Want to Move to ANOTHER COUNTRY? โ€” Conversation for English Learners

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋œ ์ž๋ง‰์€ ๊ธฐ๊ณ„ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

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You know, when I finish university, I'm gonnaย  move to Brazil. I just decided in that moment,ย ย 
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์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋Œ€ํ•™์„ ๋งˆ์น˜๋ฉด ๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ๋กœ ์ด์‚ฌํ•  ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์— ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ–ˆ๊ณ 
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and sure enough, I finished my senior yearย  of university, and, you know, it was summer,ย ย 
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋‚˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅผ๊นŒ ๋Œ€ํ•™ 4ํ•™๋…„์„ ๋งˆ์ณค๊ณ  ์—ฌ๋ฆ„์ด ๋˜์–ด์„œ
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I got a job. I was saving up money andย  everything, and I had this plan to move to Brazil.
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์ง์žฅ์„ ๊ตฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ˆ๊ณผ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ชจ์œผ๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ  ๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ๋กœ ์ด์ฃผํ•  ๊ณ„ํš์„ ์„ธ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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We grow up and we sort of think that the time'sย  passed, I should give up on that. Uh, and whetherย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ž๋ผ์„œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ง€๋‚ฌ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ํฌ๊ธฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด,
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it's learning a language or pursuing anyย  other kind of goal, it's never too late.
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์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด๋“  ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋ฅผ ์ถ”๊ตฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด๋“  ๊ฒฐ์ฝ” ๋Šฆ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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So I'm joined in the global studio today, firstย  and foremost by the one and only Mr. V himself,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์˜ค๋Š˜ ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ ์ŠคํŠœ๋””์˜ค์— ํ•ฉ๋ฅ˜ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌด์—‡๋ณด๋‹ค๋„ V์”จ ์ž์‹ ์ธ
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Ethan. Hey, Ethan. How's it going? How you going?ย 
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Ethan์ด ํ•จ๊ป˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ˆ๋…•, ์—๋‹จ. ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ง€๋‚ด?
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I'm good. We're kind of turning the tables here today, huh?ย 
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๋‚œ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ํŒ์„ธ๋ฅผ ๋’ค์ง‘๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ์‘?
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Yeah. Yeah. We inverted roles a little bitย  today. Yeah. So it's a nice experiment.ย 
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์‘. ์‘. ์˜ค๋Š˜์€ ์—ญํ• ์„ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋ฐ”๊ฟจ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์‘. ์ข‹์€ ์‹คํ—˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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So I can kind of like lay back, relax hereย  and, and just enjoy the flow of the podcast.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๋ˆ„์›Œ์„œ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ๊ธด์žฅ์„ ํ’€๊ณ  ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ์˜ ํ๋ฆ„์„ ์ฆ๊ธธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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Exactly. Just enjoy the talk. Yeah. So I think it might be worth, uh,ย ย 
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์ •ํ™•ํžˆ. ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ฆ๊ธฐ์„ธ์š”. ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ
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explaining to the audience here, thoseย  who don't know what Mr. V stands for,ย ย 
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์—๋Š” Mr. V๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•˜๋Š”์ง€,
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and where this nickname came from. Mr. V. Mr. V stands for, it's short for, I guess we'dย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด ๋ณ„๋ช…์ด ์–ด๋””์—์„œ ์™”๋Š”์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๋Š” ๋ถ„๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•  ๊ฐ€์น˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Mr. V. Mr. V๋Š” ์•ฝ์ž์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ค„์—ฌ์„œ ๋งํ•˜์ž๋ฉด,
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say, uh, Mr. Vocabulary and I, I, I guess I gotย  famous in the early days of this podcast. Anyoneย ย 
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Mr. Vocabulary์™€ ๋‚˜, ๋‚˜, ์ €๋Š” ์ด ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ ์ดˆ๊ธฐ์— ์œ ๋ช…ํ•ด์ง„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ „์—
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who's an old fan that won't be new for, becauseย  I used to use maybe more advanced vocabulary orย ย 
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๊ณ ๊ธ‰ ์–ดํœ˜๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ–ˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
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I'd use a lot of expressions, which is deliberateย  because, you know, I was trying to sneak in someย ย 
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์˜๋„์ ์ธ ํ‘œํ˜„์„ ๋งŽ์ด ์‚ฌ์šฉํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ƒˆ๋กญ์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์˜ค๋ž˜๋œ ํŒฌ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋“ ์ง€
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different things that we can teach, but it'sย  stuck. That name, that name stuck. I thinkย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋ง‰ํ˜”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ์ด๋ฆ„, ๊ทธ ์ด๋ฆ„์ด ๋ถ™์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์™€
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maybe Chad, who used to do the podcast withย  us, uh, gave me that nickname and it stuck.ย 
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ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋˜ Chad๊ฐ€ ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ ๋ณ„๋ช…์„ ์ง€์–ด์ค€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
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And of course, uh, I gotta mention hereย  the most lekker teacher in all Southย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฌผ๋ก , ์–ด, ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์™€ ํ•ฉ๋ฅ˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๋‚จ์•„๊ณต ์ „์ฒด์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋ ‰์ปค ๊ต์‚ฌ์ธ
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Africa who's also joining us today,ย  the one and only Casse. Hey, Casse.ย 
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์œ ์ผํ•œ Casse์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋ด, ์นด์„ธ.
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Hey guys. And Casse, you do have some bigย ย 
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์–˜๋“ค ์•„. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  Casse,
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news to share with us today, don't you? I do indeed.ย 
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์˜ค๋Š˜ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์™€ ๊ณต์œ ํ•  ํฐ ๋‰ด์Šค๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์ž–์•„์š”, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ? ์ •๋ง ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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So, just to tease the listeners a little bit, weย  are gonna get into it more in today's episode,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ฒญ์ทจ์ž๋“ค์„ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋†€๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์—ํ”ผ์†Œ๋“œ์—์„œ ๋” ์ž์„ธํžˆ ๋‹ค๋ฃจ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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but could you just briefly shareย  your big news with everybody?ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์†Œ์‹์„ ๋ชจ๋‘์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํžˆ ๊ณต์œ ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
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Sure. So I've recently made the decisionย  to accept a job offer in China, so I'll beย ย 
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ํ™•์‹ ํ•˜๋Š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์ตœ๊ทผ์— ์ค‘๊ตญ์—์„œ ๊ตฌ์ธ ์ œ์•ˆ์„ ์ˆ˜๋ฝํ•˜๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
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teaching young kids and teens, um, in China. That's amazing. Yeah. Well, first of all,ย ย 
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์ค‘๊ตญ์—์„œ ์–ด๋ฆฐ ์•„์ด๋“ค๊ณผ ์‹ญ๋Œ€๋“ค์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ๋†€๋ผ์šด. ์‘. ๋จผ์ €
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congratulations. Yeah. And, I imagine that,ย  uh, it takes a lot of courage also, yeah,ย ย 
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์ถ•ํ•˜๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ์Œ, ๋˜ํ•œ, ๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ, ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ
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to make such a, a big change in your lifeย  like that, because, you know, dear listeners,ย ย 
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์‚ถ์— ํฐ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์ผ์œผํ‚ค๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์šฉ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฒญ์ทจ์ž ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„,
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sometimes all you need in life is a greatย  adventure. So today we are gonna be talkingย ย 
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๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ์ธ์ƒ์—์„œ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ์œ„๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ชจํ—˜์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
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about moving to a country where you don't know theย  language. Also taking a job opportunity abroad andย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๋Š” ๋‚˜๋ผ๋กœ ์ด์ฃผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋˜ํ•œ ํ•ด์™ธ์—์„œ ์ทจ์—… ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์žก๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ทธ
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how all of that connects to your identity. But, before we get started, make sure youย ย 
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๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ •์ฒด์„ฑ๊ณผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋˜๋Š”์ง€. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์—
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hit that subscribe button and bell down bellow,ย  because every week we put out lessons or podcastsย ย 
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๊ตฌ๋… ๋ฒ„ํŠผ์„ ๋ˆ„๋ฅด๊ณ  ๋ฒจ์„ ๋ˆ„๋ฅด์„ธ์š”. ๋งค์ฃผ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ธธ์„
02:54
like this to help you go from feeling like a lost,ย  insecure English learner to becoming a confident,ย ย 
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์žƒ๊ณ  ๋ถˆ์•ˆ์ •ํ•œ ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž์—์„œ ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ ์žˆ๊ณ 
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natural English speaker. So hit the subscribeย  button and bell down bellow so you don'tย ย 
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์ž์—ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ์˜์–ด๋กœ ๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ์ด์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ˆ˜์—…์ด๋‚˜ ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Šคํ”ผ์ปค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ๊ตฌ๋… ๋ฒ„ํŠผ์„ ๋ˆ„๋ฅด๊ณ  ๋ฒจ์„ ๋ˆŒ๋Ÿฌ
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miss one single new podcast. All right? Casse, I have to say that, um, I know veryย ย 
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์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋„ ๋†“์น˜์ง€ ์•Š๋„๋ก ํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์€? Casse, ์Œ, ์ €๋Š” ์ค‘๊ตญ ๋ฌธํ™”์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์•Œ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•ด์•ผ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
03:11
little about Chinese culture. We do use a lotย  of products from China here in Brazil, and it'sย ย 
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. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ์—์„œ ์ค‘๊ตญ์‚ฐ ์ œํ’ˆ์„ ๋งŽ์ด ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, "made in China" ์ œํ’ˆ
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even common for us to see that famous line on theย  products "made in China". Yeah. But I know veryย ย 
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์—์„œ ๊ทธ ์œ ๋ช…ํ•œ ๋ฌธ๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋„ ํ”ํ•œ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์‘. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚˜๋Š”
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little about it. So personally, I'm excited aboutย  today's episode because I know that you have beenย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์•Œ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ค๋Š˜์˜ ์—ํ”ผ์†Œ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด
03:28
learning more about the country, the culture, andย  you have some cool things to share with us today.ย ย 
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๊ตญ๊ฐ€์™€ ๋ฌธํ™”์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ  ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์™€ ๊ณต์œ ํ•  ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ๋‚ด์šฉ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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So I'm excited about that. But first of all, uh,ย  I would like to ask you, Casse, what inspired youย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ํฅ๋ถ„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ์„ , ์–ด, Casse,
03:39
to take this opportunity to move to China? Whatย  is your deeper intrinsic motivator in this case?ย 
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์ด ๊ธฐํšŒ์— ์ค‘๊ตญ์œผ๋กœ ์ด์ฃผํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋œ ๊ณ„๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ๋ฌป๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ๋” ๊นŠ์€ ๋‚ด์  ๋™๊ธฐ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
03:45
I, I would say that for me, there are multipleย  reasons. I think when we make decisions like this,ย ย 
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์ €๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ด์œ ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ €๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ๋‚ด๋ฆด ๋•Œ
03:51
there's always a multitude of reasons toย  do or not to do something. And in my case,ย ย 
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๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ง์•„์•ผ ํ•  ์ด์œ ๊ฐ€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋งŽ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋Š”
03:57
I think the strongest push that I've had isย  that this opportunity fulfills two sides of who,ย ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์กŒ๋˜ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ์ถ”์ง„๋ ฅ์€ ์ด ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์ธ์ง€,
04:06
who I am, uh, on the one end, I'm a mom,ย  and this opportunity will afford me andย ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์ธ์ง€, ์–ด, ํ•œํŽธ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ์ €๋Š” ์—„๋งˆ์ด๊ณ , ์ด ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์ €์™€
04:15
my family to have a better life forย  many reasons, of course, financially,ย ย 
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๋‚ด ๊ฐ€์กฑ์ด ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ์‚ถ์„ ์‚ด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋Š” ๋ฌผ๋ก , ์žฌ์ •์ ์œผ๋กœ,
04:21
um, just in general, like the, the culturalย  experience to learn more, to grow more,ย ย 
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์Œ, ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋” ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ , ๋” ์„ฑ์žฅํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฌธํ™”์  ๊ฒฝํ—˜๊ณผ
04:26
but also it's sort of fulfilling a lifelong dreamย  that I've had, which was to be able to travel,ย ย 
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ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ‰์ƒ ๊ฟˆ๊ฟ” ์™”๋˜ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์„ฑ์ทจ์ด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์—ฌํ–‰ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ ,
04:35
to be able to work abroad, and to be able to sortย  of link it to, I would say, my somewhat altruisticย ย 
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ํ•ด์™ธ์—์„œ ์ผํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ , ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ, ๋งํ•˜์ž๋ฉด, ์„ธ์ƒ์—์„œ
04:42
nature, which is to help and sort of be of valueย  in the world. And I think I thought that I couldย ย 
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๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๊ณ  ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๊ฐ€์น˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š”, ์ œ ๋‹ค์†Œ ์ดํƒ€์ ์ธ ์ฒœ์„ฑ๊ณผ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š”
04:51
find that with journalism, but teaching offeredย  so much more, like, so much more fulfillment. Andย ย 
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์ €๋„๋ฆฌ์ฆ˜์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๊ต์œก์€ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์„ฑ์ทจ๊ฐ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
05:01
I think being physically in China, teaching inย  person definitely fills that. And I think it'sย ย 
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๋ฌผ๋ฆฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ค‘๊ตญ์— ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด์„œ ์ง์ ‘ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฑ„์šด๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:10
going to be wonderful for that reason. And, youย  know, Thiago, as parents, as a parent yourself,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ด์œ ๋กœ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„์‹œ ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ํ‹ฐ์•„๊ณ , ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋กœ์„œ, ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋กœ์„œ
05:17
I would say that, you know, when we thinkย  about making decisions, the reason I mentionedย ย 
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์ €๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ๋‚ด๋ฆด ๋•Œ
05:23
my family first is because once you become aย  parent, I think every decision you make is linkedย ย 
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์ œ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์„ ๋จผ์ € ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•œ ์ด์œ ๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ๋ถ€๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋ฉด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒฐ์ •์ด make๋Š”
05:32
to your kid. You're thinking like 10 moves ahead.ย  If this was a chessboard, you're like, you know,ย ย 
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์ž๋…€์™€ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์•ž์œผ๋กœ 10 ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ฒด์ŠคํŒ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด, ๋‹น์‹ ์€
05:39
I, whatever I do will affect him, will affect hisย  life, his future. So I felt a sort of aha momentย ย 
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•˜๋“  ๊ทธ์—๊ฒŒ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ์˜ ์‚ถ๊ณผ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์— ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์ด ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์™”์„ ๋•Œ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์•„ํ•˜ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์„ ๋Š๊ผˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:47
when this opportunity came because I felt thatย  I would be able to, it would, it ties in with myย ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋Š๊ผˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ œ
05:55
identity and hopefully what I can offer him asย  well. So this was really my strong motivation.ย 
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์ •์ฒด์„ฑ๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จ์ด ์žˆ๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ์—๊ฒŒ๋„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ €์˜ ๊ฐ•ํ•œ ๋™๊ธฐ๋ถ€์—ฌ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:01
You did mention a nice word there, whichย  was altruistic. Could you define that?ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ์ดํƒ€์ ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ •์˜ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
06:06
Sure. So if you tend to be moreย  altruistic, you're someone who,ย ย 
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ํ™•์‹ ํ•˜๋Š”. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋” ์ดํƒ€์ ์ธ ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๋‹น์‹ ์€
06:12
your desire to help others sort of outweighs orย  trumps your desire to, you know, for personalย ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ๋•๊ณ ์ž ํ•˜๋Š” ์š•๋ง์ด ๊ฐœ์ธ์  ์ด์ต์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ์š•๋ง๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ด๋ฅผ ๋Šฅ๊ฐ€ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
06:21
gain. So I tend to always want to help, alwaysย  want to add value to others in whatever way I can.ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋„์›€์„ ์ฃผ๊ณ  ์‹ถ๊ณ , ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์œผ๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€์น˜๋ฅผ ๋”ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:30
You mentioned an aha moment there. What is that? An aha moment is a moment of sometimes profoundย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ์•„ํ•˜ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์„ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๊ฒŒ ๋ญ์—์š”? ์•„ํ•˜ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์€ ๋•Œ๋•Œ๋กœ ์‹ฌ์˜คํ•œ ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์Œ์˜ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
06:38
realization, uh, where things just start to makeย  sense. Uh, we also say like, things start toย ย 
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. ์–ด, ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ์ดํ•ด๋˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋˜ํ•œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด
06:45
fall into place. Like the, the reason startsย  to fall into make, start to make sense.ย 
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์ œ์ž๋ฆฌ์— ๋–จ์–ด์ง€๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€๋กœ ์ด์œ ๊ฐ€ ์ดํ•ด๋˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:50
That's incredible. Yeah. It's a bittersweet moment.ย ย 
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๋ฏฟ์–ด์ง€์ง€๊ฐ€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค. ์‘. ์”์“ธํ•œ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:53
Of course. I think that I should add becauseย  it's not like I'm like, yeah, bye guys. Like I,ย ย 
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๋ฌผ๋ก . ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ '์˜ˆ, ์ž˜๊ฐ€' ๊ฐ™์€ ๋Š๋‚Œ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋‚˜์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ,
07:00
yeah, I I definitely, it comes with itsย  negative, uh, you know, negative side as well.ย 
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๋„ค, ์ €๋Š” ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๋ถ€์ •์ ์ธ ์ธก๋ฉด์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, ๋ถ€์ •์ ์ธ ์ธก๋ฉด๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:08
Uh, Mr. V I gotta ask you, Casse just used aย  very nice word there. Yeah. Bittersweet. Uh,ย ย 
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์–ด, Mr. V ๋ฌป๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€๋ฐ, Casse๊ฐ€ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์€ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ์‘. ์”์“ธํ•˜๋‹ค. ์–ด,
07:13
she says this experience isย  bittersweet. What does that mean?ย 
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๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์ด ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ์”์“ธํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์Šจ ๋œป์ด์•ผ? ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์”์“ธํ•˜๊ณ 
07:16
It's like bittersweet chocolate,ย  for example, right? We say this asย ย 
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๋‹ฌ์ฝคํ•œ ์ดˆ์ฝœ๋ฆฟ ๊ฐ™์ฃ  ? ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์„
07:20
a flavor of something that has both those,ย  those notes of bitterness and sweetness,ย ย 
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์“ด๋ง›๊ณผ ๋‹จ๋ง›์˜ ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋ฅผ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ๊ฒƒ์˜ ๋ง›์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
07:26
but then we can use it in a more figurative sense,ย  just like Casse did here to talk about somethingย ย 
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๋” ๋น„์œ ์ ์ธ ์˜๋ฏธ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:30
that has both sweet aspects to it, or positiveย  aspects and negative, or could be, not necessarilyย ย 
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๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ์ธก๋ฉด๊ณผ ๋ถ€์ •์ ์ธ ์ธก๋ฉด, ๋˜๋Š” ๋ฐ˜๋“œ์‹œ
07:38
negative, but in this case I'm sure Casse isย  referencing - you have to leave your family, maybeย ย 
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๋ถ€์ •์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ด ๊ฒฝ์šฐ Casse๊ฐ€ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ€์กฑ์„ ๋– ๋‚˜์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์‚ถ์—์„œ
07:44
you have anxiety related to this big change goingย  on in your life. So it has some more tumultuousย ย 
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์ง„ํ–‰๋˜๋Š” ์ด ํฐ ๋ณ€ํ™”์™€ ๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ๋ถˆ์•ˆ์ด ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ข€ ๋” ์†Œ๋ž€์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
07:49
or more complicated emotions that come along with,ย  it's not just all sweet or positive notes, right?ย 
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๋” ๋ณต์žกํ•œ ๊ฐ์ •์ด ๋”ฐ๋ผ์˜ต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋‹ค์ •ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ์Œํ‘œ๋งŒ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฑด ์•„๋‹ˆ์ฃ ?
07:55
And Casse, I totally relate to what you'reย  saying about being a parent and wanting theย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  Casse, ์ €๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ถ€๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๊ณ 
08:00
best for your child. Uh, and it's true. Yeah.ย  We tend to have a vision for our children,ย ย 
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์ž๋…€๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ตœ์„ ์˜ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์›ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ณต๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด, ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ž๋…€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋น„์ „์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:05
I guess, yeah, as parents. And we startย  making decisions in the present moment,ย ย 
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋กœ์„œ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋น„์ „์„ ์—ผ๋‘์— ๋‘๊ณ  ํ˜„์žฌ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์— ๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ๋‚ด๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
08:10
keeping that vision in mind. So yeah, I totallyย  get where you're coming from. Casse, one lastย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์–ด๋””์—์„œ ์™”๋Š”์ง€ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ์ดํ•ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Casse,
08:18
question I have about this is, would you say thatย  this, uh, desire to live abroad and work abroadย ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ด๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ด , ์–ด, ํ•ด์™ธ์—์„œ ์‚ด๊ณ  ํ•ด์™ธ์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ์š•๋ง์ด
08:26
is something that has been on the back burnerย  for you for a while, has been on the back burner?ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ํ•œ๋™์•ˆ ๋’ค๋กœ ๋ฏธ๋ค„์™”๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
08:31
It sure has, but before I getย  into that, what does it mean?ย 
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๋ฌผ๋ก ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์•Œ์•„๋ณด๊ธฐ ์ „์— ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์Šจ ๋œป์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
08:36
Oh, I'm gonna throw it to Mr.ย  V again. Ethan, please defineย ย 
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์•„, ๋‹ค์‹œ V์”จ์—๊ฒŒ ๋˜์งˆ๊ฒŒ์š” . Ethan,
08:40
for us when something is on the back burner. This comes from, for example, if you have a stove,ย ย 
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๋’ท์ „์˜ ์ผ์ด ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์ •์˜ํ•ด ์ฃผ์„ธ์š”. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์Šคํ† ๋ธŒ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ๋“์ด๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ํ•„์š”ํ•œ
08:47
maybe you put something on the back burner thatย  you just need to simmer. You just need it to beย ย 
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๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ฒ„๋„ˆ์— ๋†“์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
08:52
kind of warming and stuff while you'reย  cooking other things. And then when weย ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์š”๋ฆฌํ•˜๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ ๋ฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ ์ •๋„๋งŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ
08:55
use it in a figurative sense as, Thiago didย  here, it means that you're not prioritizingย ย 
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ํ‹ฐ์•„๊ณ ๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋น„์œ ์ ์ธ ์˜๋ฏธ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋ฉด ์ง€๊ธˆ ๋‹น์žฅ์€ ์šฐ์„  ์ˆœ์œ„๋ฅผ ์ •ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ์˜๋ฏธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
09:02
something right now. You're thinking somedayย  I'll do that thing. But you have otherย ย 
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. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์–ธ์  ๊ฐ€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ ์ผ์„ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
09:06
priorities in your life that you're doing first. So that's exactly it. This decision has been,ย ย 
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์ธ์ƒ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋จผ์ € ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์šฐ์„ ์ˆœ์œ„๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ๊ฒฐ์ •์€,
09:11
or this desire has been placed on the backย  burner, simmer over there. Um, but you know,ย ย 
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๋˜๋Š” ์ด ์š•๋ง์€ ๋’ค๋กœ ๋ฏธ๋ฃจ๊ณ , ์ €์ชฝ์—์„œ ๋“์–ด์˜ค๋ฅด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
09:20
like I said, being a parent, you know, havingย  a job and we grow up and we sort of think thatย ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด, ๋ถ€๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๊ณ , ์ง์—…์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ , ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์„ฑ์žฅํ•˜๊ณ ,
09:27
the time's passed, I should give up on that. Uh,ย  and whether it's learning a language or pursuingย ย 
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์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ง€๋‚ฌ์œผ๋‹ˆ, ํฌ๊ธฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋“ 
09:34
any other kind of goal, it's never too late. By the way, dear listeners, in case you don'tย ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋ฅผ ์ถ”๊ตฌํ•˜๋“ , ๊ฒฐ์ฝ” ๋Šฆ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์นœ์• ํ•˜๋Š” ์ฒญ์ทจ์ž ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„, ๋ชจ๋ฅด๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๋ฅผ ๋Œ€๋น„ํ•ด
09:40
know, we do have the RealLife English app andย  we highly recommend you download it because youย ย 
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RealLife English ์•ฑ์ด ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ๋‹ค์šด๋กœ๋“œํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ˜• ๋Œ€๋ณธ์„
09:45
can listen to this week's episode while followingย  an interactive transcript. So you can read alongย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ๊ฐ€๋ฉด์„œ ์ด๋ฒˆ ์ฃผ ์—ํ”ผ์†Œ๋“œ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ฝ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
09:51
everything that we are saying here. Alright. Soย  in case you haven't downloaded the app yet, makeย ย 
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. ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์€. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์•„์ง ์•ฑ์„ ๋‹ค์šด๋กœ๋“œํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ
09:57
sure you go to your favorite app store, Googleย  Play store or App store, search for RealLifeย ย 
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์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ์•ฑ ์Šคํ† ์–ด, Google Play ์Šคํ† ์–ด ๋˜๋Š” ์•ฑ ์Šคํ† ์–ด๋กœ ์ด๋™ํ•˜์—ฌ RealLife
10:02
English. And also, I'm gonna leave the link hereย  in the description in case we're watching us onย ย 
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English๋ฅผ ๊ฒ€์ƒ‰ํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ๋˜ํ•œ YouTube ์—์„œ ์ €ํฌ๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•  ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๋ฅผ ๋Œ€๋น„ํ•˜์—ฌ ์„ค๋ช…์— ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ๋งํฌ๋ฅผ ๋‚จ๊ฒจ๋‘๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
10:06
YouTube. So do check it out. Alright. Now, Ethan,ย  onto you. You know, one thing that I admire aboutย ย 
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. ํ™•์ธํ•ด๋ณด์„ธ์š”. ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์€. ์ž, Ethan, ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ. ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์กด๊ฒฝํ•˜๋Š” ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋Š”
10:14
you is the fact that you are a very well-traveledย  person. You have been to many places in the world,ย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์—ฌํ–‰์„ ๋งŽ์ด ๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์„ธ๊ณ„์˜ ๋งŽ์€ ์žฅ์†Œ,
10:21
many countries, and uh, I think that gives youย  this more, let's say broad perspective of things,ย ย 
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๋งŽ์€ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์— ๊ฐ€๋ดค๊ณ  ์–ด, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ๋ฌผ,
10:28
of different cultures, different, uh, countries.ย  So I know that you have been around a lot,ย ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฌธํ™”, ๋‹ค๋ฅธ, ๋‹ค๋ฅธ, ์–ด, ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋„“์€ ๊ด€์ ์„ ๋งํ•ฉ์‹œ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ฃผ๋ณ€์— ๋งŽ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ 
10:36
but I wanted to ask you specifically about yourย  experience moving to Brazil. I know that youย ย 
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์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ๋กœ ์ด์ฃผํ•œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฌป๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
10:41
moved to Brazil in the past and not even once,ย  but twice I believe. So I'm (Right) curious to,ย ย 
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๊ณผ๊ฑฐ์— ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ๋„ ์•„๋‹Œ ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์ด๋‚˜ ๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ๋กœ ์ด์ฃผํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋™๊ธฐ๋ถ€์—ฌ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜์—ฌ
10:48
to learn more about how the experience went forย  you, starting with your motivation. What motivatedย ย 
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๊ทธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์–ด๋–ค ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์ณค๋Š”์ง€ ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
10:53
you to leave the US and come to Brazil at thatย  time? Could you share a little bit about that?ย 
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๋‹น์‹œ์— ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์„ ๋– ๋‚˜ ๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ์— ์˜จ ๋™๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ? ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
10:59
Yeah. It's kind of a long story, but I'll tryย  to be brief. I was fortunate to get to live in,ย ย 
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์‘. ๋‹ค์†Œ ๊ธด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฐ„๋žตํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ด๊ฒŒ ๋œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šด์ด ์ข‹์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:07
while I was in university, to live a year inย  Spain, in Mallorca, and while I was there,ย ย 
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๋Œ€ํ•™์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ ๋งˆ์š”๋ฅด์นด์—์„œ 1๋…„์„ ์‚ด์•˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ณณ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ
11:11
I made some Brazilian friends, and this was, Iย  believe, the first time I met Brazilians. Andย ย 
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๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ ์นœ๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ๊ท€์—ˆ๊ณ  ๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ์ธ์„ ์ฒ˜์Œ ๋งŒ๋‚œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
11:17
I'd hear them speaking to each other inย  Portuguese, and I was just like, wow,ย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ํฌ๋ฅดํˆฌ๊ฐˆ์–ด๋กœ ์„œ๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ค์—ˆ๊ณ  , ๋‚˜๋Š” ์™€, ์ •๋ง
11:20
what a beautiful language. And, you know, Iย  got to know them and got closer to them andย ย 
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์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์šด ์–ธ์–ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค๊ณผ ๋” ๊ฐ€๊นŒ์›Œ์กŒ๊ณ 
11:23
just found the place that they came from,ย  the culture so fascinating. And that wasย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์ถœ์‹ ์ง€, ๋ฌธํ™”๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง ๋งค๋ ฅ์ ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€
11:29
kind of, it just piqued my curiosity. I startedย  learning a little bit of Portuguese from them,ย ย 
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์ผ์ข…์˜ ํ˜ธ๊ธฐ์‹ฌ์„ ๋ถˆ๋Ÿฌ์ผ์œผ์ผฐ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ์„œ ํฌ๋ฅดํˆฌ๊ฐˆ์–ด๋ฅผ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ๊ณ , ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ์‚ฌ๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ
11:32
and I even downloaded Rosetta Stone and did, uh,ย  some Portuguese while I was living there. Andย ย 
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Rosetta Stone์„ ๋‹ค์šด๋กœ๋“œํ•˜๊ณ  ์–ด, ํฌ๋ฅดํˆฌ๊ฐˆ์–ด๋ฅผ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ๋„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:38
then coincidentally, I went back to the States,ย  because I had, my brother was getting married,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ์—ฐํžˆ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ”์–ด์š”. ํ˜•์ด ๊ฒฐํ˜ผ์„ ํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—,
11:43
so we had his wedding, and a bunch of my familyย  flew out to Colorado. And I just remember thatย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ์˜ ๊ฒฐํ˜ผ์‹์„ ์˜ฌ๋ ธ๊ณ , ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์€ ์ฝœ๋กœ๋ผ๋„๋กœ ๋‚ ์•„๊ฐ”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š”
11:50
we were sitting down at lunch, you know, beforeย  the, the actual wedding with all of, uh, my mom'sย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ ์‹ฌ์„ ๋จน์œผ๋ฉฐ ์•‰์•„ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์‹ค์ œ ๊ฒฐํ˜ผ์‹์ด ์žˆ๊ธฐ ์ „์—, ์–ด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์—„๋งˆ์˜ ๊ฐ€์กฑ ๋ชจ๋‘์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋ง์ด์ฃ 
11:55
family. And coincidentally, I had a cousin, sheย  and her husband had just gotten back from livingย ย 
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. ์šฐ์—ฐํžˆ๋„ ์‚ฌ์ดŒ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ๊ทธ๋…€ ์™€ ๊ทธ๋…€์˜ ๋‚จํŽธ์€
12:02
in Recife Brazil for, I think it was six monthsย  or something, for several months they were there,ย ย 
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๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ ํ—ค์‹œํ”ผ์—์„œ 6๊ฐœ์›” ์ •๋„ ์‚ด์•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ช‡ ๋‹ฌ ๋™์•ˆ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ 
12:06
and they were talking all about their experienceย  and everything and how life-changing it was. Andย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ๊ฒฝํ—˜๊ณผ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์‚ถ์„ ๋ณ€ํ™”์‹œ์ผฐ๋Š”์ง€. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
12:11
those things kind of connected in my head. Andย  there was just a spark, maybe an aha moment,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ๋‚ด ๋จธ๋ฆฌ ์†์— ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  Casse๊ฐ€ ์ด์ „์— ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด ๋ถˆ๊ฝƒ, ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์•„ํ•˜ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
12:15
like Casse said earlier. And I was like, youย  know, when I finish university, I'm gonna moveย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๋Œ€ํ•™์„ ๋งˆ์น˜๋ฉด
12:18
to Brazil. I just decided in that moment, and sureย  enough, I finished my senior year of university,ย ย 
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๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ๋กœ ์ด์‚ฌํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์— ๊ฒฐ์‹ฌํ–ˆ๊ณ , ์•„๋‹ˆ๋‚˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅผ๊นŒ, ๋Œ€ํ•™ 4ํ•™๋…„์„ ๋งˆ์ณค๊ณ ,
12:23
and, you know, it was summer, I got a job. I wasย  saving up money and everything, and I had thisย ย 
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์—ฌ๋ฆ„์ด ๋˜์–ด์„œ ์ง์žฅ์„ ๊ตฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ˆ๊ณผ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ชจ์œผ๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ ,
12:28
plan to move to Brazil, and I was applying forย  jobs. I didn't hear anything because, you know,ย ย 
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๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ๋กœ ์ด์ฃผํ•  ๊ณ„ํš์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ , ๊ตฌ์ง ์‹ ์ฒญ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์•„๋ฌด ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋„ ๋“ฃ์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:34
I was fresh outta university. I didn't have anyย  relevant prior experience. And also in general,ย ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋Œ€ํ•™์„ ๊ฐ“ ์กธ์—…ํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ด€๋ จ ์ด์ „ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ํ•œ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ˜„์ง€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ
12:40
it's kind of difficult because you're competingย  with local people. They'd have to pay for a visaย ย 
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๊ฒฝ์Ÿํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋‹ค์†Œ ์–ด๋ ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‚˜๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋น„์ž ๋น„์šฉ์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
12:43
for me and whatnot. So I said, you know, I canย  teach English, you know, I, I've learned languagesย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ
12:48
myself. I had some experience tutoring Englishย  in, when I was living in Spain, and so I did theย ย 
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์Šค์Šค๋กœ ๋ฐฐ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์— ์‚ด ๋•Œ ์˜์–ด ๊ณผ์™ธ๋ฅผ ํ•œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ์žˆ์–ด์„œ
12:54
TEFL exam, which I felt like it didn't prepare meย  at all for the realities of the classroom once Iย ย 
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TEFL ์‹œํ—˜์„ ๋ดค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. TEFL ์‹œํ—˜์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ๋„์ฐฉํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ๊ต์‹ค์˜ ํ˜„์‹ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ „ํ˜€ ์ค€๋น„๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•˜์ง€๋งŒ
12:58
got there, but it's okay. And I also was reallyย  proactive about researching, trying to look upย ย 
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๊ดœ์ฐฎ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋˜ํ•œ ์กฐ์‚ฌ์— ์ ๊ทน์ ์ด์—ˆ๊ณ ,
13:04
other English teachers from the States that wereย  teaching specifically where I was planning to go,ย ย 
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ฐˆ ์˜ˆ์ •์ธ ๊ณณ,
13:08
where I had some friends in Belo Horizonte. Soย  I went, I was, I was a few days in Rio first,ย ย 
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๋ฒจ๋ฃจ์˜ค๋ฆฌ์กด์น˜์— ์นœ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณณ์„ ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์˜์–ด ๊ต์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์œผ๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๋จผ์ € ๋ฆฌ์˜ค์—์„œ ๋ฉฐ์น ์„ ๋ณด๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:15
because, you know, you gotta go to, you gotta goย  to Rio, and Rio's a really spectacular city. Uh,ย ย 
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ฆฌ์˜ค์— ๊ฐ€๋ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ฆฌ์˜ค๋Š” ์ •๋ง ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ๋„์‹œ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด,
13:21
and then after a few days, you know, I was couchย  surfing there. After a few days, I went to Beagรก,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฉฐ์น  ํ›„, ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ์นด์šฐ์น˜ ์„œํ•‘์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ๋ฉฐ์น  ํ›„ Beagรก์— ๊ฐ”๊ณ 
13:24
couch surfed with a guy there as well. And,ย  you know, eventually was finding an apartment.ย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ๋„ ํ•œ ๋‚จ์ž์™€ ์†ŒํŒŒ ์„œํ•‘์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์•„ํŒŒํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:29
But when I was doing my research before goingย  in Belo Horizonte, I found, uh, one teacher,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ฒจ๋ฃจ์˜ค๋ฆฌ์กด์น˜์— ๊ฐ€๊ธฐ ์ „์— ์กฐ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ, ํ•œ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜์„ ์ฐพ์•˜๊ณ ,
13:34
I found a woman, she referred me to these RealLifeย  English guys. She's like, oh, you should writeย ย 
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ํ•œ ์—ฌ์ž๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์•˜๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์ €๋ฅผ ์ด RealLife ์˜๊ตญ์ธ ๋‚จ์ž๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ๋งˆ์น˜, ์˜ค, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
13:38
them, you know, they do these events and stuff.ย  They're like, they, they, they really know whatย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ์จ์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ด๋ฒคํŠธ์™€ ์ผ์„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€
13:41
they're doing about teaching in BH. So I reachedย  out to them, and that's how actually I met Justin,ย ย 
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BH์—์„œ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์—ฐ๋ฝ์„ ํ–ˆ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์„œ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ €์Šคํ‹ด์„ ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ๊ณ , ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์—
13:46
and when I went there, I went over to their, theirย  place and everything. And, you know, we hung outย ย 
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๊ฐ”์„ ๋•Œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜, ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜, ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฐพ์•„๊ฐ”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ง์ ‘ ๋งŒ๋‚˜์„œ ์–ด์šธ๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
13:51
in person. I started going to the, the parties.ย  I'd get there early and help them. And then after,ย ย 
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. ๋‚˜๋Š” ํŒŒํ‹ฐ์— ๊ฐ€๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ผ์ฐ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ๊ฐ€์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ๋„์šธ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์„œ, ์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ
13:55
you know, I'd, because I just found this to beย  the most amazing thing, just to, uh, in Beloย ย 
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, ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋†€๋ผ์šด ์ผ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—, ์–ด, Belo
14:00
Horizonte, there's not a lot of foreigners. So itย  was like a room full of Brazilians all speakingย ย 
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Horizonte์—๋Š” ์™ธ๊ตญ์ธ์ด ๋งŽ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ฐฉ์€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋“ ์ฐจ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
14:04
English. This was pretty, pretty mind blowing.ย  And, you know, I'd, I'd stay late and help themย ย 
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. ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์˜ˆ์˜๊ณ  ์˜ˆ์œ ๋งˆ์Œ์ด ๋ถˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋Šฆ๊ฒŒ๊นŒ์ง€ ๋จธ๋ฌผ๋ฉด์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ •๋ฆฌํ•˜๋Š”
14:09
to, you know, kind of, clean things up, tidyย  things up after, and yeah. And then eventually,ย ย 
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๊ฒƒ์„ ๋„์™€์ฃผ๊ณ , ์ •๋ฆฌํ•˜๊ณ , ์ •๋ฆฌํ•˜๊ณ  , ๊ทธ๋ž˜์š”. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ์—๋Š”
14:14
because I was always there helping and everything,ย  they just asked me if I, if I wanted to join. And,ย ย 
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ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ๋„์›€์„ ์ฃผ๊ณ  ๋ชจ๋“  ์ผ์„ ํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‹จ์ง€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์ž…ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€์ง€ ๋ฌผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
14:19
you know, the rest is history, as they say. But ifย  people wanna (Nice.) learn more about just kind ofย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋‚˜๋จธ์ง€๋Š” ์—ญ์‚ฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด (์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.)
14:24
that journey and how we got started with RealLife,ย  RealLife English, having a tongue twister,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์—ฌ์ •๊ณผ RealLife, RealLife English, ํ˜€ ํŠธ์œ„์Šคํ„ฐ๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๋ฉด
14:29
uh, then you can listen to, we'll link in theย  description or in the show notes as well, uh, pastย ย 
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๋“ค์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์„ค๋ช…์ด๋‚˜ ๋ฉ”๋ชจ๋„ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ์„ธ์š”. ์–ด,
14:35
episode where Justin and I talk all about that. Uh, Ethan, you mentioned the TEFL certificate. Uh,ย ย 
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์ €์Šคํ‹ด๊ณผ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ–ˆ๋˜ ์ง€๋‚œ ์—ํ”ผ์†Œ๋“œ. ์–ด, Ethan, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ TEFL ์ธ์ฆ์„œ๋ฅผ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด,
14:40
in preparing to come to Brazil, you tookย  a TEFL certificate. Maybe some listenersย ย 
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๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ์— ์˜ค๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ TEFL ์ž๊ฒฉ์ฆ์„ ์ทจ๋“ํ•˜์…จ๊ตฐ์š”. ์ผ๋ถ€ ์ฒญ์ทจ์ž๋Š”
14:45
might not know what that means. Whatย  kind of certificate is that? The TEFL.ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์Šจ ๋œป์ธ์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด๋–ค ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์ธ์ฆ์„œ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”? ํ…Œํ”Œ.
14:48
Yeah. So it's for, I believe it's specifically forย  native English speakers, but it's Teaching Englishย ย 
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์‘. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํŠนํžˆ ์˜์–ด ์›์–ด๋ฏผ์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€
14:53
as a Foreign Language certificate. And basicallyย  it, I believe Casse is actually doing this now,ย ย 
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์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด๋กœ์„œ์˜ ์˜์–ด ๊ต์œก ์ฆ๋ช…์„œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ , ์ €๋Š” Casse๊ฐ€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ง€๊ธˆ ์ด ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:58
so it's been a very long time that I did this, soย  she can probably give the, the details a littleย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ด ์ผ์„ ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„์ฃผ ์˜ค๋žœ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๋˜์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์ €๋ณด๋‹ค ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ์„ธ๋ถ€ ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
15:03
bit better than I can. But basically they giveย  you some preparation for being in a classroomย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ต์‹ค์— ์žˆ๊ณ  ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ์ค€๋น„๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
15:08
and teaching, like, you don't even have to haveย  prior, like a degree in teaching to do it. So itย ย 
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. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ํ•™์œ„์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ์‚ฌ์ „ ํ•™์œ„๊ฐ€ ์—†์–ด๋„ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€
15:16
kinda gives you an introduction to teaching andย  specifically to helping people learn English.ย ย 
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์ผ์ข…์˜ ๊ต์œก, ํŠนํžˆ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋„๋ก ๋•๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์†Œ๊ฐœ๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:21
But like I said, for, for my experience, at leastย  once I got into the actual classroom, you know,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด, ์ œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ƒ ์ ์–ด๋„ ์‹ค์ œ ๊ต์‹ค์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋ฉด, ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ,
15:25
I just realized that I really, really was, uh,ย  we could say naive at this whole teaching thing.ย 
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์ €๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง, ์ •๋ง๋กœ, ์–ด, ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ต์œก์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ˆœ์ง„ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:32
And, well, you didn't see much validityย  or practicality maybe in the course. Wouldย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ธ€์Ž„, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ณผ์ •์—์„œ ํƒ€๋‹น์„ฑ์ด๋‚˜ ์‹ค์šฉ์„ฑ์„ ๋งŽ์ด ๋ณด์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:38
you say that you were bored to tears inย  some of the lessons there? Some classes?ย 
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๊ทธ๊ณณ์˜ ์ˆ˜์—… ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ์ง€๋ฃจํ•ด์„œ ๋ˆˆ๋ฌผ์„ ํ˜๋ ธ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์ผ๋ถ€ ์ˆ˜์—…?
15:41
Yeah, I, I'd say that would be a validย  description that I was bored to tears.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ง€๋ฃจํ•ด์„œ ๋ˆˆ๋ฌผ์„ ํ˜๋ ธ๋‹ค๋Š” ์œ ํšจํ•œ ์„ค๋ช…์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค.
15:46
That means to be really bored.ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ •๋ง ์ง€๋ฃจํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:48
Yeah. If you imagine you'reย  so bored, you're crying.ย 
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์‘. ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ง€๋ฃจํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์šธ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:53
Casse, still talking about your, uh, preparationย  now, yeah, uh, to move to China, I do have aย ย 
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Casse, ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜, ์–ด, ์ค‘๊ตญ์œผ๋กœ ์ด์ฃผํ•  ์ค€๋น„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ,
16:00
question about that, but before I ask you thatย  question, what country would you like to move toย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ทธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์—, ์–ธ์  ๊ฐ€๋Š” ์–ด๋Š ๋‚˜๋ผ๋กœ ์ด์ฃผํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ
16:06
one day, guys? You know, have you thought aboutย  that? If you could live anywhere in the world,ย ย 
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? ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด ๋ณด์…จ๋‚˜์š” ? ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์–ด๋””์—์„œ๋‚˜ ์‚ด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
16:10
where would you like to go? And why? Shareย  your comment here in the comment section below,ย ย 
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์–ด๋””๋กœ ๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‚˜์š”? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์™œ? ์•„๋ž˜ ๋Œ“๊ธ€ ์„น์…˜์—์„œ ๋Œ“๊ธ€์„ ๊ณต์œ ํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ๋ชฉ์ ์ง€๊ฐ€
16:15
because we are curious to see, I mean, yourย  destination. So where would you like to go?ย 
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๊ถ๊ธˆํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์–ด๋””๋กœ ๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ˆ?
16:18
Or if you're just listening to the audio,ย  you can write us at [email protected].ย 
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๋˜๋Š” ์˜ค๋””์˜ค๋งŒ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด [email protected]์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋ฉ”์ผ์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
16:23
So Casse, talking about your preparation now,ย  yeah, in moving. So how have you been preparingย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ Casse๋Š” ์ง€๊ธˆ ์ค€๋น„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ, ์ด์‚ฌ ์ค‘์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด
16:29
to move to China? What kinds of things haveย  you been learning about studying, doing?ย 
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์ค‘๊ตญ์œผ๋กœ ์ด์ฃผํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ค€๋น„ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ณต๋ถ€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ค ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์ผ์„ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
16:35
Well, as Ethan mentioned, I,ย  I actually did the TEFL courseย ย 
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, Ethan์ด ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด ์ €๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค TEFL ๊ณผ์ •์„
16:42
four or five years ago, uh, whenย  I started teaching online. Andย ย 
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4~5๋…„ ์ „, ์–ด, ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ ๊ฐ•์˜๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
16:48
I've never taught in a classroom, but that courseย  is focused on how to teach in a classroom, so itย ย 
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์ €๋Š” ๊ต์‹ค์—์„œ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์นœ ์ ์ด ์—†์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ •์€ ๊ต์‹ค์—์„œ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์— ์ค‘์ ์„ ๋‘์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
16:55
teaches classroom management and things like that,ย  which is new to me. And because I didn't use thoseย ย 
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๊ต์‹ค ๊ด€๋ฆฌ์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์ณค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
17:01
skills, I'm doing it now as Ethan said, becauseย  it'll be my first time as a classroom teacher,ย ย 
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Ethan์ด ๋งํ•œ ๋Œ€๋กœ ์ง€๊ธˆ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
17:10
um, which is so scary. And of course there are,ย  there's a lot of paperwork to take care of,ย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฌผ๋ก  ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์„œ๋ฅ˜ ์ž‘์—…์ด ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:18
um, bureaucracy, of course, involved inย  applying for the visa, uh, the clearance checks,ย ย 
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์Œ, ๊ด€๋ฃŒ์ฃผ์˜๋Š” ๋ฌผ๋ก  ๋น„์ž ์‹ ์ฒญ, ์–ด, ํ†ต๊ด€ ํ™•์ธ,
17:25
like certifying my qualifications and thingsย  like that. But that's the boring stuff. Thenย ย 
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๋‚ด ์ž๊ฒฉ ์ฆ๋ช…๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์— ๊ด€์—ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ง€๋ฃจํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ
17:31
there's the fun things, like getting to know moreย  about Chinese culture, the language, the myths,ย ย 
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์ค‘๊ตญ ๋ฌธํ™”, ์–ธ์–ด, ์‹ ํ™”,
17:40
um, the stereotypes, the things that people sayย  about the country that, I mean, there's one thingย ย 
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์Œ, ๊ณ ์ •๊ด€๋…, ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ์ค‘๊ตญ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:47
to ignore things like that and be uninformedย  completely. And there's another thing, like,ย ย 
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์™„์ „ํžˆ. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:53
on the other hand, what I've been doing is readingย  all about it and really just like looking at bothย ย 
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ํ•œํŽธ์œผ๋กœ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฝ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง ์–‘๋ฉด์„ ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:00
sides, because I'm pretty sure a lot of it isย  just made up nonsense that people who've neverย ย 
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18:06
been to China, probably just have to say aboutย  the countries. So I've been reading a lot ofย ย 
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์ค‘๊ตญ์— ๊ฐ€๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋งˆ ์ค‘๊ตญ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ ์˜จ
18:13
blogs and vlogs, people who've lived there fromย  different countries, but I have been focusing onย ย 
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ธ”๋กœ๊ทธ์™€ ๋ธŒ์ด๋กœ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ๋งŽ์ด ์ฝ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š”
18:19
South Africans who have taught in China and, youย  know, who have shared their experiences relocatingย ย 
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์ค‘๊ตญ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์ณค๋˜ ๋‚จ์•„ํ”„๋ฆฌ์นด์ธ๋“ค๊ณผ ์ด์ฃผ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„
18:26
with their families. That's the bigger part.ย  Like if I was going by myself, adventure time,ย ย 
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๊ฐ€์กฑ๊ณผ ๊ณต์œ ํ•œ ๋‚จ์•„ํ”„๋ฆฌ์นด์ธ๋“ค์— ์ดˆ์ ์„ ๋งž์ท„์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. . ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋” ํฐ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งˆ์น˜ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ˜ผ์ž ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ, ์–ด๋“œ๋ฒค์ณ ํƒ€์ž„,
18:32
but I'm bringing along a little kid. So I, I didย  a lot of research with regards to schools andย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ž‘์€ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ํ•™๊ต์™€ ๋ณด์œก ์˜ต์…˜์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ๋งŽ์€ ์กฐ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
18:40
options for childcare. Um, and of course I'veย  started learning Chinese as well. Mandarin,ย ย 
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. ์Œ, ๋ฌผ๋ก  ์ค‘๊ตญ์–ด๋„ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ถ๊ฒฝ์–ด,
18:48
um, yeah, which is so daunting. Like one month agoย  I was so excited about Portuguese, I was seeingย ย 
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์Œ, ์˜ˆ, ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์–ด๋ ค์›Œ์š”. ํ•œ ๋‹ฌ ์ „์—๋Š” ํฌ๋ฅดํˆฌ๊ฐˆ์–ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์‹ ์ด ๋‚ฌ๊ณ 
18:55
growth, and now I've just like, yeah, it can wait. Leave it aside.ย 
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์„ฑ์žฅ์„ ๋ณด์•˜๊ณ  ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜†์— ๋‘์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
19:02
Put it on the back burner. Pushed it to the side,ย ย 
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๋ฐฑ ๋ฒ„๋„ˆ์— ์˜ฌ๋ ค ๋†“์œผ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค. ์˜†์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐ€์–ด ๋’ค
19:04
put it on theback burner. There you go.ย 
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๋ฒ„๋„ˆ์— ์˜ฌ๋ ค ๋†“์œผ์„ธ์š”. ์ž.
19:06
What does daunting mean, Casse? But yeah, so if something is daunting, uh, it,ย ย 
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๋ฒ…์ฐจ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์Šจ ๋œป์ด์•ผ, ์นด์„ธ? ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์˜ˆ, ๋งŒ์•ฝ ์–ด๋–ค ๊ฒƒ์ด ์œ„์••์ ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด, ์–ด, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€,
19:13
it's sort of scary because it's, you don't know,ย  it's, there's uncertainty involved. There'sย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๋ฌด์„œ์šด ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ถˆํ™•์‹ค์„ฑ์ด ๊ด€๋ จ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:20
perhaps risks, usually risks, and you're not sureย  how things are gonna turn out. So it's daunting.ย 
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์œ„ํ—˜, ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์œ„ํ—˜์ด ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ ์ง€ ํ™•์‹ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ฒ…์ฐจ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ์ˆ™๋ฐ• ์‹œ์„ค์„
19:27
And have you started lookingย  into accommodations there?ย 
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์•Œ์•„๋ณด๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ?
19:30
Yes. So they will pay for the hotel for twoย  weeks. So I'll say no hotel for two weeks, andย ย 
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์˜ˆ. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ 2์ฃผ ๋™์•ˆ์˜ ํ˜ธํ…” ๋น„์šฉ์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ 2์ฃผ ๋™์•ˆ ํ˜ธํ…”์ด ์—†๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋ฉด
19:37
then they will help me find accommodation. So theย  first month will just be me settling in and yeah,ย ย 
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์ˆ™์†Œ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ๋„๋ก ๋„์™€์ค„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฒซ ๋‹ฌ์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ •์ฐฉํ•˜๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ,
19:46
they'll basically guide me through, uh, all theย  basic essential things, opening a bank account,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์–ด, ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์ธ ํ•„์ˆ˜ ์‚ฌํ•ญ, ์€ํ–‰ ๊ณ„์ขŒ ๊ฐœ์„ค,
19:54
um, familiarizing myself, getting a Chinese simย  card, because as you know, we cannot use our,ย ย 
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์Œ, ์ ์‘, ์ค‘๊ตญ SIM ์นด๋“œ ๋ฐ›๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ €๋ฅผ ์•ˆ๋‚ดํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
20:02
you know, WhatsApp and otherย  things like that. So yeah.ย 
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WhatsApp ๋ฐ ๊ธฐํƒ€ ์œ ์‚ฌํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜.
20:05
You used somenicephrasal verbs there. Youย  saidthey "sort everything out" and you saidย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— somenicephrasal ๋™์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด "๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ •๋ฆฌ"ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ๊ณ 
20:10
that they help you "to settle in". Soย  what do those two phrasal verbs mean?ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด "์ •์ฐฉ"ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ด ๋‘ ๊ฐœ์˜ ๊ตฌ๋™์‚ฌ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ• ๊นŒ์š”?
20:15
Yeah. So to sort something out is to makeย  arrangements for, so they take care of theย ย 
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์‘. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์ •๋ฆฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ค€๋น„๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ฏ€๋กœ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด
20:23
arrangements, they sort everything out so that Iย  don't have to. (Nice) And to settle in means to, Iย ย 
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์ค€๋น„๋ฅผ ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌํ•˜๊ณ  ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ•  ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์—†๋„๋ก ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ •๋ฆฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . (๋‚˜์ด์Šค) ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ž๋ฆฌ์žก๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€, ์ €๋Š”
20:31
always think of it as like a drink, a pretty drinkย  where there's like still pulp or something, and itย ย 
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ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์Œ๋ฃŒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์ง ๊ณผ์œก ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‚จ์•„ ์žˆ๊ณ 
20:40
starts to settle at the bottom of the glass. Iย  dunno. So this is what it means, like when youย ย 
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์ž” ๋ฐ”๋‹ฅ์— ๊ฐ€๋ผ์•‰๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ์˜ˆ์œ ์Œ๋ฃŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
20:46
settle in, you're finding your place in a biggerย  space, so you're finding where you belong. And ifย ย 
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์ •์ฐฉํ•  ๋•Œ ๋” ํฐ ๊ณต๊ฐ„์—์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ž๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ฏ€๋กœ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์†ํ•œ ๊ณณ์„ ์ฐพ๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ์˜๋ฏธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
20:53
you think of moving and you settle in, you reallyย  get comfortable. You find, you make it your home.ย 
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์ด์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์ •์ฐฉํ•˜๋ฉด ์ •๋ง ํŽธํ•ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ง‘์œผ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:59
And speaking of home, Ethan, what about you?ย  I mean, um, in terms of accommodation, whereย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ง‘ ์–˜๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜์™€์„œ ๋ง์ธ๋ฐ, Ethan, ๋„ˆ๋Š” ์–ด๋•Œ? ๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ์Œ, ์ˆ™์†Œ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ
21:03
did you stay when you came to Brazil? Did youย  rent a place? Did you share a room with someone?ย 
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๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ์— ์™”์„ ๋•Œ ์–ด๋””์—์„œ ๋ฌต์—ˆ๋‹ˆ? ์žฅ์†Œ๋ฅผ ๋นŒ๋ ธ๋‚˜์š”? ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ๋ฐฉ์„ ๊ณต์œ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
21:08
I had several different experiences there. When Iย  first got there, I lived with three roommates. Uh,ย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฒ˜์Œ ๊ทธ๊ณณ์— ๋„์ฐฉํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์ €๋Š” ์„ธ ๋ช…์˜ ๋ฃธ๋ฉ”์ดํŠธ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์‚ด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด,
21:15
and after a few months, I was paying quite a bitย  of money. I realized later by Brazilian standards,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ช‡ ๋‹ฌ ํ›„, ๊ฝค ๋งŽ์€ ๋ˆ์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋‚˜์ค‘์— ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ ๋ณผ ๋•Œ
21:19
and, um, with, with what I was making, it didn'tย  make that much sense to spend that much of myย ย 
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์Œ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ์›”๊ธ‰์˜ ๋งŽ์€ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ์“ฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ๋ง์ด ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
21:24
salary on that. So I ended up, uh, I was gone toย  the States for a month for Christmas, and whenย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ, ์–ด, ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค๋งˆ์Šค์— ํ•œ ๋‹ฌ ๋™์•ˆ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์— ๊ฐ”๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๋Œ์•„์™€์„œ ๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ ๋ ˆํ‘ธ๋ธ”๋ฆฌ์นด๋ผ๊ณ 
21:29
I came back, I moved into a, what's called inย  Brazil Repรบblica, um, (Oh) which does not existย ย 
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๋ถˆ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ณณ์œผ๋กœ ์ด์‚ฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, (์˜ค)
21:36
in the States, that, that concept. But I livedย  with like eight guys in downtown Belo Horizonte,ย ย 
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—๋Š” ์กด์žฌํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ณณ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. , ๊ทธ ๊ฐœ๋…. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ๋ฒจ๋ฃจ์˜ค๋ฆฌ์กด์น˜ ์‹œ๋‚ด์—์„œ 8๋ช… ์ •๋„์˜ ๋‚จ์ž๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์‚ด์•˜๋Š”๋ฐ,
21:42
very crazy experience. So it was like, uh, seven,ย  seven Brazilians and one Italian guy. And, uh,ย ย 
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์ •๋ง ๋ฏธ์นœ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, 7๋ช…, 7๋ช…์˜ ๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ์ธ๊ณผ 1๋ช…์˜ ์ดํƒˆ๋ฆฌ์•„์ธ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ์–ด,
21:48
and myself, and I had the maid's closet. So in,ย  in my tiny little room fit a mattress, a, uh,ย ย 
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๋‚˜, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ํ•˜๋…€์˜ ์˜ท์žฅ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚ด ์กฐ๊ทธ๋งˆํ•œ ๋ฐฉ์— ๋งคํŠธ๋ฆฌ์Šค, ์•„, ์–ด,
21:56
what do you call it, an, an armoire or like aย  dresser and a meditation cushion behind the doorย ย 
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์˜ท์žฅ, ํ™”์žฅ๋Œ€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋ฌธ ๋’ค์— ๋ช…์ƒ ์ฟ ์…˜์ด ์žˆ์–ด์„œ
22:02
so I could like meditate and that's it. And justย  enough room for the door to open and close, that,ย ย 
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๋ช…์ƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค์˜ˆ์š”. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฌธ์„ ์—ด๊ณ  ๋‹ซ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•œ ๊ณต๊ฐ„, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค
22:06
that was it. That was the, the entire room. Actually you did share with us the other dayย ย 
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์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ „์ฒด ๋ฐฉ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ์‹ค ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ €๋ฒˆ์— ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค๊ณผ ์•„ํŒŒํŠธ๋ฅผ ๊ณต์œ ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ทธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ๋– ์˜ฌ๋ฆฌ๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋Š” ์˜ํ™”๋ฅผ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์™€ ๊ณต์œ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
22:11
a movie that reminds you of that experienceย  - of sharing the apartment with, you know,ย ย 
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22:16
other Brazilian friends. And there's also, Iย  guess an Italian guy you said, right? (Right)ย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ•œ ์ดํƒˆ๋ฆฌ์•„ ๋‚จ์ž๋„ ์žˆ์ฃ ? (์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ)
22:21
Um, could you tell us a little bitย  about that movie that you shared?ย 
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์Œ, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ณต์œ ํ•œ ๊ทธ ์˜ํ™”์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋งํ•ด์ค„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
22:24
Yeah, that one, I'd say it reminds me even more ofย  my experience, uh, having lived in, in Mallorca,ย ย 
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์˜ˆ, ์ €๊ฑฐ์š”, ์ œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ๋” ์ƒ๊ฐ๋‚˜๋„ค์š”. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ๋งˆ์š”๋ฅด์นด์—์„œ
22:30
for example, when I was studying, or in Barcelona,ย  it's called L' Auberge Espagnole, it's a Frenchย ย 
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๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•  ๋•Œ์˜€์ฃ . ๋ฐ”๋ฅด์…€๋กœ๋‚˜์—์„œ L' Auberge Espagnole์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋Š” ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค
22:35
movie. I probably butcheredthe pronunciation,ย  but it means the, the Spanish apartment. And it'sย ย 
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์˜ํ™”์˜ˆ์š”. . ์•„๋งˆ ๋ฐœ์Œ์„ ๋„์‚ดํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ, ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ ์•„ํŒŒํŠธ๋ฅผ ์˜๋ฏธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€
22:41
actually about a French guy who goes on Erasmus.ย  Uh, Erasmus is a program that they have in Europe,ย ย 
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์—๋ผ์Šค๋ฌด์Šค์— ๊ฐ€๋Š” ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค ๋‚จ์ž์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด, ์—๋ผ์Šค๋ฌด์Šค๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์œ ๋Ÿฝ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์ธ๋ฐ,
22:45
which is exchange between universities. So heย  goes on Erasmus, on an exchange program to live inย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋Œ€ํ•™ ๊ฐ„์˜ ๊ต๋ฅ˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋Š” ๋ฐ”๋ฅด์…€๋กœ๋‚˜ ์— ์‚ด๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๊ตํ™˜ ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์œผ๋กœ ์—๋ผ์Šค๋ฌด์Šค์— ๊ฐ€์„œ ์‚ด ๊ณณ์„ ์ฐพ๊ธฐ
22:51
Barcelona, and he's hunting for apartments for aย  place to live. And he goes to this place that has,ย ย 
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์œ„ํ•ด ์•„ํŒŒํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Š”
22:58
uh, and, and we'll, we'll roll, uh, roll, we'llย  watch this scene together, but he goes to thisย ย 
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์–ด, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด ์žฅ๋ฉด์„ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋ณผ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ด ์žฅ์†Œ๋กœ ๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:05
place that's really cool because it's a mixย  of all sorts of different nationalities livingย ย 
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๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๊ตญ์ ์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
23:09
there in the same small quarters, you know? Andย  I've had many experiences like this where, whenย ย 
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๊ฐ™์€ ์ž‘์€ ๊ตฌ์—ญ์— ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š”
23:15
I was living in Mallorca, I lived with, uh, twoย  Spanish guys and one British guy. And we'd have,ย ย 
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๋งˆ์š”๋ฅด์นด์— ์‚ด ๋•Œ, ์–ด, ๋‘ ๋ช…์˜ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ ๋‚จ์ž์™€ ํ•œ ๋ช…์˜ ์˜๊ตญ ๋‚จ์ž์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์‚ด์•˜๋˜ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ๋งŽ์ด ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
23:21
we, we spent a lot of time with the Erasmusย  students. So, you know, we'd be having like aย ย 
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์—๋ผ์Šค๋ฌด์Šค ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค๊ณผ ๋งŽ์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ, ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
23:25
party and there'd be people from all over Europeย  and, and even from different parts of the world,ย ย 
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ํŒŒํ‹ฐ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ  ์œ ๋Ÿฝ ์ „์—ญ์—์„œ ์˜จ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ฌ์ง€์–ด ์„ธ๊ณ„ ๊ฐ์ง€์—์„œ ์˜จ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๋„ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:30
you know, like I had my Brazilian friends and,ย  and other peopleSo, uh, I love this movie becauseย ย 
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๋งˆ์น˜ ์ œ ๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค๊ณผ, ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ, ์–ด , ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ด ์˜ํ™”๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฌธํ™”์™€ ์–ต์–‘ ๋“ฑ์ด
23:34
it really reminds me so much of being in thatย  kind of environment that's just a melting potย ย 
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๋’ค์„ž์ธ ์šฉ๊ด‘๋กœ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์— ์žˆ๊ณ 
23:38
of different cultures and accents and stuff,ย  you know, and speaking Spanish and English andย ย 
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์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด์™€ ์˜์–ด ๋ฐ
23:43
other languages. A lot of times what happensย  when you move to another place, in fact, isย ย 
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๊ธฐํƒ€ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์„ ๋– ์˜ฌ๋ฆฌ๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์žฅ์†Œ๋กœ ์ด์‚ฌํ•  ๋•Œ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋Š” ์ผ์€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋ฐฐ๋ฅผ ํƒ€๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ํ˜„์ง€์ธ๋ณด๋‹ค ๊ทธ๊ณณ์œผ๋กœ ์ด์‚ฌํ•œ
23:47
it's easier to make friends with other people whoย  have also moved there than it is with the locals,ย ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์นœ๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ๊ท€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋” ์‰ฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
23:53
because you're in the same boat. Right? And you,ย  you feel that empathy of a sharedexperience.ย 
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. ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ณต์œ  ๊ฒฝํ—˜์˜ ๊ณต๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๋‚๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:58
That sounds fun and multicultural. By the way,ย  we actually have, uh, a clip from that movie,ย ย 
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์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋‹ค๋ฌธํ™”์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋“ค๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ณ , ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ทธ ์˜ํ™”์˜ ํด๋ฆฝ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:03
Ethan. So I'm gonna ask our producer Iceย  T to roll it now and let's check it out.ย 
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Ethan. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ”„๋กœ๋“€์„œ ICE T์—๊ฒŒ ์ง€๊ธˆ ํ‹€์–ด๋‹ฌ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€ํƒํ•˜๊ณ  ํ™•์ธํ•ด๋ณด์ž.
24:08
Yes. You see the rent is not so cheap, soย  we have to be a lot. So it becomes much moreย ย 
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์˜ˆ. ์ž„๋Œ€๋ฃŒ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ ์ €๋ ดํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋‹ˆ ๋งŽ์ด ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋”
24:13
cheaper. Um, but we have to organize things soย  it becomes possible for everybody, you see? Yes.ย ย 
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์ €๋ ดํ•ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•˜๋„๋ก ์ •๋ฆฌํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ.
24:19
Yes. Okay. Now I have some questions, Xavier.ย  What are you studying? Economy. Ah, economy.ย ย 
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์˜ˆ. ์ข‹์•„์š”. ์ด์ œ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, Xavier. ๋ฌด์Šจ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•ด? ๊ฒฝ์ œ. ์•„, ๊ฒฝ์ œ.
24:29
And what do you expect your life to be in aboutย  five years? <speaking Spanish> That's a ridiculousย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•ฝ 5๋…„ ํ›„์— ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์‚ถ์€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ? <speaking Spanish> ์šฐ์Šค๊ฝ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด
24:35
question. You can't ask... Why? We have to...ย  I dunno what I'm gonna be doing... Listen,ย ย 
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์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ฌผ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค... ์™œ? ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”... ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ญ˜ ํ•ด์•ผํ• ์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด... ๋“ค์–ด๋ด,
24:41
this is a very normal question. I have aย  list of question. Anybody don't like myย ย 
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์ด๊ฑด ์•„์ฃผ ํ‰๋ฒ”ํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด์•ผ. ์งˆ๋ฌธ ๋ชฉ๋ก์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚ด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“ค์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”
24:46
question? Want to ask another question? Thenย  go. Oh, seriously... What does it matter?ย 
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? ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ์ด๋™ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค, ์ง„์‹ฌ์œผ๋กœ... ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ƒ๊ด€์ด์•ผ?
24:52
I thought it's funny that they'reย  interviewing him like a job interviewย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์ทจ์—… ๋ฉด์ ‘์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์›ƒ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
24:54
almost. Yeah? But the environment is soย  casual, it's so like, cool, you know?ย 
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. ์‘? ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์บ์ฃผ์–ผํ•ด์„œ ์ •๋ง ๋ฉ‹์ง€์ฃ ?
25:01
Yeah. They talk about, there's, uh, there's,ย  there's one girl who's like local. That's it,ย ย 
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์‘. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ํ˜„์ง€์ธ ๊ฐ™์€ ์—ฌ์ž๊ฐ€ ํ•œ ๋ช… ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค์•ผ,
25:06
the only person who's actually, uh, she, she'sย  from Tarragona, and I think there's a German,ย ย 
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์œ ์ผํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€, ์–ด, ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ํƒ€๋ผ๊ณ ๋‚˜ ์ถœ์‹ ์ด๊ณ  ๋…์ผ์ธ,
25:12
a Danish guy, and Italian, uh, the girl is,ย  is British. There's another guy, I think who'sย ย 
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๋ด๋งˆํฌ์ธ, ์ดํƒˆ๋ฆฌ์•„์ธ, ์–ด, ๊ทธ ์—ฌ์ž๋Š” ์˜๊ตญ์ธ์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‚จ์ž๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ,
25:18
British, and he also speaks French. And soย  it's, and, and the guy who's interviewing is,ย ย 
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์˜๊ตญ์ธ์ด๊ณ  ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค์–ด๋„ ํ•  ์ค„ ์••๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ , ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋‚จ์ž๋Š”,
25:22
and the main character of the movie is French.ย  So, uh, it's like, it's, it's such a cool sortย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์˜ํ™”์˜ ์ฃผ์ธ๊ณต์€ ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค์ธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ, ์–ด, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งˆ์น˜,
25:27
of environment to be in where people all haveย  these different, they're coming from theseย ย 
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ
25:30
very different experiences in life, right? Ethan, uh, do you have any comments aboutย ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ถ์˜ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์—์„œ ์˜ค๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งž์ฃ ? Ethan, ์–ด, ํด๋ฆฝ์— ๋‚˜์˜ค๋Š” ๋“ฑ์žฅ์ธ๋ฌผ์˜ ์˜์–ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด ์žˆ์œผ์‹ ๊ฐ€์š”
25:34
the characters' English there in the clip?ย  What, what could you say about their English?ย 
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? ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์˜์–ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
25:38
Uh, yeah. I think one of the really interestingย  things about this is that we hear many differentย ย 
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์–ด, ๊ทธ๋ž˜. ์ด๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ •๋ง ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ์  ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ
25:43
Englishes and, and levels of English. And I'm sureย  even some of you listeners might have heard themย ย 
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์˜์–ด์™€ ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์ค€์„ ๋“ฃ๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ฒญ์ทจ์ž ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด
25:49
making some mistakes, some of the characters, butย  despite that, none of them have any problem. Andย ย 
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์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ค์—ˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์บ๋ฆญํ„ฐ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€์ด์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ์—๋„ ๋ถˆ๊ตฌํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค ์ค‘ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋„ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
25:54
us watching it have no problem understanding whatย  they're trying to communicate. Right? Even thoughย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ „๋‹ฌํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์•„๋ฌด๋Ÿฐ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ?
25:58
some of the questions are a bit, are a bit funny,ย  right. Uh, but yeah, actually we, um, I noticed atย ย 
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์ผ๋ถ€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„, ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ์›ƒ๊ธฐ์ง€๋งŒ ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด, ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋„ค, ์‚ฌ์‹ค ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์Œ, ์ฒ˜์Œ์— ์•Œ์•„์ฐจ๋ ธ๋Š”๋ฐ
26:05
the beginning, I think the guy is Danish orย  German, the one who's kind of the, the headย ย 
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, ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๊ทธ ๋‚จ์ž๋Š” ๋ด๋งˆํฌ ์ธ์ด๋‚˜ ๋…์ผ์ธ์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”
26:10
interviewer we could say. And he says the rent,ย  we have to be many so that the rent becomes muchย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ž„๋Œ€๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž„๋Œ€๋ฃŒ๊ฐ€ ํ›จ์”ฌ
26:15
more cheaper. So it's kind of infamous in downtownย  Barcelona, the apartments can be a bit expensive.ย ย 
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๋” ์ €๋ ดํ•ด์ง€๋ ค๋ฉด ๋งŽ์ด ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ฐ”๋ฅด์…€๋กœ๋‚˜ ์‹œ๋‚ด์—์„œ ์•…๋ช… ๋†’์€ ๊ณณ์œผ๋กœ ์•„ํŒŒํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๋น„์Œ€ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:20
If you're student, you don't tend to have a lotย  of money. So this is a common situation, right?ย 
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ํ•™์ƒ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด ๋ˆ์ด ๋งŽ์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:23
It has also to do with the comparative,ย  right? Because the word cheap is onlyย ย 
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๋น„๊ต๊ธ‰๊ณผ๋„ ๊ด€๋ จ์ด ์žˆ์ฃ  ? ์‹ผ ๋‹จ์–ด๋Š” ์Œ์ ˆ์ด
26:26
one syllable long, so we tend to just add -erย  for comparative there. Yeah. (Right) We tendย ย 
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ํ•œ ์Œ์ ˆ๋ฐ–์— ์•ˆ ๋˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋น„๊ต๊ธ‰์„ ์œ„ํ•ด -er๋ฅผ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์‘. (์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ) ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
26:32
to use more for like longer words. Yeah? Mm-hmm. Yeah. You could actually, yeah,ย ย 
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๋” ๊ธด ๋‹จ์–ด์— ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘? ์Œ-ํ . ์‘. ๋„ค ๋ง์ด
26:37
you're right. If you said like, uh, beautiful.ย  It's much more beautiful, then that's correct.ย 
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๋งž์•„. ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์–ด, ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ต๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด. ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:42
There you go. But Casse, don't feel left outย  because I actually have a clip for you as well andย ย 
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์ž. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ Casse, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ํด๋ฆฝ๋„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ 
26:47
it is about China. But before we actually watchย  that, you know, uh, I thought it'll be cool toย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ค‘๊ตญ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์†Œ์™ธ๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๋ผ์ง€ ๋งˆ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์— , ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ,
26:55
do exactly what I do with my students, which is toย  try to get you to predict what the video is gonnaย ย 
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์ œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฉ‹์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฆ‰, ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์—
27:01
be about. Yeah? They, uh, it's a couple. They'reย  talking about, uh, China specifically, and I haveย ย 
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๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€ ์˜ˆ์ธกํ•˜๋„๋ก ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘? ๊ทธ๋“ค์€, ์–ด, ์ปคํ”Œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ํŠนํžˆ ์ค‘๊ตญ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
27:08
some words here that they mention in the clip.ย  So they mention Reminiscent, Stab and Curse inย ย 
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ํด๋ฆฝ์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•œ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋‹จ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ํด๋ฆฝ์—์„œ Reminicent, Stab ๋ฐ Curse๋ฅผ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
27:14
the clip. Okay. So before you predict, could youย  define the word Reminiscent to our listeners here?ย 
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. ์ข‹์•„์š”. ์˜ˆ์ธกํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์— ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ์ฒญ์ทจ์ž์—๊ฒŒ Reminicent๋ผ๋Š” ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ •์˜ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
27:21
So if something is reminiscent, it reminds you ofย  something or someone, an event. So you can say,ย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์—ฐ์ƒ๋˜๋ฉด ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€, ์‚ฌ๊ฑด์„ ์ƒ๊ธฐ์‹œํ‚ต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:32
today's reminiscent of the first time I didย  something, I don't know, whatever it is.ย 
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์˜ค๋Š˜์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ฒ˜์Œ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์—ฐ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋“  ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:39
And Ethan, what does it mean to stab something? Can have a violent sort of connotation, right? Of,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  Ethan, ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์ฐŒ๋ฅด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ํญ๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ์˜๋ฏธ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ฃ ?
27:44
of someone stabbing someone with a knife thatย  you, if you see any like, criminal drama orย ย 
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์นผ๋กœ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์ฐŒ๋ฅด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ณธ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๋ฒ”์ฃ„ ๋“œ๋ผ๋งˆ
27:48
something like that, uh, or it happens in realย  life as well. Uh, but we can also say, you know,ย ย 
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๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ, ์–ด, ๋˜๋Š” ํ˜„์‹ค์—์„œ๋„ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ . ์–ด, ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํฌํฌ
27:54
to stab something, like if you stab a tomato withย  your fork, it's like you're kind of forcefullyย ย 
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๋กœ ํ† ๋งˆํ† ๋ฅผ ์ฐŒ๋ฅด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์ด ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์ฐŒ๋ฅด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ํฌํฌ๋กœ ์ ‘์‹œ์—์„œ
28:00
grabbing that tomato off of your plate with yourย  fork. So it's, it's like, has to do with, uh,ย ย 
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ํ† ๋งˆํ† ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ•์ œ๋กœ ์›€์ผœ์ฅ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งˆ์น˜, ์–ด,
28:04
it has to do with a penetration, right? Right. And finally, curse. How wouldย ย 
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์นจํˆฌ์™€ ๊ด€๋ จ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ? ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์œผ๋กœ ์ €์ฃผ.
28:09
you define curse, Casse? So a curse is bad wishes,ย ย 
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์ €์ฃผ๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ •์˜ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ, Casse? ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €์ฃผ๋Š” ๋‚˜์œ ์†Œ์›์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:15
you know, if someone wishes bad on someone else,ย ย 
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ ๋‚˜์œ ์†Œ์›์„ ๋นŒ๋ฉด
28:19
they're generally cursing that person. But curseย  can also mean to swear like a swear word. So,ย ย 
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์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ์ €์ฃผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ curse๋Š” ์š•์„ค์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์š•ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
28:27
but I think in, I think you would useย  that word obviously in different contexts,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋งฅ๋ฝ์—์„œ ๊ทธ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:33
but don't you say cuss in American English? We can say both. We can say curse,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์‹ ์˜์–ด๋กœ๋Š” cuss๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋‚˜์š”? ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ €์ฃผ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜
28:37
but you can say cuss or swear. But Casse, looking at these words,ย ย 
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์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ €์ฃผ๋‚˜ ๋งน์„ธ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ Casse, ์ด ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋ฉด
28:42
reminiscent, stab and curse, what do youย  think the clip is gonna be about? Any ideas?ย 
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ํšŒ์ƒ, ์ฐŒ๋ฅด๊ณ  ์ €์ฃผ, ํด๋ฆฝ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์„ธ์š”? ์–ด๋–ค ์•„์ด๋””์–ด?
28:49
Someone is trying to, they'reย  describing a new experienceย ย 
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๋Š” ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ์„ค๋ช…
29:00
and thinking about and comparing it to aย  previous experience that they had. So like,ย ย 
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ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์ด์ „ ๊ฒฝํ—˜๊ณผ ๋น„๊ตํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด,
29:07
they're experiencing something new and they'reย  comparing to something. Maybe they're using stabย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€์™€ ๋น„๊ตํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฒ˜์Œ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์‹œ๋„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ
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in the context of like, take a stab at something,ย  like trying something for the first time. Curse,ย ย 
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๊ฐ™์ด ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์ฐŒ๋ฅด๋‹ค์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋งฅ๋ฝ์—์„œ ์ฐŒ๋ฅด๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ €์ฃผ,
29:22
curse of knowledge. I'm trying to think ofย  positive ways that they're, that they mightย ย 
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์ง€์‹์˜ ์ €์ฃผ. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ด ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
29:28
use this word. Oh, maybe curse inย  like swearing, like, don't curse here.ย 
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. ์•„, ์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ์š•์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์š•์„ ํ• ์ง€๋„ ๋ชฐ๋ผ์š”. ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ์š•ํ•˜์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”.
29:32
You're hoping it's not like, don't curseย  or else you're gonna get stabbed, you know.ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์š•ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์นผ์— ์ฐ”๋ฆด ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:36
Great job with the predictions. Uh,ย  I'm gonna ask our producer again,ย ย 
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์˜ˆ์ธก์„ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํ”„๋กœ๋“€์„œ
29:40
Ice T, to roll the clip and let's check it out. Number three, chopsticks. Chopsticks are theย ย 
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Ice T์—๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ณผ๊ฒŒ ํด๋ฆฝ์„ ๊ตด๋ ค์„œ ํ™•์ธํ•ด ๋ด…์‹œ๋‹ค. ์„ธ ๋ฒˆ์งธ, ์ “๊ฐ€๋ฝ. ์ “๊ฐ€๋ฝ์€
29:47
primary eating utensil here in China, and there'sย  a couple things you need to remember about whatย ย 
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์ค‘๊ตญ์˜ ์ฃผ์š” ์‹๊ธฐ์ด๋ฉฐ ์ “๊ฐ€๋ฝ์œผ๋กœ ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ง์•„์•ผ ํ•  ์ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์‚ฌํ•ญ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
29:51
not to do with them. The first thing is don't putย  chopsticks in a bowl of rice with them stickingย ย 
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. ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ๋ฐฅ๊ทธ๋ฆ‡์— ์ “๊ฐ€๋ฝ์„ ๊ผฟ๊ผฟ์ด
29:57
up, right? Normally if we visit our ancestors'ย  graves, um, there are three bowls of rice inย ย 
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์„ธ์šด ์ƒํƒœ๋กœ ๋„ฃ์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ? ๋ณดํ†ต ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์กฐ์ƒ์˜ ๋ฌด๋ค์„ ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธํ•˜๋ฉด ์Œ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•ž์—๋Š” ๋ฐฅ ์„ธ ๊ทธ๋ฆ‡์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
30:05
front of us. We'll stick this chopstick on top ofย  it. So if you're eating with your Chinese friend,ย ย 
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. ์ด ์ “๊ฐ€๋ฝ์„ ๊ทธ ์œ„์— ๋ถ™์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์ค‘๊ตญ์ธ ์นœ๊ตฌ์™€ ์‹์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
30:14
do not do that. They're not gonna appreciateย  that. So it's kind of reminiscent of when youย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
30:19
visit your dead relatives in the graves? Yes.ย  Okay. I can see what that's gonna look. Youย ย 
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๋ฌด๋ค์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์ฃฝ์€ ์นœ์ฒ™์„ ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ๋ฅผ ์—ฐ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๋‚˜์š”? ์˜ˆ. ์ข‹์•„์š”. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ณด์ผ์ง€ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€
30:23
don't wanna curse them. Also, you neverย  want to take your chopsticks and pointย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ์ €์ฃผํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ํ•œ ์ “๊ฐ€๋ฝ์„ ๋“ค๊ณ  ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋ฆฌํ‚ค๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
30:27
it at someone. Okay? I imagine in the westย  it's kind of rude to do that with your fork,ย ย 
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. ์ข‹์•„์š”? ์„œ๋ถ€์—์„œ๋Š” ํฌํฌ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌด๋ก€ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐ
30:31
but it's much more serious here. You wouldn'tย  wanna point at anyone with your chopsticks.ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—์„œ๋Š” ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์‹ฌ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ “๊ฐ€๋ฝ์œผ๋กœ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋ฆฌํ‚ค๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:34
Yes. And some of the rude people, like we areย  talking about the rude people, sometimes they areย ย 
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์˜ˆ. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์–ด๋–ค ๋ฌด๋ก€ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด๋ก€ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ, ๋•Œ๋•Œ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€
30:40
just using the chopsticks, like I think it'sย  like this. That's really, really scary to doย ย 
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์ “๊ฐ€๋ฝ๋งŒ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์ด๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ •๋ง ์ •๋ง ๋ฌด์„œ์šด ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
30:46
that. If you can't use chopstick, you mightย  have a difficult time here in China becauseย ย 
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. ์ “๊ฐ€๋ฝ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์ค‘๊ตญ์—์„œ๋Š”
30:50
they're used everywhere. However, you are neverย  to stab food with the chopsticks. The whole pointย ย 
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์–ด๋””์—์„œ๋‚˜ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์–ด๋ ค์›€์„ ๊ฒช์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์ “๊ฐ€๋ฝ์œผ๋กœ ์Œ์‹์„ ์ฐ”๋Ÿฌ์„œ๋Š” ์•ˆ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:55
of chopsticks is that they are a non-violentย  alternative to other eating utensils in history.ย ย 
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์ “๊ฐ€๋ฝ์˜ ์š”์ ์€ ์—ญ์‚ฌ์ƒ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ โ€‹โ€‹์‹๊ธฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋น„ํญ๋ ฅ์ ์ธ ๋Œ€์•ˆ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:00
So if you're stabbing your food with it becauseย  you can't pick it up, that's probably a no-no.ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์Œ์‹์„ ์ง‘์–ด๋“ค ์ˆ˜ ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์Œ์‹์„ ์ฐŒ๋ฅด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์•ˆ ๋˜๋Š” ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:05
So how are your chopstick skills,ย  Casse? I'm itching to know now.ย 
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์ “๊ฐ€๋ฝ ์‹ค๋ ฅ์€ ์–ด๋•Œ, Casse? ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ง€๊ธˆ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ธฐ์— ๊ฐ€๋ ต๋‹ค.
31:08
They're pretty good. So Casse, any comments on the clip?ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ฝค ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ Casse, ํด๋ฆฝ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
31:12
That was quite, uh, funny. I found it funnyย  because I actually read about some of this. Um, soย ย 
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๊ฝค, ์–ด, ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ด๊ฒƒ ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ฝ์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
31:23
I knew about the chopstick no-no. Um, yeah, I knewย  about that one. Uh, and pointing them at people,ย ย 
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์ “๊ฐ€๋ฝ ๋…ธ๋…ธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ์Œ, ๋„ค, ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ์–ด, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฆฌํ‚ค๋ฉฐ
31:33
I also read that. And even with your fingers,ย  uh, I heard that you shouldn't pointat people,ย ย 
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์ €๋„ ์ฝ์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์†๊ฐ€๋ฝ์œผ๋กœ๋„, ์Œ, ์†๊ฐ€๋ฝ์œผ๋กœ๋„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฆฌํ‚ค๋ฉด ์•ˆ ๋œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋“ค์—ˆ์–ด
31:40
um, with your fingers either. You rather gestureย  with your palm. (Interesting) So it's over thereย ย 
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. ์ฐจ๋ผ๋ฆฌ ์†๋ฐ”๋‹ฅ์œผ๋กœ ์ œ์Šค์ฒ˜๋ฅผ ์ทจํ•˜์„ธ์š”. (ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ๋‹ค) ์ €์ชฝ์ด
31:46
instead of over there. Oh, you, you, (Interesting)ย  (Interesting) (Wow.) Very interesting.ย 
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์ €์ชฝ์— ์žˆ๋„ค. Oh, you, you, (ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ๋‹ค) (ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ๋‹ค) (์™€์šฐ.) ์•„์ฃผ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋‹ค.
31:53
Still on that subject, have you learnedย  any other cultural do's or don'ts?ย 
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์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๊ทธ ์ฃผ์ œ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด, ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฌธํ™”์  ํ–‰๋™์ด๋‚˜ ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ง์•„์•ผ ํ•  ํ–‰๋™์„ ๋ฐฐ์šด ์ ์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
31:58
I have. Chinese culture is very reserved. So Iย  heard things like public displays of affectionย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ ์žˆ๋‹ค. ์ค‘๊ตญ ๋ฌธํ™”๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ์ œํ•œ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ณต๊ฐœ์ ์ธ ์• ์ • ํ‘œํ˜„
32:06
or just general, like loud laughing or being angryย  in public. I mean, sometimes you're so angry,ย ย 
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์ด๋‚˜ ๋Œ€์ค‘ ์•ž์—์„œ ํฐ ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋กœ ์›ƒ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ œ ๋ง์€, ๊ฐ€๋” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ํ™”๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜์„œ
32:15
like, ah, man, I think I have to mute theseย  behaviors. I don't think I'll ever stop,ย ย 
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์•„, ์ด๋Ÿฐ ํ–‰๋™์„ ์Œ์†Œ๊ฑฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š” . ์ ˆ๋Œ€ ๋ฉˆ์ถ”์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์ง€๋งŒ
32:22
but I could learn to mute them. Ethan, there's some nice connectedย ย 
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์Œ์†Œ๊ฑฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฒ•์„ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Ethan,
32:27
speech also in this clip we just saw.ย  Yeah. Could you point some of theย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ๋ณธ ์ด ํด๋ฆฝ์—๋„ ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋œ ์—ฐ์„ค์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘.
32:30
connected speech patterns there that we heard? Yeah, I noticed that. Uh, so he says a bowl ofย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋“ค์—ˆ๋˜ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋œ ์Œ์„ฑ ํŒจํ„ด ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€๋ฅผ ์ง€์ ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์˜ˆ, ์•Œ์•„์ฐจ๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ฐฅ ํ•œ ๊ทธ๋ฆ‡์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”
32:36
rice. He doesn't say it that way. He says, a,ย  a bowl of rice or a bowl of rice. I'm not sureย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Š” ๋ฐฅ ํ•œ ๊ทธ๋ฆ‡ ๋˜๋Š” ๋ฐฅ ํ•œ ๊ทธ๋ฆ‡์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:41
exactly how he said it, but you would hear oftenย  Americans say it both those ways: bowl of rice orย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋งํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€๋Š” ์ž˜ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ธ๋“ค์ด ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ž์ฃผ ๋“ฃ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค: ๋ฐฅ๊ทธ๋ฆ‡ ๋˜๋Š”
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bowl o' rice. Bowl o' something. Uh, there wasย  another one too, he said in, in front of us,ย ย 
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๋ฐฅ๊ทธ๋ฆ‡. ๊ทธ๋ฆ‡ o' ๋ญ”๊ฐ€. ์–ด, ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ทธ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•ž์—์„œ ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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this is a really good one because it's got severalย  elements of connected speech. We'd say - in frontย ย 
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋œ ์Œ์„ฑ์˜ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์š”์†Œ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” -
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of us, in front of us. So you have the NT inย  front. We drop the T sound the N connects toย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•ž์—์„œ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•ž์—์„œ. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ NT๊ฐ€ ์•ž์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” N์ด ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•˜๋Š” T ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ OF์— ๋–จ์–ด๋œจ๋ ค
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the OF which becomes a schwa sound UH, in frontย  of, and the 'v at the end of OF connects to US,ย ย 
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์Šˆ์™€ ์†Œ๋ฆฌ UH๊ฐ€ ๋˜๊ณ  OF์˜ ๋์—์„œ 'v๊ฐ€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•ž์—์„œ US์— ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋˜๋„๋ก ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
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in front of us. And then finally, theย  last one, that I took note of is, uh,ย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์œผ๋กœ, ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์œผ๋กœ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ฃผ๋ชฉํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€, ์–ด,
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if you pick something up with your chopsticks,ย  so he said, pick it up, pick it up. You haveย ย 
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์ “๊ฐ€๋ฝ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์ง‘์œผ๋ฉด, ์ง‘์œผ๋ผ๊ณ , ์ง‘์œผ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
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an American T there. And all three of thoseย  words really linked together. Pick it up.ย 
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๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ์•„๋ฉ”๋ฆฌ์นธ T๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด ์„ธ ๋‹จ์–ด ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ •๋ง ์„œ๋กœ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง‘์œผ์„ธ์š”. ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ
33:28
You know, listening to Casse sharing, uh, someย  of these cultural, you know, differences, right,ย ย 
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, Casse ๊ณต์œ ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์œผ๋ฉด์„œ, ์–ด, ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋ฌธํ™”์ , ์ฐจ์ด์  ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€,
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and also this clip, uh, it really reminds us ofย  the importance of getting to know other cultures.ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด ํด๋ฆฝ์€, ์–ด, ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฌธํ™”๋ฅผ ์•Œ์•„๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์˜ ์ค‘์š”์„ฑ์„ ์ •๋ง ์ผ๊นจ์›Œ์ค๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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Yeah? And expanding our worldview, our perspectiveย  of the world. And it just so happens that you canย ย 
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์‘? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์„ธ๊ณ„๊ด€, ์„ธ๊ณ„์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ด€์ ์„ ํ™•์žฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ชจ๊ตญ์—์„œ
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do that with our app as well, from the comfort of,ย  of your native country. Actually you can connectย ย 
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ํŽธ์•ˆํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ €ํฌ ์•ฑ์œผ๋กœ๋„ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ
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with people from all over the world, have a niceย  short conversation and get to know more about thatย ย 
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์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์งง์€ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋ฉฐ ๊ทธ
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person's country, culture, habits, traditions.ย  So it's really, really cool. Speaking of the app,ย ย 
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€, ๋ฌธํ™”, ์Šต๊ด€, ์ „ํ†ต์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง ์ •๋ง ๋ฉ‹์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ฑ ์–˜๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜์™€์„œ ๋ง์ธ๋ฐ
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we do have some shout outs today here toย  some of our followers, so let's get into it.
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์˜ค๋Š˜ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ํŒ”๋กœ์–ด ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€์—๊ฒŒ ์ธ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ์ „ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์•ฑ์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋ด…์‹œ๋‹ค.
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I'm pretty sure the Roman Empire lasted a veryย  long time, maybe T. can look up for us. Ice-T,ย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋กœ๋งˆ ์ œ๊ตญ์ด ์•„์ฃผ ์˜ค๋ž˜ ์ง€์†๋˜์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์•„๋งˆ๋„ T.๊ฐ€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Ice-T,
35:30
how long did the Roman Empire last? Yeah, I'm curious now.ย 
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๋กœ๋งˆ ์ œ๊ตญ์€ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์˜ค๋ž˜ ์ง€์†๋˜์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”? ๋„ค, ์ง€๊ธˆ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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Hey, guys, I checked here and the Romanย  Empire lasted for over a thousand years.ย 
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์–˜๋“ค์•„ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ํ™•์ธํ•ด๋ณด๋‹ˆ ๋กœ๋งˆ ์ œ๊ตญ์ด ์ฒœ๋…„ ๋„˜๊ฒŒ ์ง€์†๋์–ด.
35:38
Wow, more than a thousand years? Okay! Go RealLife!ย 
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์™€์šฐ, ์ฒœ๋…„ ์ด์ƒ? ์ข‹์•„์š”! ๋ฆฌ์–ผ๋ผ์ดํ”„๋กœ ๊ฐ€์„ธ์š”!
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Thank you so much. That's awesome, yeah!ย 
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๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ต‰์žฅํ•ด, ๊ทธ๋ž˜!
35:45
Long live RealLife! Long liveย  RealLife English, that's awesome!
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RealLife ๋งŒ์„ธ! RealLife English ๋งŒ์„ธ, ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค!
35:51
Alright, so now it's time for the RealLifeย  Way moment of the episode. And I would haveย ย 
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์ž, ์ด์ œ ์—ํ”ผ์†Œ๋“œ์˜ RealLife Way ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
35:58
to say that a component that connects withย  today's talk is definitely Connected. Ethan,ย ย 
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์˜ค๋Š˜์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ์™€ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋˜๋Š” ๊ตฌ์„ฑ ์š”์†Œ๋Š” ํ™•์‹คํžˆ Connected๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Ethan, ์˜ค๋Š˜
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what could you say about connecting yourย  English to this topic that we are discussingย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋…ผ์˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”
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today about traveling and moving abroad? Well, I'll talk first of all about theย ย 
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์—ฌํ–‰ ๋ฐ ํ•ด์™ธ ์ด์‚ฌ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ์ด ์ฃผ์ œ์— ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ญ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์Œ, ๋จผ์ €
36:15
part about connecting it to your why.ย  Because for me, that's been such a, aย ย 
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์ด์œ ์— ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋ถ€๋ถ„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด
36:20
huge part of the reason why I decided toย  live abroad in several different countries.ย ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ ํ•ด์™ธ์— ์‚ด๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•œ ์ด์œ ์˜ ํฐ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ์ฐจ์ง€ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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And one of the big things for me is that nativeย  speaker, native speakers of English don't reallyย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ๊ฒƒ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” ์›์–ด๋ฏผ, ์˜์–ด ์›์–ด๋ฏผ์ด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ
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have to learn other languages to be able toย  travel and live abroad. I've met a lot ofย ย 
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ํ•ด์™ธ ์—ฌํ–‰ ๋ฐ ์ƒํ™œ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์—†๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ฅด์…€๋กœ๋‚˜์— ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”
36:39
British or American, Brits or Americansย  that live here in Barcelona, and they,ย ย 
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์˜๊ตญ์ธ์ด๋‚˜ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ธ, ์˜๊ตญ์ธ์ด๋‚˜ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ธ์„ ๋งŽ์ด ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ๋Š”๋ฐ,
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they don't speak Spanish. They in, you know,ย  they, they find ways to get by with the localsย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ํ•  ์ค„ ๋ชจ๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ชฐ๋ผ๋„ ํ˜„์ง€์ธ๋“ค๊ณผ ์ง€๋‚ด๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ์ฐพ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
36:49
and stuff without knowing the language, but they,ย  they live here, they don't speak the language.ย ย 
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. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ์‚ด๊ณ  ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋งํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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And this, for me, defeats the whole purpose,ย  you know, of going to live in another country.ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ณด๊ธฐ์— ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ ์‚ด๊ฒ ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๋ชฉ์ ์„ ๋ฌด์‚ฐ์‹œํ‚ต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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For me, it's all about getting to experience,ย  as I mentioned earlier, a different worldview.ย ย 
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์ €์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์•ž์„œ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์„ธ๊ณ„๊ด€์„ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ „๋ถ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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And you really only get this when you learnย  the language, when you can speak to people inย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ๋•Œ , ์ฆ‰ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ๋งŒ ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
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their language. And there's a quote from Nelsonย  Mandela who's from Casse's stomping grounds, uh,ย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  Casse์˜ ์ฟต์พ…๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทผ๊ฑฐ์ง€์—์„œ ์˜จ Nelson Mandela์˜ ์ธ์šฉ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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and he says, "If you talk to a man in a languageย  he understands, that goes to his head. If you talkย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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to him in his language, that goes to his heart."ย  And I'm not sure, maybe Casse can fill us in whyย ย 
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๊ทธ์˜ ์‹ฌ์žฅ." ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ™•์‹คํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋งˆ๋„ Casse๊ฐ€
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he said this. Maybe I believe that in Southย  Africa there's many different languages. Soย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์ด ๋ง์„ ํ•œ ์ด์œ ๋ฅผ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚จ์•„ํ”„๋ฆฌ์นด์—๋Š” ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์–ธ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
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maybe that was a goal he had, was to be able toย  speak with different people from the country inย ย 
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ๋ชฉํ‘œ์˜€์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ ์˜จ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ
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their own language. I'm not sure exactly why,ย  but there's a lot of wisdom in that quote. Andย ย 
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์ž์‹ ์˜ ์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •ํ™•ํ•œ ์ด์œ ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ ์ธ์šฉ๋ฌธ์—๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์ง€ํ˜œ๊ฐ€ ๋‹ด๊ฒจ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
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I'd say for me, living abroad has just been anย  eye-opening experience because it allowed me toย ย 
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ํ•ด์™ธ ์ƒํ™œ์€ ๋ˆˆ์„ ๋œจ๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด
37:46
really see what my life would've been like hadย  I lived in, had I grown up in Germany, or had Iย ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์‚ด์•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ๋…์ผ์—์„œ ์ž๋ž๊ฑฐ๋‚˜,
37:52
grown up in Spain, had I grown up in Brazil, forย  example. And to have so much gratitude, you know,ย ย 
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์ž๋ž๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ œ ์‚ถ์ด ์–ด๋• ์„์ง€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ์—์„œ ์ž๋ž๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์—์„œ์š” . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
37:58
just for where I came from, the, the opportunityย  that I was given, and also to experience differentย ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋””์—์„œ ์™”๋Š”์ง€, ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ์ฃผ์–ด์ง„ ๊ธฐํšŒ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
38:04
ways of seeing the world, because there's no oneย  correct way. And I grabbed another quote because Iย ย 
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์„ธ์ƒ์„ ๋ณด๋Š” ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๋ฐฉ์‹์„ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ธฐํšŒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅธ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์€ ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ธ์šฉ๋ฌธ์„ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
38:09
think this also goes really to the heart of whatย  I'm saying, and the whole why of living abroad,ย ย 
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์˜ ํ•ต์‹ฌ๊ณผ ํ•ด์™ธ ์ƒํ™œ์˜ ์ „์ฒด ์ด์œ ,
38:14
or if you can't live abroad, finding waysย  to connect with people from other parts ofย ย 
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๋˜๋Š” ํ•ด์™ธ์—์„œ ์‚ด ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ,
38:19
the world. That's really the highest purpose, theย  highest thing you can use your English for is asย ย 
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์„ธ๊ณ„. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ๋ชฉ์ ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ๋ชฉ์ ์€
38:22
a tool to get to know all these different culturesย  and develop yourself into a global citizen. And itย ย 
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๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๋ฌธํ™”๋ฅผ ์ดํ•ด ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ ์‹œ๋ฏผ์œผ๋กœ ์„ฑ์žฅํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ๋„๊ตฌ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€
38:29
comes from Seneca, who was a philosopher, uh, andย  he said, "I'm not born for one corner. The wholeย ย 
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์ฒ ํ•™์ž์˜€๋˜ ์„ธ๋„ค์นด์—๊ฒŒ์„œ ๋‚˜์˜จ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Š” "๋‚˜๋Š” ํ•œ ๊ตฌ์„์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ํƒœ์–ด๋‚œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜จ
38:35
world is my native land." And this experience ofย  traveling, it really gave me this feeling. I hadย ย 
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์„ธ์ƒ์ด ๋‚˜์˜ ์กฐ๊ตญ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด ์—ฌํ–‰์˜ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์€ ์ •๋ง ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋Š๋‚Œ์„ ์ฃผ์—ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š”
38:40
like a, started with kind of a, what we call, uh,ย  Wunderlust, which is, it's a word from German thatย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ Wunderlust๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฅด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์˜ ์ข…๋ฅ˜๋กœ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฆ‰, ๋…์ผ์–ด์—์„œ ์˜จ ๋‹จ์–ด๋กœ
38:46
means, uh, love of traveling, a love of gettingย  to see different places and, and wandering.ย ย 
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์—ฌํ–‰์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘, ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์žฅ์†Œ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ  ๋ฐฉํ™ฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋œป์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
38:53
But it started to give me this feeling, you know,ย  that I just because I was born in the States,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ ํƒœ์–ด๋‚ฌ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•ด์„œ
38:58
it doesn't just mean that I'm American. It meansย  that I can, I can grab different identities, whichย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ธ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๋Š” ๋Š๋‚Œ์„ ๋ฐ›๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ , ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ •์ฒด์„ฑ์„ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
39:02
Casse is going to, I'll let Casse talk about, butย  I can meld into these different identities andย ย 
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Casse๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ , Casse๊ฐ€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด์ง€๋งŒ, ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์ •์ฒด์„ฑ๊ณผ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์— ์œตํ•ฉ๋  ์ˆ˜
39:08
everything and, and become this global citizen.ย  I can become someone who belongs anywhere. Casse,ย ย 
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์žˆ๊ณ , ์ด ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์‹œ๋ฏผ์ด ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ์–ด๋””์—๋‚˜ ์†Œ์†๋œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค. Casse,
39:13
I'm curious to hear what you have to say aboutย  the other element in Connected, which is identity.ย 
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Connected์˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์š”์†Œ์ธ ์ •์ฒด์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹œ๋Š”์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
39:19
Yeah. But before I, I tell you a bit aboutย  identity, I really just wanna comment onย ย 
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์‘. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ •์ฒด์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ ์ „์—
39:24
the Nelson Mandela quote. Um, and whyย  it's so powerful is because, becauseย ย 
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๋„ฌ์Šจ ๋งŒ๋ธ๋ผ์˜ ๋ช…์–ธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ์ด์œ ๋Š”
39:30
of his way of thinking, because of that,ย  um, that belief that he had and, and thatย ย 
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๊ทธ์˜ ์‚ฌ๊ณ  ๋ฐฉ์‹ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—, ์Œ, ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์กŒ๋˜ ๋ฏฟ์Œ๊ณผ
39:36
understanding that he had, you know, with, youย  know, how much the power of language, the powerย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์กŒ๋˜ ์ดํ•ด๊ฐ€, ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ํ•จ๊ป˜, ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์–ธ์–ด,
39:41
of learning to connect with people using theirย  language, um, it had to do more with, I mean,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฐ์›€์˜ ํž˜, ์Œ,
39:49
anyone who, who might understand the, the Southย  African history and apartheid and like racial,ย ย 
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๋‚จ์•„ํ”„๋ฆฌ์นด์˜ ์—ญ์‚ฌ์™€ ์•„ํŒŒ๋ฅดํŠธํ—ค์ดํŠธ, ์ธ์ข…์ฐจ๋ณ„,
39:55
um, segregation and oppression. If you, ifย  you're interested in that, I recommend you,ย ย 
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์Œ, ๋ถ„๋ฆฌ์™€ ์–ต์••์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ๋” ๊ด€๋ จ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์ถ”์ฒœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
40:01
um, you definitely check out the many Mandelaย  movies out there. Um, but he used it as a way toย ย 
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์Œ, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๋งŽ์€ ๋งŒ๋ธ๋ผ ์˜ํ™”๋ฅผ ํ™•์ธํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค. ์Œ, ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‚˜๋ผ๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ฉํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
40:08
unite the country. And I mean, it was horrible.ย  You know, there's a horrible history, which weย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋”์ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค๋ฃจ์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๋”์ฐํ•œ ์—ญ์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ
40:13
won't get into, but the power of that quote is,ย  it stays, it rings truth, I think, for everyย ย 
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๊ทธ ์ธ์šฉ๋ฌธ์˜ ํž˜์€, ๋‚จ์•„ ์žˆ๊ณ , ์ง„์‹ค์„ ์šธ๋ฆฐ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
40:19
South African, everyone who, who, you know, whoย  understands how, I mean, we have neighbors here,ย ย 
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, ๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ์ด์›ƒ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋œป์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
40:24
I have neighbors who I, who live next door, orย  people I went to school with, and they speakย ย 
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์˜†์ง‘์— ์‚ฌ๋Š” ์ด์›ƒ์ด๋‚˜ ๊ฐ™์ด ํ•™๊ต๋ฅผ ๋‹ค๋…”๋˜ ์ด์›ƒ์ด ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€
40:28
languages that I don't understand. So, you know,ย  can I (incredible) ever truly understand them?ย ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ (๋†€๋ž๊ฒŒ๋„) ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ์ง„์ •์œผ๋กœ ์ดํ•ดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
40:34
I think when we talk about how travel connectsย  with identity or how it connects with who weย ย 
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์—ฌํ–‰์ด ์ •์ฒด์„ฑ๊ณผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋˜๋Š”์ง€ ๋˜๋Š” ์—ฌํ–‰์ด ์‹ค์ œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์™€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋˜๋Š”์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๋•Œ
40:41
actually are, we have to think about howย  we see ourselves in the future. So who,ย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ž์‹ ์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ณผ ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ,
40:46
what am I, how do I see myself? And if I can sortย  of envision myself as a person who speaks Chinese,ย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋ฉฐ, ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‚˜๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ค‘๊ตญ์–ด๋ฅผ ํ•  ์ค„ ์•„๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ,
40:54
speaks Mandarin, um, makes new friendsย  from different countries, um, you know,ย ย 
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๋ถ๊ฒฝ์–ด๋ฅผ ํ•  ์ค„ ์•„๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ, ์Œ, ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ ์˜จ ์ƒˆ ์นœ๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ๊ท€๊ณ , ์Œ, ์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ,
40:59
gets to know different places, explores,ย  you know, new and unknown foods and, and,ย ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์žฅ์†Œ๋ฅผ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ณ , ํƒ์ƒ‰ํ•˜๊ณ , ์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์ƒˆ๋กญ๊ณ  ์•Œ๋ ค์ง€์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์Œ์‹์„ ์•„๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์œผ๋กœ ์ œ ์ž์‹ ์„ ์ƒ์ƒํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ,
41:06
yeah, ways of life. I think once you can envisionย  yourself as something you can really change your,ย ย 
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์˜ˆ, ์‚ถ์˜ ๋ฐฉ์‹. ์ผ๋‹จ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋‹น์‹  ์ž์‹ ์„ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜, ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์‚ถ์„ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ๋ฐ”๊ฟ€ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ์ƒํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
41:14
your life, uh, I think it works this, itย  works with languages, especially, I thinkย ย 
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์–ด, ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ํšจ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์–ธ์–ด์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ž‘๋™ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
41:18
when you really be, feel that connection to theย  languages. Ethan mentioned connection with people.ย ย 
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. Ethan์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ์˜ ๊ด€๊ณ„๋ฅผ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
41:23
Um, but I mean, we can feel that with a lot ofย  different things. It could be your job, your,ย ย 
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์Œ, ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ ๋ง์€, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์—์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋Š๋‚„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ง์—…,
41:27
your desire to improve in whatever area of yourย  life. I think when you feel that, um, that thingย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์‚ถ์˜ ์–ด๋–ค ์˜์—ญ์—์„œ๋“  ๊ฐœ์„ ํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ์š•๋ง์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์Œ, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ
41:33
connects with you, when you can see yourself beingย  successful at it, when you can see how it willย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋Š๋‚„ ๋•Œ, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ์„ฑ๊ณตํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž์‹ ์„ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ
41:37
improve, how your future will be better, I thinkย  your action, the action follows. I think when itย ย 
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๊ฐœ์„ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€, ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜๊ฐ€ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋” ๋‚˜์•„์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€๋ฅผ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ, ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ํ–‰๋™, ํ–‰๋™์ด ๋’ค๋”ฐ๋ฅธ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—
41:42
comes to identity, it's those things. And, um,ย  for me it was really this idea of traveling andย ย 
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์ •์ฒด์„ฑ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ์Œ, ์ €์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์—ฌํ–‰์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด์—ˆ๊ณ , ์ €
41:49
seeing myself, seeing my family, seeing my son,ย  you know, just envisioning this better future,ย ย 
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์ž์‹ ์„ ๋ณด๊ณ , ๊ฐ€์กฑ์„ ๋ณด๊ณ , ์•„๋“ค์„ ๋ณด๊ณ , ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜๋ฅผ ์ƒ์ƒํ•˜๊ณ ,
41:55
the possibilities that this opportunity, uh,ย  will afford me or could afford me. I think,ย ย 
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์ด ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ์ค„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ค„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์„ ์ƒ์ƒํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”,
42:01
yeah, it, it's, it's really just filling me withย  like the motivation to keep going, keep learning,ย ย 
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์˜ˆ, ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ ,
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um, and it's worth it at the end of the day.ย  That's what I, I keep reminding myself of, so.ย 
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์Œ, ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๋งŒํ•œ ๊ฐ€์น˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋™๊ธฐ ๋ถ€์—ฌ์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์ €๋ฅผ ์ฑ„์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€, ๊ณ„์† ์ƒ๊ฐ๋‚˜๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์•ผ, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ.
42:12
I really like what you were saying there tooย  about the, the connecting it isn't just toย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋งŒ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๋Š” ๋ง์„ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
42:16
people. That's totally been my experience asย  well with, with, especially as I've developedย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํŠนํžˆ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€
42:21
as a language learner and gotten differentย  skills. For a while I was learning French,ย ย 
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์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋กœ ๋ฐœ์ „ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์„ ์Šต๋“ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜์˜ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ํ•œ๋™์•ˆ ์ €๋Š” ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
42:25
for example, and something that was really,ย  I, I've never lived in France, but somethingย ย 
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์ €๋Š” ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค์— ์‚ด์•„๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์—†์ง€๋งŒ
42:29
that really helped me was really connecting toย  the culture, to the cooking for a while. Like,ย ย 
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์ •๋ง ๋„์›€์ด ๋œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ž ์‹œ ๋™์•ˆ ๋ฌธํ™”์™€ ์š”๋ฆฌ์— ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด,
42:33
I was really obsessed with French cooking andย  French wines and, uh, connecting to the music,ย ย 
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์ €๋Š” ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค ์š”๋ฆฌ์™€ ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค ์™€์ธ์— ์ •๋ง ์‚ฌ๋กœ์žกํ˜€ ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ  , ์–ด, ์Œ์•…์— ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑฐ
42:37
you know? And so it's like you can greet thisย  whole environment where you're listening toย ย 
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์•„์‹œ์ฃ ? ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค ์Œ์•…์„ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ด ์ „์ฒด ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์„ ๋งž์ดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
42:40
French music, you're listening to some ร‰dithย  Piaf while you're, while you're throwing togetherย ย 
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์—๋””ํŠธ ํ”ผ์•„ํ”„๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ, ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋˜์ง€๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ
42:44
a, a Bล“uf bourguignon, uh, what's it called? Bล“ufย  bourguignon? No. Now I'm forgetting the name ofย ย 
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, ๋ตˆํ”„ ๋ถ€๋ฅด๊ธฐ๋‡ฝ, ์–ด, ์ด๋ฆ„์ด ๋ญ์ฃ ? ๋ตˆํ”„ ๋ถ€๋ฅด๊ธฐ๋‡ฝ? ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”. ์ด์ œ ์ ‘์‹œ ์ด๋ฆ„์„ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
42:50
the plate. But whatever, you're throwing together,ย  you know, a French, a French dish, and you know,ย ย 
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. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋“  ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค ์š”๋ฆฌ, ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค ์š”๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋˜์ง€๊ณ 
42:55
and enjoying that even with other people so youย  can kind of create your own immersion experience.ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๋ฉด์„œ ๋‚˜๋งŒ์˜ ๋ชฐ์ž… ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
42:59
Yeah, that's certainly what I did whenย  I was learning English, yeah, creatingย ย 
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์˜ˆ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ๋•Œ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ํ•œ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์˜ˆ,
43:02
my own immersion experience. But, you know,ย  listening to you guys now talking about that,ย ย 
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์ €๋งŒ์˜ ๋ชฐ์ž… ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ์ง€๊ธˆ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ค์œผ๋ฉด
43:06
it makes me wanna travel now and move abroad, thatย  is so amazing and inspiring. But just a, a wordย ย 
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์ง€๊ธˆ ์—ฌํ–‰์„ ๋– ๋‚˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๊ณ  ํ•ด์™ธ๋กœ ์ด์ฃผํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง ๋†€๋ž๊ณ  ๊ณ ๋ฌด์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
43:13
here to the listeners, maybe you don't have theย  time in the moment or even the money to do this,ย ย 
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์ฒญ์ทจ์ž๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ํ•œ ๋งˆ๋””๋งŒ ํ•˜์ž๋ฉด, ์ง€๊ธˆ ๋‹น์žฅ์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์—†๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
43:18
yeah, to travel abroad, to live abroad. It's okay.ย  But use the app. The app is an amazing place forย ย 
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ํ•ด์™ธ ์—ฌํ–‰์„ ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ํ•ด์™ธ์— ์‚ด ๋ˆ์ด ์—†์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„์š”. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์•ฑ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ์ด ์•ฑ์€
43:23
you to connect with other people from differentย  countries. Uh, think about it as a virtual travel.ย ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋†€๋ผ์šด ์žฅ์†Œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์–ด, ๊ฐ€์ƒ ์—ฌํ–‰์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
43:27
You know, you are traveling virtually viaย  the app by connecting to different cultures.ย ย 
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์•ฑ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๋ฌธํ™”์— ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•˜์—ฌ ๊ฐ€์ƒ์œผ๋กœ ์—ฌํ–‰ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
43:36
And we actually have a challenge for you today.ย  And the challenge is first, go to the app andย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ๋„์ „์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ฑŒ๋ฆฐ์ง€๋Š” ๋จผ์ € ์•ฑ์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋™ํ•˜์—ฌ
43:41
download it in case you haven't done it yet.ย  And learn about someone else's culture. Maybeย ย 
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์•„์ง ๋‹ค์šด๋กœ๋“œํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ๋‹ค์šด๋กœ๋“œํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ๋ฌธํ™”์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ฐฐ์šฐ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค. ์•„๋งˆ๋„
43:46
ask that person, Hey, what is it like to liveย  there where you, where you, where you're from,ย ย 
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ '์ด๋ด, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์–ด๋””์—์„œ ์™”๋Š”์ง€, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์–ด๋””์—์„œ ์™”๋Š”์ง€, ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ ์‚ฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ด๋–ค์ง€ ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ณด๊ณ , ๋‹น์‹ 
43:51
and, uh, tell me more about your country,ย  your culture. And then maybe share one thing,ย ย 
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์˜ ๋‚˜๋ผ์™€ ๋ฌธํ™”์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋” ๋งํ•ด์ฃผ์„ธ์š” . ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€,
43:55
one insight that you learned, one cool thingย  that you learned from a different culture.ย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ฐฐ์šด ํ†ต์ฐฐ, ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฌธํ™”์—์„œ ๋ฐฐ์šด ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋ฅผ ๊ณต์œ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋ž˜
44:00
You can share that here in the commentsย  section below. Or you can just drop us aย ย 
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๋Œ“๊ธ€ ์„น์…˜์—์„œ ๊ณต์œ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋˜๋Š”
44:04
line at [email protected]. We areย  looking forward to hearing your insightsย ย 
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[email protected]์œผ๋กœ ํšŒ์„ ์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด์ฃผ์…”๋„ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ํ†ต์ฐฐ๋ ฅ
44:09
and learnings. All right, so, uh, that's itย  for today's episode. Thank you so much forย ย 
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๊ณผ ๋ฐฐ์›€์„ ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž, ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์˜ค๋Š˜์˜ ์—ํ”ผ์†Œ๋“œ๋Š” ์—ฌ๊ธฐ๊นŒ์ง€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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listening. Stay tuned for next week's episodeย  and we'll talk to you soon. 1, 2, 3. Aww Awwย ย 
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์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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