How to Spot a Cult | Sarah Edmondson | TED

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翻译人员: Shirley Tu 校对人员: suya f.
00:03
I have always been drawn to community --
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我一直被社群所吸引 ——
00:08
being in community, building communities that I believe in.
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加入社群, 建设我所信仰的社群。
00:12
I've been a lifelong learner, seeker, total joiner.
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我是一名终身学习者、 探寻者、全心全意的参与者。
00:17
Brownies, drama club, summer camp.
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参加过女童子军, 戏剧俱乐部,夏令营。
00:21
I was raised by fantastic hippie parents
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我由出色的嬉皮士父母抚养长大,
00:24
who taught me the importance of making the world better.
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他们教会了我 让世界变得更美好很重要。
00:28
Also, bring snacks.
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另外,带上零食。
00:30
Be ready for sing-alongs.
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准备好一起唱歌。
00:32
I'm incredibly organized, I'm a big connector.
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我做事很有条理。 我很会联络感情。
00:35
I've been told I have big cruise director energy.
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有人告诉我,
我的精力旺盛到能当邮轮总监。
00:38
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
00:40
No clipboard today.
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今天没有宣传员。
00:43
I was also in a cult for 12 years.
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我也曾在一个邪教待了 12 年。
00:48
And I’m here today to protect you all
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那么我今天来这里 是为了保护你们所有人
00:49
from the same shit show that I went through.
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免受我所经历过的那场狗屁。
00:52
(Laughs)
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(笑)
00:53
(Applause)
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(掌声)
00:54
Yeah. You want this.
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对。你们要的是这个。
00:56
(Cheers and applause)
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(欢呼和掌声)
01:00
My talk is rooted in awareness.
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我的演讲源于意识。
01:03
I want to help you to navigate all the culty groups out there
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我想带你一览所有邪教团体,
01:07
so that you can seek safely.
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这样你就可以安全地探寻自我。
01:11
So, in 2005,
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那么,在 2005 年,
01:13
I was an aspiring actress slash waitress,
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我是一名有抱负的演员,兼职侍应生,
01:17
when I was invited to Nxivm.
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就在那时我受邀参加了 Nxivm。
01:22
A personal and professional development program
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这是一项个人职业发展课程,
01:24
with a seemingly altruistic mission to change the world,
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看似带有利他主义的使命, 志在改变世界,
01:28
one person at a time.
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一次改变一个人。
01:30
Big red flag.
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重大警告。
01:33
And I truly found an incredible community of like-minded humanitarians,
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然后我真的找到了一个不可思议的社群, 由志同道合的人道主义者们组成,
01:38
and a place where I could help people set and achieve goals
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找到了一个我可以帮助人们 设定和实现目标,
01:41
and bust through their limiting beliefs.
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并突破其局限性信念的地方。
01:44
It was wonderful.
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太棒了。
01:45
But it was also a facade for something sinister,
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但这也是一个幌子, 为了掩盖某种邪恶,
01:49
something that would take over my life slowly, over a decade,
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这种邪恶慢慢占据了 我的生活,历时十多年,
01:53
with a slow build of coercion, obligation, gaslighting and control.
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伴随着循序渐进的胁迫、 义务、煤气灯效应和控制。
02:00
It wasn't just a highly toxic workplace.
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这并不只是一个有毒的工作场所,
02:03
This was a high-control group,
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而是一个高度控制的团体,
02:05
AKA a cult.
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又名邪教组织。
02:08
But I couldn't see it.
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但我没料到这点。
02:09
There were so many great things about the community
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社群里有太多美好的事物
02:11
clouding my judgment.
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蒙蔽了我的判断。
02:13
I rose up the ranks,
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我得到晋升,
02:14
became one of the company's star recruiters.
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成为公司的明星招聘官之一。
02:17
It was incredible.
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太不可思议了。
02:18
I thought that I had found the best club ever.
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我以为我找到了有史以来最棒的俱乐部。
02:22
My people, the chosen family.
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我的人,我选中的家庭。
02:25
But more importantly,
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但更重要的是,
02:26
a place where I had community and belonging.
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这个地方让我拥有了社群和归属感。
02:29
Those were things I was looking for ever since I was a little girl.
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这些是我从小到大一直在追寻的。
02:32
I had actually wandered onto the path of self-reflection and transformation
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我真的踏上了自我反省和转型之路,
02:36
without any tools for navigating or protecting myself.
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没有任何指引或保护自身的工具,
02:41
But I was in deep.
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但是我深陷其中。
02:42
(Laughs)
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(笑)
02:43
My actual friends and family saw less and less of me,
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我真正的朋友和家人 对我的了解越来越少,
02:47
as I’d spent more money on time and trainings,
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因为我花在时间和培训上的钱越来越多,
02:51
and my worldview got more narrow.
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我的世界观也越来越狭隘。
02:54
My language became coded, I sounded like a Nxivm robot.
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我的语言被编码了, 听起来像一个 Nxivm 机器人。
02:58
I was on the top of this grifty iceberg, a Nxivm pyramid,
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我曾站在这座敛财冰山的顶端, 站在Nxivm的金字塔尖,
03:04
and it truly haunts me to this day,
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这件事到今天还困扰着我,
03:06
how many people I brought in, my friends and family,
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我坑了多少人? 而我的朋友和家人们
03:08
who in turn brought in their friends and family through leveraged trust?
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又通过杠杆信托 坑了多少他们的朋友和家人?
03:12
Till I had grown an organization so big, I could open the first center in Canada,
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直到我把组织发展得如此庞大, 我才能在加拿大开设第一个中心,
03:16
which was something I used to be incredibly proud of.
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这曾是我引以为傲的事。
03:19
Some of those people are still loyal to the cult to this day.
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这个中心的一些人 至今还在忠于这个邪教。
03:23
It all came to a head when I was invited to a secret Nxivm offshoot ...
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直到我受邀参加一个 Nxivm 的秘密分支机构时,
一切都水落石出了……
03:30
A badass boot camp for women only,
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一个仅限女性的坏蛋新兵训练营,
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sold to me as empowerment,
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作为“赋权”,卖给了我,
03:35
when it was actually enslavement.
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实际上却是奴役。
03:38
Just a way for Keith Raniere, the company's founder,
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是一种方式, 对于公司的创始人
基思·拉涅尔(Keith Raniere)来说,
03:42
to brand women.
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将女性明码标价,
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As if he owned them.
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好像他拥有她们一样。
03:46
Yeah.
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是啊。
03:48
He also blackmailed many of them into sex.
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他还通过勒索 和其中许多人发生了性关系。
03:50
I managed to dodge that bullet.
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我设法避开了那颗子弹。
03:52
Thankfully, it was the branding that woke me up.
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幸好,正是这个明码标价惊醒了我。
03:55
I mean, one minute, you're selling a goals program,
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我的意思是,前一分钟, 你还在卖课,
下一分钟,你就汗涔涔地、 赤身裸体地躺在一张餐桌上,
03:58
and the next, you're sweaty and naked on a table,
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在一个秘密姐妹会里, 被贴上了商品标签。
04:00
being branded in a secret sorority.
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04:02
And it wasn't the moment of the branding itself.
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而这还不是真正明码标价的时刻。
04:05
No, not when I was sliced open without anesthetic.
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不是的,不是在我没打麻药 就给我开刀的那一刻。
04:09
But later, when I found out
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但是后来,当我发现,
04:11
that the symbol on my body was not the four elements, as I'd been told,
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纹在我身上的符号并不是 之前被告知的四大元素,
04:15
but actually Keith Raniere's initials in a cryptic monogram.
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而是基思·拉涅尔的某种 密文首字母缩写时,
04:19
Yeah, I had his initials on my body.
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是的,我身上纹了他的姓名缩写,
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He literally thought he could own me.
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他真的以为自己可以拥有我。
04:25
He was wrong,
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他错了,
04:27
and I was out.
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我不干了。
04:29
But -- yes, thank you.
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但是 —— 是的,谢谢。
04:30
(Cheers and applause)
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(欢呼和掌声)
04:34
Wait, what happened to me was just the beginning.
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等等,这些遭遇只是开始。
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And when we found out what else was going on behind closed doors --
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当我们发现了 他们关起门来做的其他事 ——
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crimes ranging from blackmail, forced labor,
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勒索、强迫劳动、
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child pornography, sex trafficking ...
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儿童色情制品、 性贩运等等一系列犯罪行为时……
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I was mortified.
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我羞愧难当。
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So I went to the authorities with a band of fellow shocked ex-members,
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于是我和一帮震惊的前成员 一起去了当局,
04:54
and we blew the proverbial whistle.
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吹响了俗话说的前哨。
但是他们什么也没做,
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But they didn't do anything.
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充耳不闻,因为他们不知道 自己在对付的是什么。
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Fell on deaf ears,
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05:00
because they didn't know what they were looking at.
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所以我们去找了媒体。
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So we went to the press.
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05:05
Look, Mom and Dad,
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看,妈,爸,
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I’m on the front page of The New York Times.
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我登上了《纽约时报》的头版。
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It's not exactly what I was imagining my life would be
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这和我一开始做演员时
所想象的生活可不大一样。
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when I started out as an actress,
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但我已经走到这一步了。
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but here we are.
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05:16
After that, the rest is cult history.
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在那之后,剩下就是, 这个邪教成为了历史。
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A dramatic arrest in Mexico.
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一场发生在墨西哥的激烈逮捕,
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A six-week trial, a four-hour deliberation,
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一场为期六周的审判, 一次长达四小时的庭审,
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and ultimately, a 120-year prison sentence for Nxivm's founder.
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最终,Nxivm 的创始人 被判处 120 年有期徒刑。
05:29
(Applause)
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(掌声)
05:30
Yes, thank you. Thank you.
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是的,谢谢。谢谢。
05:32
(Applause)
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(掌声)
05:36
Big win.
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大获全胜。
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And just for the record, by all cult expert assessments,
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另外我想说的是, 据所有邪教专家评估,
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Keith Raniere is now known
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基思·拉涅尔现在被称为
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as one of the most dangerous cult leaders of all time,
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有史以来最危险的邪教领袖之一,
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on par with Jim Jones,
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与吉姆·琼斯(Jim Jones)齐名,
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whose rise to power culminated in the death of 900 people,
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吉姆·琼斯的崛起 以 900 人的死亡告终,
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300 of which were children,
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其中 300 人是儿童,
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for drinking poisoned Flavor-Aid,
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死亡原因是喝下了 有毒饮料 Flavor-Aid,
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which is where "drink the Kool-Aid" comes from, by the way.
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这就是 “drink the Kool-Aid”(盲信) 这个说法的来历。
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And FYI, if they hadn't have drank it, they would have been shot.
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顺带一提,仅供参考, 如果他们没有喝下毒饮料,就会被枪杀。
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It wasn't a choice, we don't use that phrase properly.
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这不是一种“选择”, 这个词用得不合适。
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It's called a bounded choice. Coercive control.
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这叫“有限制的选择”。 是强迫控制。
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Needless to say, Keith Raniere was not the noble, humanitarian,
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不用多说,基思·拉涅尔并不像 我多年以来一直担保的那样,
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ethical genius I thought I was vouching for all those years.
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是什么高尚的、 人道主义的伦理天才,
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Quite the opposite, actually.
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实际情况正好相反。
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Nobody signs up for trauma and tragedy on purpose.
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没人会故意领教创伤和悲剧。
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In fact, a wise man once said, "Nobody joins a cult on purpose."
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事实上,一位智者曾经说过: “没人会故意加入邪教。”
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They join something good.
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他们加入的是一些好的团体,
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I was on my path, I was a seeker, and I got burned.
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我走我的路, 我探寻,然后被火烧。
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Literally.
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字面意思。
06:38
Blackmailed, branded, humiliated.
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被勒索、被明码标价、被羞辱。
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And I got out.
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然后我走出来了。
06:42
But I couldn't just leave.
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但我不能就这样离开。
06:44
I had to be as loud about why I was leaving as when I was recruiting.
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我必须要大声说出自己为什么离开, 就像我招人进来时一样大声。
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And I've been out for six years almost to the day, actually.
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事实上,从我逃脱的那天起, 到今天差不多正好六年。
06:52
Happy uncult-aversary to me. (Applause) Thank you.
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祝我脱教纪念日快乐。 (掌声)谢谢。
06:55
(Applause)
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(掌声)
07:00
And you could say my story is out there. (Laughs)
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可以说我的故事已经广为流传了。
(笑)
07:04
In raw, gritty, personal detail.
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还充满了一手的、 琐碎的个人细节,
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Thank you, HBO.
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多亏了 HBO,
07:07
I have been to hell and back in high definition.
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我去地狱走了一遭, 又回来了,还是高清的。
07:11
And I could definitely glean some nuggets for you about resiliency and trauma,
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所以,我绝对可以为你收集一些 关于修复创伤的小技巧,
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turning lemons into lemonade.
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教你化腐朽为神奇。
07:18
But today, I'm here for a different reason.
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但是今天,我来这里为了另一个原因。
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I want to share with you cult literacy.
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我想和你们分享一下邪教扫盲。
07:26
New thing for all of us.
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这对我们所有人来说都很新鲜。
07:28
I want to share some lessons learned so that you can seek safely.
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我想分享一些经验教训, 以便您可以安全地探寻自我。
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I want to show you how cults prey on your humanity
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我想告诉你邪教 如何掠夺你的人性,
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and leave no one immune.
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并让任何人都无法幸免。
07:37
Good plan? OK.
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不错的计划吧?很好。
07:40
So first you have to know that these things are everywhere.
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所以,首先你必须知道 这些东西无处不在。
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Cults are everywhere, and they don't look like what you think anymore.
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邪教无处不在,而且它们看上去 不再是你所想的那样,
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We’re not talking about shaved heads and drinking goats’ blood
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我们不是在谈论剃光头和喝山羊血,
07:50
in some Stanley Kubrick horror movie, “Eyes Wide Shut.”
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像斯坦利·库布里克(Stanley Kubrick) 的恐怖电影《大开眼戒》里那种
07:52
Masks and robes? No.
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面具和长袍?没有。
07:55
Cults thrive by disguising themselves as something wonderful
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邪教的发展壮大全靠伪装, 伪装成某种美好的事物,
08:00
that appeals to your total, normal humanity,
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这些美好的事物吸引着 你全部的,正常的人性,
08:03
your desire for connection, meaning and purpose.
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以及你对与人连接、 意义和目标的渴望。
08:06
All of those things are really beautiful.
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所有这些东西看上去都很美,
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It might look like a hot yoga class where everyone is so friendly afterwards.
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也许看起来就像一堂热腾腾的瑜伽课, 课后每个人都很友善,
08:13
"Thank you so much for coming. Can I get you a kombucha?"
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“非常感谢你的光临。 我能给你倒一杯功夫茶吗?”
08:16
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
08:19
A course on leadership and communication.
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一门关于领导力和沟通的课程。
08:24
A retreat on wellness and spirituality.
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一个健康与灵性的静修之所。
08:27
An incredible business opportunity to sell a life-changing product
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一个不可多得的商机,
08:31
from the comfort of your own home.
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让您在自己家就能销售一款 可以改变人生的产品。
08:33
Hashtag financialfreedom. Hashtag bossbabe.
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标签 #财务自由#。 标签 #女老板#。
08:35
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
08:36
You know who I'm talking about.
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你知道我在说谁。
08:38
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
08:39
Or a Sunday coffee hour
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或者在一个周日的咖啡时段,
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where the congregation or the sorority sisters,
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当那些会众 或姐妹会的姐妹们,
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or Montessori moms,
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或信奉“蒙氏教育”的妈妈们,
08:47
are all so quick to welcome you and shower you with praise.
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都热烈地欢迎你, 并对你赞不绝口。
08:50
"Oh well, bless your heart.
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“哦好吧,祝福你的心。
08:53
Oh my God, I love your hair.
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天啊,我喜欢你的头发。
08:55
Welcome to the family."
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欢迎加入这个大家庭。”
08:57
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
08:59
I'm not condemning any one of these things, trust me.
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我不会声讨其中任何一件事。
09:02
I just want you to see the precursors.
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我只想让你们看看前车之鉴。
09:05
I want you to be able to tell the difference
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我希望你能够分辨出
09:07
between a healthy human thing
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一个健康的人际活动
09:09
and something with a malignant endgame.
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和一个邪恶的骗局 之间的区别。
09:13
Which brings me to the second thing I want you to know.
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这使我想到了第二件 我想告诉你们的事,
09:16
Cults prey on your humanity in a way that is predictable and textbook.
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邪教以一种可预见的、 教科书般的方式掠食你的人性。
09:22
Do people keep telling you how special you are?
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人们会一直告诉你 你有多特别吗?
09:25
Yeah, well, the "special" part is probably true.
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是的,好吧,“特别” 的部分可能是真的。
09:28
But if that's combined with a lot of eye-gazing and effusive smiles ...
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但是,如果再结合许多的凝视 和热情洋溢的笑容……
09:32
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
09:33
That might not be love, but love-bombing:
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那可能不是爱情, 而是爱情轰炸:
09:36
a manipulation strategy that’s designed to reel you in,
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一种设计你、钓你上钩的操纵策略,
09:39
something that's been used by so many people,
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很多人都在使用这种策略,
09:42
from sex traffickers to David Koresh,
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从性贩子, 到大卫·科雷什(David Koresh)
09:45
the infamous and ultimately doomed leader of the Branch Davidians
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那个臭名昭著、最终垮台 的大卫教派领导人,
09:49
that led to the Waco tragedy,
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也是酿成“韦科惨剧”的罪魁祸首,
09:51
to Keith Raniere,
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再到凯斯·拉尼尔,
09:52
to your next-door neighbor selling essential oils
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再到你隔壁邻居, 那个在后备箱
09:54
the back of her trunk.
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卖精油的。
09:56
All that love is designed
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所有的爱都是经过设计的,
09:58
to make you feel like you're part of something.
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为了让你感觉自己是某事的一部分。
10:00
The best yoga, the best fraternity,
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最好的瑜伽,最好的兄弟会,
10:02
the best TEDx.
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最好的TEDx。
10:04
Am I right? Best TEDx?
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我说得对吗?最好的TEDx?
10:06
This is the best TEDx, just be honest.
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这确实是最好的TEDx,实话实说。
10:09
(Laughter and applause)
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(笑声和掌声)
10:10
Thank you, yes, Dave.
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谢谢你,是的,戴夫。
10:12
(Applause)
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(掌声)
10:13
But ...
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但是……
10:15
All of that love is designed to make you feel
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所有这些爱都是经过设计的, 为了让你感觉
10:17
like you are part of something.
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自己是某事的一部分。
10:19
That's it.
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仅此而已。
10:20
Are you part of a course
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你是否加入了某门课程
10:21
or a group that's telling you that they've got the answers
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或某个小组, 他们告诉你,
10:24
to life's questions?
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他们为人生的问题提供了答案?
10:26
Or even better yet,
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或者更高级一点,
10:28
the answers and the solutions to the world's problems?
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为世界的问题提供了答案和解决方案?
10:31
Careful. That's dogma or doctrine.
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小心。那就是教条或教义。
10:34
And those courses you're buying could just be classic indoctrination.
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而你购买的那些课程 可能只是经典的灌输。
10:38
You feel righteous about a group being the right way or the only way?
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你会理直气壮地认同一个团体 的价值观是正确的、或是唯一正确的吗?
10:43
That's basic "us-versus-them" mentality that's baked right in,
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“我们对抗他们”, 这就是烙在你脑子里基本思维模式,
10:48
that's a very convenient way for culty bad guys to isolate you from other people
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是邪教的坏蛋们擅用的一种 非常便捷的方式,
10:52
and the outside world.
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将你与他人还有外界隔绝开来。
10:54
All of these tactics, offering answers and solutions
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所有这些策略, 所提供的答案和解决方案,
10:57
and community and love and all these good things,
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社群和爱, 以及所有这些美好的事物,
11:00
it's just what binds you to the group slowly, over time.
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都会将你与团队逐渐绑定在一起。
11:03
Just like the frog in the pot of water. You know this cliché, right?
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就好比温水煮青蛙。 你们都知道这个典故,对吧?
11:07
Throw the frog in a pot of boiling water, it jumps out,
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把青蛙扔进一锅开水里, 它会自己跳出来,
11:10
it knows what's going on.
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因为它知道发生了什么。
11:11
But if you put it in cold water and turn the heat up slowly,
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但是,如果你把它放在冷水里, 小火慢熬,
11:14
it stays in, it doesn't notice.
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它就会待在里面, 没注意到异样,
11:15
Just like you don't notice, because it feels so good to be loved
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就像你没注意到异样, 是因为被爱
11:18
and be part of something.
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和成为某事的一部分, 那种感觉太好了。
11:20
Or maybe you're just trying to get your money's worth.
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或者,你花了钱, 只是希望物有所值。
11:23
Or, like me, prove your friends and family wrong.
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或者,像我一样,想要证明 你的朋友和家人都错了。
11:26
"I'm not in a cult."
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“我加入的不是邪教。”
11:28
And if and when that you notice ...
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而如果,当你注意到……
11:31
that it's not what you signed up for in the beginning,
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这不是你一开始签约的初衷,
11:34
it's too late, you're just a frog.
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为时已晚。 你就是那只青蛙。
11:36
You're bought in and you've been boiled.
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你被哄进来, 被煮熟了。
11:38
So how do you know the difference between love versus love-bombing?
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那么你如何区分 爱情和爱情轰炸?
11:42
The helpful tools versus the tools of coercive control?
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如何区分有用的工具 和强制控制的工具?
11:47
And something altruistic
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如何区分利他主义
11:49
versus smoke and mirrors to hide something shady?
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和掩盖黑幕的烟雾弹?
11:52
How do you do that human thing called seeking,
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你该如何像常人 所说的那样“追寻自我”,
11:55
when cults are insidious
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在邪教如此阴险狡猾
11:56
and any group can become culty?
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且任何群体都可能成为邪教的前提下?
11:58
That's right. Any group.
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没错,任何群体。
12:01
OK, first, you can write this down.
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好吧,首先,你可以记下这个。
12:05
You're not immune to cultic influence. Nobody is.
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你无法对邪教的影响免疫。 没人能。
12:08
And I know some of you are thinking, "That will never happen to me."
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而且我知道你们当中有些人在想, “那永远不会发生在我身上。”
12:12
If you think you're not susceptible,
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如果你认为自己不容易受影响,
12:14
you're more susceptible than you know.
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那么,你其实 比你以为的更容易受影响。
12:17
You might see some red flags and think you're just going to a carnival.
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可能你看到了危险信号, 却想着“就当是去一场狂欢节”。
12:22
Nxivm fooled some really brilliant people.
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Nxivm 骗到了一些非常聪明的人。
12:24
Captains of industry, business leaders.
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行业标杆、商业领袖。
12:27
It's because this stuff isn't so obvious.
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因为这个东西不那么明显,
12:29
It's just dynamics.
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它是动态的,
12:31
It's called an abuse of power.
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它被称为权力的滥用。
12:34
Ever had a boss ask you to work late and weekends,
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曾有老板要求你在深夜和周末加班,
12:37
asking you to prove your commitment to the company,
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要求你证明对公司的承诺,
12:39
and you felt like you couldn't say no?
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而你却无法拒绝吗?
12:41
Or a significant other text you constantly and love-bomb you,
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或者,有伴侣曾频繁发讯息给你, 爱情轰炸你,
12:45
make you feel special,
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让你感到自己很特别,
12:46
only for them to ghost you and have you question your own worth?
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却只是为了忽然冷落你, 让你质疑自己的价值吗?
12:50
Or been a part of a demanding social group?
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或者,曾加入过一个高需求的社交团体,
12:54
And you knew that if you missed even one night,
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而且知道只要错过哪怕一晚,
12:56
you might be on the outs for a while.
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你都可能遭受一段时间的排挤。
12:58
It could be anything from a group of college friends to a book club.
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它可以是任何东西, 从一帮大学朋友到读书俱乐部。
13:02
And remember, it doesn't matter how rational and skeptical you are,
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请记住,无论你多么理性和多疑,
13:05
you're all susceptible.
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你都容易受影响。
13:07
Fair enough, you might not have been interested in Nxivm, in my cult,
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平心而论,你可能不会对 我的邪教 Nxivm 感兴趣,
13:10
I get it.
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我懂。
13:12
But with the right place at the right time
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但是,只要在正确的时间, 正确的地点,
13:14
and the right trusted person inviting you,
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有正确的、值得信赖的人来邀请你,
13:16
you may say yes to something else.
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你很可能无法拒绝其他事。
13:18
Everybody's got their something, their hook.
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每个人都有自己的偏好, 自己的钓饵。
13:21
Remember, it doesn't look like what you see on your streaming platforms.
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记住,它看起来不会像 流媒体平台上展现的那样,
13:24
It could be as fun and friendly as ...
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它可能有趣又友善,就像是……
13:27
"Want to check out a spin class?"
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“动感单车课,了解一下吗?”
13:30
A makeup party with wine and cheese.
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一场化妆舞会,有奶酪和葡萄酒。
13:32
"Hey, let's go phone-bank for our favorite candidate."
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“嘿,让我们电话支持 最爱的候选人吧。”
13:34
"Have you ever tried cold plunging?"
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“你试过冷水浴吗?”
13:37
I see you, Portland.
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我看见你了,波特兰。
13:38
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
13:41
That's why it's so important to know the signs and red flags of cultic abuse,
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这就是为何了解邪教虐待的 征兆和危险信号如此重要,
13:44
especially in this day and age.
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尤其是在当今时代。
13:47
We've all had to become hip
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在网络安全、钓鱼和黑客攻击方面,
13:48
in regards to internet safety, catfishing and hacking.
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我们都必须与时俱进。
13:52
How about we learn some cult literacy?
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来学点邪教扫盲怎么样?
13:54
So I'm going to teach you a couple of red flags.
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那么我要教给你几个危险信号。
13:57
Not all of them, but a couple, so you can spot the signs.
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几个,不是全部, 让你能发现一些征兆。
14:00
And remember, not any one of these things in and of itself is the problem,
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记住,这些征兆 要是单独出现,不成问题,
14:03
it's the whole package.
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成套出现才是问题。
14:05
So please know ...
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所以请注意……
14:09
The first thing is:
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第一:
14:12
there's an assumption of your neediness.
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它假定你需要帮助。
14:15
You're a broken bird, you're unwhole,
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你是一只残鸟,你不完整,
14:17
and they have all the tools to make you whole again.
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而它们拥有全套工具, 能让你变得完整。
14:19
That's very convenient.
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这很方便。
14:21
Secondly, it's expensive.
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其次,它很昂贵。
14:23
And please know that it might cost you more than money.
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而且请注意,它不仅费钱,
14:26
It could cost you in time and relationships.
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还费时间、费人际关系。
14:30
Also, loaded language.
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另外,它还使用煽动性的语言。
14:31
If they're using pretentious terms to sound holier and smarter ...
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如果它们用自命不凡的术语, 让自己听上去更神圣、更有智慧……
14:35
Run. (Laughs)
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跑。(笑)
14:38
Be aware if there's rumors that they're a cult already,
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如果已经有传言说它们是邪教, 那就要多加留意了,
14:40
or if there's lawsuits or bad press.
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或者已经有诉讼或负面报道。
14:43
Where there's smoke, there's usually fire.
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无风不起浪。
14:45
And finally, if they're claiming to have
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最后,如果它们声称拥有
14:47
the definitive answers to life's mysteries --
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能解答人生奥秘的 明确的答案 ——
14:51
big red flag.
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重大警告。
14:53
Oh, my green flags are up already.
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哦,我的安全信号灯已经亮起来了。
14:54
It's important to also see green flags that can signal this is a safe group,
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能看到安全信号同样很重要, 说明这是一个安全群体。
14:59
like questions are welcomed,
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比如欢迎任何提问,
15:00
you can ask things without being gaslit.
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你可以在不被操纵的情况下提问,
15:03
Also, you can leave without being excommunicated,
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你也可以在不被驱逐、 不被排挤或说三道四的情况下,
15:06
shunned or trash-talked.
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主动离开。
15:09
Finally, there's a healthy amount of commitment.
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最后,还要有一个健康的承诺,
15:13
Not an all-consuming change of your entire lifestyle.
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而不是那种将颠覆 你整个生活方式的承诺。
15:16
Hello, CrossFit!
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你好,CrossFit (注:一家美国健身公司)
15:18
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
15:20
Now, one more thing.
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现在,还有一件事。
15:23
It doesn't pop up in Google, with articles from legit publications,
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在谷歌输入“某某组织是邪教吗?”
15:26
if you type in "is blank a cult."
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并不会跳出 来自合法出版物的文章。
15:31
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
15:33
You'd be surprised how many people miss that one.
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你会惊讶有多少人错过了这一点。
15:36
I personally never Googled Nxivm.
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我个人从来没有用 谷歌搜索过 Nxivm。
15:38
I mean, it was 2005, but I never did.
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我的意思是,那是 2005 年,
但我从来没搜过,
15:40
And look where that got me,
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看看那让我走了多少弯路啊。
15:42
so do your research, people.
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所以,多做点研究朋友们。
15:45
But here I am now.
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但是现在,我在这里。
15:48
I had it removed.
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我把它除掉了。
15:49
(Cheers and applause)
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(欢呼和掌声)
15:53
Yes.
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是的。
15:54
(Applause)
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(掌声)
15:55
Free of all that.
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摆脱了这一切。
15:57
Yay, plastic surgery. (Laughs)
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好极了,改头换面。(笑)
15:59
I'm healing.
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我正在康复中。
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And part of that healing is ...
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而作为康复疗程的一部分……
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I'm just trying to clean up the mess that I helped make
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我只是想收拾我留下的烂摊子,
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as the golden goose for Nxivm.
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身为 Nxivm 曾经的摇钱树。
16:11
And I'm also trying to,
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我同时也在努力,
16:13
just as loudly as I vouched for Keith years before,
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就像我数年前为凯斯做担保时那样,
16:16
I'm loudly trying to educate my fellow joiners out there
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我正在努力地、大声教育我的同伴们,
16:19
about seeking safely.
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如何安全地寻求自我。
16:22
So, ultimately, the best advice I have for you,
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因此,归根结底, 我能给你的最好的建议就是,
16:26
to avoid a culty nightmare,
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想要避开邪教的噩梦,
16:28
is just remember that all of these programs
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谨记, 所有这些项目、
16:31
and communities and tools and answers
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社群、工具、解答等等,
16:34
and all this stuff,
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所有这些东西,
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it's just a tool, not an answer.
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它只是一个工具, 而不是一个答案。
16:38
Nobody has all the answers.
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没人能知道所有的答案。
16:42
And I'm not here to point fingers and say,
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而我来这里并不是为了指手画脚地说:
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"you're in a cult" and "that's a cult,"
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“你加入了一个邪教” , 或者“那是一个邪教”,
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or throw that word around loosely.
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也不是为了随随便便 就给人贴上这个标签。
16:47
You don't even have to use the word "cult."
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甚至用不上“邪教”这个词。
16:50
I just want you all to be able to determine
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我只想让大家能够判断
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if whatever you're part of or thinking about joining
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自己正在参与的 或考虑加入的社群
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is healthy for you.
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是不是一个健康的社群。
16:57
That's it.
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仅此而已。
16:58
Because of course, it's great to have new ideas
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因为当然,你能有新的想法
17:00
to put into your tool belt of life.
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加入你的生活工具箱,是件好事。
17:02
That's likely why you're here today.
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这可能就是你今天来到这的原因。
17:04
Just don't make the tools your life.
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只是不要让这些工具成为生活本身。
17:07
Maybe you don't need a guru.
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也许你不需要什么大师,
17:09
Maybe you don't need a fancy retreat or an essential-oil starter kit
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也许你不需要什么豪华静修所 或精油入门套装
17:13
to be a better you.
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就能变得更好。
17:15
You're on a path of self-discovery and knowledge,
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你依然走在一条自我探索和求识之路上,
17:18
but you're already whole, right now.
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不过现在的你已经是完整的了。
17:22
So this is my idea for you -- (Voice breaking)
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所以这就是我提供给你们的想法 ——
(声音中断)
17:25
and I hope you remember it on your journey.
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希望在人生的旅途中, 你能记住它。
17:28
Because to seek is so human,
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因为寻求自我是人之常情,
17:31
and to seek wisely is a very smart idea.
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明智地寻求自我 是个非常好的主意。
17:34
I want only the best for all of you,
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我希望你们都能得到最好的,
17:36
so safe travels.
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所以旅途安全。
17:37
Thank you.
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谢谢。
17:39
(Cheers and applause)
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(欢呼和掌声)
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