Fluency MC meets Rachel's English

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ไธ‹ใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžๅญ—ๅน•ใ‚’ใƒ€ใƒ–ใƒซใ‚ฏใƒชใƒƒใ‚ฏใ™ใ‚‹ใจๅ‹•็”ปใ‚’ๅ†็”Ÿใงใใพใ™ใ€‚ ็ฟป่จณใ•ใ‚ŒใŸๅญ—ๅน•ใฏๆฉŸๆขฐ็ฟป่จณใงใ™ใ€‚

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This video is a joint project between Rachel's English, Jason R Levine, aka Fluency MC and
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ใ“ใฎใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใฏใ€Rachel's English ใฎ Jason R Levine (ๅˆฅๅ Fluency MC) ใจ
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Vicki Hollett, the video producer.
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ใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ช ใƒ—ใƒญใƒ‡ใƒฅใƒผใ‚ตใƒผใฎ Vicki Hollett ใฎๅ…ฑๅŒใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ธใ‚งใ‚ฏใƒˆใงใ™ใ€‚
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It originally aired on WizIQ.
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ๅ…ƒใ€…ใฏ WizIQ ใงๆ”พๆ˜ ใ•ใ‚ŒใŸใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
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Enjoy!
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ๆฅฝใ—ใฟ๏ผ
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The Best in ELT with Fluency MC.
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Fluency MC ใ‚’ไฝฟ็”จใ—ใŸ ELT ใฎใƒ™ใ‚นใƒˆใ€‚
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Listen, oh, listen.
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่žใ„ใฆใ€ใ‚ใ‚ใ€่žใ„ใฆใ€‚
00:19
Rachel, it's so nice to be sitting down with you to talk.
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ใƒฌใ‚คใƒใ‚งใƒซใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใจไธ€็ท’ใซๅบงใฃใฆ่ฉฑใ›ใฆใจใฆใ‚‚ใ†ใ‚Œใ—ใ„ใ‚ ใ€‚
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I met you once in real "real life."
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ๆœฌๅฝ“ใฎใ€ŒๅฎŸ็”Ÿๆดปใ€ใงไธ€ๅบฆไผšใฃใŸใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
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That's right.
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ใใ‚Œใฏๆญฃใ—ใ„ใ€‚
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But like many people, I feel like I know you from seeing
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ๅคšใใฎไบบใจๅŒใ˜ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ ็งใฏใ‚ใชใŸใฎใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’ใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒญใƒผใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซๆ„Ÿใ˜ใพใ™
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your videos and following you.
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.
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I have a lot
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็งใฏ
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of respect for your work.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎไป•ไบ‹ใ‚’ใจใฆใ‚‚ๅฐŠๆ•ฌใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
00:33
Thank you.
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ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€‚
00:34
And I'm so happy to have this chance to talk to you.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ ใ“ใ†ใ—ใฆใŠ่ฉฑใ—ใงใใ‚‹ๆฉŸไผšใ‚’ใ„ใŸใ ใ‘ใฆใ€ใจใฆใ‚‚ๅฌ‰ใ—ใๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
00:35
I guess the first thing I want to ask,
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ๆœ€ๅˆใซ่žใใŸใ„ใฎใฏใ€
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and I know a lot of people are interested in, is how did, how did you get into teaching
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ๅคšใใฎไบบใŒ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€ใใ‚‚ใใ‚‚ ใฉใ†ใ‚„ใฃใฆๆ•™ใˆใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใฃใŸใฎใงใ™ใ‹
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in the
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first place?
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?
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Was it English as a foreign language or a second language, was it something else
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ใใ‚Œใฏๅค–ๅ›ฝ่ชžใจใ—ใฆใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžใงใ™ใ‹ ใ€ใใ‚Œใจใ‚‚็ฌฌไบŒ่จ€่ชžใจใ—ใฆใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžใงใ—ใŸใ‹ใ€ใใ‚Œใจใ‚‚ๅˆฅใฎไฝ•ใ‹ใงใ—ใŸใ‹?ใใ‚Œใงใฏใ€
00:46
and then, how did that connect or evolve into teaching pronunciation?
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ใใ‚ŒใŒใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ็™บ้Ÿณใฎๆ•™่‚ฒใซ็ตใณใคใ„ใŸใ‚Šใ€้€ฒๅŒ–ใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ—ใŸใฎใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹ ?
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Yeah, well, I think it was a bit of an unusual path.
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ใˆใˆใ€ใพใ‚ใ€ใกใ‚‡ใฃใจ ๅค‰ใ‚ใฃใŸ้“ใ ใฃใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
00:54
I did teach a little bit of
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็งใฏ ESL ใ‚’ๅฐ‘ใ—ๆ•™ใˆใพใ—ใŸใŒใ€
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ESL but mostly Rachel's English grew out of something totally different, which was, I
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ใƒฌใ‚คใƒใ‚งใƒซใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžใฎใปใจใ‚“ใฉใฏใ€ ใพใฃใŸใๅˆฅใฎไฝ•ใ‹ใ‹ใ‚‰็”Ÿใพใ‚Œใพใ—ใŸ
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went to school for opera singing.
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ใ€‚
01:04
Right.
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ๅณใ€‚
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I have a Masters of Music in Opera Performance.
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ใ‚ชใƒšใƒฉ ใƒ‘ใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒผใƒžใƒณใ‚นใฎ้Ÿณๆฅฝไฟฎๅฃซๅทใ‚’ๅ–ๅพ—ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
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And so through that I was getting really connected
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€็งใฏ
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to this part of my body.
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎไฝ“ใฎใ“ใฎ้ƒจๅˆ†ใจๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใคใชใŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใ‚ใ‚‹
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So it was pronunciation first, in a sense,
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ๆ„ๅ‘ณใงใฏ็™บ้Ÿณๅ„ชๅ…ˆใงใ—ใŸใญใ€‚
01:16
because you had this background in opera.
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ‚ชใƒšใƒฉใฎใƒใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚ฐใƒฉใ‚ฆใƒณใƒ‰ใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใŸใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
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Yeah, the ESL work that I did was useful
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ใˆใˆใ€็งใŒ่กŒใฃใŸ ESL ใฎไป•ไบ‹ใฏๅฝนใซ็ซ‹ใกใพใ—ใŸ
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but I don't think it actually is related at all to the Rachel's English thing that I'm
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ใŒใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใซ ็งใŒใ‚„ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใƒฌใ‚คใƒใ‚งใƒซใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžใฎใ“ใจใจใฏใพใฃใŸใ้–ขไฟ‚ใŒใชใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
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doing, even though I did have that experience.
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ใ€‚ใŸใจใˆใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใช็ตŒ้จ“ใŒใ‚ใฃใŸใจใ—ใฆใ‚‚.
01:27
So, mostly it grew out of myself singing in
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏไธปใซ็งใŒไป–ใฎ่จ€่ชžใงๆญŒใฃใŸใ“ใจใ‹ใ‚‰็”Ÿใพใ‚Œใพใ—ใŸ
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other languages.
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01:31
And so I was studying the pronunciation specifically and the phonetics
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใ‚นใƒ†ใƒผใ‚ธใฎใŸใ‚ใซ
01:34
of Italian, French, German, English for the stage; I had studied Spanish.
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ใ‚คใ‚ฟใƒชใ‚ข่ชžใ€ใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚น่ชžใ€ใƒ‰ใ‚คใƒ„่ชžใ€่‹ฑ่ชžใฎ็™บ้Ÿณใจ้Ÿณๅฃฐๅญฆใ‚’ๅ…ทไฝ“็š„ใซๅ‹‰ๅผทใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ็งใฏใ‚นใƒšใ‚คใƒณ่ชžใ‚’ๅ‹‰ๅผทใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
01:39
So, there was
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that, my relationship to learning the pronunciation of other languages.
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ไป–ใฎ่จ€่ชžใฎ็™บ้Ÿณใ‚’ๅญฆใถใ“ใจใจใฎ็งใฎ้–ขไฟ‚ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
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But maybe even more so,
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใใ‚ŒไปฅไธŠใซใ€ๅ‘ผๅธใซ
01:45
it was just spending a decade really focused on
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้›†ไธญใ—ใฆ10ๅนดใ‚’้Žใ”ใ—ใŸใ ใ‘ใงใ€
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breath and you know tongue placement and these
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่ˆŒใฎ้…็ฝฎใ‚„ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎ็จฎ้กžใฎใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™
01:52
kinds of things.
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. ใใฎใŠใ‹ใ’ใงใ€ไป–ใฎไบบใฎใŸใ‚ใซ
01:54
And I think that gave me a really clear language to talk about pronunciation
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็™บ้Ÿณใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ™ใŸใ‚ใฎ้žๅธธใซๆ˜Ž็ขบใช่จ€่ชžใŒๅพ—ใ‚‰ใ‚ŒใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
01:59
for other people.
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ใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใ‚’
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Did you have a language teacher helping you with that or, and a music teacher, or
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ๆ‰‹ไผใฃใฆใใ‚Œใ‚‹่ชžๅญฆใฎๅ…ˆ็”ŸใŒใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ‹ ใ€ใใ‚Œใจใ‚‚้Ÿณๆฅฝใฎๅ…ˆ็”Ÿใงใ—ใŸใ‹ใ€ใใ‚Œใจใ‚‚้Ÿณๆฅฝใ‚’้€šใ—ใฆ่จ€่ชž
02:02
were you learning the pronunciation of the languages through the music?
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ใฎ็™บ้Ÿณใ‚’ๅญฆใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ‹ ?
02:06
It was in a class that specifically "Diction for Singers".
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็‰นใซ ใ€ŒๆญŒๆ‰‹ใฎใŸใ‚ใฎ่พžๆ›ธใ€ใฎๆŽˆๆฅญใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
02:09
I see.
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ใใ†ใ‹ใ€‚
02:10
So it was always related
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏๅธธใซใ‚นใƒ†ใƒผใ‚ธใงๆญŒใ†ใจใ„ใ†็›ฎๆจ™ใซ้–ข้€ฃใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸ
02:11
to the goal of singing for the stage.
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ใ€‚
02:14
And it was focused on pronunciation and not so
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02:16
much the languages, although I the did take a semester of Italian, a year of German, and
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็งใฏ ใ‚คใ‚ฟใƒชใ‚ข่ชžใ‚’ไธ€ๅญฆๆœŸใ€ใƒ‰ใ‚คใƒ„่ชžใ‚’ไธ€ๅญฆๆœŸใ€
02:21
a semester of French.
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ใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚น่ชžใ‚’ไธ€ๅญฆๆœŸๅ–ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใŒใ€่จ€่ชžใงใฏใชใ็™บ้Ÿณใซ้‡็‚นใ‚’็ฝฎใ„ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
02:22
So you almost had no choice; they focused you on pronunciation.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€้ธๆŠžใฎไฝ™ๅœฐใฏใปใจใ‚“ใฉใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’็™บ้Ÿณใซ้›†ไธญใ•ใ›ใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
02:23
Yeah, they did, because, you know, if you only have one year and you need to get all
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ใˆใˆใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใใ†ใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ 1ๅนดใ—ใ‹ๆŒใŸใšใ€
02:29
of these things under your belt, then that's what's the most important; because as a singer
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ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใ™ในใฆใ‚’่บซใซใคใ‘ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒ ๆœ€ใ‚‚้‡่ฆใชใ“ใจใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚ ๆญŒๆ‰‹ใจใ—ใฆใ€
02:33
you can memorize a translation and, you know, the feeling of what goes where, but in order
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็ฟป่จณใ‚’่ฆšใˆใŸใ‚Šใ€ ไฝ•ใŒใฉใ“ใซ่กŒใใฎใ‹ใ‚’่ฆšใˆใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใŒใ€
02:38
to sell it, you have to really sound like you know what you're saying.
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ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅฃฒใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซใฏใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่žใ“ใˆใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ .
02:42
And you were teaching English during that time or where you'd taught before?
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ใใฎ้–“ใ€ใพใŸใฏไปฅๅ‰ใซๆ•™ใˆใฆใ„ใŸๅ ดๆ‰€ใง่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ๆ•™ใˆใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ‹? ใใฎ้–“ใ€ใƒœใ‚นใƒˆใƒณใฎใ‚ใ‚‹ๅ ดๆ‰€ใง
02:46
I did teach English as a second language a little bit during that time at a place in
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็ฌฌไบŒ่จ€่ชžใจใ—ใฆ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ๅฐ‘ใ—ๆ•™ใˆใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
02:52
Boston where all of my students were Korean and it was mostly one-on-one or two-on-one,
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็”Ÿๅพ’ใฏๅ…จๅ“ก้Ÿ“ๅ›ฝไบบใงใ€ ใปใจใ‚“ใฉใŒ 1 ๅฏพ 1 ใพใŸใฏ 2 ๅฏพ 1 ใฎ
02:56
thirty minute sessions, and I really loved it.
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30 ๅˆ†้–“ใฎใ‚ปใƒƒใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใงใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใ€‚
03:01
I think the rhythm of the language is so important, and the melody.
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่จ€่ชžใฎใƒชใ‚บใƒ ใจใƒกใƒญใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใƒผใฏใจใฆใ‚‚้‡่ฆใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
03:05
And for me, having
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03:06
the background in singing has been really helpful for that, partially because, you know,
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ๆญŒใฎใƒใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚ฐใƒฉใ‚ฆใƒณใƒ‰ใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใ€ ใใฎใŸใ‚ใซๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅฝนใซ็ซ‹ใกใพใ—ใŸ.1
03:13
singing
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03:14
is rhythm and is melody, but then also I think I developed
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ใคใซใฏใ€ๆญŒใ†ใ“ใจใฏใƒชใ‚บใƒ ใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€
03:17
an ear through that for when I hear someone
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ใƒกใƒญใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใƒผใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใงใ™.
03:21
do something, I can imitate it quite well.
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03:24
And then I can find out what needs to be changed.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ไฝ•ใ‚’ๅค‰ๆ›ดใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚’็Ÿฅใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
03:27
So, often with students, I'll imitate, think what needs to shift, and then be able to articulate
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ใใฎใŸใ‚ใ€็”Ÿๅพ’ใฎๅ ดๅˆใฏใ‚ˆใ็œŸไผผใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ€ ไฝ•ใ‚’ๅค‰ใˆใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚’่€ƒใˆใ€
03:33
that to them.
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ใใ‚Œใ‚’็”Ÿๅพ’ใซๆ˜Ž็ขบใซ่ชฌๆ˜Žใงใใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
03:34
Ah, that's interesting.
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
03:35
For their pronunciation.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฎ็™บ้ŸณใฎใŸใ‚ใซใ€‚
03:36
And do they know you're doing that or is this your best kept secret
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ‚ใชใŸใŒ ใใ‚Œใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹ใ€ใใ‚Œใจใ‚‚ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ
03:38
you're revealing right now?
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒไปŠๆ˜Žใ‚‰ใ‹ใซใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๆœ€้ซ˜ใฎ็ง˜ๅฏ†ใงใ™ใ‹?
03:40
They do they know because they'll be talking and I'll say "hold on," and then I'll do it
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ ็งใฏใ€Œใกใ‚‡ใฃใจๅพ…ใฃใฆใ€ใจ
03:43
myself and I'll say, okay your tongue needs to make whatever adjustment.
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่จ€ใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
03:47
I do that actually with grammar and vocabulary, if something's high frequency, and I'll kind
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็งใฏๅฎŸ้š›ใซๆ–‡ๆณ•ใจ่ชžๅฝ™ใงใใ‚Œใ‚’่กŒใ„ใพใ™ ใŒใ€ไฝ•ใ‹ใŒ้ซ˜้ ปๅบฆใงใ‚ใ‚Œใฐใ€ใƒชใ‚นใƒ‹ใƒณใ‚ฐใ‹ใ‚‰ไฝ•ใ‚‰ใ‹ใฎๆ–นๆณ•ใง
03:52
of tune in to the collective use of English somehow from listening but I don't have that
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่‹ฑ่ชžใฎ้›†ๅˆ็š„ใชไฝฟ็”จใซๅŒ่ชฟใ—ใพใ™ ใŒใ€
03:58
gift
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03:59
with pronunciation; so that's great.
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04:03
For the W consonant, the tongue tip is down here,
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04:09
and the back part of the tongue stretches up,
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่ˆŒใฎๅพŒใ‚ใŒไธŠใซไผธใณใฆใ„ใ‚‹
04:11
so the tongue stretches this way.
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04:13
Ww, ww, wow.
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04:15
For the R consonant, the back part of the tongue
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04:18
does stretch up, here towards the middle part of the roof of the mouth.
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ใ€ใ“ใ“ใงใฏๅฃ่“‹ใฎไธญๅคฎ้ƒจๅˆ†ใซๅ‘ใ‹ใฃใฆไผธใณใฆใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚ ่ˆŒ
04:22
The front part of the
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04:23
tongue pulls back.
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ๅพŒๆ–นใซๅผ•ใฃๅผตใ‚‰ใ‚Œใพใ™ใ€‚
04:24
So, with the W, the tongue is stretching.
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04:27
With the R, the tongue is sort of pulling up into itself.
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04:35
I think I just have a real interest in the human voice and how we produce sounds,
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็งใฏ ไบบ้–“ใฎๅฃฐใจใ€็งใŸใกใŒใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ้Ÿณใ‚’ๅ‡บใ™ใ‹ใ€
04:40
and vocal health, and this kind of thing.
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ๅฃฐใฎๅฅๅบทใชใฉใซๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
04:43
So that's where my interest lies, not so much
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€็งใฎ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใฏใใ“ใซใ‚ใ‚Šใ€
04:46
in even teaching a language, or, I mean, certainly not grammar!
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่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๆ•™ใˆใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใฏใ‚ใพใ‚Š้–ขๅฟƒใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
04:51
Sometimes teachers will correct
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04:53
my grammar in videos because it's not always perfect.
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ๆ–‡ๆณ•ใŒใ„ใคใ‚‚ๅฎŒ็’งใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใฏ้™ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใŸใ‚ใ€ๅ…ˆ็”ŸใŒใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใง็งใฎๆ–‡ๆณ•ใ‚’่จ‚ๆญฃใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ ใ€‚
04:56
It's all about your passion; follow your passion.
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ใ™ในใฆใฏใ‚ใชใŸใฎๆƒ…็†ฑๆฌก็ฌฌใงใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๆƒ…็†ฑใซๅพ“ใฃใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ ใ€‚
04:58
That's right.
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04:59
And so, like, pronunciation and the human voice, that's where it is for
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็™บ้Ÿณ ใจไบบ้–“ใฎๅฃฐใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒ็งใซใจใฃใฆใฎๅ ดๆ‰€ใงใ™
05:03
me.
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05:04
So what happened as far as getting your work up on YouTube?
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ใงใฏใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎไฝœๅ“ใŒ YouTube ใซใ‚ขใƒƒใƒ—ใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใพใงใซใฏไฝ•ใŒ่ตทใ“ใฃใŸใฎใงใ™ใ‹ ?
05:08
Did you first imagine
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05:13
putting a video of yourself up there and reaching just your students or more students?
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่‡ช่บซใฎใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใ‚’ใใ“ใซ่ผ‰ใ›ใฆใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ็”Ÿๅพ’ใ ใ‘ใ€ใพใŸใฏใใ‚ŒไปฅไธŠใฎ็”Ÿๅพ’ใซใƒชใƒผใƒใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๆœ€ๅˆใซๆƒณๅƒใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ‹?
05:16
No, actually, I didn't have students when I first started the videos.
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ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใ€ ็งใŒๆœ€ๅˆใซใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใ‚’ๅง‹ใ‚ใŸใจใใ€็”Ÿๅพ’ใฏใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
05:21
I first started
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05:22
the videos when I was living in Germany and I was studying at a language institute there,
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็งใŒใƒ‰ใ‚คใƒ„ใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใฆใ€ใƒ‰ใ‚คใƒ„ใฎ ่ชžๅญฆๅญฆๆ กใงๅ‹‰ๅผทใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใจใใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
05:26
so most of the people that in as in contact with were not American and also were not German:
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ใใฎใŸใ‚ใ€้€ฃ็ตกใ‚’ๅ–ใฃใŸไบบใฎใปใจใ‚“ใฉใฏ ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซไบบใงใ‚‚ใƒ‰ใ‚คใƒ„ไบบใงใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
05:32
they were from all over the world studying German.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใƒ‰ใ‚คใƒ„่ชžใ‚’ๅ‹‰ๅผทใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไธ–็•Œไธญใฎไบบใ€…ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚ .
05:35
And so I had a friend there from Turkey.
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใƒˆใƒซใ‚ณใ‹ใ‚‰ใฎๅ‹ไบบใŒใใ“ใซใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใƒใƒชใ‚ฆใƒƒใƒ‰ใฏ
05:38
And he was interested in American English because Hollywood is such a great exporter
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ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซ่‹ฑ่ชžใฎ ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„่ผธๅ‡บๅ›ฝใงใ‚ใ‚Š
05:43
of American English, and wanted to sound more American.
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ใ€ใ‚ˆใ‚Š ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซ็š„ใซ่žใ“ใˆใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ—ใŸใ‹ใฃใŸใฎใงใ€ๅฝผใฏใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซ่‹ฑ่ชžใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
05:47
So we just played around a little
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05:48
bit with a few of the sounds, and I was telling him, you know, what his tongue should be doing
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ใ„ใใคใ‹ใฎ้Ÿณใงๅฐ‘ใ—้Šใ‚“ใงใ€ ๅฝผใฎ่ˆŒใŒไฝ•ใ‚’ใ™ในใใ‹ใ€
05:54
and this kind of thing.
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ใใ—ใฆใ“ใฎ็จฎใฎใ“ใจใ‚’ๅฝผใซ่ฉฑใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
05:55
And he was like, wow, you're really good at that.
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ใใ—ใฆๅฝผใฏใ€ใ†ใ‚ใƒผใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใใ‚ŒใŒๆœฌๅฝ“ใซไธŠๆ‰‹ใ ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
05:57
And I thought: hmm,
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05:59
idea!
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ใ‚ขใ‚คใƒ‡ใ‚ข๏ผ
06:00
Actually, in undergrad, I studied computer science and in order to keep that skill set
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ๅฎŸใฏใ€ๅคงๅญฆ็”Ÿใฎ้ ƒใฏใ‚ณใƒณใƒ”ใƒฅใƒผใ‚ฟใƒผ ใ‚ตใ‚คใ‚จใƒณใ‚นใ‚’ๅ‹‰ๅผทใ—ใฆใ„ใฆ ใ€ใใฎใ‚นใ‚ญใƒซใ‚’็ถญๆŒใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซ
06:05
going, I had been wanting to make a website;
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06:08
I just didn't really have a topic yet.
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็งใฏใพใ ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใƒˆใƒ”ใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
06:09
But I knew that was something that I wanted to
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ใงใ‚‚ใ€ ใใ‚Œใฏ่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒไฝœใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใŸใ‚‚ใฎใ ใจใ‚ใ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใŸ
06:12
create and so when he told me he thought I was good at that, I thought, maybe that's
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ใฎใงใ€ๅฝผใŒ็งใซ ใใ‚ŒใŒๅพ—ๆ„ใ ใจ่จ€ใฃใŸใจใใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒ็งใฎ่€ƒใˆใชใฎใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸ
06:17
my idea.
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06:18
And so I made a few videos, put them on YouTube, connected them to a website, and
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ใใ“ใงใ€ใ„ใใคใ‹ใฎใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใ‚’ไฝœๆˆใ—ใฆ YouTube ใซๆŠ•็จฟใ—ใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใ‚’ Web ใ‚ตใ‚คใƒˆใซๆŽฅ็ถšใ—ใฆใ€
06:23
just went from there.
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06:24
And how, what was the reaction at first?
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๆœ€ๅˆใฎๅๅฟœใฏใฉใ†ใงใ—ใŸใ‹๏ผŸ
06:28
Nothing!
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06:29
There was no reaction for a long
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06:31
time.
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06:32
Why?
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06:33
Well, I wasn't doing them with a business mind; I wasn't promoting at all; I was just
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06:38
exploring, basically.
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ๅŸบๆœฌ็š„ใซใ€็งใฏใŸใ ๆŽข็ดขใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
06:40
And that was ok probably, at that point, or did it make you worried and nervous: nobody
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06:44
likes my approach?
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06:45
No it didn't make me worried and nervous, no, not at all, because I wasn't doing it
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06:49
for an audience.
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่ฆณๅฎขใฎใŸใ‚ใซใ‚„ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ใ‘ใงใฏใชใ„ใฎใงใ€ๅฟƒ้…ใ—ใŸใ‚Š็ทŠๅผตใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ—ใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
06:50
I was mostly doing it as a way to explore a website-production kind
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็งใฏไธปใซใ€ ใ‚ฆใ‚งใƒ–ใ‚ตใ‚คใƒˆๅˆถไฝœใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’ๆŽขๆฑ‚ใ™ใ‚‹ๆ–นๆณ•ใจใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใ‚’่กŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸ
06:56
of thing.
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06:57
It's great that you had this interest in both pronunciation and computers.
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็™บ้Ÿณใจใ‚ณใƒณใƒ”ใƒฅใƒผใ‚ฟใƒผใฎไธกๆ–นใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใใ‚Œใฆใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€‚
07:01
Yeah, no, definitely.
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07:02
You weren't an expert right?
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๅฐ‚้–€ๅฎถใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ‚ˆใญ๏ผŸ
07:04
It just got you more into thinking about
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ใใ‚Œใฏ ใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’ใ‚‚ใฃใจ่€ƒใˆใ•ใ›ใพใ—ใŸ
07:08
... In pronunciation?
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... ็™บ้Ÿณใง๏ผŸ
07:09
No, not pronunciation, I mean that I'm
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ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€็™บ้Ÿณใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚็งใฏ
07:12
just wondering, especially for people out there thinking about doing any kind of online
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ใŸใ ็–‘ๅ•ใซๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€‚็‰นใซใ€ ใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณใงไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’ใ—ใ‚ˆใ†ใจ่€ƒใˆใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไบบ
07:16
anything, but especially teaching, or students who want to study online, who might be a little
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ใ€็‰นใซใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณใงๅ‹‰ๅผทใ—ใŸใ„ไบบใ€ใพใŸใฏ ใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณใงๅ‹‰ๅผทใ—ใŸใ„ๅญฆ็”ŸใŒใ€ใƒ†ใ‚ฏใƒŽใƒญใ‚ธใƒผใ‚’ๅฐ‘ใ—ๆใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
07:20
afraid of technology thinking that they can't do it.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
07:23
It sounds like you kind of dove in.
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้ฃ›ใณ่พผใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่žใ“ใˆใพใ™ใ€‚
07:25
One step at a time.
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07:26
Oh totally.
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07:27
I mean, when I realized what I needed to learn, I learned it.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ ๅญฆใถๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซๆฐ—ใฅใ„ใŸใจใใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅญฆใณใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
07:30
I did not
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07:31
start Rachel's English at all with an idea of what it would be, like, in no way, and
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ใƒฌใ‚คใƒใ‚งใƒซใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžใŒใฉใ†ใชใ‚‹ใ‹ใจใ„ใ†่€ƒใˆใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆๅง‹ใ‚ใŸใ‚ใ‘ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Š
07:36
I'm still not sure what it will be.
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07:37
And that's important to the point now, because it's gotten, it's so well done now.
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07:39
I think that someone who hasn't followed you for as long as I have or as long as many other
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07:45
people here may have, would just think that wow that she just, boom, but it didn't happen
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07:49
that way.
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07:50
Definitely not.
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07:51
No, no.
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07:52
It grew.
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07:53
It started out in a dorm room in Germany.
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07:54
When was that, by the way?
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ใจใ“ใ‚ใงใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใ„ใคใฎใ“ใจใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
07:55
That was 2008.
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ใใ‚ŒใŒ 2008 ๅนดใฎใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
07:56
This October will be my 5th year anniversary of posting my first video.
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ไปŠๅนดใฎ 10 ๆœˆใงใ€ ๅˆใ‚ใฆๅ‹•็”ปใ‚’ๆŠ•็จฟใ—ใฆใ‹ใ‚‰ 5 ๅนดใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
08:00
Congratulations in advance.
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ใŠใ‚ใงใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
08:01
Thank you.
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08:02
That's great.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚ ็งใ‚‚่‹ฑ่ชžใฎ
08:03
I want to ask you more about the rhythm of English, because I focus a lot on that
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08:07
too.
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08:08
What techniques have you found most useful?
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08:10
Because there are a lot out there.
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08:12
Yeah, well, I'm still developing that actually.
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ใˆใˆใ€ใพใ‚ใ€็งใฏใพใ ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅฎŸ้š›ใซ้–‹็™บใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
08:15
But I've had a lot of fun recently working
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ใงใ‚‚ๆœ€่ฟ‘ใฏ็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใจไธ€็ท’ใซไป•ไบ‹ใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใŒใจใฆใ‚‚ๆฅฝใ—ใใฆใ€
08:17
with students where I actually take the actual words out of the picture, and we just work
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08:23
on rhythm.
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08:25
So, for example, let's just take that phrase da-da-DA-da: for example.
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08:33
And when you take the text out, you're just focusing
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08:35
on the rhythm.
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08:36
Then the main thing I have
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08:38
to do with my students is to make their short even shorter, duh duh duh duh, trying to make
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08:44
them comfortable with that kind of length; and then once they start having, like, the
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08:49
rhythmic language down, and they're comfortable with that contrast and with making things
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08:54
that short, then when they put the word back in it's just unreal how much better it sounds.
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็Ÿญใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’ไฝœใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซๆ…ฃใ‚Œใ‚‹ใจใ€่จ€่‘‰ใ‚’ๅ…ƒใซๆˆปใ™ใจใ€ ใใ‚ŒใŒใฉใ‚Œใ ใ‘่‰ฏใ่žใ“ใˆใ‚‹ใ‹ใฏ็พๅฎŸ็š„ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
08:59
And then they're so aware of the difference s if you don't hear it yourself, feel it
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09:02
yourself, then you're not going to catch it when people say it.
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09:05
Yeah.
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09:06
It's such a matter of boiling things down to the most simple units for teaching.
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ๆ•™ใˆใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใฎๆœ€ใ‚‚ๅ˜็ด”ใชๅ˜ไฝใซ็‰ฉไบ‹ใ‚’็…ฎ่ฉฐใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใ€ใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชๅ•้กŒใงใ™.
09:11
So, like the L consonant,and just drilling that,
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€L ๅญ้Ÿณใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ๅ˜่ชžใ‚„ใƒ•ใƒฌใƒผใ‚บใฎๆ–‡่„ˆใ‹ใ‚‰ๆŽ˜ใ‚Šไธ‹ใ’ใฆ
09:14
or in this case the rhythm, just drilling
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09:17
that, out of the context of the word or phrase.
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09:20
And then you know you can teach people that
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09:22
this rhythmic pattern can apply to all of these different words.
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ใ“ใฎใƒชใ‚บใƒŸใ‚ซใƒซใชใƒ‘ใ‚ฟใƒผใƒณใŒ ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎใ•ใพใ–ใพใชๅ˜่ชžใฎใ™ในใฆใซ้ฉ็”จใงใใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ไบบใ€…ใซๆ•™ใˆใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™.
09:25
And so, yeah, then as they really drill one word and one pattern,
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ 1 ใคใฎๅ˜่ชžใจ 1 ใคใฎใƒ‘ใ‚ฟใƒผใƒณใ‚’ๅฎŸ้š›ใซๆŽ˜ใ‚Šไธ‹ใ’ใฆใ„ใใ†ใกใซใ€
09:30
they're actually making themselves comfortable
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09:33
with the pattern that can be applied to tons of different words and sentences.
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09:36
And you said you're still developing this, so imagine where she's going to go with...
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09:41
Yeah, I'm excited about it!
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09:43
...teaching the stress and what I call "shrinking and linking".
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...ใ‚นใƒˆใƒฌใ‚นใจใ€็งใŒใ€Œ็ธฎๅฐใจใƒชใƒณใ‚ฏใ€ใจๅ‘ผใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’ๆ•™ใˆใพใ™ ใ€‚
09:49
I just wanted to go back to ask you, when you first started out and you were making
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ใ‚‚ใ†ไธ€ๅบฆใŠ่žใใ—ใŸใ„ใฎใงใ™ใŒใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆœ€ๅˆใซใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใ‚’ๅˆถไฝœใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใจใ
09:53
those videos, did you think about the fact that so many students don't have enough time
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ใ€้žๅธธใซ ๅคšใใฎ็”Ÿๅพ’ใŒๆŽˆๆฅญใงๅๅˆ†ใชๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’ๅ–ใ‚Œใชใ„ใจใ„ใ†ไบ‹ๅฎŸใซใคใ„ใฆ่€ƒใˆใพใ—ใŸใ‹
09:59
in the class?
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10:00
I mean, you were teaching a group of Korean students.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ ้Ÿ“ๅ›ฝไบบๅญฆ็”Ÿใฎใ‚ฐใƒซใƒผใƒ—ใ‚’ๆ•™ใˆใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
10:02
Yeah, that was about a year before I started the Rachel's English thing.
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10:07
Was part of it, were you also inspired or motivated to try to deliver something to
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10:13
individual students who wouldn't necessarily have that kind of attention to pronunciation?
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10:17
Well, yeah, in a way.
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10:18
When I was teaching at the institute in Boston, all of my students
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10:21
told me no one else cared about the pronunciation the way I did, and they really cared.
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็™บ้Ÿณใ‚’ๆฐ—ใซใ‹ใ‘ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไบบใฏ่ชฐใ‚‚ใ„ใชใ„ใจ่จ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
10:26
So they
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10:27
really wanted a teacher who really cared.
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10:28
Well, can you imagine someone who is trying to learn a language who's not concerned about
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ใ•ใฆใ€็™บ้Ÿณใ‚’ ๆฐ—ใซใ—ใชใ„่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆใผใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไบบใ‚’ๆƒณๅƒใงใใพใ™ใ‹
10:32
pronunciation?
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10:33
But it's true, what you're saying.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใงใ™ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ€‚ ๆ•™ๅธซใŒใใ‚Œใซ้›†ไธญใ—ใฆใ„ใชใ„ใจใ„ใ†ๅญฆ็”Ÿใ‹ใ‚‰ใฎ
10:34
I hear this complaint from a lot from
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ๅคšใใฎ่‹ฆๆƒ…ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€็งใฏใ“ใฎไธๆบ€ใ‚’่žใใพใ™
10:35
students that teachers aren't focusing on it.
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10:37
So definitely that was in the back of my mind and the videos were made completely for
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10:42
self-study.
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10:44
I know that teachers do use them in the classroom but
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10:46
my original idea was just to have a great resource to learn on their own because for
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10:52
me,
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10:54
since I left college, everything that I've had
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10:56
to know, I taught myself.
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใงๅญฆใถใŸใ‚ใฎๅ„ชใ‚ŒใŸใƒชใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚นใ‚’็”จๆ„ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ—ใŸ.
10:58
The library, or online resources, or whatever.
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11:01
I mean languages, computer stuff.
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11:04
That's interesting.
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11:05
I love that kind of learning.
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11:06
Well, I can see how that has benefitted you and
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11:08
your work.Yeah, definitely.
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11:10
Basically, I wanted to make something for English like I wished I was finding for French,
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11:14
and German, and Italian.
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11:16
So yeah, I thought it was really fun and I wanted to sort of provide
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11:21
this
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11:22
service for students.
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11:25
I think it's really interesting that you made them for self-study.
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ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ้ข็™ฝใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
11:28
You didn't really think about a teacher bringing them into the classroom
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11:32
. But now, I notice a lot of teachers using it in the flipped classroom model.
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ใ€‚ ใ—ใ‹ใ—ไปŠใ€ๅคšใใฎๆ•™ๅธซใŒๅ่ปขๆ•™ๅฎคใƒขใƒ‡ใƒซใงใใ‚Œใ‚’ไฝฟ็”จใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซๆฐ—ไป˜ใใพใ—ใŸ .
11:38
The other day, literally the other day, at a college where I was doing a workshop, teachers
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11:43
were talking about the problem we just talked about, about pronunciation and how students
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็งใŸใกใŒ่ฉฑใ—ๅˆใฃใŸๅ•้กŒใ€ ็™บ้Ÿณใ€ๅญฆ็”ŸใŒใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ
11:48
want more and what should
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11:50
they do because they don't feel trained enough.
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ๅๅˆ†ใซ่จ“็ทดใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใชใ„ใจๆ„Ÿใ˜ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงไฝ•ใ‚’ใ™ในใใ‹ใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸ .
11:53
I think that's a big reason why it's not...
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ใใ‚ŒใŒใใ†ใงใชใ„ๅคงใใช็†็”ฑใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™โ€ฆ
11:55
I think so, too.
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็งใ‚‚ใใ†ๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
11:56
I've had teachers say the same thing: I don't know how to teach
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็งใฏๆ•™ๅธซใซๅŒใ˜ใ“ใจใ‚’่จ€ใฃใฆใ‚‚ใ‚‰ใ„ใพใ—ใŸ ๏ผš็งใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’ๆ•™ใˆใ‚‹ๆ–นๆณ•ใŒใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“
11:59
that.
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12:00
So it's interesting because I'm a teacher trainer, and I used to think OK, well then
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็งใฏใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒใƒฃใƒผ ใƒˆใƒฌใƒผใƒŠใƒผใชใฎใง่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ใงใ™ ใ€‚ไปฅๅ‰ใฏๅคงไธˆๅคซใ ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใŒใ€
12:03
my job is to try to train up teachers to be able to do that
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็งใฎไป•ไบ‹ใฏ ใใ‚ŒใŒใงใใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซๆ•™ๅธซใ‚’ใƒˆใƒฌใƒผใƒ‹ใƒณใ‚ฐใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
12:07
and now I'm wondering if that is the best way because the other day these teachers were
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ใ‚ใ‚‹ๆ—ฅใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎๆ•™ๅธซใฏ
12:13
gathered
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12:14
at a college in New Jersey.
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ใƒ‹ใƒฅใƒผใ‚ธใƒฃใƒผใ‚ธใƒผใฎๅคงๅญฆใซ้›†ใพใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
12:15
And they were talking about this and then one teacher
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12:18
said, "You know there's this great teacher
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่จ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ใ€Œ
12:19
online, that teaches pronunciation.
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ใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณใง็™บ้Ÿณใ‚’ๆ•™ใˆใ‚‹็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ๆ•™ๅธซใŒใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
12:21
Students can just watch her, she's ..." and I knew she
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็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใฏ ๅฝผๅฅณใ‚’่ฆ‹ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚ๅฝผๅฅณใฏโ€ฆใ€
12:23
was going to say your name,
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12:24
and she said, Rachel's English!
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ใ€ใƒฌใ‚คใƒใ‚งใƒซใฎ ่‹ฑ่ชž๏ผ
12:27
True story.
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ๅฎŸ่ฉฑใ€‚
12:28
That's awesome!
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใงใ™๏ผ
12:29
I smiled to myself.
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็งใฏ่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใซๅพฎ็ฌ‘ใ‚“ใ ใ€‚
12:31
"I'm going to have a
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12:33
conversation with her!"
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12:34
What she said was, "What I do with my students is just, you know, ask them to watch those
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ๅฝผๅฅณใŒ่จ€ใฃใŸใ“ใจใฏใ€ใ€Œ็งใŒ็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใซใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏ ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎ
12:39
videos, and then do some stuff in class but then they watch on their
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ใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆใ€ใ‚ฏใƒฉใ‚นใงใ„ใใคใ‹ใฎใ“ใจใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซ้ ผใ‚€ใ“ใจใงใ™.
12:42
own or, and/or I learn from Rachel as a teacher how to do this in ways that I haven't been
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able to do from books or even from taking classes."
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ๆœฌใ‚„ ๆŽˆๆฅญใงใ•ใˆใงใใชใ‹ใฃใŸๆ–นๆณ•ใงใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’่กŒใ†ๆ–นๆณ•ใ‚’ๅ…ˆ็”Ÿใซๆ•™ใˆใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ใ€ ๆ•™ๅธซใซใ‚‚ๅฝน็ซ‹ใคใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’
12:54
It feels great to know that I'm providing something that can be helpful to teachers,
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ๆไพ›ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ€ใจใฆใ‚‚ใ†ใ‚Œใ—ใๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
13:00
too.
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13:01
Because you know teachers, obviously, it's one person, and they're reaching many,
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ๆ•™ๅธซใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ๆ˜Žใ‚‰ใ‹ใซใ€ ใใ‚Œใฏไธ€ไบบใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ้žๅธธใซๅคšใใฎไบบใซๆ‰‹ใ‚’ๅทฎใ—ไผธในใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€
13:07
many, many so if I can help the teacher, then there's just that many more people that are
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็งใŒๆ•™ๅธซใ‚’ๅŠฉใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚Œใฐใ€ใใ‚Œใ ใ‘ ๅคšใใฎไบบใ€…ใŒ
13:11
benefiting from it.
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ๆฉๆตใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ใฆใ„ใพใ™.
13:14
But yeah, I think that the idea of the flipped classroom is so great
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ๅ่ปขๆŽˆๆฅญใฎใ‚ขใ‚คใƒ‡ใ‚ขใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
13:17
because, you know, not only do the teachers not need to learn every single thing to teach
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13:23
directly, they can sort of be a curator of other resources, and oversee the process of
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13:28
learning for their students.
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็”Ÿๅพ’ใฎๅญฆ็ฟ’ใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ปใ‚นใ€‚
13:30
It's a very specific skill set to teach pronunciation, different
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็™บ้Ÿณใ‚’ๆ•™ใˆใ‚‹้žๅธธใซ็‰นๆฎŠใช ใ‚นใ‚ญใƒซใ‚ปใƒƒใƒˆใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€
13:33
maybe than the skills set to teach a language, and grammar,
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ใŠใใ‚‰ใ่จ€่ชžใ€ ๆ–‡ๆณ•ใ€
13:36
and classroom management.
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ใ‚ฏใƒฉใ‚น็ฎก็†ใ‚’ๆ•™ใˆใ‚‹ใ‚นใ‚ญใƒซใ‚ปใƒƒใƒˆใจใฏ็•ฐใชใ‚Šใพใ™.
13:37
You would know, and she would know that, better than anyone.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใ‚‚ใ€ๅฝผๅฅณใ‚‚ใใฎใ“ใจใ‚’่ชฐใ‚ˆใ‚Šใ‚‚ใ‚ˆใ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ† ใ€‚ ใใ†ใงใ™
13:39
That's right, so, you know, not every teacher needs to be a great musician and a you know
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ใ€ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใ™ในใฆใฎๆ•™ๅธซใŒ ๅ„ชใ‚ŒใŸใƒŸใƒฅใƒผใ‚ธใ‚ทใƒฃใƒณใงใ‚ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใฏใชใใ€ๆŽจๅฅจใงใใ‚‹ไป–ใฎใƒชใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚นใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚Œ
13:44
super great at teaching pronunciation if they know other resources that they can recommend.
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ใฐใ€็™บ้Ÿณใ‚’ๆ•™ใˆใ‚‹ใฎใŒ้žๅธธใซๅพ—ๆ„ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
13:48
Aren't we at a time in history, with education, where, you know, teachers can be facilitators,
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็งใŸใกใฏๆญดๅฒไธŠใ€ๆ•™่‚ฒใฎๆ™‚ไปฃ ใซใ€ๆ•™ๅธซใŒใƒ•ใ‚กใ‚ทใƒชใƒ†ใƒผใ‚ฟใƒผใ€
13:54
guides, curators, mentors, you know, if you want to learn to be a great pronunciation
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ใ‚ฌใ‚คใƒ‰ใ€ใ‚ญใƒฅใƒฌใƒผใ‚ฟใƒผใ€ใƒกใƒณใ‚ฟใƒผใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ๆ™‚ไปฃใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ‹๏ผŸ
14:00
teacher, fantastic; but if you don't or if you don't have the time, what's the point
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใใ†ใงใชใ„ๅ ดๅˆใ€ใพใŸใฏ ๆ™‚้–“ใŒใชใ„ๅ ดๅˆใฏใ€ใƒฌใ‚คใƒใ‚งใƒซใซ
14:05
of being a mediocre one, when you can go see Rachel.
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ไผšใ„ใซ่กŒใใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใฎใซใ€ๅนณๅ‡กใชไบบใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซไฝ•ใฎๆ„ๅ‘ณใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹ ใ€‚
14:07
Exactly, that's exactly right.
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ใพใ•ใซใ€ใใฎ้€šใ‚Šใงใ™ใ€‚
14:08
I mean, a good teacher is maybe one that knows, well,
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ ่‰ฏใ„ๆ•™ๅธซใจใฏใ€ใŠใใ‚‰ใใ€
14:12
this person teaches this so well, there's nothing more that I feel like I could add
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ใ“ใฎไบบใŒใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’ใจใฆใ‚‚ใ†ใพใๆ•™ใˆใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไบบใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ ็งใŒ่ฟฝๅŠ ใงใใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ†ใ‚‚ใฎใฏไฝ•ใ‚‚ใชใ„ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™
14:15
to it, let me point my students in that direction, let them work with the material, and then
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14:19
I can be here for questions and guidance, and that kind of thing.
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็งใฏ่ณชๅ•ใ‚„ใ‚ฌใ‚คใƒ€ใƒณใ‚นใชใฉใฎใŸใ‚ใซใ“ใ“ใซใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ .
14:22
I think it's so important.
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ใจใฆใ‚‚้‡่ฆใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
14:23
And I think, ultimately, it's just going to make education a lot better.
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ใใ—ใฆๆœ€็ต‚็š„ใซใฏใ€ ๆ•™่‚ฒใ‚’ใ‚ˆใ‚Š่‰ฏใใ™ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
14:26
Yeah, I think so, too.
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ใˆใˆใ€็งใ‚‚ใใ†ๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
14:27
So you had that experience teaching in a classroom.
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ ๆ•™ๅฎคใงๆ•™ใˆใŸ็ตŒ้จ“ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ๅ…ˆๆ—ฅใ€
14:30
Someone
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ใ‚ใ‚‹ไบบใŒ
14:31
the other day said, talking about 'ground teachers', or teachers on the ground.
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ใ€Œใ‚ฐใƒฉใ‚ฆใƒณใƒ‰ใƒป ใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒใƒฃใƒผใ‚บใ€ใ€ใพใŸใฏใ‚ฐใƒฉใ‚ฆใƒณใƒ‰ใฎใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒใƒฃใƒผใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
14:33
I love
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14:34
that.
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ใใ‚ŒใŒๅฅฝใใงใ™ใ€‚
14:35
Instead of, like, 'first life' or 'real life'.
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ใ€Œๆœ€ๅˆใฎไบบ็”Ÿใ€ใ‚„ใ€ŒๅฎŸ็”Ÿๆดปใ€ใฎไปฃใ‚ใ‚Šใซ ใ€‚
14:36
Are you a ground teacher also?
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ใ‚ใชใŸใ‚‚ใ‚ฐใƒฉใ‚ฆใƒณใƒ‰ใฎๅ…ˆ็”Ÿใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
14:38
I'm not right now, actually.
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็งใฏไปŠใ€ใใ†ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
14:39
You're not on the ground.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๅœฐไธŠใซใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
14:40
Not on the ground.
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ๅœฐไธŠใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
14:41
Yes, only in the cloud.
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ใฏใ„ใ€ใ‚ฏใƒฉใ‚ฆใƒ‰ใฎใฟใงใ™ใ€‚
14:43
But I do have plans to start developing,
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็งใฏ้–‹็™บใ‚’้–‹ๅง‹ใ™ใ‚‹่จˆ็”ปใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ๅฏพ้ขใงใฎ
14:47
some in-person maybe workshop kind of things, then
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14:50
maybe move more into longer-term classroom
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14:53
situation.
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14:54
I'm really not sure.
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14:55
I mean, I just, for every video I make I have ideas
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€็งใŒ ไฝœใ‚‹ใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใ”ใจใซใ€100ใฎใ‚ขใ‚คใƒ‡ใ‚ขใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™
14:58
for a hundred.
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15:01
I feel like I have a lot on my plate with what I'm doing virtually.
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15:04
And
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15:05
so, I do really want to move into that, because I think that in-person aspect is so interesting.
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15:10
Well, they can go hand-in-hand.
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ใพใ‚ใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏๆ‰‹ใ‚’ใคใชใ„ใง่กŒใใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
15:11
Can't they?
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใ‹๏ผŸ
15:12
They can.
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15:13
To throw out another term, the blended learning doesn't just have to
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ๅˆฅใฎ็”จ่ชžใ‚’ๆจใฆใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซใ€ๆททๅˆๅญฆ็ฟ’ใฏใ€
15:15
happen with the teacher flipping the classroom,
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ๆ•™ๅธซใŒๆ•™ๅฎคใ‚’ใฒใฃใใ‚Š่ฟ”ใ™ใ ใ‘ใง็™บ็”Ÿใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
15:16
it can also be, people are watching your videos, but then here you are in person to do something
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ไบบใ€…ใŒใ‚ใชใŸใฎใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€ ใ“ใ“ใงใฏใ€
15:20
that you couldn't do and then it's back to virtual...
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใงใใชใ‹ใฃใŸไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซ็›ดๆŽฅไผšใ†ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใงใใพใ™. ใใ‚Œใ‹ใ‚‰ไปฎๆƒณใซๆˆปใ‚Šใพใ™ ...
15:23
Definitely.
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้–“้•ใ„ใชใใ€‚
15:24
Definitely.
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็ตถๅฏพใ€‚
15:25
So I see myself moving in that direction at some point, but it's
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚ใ‚‹ๆ™‚็‚นใง่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒใใฎๆ–นๅ‘ใซ้€ฒใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ ใŒใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ
15:27
not in the short-term plan.
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็ŸญๆœŸ็š„ใช่จˆ็”ปใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“.
15:29
You just got back from a trip.
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ๆ—…่กŒใ‹ใ‚‰ๅธฐใฃใฆใใŸใ‚ใชใŸใ€‚
15:33
I did.
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ใ‚„ใฃใŸใ€‚
15:34
I was spying on you a little bit on the trip.
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็งใฏๆ—…่กŒไธญใซใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’ๅฐ‘ใ—ใ‚นใƒ‘ใ‚คใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
15:35
I don't usually spy.
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็งใฏ้€šๅธธใ€ใ‚นใƒ‘ใ‚คใ—ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
15:37
I made it easy.
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็ฐกๅ˜ใซใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
15:39
I guess it's easy for us to spy on each
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็งใŸใกใฏใŠไบ’ใ„ใ‚’ใ‚นใƒ‘ใ‚คใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใฏ็ฐกๅ˜ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ—ใ€
15:42
other and many others who are watching, so it's kind of fair.
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ไป–ใฎๅคšใใฎไบบใŒ่ฆ‹ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ ใใ‚Œใฏๅ…ฌๆญฃใชใ“ใจใงใ™.
15:45
So tell us where you were,
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ใงใฏใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใฉใ“ใซใ„ใŸใ‹ใ‚’ๆ•™ใˆใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
15:46
and also tell us, how much was work, how much was pleasure?
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ใพใŸใ€ใฉใ‚Œใใ‚‰ใ„ไป•ไบ‹ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ใฉใ‚Œใใ‚‰ใ„ ๆฅฝใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใ‹ๆ•™ใˆใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
15:49
Because I did see you met some
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็งใฏใ‚ใชใŸใŒไฝ•ไบบใ‹ใฎๅญฆ็”ŸใซไผšใฃใŸใฎใ‚’่ฆ‹ใŸใ‹ใ‚‰
15:51
students...
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15:52
I did... where you were.
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15:53
So tell us how that was
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15:54
. Well, I had my first-ever meetup, in Berlin.
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ใ€‚ ใˆใˆใจใ€็งใฏใƒ™ใƒซใƒชใƒณใงๅˆใ‚ใฆใฎใƒŸใƒผใƒˆใ‚ขใƒƒใƒ—ใ‚’ใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
15:58
Two students came.
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2ๅใฎๅญฆ็”ŸใŒๆฅใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
15:59
What?
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16:00
It was great!
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ใ‚ˆใ‹ใฃใŸ๏ผ
16:01
Not 200?
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200ใ˜ใ‚ƒใชใ„๏ผŸ
16:02
Not 200.
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200 ไบบใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚2 ไบบใฎ
16:04
Two students came, neither of
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16:06
them are German.
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ใƒ‰ใ‚คใƒ„ไบบใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
16:09
It was fantastic!
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใงใ™๏ผ
16:10
We sat down to coffee; we were there for about two
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็งใŸใกใฏใ‚ณใƒผใƒ’ใƒผใ‚’้ฃฒใฟใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚ ็งใŸใกใฏ็ด„2ๆ™‚้–“ใใ“ใซใ„ใฆ
16:12
hours and, just, discussed everything about who they are.
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ใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒ่ชฐใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใซใคใ„ใฆใ™ในใฆ่ฉฑใ—ๅˆใฃใŸ . ๅฝผใ‚‰ใ‚’ไบบใจใ—ใฆ็Ÿฅใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒ
16:16
It was just fantastic getting to know them as people.
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16:18
It was very motivating actually for me, to think these are real people,
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ๅฎŸ้š›ใซ็งใซใจใฃใฆใฏใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใŒๅฎŸๅœจใฎไบบ็‰ฉใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€
16:22
these are the people who are using my videos.
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็งใฎใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใ‚’ไฝฟ็”จใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไบบใ€…ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใจ่€ƒใˆใ‚‹ใฎใฏ้žๅธธใซๅˆบๆฟ€็š„ใงใ—ใŸ.
16:24
And, like, wow.
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16:25
I
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16:26
mean, it's easy sometimes, I think, to lose track of that when, as in my case, I'm only
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ ็งใฎๅ ดๅˆใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€
16:30
doing virtual teaching.
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ไปฎๆƒณๆ•™่‚ฒใฎใฟใ‚’่กŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚’่ฆ‹ๅคฑใ†ใฎใฏ็ฐกๅ˜ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
16:31
I'm doing no one-on-one teaching.
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ใƒžใƒณใƒ„ใƒผใƒžใƒณใง ๆ•™ใˆใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
16:33
Rachel, there are so many people out there who want to meet you at meetups in Brazil.
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ใƒฌใ‚คใƒใ‚งใƒซใ€ ใƒ–ใƒฉใ‚ธใƒซใฎใƒŸใƒผใƒˆใ‚ขใƒƒใƒ—ใงใ‚ใชใŸใซไผšใ„ใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไบบใŒใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
16:39
I know!
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็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹๏ผ
16:40
In Russia, in Taiwan
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16:41
. I'd love to do more, definitely.
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16:42
So, and you said you are interested in doing
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16:45
the on the ground workshops, so when are you going to...where?
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็พๅ ดใงใฎใƒฏใƒผใ‚ฏใ‚ทใƒงใƒƒใƒ—ใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใŠใฃใ—ใ‚ƒใ„ใพใ—ใŸใŒใ€ใ„ใค ...ใฉใ“ใซ่กŒใใฎใงใ™ใ‹?
16:50
Well, the most vocal group of people is in Brazil.
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16:53
Yes.
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16:54
So I will probably end up there at some
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16:56
point, I hope.
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ใ€็งใฏ้ก˜ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
16:57
I hope, fingers crossed.
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ๆŒ‡ใŒไบคๅทฎใ—ใŸใ“ใจใ‚’้ก˜ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
16:59
But also, you know, I live in New York City and that's
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17:02
such a melting pot, there's so many people there; it's crazy that I haven't done something
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ใ€ใใ“ใฏไบบ็จฎใฎใ‚‹ใคใผใงใ€ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎไบบใŒใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚ ใƒ‹ใƒฅใƒผใƒจใƒผใ‚ฏๅธ‚ใงไฝ•ใ‚‚ใ—ใฆใ„ใชใ„ใชใ‚“ใฆใŠใ‹ใ—ใ„
17:06
in New York City.
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ใ€‚ ใใ†
17:07
I should.
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ใ™ใ‚‹ในใใงใ™ใ€‚
17:08
Wow!
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ใŠใŠ๏ผ
17:09
We should talk about that.
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ใใ‚Œใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ™ในใใงใ™ใ€‚
17:10
We should!
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ๆˆ‘ใ€…ใฏใ™ในใ๏ผ
17:11
Great.
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็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ€‚
17:12
Rachel, I know a lot of people out there, both teachers and students who follow
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ใƒฌใ‚คใƒใ‚งใƒซใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’ ใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒญใƒผใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๆ•™ๅธซใจ็”Ÿๅพ’ใฎไธกๆ–นใŒ
17:15
you, are probably really interested to know how you make your videos.
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17:20
How do you make
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17:21
videos, how often do you do it, how long does it take, do you do it on your own, do you
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17:25
do it with other people's help...
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17:27
Yeah.
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17:28
Well, I try to do two a week and it takes, depending on the length of the video,
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17:34
it takes around ten hours per video.
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17:36
Ten hours per video.
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17:37
That includes editing
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ใใ‚Œใฏๆœ€ๅพŒใพใง็ทจ้›†ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๅซใฟใพใ™ใ‹
17:38
all the way to the end?
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17:39
Yeah, that includes everything: brainstorming, writing out the transcript, doing my hair
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ใˆใˆใ€ใใ‚Œใซใฏใ™ในใฆใŒๅซใพใ‚Œใพใ™: ใƒ–ใƒฌใƒผใƒณใ‚นใƒˆใƒผใƒŸใƒณใ‚ฐใ€ ใƒˆใƒฉใƒณใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒชใƒ—ใƒˆใฎไฝœๆˆใ€
17:43
and make-up, the lights, all of the set-up
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ใƒ˜ใ‚ขใƒกใ‚คใ‚ฏใ€ใƒฉใ‚คใƒˆใ€ใ™ในใฆใฎใ‚ปใƒƒใƒˆใ‚ขใƒƒใƒ—
17:46
. How much help do you get with all of that?
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. ใใฎใ™ในใฆใงใฉใ‚Œใ ใ‘ใฎๅŠฉใ‘ใŒๅพ—ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใพใ™ใ‹? ใŸใถใ‚“ๅŠๅนดใปใฉๅ‰ใพใงใ€
17:48
I had been doing it entirely on my own until about maybe six months ago.
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็งใฏๅฎŒๅ…จใซ่‡ชๅˆ†ใงใใ‚Œใ‚’ใ‚„ใฃใฆใ„ใŸ .
17:54
I had someone
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17:55
come in and help me, because rather than doing it at home, I started doing it at the YouTube
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17:59
studios in Manhattan, where they have all of the equipment already set up.
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18:02
That must have been really nice.
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18:03
It was great.
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18:04
It was fantastic.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใงใ™ใ€‚
18:05
But I have
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18:06
to have someone run the camera and the teleprompter and help me if I meant to say 'consonant'
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่ชฐใ‹ใซใ‚ซใƒกใƒฉใจใƒ†ใƒฌใƒ—ใƒญใƒณใƒ—ใ‚ฟใƒผใ‚’ๅ‹•ใ‹ใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใ‚‰ใฃใฆ ใ€ใ€Œๅญ้Ÿณใ€ใจ่จ€ใ†ใคใ‚‚ใ‚Šใ ใฃ
18:11
but accidentally said 'vowel'.
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18:12
That kind of thing happens all the time as I'm talking.
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็งใŒ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ€ใใ†ใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใŒใ—ใ‚‡ใฃใกใ‚…ใ†่ตทใ“ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
18:15
But yeah and then, there's, the editing takes quite a bit of time.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็ทจ้›†ใซใฏ ใ‹ใชใ‚Šใฎๆ™‚้–“ใŒใ‹ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
18:18
I try to put some of the IPA and text up on the video screen.
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IPA ใจใƒ†ใ‚ญใ‚นใƒˆใฎไธ€้ƒจใ‚’ใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ช็”ป้ขใซ่กจ็คบใ—ใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
18:21
Yeah, I noticed that you're doing more of that.
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ใˆใˆใ€็งใฏใ‚ใชใŸใŒใใ‚ŒไปฅไธŠใฎใ“ใจใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซๆฐ—ไป˜ใใพใ—ใŸ .
18:23
Typing up the transcript, making, you know,
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ใƒˆใƒฉใƒณใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒชใƒ—ใƒˆใ‚’ๅ…ฅๅŠ›ใ—ใฆใ€
18:25
an interactive transcript version for my website.
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็งใฎใ‚ฆใ‚งใƒ–ใ‚ตใ‚คใƒˆ็”จใฎใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒฉใ‚ฏใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใชใƒˆใƒฉใƒณใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒชใƒ—ใƒˆ ใƒใƒผใ‚ธใƒงใƒณใ‚’ไฝœๆˆใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
18:28
The whole process is about ten hours.
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18:29
How much of that process has evolved from when you first started?
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ใใฎใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ปใ‚นใฏใ€ๆœ€ๅˆใซๅง‹ใ‚ใŸใจใใ‹ใ‚‰ใฉใฎใใ‚‰ใ„้€ฒๅŒ–ใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ‹ ?
18:34
And how much have
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18:35
you changed, either, what you do, your approach to teaching pronunciation, and the video-making,
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18:41
in response to what students have told you, or
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็”Ÿๅพ’ใŒใ‚ใชใŸใซ่จ€ใฃใŸใ“ใจใ€ ใพใŸใฏ
18:44
teachers have told you they liked or didn't like?
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ๆ•™ๅธซใŒใ‚ใชใŸใซๅฅฝใใพใŸใฏ ๅซŒใ„ใ ใจ่จ€ใฃใŸใ“ใจใซๅฟœใ˜ใฆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ€็™บ้Ÿณใ‚’ๆ•™ใˆใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใฎใ‚ขใƒ—ใƒญใƒผใƒใ€ใŠใ‚ˆใณใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชไฝœๆˆใฎใ„ใšใ‚Œใ‹ใ‚’ใฉใฎใใ‚‰ใ„ๅค‰ๆ›ดใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ‹? ใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใฎไฝœใ‚Šๆ–นใ‚’ๅฝขไฝœใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใชใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ‰ใƒใƒƒใ‚ฏใฏใ‚ใพใ‚Š
18:45
Well, I guess I haven't actually gotten so much feedback that shapes how I make the
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18:50
videos, I more get, suggestions for topics which I try to do.
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ใ€็งใŒใ‚„ใ‚ใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใƒˆใƒ”ใƒƒใ‚ฏใซใคใ„ใฆใฎๆๆกˆใฏใ‚‚ใฃใจๅพ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚ ๅญ้Ÿณใ€ๆฏ้Ÿณใซ้–ขใ—ใฆใ€
18:55
Is there anything you haven't covered yet, as far as, consonants, vowels?
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ใพใ ใ‚ซใƒใƒผใ—ใฆใ„ใชใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹ ?
18:59
No.
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19:00
Well, I still have some blend work that I would
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19:02
like to do.
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19:03
But the sounds are pretty much
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19:04
there.
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ใใ“ใซใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
19:05
It's more fleshing out the rhythm.
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ใ‚ˆใ‚Šใƒชใ‚บใƒ ใซ่‚‰ไป˜ใ‘ใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
19:07
As I said, I feel like I've got sort of a
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็งใŒ่จ€ใฃใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€
19:10
gray idea of how I want that to go, so trying to sharpen that.
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็งใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’ใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ้€ฒใ‚ใŸใ„ใ‹ใซใคใ„ใฆใ€ใ‚ใ‚‹็จฎใฎ็ฐ่‰ฒใฎ่€ƒใˆใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซๆ„Ÿใ˜ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ ใใ‚Œใ‚’็ ”ใŽๆพ„ใพใใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™.
19:16
Really, I said before, for
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ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ€็งใฏๅ‰ใซ่จ€ใฃใŸใ€
19:18
every video I have I ideas for a hundred more.
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็งใŒๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใ”ใจใซใ€ใ•ใ‚‰ใซ100ใฎใ‚ขใ‚คใƒ‡ใ‚ขใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™.
19:22
I mean, I could right now write down a thousand
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€็งใŒไฝœใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใ†ใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใ‚’ไปŠใ™ใๆ›ธใ็•™ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™
19:24
videos that I would like to make.
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19:25
Do you?
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ๏ผŸ
19:26
Or do you just keep them like...
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19:27
I keep track as I go.
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19:29
But a lot of them
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19:30
are, like, I get an idea of a way to teach a sound and so then, that would be thirty-three
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19:34
different videos because I would do it for every sound, and that kind of thing.
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ใซๅฏพใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใ‚’่กŒใ†ใฎใงใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ33ใฎ็•ฐใชใ‚‹ใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ ใ€‚
19:37
Right, right.
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19:38
I just want to take this opportunity to say that if you are a teacher,
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ใ“ใฎ ๆฉŸไผšใซ่จ€ใ„ใŸใ„ใฎใฏใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆ•™ๅธซใ€
19:40
or even just a learner of English, or anything, if you wanted to write down your ideas and
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ใพใŸใฏ่‹ฑ่ชžใฎๅญฆ็ฟ’่€…ใชใฉใงใ‚ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใ€ ใ‚ขใ‚คใƒ‡ใ‚ขใ‚’ๆ›ธใ็•™ใ‚ใฆ
19:47
start video taping your ideas, it's so easy now.
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19:50
It is, yeah.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใ€‚
19:51
To get stuff out there.
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ใใ“ใซ็‰ฉใ‚’ๅ‡บใ™ใŸใ‚ใซใ€‚
19:52
Even, you know,
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ใงใ‚‚ใ€
19:53
starting like you did.
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19:54
Not with a mission to become what you've become, but just as
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19:56
an interest in what you were studying and learning.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๅ‹‰ๅผทใ—ใฆ ๅญฆใ‚“ใงใ„ใŸใ“ใจใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใงใ™.
19:59
Right, just exploring what's interesting.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€่ˆˆๅ‘ณใฎใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’่ชฟในใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€‚
20:00
Yeah, and, you know, at that point, to
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20:03
know anything about a website, design, was kind of unusal, compared to now.
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ใ‚ฆใ‚งใƒ–ใ‚ตใ‚คใƒˆใ‚„ใƒ‡ใ‚ถใ‚คใƒณใซใคใ„ใฆไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’็Ÿฅใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใ€ ไปŠใจๆฏ”ในใฆใกใ‚‡ใฃใจ็ใ—ใ„ใ“ใจใงใ—ใŸ.
20:08
Oh it's so easy now.
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ไปŠใฏใจใฆใ‚‚็ฐกๅ˜ใงใ™ใ€‚
20:10
You don't need to know anything now.
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ไปŠใฏไฝ•ใ‚‚็Ÿฅใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
20:12
Yeah, except that way you can focus on...
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ใˆใˆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ้›†ไธญใงใใ‚‹ๆ–นๆณ•ใ‚’้™คใ„ใฆ...
20:14
Right, the content.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใ€ๅ†…ๅฎนใงใ™ใ€‚
20:15
And not the vehicle to get it out there, but more, just, the content itself.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚’ไธ–ใซๅ‡บใ™ใŸใ‚ใฎๆ‰‹ๆฎตใงใฏใชใใ€ ใ‚ณใƒณใƒ†ใƒณใƒ„ใใฎใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
20:20
Which
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20:21
is great.
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็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
20:22
Yeah.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚ ๆ•™ๅธซใจใ—ใฆ็ฟ’ๅพ—ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใŒ็‰นใซ้›ฃใ—ใ„
20:23
Have you found any areas of teaching pronunciation that are particularly difficult to master
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็™บ้Ÿณใฎๆ•™ใˆๆ–นใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹
20:29
as a teacher?
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?
20:30
And I also wanted to ask you, from a student's perspective, if a student
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ใพใŸใ€ ๅญฆ็”Ÿใฎ่ฆ–็‚นใ‹ใ‚‰ใŠ่žใใ—ใŸใ„ใฎใงใ™ใŒใ€ๅญฆ็”ŸใŒ็™บ้Ÿณใง
20:33
is feeling frustrated with learning something in pronunciation, I wonder how much of that
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20:39
is due to, you know, the fact that it really is difficult because of their first language,
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20:44
learning English, or how much maybe is like, oh, I just didn't know this trick, or something.
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่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆใถใ“ใจใ€ใพใŸใฏๅคšๅˆ†ใฉใ‚Œใ ใ‘ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ‹ใ€ ใ‚ใ‚ใ€็งใฏใ“ใฎใƒˆใƒชใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‹ไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’็Ÿฅใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
20:48
Right.
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20:49
I guess I have a couple of different answers for that.
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ใ„ใใคใ‹ใฎ็•ฐใชใ‚‹็ญ”ใˆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
20:51
First is that I think that
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20:53
the rhythm is the most important thing in capturing the language, the character of the
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ใƒชใ‚บใƒ ใฏ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๆ‰ใˆใ‚‹ไธŠใงๆœ€ใ‚‚้‡่ฆใชใ“ใจใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€่จ€่ชž ใฎ็‰นๅพดใงใ‚ใ‚Š
20:58
language, much more important than sounds.
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ใ€้Ÿณใ‚ˆใ‚Šใ‚‚ใฏใ‚‹ใ‹ใซ้‡่ฆใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใจ็งใฏ่€ƒใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
21:01
Rhythm.
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21:02
Yeah, rhythm.
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21:03
You heard it here from the expert.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๅฐ‚้–€ๅฎถใ‹ใ‚‰ใ“ใ“ใงใใ‚Œใ‚’่žใใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
21:04
I'm
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21:05
so 100 percent behind you.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’100ใƒ‘ใƒผใ‚ปใƒณใƒˆๆ”ฏๆŒใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
21:07
And so it's been, as I said, I'm developing
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21:10
sort of my way for teaching that.
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ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๆ•™ใˆใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใฎไธ€็จฎใฎๆ–นๆณ•ใ‚’้–‹็™บใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™.
21:12
So that's coming along, but there's one topic that I'm
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21:17
actually still struggling with teaching, and that has to do with the placement of the voice.
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ๅฎŸ้š›ใซใฏใพใ ๆ•™ใˆใ‚‹ใฎใซ่‹ฆๅŠดใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใƒˆใƒ”ใƒƒใ‚ฏใŒ 1 ใคใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใฏๅฃฐใฎ้…็ฝฎใซ้–ขไฟ‚ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
21:22
So in American English...umm...uhhhh...that's our core sound.
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ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซ่‹ฑ่ชžใงใฏ...ใ†ใƒผใ‚“...ใ†ใƒผใ‚“...ใใ‚ŒใŒ ็งใŸใกใฎๆ ธใจใชใ‚‹้Ÿณใงใ™ใ€‚
21:27
It's very much so here.
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21:28
The schwa basically; the elongated schwa.
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ๅŸบๆœฌ็š„ใซใ‚ทใƒฅใƒฏใ€‚ ็ดฐ้•ทใ„ใ‚ทใƒฅใƒฏใ€‚
21:31
Exactly!
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21:32
And as a singer, I have dealt
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21:34
a lot with placement, but not in a very concrete way.
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ใŒใ€ใ‚ใพใ‚Šๅ…ทไฝ“็š„ใช ๆ–นๆณ•ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸ.
21:38
What do you mean by placement exactly?
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21:40
Well, no, exactly, that's part of why it's hard to explain, and something a lot of people
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ใˆใˆใจใ€ใ„ใ‚„ใ€ๆญฃ็ขบใซใฏใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒ ่ชฌๆ˜Žใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใŒ้›ฃใ—ใ„็†็”ฑใฎไธ€้ƒจใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ๅคšใใฎไบบใŒ
21:45
don't think about, but for me it's like, where does my voice live inside my body.
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่€ƒใˆใฆใ„ใชใ„ใ“ใจใงใ™ใŒใ€็งใซใจใฃใฆใฏใ€ ็งใฎๅฃฐใฏ็งใฎไฝ“ใฎใฉใ“ใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™.
21:51
And for me, and I think for Americans, it's generally
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21:53
a lot lower; other languages it tends to be more nasal.
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ใšใฃใจไฝŽใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ไป–ใฎ่จ€่ชžใงใฏใ€ ้ผปใซใ‹ใ‹ใฃใŸๅ‚พๅ‘ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
21:58
If I take American English as
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21:59
my base and I compare it to other languages, for example Mandarin.
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ใใ‚Œใ‚’ไป–ใฎ่จ€่ชžใ€ไพ‹ใˆใฐใƒžใƒณใƒ€ใƒชใƒณใจๆฏ”่ผƒใ™ใ‚‹ใจ ใ€‚
22:03
I've had some students
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22:04
that just have a very, very nasal delivery; and it also just has to do with the placement.
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้žๅธธใซ้ผปใฎๅˆ†ๅจฉใ‚’็ตŒ้จ“ใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใพใŸใ€้…็ฝฎใซใ‚‚้–ขไฟ‚ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
22:09
Their voice seems to live so much in their face, completely detached from the body.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฎๅฃฐใฏใ€ ไฝ“ใ‹ใ‚‰ๅฎŒๅ…จใซๅˆ‡ใ‚Š้›ขใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ€้ก”ใซใจใฆใ‚‚็”Ÿใใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใงใ™ใ€‚
22:15
Whereas
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22:16
for me, I think it really lives in the body and then the face is sort of where the shape
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22:20
of the sound will happen.
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22:24
So that's been sort of hard to teach because it's not at all like,"oh
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22:30
you need to round your lips a little bit more."
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22:32
It's not something that people can
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22:33
see that's concrete.
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22:35
It's like, where does your voice live in your body, that's sort
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22:37
of a difficult...
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22:38
Do you think people that develop high accuracy and fluency in their pronunciation, delivery
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22:44
through just experience; and, you know, just like anything else in language, they're not
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22:48
aware of what we're talking about; do you think that's the way, in this case?
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22:53
It sounds
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22:54
like the Holy Grail: if you can find where you're voice lives.
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่–ๆฏใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่žใ“ใˆใพใ™: ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎๅฃฐใŒ็”Ÿใใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅ ดๆ‰€ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚Œใฐใ€‚ ใใฎ่ชฟๆ•ดใŒใงใใ‚Œใฐใ€
22:58
You can go from sounding not quite right to sounding very American really quickly if
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ใพใฃใŸใๆญฃใ—ใใชใ„ใ‚ตใ‚ฆใƒณใƒ‰ใ‹ใ‚‰้žๅธธใซใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใƒณใชใ‚ตใ‚ฆใƒณใƒ‰ใซใ™ใฐใ‚„ใ็งป่กŒใงใใพใ™
23:03
you can make that adjustment.
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23:04
Does it come from just the input and the practice or is it something you could make
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ‚คใƒณใƒ—ใƒƒใƒˆใจ็ทด็ฟ’ใ‹ใ‚‰ๅพ—ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ‹ใ€ ใใ‚Œใจใ‚‚ใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใ‚’ไฝœใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ‹
23:08
a video for?
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?
23:10
I'm working on a video series for it right now, but also a lot of it can be achieved
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็งใฏ็พๅœจใ€ใใฎใŸใ‚ใฎใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ช ใ‚ทใƒชใƒผใ‚บใซๅ–ใ‚Š็ต„ใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ™ ใŒใ€ใใฎๅคšใใฏๆจกๅ€ฃใซใ‚ˆใฃใฆ้”ๆˆใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใงใใพใ™
23:16
through imitation.
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23:17
Yeah, but for some people they'll say "I know it's not right, but I
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ใˆใˆใ€ใงใ‚‚ใ€ ใ€Œใใ‚ŒใŒๆญฃใ—ใใชใ„ใ“ใจใฏใ‚ใ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€
23:21
don't know why it's not right."
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ใชใœๆญฃใ—ใใชใ„ใฎใ‹ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€ใจ่จ€ใ†ไบบใ‚‚ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
23:23
And often to me it's related to placement.
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ๅคšใใฎๅ ดๅˆใ€ ใใ‚Œใฏ้…็ฝฎใซ้–ข้€ฃใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
23:27
So I'm trying
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ใใ“ใงใ€
23:28
to make some videos that will talk about that in a concrete manner.
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ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅ…ทไฝ“็š„ใซ่ชžใ‚‹ๅ‹•็”ปใ‚’ไฝœใ‚ใ†ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
23:30
Also, I'm very lucky
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ใพใŸใ€
23:31
to have found a teacher who I'm working with now named Tom Kelly.
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็งใŒ็พๅœจไธ€็ท’ใซๅƒใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ ใƒˆใƒ ใƒปใ‚ฑใƒชใƒผใจใ„ใ†ๅๅ‰ใฎๅ…ˆ็”Ÿใซๅ‡บไผšใˆใŸใ“ใจใฏใจใฆใ‚‚ๅนธ้‹ใงใ™ใ€‚
23:35
And he is an actor and
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ๅฝผใฏไฟณๅ„ชใงใ€
23:37
he has a Master's in Acting from Harvard.
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ใƒใƒผใƒใƒผใƒ‰ๅคงๅญฆใงๆผ”ๆŠ€ใฎไฟฎๅฃซๅทใ‚’ๅ–ๅพ—ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
23:39
He has a great background, speech for the
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ๅฝผใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใƒใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚ฐใƒฉใ‚ฆใƒณใƒ‰ใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใŠใ‚Šใ€ใ‚นใƒ†ใƒผใ‚ธใงใฎใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใƒใ‚‚ๅพ—ๆ„ใงใ™
23:42
stage; and placement and how to make someone hear you in the very back of the theater and
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ใ€‚ ้…็ฝฎใจใ€ ๅŠ‡ๅ ดใฎไธ€็•ชๅพŒใ‚ใง่ชฐใ‹ใซใ‚ใชใŸใฎๅฃฐใ‚’่žใ‹ใ›ใ‚‹ๆ–นๆณ•ใจใ€
23:48
relaxation of the vocal apparatus and everything.
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็™บๅฃฐ่ฃ…็ฝฎใจใ™ในใฆใฎใƒชใƒฉใ‚ฏใ‚ผใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใ€‚ ๅฝผใฏ
23:51
Would you say he knows where his voice lives?
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎๅฃฐใŒใฉใ“ใซใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
23:53
I would say he does, and he seems to have
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็งใฏๅฝผใŒใใ†ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€ใใ—ใฆๅฝผใฏ
23:57
language about moving that around and some techniques for that.
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ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅ‹•ใ‹ใ™ใ“ใจใซใคใ„ใฆใฎ่จ€่ชžใจ ใใฎใŸใ‚ใฎใ„ใใคใ‹ใฎใƒ†ใ‚ฏใƒ‹ใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใงใ™.
24:02
So he and I are working
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ๅฝผใจ็งใฏไธ€็ท’ใซๅƒใ„ใฆใ„ใพใ™
24:03
together.
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24:04
So if you can learn from him, you can take
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ๅฝผใ‹ใ‚‰ๅญฆใถใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚Œใฐใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅ–ใ‚Šๅ…ฅใ‚Œใฆ
24:05
that and formulate it somehow.
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24:07
He and I are talking actively about a video
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ๅฝผใจ็งใฏใ€ไธ€็ท’ใซๅ–ใ‚Š็ต„ใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ช ใ‚ทใƒชใƒผใ‚บใซใคใ„ใฆๆดป็™บใซ่ฉฑใ—ๅˆใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™
24:10
series where we work together on that.
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24:12
That's really interesting.
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ใใ‚Œใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
24:13
So we can look
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€็งใŸใกใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’ใ‚‚ใฃใจๆฅฝใ—ใฟใซใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™
24:14
forward to more of that.
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24:16
Hopefully we'll figure out how to teach
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ใ†ใพใใ„ใ‘ใฐใ€็งใŸใกใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’ๆ•™ใˆใ‚‹ๆ–นๆณ•ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ๅ‡บใ™ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†
24:17
it.
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24:18
It's almost like "metaphysical."
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ€Œๅฝข่€ŒไธŠๅญฆใ€ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
24:21
Exactly!
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ใใฎ้€šใ‚Š๏ผ
24:22
That's why it's so hard.
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ใใ‚ŒใŒใจใฆใ‚‚้›ฃใ—ใ„็†็”ฑใงใ™ใ€‚
24:24
Rachel, not long ago I started teaching in a virtual classroom on WizIQ.
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ใƒฌใ‚คใƒใ‚งใƒซใ€ใคใ„ๆœ€่ฟ‘ใ€็งใฏ WizIQ ใฎไปฎๆƒณๆ•™ๅฎคใงๆ•™ใˆๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
24:30
I got hooked.
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็งใฏๅคขไธญใซใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
24:31
The first time I did it I dragged my feet getting into a virtual classroom.
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ๅˆใ‚ใฆใ‚„ใฃใŸใจใใฏใ€ ไปฎๆƒณๆ•™ๅฎคใซ่ถณใ‚’ๅผ•ใใšใ‚Š่พผใฟใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
24:37
As soon
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24:38
as I got in there, people were in the chat box meeting each other "Oh, I've seen you,
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็งใŒใใ“ใซๅ…ฅใ‚‹ใ‚„ใ„ใชใ‚„ใ€ไบบใ€…ใฏใƒใƒฃใƒƒใƒˆ ใƒœใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚นใงใŠไบ’ใ„ใซไผšใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
24:41
nice to see you there" She's talking, I have the mike and we're reaching all these people,
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24:46
the way you do with your videos.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ‚ใชใŸใฎใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใง่กŒใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
24:49
Have you done any work in a virtual classroom?
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ไปฎๆƒณๆ•™ๅฎคใงไป•ไบ‹ใ‚’ใ—ใŸใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹?
24:51
Not entirely, I do have an online course but it's focusing more on the student interacting
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ๅฎŒๅ…จใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€็งใฏใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณ ใ‚ณใƒผใ‚นใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ ใŒใ€็”Ÿๅพ’ใŒ
24:57
with the materials on their own and then one-on-one with me.
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ๆ•™ๆใ‚’่‡ชๅˆ†ใงๆ“ไฝœใ—ใ€ๆฌกใซ ็งใจ 1 ๅฏพ 1 ใงใ‚„ใ‚Šๅ–ใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซ้‡็‚นใ‚’็ฝฎใ„ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
25:00
Tell us about that.
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ใใ‚Œใซใคใ„ใฆๆ•™ใˆใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
25:02
What's your online course like.
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ใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณ ่ฌ›ๅบงใฏใ„ใ‹ใŒใงใ™ใ‹ใ€‚
25:03
Well, it's eight weeks, and basically I cover the topics that I found I work on the
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ใˆใˆใจใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ 8 ้€ฑ้–“ใงใ™ใ€‚ๅŸบๆœฌ็š„ใซใฏใ€ ็งใŒๆœ€ใ‚‚ๅ–ใ‚Š็ต„ใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ‚ใ‹ใฃใŸใƒˆใƒ”ใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚’
25:08
most with my private students.
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ๅ€‹ไบบใฎๅญฆ็”Ÿใจไธ€็ท’ใซๅ–ใ‚ŠไธŠใ’ใพใ™ใ€‚
25:12
But since there's so much one-on-one time, that doesn't really
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ 1 ๅฏพ 1 ใฎๆ™‚้–“ใŒ้žๅธธใซๅคšใ„ใŸใ‚ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใ‚ใพใ‚Š
25:14
matter.
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้‡่ฆใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
25:15
If something they need to work or isn't covered in the course, we work on it
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒๅ–ใ‚Š็ต„ใ‚€ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ€ใพใŸใฏ ใ‚ณใƒผใ‚นใงใ‚ซใƒใƒผใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใชใ„ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Œใฐใ€ไธ€็ท’ใซๅ–ใ‚Š็ต„ใฟใพใ™
25:19
together.
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25:20
It's always one-on-one or do you do small groups?
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25:22
It's always one-on-one.
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ใ„ใคใ‚‚ไธ€ๅฏพไธ€ใงใ™ใ€‚
25:23
Do you Skype?
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ใ‚นใ‚ซใ‚คใƒ—ใ‚’ไฝฟใ„ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
25:25
Yeah, we Skype.
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ใˆใˆใ€็งใŸใกใฏSkypeใงใ™ใ€‚
25:26
But actually, Tom, the teacher I was talking about, is teaching a
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25:30
course for me right now.
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25:31
So I did it four times; he's doing it twice, and I think we're
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰็งใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’4ๅ›žใ‚„ใฃใŸ ใ€‚ ๅฝผใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’ 2 ๅ›ž่กŒใฃใฆใŠใ‚Šใ€
25:36
going to have a good enough sense for what worked well and what could work better that
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25:40
when he's done we're going to brainstorm and I think really revamp it to include much more
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25:45
of that sort of, you know, one to five kind of thing.
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1 ใ‹ใ‚‰ 5 ็จฎ้กžใฎ ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
25:48
Once you're more certain about what people share, their needs.
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ไบบใ€…ใŒไฝ•ใ‚’ ๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฎใƒ‹ใƒผใ‚บใ‚’ใ‚ˆใ‚Šๆ˜Ž็ขบใซใ—ใŸใ‚‰ใ€‚
25:52
I haven't done it yet, but I'm looking forward to it because I think that when students
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ใพใ ่กŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€
25:58
can hear another student being coached and they're not actively engaged in having to
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26:03
react, they can just watch, I think that's a great opportunity for learning, too.
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ๆฅฝใ—ใฟใซใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ ๅญฆใถๆฉŸไผšใ‚‚ใ€‚
26:06
Yeah, I agree.
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ใˆใˆใ€ๅŒๆ„ใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
26:07
And then also you can meet more private students this way because more
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ใพใŸใ€ใ‚ˆใ‚Š ๅคšใใฎ
26:10
people will come into those classrooms.
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ไบบใŒใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎๆ•™ๅฎคใซๆฅใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ใ“ใฎๆ–นๆณ•ใงใ‚ˆใ‚Šๅคšใใฎใƒ—ใƒฉใ‚คใƒ™ใƒผใƒˆๅญฆ็”Ÿใซไผšใ†ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™.
26:12
They learn from each other, they learn from me; I think it's fantastic.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใŠไบ’ใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰ๅญฆใณใ€ ็งใ‹ใ‚‰ๅญฆใณใพใ™ใ€‚ ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
26:15
And also
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ใพใŸใ€
26:19
knowing people from all over the world is such a cool thing.
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ไธ–็•Œไธญใฎไบบใ€…ใ‚’็Ÿฅใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏ ใจใฆใ‚‚ใ‚ฏใƒผใƒซใชใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
26:22
You know, when I first
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็งใŒๆœ€ๅˆใซ
26:23
started doing this and they were getting popular and so people were asking me, "Do you teach?"
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ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’ๅง‹ใ‚ใŸใจใใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏไบบๆฐ—ใ‚’ๅšใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใฎใงใ€ ไบบใ€…ใฏ็งใซใ€Œใ‚ใชใŸใฏๆ•™ใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸใ€ใจๅฐ‹ใญใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
26:28
and I hadn't yet ever online.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใฏใพใ ใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณใซใชใฃใŸใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
26:30
And that must have just really shocked people to hear that.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚’่žใ„ใŸไบบใ€…ใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ‚ทใƒงใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ใŸใซ้•ใ„ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
26:34
It was crazy.
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ใ‚ฏใƒฌใ‚คใ‚ธใƒผใ ใฃใŸใ€‚
26:35
Yeah, and so I wasn't sure how beneficial it would be to teach someone
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ใˆใˆใ€ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€
26:40
on Skype, you know, with pronunciation especially when you've got the mike and the speaker thing.
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็‰นใซ ใƒžใ‚คใ‚ฏใจใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ซใƒผใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใฏใ€Skypeใง่ชฐใ‹ใซ็™บ้Ÿณใ‚’ๆ•™ใˆใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใฉใ‚Œใปใฉๆœ‰็›Šใ‹ใฏใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸ.
26:45
So what's it like?
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
26:46
It's been great!
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใงใ™๏ผ ใ‚ใ‚‹ๆ—ฅใ€
26:47
So if I invited you into a virtual classroom one day, would you accept?
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ใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’ไปฎๆƒณๆ•™ๅฎคใซๆ‹›ๅพ…ใ—ใŸใ‚‰ ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๅ—ใ‘ๅ…ฅใ‚Œใพใ™ใ‹?
26:50
I would love it.
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็งใฏใใ‚ŒใŒๅคงๅฅฝใใงใ™ใ€‚ ใฉใ‚“ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ‹
26:51
I would love to see what that's like.
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่ฆ‹ใฆใฟใŸใ„ใงใ™ ใ€‚
26:54
I'm teaching with students but also I have a plan to bring teachers together coming up.
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็งใฏ็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใจไธ€็ท’ใซๆ•™ใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€ ๆ•™ๅธซใŸใกใ‚’้›†ใ‚ใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ„ใ†่จˆ็”ปใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ ใŠๆฅฝใ—ใฟใซ
26:58
Stay tuned for that.
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ใ€‚
26:59
Of course, I'd love for you to come.
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ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€ๆฅใฆใ„ใŸใ ใใŸใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
27:02
Yeah, that'd be great!
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ใˆใˆใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†๏ผ
27:03
Excellent!
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็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„๏ผ
27:04
Rachel, it's such an honor and privilege to have you here.
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ใƒฌใ‚คใƒใ‚งใƒซใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’ใ“ใ“ใซ่ฟŽใˆใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใฆใจใฆใ‚‚ๅ…‰ๆ „ใงใ™ใ€‚
27:06
Thank you for having me.
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ๅ‘ผใ‚“ใงใใ‚Œใฆใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€‚
27:07
It's been very fun.
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ใจใฆใ‚‚ ๆฅฝใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใงใ™ใ€‚
27:08
And this is the first episode or edition of "The Best in ELT with Fluency MC" so I'm
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ ใ€ŒThe Best in ELT with Fluency MCใ€ใฎๆœ€ๅˆใฎใ‚จใƒ”ใ‚ฝใƒผใƒ‰ใพใŸใฏใ‚จใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใชใฎใงใ€
27:12
really, really happy you agreed to come and it was great talking to you.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆฅใฆใใ‚ŒใŸใ“ใจใ‚’ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅฌ‰ใ—ใๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚ใชใŸใจ่ฉฑใ›ใฆใ‚ˆใ‹ใฃใŸใงใ™.
27:15
Yeah, you too.
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ใˆใˆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใ‚‚ใ€‚
27:16
I hope everybody enjoyed this conversation; I know I did.
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็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใŒใ“ใฎไผš่ฉฑใ‚’ๆฅฝใ—ใ‚“ใงใ„ใŸใ ใ‘ใ‚Œใฐๅนธใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚ ็งใŒใ—ใŸใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
27:20
And please stay tuned for further
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ใพใŸใ€WizIQ ใ ใ‘ใฎ
27:22
editions of "The Best in ELT with Fluency MC" only in WizIQ.
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ใ€ŒThe Best in ELT with Fluency MCใ€ใฎไปŠๅพŒใฎใ‚จใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใซใ‚‚ใ”ๆœŸๅพ…ใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
27:27
Thanks so much.
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ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€‚
27:28
Peace and much respect.
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ๅนณๅ’Œใจ ๅคšใใฎๆ•ฌๆ„ใ€‚
27:30
Don't stop there!
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ใใ“ใงๆญขใพใ‚‰ใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„๏ผ
27:31
learn more about us and our work.
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็งใŸใกใจ็งใŸใกใฎไป•ไบ‹ใซใคใ„ใฆใ‚‚ใฃใจๅญฆใณใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
27:33
See my playlist, 'American English in Real Life' or Jase's playlist, Collotunes.
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็งใฎใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใƒชใ‚นใƒˆใ€ŒAmerican English in Real Lifeใ€ใพใŸใฏ Jase ใฎใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใƒชใ‚นใƒˆใ€Collotunes ใ‚’ใ”่ฆงใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
27:39
And the producer of this video, Vicki, has fun minute English lessons you'll want to
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ“ใฎใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใฎใƒ—ใƒญใƒ‡ใƒฅใƒผใ‚ตใƒผใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใƒดใ‚ฃใƒƒใ‚ญใƒผใฏใ€
27:44
be sure to check out.
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ใœใฒใƒใ‚งใƒƒใ‚ฏใ—ใŸใ„ๆฅฝใ—ใ„่‹ฑ่ชžใฎใƒฌใƒƒใ‚นใƒณใ‚’ๆไพ›ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™.
27:45
Thanks for watching!
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่ฆ‹ใฆใใ‚Œใฆใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†๏ผ

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ใ“ใฎใ‚ตใ‚คใƒˆใงใฏ่‹ฑ่ชžๅญฆ็ฟ’ใซๅฝน็ซ‹ใคYouTubeๅ‹•็”ปใ‚’็ดนไป‹ใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚ไธ–็•Œไธญใฎไธ€ๆต่ฌ›ๅธซใซใ‚ˆใ‚‹่‹ฑ่ชžใƒฌใƒƒใ‚นใƒณใ‚’่ฆ‹ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚ๅ„ใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใฎใƒšใƒผใ‚ธใซ่กจ็คบใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹่‹ฑ่ชžๅญ—ๅน•ใ‚’ใƒ€ใƒ–ใƒซใ‚ฏใƒชใƒƒใ‚ฏใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ€ใใ“ใ‹ใ‚‰ใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใ‚’ๅ†็”Ÿใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚ๅญ—ๅน•ใฏใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใฎๅ†็”ŸใจๅŒๆœŸใ—ใฆใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒญใƒผใƒซใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚ใ”ๆ„่ฆ‹ใƒปใ”่ฆๆœ›ใŒใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ‚‰ใ€ใ“ใกใ‚‰ใฎใŠๅ•ใ„ๅˆใ‚ใ›ใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒผใƒ ใ‚ˆใ‚Šใ”้€ฃ็ตกใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚

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