Schools Are Killing Your English Fluency | Gabriel Wyner from Fluent Forever

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋œ ์ž๋ง‰์€ ๊ธฐ๊ณ„ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

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Learning a new language is an adventure. It isย  such an exciting and mind-opening experience.ย ย 
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์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ชจํ—˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ๊ณ  ๋งˆ์Œ์„ ์—ฌ๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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But the way they are taught traditionallyย  in most schools can be inefficient,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ์ „ํ†ต์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์€ ๋น„ํšจ์œจ์ ์ด๊ณ ,
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frustrating, and even intimidating. - I want peopleย not wasting their time i thinkย ย 
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์‹ค๋ง์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ณ , ์‹ฌ์ง€์–ด ์œ„ํ˜‘์ ์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. - ๋‚˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋‚ญ๋น„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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a lot of people spend a long time spinning theirย  wheels with language learning, and like languageย ย 
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๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์˜ค๋žœ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํ• ์• ํ•˜๊ณ  ์–ธ์–ด
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learning is so important, especially when we'reย  talking about learning English in today's economy.ย ย 
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ํ•™์Šต๊ณผ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€๋กœ ํŠนํžˆ ์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚ ์˜ ๊ฒฝ์ œ์—์„œ ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๋•Œ ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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And the idea of people spending, you know, hoursย  or years trying to memorize translations or tryingย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋ฒˆ์—ญ์„ ์•”๊ธฐํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
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to not use based repetition, or trying to not useย  pronunciation early on like, that that hurts me.
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๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜ ๋ฐ˜๋ณต์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ดˆ๊ธฐ์— ๋ฐœ์Œ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ ค๊ณ  ๋ช‡ ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋˜๋Š” ๋ช‡ ๋…„์„ ์†Œ๋น„ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ์ €๋ฅผ ์•„ํ”„๊ฒŒ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:39
And so, I guess my main ask is don't do that,ย  like, learn about what will save you time,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ ์ฃผ๋œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์ ˆ์•ฝํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€,
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the hours you spend in the beginning or even nowย  like even if you're halfway through, if you spendย ย 
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์ฒ˜์Œ์— ์†Œ๋น„ํ•˜๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์‹ฌ์ง€์–ด ์ง€๊ธˆ ์ค‘๊ฐ„์— ๊ฐ€๋”๋ผ๋„
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two, three, four, hours trying to learn how to doย  this more efficiently it will save you hundreds ofย ย 
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๋‘ ์„ธ ๊ฐœ๋ฅผ ์“ด๋‹ค๋ฉด , 4, ์ด ์ž‘์—…์„ ๋” ํšจ์œจ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋ ค๊ณ  ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํˆฌ์žํ•˜๋ฉด ์žฅ๊ธฐ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ˆ˜๋ฐฑ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์ ˆ์•ฝํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
00:56
hours in the long term. And so, take the time,ย  take the time to figure things out. Figure outย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ํŒŒ์•…ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
01:02
how your brain works, what actually makes youย  feel like you're learning at a rapid rate. Ifย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋‘๋‡Œ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€, ๋ฌด์—‡์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ๋น ๋ฅธ ์†๋„๋กœ ํ•™์Šตํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋Š๋ผ๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ์•„๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
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it doesn't feel like you're learning you're probably not. And then go run after that.ย 
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๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋Š๊ปด์ง€์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋ฉด ์•„๋งˆ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์„œ ๋‹ฌ๋ ค๊ฐ€์„ธ์š”.
01:13
Today Gabriel, from Fluent Forever,ย  will share what you really need toย ย 
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์˜ค๋Š˜์€ Fluent Forever์˜ Gabriel์ด
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know about fluency, language learning, andย  the importance of setting the right goals.ย 
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์œ ์ฐฝ์„ฑ, ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต ๋ฐ ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅธ ๋ชฉํ‘œ ์„ค์ •์˜ ์ค‘์š”์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์•Œ์•„์•ผ ํ•  ์‚ฌํ•ญ์„ ๊ณต์œ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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Gabe, welcome to the show - Thank you for having me.
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Gabe, ์‡ผ์— ์˜ค์‹  ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ™˜์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ดˆ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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So I'm so happy to have Gabriel on theย  show because here at RealLife Englishย ย 
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ RealLife English์—์„œ๋Š”
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we bring the worldโ€™s most influential onlineย  teachers and experts so you can rediscoverย ย 
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์„ธ๊ณ„์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์˜ํ–ฅ๋ ฅ ์žˆ๋Š” ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ ๊ต์‚ฌ์™€ ์ „๋ฌธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ชจ์…” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด
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the adventure of English learning. Just like Lucy who says that ourย ย 
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์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์˜ ๋ชจํ—˜์„ ์žฌ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ฐ€๋ธŒ๋ฆฌ์—˜์„ ์‡ผ์— ์ถœ์—ฐํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜์–ด ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธฐ์ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ
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lessons have shown her that learningย  a language can be fun and meaningful!ย 
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์ˆ˜์—…์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๊ณ  ์˜๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” Lucy์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ!
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Subscribe now so every week you can joinย  our lessons that will help you understandย ย 
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01:57
fast-spoken English, be understoodย  by anyone, and connect to the world.ย 
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๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ณ , ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋‚˜ ์ดํ•ด๋˜๊ณ , ์„ธ์ƒ๊ณผ ์†Œํ†ตํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฐ•์˜์— ๋งค์ฃผ ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ์ง€๊ธˆ ๊ตฌ๋…ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
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To start off, let me ask you a question: What doesย  FLUENCY mean to you? Pause the video for a secondย ย 
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๋จผ์ € ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ•˜๋‚˜ ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. FLUENCY๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์–ด๋–ค ์˜๋ฏธ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”? ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์ž ์‹œ ๋ฉˆ์ถ”๊ณ 
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and write in the comments down below: "I'll be fluent when I ..."ย 
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์•„๋ž˜์— ๋Œ“๊ธ€์„ ์ž‘์„ฑํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. "I'll be fluent when I ..."
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This is a tricky question because theย  definition of FLUENCY is so broad. Eachย ย 
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ FLUENCY์˜ ์ •์˜๊ฐ€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ด‘๋ฒ”์œ„ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กœ์šด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ
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person may have a different idea of what thatย  means. Let's take a look at what Gabriel,ย ย 
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์˜๋ฏธํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ”๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค๋ฅผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
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who has learned eight languages and built aย  successful business out of it says about that.ย 
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8๊ฐœ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์ด๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์„ฑ๊ณต์ ์ธ ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์ถ•ํ•œ Gabriel์˜ ๋ง์„ ์‚ดํŽด๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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We tend to use these these labels that don't meanย  a lot. The word fluency like it's, you know, partย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํฐ ์˜๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์—†๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋ผ๋ฒจ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์œ ์ฐฝํ•จ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋‹จ์–ด๋Š”
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of my company name, it's part of my book name,ย  and yet I hate that word like, it doesn't meanย ย 
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์ œ ํšŒ์‚ฌ ์ด๋ฆ„์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€์ด๊ณ  ์ œ ์ฑ… ์ด๋ฆ„์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋‹จ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์‹ซ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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anything, it means I feel good, and you can haveย  a person who feels good in a coffee shop who is
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by the european scale B1, on the CEFR scale,ย  and feels good and feels fluent and there'sย ย 
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์œ ๋Ÿฝ โ€‹โ€‹๊ทœ๋ชจ B1, CEFR ๊ธฐ์ค€์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์ปคํ”ผ์ˆ์—์„œ ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์ข‹๊ณ , ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์ข‹๊ณ  ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๋ฉฐ
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nothing... You can't tell that person, "Well,ย  I'm sorry you're feeling too good about thisย ย 
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์•„๋ฌด๊ฒƒ๋„ ์—†๋Š”... ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ "๊ธ€์Ž„, ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ๋‚˜๋น ์„œ ๋ฏธ์•ˆํ•ด ์ด๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ข‹์•„
03:00
you should feel worse about what you know." Likeย  that person is fluent in coffee shop Spanishย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ๋‚˜๋น ์ ธ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค." ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์ปคํ”ผ์ˆ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ
03:06
and that's legitimate. Whereas you can have otherย  people who will never feel comfortable, they willย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ•ฉ๋ฒ•์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๊ฒฐ์ฝ” ํŽธํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€
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keep learning words and they will eventually hitย  a level that is beyond the average native speaker,ย ย 
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๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ์—๋Š” ํ‰๊ท ์ ์ธ ์›์–ด๋ฏผ ์ˆ˜์ค€์„ ๋„˜์–ด์„œ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:17
and they will still say, "I am not fluent" becauseย  like this is I feel like, what is that is that theย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ โ€‹โ€‹"๋‚˜๋Š” ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด
03:22
Dunning-Kruger curve? The idea the more you knowย  that the less confident you get? - Right, yeah. Iย ย 
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Dunning-Kruger ๊ณก์„ ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ์•Œ์ˆ˜๋ก ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์ด ๋–จ์–ด์ง„๋‹ค๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ๋“œ์‹œ๋‚˜์š”? - ๋งž์•„์š”. ๋‚ด
03:26
mean, that is a real thing and you have certainlyMย  the longer I spend in Japanese the more I
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๋ง์€, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ง„์งœ์ด๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ™•์‹คํžˆM ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ผ๋ณธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋” ์˜ค๋ž˜ ์“ธ์ˆ˜๋ก ๋” ๋งŽ์ด
03:32
feel like, "Oh my God, this is endless, like, thisย  is just, there's so much to learn." And so will Iย ย 
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๋Š๋ผ๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๋‚ด๊ฐ€
03:37
ever feel fluent fluent in Japanese? Like probablyย  will not feel fully comfortable in that thing, butย ย 
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์ผ๋ณธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”? ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ํŽธํ•˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ
03:43
at a point that I can do like live translation forย  someone, which is a brutal thing to do, if I canย ย 
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์œ„ํ•ด ์‹ค์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์‹œ์ ์—์„œ, ์ž”์ธํ•œ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ
03:50
do that, if I can like really watch anime seriesย  comfortably and feel good about them, if I canย ย 
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์ •๋ง ํŽธ์•ˆํ•˜๊ณ  ์• ๋‹ˆ๋ฉ”์ด์…˜ ์‹œ๋ฆฌ์ฆˆ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์„ ๋•Œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ข‹์€ ์ ์€, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€
03:55
read manga like, at that point, I will say, "Okay,ย  Gabe, like chill like, you're probably fluent."
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๋งŒํ™”๋ฅผ ์ฝ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ ์‹œ์ ์—์„œ "์ข‹์•„, Gabe, ๋งˆ์น˜ ๋ƒ‰์ •ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:00
- Time for the next language. - Yeah, I mean, I think the european scale isย ย 
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- ๋‹ค์Œ ์–ธ์–ด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. - ๋„ค, ์ œ ๋ง์€, ์ œ ๋ง์€ ์œ ๋Ÿฝ์‹ ์ฒ™๋„๊ฐ€ ์ข‹์€ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:04
a nice one, I think the CEFR scale that goes youย  know, A1, A2, B1, B2, C1, C2 is a valuable scale.ย ย 
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A1, A2, B1, B2, C1, C2์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ CEFR ์ฒ™๋„๋Š” ๊ฐ€์น˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ฒ™๋„๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:14
And I think C1 is a reasonable place to put theย  line where if you if you have a C1 certificationย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— C1์€ C1 ์ธ์ฆ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
04:21
I think you can pretty reasonably say to anyone,ย  "Hey, like, I'm fluent in this thing" andย ย 
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๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋‚˜ ๊ฝค ํ•ฉ๋ฆฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:28
not be unreasonable, but that said like I showedย  up to Austria with aCc1 certification in Germanย ย 
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๋…์ผ์–ด๋กœ aCc1 ์ธ์ฆ์„ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ์˜ค์ŠคํŠธ๋ฆฌ์•„์— ๊ฐ”๋‹ค๊ฐ€
04:36
and I went to like a normal like aย  farmer's market and I died, like,ย ย 
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๋†์‚ฐ๋ฌผ ์งํŒ์žฅ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ํ‰๋ฒ”ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ”๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์ฃฝ์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‹์œผ๋กœ์š”
04:40
it was just brutal like they were speaking toย  me in dialect and I had someone gave me a likeย ย 
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04:46
a two-minute speech on how to take care of a basilย  plant and the only word I picked up was "water."
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๋ฐ”์งˆ ์‹๋ฌผ์„ ๊ด€๋ฆฌํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ 2๋ถ„์งœ๋ฆฌ ์—ฐ์„ค์—์„œ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋“ค์—ˆ๋˜ ์œ ์ผํ•œ ๋‹จ์–ด๋Š” '๋ฌผ'์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:53
And this is with the C1 certification, so likeย  is that fluency? Well, like, I could handle aย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ C1 ์ธ์ฆ๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ฏ€๋กœ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•จ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์Œ, ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ์ €๋Š”
04:57
whole graduate degree in German, so I thinkย  reasonably so but did it feel like fluency?ย ย 
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๋…์ผ์–ด๋กœ ์ „์ฒด ๋Œ€ํ•™์› ํ•™์œ„๋ฅผ ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฏ€๋กœ ํ•ฉ๋ฆฌ์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋Š๊ปด์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
05:02
Like hell no, that was so, it was awful. - Popping you downย in Scotland maybe in inย ย 
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์ง€์˜ฅ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์•„๋‹ˆ, ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋”์ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. - ์Šค์ฝ”ํ‹€๋žœ๋“œ์—์„œ
05:06
the Highlands or something and tryingย  to have a similar conversation aboutย ย 
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ํ•˜์ผ๋žœ๋“œ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ณณ์œผ๋กœ ๋‚ด๋ ค๊ฐ€์„œ ์œ„์Šคํ‚ค ๊ฐ€๊ณต์ด๋‚˜ ๊ทธ์™€ ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๋ฉด
05:10
processing whiskey or something likeย  that - maybe you could be equally lost.ย 
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๋˜‘๊ฐ™์ด ๊ธธ์„ ์žƒ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:14
- 100%. And so I think fluency is so contextย  dependent and so goal dependent that I thinkย ย 
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- 100%. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•จ์€ ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋‹ฌ๋ผ์ง€๊ณ  ๋ชฉํ‘œ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋‹ฌ๋ผ์ง€๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
05:19
it ends up being a really wobbly word. Theย  direction that I've been trying to headย ย 
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๊ฒฐ๊ตญ์—๋Š” ์ •๋ง ํ”๋“ค๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‹จ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ–ฅํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•œ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์€
05:24
is actually away from fluency in terms of like howย  we frame the company and frame goals for peopleย ย 
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํšŒ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์„ฑํ•˜๊ณ  ์•ฑ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์„ฑํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•จ
05:28
who are using our app, and is more leading towardsย  personalized fluency, which is to say what do youย ย 
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๊ณผ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ฉ€๊ณ  ๊ฐœ์ธํ™” ๋œ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•จ์œผ๋กœ ๋” ์ด์–ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:35
wish to be fluent in? Do you wish to be fluent inย  going to the coffee shop? We can do that for you.ย ย 
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์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์ปคํ”ผ์ˆ์— ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ด‘๋‘ฅ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ 
05:40
Do you wish to be fluent in like, I don't wantย  to learn cantonese I want to be fluent in dim sumย ย 
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์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ค์„ฌ์— ์œ ์ฐฝํ•ด์ง€๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:46
that's what I actually want fromย  cantonese, I have no interest inย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ด‘๋™์–ด์—์„œ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ฑธ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ์™ธ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ ์–ธ์–ด์— ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:48
that language except that I do want toย  be able to walk into a dim sum restaurantย ย 
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๋”ค์„ฌ ๋ ˆ์Šคํ† ๋ž‘์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€์„œ
05:52
and have an actual conversation with theย  waiter about like what's good food here,ย ย 
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์›จ์ดํ„ฐ์™€ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ๋ง›์žˆ๋Š” ์Œ์‹์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์‹ค์ œ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ•๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:56
and that's like very achievable cantonese, isย  going to be a brutally difficult language forย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•œ ๊ด‘๋™์–ด์™€ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ์— ์ž”์ธํ•  ์ •๋„๋กœ ์–ด๋ ค์šด ์–ธ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:00
me to learn, that's another Japanese basicallyย  in terms of difficulty, but just dim sum likeย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์–ด๋ ค์›€์˜ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ผ๋ณธ์ธ์ด์ง€๋งŒ ,
06:06
that should be a three month project. And so, andย  that counts like that should count as fluency forย ย 
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3๊ฐœ์›” ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ์—ฌ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํŽธ์•ˆํ•œ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆŒ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์œ ์ฐฝํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ„์ฃผ๋˜์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
06:13
me if I can have a comfortable conversation.ย  And so, I feel like comfortable conversationย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํŽธ์•ˆํ•œ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋Š”
06:17
is something I want to learn about that seemsย  like a more meaningful label for me than am Iย ย 
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ๋” ์˜๋ฏธ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ผฌ๋ฆฌํ‘œ์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๋‚˜์š”
06:25
fluent? - Because it's so much more specific. - It's, yeah, you were talking about goalsย ย 
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? - ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. - ์˜ˆ, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ชฉํ‘œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:29
and that's much that's much better thatย  you're reflecting a lot about what do Iย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋‚ซ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์–ธ์–ด๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งŽ์ด ๋ฐ˜์„ฑํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:36
need the language for? And aligning yourย  goals like that because so many, I mean,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋ฅผ ๋งž์ถ”๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
06:41
most of our audience they're English learnersย  so like so many English learners they just say,ย ย 
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๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์ฒญ์ค‘์ด ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋งŽ์€ ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž์™€ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€๋กœ
06:44
"I want to be fluent in English", but they neverย  actually reflect like what does that mean? And Iย ย 
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"์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ๋‹ค์Œ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์ด ๋ฐ˜์˜ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ๋ง์€? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š”
06:48
think for most people that probably means likeย  speaking it in some sense like they speak theirย ย 
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๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์–ด๋–ค ์˜๋ฏธ์—์„œ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:52
native language, speaking it effortlessly, but youย  don't need to know what you don't maybe need toย ย 
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06:57
know about how to talk about gardening in Englishย  if you're not actually interested in gardening.ย ย 
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์›์˜ˆ์— ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ์—†๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์˜์–ด. ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
07:03
You need to like be focused on you knowย  what are the things you really want to know.ย 
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์ •๋ง๋กœ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ์•„๋Š” ๋ฐ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:07
So many great insights from Gabriel's answer!ย  I know it can be challenging to digestย ย 
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Gabriel์˜ ๋‹ต๋ณ€์—์„œ ์–ป์€ ๋งŽ์€ ํ†ต์ฐฐ๋ ฅ! ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์†Œํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ด๋ ค์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฏ€๋กœ
07:11
everything so feel free to go backย  and listen to it again. However,ย ย 
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์–ธ์ œ๋“ ์ง€ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€์„œ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋“ค์–ด๋ณด์„ธ์š”. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๊ณต์œ ํ•œ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ
07:16
I have also prepared a few quiz questions to helpย  you with the comprehension of the ideas he shared.
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๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๋Š” ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ํ€ด์ฆˆ ์งˆ๋ฌธ๋„ ์ค€๋น„ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
07:44
That's right! It's whatโ€™s called theย  Dunning-Kruger Effect. As we can see, whenย ย 
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์ข‹์•„์š”! ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ Dunning-Kruger ํšจ๊ณผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ณด์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ,
07:49
we first start learning, often weโ€™re overconfidentย  in our abilities. But the more we learn, the moreย ย 
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์ฒ˜์Œ ํ•™์Šต์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ๋•Œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ข…์ข… ์ž์‹ ์˜ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์„ ๊ณผ์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ๋ฐฐ์šธ์ˆ˜๋ก ์ˆ™๋‹ฌ
07:55
we realize there is to know in order to achieveย  mastery. This is why people who we see as expertsย ย 
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ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์•Œ์•„์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋” ๋งŽ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊นจ๋‹ซ๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ „๋ฌธ๊ฐ€๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
08:01
are often still quite humble. It is becauseย  they realize they can always learn more!ย 
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์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฒธ์†ํ•œ ์ด์œ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊นจ๋‹ซ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค!
08:07
If you are enjoying Gabe'sย  insights on language learning,ย ย 
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์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ Gabe์˜ ํ†ต์ฐฐ๋ ฅ์ด ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“ ๋‹ค๋ฉด
08:10
he also explained why you shouldn'tย  learn two languages at the same time,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๋˜ํ•œ ๋‘ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋™์‹œ์— ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋ฉด ์•ˆ ๋˜๋Š” ์ด์œ ,
08:15
where his motivation to learn anotherย  language comes from, and so much more.ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋ ค๋Š” ๋™๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋”” ์—์„œ ์˜ค๋Š”์ง€ ๋“ฑ์„ ์„ค๋ช…ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. RealLife ์•ฑ์„ ๋‹ค์šด๋กœ๋“œํ•˜์—ฌ
08:21
You can listen to the full interview for FREEย  and follow along with an interactive transcript,ย ย 
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์ „์ฒด ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฌด๋ฃŒ๋กœ ๋“ค์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ˜• ๋Œ€๋ณธ์„ ๋”ฐ๋ผ๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
08:27
by downloading the RealLife App! But, wait, that's not all of it.ย ย 
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! ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:31
With the RealLife English App, you can alsoย  speak in English anytime, anywhere with someoneย ย 
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RealLife English ์•ฑ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋ฉด ์„ธ๊ณ„ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ง€์—ญ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ์–ธ์ œ ์–ด๋””์„œ๋‚˜ ์˜์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
08:37
in another part of the world! It's like travelingย  without leaving your home and Gabe himself givesย ย 
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! ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ง‘์„ ๋– ๋‚˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์—ฌํ–‰ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์œผ๋ฉฐ Gabe ์ž์‹ ์ด
08:42
a good reason on why you should do this. - There's enough fascination with howย ย 
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์™œ ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํƒ€๋‹นํ•œ ์ด์œ ๋ฅผ ์ œ์‹œํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. -
08:47
people think that maybe that's something that Iย  want and so, like, I'm starting to also realizeย ย 
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ผ์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฅธ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์— ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํžˆ ๋งค๋ ฅ์ด ์žˆ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋„ ๊นจ๋‹ซ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
08:52
even if these with these Japanese lessons likeย  interacting with my tutor is something I enjoy, Iย ย 
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08:59
like that person not just the things that I canย  get out of them in terms of language content.ย ย 
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์–ธ์–ด ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ  ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ.
09:06
And if that's interesting with that personย  well what about other people? So I think myย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ ํฅ๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์–ด๋–ป์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ
09:11
motivations are changing over time, I think itย  absolutely is the case that the perspectivesย ย 
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๋™๊ธฐ๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ง€๋‚จ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋ณ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:16
coming out of Japan are wildly differentย  from the perspectives I see coming out ofย ย 
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์ผ๋ณธ์—์„œ ๋‚˜์˜ค๋Š” ๊ด€์ ์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€
09:21
you know, random people I meet in Chicago. I thinkย  watching my own perspectives land on my tutor inย ย 
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์‹œ์นด๊ณ ์—์„œ ๋งŒ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ž„์˜์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ์„œ ๋‚˜์˜ค๋Š” ๊ด€์ ๊ณผ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋‹ค๋ฅด๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด ํŠน์ •ํ•œ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์— ๋‚ด ์ž์‹ ์˜ ๊ด€์ ์ด ๋‚ด ํŠœํ„ฐ์—๊ฒŒ ๋„๋‹ฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด๊ณ 
09:27
this particular case, and seeing points whereย  his world view gets expanded that feels good,ย ย 
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๊ทธ์˜ ์„ธ๊ณ„๊ด€์ด ํ™•์žฅ๋˜๋Š” ์ง€์ ์„ ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์ข‹๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐ
09:33
and then also similarly watching like myย  worldview get expanded that also feels good.
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ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€๋กœ ๋‚ด ์„ธ๊ณ„๊ด€์ด ํ™•์žฅ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋„ ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์ข‹๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:52
As we've seen, this is true! And it'sย  called situational fluency. Check it out.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ณธ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค! ์ด๋ฅผ ์ƒํ™ฉ ์œ ์ฐฝ์„ฑ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ™•์ธ ํ•ด๋ด.
09:58
There's certain situation fluency. So likeย  I said, with Japanese, I could talk to youย 
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ํŠน์ • ์ƒํ™ฉ ์œ ์ฐฝ์„ฑ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด ์ผ๋ณธ์–ด๋กœ
10:03
all day about video games and instruments inย  Japanese. But if you were to suddenly want toย ย 
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๋น„๋””์˜ค ๊ฒŒ์ž„๊ณผ ์•…๊ธฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ข…์ผ ์ผ๋ณธ์–ด๋กœ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฐ‘์ž๊ธฐ
10:07
talk to me about politics, or something that'sย  outside of what I've worked on, I couldn't beย 
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์ •์น˜๋‚˜ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ž‘์—…ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ์ด์™ธ์˜ ๋ฌธ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๋ฉด ํ• 
10:11
able to do that. So in one situation, Iย  might seem totally fluent. And in another,ย ย 
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์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์–ด๋–ค ์ƒํ™ฉ์—์„œ๋Š” ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ณด์ผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋Š”
10:15
I probably won't. And that's okay withย  me, because I'm doing what I need to doย ย 
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ ์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
10:19
in that language. And that's enough for me. Likeย  I don't need to know the entire Japanese language.ย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์ผ๋ณธ์–ด ์ „์ฒด๋ฅผ ์•Œ ํ•„์š”๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:24
Like even Japanese speakers don'tย  know the entire Japanese language.ย ย 
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์ผ๋ณธ์–ด ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋„ ์ „์ฒด ์ผ๋ณธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์•Œ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:28
So I don't worry about that too much. For me, what fluent is, is situational fluency,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ฑฑ์ •ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•จ์ด๋ž€ ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ๋”ฐ๋ฅธ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•จ์ด๋ผ๊ณ 
10:35
I suppose. So if I'm able to do what I need to doย  in the language, or get through situations that Iย ย 
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์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ผ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
10:41
don't understand in the language, like, I'm ableย  to say, Oh, I don't understand this, I'm not ableย ย 
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์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์„ ๊ทน๋ณตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
10:45
to talk about it, or I'm not interested in talkingย  about that, or, I don't know how to talk aboutย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ์—†๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ด์•ผํ• ์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
10:49
this. So let's work on it. Like, if I can navigateย  that in the language, then that's enough for me.
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. ์ด์ œ ์ž‘์—…ํ•ด ๋ด…์‹œ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ํƒ์ƒ‰ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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