't be this debate over whether putting a price on pollution
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that puts more money back in people's pockets is a good idea or not,
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because everyone will see.
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If I could just explain it enough and use the right charts."
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People are like, "Boss, you're not a teacher anymore."
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My team, my MPs will come to me and say, "No, no,
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we just need you to get out there and talk about the world we're building
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and reassure people that you've got the plan
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and you're confident in it
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and you're projecting it,
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and we're going to get to that better place,
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and you're going to reassure them,
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and you're going to connect with them
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and stop it with the explaining."
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And that's one that I've had a lot of trouble with.
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And I think my team finally said, "OK, fine,
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we'll make you do lots of podcasts instead,"
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where I do get to do, as one of our mayors once famously put,
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politics in full sentences.
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AG: I have a clear vision of what the meeting looked like
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after you left the room.
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"PM is trying to show PowerPoint again.
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How do we get around this? Podcasts!"
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JT: Exactly, exactly.
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It was pretty much it, I said no,
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I even wrote a script for an explainer video where I can do this.
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And it was like, "God, OK, we'll try."
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And they've done little bits of it and some of them work a bit,
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but it's still me trying to be a teacher,
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as opposed to me being the leader
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that is telling the story of where Canada goes.
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AG: Well, that, I think, is a good segue to the lightning round.
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Are you ready for this?
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I have a bunch of rapid-fire questions.
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First one is, who's a leader you admire who's no longer alive?
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JT: My dad.
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AG: That's an easy one.
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Anyone you're not related to that you would add?
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JT: Lincoln's appeal to the better angels of our natures
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is one that I always go back to
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as he handled a divided country
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in the most challenging ways.
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You know, I think to him, every now and then.
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AG: I feel a little bad that you chose an American leader.
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JT: No, you shouldn't.
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America has provided some of the best leaders
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the world has ever seen.
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AG: OK, so one of my all-time favorite Canadian contests
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was to come up with an equivalent
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of "as American as apple pie" for Canada.
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JT: And the answer in Canada was
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"as Canadian as possible under the circumstances."
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AG: You have done your homework.
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JT: Yeah, it's a classic Gzowski piece.
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AG: What does that mean to you?
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JT: Oh, God, that's a good question.
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I think it means that we're people who understand compromise
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and reality.
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That things don't always go towards our ideal.
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There's no manifest destiny like there is in the United States.
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It's a sense of, you know, we're going to figure this out.
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We're going to roll up our sleeves,
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we're going to figure out how to get along,
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and solve the problems given the tools we have.
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AG: Basically it's a slogan for Canadian agreeableness
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and adaptability.
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JT: You know, saying sorry after someone bumps into you
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is a way of, you know, easing that dynamic as well.
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AG: Touche.
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What's the worst piece of leadership advice you've been given?
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JT: Try to be more like your dad.
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AG: Why was that bad advice?
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JT: Because I'm not him.
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And people say, "I like the way you did that,
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It was just like your dad."
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I'm like, "I have to be careful of that."
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Growing up with parents who are very successful or take up a lot of space,
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you know, forces you to be very deliberate
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about what you're choosing to take from them,
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what you're choosing not to.
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And then you have to deal with all the expectations.
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All my life, people said, "Your dad was prime minister,
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Do you want to be prime minister, too?"
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My kids are going through it now, too.
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"Two generations.
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Are you going to be the third generation?"
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And it's like, "I'm a teenager.
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What the hell do I know?" Right?
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And learning how to be grounded in who and what you are
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and unapologetic about it
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and not trying to be something you're not ever
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is hugely important.
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AG: What's something you've rethought lately?
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JT: Rethinking all the forces that ended up leaving Canadians ...
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Divided or grumpy post-pandemic.
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During the pandemic, we scrambled to try and do everything we could.
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We delivered a 500-dollar-a-week income replacement for low-income people.
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We brought in a 75 percent wage subsidy that kept people on the payrolls.
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We encouraged and, you know,
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created conditions in which everyone was encouraged to get vaccination.
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We had a higher double-vaccination rate than just about any of our peer countries.
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We had a less bad pandemic than just about any of our peer countries.
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And yet, some of the lingering impacts of those policies
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continue to divide Canadians.
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And I'm still trying to figure out how to bring Canadians back together.
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And it's something I'm grappling with.
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AG: What's a book you read recently that you loved?
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JT: "The Invisible Life of Addie LaRue,"
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which is a lovely story of a young woman who was born in, like,
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17th-century France,
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who made a Faustian bargain and lived forever.
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But anyone she met would instantly forget her the second she walked past.
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And what kind of a life is that when you actually can't have a lasting impact
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on anyone around you?
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I read almost only fiction on my downtime
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because I read so much nonfiction for work.
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AG: What's the question you have for me?
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JT: Well, you give advice to leaders of all different types
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on how to adjust
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and how to lead today,
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given social media, given post-pandemic world, all that.
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Would you give the same advice or different advice to political leaders
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as you would to other types of leaders
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and what would be your best advice
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on how to create cohesive communities
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in this time of division?
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AG: I think I'd say both.
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I give some of the same advice,
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because I think there are aspects of leadership
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that generalize regardless of what environment you're in.
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At the end of the day, you have to make good decisions.
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You have to get people to respect your integrity and your competence
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and your care and want to follow you.
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And so I guess my most basic message to leaders in any environment
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would be put your mission above your ego.
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That's an easy one.
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Things I would say differently to political leaders,
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although I actually think
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that the business world has become more like this in recent years,
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our political leaders have to care a lot more about constituents
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and their opinions and their approval ratings.
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And I think that now we're actually seeing
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that leaders are facing that kind of pressure in other environments as well.
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In terms of your question about how to bring people together
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and create community,
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I don't think anybody has easy answers.
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And as a social scientist,
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I've been wracking my brain on it for the last few years
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and reading everything I could find.
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And I think probably the most useful thing that I've come across
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is a lot of people are very quick to slip into binary bias:
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good versus bad, us versus them.
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Pick your least favorite version of it.
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The way that we normally try to fight that is we try to build up,
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"we're good, they're bad."
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And I think a better solution is to say we actually need a door number three.
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We need to ask, OK, if these two views are dividing people,
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what's the third point of view
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that actually the silent majority might hold?
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And that seems to me at least to be a good starting point
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for thinking through this.
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JT: No, listen, I love that.
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And I've been reading on a phenomenon
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that says the majority actually starts to think it's in the minority now
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because those minorities are so loud, you know,
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there's so much noise out there that people start questioning
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that goodness and thoughtfulness of the silent majority.
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I think I'm someone who got into politics to try and pull people together.
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And it is so easy
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to fall into sort of
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divisive rhetoric
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or ...
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or even position.
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Then you have to be careful with this, too.
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I mean, I made the decision early on in my leadership
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that I was only going to have pro-choice MPs.
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That members of Parliament needed to be willing to stand up
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for a woman's right to choose.
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And a lot of people accused me of being divisive on that
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because I was excluding, you know,
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parts of the population from being able to run for our party.
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And traditionally our party had had both sides of that debate,
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both pro-choice and anti-choice.
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And that is a position that,
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on the one hand, is somewhat divisive, right?
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Because I am saying, no,
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you don't get to take away a woman's right to choose.
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But at the same time, it's one that I believe
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is the right position in absolute terms.
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It's empowering an individual woman to make whatever choice she wants.
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If she wants to be anti-abortion, she can do that.
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If she wants to start a family, like, she gets that choice.
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But it's portrayed as a binary situation
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that has caused me to really think about the nature
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of you know, taking a clear position on a thorny issue
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versus trying to accommodate as many different viewpoints.
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And obviously, in many situations, you want to bring people together
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on, you know, protecting the environment is good.
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And, you know, growing the society for everyone is good.
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But sometimes there are sharp lines to be drawn.
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And navigating the difference in those moments
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is something that is fraught with extra peril
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in a time of polarization
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and such amplification of divisions online.
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AG: When you navigate these kinds of decisions now with your team,
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how do you actually go about thinking through the different options?
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What does your decision process actually look like?
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JT: Well, I try to anchor myself in trying to find out
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what the actual right decision is, first and foremost.
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What is the best science
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or the most up-to-date science on it?
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What is the consensus?
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What are the experts saying?
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Can we find experts to disagree with each other
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and try and pull from them their points of disagreement,
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to find if there is a position
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that actually you can build some sort of consensus around.
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And then you look at, OK,
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now that we know what the optimal answer is,
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does this fit in with both where people are
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and where people are willing to go?
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And, you know, does it fit into the rest of what we're doing?
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Because, you know, you could have the absolute right answer
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for something that is, yes, the absolute intellectually,
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33:38
academically, best solution for a given problem.
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But if you look at it and say,
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but Canadians won't be able to support it,
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it's too much of a step, it's too much of a leap,
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then can you figure out a half-measure that nudges us in the right direction?
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So next year or next mandate or next leader
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33:56
or next prime minister can complete that work.
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And that's the art of the possible.
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34:03
One of my favorite prime ministers,
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other than my dad, was Wilfrid Laurier.
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He was turn of the century.
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He was a French Canadian, our first French Canadian prime minister
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ruling over a majority English Canada.
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And he understood the need not to just anchor in your own identity
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and be unflinching on it.
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But that political courage actually sometimes involves
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and usually involves compromise and putting water in your wine
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34:32
and finding common ground
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and bringing together a cohesive vision that we can all get behind,
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34:37
even if it's not optimal for either side.
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And that idea
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34:42
of trying to find the best way to come together in our differences,
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to agree on a path forward,
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continues to be the elusive goal of Canadian politics.
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34:53
AG: That's a nice challenge, actually, to rethink compromise.
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I've long been allergic to it
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because it seems like both people are leaving unhappy.
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But I think what you're saying is that you actually care
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about the other person's happiness, too.
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JT: Well, politics shouldn't be win-lose because fundamentally,
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we all sort of agree on the same things.
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People should have good jobs and give meaning to their lives.
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They should have opportunities to advance.
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They should have a clean environment.
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Everyone should have a chance to succeed.
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We should be, you know, not at war with neighbors
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or people on the other side of the world.
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Everyone sort of knows what the ideals are.
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Lots of disagreements about how to best organize ourselves to get there.
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But the more you can get down to those basic principles
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of let's try and figure this out together,
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and can we find a way that nudges us forward in a meaningful way,
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well, that does require finding that middle ground,
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that common ground.
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AG: I feel like most of the time we get asked,
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what's the advice you would give to your younger self?
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But I want to flip the question and say,
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if you can give advice to Prime Minister Trudeau
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a year or a decade down the road,
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what guidance would you give to the wiser, older version of you?
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JT: Be ...
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Be patient with yourself.
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Allow that sometimes it takes time to get to the right answer.
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And "perfect is the enemy of the good"
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matters as a principle.
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That taking meaningful steps forward
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are sometimes more transformative and lasting
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than trying to change everything all at once.
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AG: Thank you.
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JT: What a great conversation, thank you, Adam.
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