How To Become Fluent Faster! Interview with Polyglot Steve Kaufmann

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ไธ‹ใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžๅญ—ๅน•ใ‚’ใƒ€ใƒ–ใƒซใ‚ฏใƒชใƒƒใ‚ฏใ™ใ‚‹ใจๅ‹•็”ปใ‚’ๅ†็”Ÿใงใใพใ™ใ€‚ ็ฟป่จณใ•ใ‚ŒใŸๅญ—ๅน•ใฏๆฉŸๆขฐ็ฟป่จณใงใ™ใ€‚

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In this video, I interview polyglot Steve Kaufmann.
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ใ“ใฎใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใงใฏใ€ๅคš่จ€่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใƒปใ‚ซใ‚ฆใƒ•ใƒžใƒณใซใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒ“ใƒฅใƒผใ—ใพใ™ ใ€‚
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He has learned over 20 languages and he's still learning new languages today.
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ๅฝผใฏ 20 ไปฅไธŠใฎ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ—ใฆใŠใ‚Šใ€ ็พๅœจใ‚‚ๆ–ฐใ—ใ„่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
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And in this interview, Steve Kaufmann shares his best language learning tips, language
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ใ“ใฎใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒ“ใƒฅใƒผใงใฏใ€ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใƒปใ‚ซใ‚ฆใƒ•ใƒžใƒณใŒ ่ชžๅญฆๅญฆ็ฟ’ใฎๆœ€่‰ฏใฎใƒ’ใƒณใƒˆใ€่จ€่ชž
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learning advice, and mistakes to avoid.
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ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใฎใ‚ขใƒ‰ใƒใ‚คใ‚นใ€้ฟใ‘ใ‚‹ในใ้–“้•ใ„ใซใคใ„ใฆ่ชžใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
00:20
So pay close attention, because these tips will help you improve your English faster
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ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎใƒ’ใƒณใƒˆใฏใ€ ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ใ‚ˆใ‚Šๆ—ฉใไธŠ้”ใ•ใ›ใ€ใใฎ
00:25
and have a lot more fun in the process.
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้Ž็จ‹ใ‚’ใ‚ˆใ‚Šๆฅฝใ—ใใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใซๅฝน็ซ‹ใกใพใ™ใฎใงใ€็ดฐๅฟƒใฎๆณจๆ„ใ‚’ๆ‰•ใฃใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
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Let's start the interview with Steve Kaufmann.
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ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใƒปใ‚ซใ‚ฆใƒ•ใƒžใƒณใธใฎใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒ“ใƒฅใƒผใ‚’ๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
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So Steve, you're a polyglot who speaks 20 languages.
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ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ 20 ใ‹ๅ›ฝ่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ๅคš่จ€่ชž่ฉฑ่€…ใงใ™ใญ ใ€‚
00:38
What's your secret to learning languages?
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่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆใถ็ง˜่จฃใฏไฝ•ใงใ™ใ‹?
00:40
First of all, I have to caution you when I say 20.
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ใพใšๆœ€ๅˆใซใ€20 ใจใ„ใ†ใจใใฏๆณจๆ„ใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
00:44
I have learned 20 at different times to varying degrees.
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็งใฏ 20 ใ‚’ใ•ใพใ–ใพใชๆ™‚ๆœŸใซใ€ใ•ใพใ–ใพใช็จ‹ๅบฆใงๅญฆใณใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
00:47
I can't say that I'm totally fluent in 20 languages.
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็งใฏ 20 ใ‹ๅ›ฝ่ชžใ‚’ๅฎŒๅ…จใซๆตๆšขใซ่ฉฑใ›ใ‚‹ใจใฏ่จ€ใˆใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
00:50
I could easily switch into say a dozen of them and others I would have to refresh or
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็ฐกๅ˜ใซใ€ใŸใจใˆใฐๅๆ•ฐๅ€‹ใฎใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ ใซๅˆ‡ใ‚Šๆ›ฟใˆใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใŒใ€ ใใฎไป–ใฎใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ ใฏใƒชใƒ•ใƒฌใƒƒใ‚ทใƒฅใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ€
00:55
I'm in the process of learning.
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ๅญฆ็ฟ’ไธญใงใ™ใ€‚
00:58
And the secret is to enjoy the process, just to simply not worry about how well I'm doing,
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ใใ—ใฆใใฎ็ง˜่จฃใฏใ€ใใฎใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ปใ‚นใ‚’ๆฅฝใ—ใ‚€ใ“ใจใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ ่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒใฉใ‚Œใ ใ‘ใ†ใพใใ‚„ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ใ€
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where what mistakes I make.
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ใฉใ“ใงใฉใ‚“ใช้–“้•ใ„ใ‚’็Šฏใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ใ‚’ๆฐ—ใซใ—ใชใ„ใ“ใจใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€‚ ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใใซ
01:05
Just expose myself to the language every so often when I'm curious, I might look up something
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ๆ™‚ใ€…ใใฎ่จ€่ชžใซ่งฆใ‚Œใฆใฟใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ ใ€‚
01:10
related to grammar, some explanation.
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ๆ–‡ๆณ•ใ‚„่ชฌๆ˜Žใซ้–ข้€ฃใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’่ชฟในใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
01:11
But I don't focus on explanations, I focus on getting the language into me through a
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็งใฏ่ชฌๆ˜Žใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซ้‡็‚นใ‚’็ฝฎใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใฏใชใใ€ ใŸใใ•ใ‚“่žใ„ใŸใ‚Š่ชญใ‚“ใ ใ‚Šใ—ใฆใใฎ่จ€่ชžใ‚’่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎไธญใซๅ–ใ‚Š่พผใ‚€ใ“ใจใซ้‡็‚นใ‚’็ฝฎใ„ใฆใ„ใพใ™
01:16
lot of listening and reading.
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01:17
Well, 12 languages is still extremely impressive.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€12 ใ‹ๅ›ฝ่ชžใจใ„ใ†ใฎใฏใ‚„ใฏใ‚Š้žๅธธใซๅฐ่ฑก็š„ใงใ™ใ€‚
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Now, do you think that anyone can become a polyglot, or are some people just more naturally
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ใ•ใฆใ€่ชฐใงใ‚‚ๅคš่จ€่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‹ ใ€ใใ‚Œใจใ‚‚่จ€่ชžๅญฆ็ฟ’ใซ้–ขใ—ใฆใฏ็”Ÿใพใ‚ŒใชใŒใ‚‰ใซๆ‰่ƒฝใฎใ‚ใ‚‹ไบบใŒใ„ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใชใฎใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹
01:29
gifted when it comes to learning languages?
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? ๆฝœๅœจ็š„ใซใฏ
01:32
I think that potentially anyone can become a polyglot.
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่ชฐใงใ‚‚ใƒใƒชใ‚ฐใƒญใƒƒใƒˆใซใชใ‚Œใ‚‹ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
01:38
The more languages you learn, the easier it becomes to learn new languages.
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ๅญฆใถ่จ€่ชžใŒๅข—ใˆใ‚Œใฐๅข—ใˆใ‚‹ใปใฉใ€ ๆ–ฐใ—ใ„่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆใถใฎใŒ็ฐกๅ˜ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
01:42
So the most difficult language is your first foreign language because you've never done
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ๆœ€ใ‚‚้›ฃใ—ใ„่จ€่ชžใฏใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใพใงใซ ใ‚„ใฃใŸใ“ใจใŒใชใ„็ฌฌไธ€ๅค–ๅ›ฝ่ชžใงใ™
01:47
it before.
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01:48
You're you don't know how to go about it.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’ใฉใ†ใ‚„ใฃใฆ้€ฒใ‚ใ‚‹ในใใ‹ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
01:49
You're not confident.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ่‡ชไฟกใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
01:51
And I think that as you learn more languages, those parts of your brain that deal with acquiring
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚ˆใ‚Šๅคšใใฎ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆในใฐๅญฆใถใปใฉใ€ๆ–ฐใ—ใ„่จ€่ชžใ‚’ ็ฟ’ๅพ—ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซ้–ขใ‚ใ‚‹่„ณใฎ้ƒจๅˆ†ใŒใ€
01:56
new languages, they become more, you know, adept at doing it.
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ใ‚ˆใ‚Š็†Ÿ็ทดใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚‹ใฎใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
02:01
So I think anyone can do it.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰่ชฐใงใ‚‚ใงใใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
02:04
They have to be motivated, they have to put in the time, and they get better and better
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ‚„ใ‚‹ๆฐ—ใ‚’ๅ‡บใ•ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใšใ€ๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’่ฒปใ‚„ใ•ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€ใใ—ใฆๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใฉใ‚“ใฉใ‚“ไธŠ้”ใ—ใฆใ„ใใพใ™
02:07
at it.
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02:08
But for most people, I think learning one or two languages is enough.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใปใจใ‚“ใฉใฎไบบใซใจใฃใฆใ€1 ใคใ‹2ใคใฎ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆใถใ ใ‘ใงๅๅˆ†ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
02:12
It just so happens that I, for a variety of reasons, got interested in learning many languages,
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ใŸใพใŸใพใ€็งใฏใ•ใพใ–ใพใช ็†็”ฑใ‹ใ‚‰ๅคšใใฎ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆใถใ“ใจใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใ‚’ๆŒใกใพใ—ใŸใŒใ€
02:16
and you mentioned motivation.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใƒขใƒใƒ™ใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใซใคใ„ใฆ่จ€ๅŠใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
02:19
If you had to boil down the qualities or personality traits of successful language learners, what
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ๆˆๅŠŸใ—ใŸ่ชžๅญฆๅญฆ็ฟ’่€…ใฎ่ณ‡่ณชใ‚„ๆ€งๆ ผ็š„็‰นๅพดใ‚’่ฆ็ด„ใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใจใ—ใŸใ‚‰ใ€
02:26
would you say those are?
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ใใ‚Œใฏไฝ•ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
02:28
Well, obviously motivation is big.
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ใพใ‚ใ€ๆ˜Žใ‚‰ใ‹ใซใƒขใƒใƒ™ใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใŒๅคงใใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
02:32
The motivation, I would say attitude is big.
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ใƒขใƒใƒ™ใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใจใ„ใ†ใ‹ใ€ๅงฟๅ‹ขใŒๅคงใใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
02:35
So motivation is one thing.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ใƒขใƒใƒ™ใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใฏไธ€ใคใงใ™ใ€‚
02:38
Confidence, you know, enjoying the language, enjoying the language, learning process, all
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่‡ชไฟกใ€่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๆฅฝใ—ใ‚€ใ“ใจใ€ ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๆฅฝใ—ใ‚€ใ“ใจใ€ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ปใ‚นใ€
02:44
of those things are part of that.
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ใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใ™ในใฆใŒใใฎไธ€้ƒจใงใ™ใ€‚
02:47
Positive attitude.
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02:48
And I also think it's very important not to be a perfectionist, very important to accept,
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ ๅฎŒ็’งไธป็พฉ่€…ใซใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ“ใจใŒ้žๅธธใซ้‡่ฆใงใ€ๆ›–ๆ˜งใช็ขบไฟกใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ๅ…ฅใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒ้žๅธธใซ้‡่ฆใ ใจใ‚‚ๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
02:54
you know, fuzziness in certitude.
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02:57
You know you don't quite understand.
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03:01
You keep forgetting the same words.
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ๅŒใ˜่จ€่‘‰ใ‚’ใฉใ‚“ใฉใ‚“ๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใฆใ—ใพใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
03:04
And all of that is fine because you're enjoying the process of discovering another language.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๅˆฅใฎ่จ€่ชžใ‚’็™บ่ฆ‹ใ™ใ‚‹ใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ปใ‚นใ‚’ๆฅฝใ—ใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใ™ในใฆๅ•้กŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
03:09
And you mentioned confidence.
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ใใ—ใฆใ‚ใชใŸใฏ่‡ชไฟกใซใคใ„ใฆใ‚‚่จ€ๅŠใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
03:10
I'm going to ask you a follow up because many of my students tell me that they lack confidence
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็งใฎ็”Ÿๅพ’ใฎๅคšใใŒ
03:17
when using their English.
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ไฝฟใ†ใ“ใจใซ่‡ชไฟกใŒใชใ„ใจ่จ€ใ†ใฎใงใ€ใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒญใƒผใ‚ขใƒƒใƒ—ใ‚’ใŠ้ก˜ใ„ใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
03:19
So can you speak a little bit more about the role that confidence has when learning and
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ใใ‚Œใงใฏใ€ๅค–ๅ›ฝ่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ—ใŸใ‚Šไฝฟ็”จใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹้š›ใซ่‡ชไฟกใŒๆŒใคๅฝนๅ‰ฒใซใคใ„ใฆใ‚‚ใ†ๅฐ‘ใ—่ฉณใ—ใ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใ‚‰ใˆใพใ™ใ‹
03:25
using a foreign language?
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03:28
Confidence is huge, and that's why I put a great amount of emphasis on listening and
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่‡ชไฟกใฏ้žๅธธใซๅคงใใ„ใฎใงใ€็งใฏ ใƒชใ‚นใƒ‹ใƒณใ‚ฐใจใƒชใƒผใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใƒณใ‚ฐใซ้‡็‚นใ‚’็ฝฎใ„ใฆใ„ใพใ™
03:36
reading.
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03:37
And you sometimes hear people say, well, I can read, but I have trouble speaking.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๆ™‚ใ€…ไบบใ€…ใŒใ€Œ็งใฏ ่ชญใ‚€ใ“ใจใฏใงใใพใ™ใŒใ€่ฉฑใ™ใฎใŒ่‹ฆๆ‰‹ใงใ™ใ€ใจ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‚’่žใใพใ™ใ€‚
03:40
But most of those people don't realize just how much you need to read and listen.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใใ†ใ—ใŸไบบใ€…ใฎใปใจใ‚“ใฉใฏใ€ใฉใ‚Œใปใฉ่ชญใ‚“ใ ใ‚Š่žใ„ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹โ€‹โ€‹ใ‚’็†่งฃใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
03:45
Like you have to read a book, 203 hundred pages, one book, several books, and the brain
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20300 ใƒšใƒผใ‚ธใฎๆœฌใ‚’่ชญใพใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใฎใจๅŒใ˜ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ 1 ๅ†Šใ€ไฝ•ๅ†Šใ‹่ชญใ‚€ใจใ€่„ณใŒ
03:52
starts to get used to the language.
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ใใฎ่จ€่ชžใซๆ…ฃใ‚Œๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ™ใ€‚
03:53
And reading is so easy to do.
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ใใ—ใฆ่ชญๆ›ธใฏใจใฆใ‚‚็ฐกๅ˜ใงใ™ใ€‚
03:56
And when we read, it's almost as if we're speaking because we are sort of subconsciously
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใŸใกใŒๆœฌใ‚’่ชญใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใ€็งใŸใกใฏ ็„กๆ„่ญ˜ใฎใ†ใกใซใ€
04:02
as vocalizing as we read and also listening.
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่ชญใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใจๅŒใ˜ใใ‚‰ใ„ๅฃฐใ‚’ๅ‡บใ—ใ€ๅŒๆ™‚ใซ่žใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ใพใ‚‹ใง่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๆ„Ÿใ˜ใพใ™ใ€‚
04:06
And so, if you build up this degree of confidence with the language, the brain is used to the
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€่จ€่ชžใซๅฏพใ—ใฆใ“ใฎ็จ‹ๅบฆใฎไฟก้ ผใ‚’็ฏ‰ใใจ ใ€่„ณใฏใใฎ
04:10
language, the brain has formed a model of the language.
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่จ€่ชžใซๆ…ฃใ‚Œใ€่„ณใŒ่จ€่ชžใฎใƒขใƒ‡ใƒซใ‚’ๅฝขๆˆใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ ใ€‚
04:13
When you go to speak, of course you're going to struggle at first, but you will gradually
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่ฉฑใ™ใจใใฏใ€ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ ๆœ€ๅˆใฏ่‹ฆๅŠดใ™ใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใŒใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ
04:16
improve because you have all these words inside you.
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ไธญใซใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎ่จ€่‘‰ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ๅพใ€…ใซไธŠ้”ใ—ใฆใ„ใใพใ™ ใ€‚
04:20
So I think part of it is being better prepared.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€้ƒจๅˆ†็š„ใซใฏใ‚ˆใ‚Š่‰ฏใ„ๆบ–ๅ‚™ใŒใงใใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
04:22
Most people don't put the time and effort into reading and listening.
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ใปใจใ‚“ใฉใฎไบบใฏใ€ ่ชญใ‚“ใ ใ‚Š่žใ„ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซๆ™‚้–“ใจๅŠดๅŠ›ใ‚’่ฒปใ‚„ใ—ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
04:26
They desperately try to remember some grammar rules, and they try to think of grammar rules
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏๅฟ…ๆญปใซๆ–‡ๆณ•่ฆๅ‰‡ใ‚’่ฆšใˆใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ— ใ€่ฉฑใ—ใชใŒใ‚‰ๆ–‡ๆณ•่ฆๅ‰‡ใ‚’่€ƒใˆใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ—ใพใ™ใŒใ€
04:30
while they're speaking, which is hopeless.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็ตถๆœ›็š„ใงใ™ใ€‚
04:33
And then they have to accept that when they're speaking, they're actually practicing speaking
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ€ ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใซ่ฉฑใ™็ทด็ฟ’ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹้–“ใ€่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹้–“ใ€
04:38
and they will gradually get better and while they're speaking, if they're speaking to.
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ๅพใ€…ใซไธŠ้”ใ—ใฆใ„ใใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ๅ…ฅใ‚Œใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
04:42
People that matter to them, they're getting very valuable input, which is also all part
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใซใจใฃใฆ้‡่ฆใชไบบใ€…ใฏใ€ ้žๅธธใซ่ฒด้‡ใชใ‚คใƒณใƒ—ใƒƒใƒˆใ‚’ๅพ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ™ในใฆใ€ใใฎ่จ€่ชžใซ
04:47
of training the brain to be comfortable in the language.
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ๆ…ฃใ‚Œใ‚‰ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่„ณใ‚’่จ“็ทดใ™ใ‚‹ไธ€็’ฐใงใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ ใ€‚
04:51
So it's all about input and understanding that all the different things that we're doing
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€้‡่ฆใชใฎใฏใ‚คใƒณใƒ—ใƒƒใƒˆใจใ€
04:58
when we're learning a language contribute to that input.
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่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ™ใ‚‹ใจใใซ่กŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ•ใพใ–ใพใชใ“ใจใ™ในใฆใŒใใฎใ‚คใƒณใƒ—ใƒƒใƒˆใซ่ฒข็Œฎใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใ‚’็†่งฃใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ ใ€‚
05:02
Well, exactly.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ใพใ•ใซใ€‚
05:03
Obviously, if you have an opportunity for output, for speaking or for writing, you want
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ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€ ่ฉฑใ™ใ“ใจใ‚„ๆ›ธใใ“ใจใชใฉใ€ใ‚ขใ‚ฆใƒˆใƒ—ใƒƒใƒˆใฎๆฉŸไผšใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใชใ‚‰ใ€
05:07
to take advantage of it, and you want to do it without worrying.
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ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๆดป็”จใ—ใŸใ„ใ—ใ€ ๆฐ—ใซใ›ใšใซใ‚„ใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใ†ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
05:11
About mistakes, just trusting your impulses.
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้–“้•ใ„ใซ้–ขใ—ใฆใฏใ€ใŸใ ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ่กๅ‹•ใ‚’ไฟกใ˜ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
05:14
But we don't necessarily.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ๅฟ…ใšใ—ใ‚‚ใใ†ใจใฏ้™ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
05:15
Unless we live where their language is spoken, we don't always have a lot of opportunity
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฎ่จ€่ชžใŒ่ฉฑใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅœฐๅŸŸใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใชใ„้™ใ‚Šใ€ไบบใ€…ใจ่ฉฑใ™ ๆฉŸไผšใฏๅฟ…ใšใ—ใ‚‚ๅคšใใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“
05:20
to speak with people.
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05:22
We should speak whenever we can, but we don't always have that opportunity.
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ใงใใ‚‹้™ใ‚Šใ„ใคใงใ‚‚่ฉฑใ™ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใŒใ€ ใใฎๆฉŸไผšใŒใ„ใคใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚ใ‘ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
05:25
But it's very easy to organize listening.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใƒชใ‚นใƒ‹ใƒณใ‚ฐใ‚’ๆ•ด็†ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใฏใจใฆใ‚‚็ฐกๅ˜ใงใ™ใ€‚
05:28
Very easy to organize reading.
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่ชญๆ›ธใ‚’ๆ•ด็†ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใŒใจใฆใ‚‚็ฐกๅ˜ใงใ™ใ€‚ ใ€Œ
05:31
And I know some people say, well, how can I read if there's so many words that I don't
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็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใชใ„ๅ˜่ชžใŒใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใซใฉใ†ใ‚„ใฃใฆ่ชญใ‚ใฐใ„ใ„ใฎ
05:34
know?
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๏ผŸใ€ใจใ„ใ†ไบบใ‚‚ใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
05:35
Well, that's part of, you know, we have LingQ as an example.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ ไพ‹ใจใ—ใฆ LingQ ใฎไธ€้ƒจใงใ™ใ€‚
05:38
But if you are reading online, you have online dictionaries.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณใง่ชญใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใฏใ€ใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณ่พžๆ›ธใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ ใ€‚
05:41
It's so easy nowadays to work on getting your vocabulary up to where eventually you can
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ๆœ€่ฟ‘ใงใฏใ€ ๆœ€็ต‚็š„ใซใฏ
05:46
read books on paper, which is the ultimate sort of milestone when you read your first
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็ด™ใฎๆœฌใ‚’่ชญใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚‹ใพใง่ชžๅฝ™ใ‚’ๅข—ใ‚„ใ™ใ“ใจใซๅ–ใ‚Š็ต„ใ‚€ใฎใฏใจใฆใ‚‚็ฐกๅ˜ใงใ™ใ€‚ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ€ ๆœ€ๅˆใฎๆœฌใ‚’ๆœ€ๅˆใ‹ใ‚‰ๆœ€ๅพŒใพใง่ชญใ‚€ใจใใฎ็ฉถๆฅตใฎใƒžใ‚คใƒซใ‚นใƒˆใƒผใƒณใงใ™
05:51
book from cover to cover.
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05:53
And all of that is, is part of getting you in a place where you're comfortable speaking
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ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใ™ในใฆใฏใ€่ฉฑใ—ใ‚„ใ™ใ„ๅ ดๆ‰€ใซใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’ๅฐŽใใ€่ฉฑใ—ใ‚„ใ™ใ„ๅ ดๆ‰€ใซๆˆปใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใฎไธ€้ƒจใงใ™
05:57
and coming back to that place of getting comfortable speaking.
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06:02
When I'm working with students and I'm sure all my students watching can relate to this
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็งใŒ็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใจไป•ไบ‹ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใ€ใใ—ใฆ ่ฆ‹ใฆใ„ใ‚‹็”Ÿๅพ’ๅ…จๅ“กใŒใ“ใฎ่ณชๅ•ใซๅ…ฑๆ„Ÿใงใใ‚‹ใจ็ขบไฟกใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€
06:07
question, when I'm working with students, the number one concern that they have is that
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็งใŒ็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใจไป•ไบ‹ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใ€็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใก ใŒไธ€็•ชๅฟƒ้…ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใฏใ€
06:14
they don't feel confident speaking.
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่ฉฑใ™ใ“ใจใซ่‡ชไฟกใŒๆŒใฆใชใ„ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
06:17
They feel like they're being judged by native speakers.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใƒใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ซใƒผใซใ‚ˆใฃใฆ่ฉ•ไพกใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซๆ„Ÿใ˜ใพใ™ ใ€‚
06:22
They're worried about their grammar mistakes.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏๆ–‡ๆณ•ใฎ้–“้•ใ„ใ‚’ๅฟƒ้…ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
06:24
They're worried that their accents are too thick, and all of this prevents them from
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎใชใพใ‚ŠใŒ ๆฟƒใ™ใŽใ‚‹ใฎใงใฏใชใ„ใ‹ใจๅฟƒ้…ใ—ใฆใŠใ‚Šใ€ใใฎใ›ใ„ใง่‡ชไฟกใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆ่ฉฑใ™ใ“ใจใŒใงใใชใใชใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™
06:31
speaking confidently.
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06:33
So what advice would you give to these students?
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ใใ‚Œใงใฏใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎๅญฆ็”ŸใŸใกใซใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚ขใƒ‰ใƒใ‚คใ‚นใ‚’ใ—ใพใ™ใ‹?
06:36
Okay.
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ใ‚ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
06:37
Well, there's you mentioned several things there.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ใใ“ใงใ„ใใคใ‹ใฎใ“ใจใซใคใ„ใฆ่จ€ๅŠใ—ใพใ—ใŸใญ ใ€‚
06:40
First of all, thick accent.
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ใพใšใฏๆฟƒๅŽšใชใ‚ขใ‚ฏใ‚ปใƒณใƒˆใ€‚
06:41
As long as you are comprehensible, your accent is fine and we have to accept that.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ็†่งฃใงใใ‚‹้™ใ‚Šใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ‚ขใ‚ฏใ‚ปใƒณใƒˆใฏ ๅ•้กŒใชใใ€็งใŸใกใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ๅ…ฅใ‚Œใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
06:49
Obviously if we can get closer to sort of native pronunciation, we have to want to in
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ๆ˜Žใ‚‰ใ‹ใซใ€ใƒใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใฎ็™บ้Ÿณใซ่ฟ‘ใฅใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใฎใงใ‚ใ‚Œใฐใ€
06:53
a way, we want to imitate the way the native speak.
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ใ‚ใ‚‹ๆ„ๅ‘ณใงใƒใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใฎ่ฉฑใ—ๆ–นใ‚’็œŸไผผใ—ใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใ†ใฏใšใงใ™ ใ€‚
06:57
But we have to realize, and I realize that I will never be mistaken for a native speaker
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็งใŸใกใฏ็†่งฃใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใ€็งใŒๅญฆใ‚“ใ ่จ€่ชžใงใƒใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ซใƒผใจ้–“้•ใ‚ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏๆฑบใ—ใฆใชใ„ใ“ใจใ‚’็†่งฃใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™
07:01
in the languages that I have learned.
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07:05
So accept the fact that you have an accent.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใซใ‚ขใ‚ฏใ‚ปใƒณใƒˆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ไบ‹ๅฎŸใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ๅ…ฅใ‚Œใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ ๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใฆใ—ใพใ†
07:07
Also accept the fact that you're going to forget.
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ใจใ„ใ†ไบ‹ๅฎŸใ‚‚ๅ—ใ‘ๅ…ฅใ‚Œใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ ใ€‚
07:10
I mean, we know if if we're, if I'm in some place and somebody shows up whom I know.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€็งใŸใกใŒใฉใ“ใ‹ใซใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใซใ€็งใŒ ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹่ชฐใ‹ใŒ็พใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹ใฏใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
07:17
And but what's his name or her name?
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ใงใ‚‚ใ€ๅฝผใฎๅๅ‰ใ€ใพใŸใฏๅฝผๅฅณใฎๅๅ‰ใฏไฝ•ใงใ™ใ‹?
07:20
The more pressure I put on myself to try to remember that person's name, the more liked
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ใใฎไบบใฎๅๅ‰ใ‚’่ฆšใˆใฆใŠใ“ใ†ใจ่‡ชๅˆ†ใซใƒ—ใƒฌใƒƒใ‚ทใƒฃใƒผใ‚’ใ‹ใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใ‹ใ‘ใ‚‹ใปใฉใ€
07:25
I am not to remember.
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่ฆšใˆใฆใ„ใชใ„ใปใ†ใŒๅซŒใซใชใฃใฆใ—ใพใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
07:27
And later on when there's no pressure on me, Oh yeah, that was George or Sally.
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ใใ—ใฆๅพŒใง็งใซใƒ—ใƒฌใƒƒใ‚ทใƒฃใƒผใŒใชใใชใฃใŸใจใใ€ ใใ†ใใ†ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใ‚ธใƒงใƒผใ‚ธใ‹ใ‚ตใƒชใƒผใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
07:33
So obviously there is a certain amount of pressure tension when we speak because it's
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ่จ€่ชžใง่ฉฑใ™ใปใ†ใŒๅธธใซๅฟซ้ฉใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใ€่ฉฑใ™ใจใใฏๆ˜Žใ‚‰ใ‹ใซใ‚ใ‚‹็จ‹ๅบฆใฎใƒ—ใƒฌใƒƒใ‚ทใƒฃใƒผใฎ็ทŠๅผตใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™
07:38
it's always more comfortable to speak in your own language.
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07:41
So you're speaking in another language.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๅˆฅใฎ่จ€่ชžใง่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
07:42
There's a little more tension.
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ใ‚‚ใ†ๅฐ‘ใ—็ทŠๅผตๆ„ŸใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ ใใฎ
07:44
And so it's a little more difficult to remember things.
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ใŸใ‚ใ€็‰ฉไบ‹ใ‚’่ฆšใˆใ‚‹ใฎใŒๅฐ‘ใ—้›ฃใ—ใใชใ‚Šใพใ™ ใ€‚
07:46
We just have to accept that all of that is normal.
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็งใŸใกใฏใใ‚ŒใŒใ™ในใฆๆญฃๅธธใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ๅ…ฅใ‚Œใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ ใ€‚
07:49
It's normal not to understand.
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็†่งฃใงใใชใ„ใฎใŒๆ™ฎ้€šใงใ™ใ€‚
07:50
It's normal to forget.
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ๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใฎใฏๆ™ฎ้€šใฎใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
07:52
And if we simply keep going, we will gradually improve the more pressure we put on ourselves.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใŸใ ็ถšใ‘ใฆใ„ใ‘ใฐใ€ ่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใซใƒ—ใƒฌใƒƒใ‚ทใƒฃใƒผใ‚’ใ‹ใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใ‹ใ‘ใ‚‹ใปใฉใ€ๅพใ€…ใซๆ”นๅ–„ใ—ใฆใ„ใใพใ™ใ€‚
07:58
Or if we try to avoid speaking because we're afraid, then we aren't going to improve.
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ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ„ใฏใ€ๆ€–ใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰่ฉฑใ™ใ“ใจใ‚’้ฟใ‘ใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ‚‚ ใ€้€ฒๆญฉใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
08:04
So I mean, it's easy to say, but I have experienced it in many languages where I struggle.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€่จ€ใ†ใฎใฏ็ฐกๅ˜ใงใ™ใŒใ€็งใฏ ๅคšใใฎ่จ€่ชžใงใใ‚Œใ‚’่‹ฆๅŠดใ—ใฆ็ตŒ้จ“ใ—ใฆใใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
08:11
And sometimes we think we did more poorly than we in fact did, and we just have to give
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ใใ—ใฆๆ™‚ใ€…ใ€็งใŸใกใฏๅฎŸ้š›ใ‚ˆใ‚Šใ‚‚่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎใ‚„ใ‚Šๆ–นใŒๆ‚ชใ‹ใฃใŸใจๆ€ใ†ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใŒ ใ€็งใŸใกใฏ
08:17
ourselves credit.
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่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใ‚’่ค’ใ‚ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
08:18
Trust the brain.
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่„ณใ‚’ไฟกใ˜ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
08:19
The brain will gradually learn given enough experience, and you just have to keep going.
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่„ณใฏๅๅˆ†ใช็ตŒ้จ“ใ‚’็ฉใ‚ใฐๅพใ€…ใซๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ—ใฆใ„ใใพใ™ใฎใง ใ€ใŸใ ็ถšใ‘ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
08:24
And of course you're very active in the polyglot community.
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ใใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๅคš่จ€่ชžใ‚ณใƒŸใƒฅใƒ‹ใƒ†ใ‚ฃใง้žๅธธใซๆดป็™บใซๆดปๅ‹•ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
08:27
Now I'm curious, what would a polyglot think about making a mistake when a polyglot is
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ใ•ใฆใ€็งใฏ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใŒใ€ ๅคš่จ€่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ไบบใŒ่‡ชๅˆ†
08:34
learning or using one of their languages?
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ใฎ่จ€่ชžใฎใ„ใšใ‚Œใ‹ใ‚’ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใพใŸใฏไฝฟ็”จใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใซ้–“้•ใ„ใ‚’็Šฏใ™ใ“ใจใซใคใ„ใฆใฉใ†ๆ€ใ†ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹?
08:39
What do they think when they make a mistake?
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ้–“้•ใ„ใ‚’็Šฏใ—ใŸใจใใฉใ†ๆ€ใ†ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹๏ผŸ
08:42
I I think the the one common trait to the polyglots that I've made met is that they
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็งใŒๅ‡บไผšใฃใŸๅคš่จ€่ชžใฎไบบใ€…ใซๅ…ฑ้€šใ™ใ‚‹็‰นๅพดใฏใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒ
08:48
aren't concerned.
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็„ก้–ขๅฟƒใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใงใฏ
08:49
They are not.
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08:50
They accept uncertainty.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏไธ็ขบๅฎŸๆ€งใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ๅ…ฅใ‚Œใพใ™ใ€‚
08:53
They accept uncertainty.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏไธ็ขบๅฎŸๆ€งใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ๅ…ฅใ‚Œใพใ™ใ€‚
08:54
That's it.
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ใใ‚ŒใงใŠใ—ใพใ„ใ€‚
08:55
It if you want to be totally safe and comfortable.
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ๅฎŒๅ…จใซๅฎ‰ๅ…จใงๅฟซ้ฉใซใชใ‚ŠใŸใ„ๅ ดๅˆใฏใใ‚ŒใŒๅฟ…่ฆใงใ™ใ€‚
08:58
You don't learn another foreign language.
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ไป–ใฎๅค–ๅ›ฝ่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆใถใ“ใจใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
09:00
Once you are learning another foreign language, you are now into this territory where there
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ๅˆฅใฎๅค–ๅ›ฝ่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ€
09:04
are going to be mistakes and there's going to be things you don't understand and things
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้–“้•ใ„ใŒ็™บ็”Ÿใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ€ ็†่งฃใงใใชใ„ใ“ใจใ‚„
09:08
that you don't pronounce properly.
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ๆญฃใ—ใ็™บ้Ÿณใงใใชใ„ใ“ใจใŒๅ‡บใฆใใ‚‹้ ˜ๅŸŸใซๅ…ฅใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
09:10
And people say, I beg your pardon, what did you say?
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ใใ—ใฆไบบใ€…ใฏใ€ใ€Œๅคฑ็คผใงใ™ใŒใ€ไฝ•ใจ่จ€ใฃใŸใฎใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸใ€ใจ่จ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
09:12
And that's all part of the territory.
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ใใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใฏใ™ในใฆ้ ˜ๅœŸใฎไธ€้ƒจใงใ™ใ€‚
09:14
And polyglots accept this.
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ใใ—ใฆใƒใƒชใ‚ฐใƒญใƒƒใƒˆใฏใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ๅ…ฅใ‚Œใพใ™ใ€‚
09:16
Yeah.
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09:17
I've been to a number of polyglot conferences.
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็งใฏใ„ใใคใ‹ใฎๅคš่จ€่ชžใ‚ซใƒณใƒ•ใ‚กใƒฌใƒณใ‚นใซๅ‚ๅŠ ใ—ใฆใใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
09:20
And by the way, the overwhelming majority of polyglots grew up in unilingual families.
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ใจใ“ใ‚ใงใ€ ๅคš่จ€่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ไบบใฎๅœงๅ€’็š„ๅคšๆ•ฐใฏใ€ๅ˜ไธ€่จ€่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ๅฎถๆ—ใฎไธญใง่‚ฒใกใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
09:26
So the idea that somehow polyglots are people who grew up with a Spanish speaking mother
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใฉใ†ใ„ใ†ใ‚ใ‘ใ‹ใƒใƒชใ‚ฐใƒญใƒƒใƒˆใฏ ใ‚นใƒšใ‚คใƒณ่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ๆฏ่ฆช
09:30
and a French speaking father, whatever, that's not true.
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ใจใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚น่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™็ˆถ่ฆชใฎใ‚‚ใจใง่‚ฒใฃใŸไบบใ€…ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†่€ƒใˆใฏใ€ ็œŸๅฎŸใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
09:33
The polyglots are people who got interested, who are confident that they can learn, and
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ใƒใƒชใ‚ฐใƒญใƒƒใƒˆใจใฏใ€่ˆˆๅ‘ณใ‚’ๆŒใกใ€ ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใงใใ‚‹ใจ่‡ชไฟกใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใŠใ‚Šใ€
09:39
who accept the fact that fuzziness and not understanding and forgetting is all part of
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ใ‚ใ„ใพใ„ใ•ใ‚„็†่งฃใงใใชใ„ใ“ใจใ€ ๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใ™ในใฆ
09:45
learning another language.
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ๅˆฅใฎ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฎไธ€้ƒจใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ไบ‹ๅฎŸใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ๅ…ฅใ‚Œใ‚‹ไบบใ€…ใงใ™ใ€‚
09:47
And we've already talked about the mistakes that students make when they're learning a
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ ๅญฆ็”ŸใŒ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ™ใ‚‹ใจใใซ็Šฏใ™้–“้•ใ„ใซใคใ„ใฆใฏใ™ใงใซ่ฉฑใ—ใพใ—ใŸ
09:52
language.
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09:53
But what would you say are the biggest mistakes that language learners make?
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09:58
Well, the biggest.
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ใพใ‚ใ€ๆœ€ๅคงใฎใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
10:00
So not specifically with reference to English, but I I think this, this desire to be perfect.
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็‰นใซ่‹ฑ่ชžใซ้–ขใ—ใฆใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ ใŒใ€็งใฏใ“ใ‚Œใ€ๅฎŒ็’งใซใชใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใจใ„ใ†้ก˜ๆœ›ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
10:08
You know, I got to sound like a native.
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ใƒใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่žใ“ใˆใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ๆญฃใ—ใ„ๆ™‚ๅˆถใ‚’
10:10
I've got to, you know, get, you know, just the right tense.
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ๅ–ๅพ—ใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
10:14
It doesn't matter.
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ใใ‚Œใฏๅ•้กŒใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ่‹ฑ่ชž
10:15
Like tenses is a big item for people learning English.
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ใ‚’ๅญฆใถไบบใซใจใฃใฆๆ™‚ๅˆถใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใฏ้‡่ฆใช้ …็›ฎใงใ™ ใ€‚
10:19
And honestly, whether you say in many situations it's optional, you can go I go or I am going,
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ใใ—ใฆๆญฃ็›ดใซ่จ€ใ†ใจใ€ๅคšใใฎ็Šถๆณใง ใใ‚ŒใŒไปปๆ„ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใจ่จ€ใ†ใ‹ใ€่กŒใฃใฆใ‚‚ใ„ใ„ใ€็งใฏ่กŒใใ€็งใฏ่กŒใใพใ—ใŸใ€
10:26
I went, you know, I was going very often, it doesn't matter.
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ใปใ‚‰ใ€็งใฏ้ ป็นใซ่กŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€ ใใ‚Œใฏๅ•้กŒใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
10:31
It may matter on a grammar test, but in reality there are a lot of tenses in English, probably
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ๆ–‡ๆณ•ใƒ†ใ‚นใƒˆใงใฏ้‡่ฆใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใซใฏ ่‹ฑ่ชžใซใฏใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎๆ™‚ๅˆถใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ใŠใใ‚‰ใ
10:37
more tenses than we need.
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ๅฟ…่ฆไปฅไธŠใซๆ™‚ๅˆถใŒๅญ˜ๅœจใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
10:40
And so if you just go with a simple of whatever the simple present, the simple past, in many
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ ๅ˜็ด”ใช็พๅœจใ€ๅ˜็ด”ใช้ŽๅŽปใชใฉใ€ๅ˜็ด”ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’้ธๆŠžใ™ใ‚Œใฐใ€ๅคšใใฎ
10:44
cases that's going to work.
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ๅ ดๅˆใ€ใ†ใพใใ„ใใพใ™ใ€‚
10:47
Don't try to be perfect.
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ๅฎŒ็’งใซใชใ‚ใ†ใจใ—ใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
10:49
Don't, when speaking, try to think through your grammar rules.
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่ฉฑใ™ใจใใฏใ€ๆ–‡ๆณ•ใƒซใƒผใƒซใ‚’ๅพนๅบ•็š„ใซ่€ƒใˆใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ—ใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ ใ€‚
10:52
That's not going to work.
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10:54
You have to sort of have an attitude that you're going to develop certain habits in
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ใง็‰นๅฎšใฎ็ฟ’ๆ…ฃใ‚’่บซใซใคใ‘ใ€
10:59
the language and you're going to trust those habits.
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ใใฎ ็ฟ’ๆ…ฃใ‚’ไฟก้ ผใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ๅงฟๅ‹ขใŒๅฟ…่ฆใงใ™ใ€‚
11:02
And when you speak, it's going to come out.
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ใใ—ใฆ่ฉฑใ™ใจใใ‚ŒใŒๅ‡บใฆใใพใ™ใ€‚
11:04
And you will pick up on what other people are saying.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ไป–ใฎไบบใŒ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’็†่งฃใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ ใ€‚
11:08
And if there are sort of rough edges, if you have an open mind, gradually those rough edges
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚ใ‚‹็จฎใฎ่’ๅ‰Šใ‚Šใช้ƒจๅˆ†ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ ๅฟƒใ‚’้–‹ใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚Œใฐใ€ๅพใ€…ใซใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎ่’ๅ‰Šใ‚Šใช้ƒจๅˆ†ใฏ
11:14
will become, you know, less frequent.
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ๅฐ‘ใชใใชใฃใฆใ„ใใพใ™ใ€‚
11:17
So I think a big mistake is to expect that right now I'm as good as I'm ever going to
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ไปŠใฎ่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒใ“ใ‚ŒใพใงใจๅŒใ˜ใใ‚‰ใ„ไธŠๆ‰‹ใซใชใ‚Œใ‚‹ใจๆœŸๅพ…ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใฏๅคงใใช้–“้•ใ„ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
11:21
be.
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11:22
No, right now you're in the process of improving.
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ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€ไปŠใฏๆ”นๅ–„ใฎ้€”ไธญใงใ™ใ€‚
11:25
So keep going and you'll get better.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰็ถšใ‘ใฆใ„ใ‘ใฐๅฟ…ใš่‰ฏใใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
11:27
Sounds like exactly what you said about attitude being one of the most important personality
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ๆ…‹ๅบฆใฏๆœ€ใ‚‚้‡่ฆใชๆ€งๆ ผ็‰นๆ€งใฎ 1 ใคใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใซใคใ„ใฆใ€ใพใ•ใซใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่จ€ใฃใŸใ“ใจใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่žใ“ใˆใพใ™
11:32
traits.
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11:34
Absolutely, your attitude.
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11:36
There are two things in language learning, attitude and time.
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่ชžๅญฆๅญฆ็ฟ’ใซใฏใ€Œๆ…‹ๅบฆใ€ใจใ€Œๆ™‚้–“ใ€ใฎ2ใคใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ ใ€‚
11:40
So the attitude portion of it is you know you like the language, you want to learn,
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ใใฎๆ…‹ๅบฆใฎ้ƒจๅˆ†ใฏใ€ ่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒใใฎ่จ€่ชžใŒๅฅฝใใงใ€ๅญฆใณใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใŠใ‚Šใ€
11:45
you enjoy the learning process.
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ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ปใ‚นใ‚’ๆฅฝใ—ใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
11:46
That's difficult to do.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ้›ฃใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
11:47
You can't force yourself to like something.
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ไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’ๅฅฝใใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’่‡ชๅˆ†ใซๅผทๅˆถใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
11:49
However, you can force yourself to get active.
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ใŸใ ใ—ใ€ๅผทๅˆถ็š„ใซใ‚ขใ‚ฏใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
11:53
So if your attitude is I don't not that keen on say English if it's English.
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๆ…‹ๅบฆใŒใ€Œ่‹ฑ่ชžใชใ‚‰่‹ฑ่ชžใ€ใจ่จ€ใ†ใฎใฏใ‚ใพใ‚Šๅฅฝใใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
11:58
And I've looked around for, you know, TV programs or things that I might get interested in or
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ใƒ†ใƒฌใƒ“็•ช็ต„ ใ‚„่ˆˆๅ‘ณใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ€
12:03
cooking shows or.
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12:04
The thing is, try to find something that interests you and vary it.
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้‡่ฆใชใฎใฏใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใฎใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใฆใ€ ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅค‰ๅŒ–ใ•ใ›ใฆใฟใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚ ใƒ“ใ‚ธใƒใ‚น
12:08
So you're on to something that relates to business, something that relates to history,
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ใซ้–ข้€ฃใ—ใŸใ‚‚ใฎ ใ€ๆญดๅฒใซ้–ข้€ฃใ—ใŸใ‚‚ใฎใ€
12:12
that relates to cooking shows, gardening, whatever, a variety of content.
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ๆ–™็†็•ช็ต„ใ€ใ‚ฌใƒผใƒ‡ใƒ‹ใƒณใ‚ฐ ใชใฉใ€ใ•ใพใ–ใพใชใ‚ณใƒณใƒ†ใƒณใƒ„ใซๅ–ใ‚Š็ต„ใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
12:17
Try to get interested.
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่ˆˆๅ‘ณใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใฟใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
12:19
And and then put in the time.
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ใใ—ใฆๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’ๆŠ•ๅ…ฅใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
12:21
It takes time.
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ๆ™‚้–“ใŒใ‹ใ‹ใ‚‹ใ€‚
12:22
It takes time.
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ๆ™‚้–“ใŒใ‹ใ‹ใ‚‹ใ€‚
12:23
So I see immigrants to Canada, for example, who go home at night and they only watch television
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12:29
programs in their own language.
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12:31
Okay.
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12:32
That's relaxing, maybe, but that's not going to help you.
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12:36
You have to be willing to put in a lot of time, not only, let's say, classroom time,
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12:41
but also if you're, you know, in the evening, especially if you live in Canada or the United
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12:46
States.
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12:48
Watch local television, Put the time in with the engage with the language.
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12:53
So attitude and time and speaking about putting in the time when you're learning a language,
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12:59
is there ever an end point when you say, Yep, learn that language and you move on?
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ใใ†ใ ใ€ ใใฎ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆใณใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€ใจ่จ€ใฃใฆๆฌกใซ้€ฒใ‚€ใจใ„ใ†็ต‚็€็‚นใฏใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹๏ผŸ
13:07
Or do you feel like learning is more of a process and you'll always be learning a new
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13:14
language?
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13:15
Yeah, I mean, we're always more comfortable in our own language.
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13:20
Although there are people who, let's say, say again, immigrants who spends, who genuinely
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13:25
learn the language, who work in English.
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13:27
You have friends with whom they speak English.
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13:31
Who always have a bit of an accent and they've kind of reached the point where it's it's
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ใ„ใคใ‚‚ๅฐ‘ใ—่จ›ใ‚ŠใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ ใใ‚Œใงๅๅˆ†ใ™ใŽใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใจใ“ใ‚ใพใง้”ใ—ใฆใŠใ‚Šใ€
13:36
more than good enough and in many cases even say immigrants who speak with an accent may
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13:42
in fact use the language better than many native speakers so they're at a stage where
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ๅคšใใฎใƒใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ซใƒผใ‚ˆใ‚Šใ‚‚ไธŠๆ‰‹ใซ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ไฝฟใˆใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ใจใ•ใˆ่จ€ใ†ใ€‚
13:47
they're as good as it's going to get.
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13:49
But but by and large it's it's always an unfinished process.
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13:53
If I say that I speak 20 languages, even the languages that I speak very well, like French
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็งใŒ 20 ใ‹ๅ›ฝ่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ใจใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ€ ใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚น่ชžใ‚„ๆ—ฅๆœฌ่ชžใชใฉใ€็งใŒใจใฆใ‚‚ไธŠๆ‰‹ใซ่ฉฑใ›ใ‚‹่จ€่ชžใ‚‚ๅซใพใ‚Œใพใ™
13:58
or Japanese or.
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14:00
I can always get better, you know, I can always get better.
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14:04
So we're never, you know, it's never completed.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ๆฑบใ—ใฆๅฎŒๆˆใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
14:08
It's an ongoing process.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็ถ™็ถš็š„ใชใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ปใ‚นใงใ™ใ€‚
14:09
Now, previously you said that it's normal to forget your words.
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ใ•ใฆใ€ไปฅๅ‰ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ่จ€่‘‰ใ‚’ๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใฎใฏๆ™ฎ้€šใฎใ“ใจใ ใจ่จ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
14:14
For example, in our native language, we might be having a conversation and we forget the
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14:19
name of a restaurant, even though we went to that restaurant last week, and that's just
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่กŒใฃใŸใซใ‚‚ใ‹ใ‹ใ‚ใ‚‰ใšใ€ไผš่ฉฑไธญใซใƒฌใ‚นใƒˆใƒฉใƒณใฎๅๅ‰ใ‚’ๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใฆใ—ใพใ†ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใŒใ€ ใใ‚Œใฏใ”ใ
14:24
normal.
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14:26
But this is a concern that my students have because they tell me that every time they
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ็งใฎ็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใŒๆ‡ธๅฟตใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใฏใ€
14:31
go to speak, they forget all their words, even simple words that they know really well.
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14:38
When they're speaking, their mind goes blank and they forget their words.
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่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจ้ ญใŒ็œŸใฃ็™ฝใซใชใ‚Šใ€ ่จ€่‘‰ใ‚’ๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใฆใ—ใพใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ™ใ‚‹้š›ใซ
14:43
Do you have a strategy for overcoming this when you're learning languages?
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14:49
You have to remember first of all, very often you hear people talk about, you know, I'm
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14:52
going to master the basics.
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14:54
We forget even the most basic words, we forget the most basic structures, We forget things
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15:00
that we used to be able to do and now we can't do all of a sudden.
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ไปฅๅ‰ใฏใงใใฆใ„ใŸใ“ใจใ‚’ๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใ€ไปŠใงใฏ ็ช็„ถใงใใชใใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
15:03
We may be able to do it the next time.
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15:05
So the first thing is to accept that that is absolutely normal and it's part of the
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15:11
process of communicating.
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15:13
But gradually, even the process of forgetting and relearning is solidifying the that capability
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15:21
in your brain.
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15:22
That the, you know, research into the brain.
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15:25
We need to see something, notice something, forget it for a while, go back to it, forget
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15:30
it again, go back to it.
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15:31
And slowly.
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15:32
That is how we accumulate words that we can comfortably use.
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ใใ†ใ‚„ใฃใฆ่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒๆฐ—ๆŒใกใ‚ˆใไฝฟใˆใ‚‹่จ€่‘‰ใ‚’่“„็ฉใ—ใฆใ„ใใฎใงใ™ ใ€‚
15:37
So forgetting is part of the process and shouldn't make us feel uncomfortable.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ปใ‚นใฎไธ€้ƒจใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ไธๅฟซใซๆ„Ÿใ˜ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
15:42
Good.
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15:43
I forgot good and I relearn it.
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15:45
And maybe I forget it again.
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15:47
Good.
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15:48
And then I relearn it and gradually we improve.
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15:50
That's an amazing attitude to have.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ๆ…‹ๅบฆใงใ™ใ€‚
15:52
By forgetting you are in fact learning.
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15:57
Not only is it normal to forget things, but it's beneficial.
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็‰ฉไบ‹ใ‚’ๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏๆ™ฎ้€šใฎใ“ใจใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใงใชใใ€ ๆœ‰็›Šใชใ“ใจใงใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
16:01
So changing your attitude around it.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ใใ‚Œใซๅฏพใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๆ…‹ๅบฆใ‚’ๅค‰ใˆใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
16:03
I hope all my students remember that lesson.
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็งใฎ็”Ÿๅพ’ๅ…จๅ“กใŒใใฎๆ•™่จ“ใ‚’่ฆšใˆใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’้ก˜ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
16:07
What a powerful lesson.
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ใชใ‚“ใจๅŠ›ๅผทใ„ๆ•™่จ“ใชใฎใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
16:08
Now, Steve, you've shared so many lessons so far, but if my students were to only do
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ใ•ใฆใ€ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ“ใ‚Œใพใง้žๅธธใซๅคšใใฎใƒฌใƒƒใ‚นใƒณใ‚’ๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ—ใฆใใพใ—ใŸ ใŒใ€่‹ฑ่ชžใฎๆตๆšขใ•ใ‚’
16:16
do one thing this week to help them improve their fluency in English, what should they
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ๅ‘ไธŠใ•ใ›ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซไปŠ้€ฑ็”Ÿๅพ’ใŒ 1 ใคใฎใ“ใจใ ใ‘ใ‚’่กŒใ†ใจใ—ใŸใ‚‰ใ€ ไฝ•ใ‚’ใ™ในใใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹
16:21
do?
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16:23
Well, you know, it's not one thing I would say put in the time, which in most cases is
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€็งใŒ ๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’ใ‹ใ‘ใ‚‹ใจใฏ่จ€ใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€ใปใจใ‚“ใฉใฎๅ ดๅˆใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ
16:32
going to mean input activities, because that's easy to organize.
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ใ‚คใƒณใƒ—ใƒƒใƒˆๆดปๅ‹•ใ‚’ๆ„ๅ‘ณใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚ใใ‚Œใฏ ๆ•ด็†ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใŒ็ฐกๅ˜ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
16:36
You know, I carry my iPhone with me.
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ใ”ๅญ˜็Ÿฅใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€็งใฏ iPhone ใ‚’ๆŒใกๆญฉใ„ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
16:38
I I use LingQ, I've got my lessons there.
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็งใฏ LingQ ใ‚’ไฝฟ็”จใ—ใฆใŠใ‚Šใ€ใใ“ใงใƒฌใƒƒใ‚นใƒณใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
16:41
I can listen to them.
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่žใใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
16:42
I have a playlist.
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ใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใƒชใ‚นใƒˆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
16:43
If I'm sitting in the doctor's office, I can look up words and read something.
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่จบๅฏŸๅฎคใซๅบงใฃใฆใ„ใ‚Œใฐใ€ ๅ˜่ชžใ‚’่ชฟในใฆไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’่ชญใ‚€ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
16:47
So I'm I'm engaging with the language in that way.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰็งใฏใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่จ€่ชžใซๅ–ใ‚Š็ต„ใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
16:49
So wherever you have an opportunity, input.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ๆฉŸไผšใŒใ‚ใ‚Œใฐใฉใ“ใงใ‚‚ใ‚คใƒณใƒ—ใƒƒใƒˆใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
16:52
However, when you have an opportunity the output to speak, absolutely take advantage
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ใŸใ ใ—ใ€ใ‚ขใ‚ฆใƒˆใƒ—ใƒƒใƒˆใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ๆฉŸไผšใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใใฏ ใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚’็ตถๅฏพใซๆดป็”จใ—ใ€
16:58
of it and don't worry about how you do and trust your instincts.
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ใ‚„ใ‚Šๆ–นใ‚’ๆฐ—ใซใ›ใšใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ ็›ดๆ„Ÿใ‚’ไฟกใ˜ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ ๆ‰‹ใซ
17:04
Come out with whatever you got.
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ๅ…ฅใ‚ŒใŸใ‚‚ใฎใฏไฝ•ใงใ‚‚ๅ‡บใฆใใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
17:06
That's what you have.
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ใใ‚ŒใŒใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
17:07
Let it come out, interact with people.
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ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅค–ใซๅ‡บใ—ใฆใ€ไบบใ€…ใจไบคๆตใ—ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
17:11
You'll get some feedback.
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ใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ‰ใƒใƒƒใ‚ฏใŒๅพ—ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใพใ™ใ€‚
17:12
And you just keep going.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใŸใ ็ถšใ‘ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
17:14
So input activities wherever you have the opportunity and output activities wherever
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ๆฉŸไผšใŒใ‚ใ‚Œใฐใฉใ“ใงใ‚‚ใ‚ขใ‚ฏใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ“ใƒ†ใ‚ฃใ‚’ใ‚คใƒณใƒ—ใƒƒใƒˆใ— ใ€ๆฉŸไผšใŒ
17:19
you have the opportunity.
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ใ‚ใ‚Œใฐใฉใ“ใงใ‚‚ใ‚ขใ‚ฏใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ“ใƒ†ใ‚ฃใ‚’ใ‚ขใ‚ฆใƒˆใƒ—ใƒƒใƒˆใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
17:21
Amazing advice.
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็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ‚ขใƒ‰ใƒใ‚คใ‚นใงใ™ใ€‚
17:22
Thank you so much for sharing that, Steve.
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ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใฆๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€‚
17:24
I'm sure all my students have learned a lot already and you share a lot of resources on
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็งใฎ็”Ÿๅพ’ใฎ็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใฏใ™ใงใซๅคšใใฎใ“ใจใ‚’ๅญฆใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ—ใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ YouTube ใƒใƒฃใƒณใƒใƒซใงๅคšใใฎใƒชใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚นใ‚’ๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™
17:30
your YouTube channel.
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17:32
You have an amazing app that you've developed called LingQ.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ€LingQ ใจใ„ใ†็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ‚ขใƒ—ใƒชใ‚’้–‹็™บใ—ใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
17:36
So can you quickly tell my students how they can find you?
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ใใ‚Œใงใฏใ€็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใซใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใ‚‹ๆ–นๆณ•ใ‚’็ฐกๅ˜ใซๆ•™ใˆใฆใ„ใŸใ ใ‘ใพใ™ใ‹ ?
17:39
How they can learn more about LingQ as well?
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ—ใฆ LingQ ใซใคใ„ใฆใ‚‚ใ•ใ‚‰ใซๅญฆใถใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹?
17:41
OK, so.
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ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€ใใ‚Œใงใ€‚
17:42
So my YouTube channel is called Lingo Steve All One Word and I put a video out once a
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ใใ“ใงใ€็งใฎ YouTube ใƒใƒฃใƒณใƒใƒซใฏ Lingo Steve All One Word ใจใ„ใ†ๅๅ‰ใงใ€
17:48
week on different aspects of language learning.
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่จ€่ชžๅญฆ็ฟ’ใฎใ•ใพใ–ใพใชๅด้ขใซใคใ„ใฆ้€ฑใซ 1 ๅ›žใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใ‚’ๅ…ฌ้–‹ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
17:50
I even speak in different languages, Japanese, French, Chinese, you name it and LingQ.
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ๆ—ฅๆœฌ่ชžใ€ ใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚น่ชžใ€ไธญๅ›ฝ่ชžใชใฉใ€ใ•ใพใ–ใพใช่จ€่ชžใ‚„ LingQ ใ‚‚่ฉฑใ›ใพใ™ใ€‚
17:56
lingq.com is a website that my son and I developed which is where I learn languages and it basically
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lingq.com ใฏๆฏๅญใจ็งใŒ้–‹็™บใ—ใŸ Web ใ‚ตใ‚คใƒˆใงใ€ ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ™ใ‚‹ๅ ดๆ‰€ใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ๅŸบๆœฌ็š„ใซ
18:03
enables people to use the resources of the Internet.
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ไบบใ€…ใŒใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒผใƒใƒƒใƒˆใฎใƒชใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚นใ‚’ๅˆฉ็”จใงใใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ—ใพใ™ ใ€‚
18:06
You can import YouTube videos.
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YouTubeใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใ‚’ใ‚คใƒณใƒใƒผใƒˆใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
18:08
You can import the ebooks.
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้›ปๅญๆ›ธ็ฑใ‚’ใ‚คใƒณใƒใƒผใƒˆใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
18:11
There's stuff in our library with a lot of repetition for people getting started, and
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็งใŸใกใฎใƒฉใ‚คใƒ–ใƒฉใƒชใซใฏใ€ ๅˆๅฟƒ่€…ๅ‘ใ‘ใซ็นฐใ‚Š่ฟ”ใ—ใฎๅคšใ„ๅ†…ๅฎนใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใ€
18:16
there's a bunch of functionality there to help you learn words and phrases.
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ๅ˜่ชžใ‚„ใƒ•ใƒฌใƒผใ‚บใฎๅญฆ็ฟ’ใซๅฝน็ซ‹ใคๆฉŸ่ƒฝใŒใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
18:19
So certainly that's what I like to use, but it doesn't matter, you know, people can do
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็ขบใ‹ใซใใ‚Œใฏ็งใŒๅฅฝใ‚“ใงไฝฟใ†่จ€่‘‰ใงใ™ใŒใ€ ใใ‚Œใฏๅ•้กŒใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
18:24
whatever they want to do as long as they put in the time and they have a positive attitude.
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ๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’่ฒปใ‚„ใ—ใ€ๅ‰ๅ‘ใใชๅงฟๅ‹ขใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚Œใฐใ€ไบบใฏใ‚„ใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใ“ใจใฏไฝ•ใงใ‚‚ใงใใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
18:28
Well, you heard it.
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ใพใ‚ใ€่žใ„ใŸใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใญใ€‚
18:29
Everyone put in the time, have a positive attitude.
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ๅ…จๅ“กใŒๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’ใ‹ใ‘ใฆใ€ๅ‰ๅ‘ใใชๅงฟๅ‹ขใ‚’ๆŒใกใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ† ใ€‚
18:33
Thank you so much, Steve.
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ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ€‚
18:34
It's truly been a pleasure.
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ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ†ใ‚Œใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใงใ™ใ€‚ ใฉใ†ใ‚‚
18:36
Thank you very much.
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ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
18:37
I enjoyed it.
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ใ‚ใŸใ—ใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’ๆฅฝใ—ใฟใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
18:38
What was your favorite part of this interview?
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ใ“ใฎใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒ“ใƒฅใƒผใงไธ€็•ชๆฐ—ใซๅ…ฅใฃใŸ็‚นใฏไฝ•ใงใ™ใ‹?
18:41
Put that in the comments and let's also say thanks, Steve.
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ใใ‚Œใ‚’ใ‚ณใƒกใƒณใƒˆใซๆ›ธใ„ใฆใ€ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใซใ‚‚ๆ„Ÿ่ฌใฎๆ„ใ‚’่กจใ—ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ† ใ€‚
18:45
Thanks Steve in the comments to show our support and appreciation.
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ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใซใ‚ณใƒกใƒณใƒˆใง็งใŸใกใฎใ‚ตใƒใƒผใƒˆใจๆ„Ÿ่ฌใฎๆ„ใ‚’็คบใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใ ใใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
18:50
Thanks Steve in the comments.
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ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ•ใ‚“ใ€ใ‚ณใƒกใƒณใƒˆใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
18:52
And I actually did another lesson where I reviewed a news article about Steve Kaufmann.
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And in this lesson you learn a lot of vocabulary, grammar, pronunciation.
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So you can click here to watch that lesson now.
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