How to Master English Fluency: Secrets from the Experts

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ไธ‹ใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžๅญ—ๅน•ใ‚’ใƒ€ใƒ–ใƒซใ‚ฏใƒชใƒƒใ‚ฏใ™ใ‚‹ใจๅ‹•็”ปใ‚’ๅ†็”Ÿใงใใพใ™ใ€‚ ็ฟป่จณใ•ใ‚ŒใŸๅญ—ๅน•ใฏๆฉŸๆขฐ็ฟป่จณใงใ™ใ€‚

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Hello my amazing students.
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ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใงใ™ใ€‚
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I am so excited for you because today  
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ไปŠๆ—ฅใฏใ€
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you are going to get the best  advice to become fluent fast.
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ๆ—ฉใๆตๆšขใซ่ฉฑใ›ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใฎๆœ€่‰ฏใฎใ‚ขใƒ‰ใƒใ‚คใ‚นใ‚’ๅพ—ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ใจใฆใ‚‚ๆฅฝใ—ใฟใซใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
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But this advice isn't coming from me.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใ“ใฎใ‚ขใƒ‰ใƒใ‚คใ‚นใฏ็งใ‹ใ‚‰ๅ‡บใŸใ‚‚ใฎใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
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This advice is coming from expert  polyglots and successful language learners.
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ใ“ใฎใ‚ขใƒ‰ใƒใ‚คใ‚นใฏใ€ ๅคš่จ€่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ๅฐ‚้–€ๅฎถใจ่จ€่ชžๅญฆ็ฟ’ใฎๆˆๅŠŸ่€…ใ‹ใ‚‰ใฎใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
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And they're going to share with you  their best language learning secrets.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ ่จ€่ชžๅญฆ็ฟ’ใฎๆœ€้ซ˜ใฎ็ง˜ๅฏ†ใ‚’ใ‚ใชใŸใซๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ™ใ‚‹ใคใ‚‚ใ‚Šใงใ™ใ€‚
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How to become fluent, faster,  and mistakes to avoid.
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ๆตๆšขใซใ€ใ‚ˆใ‚Š้€Ÿใใ€ใ‚ˆใ‚Š้€Ÿใๆตๆšขใซใชใ‚‹ๆ–นๆณ• ใจใ€้ฟใ‘ใ‚‹ในใ้–“้•ใ„ใ€‚
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Welcome back to JForrest English.
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JForrest English ใธใ‚ˆใ†ใ“ใใ€‚
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Of course.
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00:29
I'm Jennifer.
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ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€‚
็งใฏใ‚ธใ‚งใƒ‹ใƒ•ใ‚กใƒผใงใ™ใ€‚
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Now let's get started.
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ใ•ใ‚ๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
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First, we'll hear from famous polyglot Steve  Kaufmann, who has learned over 20 languages,  
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ใพใšๆœ€ๅˆใซใ€20 ไปฅไธŠใฎ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆใ‚“ใ ๆœ‰ๅใชๅคš่จ€่ชžๅฐ‚้–€ๅฎถใ€ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ– ใ‚ซใ‚ฆใƒ•ใƒžใƒณใ‹ใ‚‰
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and he's going to share his best advice with you.
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ๆœ€่‰ฏใฎใ‚ขใƒ‰ใƒใ‚คใ‚นใ‚’่žใใพใ™ใ€‚
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So Steve, you're a polyglot  who speaks 20 languages.
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ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ 20 ใ‹ๅ›ฝ่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ๅคš่จ€่ชž่ฉฑ่€…ใงใ™ใ€‚
00:48
What's your secret to learning languages?
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่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆใถ็ง˜่จฃใฏไฝ•ใงใ™ใ‹?
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First of all, I have to caution you when I say 20.
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ใพใšๆœ€ๅˆใซใ€20 ใจใ„ใ†ใจใใฏๆณจๆ„ใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
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I have learned 20 at different  times to varying degrees.
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็งใฏ 20 ใ‚’ใ•ใพใ–ใพใช ๆ™‚ๆœŸใซใ€ใ•ใพใ–ใพใช็จ‹ๅบฆใงๅญฆใณใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
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I can't say that I'm totally  fluent in 20 languages.
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็งใฏ 20 ใ‹ๅ›ฝ่ชžใ‚’ๅฎŒๅ…จใซๆตๆšขใซ่ฉฑใ›ใ‚‹ใจใฏ่จ€ใˆใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
01:01
I could easily switch into, say, a dozen  of them and others I would have to refresh.
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ใŸใจใˆใฐใ€12 ๅ€‹ใฎใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใซ็ฐกๅ˜ใซๅˆ‡ใ‚Šๆ›ฟใˆใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใŒใ€ ไป–ใฎใ‚‚ใฎใฏๆ›ดๆ–ฐใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
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Or I'm in the process of learning and the secret  is to enjoy the process, just to simply not worry  
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ใพใŸใฏใ€็งใฏๅญฆ็ฟ’ใฎ้Ž็จ‹ใซใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ใใฎ็ง˜่จฃใฏ ใใฎ้Ž็จ‹ใ‚’ๆฅฝใ—ใ‚€ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒใฉใ‚Œใ ใ‘ใ†ใพใ
01:11
about how well I'm doing, where what mistakes  I make, just expose myself to the language  
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ใ‚„ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ใ€ใฉใ“ใง้–“้•ใ„ใ‚’ ็Šฏใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ใ‚’ๅ˜็ด”ใซๅฟƒ้…ใ›ใšใ€ๆ™‚ใ€…ใใฎ่จ€่ชžใซ่‡ชๅˆ†ใ‚’ใ•ใ‚‰ใ™ใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€‚
01:17
every so often When I'm curious, I might look up  something related to grammar, some explanation.
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่ˆˆๅ‘ณใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ ๆ–‡ๆณ•ใซ้–ข้€ฃใ—ใŸใ‚‚ใฎใ‚„่ชฌๆ˜Žใ‚’่ชฟในใฆใฟใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
01:22
But I don't focus on explanations.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็งใฏ่ชฌๆ˜Žใซ้‡็‚นใ‚’็ฝฎใ„ใฆใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
01:24
I focus on getting the language into me  through a lot of listening and reading.
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็งใฏใŸใใ•ใ‚“่žใ„ใŸใ‚Š่ชญใ‚“ใ ใ‚Šใ—ใฆใ€่จ€่ชžใ‚’่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎไธญใซๅ–ใ‚Š่พผใ‚€ใ“ใจใซ้‡็‚นใ‚’็ฝฎใ„ใฆใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
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Well, 12 languages is still extremely impressive.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€12 ใ‹ๅ›ฝ่ชžใจใ„ใ†ใฎใฏใ‚„ใฏใ‚Š้žๅธธใซๅฐ่ฑก็š„ใงใ™ใ€‚
01:33
Now, do you think that anyone  can become a polyglot, or are  
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ใ•ใฆใ€่ชฐใงใ‚‚ ๅคš่จ€่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‹ใ€ใใ‚Œใจใ‚‚่จ€่ชžๅญฆ็ฟ’ใซ้–ขใ—ใฆใฏ็”Ÿใพใ‚ŒใชใŒใ‚‰ใซ
01:37
some people just more naturally gifted  when it comes to learning languages?
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ๆ‰่ƒฝใฎใ‚ใ‚‹ไบบใŒใ„ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใชใฎใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹ ?
01:42
I think that potentially  anyone can become a polyglot.
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ๆฝœๅœจ็š„ใซใฏ ่ชฐใงใ‚‚ๅคš่จ€่ชžใซใชใ‚Œใ‚‹ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
01:48
The more languages you learn, the easier  it becomes to learn new languages.
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ๅญฆใถ่จ€่ชžใŒๅข—ใˆใ‚Œใฐๅข—ใˆใ‚‹ใปใฉใ€ ๆ–ฐใ—ใ„่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆใถใฎใŒ็ฐกๅ˜ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
01:52
So the most difficult language  is your first foreign language  
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ๆœ€ใ‚‚้›ฃใ—ใ„่จ€่ชžใฏใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใพใงใซใ‚„ใฃใŸใ“ใจใŒใชใ„ใŸใ‚ใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ็ฌฌไธ€ๅค–ๅ›ฝ่ชžใงใ™
01:56
because you've never done it before.
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ใ€‚
01:58
You're you don't know how to go about it.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’ใฉใ†ใ‚„ใฃใฆ้€ฒใ‚ใ‚‹ในใใ‹ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
01:59
You're not confident.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ่‡ชไฟกใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
02:01
And I think that as you learn more  languages, those parts of your brain  
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚ˆใ‚Šๅคšใใฎ ่จ€่ชžใ€ใคใพใ‚Š
02:05
that deal with acquiring new languages, they  become more, you know, adept at doing it.
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ๆ–ฐใ—ใ„่จ€่ชžใฎ็ฟ’ๅพ—ใ‚’ๆ‰ฑใ†่„ณใฎ้ƒจๅˆ†ใ‚’ๅญฆใถใปใฉใ€่จ€่ชžใฎ็ฟ’ๅพ— ใซ็†Ÿ็ทดใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚‹ใฎใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
02:11
So I think anyone can do it.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰่ชฐใงใ‚‚ใงใใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
02:14
They have to be motivated, they have to put in  the time, and they get better and better at it.
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ใ‚„ใ‚‹ๆฐ—ใ‚’ๅ‡บใ—ใฆ ๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’่ฒปใ‚„ใ—ใ€ใฉใ‚“ใฉใ‚“ไธŠๆ‰‹ใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใใพใ™ใ€‚
02:18
But for most people, I think learning  one or two languages is enough.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใปใจใ‚“ใฉใฎไบบใซใจใฃใฆใ€ 1 ใคใ‹ 2 ใคใฎ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆในใฐๅๅˆ†ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
02:22
It just so happens that I,  for a variety of reasons,  
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ใŸใพใŸใพใงใ™ใŒใ€็งใฏ ใ•ใพใ–ใพใช็†็”ฑใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€
02:24
got interested in learning many languages.
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ๅคšใใฎ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆใถใ“ใจใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใ‚’ๆŒใกใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
02:27
And you mentioned motivation.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใƒขใƒใƒ™ใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใซใคใ„ใฆใ‚‚่จ€ๅŠใ—ใพใ—ใŸใญใ€‚ ๆˆๅŠŸใ—ใŸ่จ€่ชžๅญฆ็ฟ’่€…ใฎ
02:29
If you had to boil down the qualities  or personality traits of successful  
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่ณ‡่ณชใ‚„ๆ€งๆ ผ็š„็‰นๅพดใ‚’่ฆ็ด„ใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใจใ—ใŸใ‚‰
02:35
language learners, what would you say those are?
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ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏไฝ•ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
02:39
Well, obviously motivation is big.
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ใพใ‚ใ€ๆ˜Žใ‚‰ใ‹ใซใƒขใƒใƒ™ใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใŒๅคงใใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
02:42
The motivation, I would say attitude is big.
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ใƒขใƒใƒ™ใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใจใ„ใ†ใ‹ใ€ๅงฟๅ‹ขใŒๅคงใใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
02:45
So motivation is one thing.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ใƒขใƒใƒ™ใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใฏไธ€ใคใงใ™ใ€‚
02:48
Confidence, you know, enjoying the  language, enjoying the language,  
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่‡ชไฟกใ€่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๆฅฝใ—ใ‚€ใ“ใจ ใ€่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๆฅฝใ—ใ‚€ใ“ใจใ€
02:53
learning process, all of those things  are part of that positive attitude.
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ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ปใ‚นใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใ™ในใฆใŒ ๅ‰ๅ‘ใใชๅงฟๅ‹ขใฎไธ€้ƒจใงใ™ใ€‚ ใพใŸใ€ๅฎŒ็’งไธป็พฉ่€…ใซใชใ‚‰
02:58
And I also think it's very important not to  
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ใชใ„ใ“ใจใŒ้žๅธธใซ้‡่ฆใงใ‚ใ‚Š
03:00
be a perfectionist, very important to  accept, you know, fuzziness inserted.
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ใ€ ๆ›–ๆ˜งใ•ใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ๅ…ฅใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚‚้žๅธธใซ้‡่ฆใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
03:07
Jude, you know you don't quite understand.
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ใ‚ธใƒฅใƒผใƒ‰ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ‚ˆใ็†่งฃใ—ใฆใ„ใชใ„ใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
03:11
You keep forgetting the same words,  
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ๅŒใ˜ๅ˜่ชžใ‚’ๅฟ˜ใ‚Œ็ถšใ‘ใพใ™ใŒใ€ๅˆฅใฎ่จ€่ชžใ‚’็™บ่ฆ‹ใ™ใ‚‹ใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ปใ‚นใ‚’
03:14
and all of that is fine because you're enjoying  the process of discovering another language.
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ๆฅฝใ—ใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใ™ในใฆๅ•้กŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
03:19
And you mentioned confidence.
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ใใ—ใฆใ‚ใชใŸใฏ่‡ชไฟกใซใคใ„ใฆใ‚‚่จ€ๅŠใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
03:21
I'm going to ask you a follow up because many of  
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03:23
my students tell me that they lack  confidence when using their English.
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็งใฎ็”Ÿๅพ’ใฎๅคšใใŒใ€ ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ไฝฟใ†ใ“ใจใซ่‡ชไฟกใŒใชใ„ใจ่จ€ใ†ใฎใงใ€ใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒญใƒผใ‚ขใƒƒใƒ—ใ‚’ใŠ้ก˜ใ„ใ—ใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
03:29
So can you speak a little bit more  about the role that confidence has  
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ใใ‚Œใงใฏใ€
03:34
when learning and using a foreign language?
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ๅค–ๅ›ฝ่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ—ใŸใ‚Šไฝฟ็”จใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹้š›ใซ่‡ชไฟกใŒๆžœใŸใ™ๅฝนๅ‰ฒใซใคใ„ใฆใ€ใ‚‚ใ†ๅฐ‘ใ—่ฉณใ—ใใŠ่ฉฑใ—ใ„ใŸใ ใ‘ใพใ™ใ‹?
03:37
Confidence is huge and and that's why I put a a  great amount of emphasis on listening and reading.
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่‡ชไฟกใฏ้žๅธธใซๅคงใใ„ใฎใงใ€็งใฏ ใƒชใ‚นใƒ‹ใƒณใ‚ฐใจใƒชใƒผใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใƒณใ‚ฐใซ้‡็‚นใ‚’็ฝฎใ„ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
03:46
And you sometimes hear people say, well  I can read but I have trouble speaking.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ไบบใ€…ใŒใ€Œ ็งใฏ่ชญใ‚€ใ“ใจใฏใงใใพใ™ใŒใ€่ฉฑใ™ใฎใŒ่‹ฆๆ‰‹ใงใ™ใ€ใจ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‚’ๆ™‚ใ€…่žใใพใ™ใ€‚
03:50
But most of those people don't realize  just how much you need to read and listen.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใใ†ใ—ใŸไบบใ€…ใฎใปใจใ‚“ใฉใฏใ€ใฉใ‚Œใปใฉ ่ชญใ‚“ใ ใ‚Š่žใ„ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹โ€‹โ€‹ใ‚’็†่งฃใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
03:55
Like you have to read a book,  203 hundred pages, one book,  
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03:59
several books and the brain starts to get used  to the language and reading is so easy to do.
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ไฝ•ๅ†Šใ‹่ชญใ‚€ใจใ€่„ณใŒ ใใฎ่จ€่ชžใซๆ…ฃใ‚Œๅง‹ใ‚ใ€่ชญใ‚€ใฎใŒใจใฆใ‚‚็ฐกๅ˜ใซใชใ‚‹ใฎใจๅŒใ˜ใงใ™ใ€‚
04:06
And when we read, it's almost as if  we're speaking because we are sort  
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใŸใกใŒๆœฌใ‚’่ชญใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใ€็งใŸใกใฏ
04:09
of subconsciously as vocalizing  as we read and also listening.
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็„กๆ„่ญ˜ใฎใ†ใกใซใ€ ่ชญใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใจๅŒใ˜ใ‚ˆใ†ใซๅฃฐใ‚’ๅ‡บใ—ใ€ใพใŸ่žใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ใพใ‚‹ใง่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซๆ„Ÿใ˜ใพใ™ใ€‚
04:16
And so if you build up this degree  of confidence with the language,  
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ ่จ€่ชžใซๅฏพใ—ใฆใ“ใฎ็จ‹ๅบฆใฎ่‡ชไฟกใ‚’็ฏ‰ใใจใ€
04:19
the brain is used to the language.
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่„ณใฏใใฎ่จ€่ชžใซๆ…ฃใ‚Œใฆใใพใ™ใ€‚
04:20
The brain has formed a model of the language.
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่„ณใฏ่จ€่ชžใฎใƒขใƒ‡ใƒซใ‚’ๅฝขๆˆใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
04:22
When you go to speak, of course  you're going to struggle at first,  
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ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€่ฉฑใ™ใจใใฏ ๆœ€ๅˆใฏ่‹ฆๅŠดใ™ใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†
04:25
but you will gradually improve because  you have all these words inside you.
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ใŒใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎไธญใซใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎ่จ€่‘‰ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ๅพใ€…ใซไธŠ้”ใ—ใฆใ„ใใพใ™ ใ€‚
04:30
So I think part of it is being better prepared.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€้ƒจๅˆ†็š„ใซใฏใ‚ˆใ‚Š่‰ฏใ„ๆบ–ๅ‚™ใŒใงใใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
04:32
Most people don't put the time and  effort into reading and listening.
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ใปใจใ‚“ใฉใฎไบบใฏใ€ ่ชญใ‚“ใ ใ‚Š่žใ„ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซๆ™‚้–“ใจๅŠดๅŠ›ใ‚’่ฒปใ‚„ใ—ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
04:36
They desperately try to  remember some grammar rules,  
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ ใ„ใใคใ‹ใฎๆ–‡ๆณ•่ฆๅ‰‡ใ‚’ๅฟ…ๆญปใซ่ฆšใˆใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ—ใ€่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹้–“ใซ
04:38
and they try to think of grammar rules  while they're speaking, which is hopeless.
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ๆ–‡ๆณ•่ฆๅ‰‡ใ‚’่€ƒใˆใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ—ใพใ™ใŒ ใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ็ตถๆœ›็š„ใงใ™ใ€‚
04:43
And then they have to accept  that when they're speaking,  
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ ่ฉฑใ™ใจใใฏ
04:45
they're actually practicing speaking,  and they will gradually get better.
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ๅฎŸ้š›ใซ่ฉฑใ™็ทด็ฟ’ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ๅ…ฅใ‚Œใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ใใ†ใ™ใ‚Œใฐ ๅพใ€…ใซไธŠ้”ใ—ใฆใ„ใใพใ™ใ€‚
04:50
And while they're speaking, if they're speaking to  people that matter to them, they're getting very  
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹้–“ใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใซใจใฃใฆ้‡่ฆใชไบบใŸใกใจ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใ€ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ้žๅธธใซ
04:55
valuable input, which is also all part of training  the brain to be comfortable in the language.
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่ฒด้‡ใชใ‚คใƒณใƒ—ใƒƒใƒˆใ‚’ๅพ—ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ™ในใฆใ€ ใใฎ่จ€่ชžใซๆ…ฃใ‚Œใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใฎ่„ณใฎใƒˆใƒฌใƒผใƒ‹ใƒณใ‚ฐใฎไธ€็’ฐใงใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
05:01
So it's all about input and  understanding that all the  
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€้‡่ฆใชใฎใฏใ‚คใƒณใƒ—ใƒƒใƒˆใจใ€่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ™ใ‚‹
05:06
different things that we're doing when we're  learning a language contribute to that input.
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ใจใใซ่กŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ•ใพใ–ใพใชใ™ในใฆใฎใ“ใจใŒ ใใฎใ‚คใƒณใƒ—ใƒƒใƒˆใซๅฏ„ไธŽใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใ‚’็†่งฃใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
05:12
Well, exactly.
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05:13
Obviously, if you have an opportunity for output,  
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ๆ˜Žใ‚‰ใ‹ใซใ€ใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ญใƒณใ‚ฐใ‚„ใƒฉใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒณใ‚ฐใชใฉใฎใ‚ขใ‚ฆใƒˆใƒ—ใƒƒใƒˆใฎๆฉŸไผšใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใ€
05:16
for speaking or for writing, you  want to take advantage of it,  
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ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๆดป็”จใ—ใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
05:18
and you want to do it without worrying  about mistakes, just trusting your impulses.
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ใพใŸใ€้–“้•ใ„ใ‚’ๆฐ—ใซใ›ใš ใ€ใŸใ ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ่กๅ‹•ใ‚’ไฟกใ˜ใฆๅฎŸ่กŒใ—ใŸใ„ใจ่€ƒใˆใพใ™ใ€‚
05:23
But we don't necessarily, Unless we  live where their language is spoken,  
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ๅฟ…ใšใ—ใ‚‚ใใ†ใจใฏ้™ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฎ่จ€่ชžใŒ่ฉฑใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅœฐๅŸŸใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใชใ„้™ใ‚Šใ€
05:28
we don't always have a lot of  opportunity to speak with people.
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ไบบใ€…ใจ่ฉฑใ™ๆฉŸไผšใŒๅธธใซใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใฏ้™ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
05:32
We should speak whenever we can, but  we don't always have that opportunity.
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ใงใใ‚‹้™ใ‚Šใ„ใคใงใ‚‚่ฉฑใ™ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใŒใ€ ใใฎๆฉŸไผšใŒๅธธใซใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚ใ‘ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
05:35
But it's very easy to organize  listening, very easy to organize reading.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใƒชใ‚นใƒ‹ใƒณใ‚ฐใ‚’ๆ•ด็†ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใฏ้žๅธธใซ็ฐกๅ˜ใง ใ€่ชญใ‚€ใฎใ‚‚้žๅธธใซ็ฐกๅ˜ใงใ™ใ€‚
05:40
And you know, some people say, well, how can I  read if there's so many words that I don't know?
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็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใชใ„ๅ˜่ชžใŒใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใซใฉใ†ใ‚„ใฃใฆ่ชญใ‚ใฐใ„ใ„ใฎ?ใจ่จ€ใ†ไบบใ‚‚ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
05:44
Well, that's part of, You know,  we have link as an example,  
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏไธ€้ƒจใงใ™ใ€‚ ไพ‹ใจใ—ใฆใƒชใƒณใ‚ฏใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™
05:48
but if you are reading online,  you have online dictionaries.
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ใŒใ€ใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณใง่ชญใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใฏใ€ ใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณ่พžๆ›ธใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
05:51
It's so easy nowadays to work  on getting your vocabulary up  
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05:55
to where eventually you can read books on paper,  
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ๆœ€็ต‚็š„ใซใฏ็ด™ใฎๆœฌใ‚’่ชญใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚‹ใพใง่ชžๅฝ™ๅŠ›ใ‚’้ซ˜ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซๅ–ใ‚Š็ต„ใ‚€ใฎใฏ้žๅธธใซ็ฐกๅ˜ใงใ™
05:58
which is the ultimate sort of milestone when  you read your first book from cover to cover.
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ใ€‚ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ€ๆœ€ๅˆใฎๆœฌใ‚’ๆœ€ๅˆใ‹ใ‚‰ๆœ€ๅพŒใพใง่ชญใ‚€ใจใใฎ็ฉถๆฅตใฎใƒžใ‚คใƒซใ‚นใƒˆใƒผใƒณใงใ™ใ€‚
06:03
And all of that is, is part of getting you  in a place where you're comfortable speaking.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใ™ในใฆใฏใ€่ฉฑใ—ใ‚„ใ™ใ„ๅ ดๆ‰€ใซ่ช˜ๅฐŽใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใฎไธ€็’ฐใงใ™ ใ€‚
06:07
And coming back to that place of  getting comfortable speaking when  
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ใใ—ใฆใ€
06:12
I'm working with students and I'm sure all my.
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็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใจไป•ไบ‹ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใซใ€ๅฎ‰ๅฟƒใ—ใฆ่ฉฑใ™ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ๅ ดๆ‰€ใซๆˆปใฃใฆใใพใ™ใ€‚
06:15
Students.
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ๅญฆ็”Ÿใ€‚
06:16
Watching can relate to this question.
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่ฆ–่ดใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใ“ใฎ่ณชๅ•ใซ้–ข้€ฃใ™ใ‚‹ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
06:18
When I'm working with students,  
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็งใŒ็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใจๆŽฅใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใ€็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใŒ
06:20
the number one concern that they have is  that they don't feel confident speaking.
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ไธ€็•ชๅฟƒ้…ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใฏใ€ ่ฉฑใ™ใ“ใจใซ่‡ชไฟกใŒๆŒใฆใชใ„ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
06:27
They feel like they're being  judged by native speakers.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ ใƒใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ– ใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ซใƒผใซใ‚ˆใฃใฆๅˆคๆ–ญใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซๆ„Ÿใ˜ใพใ™ใ€‚
06:32
They're worried about their grammar mistakes.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏๆ–‡ๆณ•ใฎ้–“้•ใ„ใ‚’ๅฟƒ้…ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
06:34
They're worried that their accents are too thick,  
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎใ‚ขใ‚ฏใ‚ปใƒณใƒˆใŒๅผทใ™ใŽใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๅฟƒ้…ใ—ใฆใŠใ‚Šใ€ใใฎใŸใ‚
06:38
and all of this prevents them  from speaking confidently.
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่‡ชไฟกใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆ่ฉฑใ™ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
06:43
So what advice would you give to these students?
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ใใ‚Œใงใฏใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎๅญฆ็”ŸใŸใกใซใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚ขใƒ‰ใƒใ‚คใ‚นใ‚’ใ—ใพใ™ใ‹?
06:47
OK, well there's you mentioned  several things there.
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OKใ€ ใ„ใใคใ‹ใฎใ“ใจใซใคใ„ใฆ่จ€ๅŠใ—ใพใ—ใŸใญใ€‚
06:49
First of all, thick accent.
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ใพใšใฏๆฟƒๅŽšใชใ‚ขใ‚ฏใ‚ปใƒณใƒˆใ€‚
06:51
As long as you are comprehensible,  your accent is fine.
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็†่งฃใงใใ‚‹้™ใ‚Šใ€ ใ‚ขใ‚ฏใ‚ปใƒณใƒˆใฏๅ•้กŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
06:56
We have to accept that.
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็งใŸใกใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ๅ…ฅใ‚Œใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
06:58
Obviously, if we can get closer  to sort of native pronunciation,  
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ๆ˜Žใ‚‰ใ‹ใซใ€ใƒใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใฎ็™บ้Ÿณใซ่ฟ‘ใฅใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใฎใงใ‚ใ‚Œใฐ ใ€
07:02
we have to want to in a way, we want  to imitate the way the native speak.
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ใ‚ใ‚‹ๆ„ๅ‘ณใง ใƒใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใฎ่ฉฑใ—ๆ–นใ‚’็œŸไผผใ—ใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใ†ใฏใšใงใ™ใ€‚
07:07
But we have to realize, and I realize that I will  
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็งใŸใกใฏ็†่งฃใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใ€็งใŒๅญฆใ‚“ใ ่จ€่ชžใง
07:09
never be mistaken for a native speaker  in the languages that I have learned.
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ใƒใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ซใƒผใจ้–“้•ใ‚ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏๆฑบใ—ใฆใชใ„ใ“ใจใ‚’็†่งฃใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
07:15
So accept the fact that you have an accent.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใซใ‚ขใ‚ฏใ‚ปใƒณใƒˆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ไบ‹ๅฎŸใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ๅ…ฅใ‚Œใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
07:17
Also accept the fact that you're going to forget.
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ๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใฆใ—ใพใ†ใจใ„ใ†ไบ‹ๅฎŸใ‚‚ๅ—ใ‘ๅ…ฅใ‚Œใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
07:21
I mean we know if if we're if  I'm in some place and somebody  
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ ็งใŒใฉใ“ใ‹ใซใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใซใ€
07:25
shows up whom I know and but  what's his name or her name.
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็งใŒ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹่ชฐใ‹ใŒ็พใ‚Œใฆใ€ใใฎไบบใฎ ๅๅ‰ใพใŸใฏๅฝผๅฅณใฎๅๅ‰ใŒไฝ•ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹ใฏใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
07:30
The more pressure I put on myself to  try to remember that person's name,  
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ใใฎไบบใฎๅๅ‰ใ‚’่ฆšใˆใฆใŠใ“ใ†ใจ่‡ชๅˆ†ใซใƒ—ใƒฌใƒƒใ‚ทใƒฃใƒผใ‚’ใ‹ใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใ‹ใ‘ใ‚‹ใปใฉใ€
07:35
the more likely I am not to remember.
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ๆ€ใ„ๅ‡บใ›ใชใใชใ‚‹ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใŒ้ซ˜ใใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
07:37
And later on when there's no pressure on  me, Oh yeah, that was George or Sally.
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ใใ—ใฆๅพŒใง็งใซใƒ—ใƒฌใƒƒใ‚ทใƒฃใƒผใŒใชใใชใฃใŸใจใ ใ€ใใ†ใใ†ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใ‚ธใƒงใƒผใ‚ธใ‹ใ‚ตใƒชใƒผใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
07:43
So obviously there is a  certain amount of pressure,  
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€
07:45
tension when we speak because it's it's always  more comfortable to speak in your own language.
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ่จ€่ชžใง่ฉฑใ™ใปใ†ใŒๅธธใซๅฟซ้ฉใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใ€่ฉฑใ™ใจใใฏๆ˜Žใ‚‰ใ‹ใซใ‚ใ‚‹็จ‹ๅบฆใฎใƒ—ใƒฌใƒƒใ‚ทใƒฃใƒผใ‚„็ทŠๅผตใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
07:51
So you're speaking in another language,  
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ๅˆฅใฎ่จ€่ชžใง่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€
07:52
there's a little more tension and so it's  a little more difficult to remember things.
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็ทŠๅผตๆ„ŸใŒๅฐ‘ใ—ๅข—ใ—ใ€ ็‰ฉไบ‹ใ‚’่ฆšใˆใ‚‹ใฎใŒๅฐ‘ใ—้›ฃใ—ใใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
07:56
We just have to accept that all of that is normal.
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็งใŸใกใฏใใ‚ŒใŒใ™ในใฆๆญฃๅธธใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ๅ…ฅใ‚Œใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
07:59
It's normal not to understand,  it's normal to forget.
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็†่งฃใงใใชใ„ใฎใฏๆ™ฎ้€šใฎใ“ใจใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ ๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใฎใฏๆ™ฎ้€šใฎใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
08:02
And if we simply keep going, we will gradually  improve the more pressure we put on ourselves.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅ˜็ด”ใซ็ถšใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใ€ ่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใซใ‹ใ‘ใ‚‹ใƒ—ใƒฌใƒƒใ‚ทใƒฃใƒผใŒๅข—ใˆใ‚‹ใปใฉใ€ๅพใ€…ใซๆ”นๅ–„ใ—ใฆใ„ใใพใ™ใ€‚
08:08
Or if we try to avoid speaking because we're  afraid, then we aren't going to improve.
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ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ„ใฏใ€ๆ€–ใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰่ฉฑใ™ใ“ใจใ‚’้ฟใ‘ใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใ€ ๆ”นๅ–„ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
08:14
So I mean, it's easy to say, but I have  experienced it in many languages where  
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€่จ€ใ†ใฎใฏ็ฐกๅ˜ใงใ™ใŒใ€็งใฏ ๅคšใใฎ่จ€่ชžใง
08:19
I struggle, and sometimes we think we  did more poorly than we in fact did,  
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่‹ฆๅŠดใ—ใฆใ€ ๅฎŸ้š›ใ‚ˆใ‚Šใ‚‚ใ†ใพใใ„ใ‹ใชใ‹ใฃใŸใจๆ€ใ†ใ“ใจใ‚’ๅคšใใฎ่จ€่ชžใง็ตŒ้จ“ใ—ใฆใใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ใใฎๅ ดๅˆใฏใ€
08:26
and we just have to give ourselves credit.
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใ‚’่ค’ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ—ใ‹ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
08:28
Trust the brain.
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่„ณใ‚’ไฟกใ˜ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
08:29
The brain will gradually learn given enough  experience, and you just have to keep going.
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่„ณใฏๅๅˆ†ใช็ตŒ้จ“ใ‚’็ฉใ‚ใฐๅพใ€…ใซๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ—ใฆใ„ใใพใ™ใฎใงใ€ ็ถšใ‘ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
08:34
And of course, you're very  active in the polyglot community.
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ใใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ ๅคš่จ€่ชžใ‚ณใƒŸใƒฅใƒ‹ใƒ†ใ‚ฃใง้žๅธธใซๆดป็™บใซๆดปๅ‹•ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
08:37
Now I'm curious, what would a  polyglot think about making a  
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ใ•ใฆใ€็งใฏ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใŒใ€ ๅคš่จ€่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ไบบใฏใ€่‡ชๅˆ†
08:42
mistake when a polyglot is learning  or using one of their languages?
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ใฎ่จ€่ชžใฎ 1 ใคใ‚’ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใพใŸใฏไฝฟ็”จใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใซ้–“้•ใ„ใ‚’็Šฏใ™ใ“ใจใซใคใ„ใฆใฉใ†ๆ€ใ†ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹?
08:48
What do they think when they make a mistake?
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ้–“้•ใ„ใ‚’็Šฏใ—ใŸใจใใฉใ†ๆ€ใ†ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹๏ผŸ ็งใŒๅ‡บไผšใฃใŸ
08:52
I I think the the one common  trait to the polyglots that  
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ๅคš่จ€่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ไบบใ€…ใซๅ…ฑ้€šใ™ใ‚‹ 1 ใคใฎ็‰นๅพดใฏใ€
08:56
I've made met is that they aren't concerned.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒ็„ก้–ขๅฟƒใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใงใฏ
08:59
They are not.
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ใชใ„ใ€‚
09:00
They accept uncertainty.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏไธ็ขบๅฎŸๆ€งใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ๅ…ฅใ‚Œใพใ™ใ€‚
09:03
They accept uncertainty.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏไธ็ขบๅฎŸๆ€งใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ๅ…ฅใ‚Œใพใ™ใ€‚
09:04
That's it.
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ใใ‚ŒใงใŠใ—ใพใ„ใ€‚
09:05
It it, if you want to be  totally safe and comfortable,  
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ ๅฎŒๅ…จใซๅฎ‰ๅ…จใงๅฟซ้ฉใซใชใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใฎใงใ‚ใ‚Œใฐใ€
09:08
you don't learn another foreign language.
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ไป–ใฎๅค–ๅ›ฝ่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆใถๅฟ…่ฆใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
09:10
Once you are learning another foreign language,  
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ๅˆฅใฎๅค–ๅ›ฝ่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ€
09:12
you are now into this territory where there  are going to be mistakes and there's going  
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้–“้•ใ„ใŒ็™บ็”Ÿใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ€
09:16
to be things you don't understand and  things that you don't pronounce properly.
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็†่งฃใงใใชใ„ใ“ใจใ‚„ ๆญฃใ—ใ็™บ้Ÿณใงใใชใ„ใ“ใจใ‚‚ๅ‡บใฆใใ‚‹้ ˜ๅŸŸใซๅ…ฅใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
09:20
And people say, I beg your  pardon, what did you say?
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ใใ—ใฆไบบใ€…ใฏใ€ใ€Œๅคฑ็คผใงใ™ใŒ ใ€ไฝ•ใจ่จ€ใฃใŸใฎใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸใ€ใจ่จ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
09:21
And that's all part of the territory.
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ใใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใฏใ™ในใฆ้ ˜ๅœŸใฎไธ€้ƒจใงใ™ใ€‚
09:24
And polyglots accept this.
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ใใ—ใฆใƒใƒชใ‚ฐใƒญใƒƒใƒˆใฏใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ๅ…ฅใ‚Œใพใ™ใ€‚
09:27
Yeah.
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09:27
I've been to a number of polyglot conferences.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
็งใฏใ„ใใคใ‹ใฎๅคš่จ€่ชžใ‚ซใƒณใƒ•ใ‚กใƒฌใƒณใ‚นใซๅ‚ๅŠ ใ—ใฆใใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
09:30
And by the way, the overwhelming majority  of polyglots grew up in unilingual families.
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ใกใชใฟใซใ€ ๅคš่จ€่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ไบบใฎๅœงๅ€’็š„ๅคšๆ•ฐใฏใ€ๅ˜ไธ€่จ€่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ๅฎถๆ—ใง่‚ฒใกใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
09:36
So the idea that somehow polyglots  are people who grew up with a Spanish  
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ใฉใ†ใ„ใ†ใ‚ใ‘ใ‹ๅคš่จ€่ชž่ฉฑ่€…ใฏ ใ‚นใƒšใ‚คใƒณ่ชžใ‚’
09:39
speaking mother and a French speaking  father or whatever, that's not true.
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่ฉฑใ™ๆฏ่ฆชใจใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚น่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ ็ˆถ่ฆชใชใฉใฎๅ…ƒใง่‚ฒใฃใŸไบบใ€…ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†่€ƒใˆใฏ็œŸๅฎŸใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
09:43
The polyglots are people who got interested,  
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ๅคš่จ€่ชžๅฏพๅฟœ่€…ใจใฏใ€่ˆˆๅ‘ณใ‚’ๆŒใกใ€
09:46
who are confident that they can learn,  and who accept the fact that fuzziness  
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ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใงใใ‚‹ใจ่‡ชไฟกใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใŠใ‚Šใ€ ๆ›–ๆ˜งใ•
09:51
and not understanding and forgetting is  all part of learning another language.
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ใ€็†่งฃใงใใชใ„ใ“ใจใ€ๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏ ใ™ในใฆๅˆฅใฎ่จ€่ชžใฎๅญฆ็ฟ’ใฎไธ€้ƒจใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ไบ‹ๅฎŸใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ๅ…ฅใ‚Œใ‚‹ไบบใ€…ใงใ™ใ€‚
09:57
And we've.
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09:57
Already talked about the mistakes that  students make when they're learning a language.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใŸใกใฏใใ†ใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
็”Ÿๅพ’ใŒ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ™ใ‚‹้š›ใซ็Šฏใ™้–“้•ใ„ใซใคใ„ใฆใฏใ™ใงใซ่ชฌๆ˜Žใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
10:03
But what would you say are?
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏไฝ•ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
10:05
The biggest mistakes that language learners make.
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่จ€่ชžๅญฆ็ฟ’่€…ใŒ็Šฏใ™ๆœ€ๅคงใฎ้–“้•ใ„ใ€‚
10:09
Well, the biggest.
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ใพใ‚ใ€ๆœ€ๅคงใฎใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
10:10
So not specifically with reference to English,  but I I think this this desire to be perfect.
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็‰นใซ่‹ฑ่ชžใซ้–ขใ—ใฆใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ ใŒใ€ใ“ใ‚ŒใฏๅฎŒ็’งใซใชใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใจใ„ใ†ๆฌฒๆฑ‚ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
10:18
You know, I got to sound like a native.
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ใƒใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่žใ“ใˆใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ๆญฃใ—ใ„ๆ™‚ๅˆถใ‚’
10:20
I've got to, you know, get you  know, just the right tense.
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ไฝฟใ‚ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
10:24
It doesn't matter.
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10:24
Like tense is, a is a big item  for people learning English.
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ใใ‚Œใฏๅ•้กŒใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
ๆ™‚ๅˆถใจๅŒๆง˜ใซใ€a ใ‚‚ ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไบบใซใจใฃใฆ้‡่ฆใช้ …็›ฎใงใ™ใ€‚
10:28
And honestly, whether you say in many situations  it's optional, you can go I go or I am going,  
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ใใ—ใฆๆญฃ็›ดใซ่จ€ใ†ใจใ€ๅคšใใฎ็Šถๆณใงใ€ ใใ‚Œใฏใ‚ชใƒ—ใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใงใ™ใ€่กŒใฃใฆใ‚‚ใ„ใ„ใงใ™ใ€็งใฏ่กŒใใพใ™ใ€ใพใŸใฏ็งใฏ่กŒใใพใ™ใ€็งใฏ่กŒใใพใ—
10:36
I went, you know, I was going  very often, it doesn't matter.
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ใŸใ€ใปใ‚‰ใ€็งใฏ ้ ป็นใซ่กŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€ใจ่จ€ใ†ใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹ใฏๅ•้กŒใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
10:41
It may matter on a grammar test,  
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ๆ–‡ๆณ•ใƒ†ใ‚นใƒˆใงใฏ้‡่ฆใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“
10:43
but in reality there are a lot of tenses in  English, probably more tenses than we need.
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ใŒใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใซใฏ่‹ฑ่ชžใซใฏๅคšใใฎๆ™‚ๅˆถใŒใ‚ใ‚Š ใ€ใŠใใ‚‰ใๅฟ…่ฆไปฅไธŠใซๆ™‚ๅˆถใŒๅญ˜ๅœจใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
10:50
And so if you just go with a simple whatever,  
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ๅ˜็ด”ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ€
10:52
the simple present, the simple past,  in many cases that's going to work.
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ๅ˜็ด”ใช็พๅœจใ€ๅ˜็ด”ใช้ŽๅŽปใ‚’้ธๆŠžใ™ใ‚Œใฐใ€ ๅคšใใฎๅ ดๅˆใ€ใ†ใพใใ„ใใพใ™ใ€‚
10:57
Don't try to be perfect.
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ๅฎŒ็’งใซใชใ‚ใ†ใจใ—ใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
10:58
Don't, when speaking, try to  think through your grammar rules.
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่ฉฑใ™ใจใใฏใ€ๆ–‡ๆณ•ใƒซใƒผใƒซใ‚’ๅพนๅบ•็š„ใซ่€ƒใˆใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ—ใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ ใ€‚
11:01
That's not going to work.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ†ใพใใ„ใใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
11:04
You have to sort of have an  attitude that you're going to  
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11:06
develop certain habits in the language  and you're going to trust those habits.
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ใใฎ่จ€่ชžใง็‰นๅฎšใฎ็ฟ’ๆ…ฃใ‚’่บซใซใคใ‘ ใ€ใใฎ็ฟ’ๆ…ฃใ‚’ไฟก้ ผใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ๅงฟๅ‹ขใŒๅฟ…่ฆใงใ™ใ€‚
11:12
And when you speak, it's going to come out and  you will pick up on what other people are saying.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่ฉฑใ™ใจใใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒๅค–ใซๅ‡บใฆใ€ ไป–ใฎไบบใŒ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๆ‹พใ†ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
11:18
And if there are sort of rough  edges, if you have an open mind,  
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚ใ‚‹็จฎใฎ่’ๅ‰Šใ‚Šใช ้ƒจๅˆ†ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๅฟƒใ‚’้–‹ใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚Œใฐใ€
11:22
gradually those rough edges will  become, you know, less frequent.
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ๅพใ€…ใซใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎ่’ๅ‰Šใ‚Šใช้ƒจๅˆ†ใฏ ๅฐ‘ใชใใชใฃใฆใ„ใใพใ™ใ€‚
11:27
So I think a big mistake is to expect that  right now I'm as good as I'm ever going to be.
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ไปŠใฎ่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒใ“ใ‚Œใ‹ใ‚‰ใ‚‚ใšใฃใจใ†ใพใใ„ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆœŸๅพ…ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใฏๅคงใใช้–“้•ใ„ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
11:32
No, right now you're in the process of improving.
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ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€ไปŠใฏๆ”นๅ–„ใฎ้€”ไธญใงใ™ใ€‚
11:35
So keep going and you'll get better.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰็ถšใ‘ใฆใ„ใ‘ใฐๅฟ…ใš่‰ฏใใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
11:37
Sounds like exactly what you  said about attitude being one  
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ๆ…‹ๅบฆใฏๆœ€ใ‚‚้‡่ฆใชๆ€งๆ ผ็‰นๆ€งใฎ 1 ใคใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่จ€ใฃใŸใ“ใจใจใพใฃใŸใๅŒใ˜ใงใ™ใญ
11:40
of the most important personality traits.
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11:44
Absolutely yo attitude two.
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็ตถๅฏพใซๆ…‹ๅบฆ2ใงใ™ใ€‚
11:47
There are two things in language  learning, attitude and time.
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่จ€่ชžๅญฆ็ฟ’ใซใฏ 2 ใคใฎใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Š ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏๆ…‹ๅบฆใจๆ™‚้–“ใงใ™ใ€‚
11:50
So the attitude portion of it is  you know you like the language,  
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ๆ…‹ๅบฆใฎ้ƒจๅˆ†ใฏใ€ ใใฎ่จ€่ชžใŒๅฅฝใใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ€
11:53
you want to learn, you enjoy the learning process.
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ๅญฆใณใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ€ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ปใ‚นใ‚’ๆฅฝใ—ใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
11:56
That's difficult to do.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ้›ฃใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
11:57
You can't force yourself to like something.
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ไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’ๅฅฝใใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’่‡ชๅˆ†ใซๅผทๅˆถใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
12:00
However, you can force yourself to get active.
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ใŸใ ใ—ใ€ๅผทๅˆถ็š„ใซใ‚ขใ‚ฏใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
12:03
So if your attitude is not that keen on  say English, if it's English and I've  
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๆ…‹ๅบฆใŒใใ‚Œใปใฉ็†ฑๅฟƒใงใฏใชใ„ๅ ดๅˆใฏใ€ ่‹ฑ่ชžใงใ€็งใŒ
12:09
looked around for you know, TV programs  or things that I might get interested in  
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ๅ‘จใ‚Šใ‚’่ฆ‹ๅ›žใ—ใŸใฎใงใ€ใƒ†ใƒฌใƒ“็•ช็ต„ ใ‚„็งใŒ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใ‚’ๆŒใกใใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ€
12:13
or cooking shows or thing is try to find  something that interests you and vary it.
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ใพใŸใฏๆ–™็†็•ช็ต„ใชใฉใ€ ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใฎใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใฆใ€ใ•ใพใ–ใพใชใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’ๆŽขใ—ใฆใฟใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใ€‚
12:18
So you're on to something that relates  to business, something that relates to  
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใƒ“ใ‚ธใƒใ‚นใซ้–ข้€ฃใ—ใŸใ‚‚ใฎ ใ€ๆญดๅฒใซ้–ข้€ฃใ—ใŸใ‚‚ใฎ
12:22
history, that relates to cooking shows,  gardening, whatever, a variety of content.
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ใ€ๆ–™็†็•ช็ต„ใ€ ใ‚ฌใƒผใƒ‡ใƒ‹ใƒณใ‚ฐใชใฉใ€ใ•ใพใ–ใพใชใ‚ณใƒณใƒ†ใƒณใƒ„ใซ้–ข้€ฃใ—ใŸใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’ๆ‰ฑใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
12:27
Try to get interested and  and then put in the time.
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่ˆˆๅ‘ณใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆ ๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’ใ‹ใ‘ใฆใฟใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
12:31
It takes time, it takes time.
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ๆ™‚้–“ใŒใ‹ใ‹ใ‚‹ใ€ๆ™‚้–“ใŒใ‹ใ‹ใ‚‹ใ€‚
12:33
So I see immigrants to Canada, for example,  
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ใŸใจใˆใฐใ€ใ‚ซใƒŠใƒ€ใธใฎ็งปๆฐ‘ใฏ
12:35
who go home at night and they only watch  television programs in their own language.
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ๅคœใซใฏๅฎถใซๅธฐใ‚Šใ€ ๆฏๅ›ฝ่ชžใฎใƒ†ใƒฌใƒ“็•ช็ต„ใ ใ‘ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‚’็งใฏ็›ฎใซใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
12:42
OK, that's relaxing maybe, but  that's not going to help you.
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ใพใ‚ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใƒชใƒฉใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚นใงใใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€ ใใ‚Œใฏใ‚ใชใŸใฎๅŠฉใ‘ใซใฏใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใŸใจใˆใฐ
12:46
You have to be willing to put in a lot of  time, not only, let's say classroom time,  
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ๆŽˆๆฅญๆ™‚้–“ใ ใ‘ใงใชใใ€
12:51
but also if you're, you know, in the evening,  especially if you live in Canada or the United  
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ๅค•ๆ–นใ€ ็‰นใซใ‚ซใƒŠใƒ€ใ‚„็ฑณๅ›ฝใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใฏใ€
12:56
States, watch local television, put the  time in with the, engage with the language.
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ๅœฐๅ…ƒใฎใƒ†ใƒฌใƒ“ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใŸใ‚Šใ€ ๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’ใ‹ใ‘ใฆ่จ€่ชžใซๅ–ใ‚Š็ต„ใฟใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
13:03
So attitude and time.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ๆ…‹ๅบฆใจๆ™‚้–“ใงใ™ใ€‚
13:04
And speaking about putting in the  time when you're learning a language,  
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่จ€่ชžใฎๅญฆ็ฟ’ใซๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’่ฒปใ‚„ใ™ใ“ใจใซใคใ„ใฆ่จ€ใˆใฐใ€ใ€Œ
13:09
is there ever an end point when you say,  Yep, learn that language and you move on?
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ใใ†ใ ใ€ใใฎ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆใณใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€ใจ่จ€ใฃใฆ็ต‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ๆฌกใซ้€ฒใ‚€ใ“ใจใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹?
13:17
Or do you feel like learning is more of a process  and you'll always be learning a new language?
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ใใ‚Œใจใ‚‚ใ€ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใฏใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ปใ‚นใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใง ใ€ๅธธใซๆ–ฐใ—ใ„่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
13:25
Yeah, I mean, we're always more  comfortable in our own language.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใ€ใคใพใ‚Šใ€็งใŸใกใฏๅธธใซ ่‡ชๅˆ†ใŸใกใฎ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ไฝฟใ†ใปใ†ใŒๅฟซ้ฉใชใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
13:30
Although there are people who, let's  say say again, immigrants who spends,  
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ใ‚‚ใ†ไธ€ๅบฆ่จ€ใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€็งปๆฐ‘ใงใ€ใŠ้‡‘ใ‚’่ฒปใ‚„ใ™ไบบใ€่จ€่ชžใ‚’
13:34
who, who genuinely learn the  language, who work in English,  
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ๆœฌๆ ผ็š„ใซๅญฆใถไบบ ใ€่‹ฑ่ชžใงๅƒใไบบใ€่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’
13:37
who have friends with whom they speak  English, who always have a bit of an accent.
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่ฉฑใ™ๅ‹้”ใŒใ„ใ‚‹ไบบใ€ ๅธธใซๅฐ‘ใ—่จ›ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไบบใ‚‚ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
13:43
And they've kind of reached the point  where it it's it's more than good enough.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ€ใใ‚Œใงๅๅˆ†ใ™ใŽใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใจใ“ใ‚ใซใ‚ใ‚‹็จ‹ๅบฆๅˆฐ้”ใ—ใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
13:47
And in many cases even say immigrants  who speak with an accent may in fact  
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅคšใใฎๅ ดๅˆใ€ ่จ›ใ‚Šใฎใ‚ใ‚‹็งปๆฐ‘ใŒๅฎŸ้š›ใซใฏ
13:53
use the language better than many native speakers.
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ๅคšใใฎใƒใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ซใƒผใ‚ˆใ‚Šใ‚‚ใใฎ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ไธŠๆ‰‹ใซไฝฟใˆใ‚‹ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ‚‚่จ€ใ‚ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
13:56
So they're out of stage where  they're as good as it's going to get.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏๆœ€้ซ˜ใฎใ‚นใƒ†ใƒผใ‚ธใ‹ใ‚‰ๅค–ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
13:59
But but by and large it's it's  always an unfinished process.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ๆฆ‚ใ—ใฆใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ ๅธธใซๆœชๅฎŒไบ†ใฎใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ปใ‚นใงใ™ใ€‚ ็งใŒ
14:03
If I say that I speak 20 languages, even  the languages that I speak very well,  
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20 ใ‹ๅ›ฝ่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ใจ่จ€ใ†ใชใ‚‰ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ
14:07
like French or Japanese, or I can always get  better, you know, I can always get better.
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ใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚น่ชžใ‚„ๆ—ฅๆœฌ่ชžใชใฉใ€็งใŒใจใฆใ‚‚ไธŠๆ‰‹ใซ่ฉฑใ™่จ€่ชžใงใ‚ใฃใฆใ‚‚ใ€ ใ„ใคใงใ‚‚ไธŠๆ‰‹ใใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
14:14
So we're never, you know, it's never completed.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ๆฑบใ—ใฆๅฎŒๆˆใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
14:18
It's an ongoing process.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ้€ฒ่กŒไธญใฎใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ปใ‚นใงใ™ใ€‚
14:20
Now, previously you said that  it's normal to forget your words.
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ใ•ใฆใ€ไปฅๅ‰ใ€ ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ่จ€่‘‰ใ‚’ๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใฎใฏๆ™ฎ้€šใฎใ“ใจใ ใจ่จ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใญใ€‚
14:24
For example, in our native language, we might  be having a conversation and we forget the name  
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ใŸใจใˆใฐใ€ๆฏๅ›ฝ่ชžใงใฏใ€ๅ…ˆ้€ฑใใฎใƒฌใ‚นใƒˆใƒฉใƒณใซ่กŒใฃใŸใซใ‚‚ใ‹ใ‹ใ‚ใ‚‰ใšใ€ ไผš่ฉฑใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใฆใใฎใƒฌใ‚นใƒˆใƒฉใƒณใฎๅๅ‰ใ‚’ๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใฆใ—ใพใ†ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใŒใ€
14:29
of a restaurant, even though we went to that  restaurant last week, and that's just normal.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ”ใๆ™ฎ้€šใฎใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
14:36
But this is a concern that my students have  because they tell me that every time they go  
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ็งใฎ็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใŒๆŠฑใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๆ‡ธๅฟตใงใ™ใ€‚ ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใฏใ€่ฉฑใ—ใซ่กŒใใŸใณใซใ€
14:41
to speak, they forget all their words, even  simple words that they know really well.
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ่จ€่‘‰ใ‚’ใ™ในใฆๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใฆใ—ใพใ†ใ€ใŸใจใˆ ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ‚ˆใ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹็ฐกๅ˜ใชๅ˜่ชžใงใ‚ใฃใฆใ‚‚ๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใฆใ—ใพใ†ใ€ใจ็งใซ่จ€ใ†ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
14:48
When they're speaking, their mind goes  blank and they forget their words.
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่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจ้ ญใŒ ็œŸใฃ็™ฝใซใชใ‚Šใ€่จ€่‘‰ใ‚’ๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใฆใ—ใพใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ™ใ‚‹้š›ใซใ“ใฎๅ•้กŒใ‚’
14:53
Do you have a strategy for overcoming  this when you're learning languages?
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ๅ…‹ๆœใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใฎๆˆฆ็•ฅใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹ ๏ผŸ
14:59
You have to remember first of all,  very often you hear people talk about,  
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ใพใš่ฆšใˆใฆใŠใ„ใฆใปใ—ใ„ใฎใฏใ€ ใ‚ˆใไบบใ€…ใŒใ€ŒๅŸบๆœฌใ‚’ใƒžใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒผใ™ใ‚‹ใคใ‚‚ใ‚Šใ ใ€ใจใ„ใ†่ฉฑใ‚’่žใใ“ใจใงใ™
15:02
you know, I'm going to master the basics.
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15:04
We forget even the most basic words.
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็งใŸใกใฏๆœ€ใ‚‚ๅŸบๆœฌ็š„ใชๅ˜่ชžใงใ•ใˆใ‚‚ๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใฆใ—ใพใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
15:07
We forget the most basic structures.
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็งใŸใกใฏๆœ€ใ‚‚ๅŸบๆœฌ็š„ใชๆง‹้€ ใ‚’ๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
15:09
We forget things that we used to be able  to do and now we can't do all of a sudden.
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็งใŸใกใฏไปฅๅ‰ใฏใงใใฆใ„ใŸใ“ใจใ‚’ๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใฆใ—ใพใ„ ใ€็ช็„ถใงใใชใใชใฃใฆใ—ใพใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
15:13
We may be able to do it the next time.
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ๆฌกๅ›žใฏใงใใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
15:15
So the first thing is to accept that that is  
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ๆœ€ๅˆใซใ™ในใใ“ใจใฏใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒ
15:18
absolutely normal and it's part  of the process of communicating.
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ใพใฃใŸใๆญฃๅธธใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ ใ‚ณใƒŸใƒฅใƒ‹ใ‚ฑใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใฎใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ปใ‚นใฎไธ€้ƒจใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ๅ…ฅใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
15:23
But gradually, even the process of  forgetting and relearning is solidifying  
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ๅพใ€…ใซใ€ ๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใฆๅ†ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ™ใ‚‹ใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ปใ‚นใ•ใˆใ‚‚ใ€่„ณใฎ็ ”็ฉถใซใ‚ˆใฃใฆ่„ณใฎ่ƒฝๅŠ›ใŒๅ›บใพใฃใฆใ„ใใพใ™
15:29
the that capability in your brain that  the, you know, research into the brain.
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15:35
We need to see something, notice  something, forget it for a while,  
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็งใŸใกใฏไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆใ€ ไฝ•ใ‹ใซๆฐ—ใฅใใ€ใ—ใฐใ‚‰ใๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใฆใ€
15:39
go back to it, forget it again, go back to it.
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ๆˆปใฃใฆใ€ใพใŸๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใฆใ€ใพใŸๆˆปใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
15:41
And slowly.
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ใใ—ใฆใ‚†ใฃใใ‚Šใจใ€‚
15:42
That is how we accumulate words  that we can comfortably use.
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ใใ†ใ‚„ใฃใฆ็งใŸใกใฏๅฟซ้ฉใซไฝฟใˆใ‚‹่จ€่‘‰ใ‚’่“„็ฉใ—ใฆใ„ใใพใ™ ใ€‚
15:47
So forgetting is part of the process and  shouldn't make us feel uncomfortable.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ปใ‚นใฎไธ€้ƒจใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ ไธๅฟซใชๆ€ใ„ใ‚’ใ•ใ›ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
15:52
We good.
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ใ„ใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
15:53
I forgot.
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ๅฟ˜ใ‚ŒใŸใ€‚
15:54
Good.
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15:54
And I relearn it, and maybe I forget it again.
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่‰ฏใ„ใ€‚
ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚‚ใ†ไธ€ๅบฆๅญฆใณ็›ดใ—ใพใ™ใŒใ€ใพใŸๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใฆใ—ใพใ†ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
15:57
Good.
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15:57
And then I relearn it and gradually we improve.
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่‰ฏใ„ใ€‚
ใใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅญฆใณ็›ดใ—ใฆใ€ๅพใ€…ใซไธŠ้”ใ—ใฆใ„ใใพใ™ใ€‚
16:00
That's an amazing attitude to have.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ๆ…‹ๅบฆใงใ™ใ€‚
16:03
By forgetting you are in fact learning.
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16:07
Not only is it normal to forget  things, but it's beneficial.
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ๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏๆ™ฎ้€šใฎใ“ใจใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใงใชใใ€ ๆœ‰็›Šใชใ“ใจใงใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
16:11
So changing your attitude around it.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ใใ‚Œใซๅฏพใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๆ…‹ๅบฆใ‚’ๅค‰ใˆใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
16:13
I hope all my students remember that lesson.
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็งใฎ็”Ÿๅพ’ๅ…จๅ“กใŒใใฎๆ•™่จ“ใ‚’่ฆšใˆใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’้ก˜ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
16:17
What a powerful lesson.
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16:19
Now, Steve, you've shared so many lessons so  far, but if my students were to only do one  
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ใ•ใฆใ€ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ“ใ‚Œใพใง้žๅธธใซๅคšใใฎใƒฌใƒƒใ‚นใƒณใ‚’ๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ—ใฆใใพใ—ใŸ ใŒใ€่‹ฑ่ชžใฎๆตๆšขใ•ใ‚’ๅ‘ไธŠใ•ใ›ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซไปŠ้€ฑ็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใŒ 1 ใคใฎใ“ใจใ ใ‘ใ‚’่กŒใ†ใจใ—ใŸใ‚‰ใ€
16:26
thing this week to help them improve their  fluency in English, what should they do?
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ไฝ•ใ‚’ใ™ในใใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹?
16:33
Well, you know it.
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16:35
It's not one thing I I would say put in the time,  
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16:41
which in most cases is going to mean input  activities, because that's easy to organize.
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ใปใจใ‚“ใฉใฎๅ ดๅˆใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใ‚คใƒณใƒ—ใƒƒใƒˆๆดปๅ‹•ใ‚’ๆ„ๅ‘ณใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏๆ•ด็†ใ—ใ‚„ใ™ใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
16:46
You know, I carry my iPhone with me.
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ใ”ๅญ˜็Ÿฅใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€็งใฏ iPhone ใ‚’ๆŒใกๆญฉใ„ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
16:48
I I use Link, I've got my lessons there.
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็งใฏใƒชใƒณใ‚ฏใ‚’ไฝฟ็”จใ—ใฆใŠใ‚Šใ€ใใ“ใงใƒฌใƒƒใ‚นใƒณใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
16:51
I can listen to them.
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่žใใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
16:52
I have a playlist.
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ใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚คใƒชใ‚นใƒˆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
16:53
If I'm sitting in the doctor's office,  I can look up words and read something.
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่จบๅฏŸๅฎคใซๅบงใฃใฆใ„ใ‚Œใฐใ€ ๅ˜่ชžใ‚’่ชฟในใฆไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’่ชญใ‚€ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
16:57
So I'm I'm engaging with  the language in in that way.
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16:59
So wherever you have an opportunity input.
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17:03
However, when you have an opportunity  the output to speak absolutely take  
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ใŸใ ใ—ใ€่ฉฑใ™ๆฉŸไผšใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใใฏใ€
17:08
advantage of it and don't worry about  how you do and trust your instincts.
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ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๆœ€ๅคง้™ใซๆดป็”จใ—ใ€ ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎใ‚„ใ‚Šๆ–นใ‚’ๅฟƒ้…ใ›ใšใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ็›ดๆ„Ÿใ‚’ไฟกใ˜ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ ๆ‰‹ใซ
17:14
Come out with whatever you got.
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ๅ…ฅใ‚ŒใŸใ‚‚ใฎใฏไฝ•ใงใ‚‚ๅ‡บใฆใใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
17:16
That's what you have.
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ใใ‚ŒใŒใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
17:17
Let it come out, interact with people.
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ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅค–ใซๅ‡บใ—ใฆใ€ไบบใ€…ใจไบคๆตใ—ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
17:20
You'll get some feedback and you just keep going.
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ใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ‰ใƒใƒƒใ‚ฏใŒๅพ—ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ใใฎใพใพ็ถšใ‘ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
17:24
So input activities wherever you  have the opportunity and output  
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ๆฉŸไผšใŒใ‚ใ‚Œใฐใฉใ“ใงใ‚‚ใ‚ขใ‚ฏใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ“ใƒ†ใ‚ฃใ‚’ๅ…ฅๅŠ›ใ— ใ€
17:29
activities wherever you have the opportunity.
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ๆฉŸไผšใŒใ‚ใ‚Œใฐใฉใ“ใงใ‚‚ใ‚ขใ‚ฏใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ“ใƒ†ใ‚ฃใ‚’ๅ‡บๅŠ›ใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
17:31
Amazing advice.
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17:32
Thank you so much for sharing that, Steve.
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ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใฆๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€‚
17:34
I'm sure all my students have  learned a lot already and you  
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็”Ÿๅพ’ใฎ็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใฏ ใ™ใงใซๅคšใใฎใ“ใจใ‚’ๅญฆใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ—ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ
17:38
share a lot of resources on your YouTube channel.
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YouTube ใƒใƒฃใƒณใƒใƒซใงๅคšใใฎใƒชใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚นใ‚’ๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
17:42
You have an amazing app that  you've developed called Lync.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ€ Lync ใจใ„ใ†็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ‚ขใƒ—ใƒชใ‚’้–‹็™บใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
17:46
So can you quickly tell my  students how they can find you?
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ใใ‚Œใงใฏใ€็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใซใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใ‚‹ๆ–นๆณ•ใ‚’็ฐกๅ˜ใซๆ•™ใˆใฆใ„ใŸใ ใ‘ใพใ™ใ‹ใ€‚
17:49
How they can learn more about Lync as well?
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Lync ใซใคใ„ใฆใ‚‚่ฉณใ—ใ็Ÿฅใ‚‹ใซใฏใฉใ†ใ™ใ‚Œใฐใ‚ˆใ„ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹?
17:52
Well, my YouTube channel is called Lingo Steve,  
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็งใฎ YouTube ใƒใƒฃใƒณใƒใƒซใฏ Lingo Steveใ€
17:55
All One Word and I put a video out once a week  on different aspects of language learning.
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All One Word ใจใ„ใ†ๅๅ‰ใงใ€่จ€่ชžๅญฆ็ฟ’ใฎใ•ใพใ–ใพใชๅด้ขใซ้–ขใ™ใ‚‹ใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใ‚’้€ฑใซ 1 ๅ›žๅ…ฌ้–‹ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
18:00
I even speak in different languages, Japanese,  French, Chinese, you name it and link.
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ๆ—ฅๆœฌ่ชžใ€ใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚น่ชžใ€ไธญๅ›ฝ่ชžใชใฉใ€ใ•ใพใ–ใพใช่จ€่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚ ๅๅ‰ใ‚’ไป˜ใ‘ใฆใƒชใƒณใ‚ฏใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
18:05
lingq.com is a website that my son and I  developed, which is where I learn languages  
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lingq.com ใฏๆฏๅญใจ็งใŒ ้–‹็™บใ—ใŸใ‚ฆใ‚งใƒ–ใ‚ตใ‚คใƒˆใงใ€็งใฏใใ“ใง่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆใณ
18:12
and it basically enables people to  use the resources of the Internet.
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ใ€ๅŸบๆœฌ็š„ใซไบบใ€…ใŒ ใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒผใƒใƒƒใƒˆใฎใƒชใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚นใ‚’ๅˆฉ็”จใงใใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
18:16
You can import YouTube  videos, you can import ebooks,  
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YouTube ๅ‹•็”ปใ‚’ใ‚คใƒณใƒใƒผใƒˆใ—ใŸใ‚Š ใ€้›ปๅญๆ›ธ็ฑใ‚’ใ‚คใƒณใƒใƒผใƒˆใ—ใŸใ‚Šใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
18:21
There's stuff in our library with a lot  of repetition for people getting started,  
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ใƒฉใ‚คใƒ–ใƒฉใƒชใซใฏใ€ ๅˆๅฟƒ่€…ๅ‘ใ‘ใซ็นฐใ‚Š่ฟ”ใ—ใฎๅคšใ„ใ‚ณใƒณใƒ†ใƒณใƒ„ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใ€
18:26
and there's a bunch of functionality  there to help you learn words and phrases.
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ๅ˜่ชžใ‚„ใƒ•ใƒฌใƒผใ‚บใฎๅญฆ็ฟ’ใซๅฝน็ซ‹ใคๆฉŸ่ƒฝใŒๅคšๆ•ฐใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
18:29
So certainly that's what I like to use, but  it doesn't matter, you know, people can do  
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็ขบใ‹ใซใใ‚ŒใŒ็งใŒๅฅฝใ‚“ใงไฝฟใ†่จ€่‘‰ใงใ™ใŒใ€ ใใ‚Œใฏๅ•้กŒใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’่ฒปใ‚„ใ—ใ€ๅ‰ๅ‘ใใชๅงฟๅ‹ขใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹้™ใ‚Šใ€ไบบใฏใ‚„ใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใ“ใจใ‚’ไฝ•ใงใ‚‚่กŒใ†ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™
18:34
whatever they want to do as long as they put  in the time and they have a positive attitude.
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18:38
Well, you heard that everyone put in  the time have a positive attitude.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’่ฒปใ‚„ใ—ใŸไบบใฏ็š†ใ€ ๅ‰ๅ‘ใใชๅงฟๅ‹ขใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจ่žใใพใ—ใŸใญใ€‚
18:43
Thank you so much, Steve.
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ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใ€‚
18:44
It's truly been a pleasure.
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ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ†ใ‚Œใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใงใ™ใ€‚
18:46
Thank you very much.
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ใฉใ†ใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
18:47
I enjoyed it.
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ใ‚ใŸใ—ใฏใใ‚Œใ‚’ๆฅฝใ—ใฟใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
18:48
Such amazing advice.
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ใจใฆใ‚‚็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ‚ขใƒ‰ใƒใ‚คใ‚นใงใ™ใ€‚
18:50
Let's show our appreciation and  put thanks Steve in the comments.
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ๆ„Ÿ่ฌใฎๆฐ—ๆŒใกใ‚’่กจใ—ใ€ ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใธใฎๆ„Ÿ่ฌใฎๆฐ—ๆŒใกใ‚’ใ‚ณใƒกใƒณใƒˆๆฌ„ใซ่จ˜ๅ…ฅใ—ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
18:55
Put thanks Steve in the comments.
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ใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ–ใซๆ„Ÿ่ฌใฎๆ„ใ‚’ใ‚ณใƒกใƒณใƒˆๆฌ„ใซๆ›ธใ„ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
18:57
Now let's move on and hear  from polyglot Luca Lamparello,  
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ใ•ใฆใ€่ฉฑใ‚’่žใ„ใฆใฟใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚15
19:02
who has learned 15 languages and he's  going to reveal his best secrets to you.
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ใ‹ๅ›ฝ่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆใ‚“ใ ๅคš่จ€่ชžใฎใƒซใ‚ซ ใƒฉใƒณใƒ‘ใƒฌใƒญใŒใ€ ใใฎๆœ€้ซ˜ใฎ็ง˜ๅฏ†ใ‚’ใ‚ใชใŸใซๆ˜Žใ‹ใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
19:09
Hello.
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ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€‚
19:10
Luca, thank you so much for  being here on my channel.
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ใƒซใ‚ซใ€ ็งใฎใƒใƒฃใƒณใƒใƒซใซๆฅใฆใ„ใŸใ ใใ€ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
19:13
Hi, Jennifer.
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ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€ใ‚ธใ‚งใƒ‹ใƒ•ใ‚กใƒผใ€‚ ใ”
19:14
Thank you for inviting me.
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ๆ‹›ๅพ…ใ„ใŸใ ใใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
19:16
Absolutely.
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็ตถๅฏพใซใ€‚
19:17
So you're a polyglot.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๅคš่จ€่ชžๅฏพๅฟœ่€…ใชใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
19:19
Why don't you tell everyone?
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ใชใœใฟใ‚“ใชใซๆ•™ใˆใชใ„ใฎใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
19:20
How many languages do you speak?
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏไฝ•ใ‚ซๅ›ฝ่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ—ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
19:24
So when people ask me how many  languages I speak, I always reply  
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ใใฎใŸใ‚ใ€ไบบใ€…ใŒ็งใŒไฝ•ใƒถ ๅ›ฝ่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ›ใ‚‹ใ‹ใจๅฐ‹ใญใ‚‹ใจใ€็งใฏๅธธใซ
19:28
that I've been learning 15 languages  and I am functional in 10 or 11.
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15 ใƒถๅ›ฝ่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ—ใฆใŠใ‚Š ใ€10 ใ‹ 11 ใƒถๅ›ฝ่ชžใฏไฝฟใˆใ‚‹ใจ็ญ”ใˆใพใ™ใ€‚
19:35
Meaning that if you ask me at the drop of a  hat to have a conversation with you right now,  
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ ใ‚ใชใŸใจไผš่ฉฑใ—ใŸใ„ใจ็ช็„ถ้ ผใพใ‚ŒใŸๅ ดๅˆใฏใ€ๆญฃใ—ใ็ญ”ใˆใ‚‰ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚ ไปŠใงใฏใ€10 ๏ฝž 11 ใ‹ๅ›ฝ่ชžใง
19:40
I would be able to hold a conversation  and more in 10 to 11 languages.
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ไผš่ฉฑใชใฉใ‚’่กŒใ†ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ ใ€‚
19:45
But I've been learning 15 in my  language learning career, so to speak.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็งใฏ่จ€่ชžๅญฆ็ฟ’ใฎใ‚ญใƒฃใƒชใ‚ขใฎไธญใงใ€ใ„ใ‚ใฐ 15 ใฎ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ—ใฆใใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚ ็งใฎใƒใƒฃใƒณใƒใƒซ
19:50
Well, I know a lot of people on  my channel struggle with learning  
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ใฎๅคšใใฎไบบใŒ 1 ใคใฎ่จ€่ชžใฎ ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใซ่‹ฆๅŠดใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใง
19:54
one language, so that's an amazing accomplishment.
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ใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ๆˆๆžœใงใ™ใ€‚
19:57
Now, just so everyone knows,  English is not your native language.
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ใ•ใฆใ€็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใซ็ŸฅใฃใฆใŠใ„ใฆใ„ใŸใ ใใŸใ„ใฎใงใ™ใŒใ€ ่‹ฑ่ชžใฏใ‚ใชใŸใฎๆฏๅ›ฝ่ชžใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
20:02
Is that correct?
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ใ‚ใ‚Œใฏๆญฃใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
20:03
Yes, that's correct.
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ใใ‚Œใฏๆญฃ่งฃใงใ™ใ€‚
20:04
My native language is Italian.
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็งใฎๆฏๅ›ฝ่ชžใฏใ‚คใ‚ฟใƒชใ‚ข่ชžใงใ™ใ€‚
20:05
I was born and raised in Italy.
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็งใฏใ‚คใ‚ฟใƒชใ‚ขใง็”Ÿใพใ‚Œ่‚ฒใกใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
20:08
OK, can you quickly summarize your experience  with learning English as a second language?
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ใงใฏใ€็ฌฌไบŒ่จ€่ชžใจใ—ใฆใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžๅญฆ็ฟ’ใฎ็ตŒ้จ“ใ‚’็ฐกๅ˜ใซใพใจใ‚ใฆใ‚‚ใ‚‰ใˆใพใ™ใ‹ ๏ผŸ
20:13
Sure.
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20:14
So first doom and gloom and desperation at school.
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใพใšๅญฆๆ กใงใฎ็ ดๆป…ใจๆ†‚้ฌฑใจ็ตถๆœ›ใ€‚
20:19
I started learning English when  I was 10, in middle school.
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็งใฏ 10 ๆญณใฎไธญๅญฆ็”Ÿใฎใจใใซ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆใณๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
20:23
And then at the ripe age of 12,  
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ใใ—ใฆ12ๆญณใฎ็†Ÿใ—ใŸใจใใ€
20:26
my teachers decided to hire a an  American tutor, Susan, from Chicago.
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็งใฎๆ•™ๅธซใฏ ใ‚ทใ‚ซใ‚ดๅ‡บ่บซใฎใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซไบบๅฎถๅบญๆ•™ๅธซใ‚นใƒผใ‚ถใƒณใ‚’้›‡ใ†ใ“ใจใซๆฑบใ‚ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
20:30
And that changed everything, because until then  I could not even pronounce the word enough.
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ใใ‚Œใพใงใฏ ใใฎๅ˜่ชžใ‚’ๅๅˆ†ใซ็™บ้Ÿณใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ•ใˆใงใใชใ‹ใฃใŸใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
20:36
I used to say inalg, because Italians are  notoriously like we we tend to read in Italian.
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ใ‚คใ‚ฟใƒชใ‚ขไบบใฏใ€ ็งใŸใกใŒใ‚คใ‚ฟใƒชใ‚ข่ชžใง่ชญใ‚€ๅ‚พๅ‘ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใจใ‚ˆใไผผใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€็งใฏใ‚ˆใ inalg ใจ่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
20:42
You read, you speak as you as you as you write so,  
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ€ๆ›ธใใจใใจๅŒใ˜ใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่ชญใ‚“ใ ใ‚Šใ€่ฉฑใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ—ใพใ™ใŒใ€
20:47
but in English, which is a non,  it's not a phonetic language.
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้ž้Ÿณๅฃฐ่จ€่ชžใงใ‚ใ‚‹่‹ฑ่ชžใงใฏใ€ ้Ÿณๅฃฐ่จ€่ชžใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
20:50
It's completely different.
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20:51
And then she changed everything because I moved  from having to do homework for school and with a  
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใŒ ๅญฆๆ กใฎๅฎฟ้กŒใ‚’ใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใšใ€
20:58
relatively, let's say, unpleasant English teacher,  to watching movies, having interesting and  
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ๆฏ”่ผƒ็š„ใ€ใŸใจใˆใฐไธๅฟซใช่‹ฑ่ชžใฎๅ…ˆ็”Ÿใจ้Žใ”ใ™ใ“ใจใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ ๆ˜ ็”ปใ‚’่ฆณใŸใ‚Šใ€ๆ˜ ็”ปใ‚’้Œฒ็”ปใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใฆ
21:05
meaningful conversations with Susan, who used to  record, you know, movies for me back in the day.
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ใ„ใŸใ‚นใƒผใ‚ถใƒณใจ้ข็™ฝใใฆๆ„ๅ‘ณใฎใ‚ใ‚‹ไผš่ฉฑใ‚’ใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใฃใŸใฎใงใ€ๅฝผๅฅณใฏใ™ในใฆใ‚’ๅค‰ใˆใฆใใ‚Œใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ๆ˜”ใซๆˆปใฃใฆใ€‚
21:10
We didn't have the Internet  And I started having fun.
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็งใŸใกใซใฏใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒผใƒใƒƒใƒˆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใใ—ใฆ็งใฏๆฅฝใ—ใฟๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
21:14
I started realizing that I could learn English by  myself and all those limiting beliefs that I had,  
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็งใฏ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’่‡ชๅˆ†ใงๅญฆ็ฟ’ใงใใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซๆฐ—ใฅใๅง‹ใ‚ใ€่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใซ่ชฒใ—ใŸใ‚‚ใฎ ใจ็คพไผšใซใ‚ˆใฃใฆ่ชฒใ•ใ‚ŒใŸใ‚‚ใฎไธกๆ–นใฎใ€็งใŒๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใŸๅˆถ้™็š„ใชไฟกๅฟตใฏ
21:20
both self-imposed and imposed by  society then just melted like snow.
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ใ™ในใฆใ€ ้›ชใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๆบถใ‘ใฆใ—ใพใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
21:27
And that's the moment where  everything changed at at 12.
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ใใ‚ŒใŒใ€ 12 ๆญณใงใ™ในใฆใŒๅค‰ใ‚ใฃใŸ็žฌ้–“ใงใ™ใ€‚
21:30
And then, you know, I started learning more  and more by myself, starting reading books,  
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ”ๅญ˜็Ÿฅใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€็งใฏใพใ™ใพใ™ ็‹ฌๅญฆใงๅญฆใณๅง‹ใ‚ใ€ๆœฌใ‚’่ชญใฟๅง‹ใ‚ใ€
21:35
starting watching more and more, you know, movies.
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ๆ˜ ็”ปใ‚’ใ‚‚ใฃใจ่ฆ‹ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
21:38
And then I went abroad to  Ireland for the first time.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ๅˆใ‚ใฆใ‚ขใ‚คใƒซใƒฉใƒณใƒ‰ใธๆตทๅค–ใธ่กŒใใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
21:40
And I remember that people call me  the American in the neighborhood.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€่ฟ‘ๆ‰€ใงใฏไบบใ€…ใŒ็งใฎใ“ใจใ‚’ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซไบบใ ใจๅ‘ผใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’่ฆšใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
21:44
And I was very proud of that  because just three years prior,  
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใฏใใฎใ“ใจใ‚’ใจใฆใ‚‚่ช‡ใ‚Šใซๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ใปใ‚“ใฎ 3 ๅนดๅ‰ใ€
21:48
I could not even string a sentence together.
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็งใฏๆ–‡ใ‚’็น‹ใใ“ใจใ•ใˆใงใใชใ‹ใฃใŸใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
21:50
And then in the course of last, I would say,  
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21:53
or the last 20-30 years, I've been  using English a lot with my friends.
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20 ๏ฝž 30 ๅนดใฎ้–“ใ€็งใฏ ๅ‹้”ใจ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ใ‚ˆใไฝฟใฃใฆใใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
21:59
And you know, I've been living  with the English language.
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ใ”ๅญ˜็Ÿฅใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€็งใฏ่‹ฑ่ชžใจใจใ‚‚ใซ็”Ÿใใฆใใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
22:02
I've been, I've been, I've been learning  English and using English a lot,  
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็งใฏใšใฃใจใ€ใšใฃใจใ€ ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ๅ‹‰ๅผทใ—ใ€่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ไฝฟใฃใฆใใŸใฎใงใ€
22:06
so now I think I speak it decently.
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ไปŠใงใฏใพใจใ‚‚ใซ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ›ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใฃใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
22:10
Oh, absolutely.
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€็ตถๅฏพใซใ€‚ ใใฃใจ
22:11
I'm sure all my students would agree.
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็”Ÿๅพ’ๅ…จๅ“กใŒๅŒๆ„ใ™ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
22:14
And so for you, it seems like the moment  that things change is when you went from  
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใซใจใฃใฆใ€ ็‰ฉไบ‹ใŒๅค‰ใ‚ใ‚‹็žฌ้–“ใฏใ€ๆฅฝใ—ใใชใ‹ใฃใŸ
22:20
a language learning approach that you  didn't enjoy to one that you did enjoy.
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่จ€่ชžๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ‚ขใƒ—ใƒญใƒผใƒใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ ๆฅฝใ—ใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใซๅค‰ใ‚ใฃใŸใจใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใงใ™ใ€‚ ไป–ใฎ่จ€่ชžใฎๅญฆ็ฟ’ใซใ‚‚
22:26
Is that how you apply the same approach  to learning your your other languages?
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ๅŒใ˜ใ‚ขใƒ—ใƒญใƒผใƒใ‚’้ฉ็”จใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹ ?
22:31
Yeah, let's put it this way, that the the  shift was both a in terms of techniques but  
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ใ“ใฎ ๅค‰ๅŒ–ใฏใƒ†ใ‚ฏใƒ‹ใƒƒใ‚ฏใฎ้ขใงใ‚‚ใ€
22:38
mostly in terms of mindset, because I suddenly  realized that I could actually learn English.
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ไธปใซ่€ƒใˆๆ–นใฎ้ขใงใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ใจใ„ใ†ใฎใฏใ€ ๅฎŸ้š›ใซ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆในใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซ็ช็„ถๆฐ—ใฅใ„ใŸใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
22:43
Now, one thing that really happens with  most students who've never learned another  
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ใ•ใฆใ€ ไป–ใฎๅค–ๅ›ฝ่ชžใ‚’ใ†ใพใๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ—ใŸใ“ใจใŒใชใ„ใปใจใ‚“ใฉใฎ็”Ÿๅพ’ใซๅฎŸ้š›ใซ่ตทใ“ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฎ 1 ใคใฏใ€
22:48
foreign language successfully is that they  don't actually believe that they can do it.
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ๅฎŸ้š›ใซใฏ่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒใใ‚Œใ‚’็ฟ’ๅพ—ใงใใ‚‹ใจไฟกใ˜ใฆใ„ใชใ„ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
22:51
And this reminds me of the time when  at the ripe age of seven, I tried to.
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ใใ—ใฆใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ€ ็งใŒ 7 ๆญณใฎ็†Ÿใ—ใŸใจใใซใใ†ใ—ใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ—ใŸใจใใฎใ“ใจใ‚’ๆ€ใ„ๅ‡บใ•ใ›ใพใ™ใ€‚
22:56
I was a seat of a bike and I tried  to ride the bike for the first time.
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็งใฏ่‡ช่ปข่ปŠใฎๅบงๅธญใซๅบงใฃใฆใ„ใฆใ€ ๅˆใ‚ใฆ่‡ช่ปข่ปŠใซไน—ใ‚ใ†ใจใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
22:59
And I remember the frustration.
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ใใ—ใฆใใฎๆ‚”ใ—ใ•ใ‚’ๆ€ใ„ๅ‡บใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใใฎ
23:01
I ended up in tears that day  and my father telling me,  
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ๆ—ฅ็งใฏ็ตๅฑ€ๆถ™ใ‚’ๆตใ—ใฆใ—ใพใ„ใพใ—ใŸ ใŒใ€็ˆถใฏ็งใซใ€ใ€Œ
23:03
just be patient and you will  learn how to ride the bike.
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่พ›ๆŠฑใ—ใชใ•ใ„ใ€ใใ†ใ™ใ‚Œใฐ ่‡ช่ปข่ปŠใฎไน—ใ‚Šๆ–นใ‚’ๅญฆในใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€ใจ่จ€ใฃใฆใใ‚Œใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
23:07
Then when that magically happened, after  a few days of trying, I started believing  
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ใใ‚ŒใŒ้ญ”ๆณ•ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่ตทใ“ใ‚Šใ€ ๆ•ฐๆ—ฅ้–“่ฉฆใ—ใŸๅพŒใ€็งใฏ
23:12
that I could actually ride a bike  and then I started riding a bike.
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ๅฎŸ้š›ใซ่‡ช่ปข่ปŠใซไน—ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใจไฟกใ˜ๅง‹ใ‚ ใ€่‡ช่ปข่ปŠใซไน—ใ‚Šๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆใถใชใฉใฎใ‚นใ‚ญใƒซใ‚’
23:16
Same thing happens when we acquire  a skill like learning a language.
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็ฟ’ๅพ—ใ™ใ‚‹ใจใใซใ‚‚ใ€ๅŒใ˜ใ“ใจใŒ่ตทใ“ใ‚Šใพใ™ ใ€‚
23:20
Until you've reached fluency in a language,  
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่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๆตๆšขใซ่ฉฑใ›ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚‹ใพใงใฏใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใฏใพใ ๅๅˆ†ใงใฏใชใ„ใฎใงใฏ
23:23
there's always this nagging thought that maybe  you're not good enough, that maybe you don't.
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ใชใ„ใ‹ใ€่ƒฝๅŠ›ใŒใชใ„ใฎใงใฏใชใ„ใ‹ใจใ„ใ†่€ƒใˆใŒๅธธใซใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ ใ€‚
23:27
You're you were not bitten by the polyglot bug or  
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๅคš่จ€่ชžใฎใƒใ‚ฐใซๅ™›ใพใ‚ŒใŸใ‚Šใ€ๆ‰่ƒฝใŒใชใ„ใ“ใจใ‚’
23:30
blessed by the gods or the language  gods that you don't have talent.
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็ฅžใ‚„่จ€่ชžใฎ็ฅžใซ็ฅ็ฆใ•ใ‚ŒใŸใ‚Šใ—ใŸใ‚ใ‘ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
23:34
So the reality is that every single person  on this planet can learn a foreign language,  
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€็พๅฎŸใซใฏใ€ ใ“ใฎๅœฐ็ƒไธŠใฎใ™ในใฆใฎไบบใŒใ€ใ™ใงใซๆฏๅ›ฝ่ชžใ‚’ๆตๆšขใซ่ฉฑใ›ใ‚Œใฐใ€ๅค–ๅ›ฝ่ชžใ€
23:39
any foreign language for that matter, if they  already speak their own native language fluently.
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ใ•ใ‚‰ใซ่จ€ใˆใฐใ€ใฉใ‚“ใชๅค–ๅ›ฝ่ชžใงใ‚‚ๅญฆใถใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ ใ€‚
23:44
The problem is that unfortunately,  within the education system,  
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ๅ•้กŒใฏใ€ๆฎ‹ๅฟตใชใ“ใจใซใ€ ๆ•™่‚ฒๅˆถๅบฆใฎไธญใงใ€
23:49
the education system is kind of, we  have it backwards, unfortunately.
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ๆ•™่‚ฒๅˆถๅบฆใฏใ‚ใ‚‹็จฎใ€ ้€†ๅ‘ใใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
23:53
So people tend to learn in a very  inefficient way, and they tend to  
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ใใฎใŸใ‚ใ€ไบบใ€…ใฏ้žๅธธใซ้žๅŠน็Ž‡็š„ใชๆ–นๆณ•ใงๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ™ใ‚‹ๅ‚พๅ‘ใŒใ‚ใ‚Š ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ
23:57
conclude they come to the conclusion that it's  their fault, that they're not good enough.
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎใ›ใ„ใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒๅๅˆ†ใงใฏใชใ„ใจใ„ใ†็ต่ซ–ใซ้”ใ™ใ‚‹ๅ‚พๅ‘ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
24:02
How many times do we have these limiting beliefs?
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็งใŸใกใฏใ“ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชๅˆถ้™็š„ใชไฟกๅฟตใ‚’ไฝ•ๅบฆๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹?
24:04
So I think that what really changed for  me was the fact that I started believing,  
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€็งใซใจใฃใฆๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅค‰ใ‚ใฃใŸใฎใฏใ€ใ‚นใƒผใ‚ถใƒณใŒๆŠ€่ก“้ขใงใ“ใฎ้ฉๅ‘ฝใ‚’ใ‚‚ใŸใ‚‰ใ—ใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ ็งใ‚‚ไฟกใ˜ๅง‹ใ‚ใŸใจใ„ใ†ไบ‹ๅฎŸใ ใฃใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
24:10
like Susan brought about this  revolution in terms of techniques.
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24:15
Yes, that was important also to  discover, you know, the joy of learning.
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ใฏใ„ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏๅญฆใถใ“ใจใฎๅ–œใณใ‚’็™บ่ฆ‹ใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซใ‚‚้‡่ฆใงใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
24:20
But I think the real shift was psychological  more than technical, so to speak.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ๆœฌๅฝ“ใฎๅค‰ๅŒ–ใฏใ€ ใ„ใ‚ใฐๆŠ€่ก“็š„ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใฏใชใใ€ๅฟƒ็†็š„ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ ใฃใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
24:24
And then but but then you know the  combination of the psychological  
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใใฎๅพŒใ€ ๅฟƒ็†็š„ใช
24:28
change and the adopting techniques and  strategies and activities that I really like,  
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ๅค‰ๅŒ–ใจใ€็ง ใŒๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅฅฝใใชใƒ†ใ‚ฏใƒ‹ใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚„ๆˆฆ็•ฅใ‚„ๆดปๅ‹•ใฎ็ต„ใฟๅˆใ‚ใ›ใŒใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
24:36
you know, this combination  was work wonders for me.
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ใ“ใฎ็ต„ใฟๅˆใ‚ใ›ใฏใ€ ็งใซใจใฃใฆ้ฉš็•ฐ็š„ใชไป•ไบ‹ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
24:39
That's the real difference, you know.
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ใใ‚ŒใŒๆœฌๅฝ“ใฎ้•ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
24:41
Game changer, as they say.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒ่จ€ใ†ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใƒใ‚งใƒณใ‚ธใƒฃใƒผใ€‚ ็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใ‹ใ‚‰
24:43
I'm happy you mentioned that because  I do receive a lot of comments,  
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ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎใ‚ณใƒกใƒณใƒˆใ‚„ใƒกใƒผใƒซใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ๅ–ใ‚Šใพใ™ใŒใ€็”Ÿๅพ’
24:47
emails from students and they're just frustrated.
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ใŸใกใฏใŸใ ใ‚คใƒฉใ‚คใƒฉใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใชใฎใงใ€ใใฎใ“ใจใ‚’่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใŸใ ใ‘ใฆใ†ใ‚Œใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
24:51
They say, Jennifer, I've been learning  English for 10 years, 15 years.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ€Œใ‚ธใ‚งใƒ‹ใƒ•ใ‚กใƒผใ€็งใฏ 10 ๅนดใ€15 ๅนด่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ๅ‹‰ๅผทใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€ใจ่จ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
24:55
I've been living in North America for 25 years  and I'm still struggling with my English.
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็งใฏๅŒ—็ฑณใซ 25 ๅนด้–“ไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€ ใ„ใพใ ใซ่‹ฑ่ชžใŒ่‹ฆๆ‰‹ใงใ™ใ€‚
25:02
And I can tell there's a lot of  frustration in those messages I get.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ ็งใŒๅ—ใ‘ๅ–ใ‚‹ใƒกใƒƒใ‚ปใƒผใ‚ธใซใฏๅคšใใฎใƒ•ใƒฉใ‚นใƒˆใƒฌใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใŒๅซใพใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
25:07
So how can these students change that belief if  they've had it for 1015 years or even longer?
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ใงใฏใ€1,015 ๅนดไปฅไธŠใซใ‚ใŸใฃใฆใใฎไฟกๅฟตใ‚’ๆŠฑใ„ใฆใใŸๅญฆ็”ŸใŸใกใฏใ€ใฉใ†ใ™ใ‚Œใฐใใฎไฟกๅฟตใ‚’ๅค‰ใˆใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹ ?
25:15
Do you have any advice for them?
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใซไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚ขใƒ‰ใƒใ‚คใ‚นใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
25:18
So first of all, I believe that we all have  
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ใพใš็ฌฌไธ€ใซใ€็งใŸใกใฏ็š†ใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใซใงใใ‚‹ใ“ใจใจใงใใชใ„ใ“ใจใซใคใ„ใฆใ€ๅˆถ้™็š„ใชไฟกๅฟตใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
25:21
limiting beliefs about what  we can do and we cannot do.
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25:24
But the past does not have to define  our future in the sense that yes,  
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€้ŽๅŽปใŒ ็งใŸใกใฎๆœชๆฅใ‚’ๅฎš็พฉใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚็ขบใ‹ใซใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใซ
25:28
it did, it did happen, like you've maybe you  still finding it difficult to speak English  
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่ตทใ“ใฃใŸใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใซ่ตทใ“ใฃใŸใจใ„ใ†ๆ„ๅ‘ณใงใ™ใ€‚ใ‚ใชใŸใ‚‚ใŠใใ‚‰ใใ€
25:34
even if you live in the United States or  England or any English speaking country.
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็ฑณๅ›ฝใ‚„ ่‹ฑๅ›ฝใ€ใใฎไป–ใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžๅœใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใฆใ‚‚ใ€ใพใ ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ใฎใŒ้›ฃใ—ใ„ใจๆ„Ÿใ˜ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚ ๅ›ฝใ€‚ ใ—ใ‹ใ—็งใฏใ€
25:39
I do believe though that first of all, it doesn't  matter where you live, it matters how you live.
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ใพใš็ฌฌไธ€ใซใ€ ใฉใ“ใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฏๅ•้กŒใงใฏใชใใ€ใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ็”Ÿใใ‚‹ใ‹ใŒ้‡่ฆใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใจไฟกใ˜ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
25:44
If you take for example two students,  
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ใŸใจใˆใฐใ€2 ไบบใฎๅญฆ็”ŸใŒใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚1 ไบบใฏ
25:46
one who lives in the United States and  let's say a Spanish speaking student,  
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็ฑณๅ›ฝใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใฆใ€1 ไบบใฏ ใ‚นใƒšใ‚คใƒณ่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ๅญฆ็”Ÿใงใ™ใ€‚1
25:51
One lives in the United States but always hangs  around with other Spanish speaking people.
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ไบบใฏ็ฑณๅ›ฝใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€ๅธธใซ ไป–ใฎใ‚นใƒšใ‚คใƒณ่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ไบบใ€…ใจ้Šใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
25:57
Or when they try to learn English, they  get into the same old paradigm of I'm not  
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ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ„ใฏใ€่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆใผใ†ใจใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ€
26:02
sure I can actually learn, they stumble  upon their words, et cetera, et cetera.
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ๅฎŸ้š›ใซๅญฆในใ‚‹ใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ€่จ€่‘‰ใซใคใพใฅใ„ใฆใ—ใพใ† ใชใฉใ€ๅŒใ˜ๅคใ„ใƒ‘ใƒฉใƒ€ใ‚คใƒ ใซ้™ฅใฃใฆใ—ใพใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
26:05
And then you take another student who does not  
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ใใ—ใฆใ€
26:08
live in the United States or any  other English speaking country.
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็ฑณๅ›ฝใ‚„ ใใฎไป–ใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžๅœใฎๅ›ฝใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใชใ„ๅˆฅใฎ็”Ÿๅพ’ใ‚’้€ฃใ‚Œใฆ่กŒใใพใ™ใ€‚
26:12
But then they spend time listening to podcasts  or like talk, having interesting conversations,  
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใใฎๅพŒใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใƒใƒƒใƒ‰ใ‚ญใƒฃใ‚นใƒˆใ‚’่žใ„ใŸใ‚Šใ€ ใƒˆใƒผใ‚ฏใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’่žใ„ใŸใ‚Šใ€่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ไผš่ฉฑใ‚’ใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ€
26:16
maybe on Skype or even meeting English speaking,  
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ๅ ดๅˆใซใ‚ˆใฃใฆใฏ Skype ใงๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’้Žใ”ใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ€่จ€่ชžไบคๆ›ใฎใŸใ‚ใซ่ง’ใ‚’ๆ›ฒใŒใฃใŸใƒใƒผใง่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ใƒใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใฎไบบใซไผšใฃใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Š
26:20
you know, natives in a bar around  the corner in a language exchange.
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ใพใ™ ใ€‚
26:26
So first of all, it's how you live, not  where and if, if, then how you live.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ใพใš็ฌฌไธ€ใซใ€ใฉใ“ใงใ€ใ‚‚ใ— ใ€ใ‚‚ใ—ใ€ใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ็”Ÿใใ‚‹ใ‹ใงใฏใชใใ€ใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ็”Ÿใใ‚‹ใ‹ใŒ้‡่ฆใงใ™ใ€‚
26:31
You know what you do in your everyday life,  and on top of that you also live in country.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๆ—ฅๅธธ็”Ÿๆดปใงไฝ•ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚’็ŸฅใฃใฆใŠใ‚Šใ€ใใ‚Œใซ ๅŠ ใˆใฆ็”ฐ่ˆŽใซใ‚‚ไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
26:37
So you live in the UK or the US.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใ‚คใ‚ฎใƒชใ‚นใ‹ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใญใ€‚
26:39
That's a great combination.
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็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„็ต„ใฟๅˆใ‚ใ›ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
26:40
But first of all, you have to learn  how to use your time properly.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใพใšๆœ€ๅˆใซใ€ ๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’้ฉๅˆ‡ใซไฝฟใ†ๆ–นๆณ•ใ‚’ๅญฆใฐใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
26:44
That's the very first thing.
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ใใ‚ŒใŒไธ€็•ชๆœ€ๅˆใฎใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
26:45
The second thing I would say is that, again,  the fact that you learned poorly before or  
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2 ็•ช็›ฎใซ่จ€ใ„ใŸใ„ใฎใฏใ€็นฐใ‚Š่ฟ”ใ—ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใŒใ€ ไปฅๅ‰ใฎๅญฆ็ฟ’ใฎไป•ๆ–นใŒๆ‚ชใ‹ใฃใŸใ€ใพใŸใฏ
26:50
inefficiently before does not mean that you  have to learn poorly for the rest of your life.
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ไปฅๅ‰ใฎๅญฆ็ฟ’ใฎๅŠน็Ž‡ใŒๆ‚ชใ‹ใฃใŸใ‹ใ‚‰ใจใ„ใฃใฆใ€ ๆฎ‹ใ‚Šใฎไบบ็”Ÿใงๅญฆ็ฟ’ใฎไป•ๆ–นใŒๆ‚ชใ‹ใฃใŸใจใ„ใ†ๆ„ๅ‘ณใงใฏใชใ„ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
26:55
There's always like, what?
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ใ„ใคใ‚‚ใ€ใ€Œไฝ•๏ผŸใ€ใฃใฆๆ„Ÿใ˜ใงใ™ใ€‚
26:57
When is the best time to learn  better, more efficiently?
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ใ‚ˆใ‚Š่‰ฏใใ€ใ‚ˆใ‚ŠๅŠน็Ž‡็š„ใซๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใซๆœ€้ฉใชๆ™‚ๆœŸใฏใ„ใคใงใ™ใ‹? ้›ชใŒ
27:01
It's now.
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้™ใ‚‹ใ€‚
27:02
Doesn't matter how old you are.
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ไฝ•ๆญณใงใ‚‚ๆง‹ใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
27:03
Some people say I'm all 40, I'm 50.
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็งใฏใ‚‚ใ† 40 ๆญณใ€็งใฏ 50 ๆญณใ ใจ่จ€ใ†ไบบใ‚‚ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ไธŠๆ‰‹ใซ่ฉฑใ—ใŸใ„ใชใ‚‰ใ€10 ไปฃใฎใ†ใกใซ
27:06
You have to learn a language, a foreign language,  
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่จ€่ชžใ€ๅค–ๅ›ฝ่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆใฐใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“
27:08
when you're in your teens if  you want to speak well, it does.
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27:11
It's not true.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็œŸๅฎŸใงใฏใชใ„ใ€‚
27:12
I recently heard a story of someone  who's learned a foreign language in  
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ๆœ€่ฟ‘ใ€60 ไปฃ ใงๅค–ๅ›ฝ่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ—ใ€
27:15
their 60s and learned a foreign  language well within three years.
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3 ๅนดไปฅๅ†…ใซๅค–ๅ›ฝ่ชžใ‚’ไธŠๆ‰‹ใซ็ฟ’ๅพ—ใ—ใŸไบบใฎ่ฉฑใ‚’่žใใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
27:20
So recently at my language running Academy, an  80 year old girl sent me a message, said Luca.
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ใใ‚Œใงๆœ€่ฟ‘ใ€็งใŒ้‹ๅ–ถใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹่ชžๅญฆใ‚ขใ‚ซใƒ‡ใƒŸใƒผใงใ€ 80ๆญณใฎๅฅณใฎๅญใŒ็งใซใƒกใƒƒใ‚ปใƒผใ‚ธใ‚’้€ใฃใฆใใŸใ€ใจใƒซใ‚ซใ•ใ‚“ใฏ่จ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ็งใฏ
27:26
Until I was 80 I could not speak Spanish and now I  
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80 ๆญณใซใชใ‚‹ใพใงใ‚นใƒšใ‚คใƒณ่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใŒใ€ไปŠใงใฏๆ•ฐใ‹ๆœˆ
27:29
speak Spanish fluently in a matter  of months, so it's never too old.
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ใงใ‚นใƒšใ‚คใƒณ่ชžใ‚’ๆตๆšขใซ่ฉฑใ›ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใใ‚Œใฏๆฑบใ—ใฆๅคใ„ใ“ใจใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
27:35
The third thing is I believe that the main reason  why a lot of people, including people who live in  
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3 ใค็›ฎใฏใ€็ฑณๅ›ฝใ‚„่‹ฑๅ›ฝใชใฉใซ ไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ไบบใ‚’ๅซใ‚€ๅคšใใฎไบบใŒใ†ใพใ
27:42
the US or live in in the UK or whatever, they do  not speak well comes from a number of factors.
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่ฉฑใ›ใชใ„ไธปใช็†็”ฑใฏใ€ใ•ใพใ–ใพใช่ฆๅ› ใซใ‚ˆใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใ ใจ็งใฏ่€ƒใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
27:49
The 1st is the the belief that they're not good at  
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1 ใค็›ฎใฏใ€
27:53
language learning or they're  not good at learning English.
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่จ€่ชžๅญฆ็ฟ’ใŒๅพ—ๆ„ใงใฏใชใ„ใ€ใพใŸใฏ ่‹ฑ่ชžๅญฆ็ฟ’ใŒ่‹ฆๆ‰‹ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ๆ€ใ„่พผใฟใงใ™ใ€‚
27:55
That's the first thing.
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ใใ‚ŒใŒ็ฌฌไธ€ใงใ™ใ€‚
27:56
The second thing is that maybe they don't listen  or they don't speak enough, they tend to use  
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2 ใค็›ฎใฏใ€ใŠใใ‚‰ใๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ่ฉฑใ‚’่žใ„ใฆใ„ใชใ„ใ€ ใพใŸใฏๅๅˆ†ใซ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใชใ„ใ€ๅŒใ˜ใƒ†ใ‚ฏใƒ‹ใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚’ไฝฟ็”จใ™ใ‚‹ๅ‚พๅ‘ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ€
28:03
the same techniques or they tend to stick to the  same paradigms of of what they used to do before.
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ใพใŸใฏ ไปฅๅ‰ใซ่กŒใฃใฆใ„ใŸใ“ใจใจๅŒใ˜ใƒ‘ใƒฉใƒ€ใ‚คใƒ ใซๅ›บๅŸทใ™ใ‚‹ๅ‚พๅ‘ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
28:10
Meaning, maybe they speak a little  bit, but they're a little bit timid,  
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏๅฐ‘ใ—ใฏ่ฉฑใ›ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ ใŒใ€ๅฐ‘ใ—่‡†็—…ใงใ™ใ€ๅฐ‘ใ—
28:13
they're a little bit shy and  maybe they don't listen enough,  
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ๆฅใšใ‹ใ—ใŒใ‚Šๅฑ‹ใงใ€ ๅๅˆ†ใซ่žใ„ใฆใ„ใชใ„ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€
28:17
they don't watch movies, they  don't get immersed in the language.
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ๆ˜ ็”ปใฏ่ฆ‹ใšใ€ ่จ€่ชžใซๆฒก้ ญใ—ใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
28:19
We can talk about this a little bit  more in detail, but there's capital,  
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ใ“ใ‚Œใซใคใ„ใฆใฏใ‚‚ใ†ๅฐ‘ใ—่ฉณใ—ใใŠ่ฉฑใ—ใพใ™ใŒ ใ€
28:24
a very important things that people can have  to change if they want to learn a language.
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่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆใณใŸใ„ๅ ดๅˆใซๅค‰ๆ›ดใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹้žๅธธใซ้‡่ฆใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ‚ใ‚‹่ณ‡ๆœฌใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
28:28
Well, the good news is that nowadays with  the Internet, you can do anything you want.
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ๅนธใ„ใชใ“ใจใซใ€ไปŠๆ—ฅใงใฏ ใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒผใƒใƒƒใƒˆใฎใŠใ‹ใ’ใงใ€ใ‚„ใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใ“ใจใŒไฝ•ใงใ‚‚ใงใใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
28:34
If you learn how to use the Internet correctly.
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ใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒผใƒใƒƒใƒˆใฎๆญฃใ—ใ„ไฝฟใ„ๆ–นใ‚’ๅญฆในใฐใ€‚
28:36
Instead of getting in, like getting sucked  in the rabbit hole of, you know, spending  
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ใ‚ฆใ‚ตใ‚ฎใฎ็ฉดใซๅธใ„่พผใพใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€
28:41
time scrolling the whole day, you can do, you can  engage in meaningful activities learning English.
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ไธ€ๆ—ฅไธญใ‚นใ‚ฏใƒญใƒผใƒซใ—ใฆๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’่ฒปใ‚„ใ™ไปฃใ‚ใ‚Šใซใ€ ่‹ฑ่ชžๅญฆ็ฟ’ใฎๆœ‰ๆ„็พฉใชๆดปๅ‹•ใซๅ–ใ‚Š็ต„ใ‚€ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
28:47
So these are the three important things that  you have to take into account that explain why  
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ไปฅไธŠ
28:52
a lot of people do not speak English well, even  if they live in the in, you know, in the US.
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ใŒใ€็ฑณๅ›ฝใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใซใ‚‚ใ‹ใ‹ใ‚ใ‚‰ใšใ€ๅคšใใฎไบบใŒ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ไธŠๆ‰‹ใซ่ฉฑใ›ใชใ„็†็”ฑใ‚’่ชฌๆ˜Žใ™ใ‚‹ใ€่€ƒๆ…ฎใ™ในใ 3 ใคใฎ้‡่ฆใช็‚นใงใ™ใ€‚
28:58
Well, it's very inspiring that you mentioned that  woman who's 80 years old and got amazing results.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„็ตๆžœใ‚’ๅ‡บใ—ใŸ 80 ๆญณใฎๅฅณๆ€งใฎใ“ใจใ‚’ใŠใฃใ—ใ‚ƒใฃใฆใ„ใฆใ€ใจใฆใ‚‚ๆ„Ÿ้Š˜ใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€
29:04
Because I know that of course is one of the  
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29:06
limiting beliefs students  have is, oh, I'm too old.
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็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใŒๆŒใคๅˆถ้™็š„ใชไฟกๅฟตใฎ 1 ใคใฏ ใ€ใ€Œใ‚ใ‚ใ€็งใฏๅนดใ‚’ใจใ‚Šใ™ใŽใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ€ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใ ใจใ‚ใ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
29:10
I don't have enough time.
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ๆ™‚้–“ใŒ่ถณใ‚Šใชใ„ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
29:11
You hear these beliefs again and again.
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ใ“ใ†ใ—ใŸไฟกๅฟตใ‚’ไฝ•ๅบฆใ‚‚่€ณใซใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
29:14
Now Speaking of mindset, one of the mindset  factors I hear from students a lot is just fear.
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ใ•ใฆใ€ใƒžใ‚คใƒณใƒ‰ใ‚ปใƒƒใƒˆใซใคใ„ใฆ่จ€ใˆใฐใ€ ็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใ‹ใ‚‰ใ‚ˆใ่žใใƒžใ‚คใƒณใƒ‰ใ‚ปใƒƒใƒˆใฎ่ฆๅ› ใฎ 1 ใคใฏใ€ใพใ•ใซๆๆ€–ใงใ™ใ€‚
29:21
This fear of making mistakes, this fear  of being judged, and it prevents them  
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้–“้•ใ„ใ‚’็Šฏใ™ใ“ใจใธใฎๆๆ€–ใ€ ๅˆคๆ–ญใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใธใฎๆๆ€–ใŒใ€
29:28
from actually going out there and  using their English in the real world.
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ๅฎŸ้š›ใซๅค–ใซๅ‡บใฆ ็พๅฎŸใฎไธ–็•Œใง่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ไฝฟใ†ใ“ใจใ‚’ๅฆจใ’ใพใ™ใ€‚
29:32
So they spend all their time  studying, acquiring vocabulary,  
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ใใฎใŸใ‚ใ€ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ‚„่ชžๅฝ™ใฎ็ฟ’ๅพ—ใซใ™ในใฆใฎๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’่ฒปใ‚„ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™
29:37
but then they don't have the  confidence to actually use it.
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ใŒใ€ ๅฎŸ้š›ใซใใ‚Œใ‚’ไฝฟ็”จใ™ใ‚‹่‡ชไฟกใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
29:42
Have you experienced that with  yourself or your students?
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ใ‚ใชใŸ่‡ช่บซใ‚„ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใซๅฏพใ—ใฆใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใช็ตŒ้จ“ใ‚’ใ—ใŸใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹ ?
29:44
And what advice would you share?
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ใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚ขใƒ‰ใƒใ‚คใ‚นใ‚’ใ„ใŸใ ใ‘ใพใ™ใ‹?
29:46
So let me first tell you that  this is a very human being,  
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ๆœ€ๅˆใซ่จ€ใฃใฆใŠใใพใ™ใŒใ€ ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ้žๅธธใซไบบ้–“็š„ใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€
29:50
a human thing, to be scared of, you  know, getting out of your comfort zone.
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ไบบ้–“ใฎ่กŒ็‚บใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ ๅฟซ้ฉใ‚พใƒผใƒณใ‹ใ‚‰ๅ‡บใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๆใ‚Œใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
29:54
When we, when we get out of our  comfort zone, we're always scared.
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็งใŸใกใฏใ€ใ‚ณใƒณใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒผใƒˆใ‚พใƒผใƒณใ‹ใ‚‰ๅ‡บใ‚‹ใจใ ใ€ๅธธใซๆๆ€–ใ‚’ๆ„Ÿใ˜ใพใ™ใ€‚
29:58
That's the first thing.
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ใใ‚ŒใŒ็ฌฌไธ€ใงใ™ใ€‚
29:59
So it's completely, completely normal  to be scared or slightly anxious about  
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ใƒใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ– ใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ซใƒผใจไผš่ฉฑใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใจใ„ใ†ไบ‹ๅฎŸ ใ ใ‘ใงใ€ๆๆ€–ใ‚’ๆ„Ÿใ˜ใŸใ‚Šใ€ใ‚ใšใ‹ใซไธๅฎ‰ใ‚’ๆ„Ÿใ˜ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใฏใ€ใพใฃใŸใใ”ใๆ™ฎ้€šใฎใ“ใจใงใ™
30:05
the mere fact of having to have a  conversation with a native speaker.
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30:10
So that's that's the first  thing to take into account.
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ใใ‚ŒใŒๆœ€ๅˆใซ ่€ƒๆ…ฎใ™ในใใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
30:12
The second thing to take into account is  that I, I foresee like these three zones,  
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่€ƒๆ…ฎใ™ในใ 2 ็•ช็›ฎใฎใ“ใจใฏใ€ ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ 3 ใคใฎใ‚พใƒผใƒณใจๅŒๆง˜ใซใ€ๆœ€ๅˆ
30:19
you have the comfort zone at  the at the beginning, right?
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ใซใ‚ณใƒณใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒผใƒˆ ใ‚พใƒผใƒณใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจไบˆๆƒณใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
30:23
So that's where you stand where you're like  sitting in the corner, you're learning vocabulary,  
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ ้š…ใซๅบงใฃใฆ่ชžๅฝ™ใ‚’ๅญฆใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใงใ™
30:27
but you don't want to venture out there  and have you know talk to talk to people.
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ใŒใ€ใใ“ใซๅ†’้™บใ—ใฆ ไบบใ€…ใจ่ฉฑใ™ใ“ใจใ‚’ๆœ›ใ‚“ใงใ„ใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ†ใชๅ ดๆ‰€ใซ็ซ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
30:32
Then you have out like there's another  layer or zone around that zone,  
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ๆฌกใซใ€ใใฎใ‚พใƒผใƒณใฎๅ‘จๅ›ฒใซๅˆฅใฎๅฑคใพใŸใฏใ‚พใƒผใƒณใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๅค–ใซๅ‡บใพใ™ ใ€‚็งใฏ
30:36
which I call like it's called the Goldilocks zone.
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ใใ‚Œใ‚’ใ‚ดใƒซใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใƒญใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚นใ‚พใƒผใƒณใจๅ‘ผใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
30:40
So it's slightly challenging,  but it's not too challenging.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ๅฐ‘ใ—้›ฃใ—ใ„ใงใ™ ใŒใ€ใใ‚Œใปใฉ้›ฃใ—ใ„ใ“ใจใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
30:44
I'll give you a concrete example in a second.
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ใ™ใใซๅ…ทไฝ“็š„ใชไพ‹ใ‚’็คบใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
30:46
And then you have the panic zone.
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ใใ—ใฆใƒ‘ใƒ‹ใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚พใƒผใƒณใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
30:47
The panic zone is where you're completely  out of your comfort zone so far that it's  
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ใƒ‘ใƒ‹ใƒƒใ‚ฏ ใ‚พใƒผใƒณใจใฏใ€ ใ“ใ‚Œใพใงใฎใ‚ณใƒณใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒผใƒˆ ใ‚พใƒผใƒณใ‹ใ‚‰ๅฎŒๅ…จใซๅค–ใ‚Œใฆใ—ใพใฃใŸ็Šถๆ…‹ใงใ€
30:53
you panic because it's too difficult an example.
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ไพ‹ใŒ้›ฃใ—ใ™ใŽใฆใƒ‘ใƒ‹ใƒƒใ‚ฏใซใชใฃใฆใ—ใพใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
30:56
So your comfort zone is, let's say, whoever is  listening, if you're, you know, you're you've  
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ‚ณใƒณใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒผใƒˆ ใ‚พใƒผใƒณใฏใ€ใŸใจใˆใฐใ€ ่žใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไบบใŒ่ชฐใงใ‚ใ‚Œใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ
31:00
been learning a language for a little bit and  or for a long time for that matter, English.
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ๅฐ‘ใ—ใฎ้–“่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ—ใฆใŠใ‚Šใ€ ใ•ใ‚‰ใซ่จ€ใˆใฐใ€่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’้•ทๆœŸ้–“ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใงใ™ใ€‚
31:05
And you still find it difficult, you know, You  still tremble at the idea of speaking to someone,  
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใพใ ้›ฃใ—ใ„ใจๆ„Ÿใ˜ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ ใพใ ่ชฐใ‹ใจ่ฉฑใ™ใ“ใจใ‚’่€ƒใˆใ‚‹ใจ้œ‡ใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€
31:10
or you're interacting with someone, but you,  you, you get you, you know, you don't express  
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ใพใŸใฏ่ชฐใ‹ใจไบคๆตใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ
31:16
yourself smoothly because your mind goes blank  and you think, Oh my God, they're judging me.
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎๆฐ—ๆŒใกใ‚’ใ‚นใƒ ใƒผใ‚บใซ่กจ็พใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ้ ญใŒ็œŸใฃ็™ฝใซใชใ‚Šใ€ ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใชใ‚“ใฆใ“ใจใ ใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ็งใ‚’่ฃใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
31:21
I'm making mistakes.
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็งใฏ้–“้•ใ„ใ‚’็Šฏใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
31:22
You think about Rammer, all those  things that make it difficult.
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ใƒฉใƒณใƒžใƒผใฎใ“ใจใ‚’่€ƒใˆใ‚‹ใจใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒ ๅ›ฐ้›ฃใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
31:25
Then think about this.
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ๆฌกใซใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใซใคใ„ใฆ่€ƒใˆใฆใฟใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
31:27
Your comfort zone is sitting in front  of a computer and making maybe lists of  
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ‚ณใƒณใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒผใƒˆใ‚พใƒผใƒณใฏใ€ ใ‚ณใƒณใƒ”ใƒฅใƒผใ‚ฟใƒผใฎๅ‰ใซๅบงใฃใฆๅ˜่ชžใฎใƒชใ‚นใƒˆใ‚’ไฝœๆˆใ—ใŸใ‚Š
31:31
words or maybe watching something passively right.
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ใ€ๅ—ๅ‹•็š„ใซๆญฃใ—ใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’่ฆ‹ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
31:34
So that is an excuse of, oh, I'm engaging with the  language, but I'm not actually talking to people.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใ€ใ‚ใ‚ใ€็งใฏ่จ€่ชžใซๅ–ใ‚Š็ต„ใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ™ ใŒใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใซไบบใ€…ใจ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ใ‘ใงใฏใชใ„ใ€ใจใ„ใ†่จ€ใ„่จณใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
31:40
Then you have the goal, what  I call the Goldilocks zone.
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31:43
It's a good zone.
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31:44
It's a good zone to be in.
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31:46
And you tell yourself, OK,  I'm scared, fine, normal.
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ใใ—ใฆใ‚ใชใŸใฏ่‡ชๅˆ†ใซใ“ใ†่จ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€OKใ€ ็งใฏๆ€–ใ„ใ€ๅคงไธˆๅคซใ€ๆ™ฎ้€šใงใ™ใ€‚
31:49
But I could have, maybe I could hire a tutor,  
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ใงใ‚‚ใ€ไผš่ฉฑใŒใงใใ‚‹ใจใฆใ‚‚ๅ„ชใ—ใใฆใƒ•ใƒฌใƒณใƒ‰ใƒชใƒผใชๅฎถๅบญๆ•™ๅธซใ‚’้›‡ใ†ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใงใใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“
31:52
a very nice and friendly person with  whom I could have a conversation.
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ใ€‚ ่ชฐใ‹ใซ
31:56
It's a protected environment because  you're paying whether you're paying  
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ใŠ้‡‘ใ‚’ๆ‰•ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹
31:59
someone or you find someone, someone  you can have a conversation with.
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ใ€ไผš่ฉฑใงใใ‚‹่ชฐใ‹ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใŸใฎใ‹ใซ้–ขไฟ‚ใชใใ€ใŠ้‡‘ใ‚’ๆ‰•ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ใ“ใ“ใฏไฟ่ญทใ•ใ‚ŒใŸ็’ฐๅขƒใงใ™ใ€‚
32:03
Maybe on Skype, there is no background noise.
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ใŠใใ‚‰ใ Skype ใงใฏใƒใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚ฐใƒฉใ‚ฆใƒณใƒ‰ใƒŽใ‚คใ‚บใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
32:06
That person knows that you're a learner,  and then you can have a conversation.
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32:10
You can prepare beforehand about  a topic you're interested in,  
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ใซใคใ„ใฆไบ‹ๅ‰ใซๆบ–ๅ‚™ใ—ใฆใŠใใจใ€
32:13
and you can have a meaningful conversation.
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32:15
That's a Gray zone that you can get in a  Gray zone, but a good zone to be in so that  
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ€ใ‚ฐใƒฌใƒผใ‚พใƒผใƒณใฎไธญใซๅ…ฅใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใ‚ฐใƒฌใƒผใ‚พใƒผใƒณใงใ™ ใŒใ€
32:20
you can actually step out of your comfort  zone progressively have a conversation.
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ๅฎŸ้š›ใซใ‚ณใƒณใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒผใƒˆใ‚พใƒผใƒณใ‹ใ‚‰ๅพใ€…ใซๆŠœใ‘ๅ‡บใ—ใฆ ไผš่ฉฑใงใใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใซ้ฉใ—ใŸใ‚พใƒผใƒณใงใ™ใ€‚
32:25
You realize that was not a big deal.
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ใใ‚Œใฏๅคงใ—ใŸใ“ใจใงใฏใชใ‹ใฃใŸใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
32:28
The person was nice.
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ใใฎไบบใฏๅ„ชใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใงใ™ใ€‚
32:29
I stumbled and I grumbled a little bit,  but at the end of the day I made it.
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ใคใพใšใ„ใŸใ‚Šใ€ๅฐ‘ใ—ไธๅนณใ‚’่จ€ใฃใŸใ‚Šใ—ใพใ—ใŸ ใŒใ€ๆœ€็ต‚็š„ใซใฏใ‚„ใ‚Š้‚ใ’ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
32:33
And then you have the panic zone.
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ใใ—ใฆใƒ‘ใƒ‹ใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚พใƒผใƒณใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
32:34
The panic zone is where you get out  and say you go and buy something.
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ใƒ‘ใƒ‹ใƒƒใ‚ฏ ใ‚พใƒผใƒณใจใฏใ€ ไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’่ฒทใ„ใซ่กŒใใจ่จ€ใฃใฆใใ“ใ‹ใ‚‰ๆŠœใ‘ๅ‡บใ™ๅ ดๆ‰€ใงใ™ใ€‚
32:39
Let's say, I don't know, maybe a train ticket.
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32:42
You go to the station and unfortunately  you come across a very grumpy old lady  
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้ง…ใซ่กŒใใจใ€ๆฎ‹ๅฟตใชใ“ใจใซใ€ ้žๅธธใซไธๆฉŸๅซŒใใ†ใช่€ๅฉฆไบบ
32:48
or a guy we're not very happy  because of their own reasons.
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ใ‚„ใ€ ใใ‚Œใžใ‚Œใฎ็†็”ฑใงใ‚ใพใ‚Šๆฐ—ๅˆ†ใŒ่‰ฏใใชใ„็”ทๆ€งใซ้ญ้‡ใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
32:52
And then they blurt out  something you do not understand.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ็†่งฃใงใใชใ„ใ“ใจใ‚’ๅฃ่ตฐใฃใฆใ—ใพใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
32:55
And you find yourself in that situation  where, oh Oh my gosh, what do I do?
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ใใ—ใฆใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ€ใ€Œ ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใชใ‚“ใฆใ“ใจใ ใ€ใฉใ†ใ™ใ‚Œใฐใ„ใ„ใฎ๏ผŸใ€ใจใ„ใ†็Šถๆณใซ้™ฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซๆฐ—ใฅใใพใ™ใ€‚
32:59
Do I reply that I do not understand and like,  look like a fool, or do I nod and I pretend that  
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็งใฏ็†่งฃใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€ๅฅฝใใ ใจ็ญ”ใˆใพใ™ใ‹ใ€ ๆ„šใ‹่€…ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่ฆ‹ใˆใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹ใ€ใใ‚Œใจใ‚‚ใ†ใชใšใใ€
33:05
I understand These are not easy situations because  we think, oh, you just have to buy a ticket.
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็†่งฃใ—ใŸใตใ‚Šใ‚’ใ—ใพใ™ใ‹ ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฏ็ฐกๅ˜ใช็Šถๆณใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€ใชใœใชใ‚‰ ็งใŸใกใฏใ€Œใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใƒใ‚ฑใƒƒใƒˆใ‚’่ฒทใˆใฐใ„ใ„ใ ใ‘ใ ใ€ใจๆ€ใ†ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
33:10
But in real life conversations and interactions,  native speakers are not your teachers.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใฎไผš่ฉฑใ‚„ใ‚„ใ‚Šๅ–ใ‚Šใงใฏใ€ ใƒใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ– ใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ซใƒผใฏๆ•™ๅธซใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
33:15
They go about their own business.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎไป•ไบ‹ใ‚’้€ฒใ‚ใพใ™ใ€‚
33:17
That's the reason why that's a panic zone.
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ใใ‚ŒใŒใƒ‘ใƒ‹ใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚พใƒผใƒณใงใ‚ใ‚‹็†็”ฑใงใ™ใ€‚
33:19
So my simple advice is try  to build your comfort zone.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€็งใฎ็ฐกๅ˜ใชใ‚ขใƒ‰ใƒใ‚คใ‚นใฏใ€ ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎใ‚ณใƒณใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒผใƒˆใ‚พใƒผใƒณใ‚’ๆง‹็ฏ‰ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซๅŠชใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
33:24
If you're scared of speaking, the one  thing that you have to think about  
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่ฉฑใ™ใฎใŒๆ€–ใ„ๅ ดๅˆใ€ ่€ƒใˆใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ“ใจใฎ 1 ใคใฏใ€
33:28
is to find a situation where you find  some comfort a person who's friendly.
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ใƒ•ใƒฌใƒณใƒ‰ใƒชใƒผใชไบบใซๆ…ฐใ‚ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใ‚‹็Šถๆณใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
33:35
Not necessarily competent, but friendly.
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ๅฟ…ใšใ—ใ‚‚ๆœ‰่ƒฝใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€ใƒ•ใƒฌใƒณใƒ‰ใƒชใƒผใงใ™ใ€‚
33:38
Let me say this again, because  this is very important.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ้žๅธธใซ้‡่ฆใชใฎใงใ€ใ‚‚ใ†ไธ€ๅบฆ่จ€ใ‚ใ›ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
33:40
People tend to think that when they have to  prepare, prepare or just interact with someone,  
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ไบบใ€…ใฏใ€ ๆบ–ๅ‚™ใ€ๆบ–ๅ‚™ใ€ใพใŸใฏ่ชฐใ‹ใจใ‚„ใ‚Šๅ–ใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใ€่‹ฑ่ชžใฎๆ–‡ๆณ•ใ‚’่ฉณใ—ใ่ชฌๆ˜Žใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใ‚‹
33:46
they have to find a very competent person  who explains the English grammar in detail.
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้žๅธธใซๆœ‰่ƒฝใชไบบใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใจ่€ƒใˆใ‚‹ๅ‚พๅ‘ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ ใ€‚
33:52
That's not true.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็œŸๅฎŸใงใฏใชใ„ใ€‚
33:53
You need someone to talk to.
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่ฉฑใ—็›ธๆ‰‹ใŒๅฟ…่ฆใงใ™ใ€‚
33:54
That's the main point.
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ใใ‚ŒใŒไธป่ฆใชใƒใ‚คใƒณใƒˆใงใ™ใ€‚
33:56
That person will listen to you, will possibly  give you feedback for the mistakes you make,  
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ใใฎไบบใฏใ‚ใชใŸใฎ่ฉฑใ‚’่žใใ€ ้–“้•ใ„ใซใคใ„ใฆใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ‰ใƒใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚’ใใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“
34:00
but they don't have to explain  grammar to you in detail.
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ใŒใ€ๆ–‡ๆณ•ใ‚’่ฉณใ—ใ่ชฌๆ˜Žใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
34:03
Nowadays we have.
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ไปŠใงใฏใใ†ใชใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
34:04
You can do that if you want to, but the main goal  is to actually speak, to have a conversation.
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ๅฟ…่ฆใซๅฟœใ˜ใฆใใ‚Œใ‚’่กŒใ†ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใงใใพใ™ใŒใ€ไธปใช็›ฎๆจ™ใฏ ๅฎŸ้š›ใซ่ฉฑใ™ใ“ใจใ€ไผš่ฉฑใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
34:12
Fluency is not just a matter  of how many words you know,  
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ๆตๆšขใ•ใฏใ€ ใฉใ‚Œใ ใ‘ใฎๅ˜่ชžใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ€
34:16
how many grammar rules you know, or if whether  your pronunciation is good or accurate or not.
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ใฉใ‚Œใ ใ‘ใฎๆ–‡ๆณ•่ฆๅ‰‡ใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ€ใพใŸใฏ ็™บ้ŸณใŒ่‰ฏใ„ใ‹ๆญฃ็ขบใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹ใ ใ‘ใฎๅ•้กŒใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
34:22
It's a degree of confidence that you build  with experiences that you have and the first  
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใพใงใฎ็ตŒ้จ“ใซใ‚ˆใฃใฆ็ฏ‰ใ‹ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‚ใ‚‹็จ‹ๅบฆใฎ่‡ชไฟกใงใ‚ใ‚Š ใ€ไปŠๆ—ฅใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒผใƒใƒƒใƒˆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใงใงใใ‚‹ๆœ€ๅˆใฎ
34:29
experience you can have nowadays we  can, because we have the Internet,  
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็ตŒ้จ“ใฏใ€
34:32
is to have a conversation with someone that  you find friendly in a protected environment.
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ไฟ่ญทใ•ใ‚ŒใŸ็’ฐๅขƒใงใƒ•ใƒฌใƒณใƒ‰ใƒชใƒผใ ใจๆ€ใ†ไบบใจไผš่ฉฑใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
34:36
That's the first thing that I would do.
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ใใ‚ŒใŒ็งใŒๆœ€ๅˆใซใ‚„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
34:38
The second thing that I would do,  and that's maybe even more important,  
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็งใŒใ™ใ‚‹ 2 ็•ช็›ฎใฎใ“ใจใ€ ใใ—ใฆใŠใใ‚‰ใใใ‚Œใฏใ•ใ‚‰ใซ้‡่ฆใงใ™ใŒใ€
34:43
is this the reason why we tend to stumble, We  tend to think about grammar, Our mind goes blank,  
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ใ“ใ‚ŒใŒ็งใŸใกใŒใคใพใšใใŒใกใช็†็”ฑใงใ™ใ€็งใŸใกใฏ ๆ–‡ๆณ•ใซใคใ„ใฆ่€ƒใˆใ‚‹ๅ‚พๅ‘ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใ€้ ญใŒ็œŸใฃ็™ฝใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ
34:51
is due to something that, unfortunately,  we were all subjected to think about.
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ๆฎ‹ๅฟตใชใ“ใจใซใ€ ็งใŸใกๅ…จๅ“กใŒๅ—ใ‘ใŸไฝ•ใ‹ใŒๅŽŸๅ› ใงใ™ ใซใคใ„ใฆ่€ƒใˆใ‚‹ใ€‚
34:56
You're from the United States, I'm from Italy.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซๅ‡บ่บซใงใ™ใŒใ€็งใฏใ‚คใ‚ฟใƒชใ‚ขๅ‡บ่บซใงใ™ใ€‚
34:58
But all across the world, the  pattern is always the same.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ไธ–็•Œไธญใงใ€ ใƒ‘ใ‚ฟใƒผใƒณใฏๅธธใซๅŒใ˜ใงใ™ใ€‚
35:01
At school, we tend to think in terms of  performance, not in terms of communication.
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ๅญฆๆ กใงใฏใ€ใ‚ณใƒŸใƒฅใƒ‹ใ‚ฑใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใงใฏใชใใ€ใƒ‘ใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒผใƒžใƒณใ‚นใฎ่ฆณ็‚นใ‹ใ‚‰่€ƒใˆใ‚‹ๅ‚พๅ‘ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ ใ€‚
35:08
Children have a great time using foreign  languages because you learning their own  
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ๅญใฉใ‚‚ใŸใกใฏใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่‡ชๅˆ†ใŸใกใฎ
35:12
native language, because they  communicate, they have fun.
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ๆฏๅ›ฝ่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆใณใ€ ใ‚ณใƒŸใƒฅใƒ‹ใ‚ฑใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใ‚’ใจใ‚Šใ€ๆฅฝใ—ใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ๅค–ๅ›ฝ่ชžใ‚’ไฝฟใ†ใฎใŒๆฅฝใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
35:16
They just don't think, oh, I'll be judged.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใŸใ ใ€ใ€Œใ‚ใ‚ใ€็งใŒ่ฃใ‹ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ ใ‚ใ†ใ€ใจใฏ่€ƒใˆใฆใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
35:19
But adults or adults, what  happens is that they go to school,  
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ๅคงไบบใงใ‚‚ใ€ๅคงไบบใงใ‚‚ใ€ ๅญฆๆ กใซ้€šใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ€็งใŒ็‚นใ‚’
35:23
they constantly think I'm getting a  mark, am I going to get good mark?
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็ฒๅพ—ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๅธธใซ่€ƒใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ็งใฏ่‰ฏใ„็‚นใ‚’็ฒๅพ—ใงใใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹?
35:26
Am I going to get bad mark.
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ๆ‚ชใ„็‚นใŒไป˜ใใฎใ‹ใชใ€‚
35:27
So someone I don't know,  the teacher addresses you.
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€็งใฎ็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใชใ„่ชฐใ‹ใŒใ€ ๅ…ˆ็”ŸใŒใ‚ใชใŸใซ่ฉฑใ—ใ‹ใ‘ใพใ™ใ€‚
35:30
You're not thinking about AI mean.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏAIใฎๆ„ๅœฐๆ‚ชใซใคใ„ใฆ่€ƒใˆใฆใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
35:33
I want to talk about this because I'm so excited.
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ใจใฆใ‚‚่ˆˆๅฅฎใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ“ใฎใ“ใจใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
35:36
You're thinking, let me try to survive, you  know, let me try to say whatever I can say.
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็”Ÿใๆฎ‹ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ๅŠชๅŠ›ใ—ใฆใฟใ‚ˆใ†ใ€ ่จ€ใˆใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏไฝ•ใงใ‚‚่จ€ใฃใฆใฟใ‚ˆใ†ใ€ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
35:40
But thinking I have to  conjugate the verb correctly,  
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ๅ‹•่ฉžใ‚’ๆญฃใ—ใๆดป็”จใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใจ่€ƒใˆใ‚‹ใจ ใ€
35:43
I have to say this the, you  know, that's the problem.
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ใ“ใ‚ŒใŒๅ•้กŒใ ใจ่จ€ใ‚ใ–ใ‚‹ใ‚’ๅพ—ใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
35:46
And if you start focusing on communication  instead of performance, it changes everything.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใƒ‘ใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒผใƒžใƒณใ‚นใงใฏใชใใ‚ณใƒŸใƒฅใƒ‹ใ‚ฑใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใซ็„ฆ็‚นใ‚’ๅฝ“ใฆๅง‹ใ‚ใ‚Œใฐ ใ€ใ™ในใฆใŒๅค‰ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
35:51
So here's my piece of advice.
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ใใ“ใง็งใ‹ใ‚‰ใฎใ‚ขใƒ‰ใƒใ‚คใ‚นใงใ™ใ€‚
35:53
Whenever you have a conversation,  make sure that you prepare something,  
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ไผš่ฉฑใ™ใ‚‹ใจใใฏๅฟ…ใšใ€
35:56
a topic that you really like,  and just talk about that.
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅฅฝใใชใƒˆใƒ”ใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚’็”จๆ„ใ—ใฆใ€ ใใ‚Œใซใคใ„ใฆใ ใ‘่ฉฑใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
35:59
Get excited.
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ใ‚ใใ‚ใใซใชใ‚‹ใ€‚
36:00
It doesn't matter if you make mistakes or not.
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้–“้•ใ„ใ‚’็Šฏใ™ใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹ใฏ้–ขไฟ‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
36:02
The most important thing is  you get your point across.
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ๆœ€ใ‚‚้‡่ฆใชใ“ใจใฏใ€ ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎไธปๅผตใ‚’็†่งฃใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
36:05
If I told you for example in English I  tomorrow school you will understand perfectly.
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ใŸใจใˆใฐใ€่‹ฑ่ชžใงใ€Œ ๆ˜Žๆ—ฅใฏๅญฆๆ กใซ่กŒใใพใ™ใ€ใจ่จ€ใฃใŸใ‚‰ใ€ๅฎŒๅ…จใซ็†่งฃใงใใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚ ใ€Œ
36:13
I tomorrow to go to school  you will understand perfectly,  
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็งใฏๆ˜Žๆ—ฅๅญฆๆ กใซ่กŒใใพใ™ใ€ใฏใ€
36:17
even if it's not grammatically accurate.
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ใŸใจใˆๆ–‡ๆณ•็š„ใซๆญฃ็ขบใงใชใใฆใ‚‚ใ€ๅฎŒๅ…จใซ็†่งฃใงใใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
36:19
But it's better to say something and make  a mistake rather than not saying anything.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ ไฝ•ใ‚‚่จ€ใ‚ใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ‚Šใฏใ€ไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’่จ€ใฃใฆ้–“้•ใ„ใ‚’็Šฏใ™ๆ–นใŒ่‰ฏใ„ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
36:24
But this again you have to you have to understand  and be aware of the fact that the outcome police.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‚ใพใŸใ€ ็ตๆžœใŒๅทฆๅณใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ไบ‹ๅฎŸใ‚’็†่งฃใ—ใ€่ช่ญ˜ใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
36:30
It's like, oh, you made a mistake, is there.
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€้–“้•ใˆใŸใญใ€ใฟใŸใ„ใชใ€‚
36:33
If you change this, if you have experienced  this mind shift, not performance,  
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ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’ๅค‰ใˆใ‚‹ใจใ€ใƒ‘ใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒผใƒžใƒณใ‚นใงใฏใชใใ‚ณใƒŸใƒฅใƒ‹ใ‚ฑใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใงใ“ใฎใƒžใ‚คใƒณใƒ‰ใ‚ทใƒ•ใƒˆใ‚’็ตŒ้จ“ใ—ใŸใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Œใฐ
36:38
but communication, it changes everything.
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ใ€ใ™ในใฆใŒๅค‰ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
36:40
One last thing.
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ๆœ€ๅพŒใซไธ€ใคใ ใ‘ใ€‚
36:41
I know I'm rambling a little bit,  but I love this, I love this topic.
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ๅฐ‘ใ—ใจใ‚Šใจใ‚ใฎใชใ„่ฉฑใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใ‚ใ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ ใŒใ€็งใฏใ“ใฎใƒˆใƒ”ใƒƒใ‚ฏใŒๅคงๅฅฝใใงใ™ใ€‚
36:46
There is a beautiful Ted talk which is called  Teaching English without teaching English.
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่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ๆ•™ใˆใšใซ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ๆ•™ใˆใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใƒ†ใƒƒใƒ‰ใฎ่ฌ›ๆผ”ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
36:52
I think I I wrote it here somewhere.
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ใ“ใ“ใฎใฉใ“ใ‹ใซๆ›ธใ„ใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใชๆฐ—ใŒใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
36:54
It's called by Roberto Guzman.
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ใƒญใƒ™ใƒซใƒˆใƒปใ‚ฐใ‚นใƒžใƒณใจใ„ใ†ไบบใŒใใ†ๅ‘ผใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
36:56
He's a he's a Mexican guy who's teaching  Mexican kids to learn to to speak English.
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ๅฝผใฏใƒกใ‚ญใ‚ทใ‚ณไบบใงใ€ ใƒกใ‚ญใ‚ทใ‚ณใฎๅญไพ›ใŸใกใซ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ›ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซๆ•™ใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
37:01
Beautiful.
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็พŽใ—ใ„ใ€‚
37:02
It talks about all the stuff  in his own his own way.
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ใ‚ใ‚‰ใ‚†ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใคใ„ใฆ ๅฝผ่‡ช่บซใฎๆ–นๆณ•ใง่ชžใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
37:05
You know and and I think some these are universal  principles focus on communication and not outcome.
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ใ”ๅญ˜็ŸฅใฎใจใŠใ‚Šใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎ ๅŽŸๅ‰‡ใฎไธ€้ƒจใฏ็ตๆžœใงใฏใชใใ‚ณใƒŸใƒฅใƒ‹ใ‚ฑใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใซ็„ฆ็‚นใ‚’ๅฝ“ใฆใŸๆ™ฎ้็š„ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
37:12
You raised so many points.
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้žๅธธใซๅคšใใฎใƒใ‚คใƒณใƒˆใ‚’ไธŠใ’ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใƒซใ‚ซใฏ็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใซ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ‚ขใƒ‰ใƒใ‚คใ‚นใ‚’ใใ‚ŒใŸ
37:14
I hope everyone is paying attention because  Luca has given you all such amazing advice  
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ใฎใงใ€็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใŒๆณจ็›ฎใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’้ก˜ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
37:20
and this is something I've seen with my students.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ็งใ‚‚็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใซ่ฆ‹ใฆใใŸใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
37:23
They well, they think that when they're  communicating with a native speaker,  
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ€ ใƒใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ– ใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ซใƒผใจใ‚ณใƒŸใƒฅใƒ‹ใ‚ฑใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใ€
37:28
it's the same as communicating with their teacher.
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ๆ•™ๅธซใจใ‚ณใƒŸใƒฅใƒ‹ใ‚ฑใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใจๅŒใ˜ใ ใจ่€ƒใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
37:30
They expect to be assessed, judged, corrected.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ่ฉ•ไพกใ•ใ‚Œใ€ๅˆคๆ–ญใ•ใ‚Œใ€ไฟฎๆญฃใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๆœŸๅพ…ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
37:35
They think it's an appropriate time to think about  grammar, correct their mistakes, ask for feedback.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใ€ๆ–‡ๆณ•ใซใคใ„ใฆ่€ƒใˆใŸใ‚Š ใ€้–“้•ใ„ใ‚’ๆญฃใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ€ใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒ‰ใƒใƒƒใ‚ฏใ‚’ๆฑ‚ใ‚ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใซ้ฉๅˆ‡ใชๆ™‚ๆœŸใ ใจ่€ƒใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
37:40
When really you're just having a conversation,  it's not the appropriate time to do that.
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ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใŸใ ไผš่ฉฑใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใฏใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚’ ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใซ้ฉๅˆ‡ใชๆ™‚้–“ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
37:46
So I'm so glad that you  raised all their those points.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎ ็‚นใ‚’ใ™ในใฆๆŒ‡ๆ‘˜ใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใ ใ„ใŸใ“ใจใ‚’ใจใฆใ‚‚ใ†ใ‚Œใ—ใๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
37:49
And everyone watch that Ted talk as well.
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ใใ—ใฆใฟใ‚“ใชใ‚‚ใƒ†ใƒƒใƒ‰ใฎใƒˆใƒผใ‚ฏใ‚’่ฆณใพใ™ใ€‚
37:51
I will watch it myself.
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็งใ‚‚ใใ‚Œใ‚’่ฆ‹ใพใ™ใ€‚
37:52
I don't believe I have and you to talk  specifically about when students forget their  
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็”Ÿๅพ’ใŒ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ่จ€่‘‰ใ‚’ๅฟ˜ใ‚ŒใŸใ‚Š
38:00
words or their mind goes blank, it's because  they're entering out of that comfort zone.
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ใ€้ ญใŒ็œŸใฃ็™ฝใซใชใฃใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใจใใซใคใ„ใฆใ€็งใ‚„ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๅ…ทไฝ“็š„ใซ่ฉฑใ™ๅฟ…่ฆใฏใชใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚ใใ‚Œใฏใ€็”Ÿๅพ’ใŒใใฎๅฟซ้ฉใ‚พใƒผใƒณใ‹ใ‚‰ๅ‡บใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
38:05
So it's just more of a natural thing.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใใ‚Œใฏใ‚€ใ—ใ‚่‡ช็„ถใชใ“ใจใชใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
38:07
But I wanted to know if you could  expand on that at all or give any  
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€
38:11
more specific advice because this is one  thing that my students ask a lot about.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใ‹ใ‚‰ใ‚ˆใ่žใ‹ใ‚Œใ‚‹ไบ‹ๆŸ„ใฎ 1 ใคใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใ€ใใ‚Œใซใคใ„ใฆๅฐ‘ใ—ใงใ‚‚่ฉณใ—ใ่ชฌๆ˜Žใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใ ใ‘ใชใ„ใ‹ใ€ใพใŸใฏใ‚ˆใ‚Šๅ…ทไฝ“็š„ใชใ‚ขใƒ‰ใƒใ‚คใ‚นใ‚’ใ„ใŸใ ใ‘ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹ใ‚’็Ÿฅใ‚ŠใŸใ‹ใฃใŸใฎใงใ™ ใ€‚
38:17
I I know the words, I studied this, I know it.
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็งใฏใใฎ่จ€่‘‰ใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€็งใฏใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’ๅ‹‰ๅผทใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€ใใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใ‚’็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
38:21
But then when I'm in the situation,  I open my mouth and it it just goes.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็งใŒใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใช็Šถๆณใซ้™ฅใฃใŸใจใใ€ ็งใŒๅฃใ‚’้–‹ใ‘ใฐใ€ใใ‚ŒใฏใŸใ ้€šใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ ๅญใฉใ‚‚ใŸใกใŒๅฟ…่ฆใชใจใใซ่จ€่‘‰ใ‚’ๆ€ใ„ๅ‡บใ™ใฎใซ
38:26
Do you have any practical strategies to help  them remember their words when they need them?
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ๅฝน็ซ‹ใคๅฎŸ็”จ็š„ใชๆˆฆ็•ฅใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹ ?
38:33
Absolutely.
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38:33
So this happens to me as well.
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็ตถๅฏพใซใ€‚
ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ็งใซใ‚‚่ตทใ“ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
38:35
And to to go back to your previous question, when  you will ask me, does this happen to you as well?
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ๅ‰ใฎ่ณชๅ•ใซๆˆปใ‚Šใพใ™ใŒใ€ใ„ใค ่ณชๅ•ใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ‚ใชใŸใซใ‚‚่ตทใ“ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
38:39
Did you get scared of speaking?
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่ฉฑใ™ใฎใŒๆ€–ใใชใฃใŸ๏ผŸ
38:41
Yes, every single time and learn a new language.
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ใฏใ„ใ€ๆฏŽๅ›žๆ–ฐใ—ใ„่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆใณใพใ™ใ€‚
38:43
I am terrified when the moment comes of  speaking, even after all so many years,  
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ไฝ•ๅนดใ‚‚็ตŒใฃใŸไปŠใงใ‚‚ใ€่ฉฑใ™็žฌ้–“ใŒๆฅใ‚‹ใจๆ€–ใ„ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
38:48
because in my subconscious mind, unfortunately the  the, the, you know, the the influence that school  
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ๆฎ‹ๅฟตใชใ“ใจใซ็งใฎๆฝœๅœจๆ„่ญ˜ใซใฏใ€
38:54
had on me when I was a little kid is still  there in the subconscious part of my mind.
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ๅนผๅฐ‘ใฎ้ ƒใซๅญฆๆ กใŒ็งใซไธŽใˆใŸๅฝฑ้ŸฟใŒใพใ ๆฎ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚ ็งใฎๅฟƒใฎๆฝœๅœจๆ„่ญ˜ใฎ้ƒจๅˆ†ใ€‚
38:58
So now to answer your question, we're not  going to talk delve into neuroscience,  
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ใ•ใฆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ่ณชๅ•ใซ็ญ”ใˆใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซใ€็งใฏ่„ณใฎไป•็ต„ใฟใซใคใ„ใฆ้žๅธธใซๆƒ…็†ฑใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆ ใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€็ฅž็ตŒ็ง‘ๅญฆใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉณใ—ใ่ฉฑใ™ใคใ‚‚ใ‚Šใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“
39:02
although I'm really passionate  about how the brain works.
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39:04
And if you understand how the brain works, it  gives you an incredible insight into why we have  
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ใใ—ใฆใ€่„ณใฎไป•็ต„ใฟใ‚’็†่งฃใ™ใ‚Œใฐใ€
39:10
these problems when speaking a foreign language or  our even our own native language for that matter.
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ๅค–ๅ›ฝ่ชžใ€ใ•ใ‚‰ใซใฏๆฏ่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ใจใใซใชใœใ“ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชๅ•้กŒใŒ่ตทใ“ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ใซใคใ„ใฆใ€้ฉšใในใๆดžๅฏŸใŒๅพ—ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ† ใ€‚
39:15
But to make it simple, this is the reason  why all this works, all this happens.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็ฐกๅ˜ใซ่จ€ใˆใฐใ€ใ“ใ‚ŒใŒ ใ™ในใฆใŒๆฉŸ่ƒฝใ—ใ€ใ™ในใฆใŒ่ตทใ“ใ‚‹็†็”ฑใงใ™ใ€‚
39:20
Sorry, in our mind we process language learning  when we still do not speak a language well.
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็”ณใ—่จณใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€็งใŸใกใฏใพใ ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ใ†ใพใ่ฉฑใ›ใชใ„ใจใใซใ‚‚ใ€ๅฟƒใฎไธญใง่จ€่ชžๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ‚’้€ฒใ‚ใฆใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
39:27
So we're not talking about our native  language, we're talking about foreign language.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€็งใŸใกใฏๆฏๅ›ฝ่ชžใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใฏใชใ ใ€ๅค–ๅ›ฝ่ชžใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
39:30
We use what is called what this part of the  brain which is called prefrontal cortex.
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็งใŸใกใฏใ€ ๅ‰้ ญๅ‰็šฎ่ณชใจๅ‘ผใฐใ‚Œใ‚‹่„ณใฎใ“ใฎ้ƒจๅˆ†ใ‚’ไฝฟ็”จใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
39:34
This is our like, this is how we  think consciously, how we plan things,  
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ€็งใŸใกใŒ ๆ„่ญ˜็š„ใซ่€ƒใˆใ‚‹ใจใใ€็‰ฉไบ‹ใ‚’่จˆ็”ปใ™ใ‚‹ใจใใ€
39:39
when we try to retrieve words, when we try  to think about grammar, etcetera, etcetera.
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ๅ˜่ชžใ‚’ๆคœ็ดขใ™ใ‚‹ใจใใ€ ๆ–‡ๆณ•ใชใฉใซใคใ„ใฆ่€ƒใˆใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ™ใ‚‹ใจใใฎใ‚„ใ‚Šๆ–นใงใ™ใ€‚
39:44
Then we have another part of the  brain which is called the limbic  
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ๆฌกใซใ€ๅคง่„ณ่พบ ็ธ็ณปใจๅ‘ผใฐใ‚Œใ‚‹
39:47
system that has to do with, let's say emotions.
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ใ€ๆ„Ÿๆƒ…ใชใฉใซ้–ขไฟ‚ใ™ใ‚‹่„ณใฎๅˆฅใฎ้ƒจๅˆ†ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
39:51
This is an an oversimplification of how  this works, but just to to show you a  
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ€ใ“ใ‚ŒใŒใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๆฉŸ่ƒฝใ™ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚’้Žๅบฆใซๅ˜็ด”ๅŒ–ใ—ใŸใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ ใŒใ€
39:56
metaphor of how, like there you have two  competing, let's say parts of the brain.
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ใŸใจใˆใฐ่„ณใฎไธ€้ƒจใŒ 2 ใค็ซถๅˆใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใฎๆฏ”ๅ–ฉใ‚’็คบใ™ใŸใ‚ใ ใ‘ใซใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
40:02
One is trying to process to think  about words, to arrange them together,  
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1 ใคใฏใ€ ๅ˜่ชžใซใคใ„ใฆ่€ƒใˆใŸใ‚Šใ€
40:06
to think about grammar, and the other part, which  is the emotional part, fights against this part.
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ๅ˜่ชžใ‚’ไธฆในใŸใ‚Šใ€ๆ–‡ๆณ•ใซใคใ„ใฆ่€ƒใˆใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ๅ‡ฆ็†ใ‚’่ฉฆใฟใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ใ‚‚ใ† 1 ใคใฎ้ƒจๅˆ†ใ€ใคใพใ‚Š ๆ„Ÿๆƒ…็š„ใช้ƒจๅˆ†ใŒใ“ใฎ้ƒจๅˆ†ใจๆˆฆใ†ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
40:11
So if you're tense.
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ใใ‚Œใง็ทŠๅผตใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใชใ‚‰ใ€‚
40:14
And subconsciously we walk into a conversation,  whether it's with a tutor or with people outside.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ ใใ‚ŒใŒๅฎถๅบญๆ•™ๅธซใงใ‚ใ‚ใ†ใจใ€ๅค–้ƒจใฎไบบใ€…ใงใ‚ใ‚ใ†ใจใ€็งใŸใกใฏ็„กๆ„่ญ˜ใฎใ†ใกใซไผš่ฉฑใ‚’ๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ™ใ€‚
40:20
There's a level of tension that unfortunately,  
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ๆฎ‹ๅฟตใชใ“ใจใซใ€
40:23
where the amygdala is involved in not only the  amygdala that keeps this part of the brain,  
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่„ณใฎใ“ใฎ้ƒจๅˆ†ใ‚’็ถญๆŒใ™ใ‚‹ๆ‰ๆกƒไฝ“ใ ใ‘ใงใชใใ€ๆ‰ๆกƒไฝ“ใŒ้–ขไธŽใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใƒฌใƒ™ใƒซใฎ็ทŠๅผตใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใ€
40:29
let's say, keeps it from communicating  well with other parts of the brain.
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่„ณใฎไป–ใฎ้ƒจๅˆ†ใจใฎใ‚ณใƒŸใƒฅใƒ‹ใ‚ฑใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใŒใ†ใพใๅฆจใ’ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจ่จ€ใˆใพใ™ใ€‚
40:34
So imagine that this part of the  brain wants to grab a word somewhere,  
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€่„ณใฎใ“ใฎ้ƒจๅˆ†ใŒ ใฉใ“ใ‹ใงๅ˜่ชžใ‚’ใคใ‹ใฟใ€
40:38
fetch a word with a mechanical arm, but the  other part just keeps it from doing that.
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ๆฉŸๆขฐใฎใ‚ขใƒผใƒ ใงๅ˜่ชžใ‚’ๅ–ๅพ—ใ—ใŸใ„ใจ่€ƒใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€ ไป–ใฎ้ƒจๅˆ†ใŒใใ‚Œใ‚’้˜ปๆญขใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆƒณๅƒใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
40:42
If you're stressed, if you're anxious,  if you walk into any conversation with  
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ใ‚นใƒˆใƒฌใ‚นใ‚’ๆ„Ÿใ˜ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใ€ไธๅฎ‰ใ‚’ๆ„Ÿใ˜ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒ
40:47
the idea that you're going to be  judged and everything you know,  
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ๅˆคๆ–ญใ•ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ ใ‚ใ†ใจใ„ใ†่€ƒใˆใ‚„ใ€ไผš่ฉฑ
40:50
all the negative things that you think concerning  a conversation, this is bound to happen.
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ใซ้–ขใ—ใฆ่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ™ในใฆใฎๅฆๅฎš็š„ใชใ“ใจใ‚’่€ƒใˆใชใŒใ‚‰ไผš่ฉฑใซๅ…ฅใ‚‹ใจ ใ€ๅฟ…ใšใ“ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ“ใจใŒ่ตทใ“ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ€‚
40:57
This has happened to me a number of times.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ็งใซใ‚‚ไฝ•ๅบฆใ‹่ตทใ“ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
40:59
Recently.
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40:59
Just to give you a very concrete example,  I've been learning Serbian for two years.
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ๆœ€่ฟ‘ใ€‚
้žๅธธใซๅ…ทไฝ“็š„ใชไพ‹ใ‚’ๆŒ™ใ’ใ‚‹ใจใ€ ็งใฏ 2 ๅนด้–“ใ‚ปใƒซใƒ“ใ‚ข่ชžใ‚’ๅ‹‰ๅผทใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซไบบใ€ใ‚ปใƒซใƒ“ใ‚ขไบบใ€ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซไบบใฎ
41:03
I had a conversation with my colleague  who's American, Serbian, American,  
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ๅŒๅƒšใจไผš่ฉฑใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
41:08
and I've been learning the language for two years.
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็งใฏใ“ใฎ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ 2 ๅนด้–“ๅ‹‰ๅผทใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
41:10
I understand it pretty well.
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ใ‹ใชใ‚Šใ‚ˆใๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
41:12
We recorded a conversation for YouTube.
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YouTube็”จใซไผš่ฉฑใ‚’้Œฒ้Ÿณใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ๅฝผใŒ็งใซใ€Œๆบ–ๅ‚™ใฏใงใใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸใ€ใจๅฐ‹ใญใŸใจใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€
41:15
I could not say the simplest things  like he asked me, Are you ready?
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็งใฏ็ฐกๅ˜ใชใ“ใจใ‚’่จ€ใ†ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
41:19
I was like, I couldn't even say  yes, I am in Serbian and I realized.
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็งใฏใ€Œ ใฏใ„ใ€็งใฏใ‚ปใƒซใƒ“ใ‚ข่ชžใงใ™ใ€ใจใ‚‚่จ€ใˆใšใ€ๆฐ—ใฅใ„ใŸใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
41:26
How is that?
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41:26
Possible and because the knowledge  is there but it's blocked.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใฉใ†ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใ€็Ÿฅ่ญ˜ใฏ ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใฎใƒ–ใƒญใƒƒใ‚ฏใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใงใ™ใ€‚
41:31
So it's something that happens all the time.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใใ‚Œใฏๅธธใซ่ตทใ“ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใชใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
41:33
Our mind goes blank because we are anxious and  we are in this mode, in this very negative mode.
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็งใŸใกใฏไธๅฎ‰ใง้ ญใŒ็œŸใฃ็™ฝใซใชใ‚Šใ€ ใ“ใฎใƒขใƒผใƒ‰ใ€้žๅธธใซใƒใ‚ฌใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใชใƒขใƒผใƒ‰ใซๅ…ฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
41:39
My suggestion is once again what  I said before is that to establish  
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็งใฎๆๆกˆใฏใ€ ๅ‰ใซ่ฟฐในใŸใ“ใจใ‚’ใ‚‚ใ†ไธ€ๅบฆ่จ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ใƒใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ– ใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ซใƒผใจไผš่ฉฑ
41:44
if you're anxious about having a  conversation with a native speaker,  
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ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซไธๅฎ‰ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใฏ ใ€ๅฟ…ใšใ—ใ‚‚ๆœ‰่ƒฝใงใ‚ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใฏ
41:47
find one person, a friendly person, not  necessarily competent, a friendly person.
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ใชใใ€ใƒ•ใƒฌใƒณใƒ‰ใƒชใƒผใชไบบใ‚’ 1 ไบบ่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ ใ€‚
41:53
You are really excited.
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ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่ˆˆๅฅฎใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใญใ€‚
41:56
You know, you you think, oh,  
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ€ใ€Œใ‚ใ‚ใ€
41:57
I'm going to talk to Jennifer or Luca  or Mark about whatever excites you.
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็งใฏใ‚ธใ‚งใƒ‹ใƒ•ใ‚กใƒผใ‹ใƒซใ‚ซ ใ‹ใƒžใƒผใ‚ฏใซใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่ˆˆๅฅฎใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใคใ„ใฆไฝ•ใงใ‚‚่ฉฑใ™ใคใ‚‚ใ‚Šใงใ™ใ€ใจ่€ƒใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
42:03
And when that happens, when you focus more on the  communication than the performance, your level of  
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใ†ใชใฃใŸใจใใ€ใƒ‘ใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒผใƒžใƒณใ‚นใ‚ˆใ‚Šใ‚‚ใ‚ณใƒŸใƒฅใƒ‹ใ‚ฑใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใซ้›†ไธญใ™ใ‚‹ใจ ใ€ใ‚นใƒˆใƒฌใ‚นใฎใƒฌใƒ™ใƒซใŒ
42:10
stress is going to go down and and then your mind  will go blank because it's this is inevitable.
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ไธ‹ใŒใ‚Šใ€้ ญใŒ ็œŸใฃ็™ฝใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ้ฟใ‘ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใชใ„ใ“ใจใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
42:17
It's a background noise that you're not  going to eliminate, but it's going to,  
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏๅ‘จๅ›ฒใฎ้›‘้Ÿณใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ ๅ–ใ‚Š้™คใใ“ใจใฏใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€
42:20
it's going to happen less and less  when you're talking with that person.
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ใใฎไบบใจ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใใซ็™บ็”Ÿใ™ใ‚‹้จ’้Ÿณใฏๅพใ€…ใซๆธ›ใฃใฆใ„ใใพใ™ใ€‚
42:24
If that happens, there's another  simple thing you can do is like,  
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ใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชๅ ดๅˆใฏใ€ใ‚‚ใ† 1 ใคใฎ ็ฐกๅ˜ใชๆ–นๆณ•ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ใ€Œ
42:28
you can just say I I'm trying to say this word.
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็งใฏใ“ใฎ่จ€่‘‰ใ‚’่จ€ใŠใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ€ใจ่จ€ใ†ใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€‚
42:31
If the other person speaks your Spanish, for  example, you can, you know, either say I don't  
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ใŸใจใˆใฐใ€็›ธๆ‰‹ใŒใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ‚นใƒšใ‚คใƒณ่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใ€
42:37
remember how to say this word and be very honest  or smile or look it on on on you know, on the fly.
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ใ“ใฎๅ˜่ชžใฎ่จ€ใ„ๆ–นใ‚’่ฆšใˆใฆใ„ใชใ„ใ€ใจๆญฃ็›ดใซ่จ€ใ†ใ‹ใ€ ๅพฎ็ฌ‘ใ‚€ใ‹ใ€ใใฎๅ ดใงใใ‚Œใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฎใฉใกใ‚‰ใ‹ใงใ™ใ€‚
42:44
But just be honest, first with yourself  and then with the other person.
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ใŸใ ใ—ใ€ๆœ€ๅˆใฏ่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใซๅฏพใ—ใฆ ใ€ๆฌกใซ็›ธๆ‰‹ใซๅฏพใ—ใฆใฏๆญฃ็›ดใซใชใฃใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
42:48
Once you establish with one person, again a  friendly communication like a collaboration,  
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ไธ€ไบบใฎไบบใจใ€ๅ†ใณ ใ‚ณใƒฉใƒœใƒฌใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชๅ‹ๅฅฝ็š„ใชใ‚ณใƒŸใƒฅใƒ‹ใ‚ฑใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใ‚’็ขบ็ซ‹ใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ€
42:55
then your stress levels will go down and you will  be able to manage this conversation much better.
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ใ‚นใƒˆใƒฌใ‚น ใƒฌใƒ™ใƒซใŒไธ‹ใŒใ‚Šใ€ ใ“ใฎไผš่ฉฑใ‚’ใ‚ˆใ‚Š้ฉๅˆ‡ใซ็ฎก็†ใงใใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
43:03
And that is going to give you confidence.
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ใใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใฏใ‚ใชใŸใซ่‡ชไฟกใ‚’ไธŽใˆใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
43:05
With that confidence, you're going to walk into  
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ใใฎ่‡ชไฟกใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ€
43:06
another conversation and  then another conversation.
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ๅˆฅใฎไผš่ฉฑใซ้€ฒใฟใ€ ใ•ใ‚‰ใซๅˆฅใฎไผš่ฉฑใซ้€ฒใ‚€ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ ๅค–ๅ›ฝ่ชžใง
43:09
Remember, every time you have another experience  in a foreign language, so every time that you walk  
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ๅˆฅใฎ็ตŒ้จ“ใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใณใซ ใ€ใคใพใ‚Š
43:14
into a grocery store to ask something or you  buy a train ticket, that's a new experience.
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้ฃŸๆ–™ๅ“ๅบ—ใซๅ…ฅใฃใฆไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’ๅฐ‹ใญใŸใ‚Šใ€ ้›ป่ปŠใฎๅˆ‡็ฌฆใ‚’่ณผๅ…ฅใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใณใซใ€ใใ‚Œใฏๆ–ฐใ—ใ„็ตŒ้จ“ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใชใ„ใงใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎๆฏๅ›ฝ่ชžใง
43:19
It's old because you lived it  in your own native language,  
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็”Ÿๆดปใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใฎใงๅคใ„ใงใ™ใŒ ใ€
43:22
but it's new because you've never  done it in your foreign language.
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ๅค–ๅ›ฝ่ชžใงใ‚„ใฃใŸใ“ใจใŒใชใ„ใฎใงๆ–ฐใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
43:25
So a little bit of a level like the the  level of stress is going to be there.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ใ‚นใƒˆใƒฌใ‚นใฎใƒฌใƒ™ใƒซใจๅŒๆง˜ใฎใƒฌใƒ™ใƒซใŒๅฐ‘ใ—ๅญ˜ๅœจ ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
43:29
You're going to think, Oh my God,  I'm just going to mess this up.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ€ใ€Œใชใ‚“ใฆใ“ใจใ ใ€ ็งใฏใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’ๅฐ็„กใ—ใซใ—ใฆใ—ใพใ†ใคใ‚‚ใ‚Šใ ใ€ใจๆ€ใ†ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
43:32
It's going to be a disaster.
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ใใ‚Œใฏๅคงๆƒจไบ‹ใซใชใ‚‹ใ ใ‚ใ†ใ€‚
43:33
Once you do it, you realize no big deal.
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ไธ€ๅบฆใ‚„ใฃใฆใฟใ‚‹ใจใ€ๅคงใ—ใŸใ“ใจใงใฏใชใ„ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
43:35
And then your confidence is  going to grow step by step.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ่‡ชไฟกใฏ ๆฎต้šŽ็š„ใซ้ซ˜ใพใฃใฆใ„ใใพใ™ใ€‚
43:40
Well, you shared a lot there.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ใใ“ใงใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎใ“ใจใ‚’ๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ—ใพใ—ใŸใญใ€‚
43:41
But I think for my students, just  understanding that it's it's how  
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใซใจใฃใฆใฏใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒ
43:46
their brain works, it's normal, it's  natural and thank you for sharing that.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฎ่„ณใฎไป•็ต„ใฟใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ๆญฃๅธธใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ ่‡ช็„ถใชใ“ใจใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใ‚’็†่งฃใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใ ใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใ„ใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใฆใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€‚
43:50
You still have that experience even today.
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ใใฎ็ตŒ้จ“ใฏไปŠใงใ‚‚ๆฎ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใญใ€‚ ใ“ใ‚Œใง
43:53
I'm sure that made all my students  feel more confident and it's  
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็”Ÿๅพ’ๅ…จๅ“กใŒใ‚ˆใ‚Š่‡ชไฟกใ‚’ๆŒใฆใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใฃใŸใจ็ขบไฟกใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ใใ‚Œใฏใ€
43:57
just building up those successes,  getting those successes in a in an A  
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44:01
comfortable environment that will allow them  to build their confidence slowly over time.
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ๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’ใ‹ใ‘ใฆใ‚†ใฃใใ‚Šใจ่‡ชไฟกใ‚’็ฏ‰ใใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ๅฟซ้ฉใช็’ฐๅขƒใงใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎๆˆๅŠŸใ‚’็ฉใฟ้‡ใญใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
44:06
Great advice.
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็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ‚ขใƒ‰ใƒใ‚คใ‚นใงใ™ใ€‚
44:07
Thank you.
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ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€‚
44:08
And I feel like we could talk  for so long about these topics,  
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ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎใƒˆใƒ”ใƒƒใ‚ฏใซใคใ„ใฆใ€
44:12
especially diving into how our brain works.
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็‰นใซ็งใŸใกใฎ่„ณใฎไป•็ต„ใฟใซใคใ„ใฆ่ฉณใ—ใ่ฉฑใ›ใใ†ใชๆฐ—ใŒใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
44:14
That's so interesting.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใจใฆใ‚‚่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚ ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ YouTube ใƒใƒฃใƒณใƒใƒซใซใฏไป–
44:15
And I know you have more videos  on your YouTube channel, so why  
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ใซใ‚‚ๅ‹•็”ปใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€
44:19
don't you just share with my students  where they can find you on YouTube?
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YouTube ใงใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใ‚‹ๅ ดๆ‰€ใ‚’็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใซๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ—ใฆใฟใฆใฏใ„ใ‹ใŒใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹ใ€‚
44:23
What's your YouTube channel?
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YouTube ใƒใƒฃใƒณใƒใƒซใฏไฝ•ใงใ™ใ‹?
44:24
Sure thing.
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็ขบๅฎŸใชใ“ใจใ€‚
44:25
My YouTube channel is just Luca  Lampariella which is just by name.
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็งใฎ YouTube ใƒใƒฃใƒณใƒใƒซใฏ ๅๅ‰ใ ใ‘ใฎ Luca Lampariella ใงใ™ใ€‚
44:30
So if you write Luca Lamparello or Luca  languages on YouTube you will find my channel.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€YouTube ใง Luca Lamparello ใพใŸใฏ Luca ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๆ›ธใใจใ€ ็งใฎใƒใƒฃใƒณใƒใƒซใŒ่ฆ‹ใคใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
44:35
It's all about learning how to learn.
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ใ™ในใฆใฏๅญฆใณๆ–นใ‚’ๅญฆใถใ“ใจใชใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
44:37
I do have some videos where I speak multiple  languages or other languages in just one video,  
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1 ใคใฎๅ‹•็”ปใง่ค‡ๆ•ฐใฎ่จ€่ชžใ‚„ใใฎไป–ใฎ่จ€่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ๅ‹•็”ปใ‚‚ใ„ใใคใ‹ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™
44:43
but it mainly it's about how to learn  how to use your brain to learn more  
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ใŒใ€ไธปใซใ€ ใ‚ˆใ‚ŠๅŠน็Ž‡็š„ใซๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใฎ่„ณใฎไฝฟใ„ๆ–นใ‚’ๅญฆใณ
44:47
efficiently and to show you that that  is possible and then everyone can do it.
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ใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒ ๅฏ่ƒฝใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€่ชฐใงใ‚‚ใงใใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’็คบใ™ใ“ใจใ‚’็›ฎ็š„ใจใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
44:52
I'll put the YouTube channel in the  description as well so everyone can follow you.
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่ชฐใงใ‚‚ใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒญใƒผใงใใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€่ชฌๆ˜Žใซ YouTube ใƒใƒฃใƒณใƒใƒซใ‚‚่จ˜่ผ‰ใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
44:57
Get those language learning tips and advice.
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่จ€่ชžๅญฆ็ฟ’ใฎใƒ’ใƒณใƒˆใ‚„ใ‚ขใƒ‰ใƒใ‚คใ‚นใ‚’ๅ…ฅๆ‰‹ใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
44:59
Final question for you before we wrap up.
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ๆœ€ๅพŒใซใ€ๆœ€ๅพŒใฎ่ณชๅ•ใงใ™ใ€‚
45:02
If my students were to do only one thing  this week to improve their English,  
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่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ไธŠ้”ใ•ใ›ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซไปŠ้€ฑ็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใซ 1 ใคใ ใ‘ใ‚„ใ‚‰ใ›ใ‚‹ใจใ—ใŸใ‚‰ใ€
45:09
what would you recommend that they do?
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ไฝ•ใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ๅ‹งใ‚ใพใ™ใ‹? ๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒ่ฉฑใ—ใฆ
45:12
I would say to focus on the joy of  actually, whatever they're doing,  
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ใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹ใ€็งใŸใกใŒๆ›ธใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹
45:18
whether they're speaking, whether  we're writing, whether we're reading,  
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ใฉใ†ใ‹ใ€่ชญใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ ใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹ใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒ่žใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹ใ€ๆฌก
45:21
whether they're listening, whether they're  watching a YouTube video like this one.
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ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใช YouTube ๅ‹•็”ปใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹ใชใฉใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใซๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒไฝ•ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใซ็„ฆ็‚นใ‚’ๅฝ“ใฆใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ ใ“ใ‚Œใงใ™ใ€‚
45:24
To have joy to, to think about  the joy of learning instead of  
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45:30
I have to do this because I have to learn.
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ๅญฆใถๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’ใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใฎใงใฏใชใใ€ๅญฆใถๅ–œใณใ‚’ๆŒใกใ€ๅญฆใถๅ–œใณใซใคใ„ใฆ่€ƒใˆใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
45:33
It's more like I want to do this.
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ใ‚€ใ—ใ‚ใ“ใ‚ŒใŒใ‚„ใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใฟใŸใ„ใชใ€‚
45:35
I think that once again, yes,  techniques and strategies,  
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็นฐใ‚Š่ฟ”ใ—ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใŒใ€ ใƒ†ใ‚ฏใƒ‹ใƒƒใ‚ฏใจๆˆฆ็•ฅใฏ
45:38
they're important, but this mindset  shift that you need to have in order  
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้‡่ฆใงใ™ใŒใ€
45:44
to take things for further is the one of  the most powerful things and factors when  
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็‰ฉไบ‹ใ‚’ใ•ใ‚‰ใซๅ‰้€ฒใ•ใ›ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซๅฟ…่ฆใชใ“ใฎ่€ƒใˆๆ–นใฎ่ปขๆ›ใฏใ€ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ‚’ๆˆๅŠŸใ•ใ›ใ‚‹ไธŠ ใงๆœ€ใ‚‚ๅผทๅŠ›ใช่ฆ็ด ใจ่ฆ็ด ใฎ 1 ใคใงใ™ใ€‚
45:51
it comes to success in learning English  or any other language for that matter.
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่‹ฑ่ชž ใพใŸใฏใใฎไป–ใฎ่จ€่ชžใ€‚
45:57
What an amazing way to end our conversation.
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ไผš่ฉฑใ‚’็ต‚ใ‚ใ‚‰ใ›ใ‚‹ใชใ‚“ใฆ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ๆ–นๆณ•ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
46:00
Focus on joy.
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ๅ–œใณใซ็„ฆ็‚นใ‚’ๅฝ“ใฆใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
46:01
You heard it everyone.
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็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใ‚‚่žใ„ใŸใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใญใ€‚
46:02
Focus on joy.
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ๅ–œใณใซ็„ฆ็‚นใ‚’ๅฝ“ใฆใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
46:03
Thank you so much for being here, Luca,  and sharing these amazing tips and advice.
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46:08
My pleasure.
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ใฉใ†ใ„ใŸใ—ใพใ—ใฆใ€‚
46:09
Bye, bye.
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ใƒใ‚คใƒใ‚คใ€‚
46:10
More amazing advice for you.
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ใ•ใ‚‰ใซ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ‚ขใƒ‰ใƒใ‚คใ‚นใ‚’ใ‚ใชใŸใซใ€‚
46:12
Let's put thanks Luca, show our support.
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ใƒซใ‚ซใซๆ„Ÿ่ฌใฎๆ„ใ‚’่กจใ—ใ€ใ‚ตใƒใƒผใƒˆใ‚’็คบใ—ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
46:16
Let's put thanks Luca in the comments.
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ใ‚ณใƒกใƒณใƒˆใซใƒซใ‚ซใซๆ„Ÿ่ฌใฎๆ„ใ‚’่กจใ—ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
46:19
And now I'm excited because you're going  to hear from a fellow English learner.
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ใใ—ใฆไปŠใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ ่‹ฑ่ชžๅญฆ็ฟ’ไปฒ้–“ใ‹ใ‚‰่ฉฑใ‚’่žใใ“ใจใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ใจใฆใ‚‚ๆฅฝใ—ใฟใซใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ๅคงไบบ
46:25
You're going to hear from Mustafa,  
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46:27
who started learning English as  an adult and he went from zero,  
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ใซใชใฃใฆใ‹ใ‚‰่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ๅ‹‰ๅผทใ—ๅง‹ใ‚ ใ€
46:32
no knowledge of English to fluent communicating  his ideas confidently in a short period of time.
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่‹ฑ่ชžใฎ็Ÿฅ่ญ˜ใŒใพใฃใŸใใชใ„ใ‚ผใƒญใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ ็ŸญๆœŸ้–“ใง่‡ชไฟกใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ่€ƒใˆใ‚’ๆตๆšขใซไผใˆใ‚‹ใพใงใซใชใฃใŸใƒ ใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒ•ใ‚กใ•ใ‚“ใฎ่ฉฑใ‚’่žใใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
46:40
And he he's going to share the exact study  routine that helped him achieve success.
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ใใ—ใฆๅฝผใฏใ€ ๆˆๅŠŸใ‚’้”ๆˆใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใซๅฝน็ซ‹ใฃใŸๆญฃ็ขบใชๅ‹‰ๅผทใƒซใƒผใƒใƒณใ‚’ๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ™ใ‚‹ไบˆๅฎšใงใ™ใ€‚
46:46
Let's hear from Mustafa now.
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ใƒ ใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒ•ใ‚กใ‹ใ‚‰่ฉฑใ‚’่žใ„ใฆใฟใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
46:48
Welcome Mustafa.
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ใƒ ใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒ•ใ‚กใ•ใ‚“ใ€ใ‚ˆใ†ใ“ใใ€‚
46:49
It's so wonderful having you here.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใ“ใ“ใซใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใฏใจใฆใ‚‚็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
46:51
Hey, Jennifer, how are you?
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ใ‚„ใ‚ใ€ใ‚ธใ‚งใƒ‹ใƒ•ใ‚กใƒผใ€่ชฟๅญใฏใฉใ†๏ผŸ ใ”
46:53
Thank you for inviting me.
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ๆ‹›ๅพ…ใ„ใŸใ ใใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
46:54
I'm doing great, absolutely.
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็งใฏใจใฆใ‚‚ใ†ใพใใ‚„ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€็ตถๅฏพใซใ€‚
46:57
So why don't you tell everyone when  did you start studying English?
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใ„ใคใ‹ใ‚‰ ่‹ฑ่ชžใฎๅ‹‰ๅผทใ‚’ๅง‹ใ‚ใŸใ‹ใ‚’ใฟใ‚“ใชใซ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใฏใฉใ†ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹๏ผŸ
47:02
OK, it was back in the day in 2020  when the COVID-19 hit The World.
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2020 ๅนดใ€ๆ–ฐๅž‹ ใ‚ณใƒญใƒŠใ‚ฆใ‚คใƒซใ‚นๆ„ŸๆŸ“็—‡ใŒไธ–็•Œใ‚’่ฅฒใฃใŸใจใใฎใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
47:08
I Started, you know, learning  English from scratch from zero.
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็งใฏ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ใ‚ผใƒญใ‹ใ‚‰ๅญฆใณๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
47:14
And at the beginning I had a teacher.
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ใใ—ใฆๆœ€ๅˆใฏๅ…ˆ็”ŸใŒใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
47:16
But after two months I started  studying independently.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ— 2 ใ‹ๆœˆๅพŒใ€็งใฏ ่‡ชไธป็š„ใซๅ‹‰ๅผทใ—ๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
47:20
So, yeah, it was in 2020.
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ 2020 ๅนดใฎใ“ใจใงใ—ใŸใ€‚OK
47:23
OK, 2020 from 0.
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ใ€2020 ๅนดใฏ 0 ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
47:26
And at that time, what motivated  you to Start learning English?
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ใใฎใจใใ€ ่‹ฑ่ชžใฎๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ‚’ๅง‹ใ‚ใ‚ˆใ†ใจๆ€ใฃใŸใใฃใ‹ใ‘ใฏไฝ•ใงใ™ใ‹?
47:31
Well, first of all, English  is a dominant language.
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ใพใš็ฌฌไธ€ใซใ€่‹ฑ่ชžใŒ ไธป่ฆใช่จ€่ชžใงใ™ใ€‚
47:35
Yeah.
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ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
47:36
Once we started speaking fluently,  
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ๆตๆšขใซ่ฉฑใ›ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚‹ใจใ€ไธ–็•Œ
47:38
we will have an opportunity to connect with  the world and have a wide connection network.
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ใจใคใชใŒใ‚Š ใ€ๅน…ๅบƒใ„ๆŽฅ็ถšใƒใƒƒใƒˆใƒฏใƒผใ‚ฏใ‚’ๆŒใคๆฉŸไผšใŒๅพ—ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใพใ™ใ€‚ ๆ–‡ๅŒ–็š„ใซๅคšๆง˜ใช่ƒŒๆ™ฏใ‚’ๆŒใคไบบใ€…
47:43
That's what really motivated me, talking to  people from culturally diverse backgrounds.
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ใจ่ฉฑใ™ใ“ใจใŒใ€็งใ‚’ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅ‹•ๆฉŸใฅใ‘ใŸ็†็”ฑใงใ™ ใ€‚
47:49
So yeah.
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ใใ†ใใ†ใ€‚
47:50
And in the short period of time 2020,  
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2020 ๅนดใฎ็Ÿญใ„ๆœŸ้–“ใงใ€
47:54
when you started from zero today, what  would you say your English level is?
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ไปŠๆ—ฅใ‚ผใƒญใ‹ใ‚‰ใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒผใƒˆใ—ใŸใจใใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžใƒฌใƒ™ใƒซใฏใฉใฎใใ‚‰ใ„ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
47:59
Or how would you describe your fluency in English?
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ใพใŸใฏใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžใฎๆตๆšขใ•ใ‚’ใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่กจ็พใ—ใพใ™ใ‹?
48:03
In terms of the eyeless exam, which is  quite popular in many, many countries,  
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้žๅธธใซๅคšใใฎๅ›ฝใง้žๅธธใซไบบๆฐ—ใฎใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚ขใ‚คใƒฌใ‚นๆคœๆŸปใซ้–ขใ—ใฆ่จ€ใˆใฐใ€
48:09
I got a bad aid at the beginning of  last year and speaking it was like 8.
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็งใฏๆ˜จๅนดใฎๅˆใ‚ใซๆ‚ชใ„่ฃœๅŠฉใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ใ€ ่จ€ใฃใฆใฟใ‚Œใฐ 8 ใใ‚‰ใ„ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
48:15
But I would say I have made  a lot of progress since then.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ ใใ‚Œไปฅๆฅใ€็งใฏใ‹ใชใ‚Š้€ฒๆญฉใ—ใŸใจ่จ€ใˆใพใ™ใ€‚
48:18
So I would say it's it's pretty high.
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ใงใ™ใฎใงใ€ใ‹ใชใ‚Š้ซ˜ใ„ใจ่จ€ใˆใพใ™ใ€‚ ็†Ÿ็ทดๅบฆใƒฌใƒ™ใƒซใซ
48:20
You could even say like I've reached  the proficiency level but it's still,  
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้”ใ—ใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่จ€ใ†ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใงใใพใ™ ใŒใ€
48:25
hey there is there is still  a room for improvement.
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ใพใ  ๆ”นๅ–„ใฎไฝ™ๅœฐใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
48:29
It's it's a lifelong learning.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็”Ÿๆถฏๅญฆ็ฟ’ใงใ™ใ€‚
48:30
I cannot say I'm professional, it will never  be and it's all about learning continuously.
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็งใฏ่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒใƒ—ใƒญใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใฏ่จ€ใˆใพใ›ใ‚“ใ—ใ€ๆฑบใ—ใฆใใ† ใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ใ™ในใฆใฏ็ถ™็ถš็š„ใซๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
48:36
That's what I think.
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ใใ†ๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
48:39
That's so true.
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48:39
And I say that to all my students and  I let them know that even I'm still  
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ใใ‚Œใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใงใ™ใ€‚
ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใฏใ™ในใฆใฎ็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใซใ“ใฎใ“ใจใ‚’่จ€ใ„ใ€ ็งใงใ•ใˆ
48:44
improving my communication skills  and it is truly a lifelong process.
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ใ‚ณใƒŸใƒฅใƒ‹ใ‚ฑใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณ ใ‚นใ‚ญใƒซใ‚’ๅ‘ไธŠใ•ใ›ใฆใ„ใ‚‹้€”ไธญใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ ใใ‚Œใฏใพใ•ใซ็”Ÿๆถฏใซใ‚ใŸใ‚‹ใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ปใ‚นใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ไผใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
48:51
So why don't you tell my students how you achieved  
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ใใ‚Œใงใฏใ€ใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ—ใฆ็ŸญๆœŸ้–“ใงใ“ใ‚Œใปใฉ้ซ˜ใ„ใƒฌใƒ™ใƒซใฎๆตๆšขๆ€งใ‚’้”ๆˆใ—ใŸใฎใ‹ใ‚’็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใซ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใฟใฆใฏใ„ใ‹ใŒใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹
48:55
such a high level of fluency  in a short period of time?
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?
48:59
Did you have a secret process you  followed or what was your approach?
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๅพ“ใฃใŸ็ง˜ๅฏ†ใฎใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ปใ‚นใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ‹ ใ€ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ„ใฏใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚ขใƒ—ใƒญใƒผใƒใงใ—ใŸใ‹๏ผŸ
49:04
What was your methodology to get these results?
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ใ“ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใช็ตๆžœใ‚’ๅพ—ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซ่กŒใฃใŸๆ–นๆณ•่ซ–ใฏไฝ•ใงใ™ใ‹?
49:07
Well, first of all, before embarking  on this beautiful journey, I started  
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ใ•ใฆใ€ใพใš็ฌฌไธ€ใซใ€ ใ“ใฎ็พŽใ—ใ„ๆ—…ใซไน—ใ‚Šๅ‡บใ™ๅ‰ใซใ€็งใฏใพใšใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚ทใƒฃใƒซ ใƒกใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใ‚ขใ‚’ใฏใ˜ใ‚ใ€
49:12
eliminating all unnecessary distractions  I had, first of all, social media.
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ไธๅฟ…่ฆใชๆฐ—ใ‚’ๆ•ฃใ‚‰ใ™ใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’ใ™ในใฆๆŽ’้™คใ—ๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
49:18
I've only started using social  media for educational purposes.
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็งใฏๆ•™่‚ฒ็›ฎ็š„ใงใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚ทใƒฃใƒซ ใƒกใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใ‚ขใ‚’ไฝฟใ„ๅง‹ใ‚ใŸใฐใ‹ใ‚Šใงใ™ ใ€‚
49:22
You know, like TikTok.
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ใ”ๅญ˜็Ÿฅใฎ้€šใ‚Šใ€TikTokใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚ ใใ‚“ใชใ“ใจใฏ
49:25
Not going to happen.
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่ตทใ“ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ ใ‚ใ†ใ€‚
49:27
YouTube.
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ใƒฆใƒผใƒใƒฅใƒผใƒ–ใ€‚
49:28
OK, let's use that for educational purposes,  
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OKใ€
49:31
like watching Youtubers, like you're  watching professional teachers and so forth.
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Youtuber ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใŸใ‚Šใ€ ใƒ—ใƒญใฎๆ•™ๅธซใ‚’่ฆ‹ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใชใฉใ€ๆ•™่‚ฒ็›ฎ็š„ใซไฝฟ็”จใ—ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
49:36
That's what I did.
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ใใ‚ŒใŒ็งใŒใ‚„ใฃใŸใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
49:37
And also I started eliminating  like my toxic environment.
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ใพใŸใ€ ๆœ‰ๅฎณใช็’ฐๅขƒใชใฉใ‚’ๆŽ’้™คใ—ๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
49:41
At that time.
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ใใฎๆ™‚ใ€‚ ไปฅๅ‰ใฏ
49:42
I used to have a toxic environment.
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ๆœ‰ๅฎณใช็’ฐๅขƒใซใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ็งใฏ
49:44
I start, I told myself, if  I wanted to improve myself,  
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่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใซ่จ€ใ„่žใ‹ใ›ใพใ—ใŸใ€ใ‚‚ใ— ่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใ‚’ๅ‘ไธŠใ•ใ›ใŸใ„ใชใ‚‰ใ€
49:49
why not eliminate and eradicate  all unnecessary distractions?
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ไธๅฟ…่ฆใชๆฐ—ใ‚’ๆ•ฃใ‚‰ใ™ใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’ใ™ในใฆๆŽ’้™คใ—ใฆๆ น็ตถใ—ใฆใฏใฉใ†ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹?
49:53
So that's what I did.
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49:55
After that, I also created a study area which  was, like putting over, like like vibrant sticky  
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ใใฎๅพŒใ€ๅฃใซ ้ฎฎใ‚„ใ‹ใชไป˜็ฎ‹ใ‚’่ฒผใ‚Š
50:04
notes on my walls and jotting down beautiful  expressions idiomatically in couch phrasal verbs.
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ใ€ ใ‚ซใ‚ฆใƒๅฅๅ‹•่ฉžใงๆ…ฃ็”จ็š„ใซ็พŽใ—ใ„่กจ็พใ‚’ๆ›ธใ็•™ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใชๅ‹‰ๅผทๅ ดๆ‰€ใ‚‚ไฝœใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
50:10
I've sent you some photos.
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ๅ†™็œŸใ‚’ไฝ•ๆžšใ‹้€ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
50:12
You could show them like to students.
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็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใซ่ฆ‹ใ›ใ‚‹ใฎใ‚‚ใ„ใ„ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
50:15
You believe it or not.
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ไฟกใ˜ใ‚‹ใ‹ไฟกใ˜ใชใ„ใ‹ใฏใ‚ใชใŸๆฌก็ฌฌใงใ™ใ€‚ ใใฎใŠใ‹ใ’ใง
50:16
It helped me to study for 6 to 12 hours a day.
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1ๆ—ฅ6ๆ™‚้–“ใ‹ใ‚‰12ๆ™‚้–“ๅ‹‰ๅผทใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใพใ‚‹ใง
50:19
I was like I became obsessed with the process.
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ใใฎ้Ž็จ‹ใซๅคขไธญใซใชใฃใฆใ—ใพใฃใŸใฟใŸใ„ใ ใฃใŸใ€‚
50:22
I had a study table, I had a study bedroom and I  would like study continuously every single day.
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ๅ‹‰ๅผทๆœบใจๅ‹‰ๅผท้ƒจๅฑ‹ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ ๆฏŽๆ—ฅ็ถ™็ถš็š„ใซๅ‹‰ๅผทใ—ใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
50:30
I spiced it up.
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ๅ‘ณไป˜ใ‘ใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
50:32
I did not.
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็งใฏใ—ใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚ ็งใฏ
50:33
I I was not in a hurry to improve my language  skills, but instead I enjoyed the process.
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่ชžๅญฆใ‚นใ‚ญใƒซใ‚’ๅ‘ไธŠใ•ใ›ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๆ€ฅใ„ใงใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใŒใ€ใใฎ ไปฃใ‚ใ‚Šใซใใฎ้Ž็จ‹ใ‚’ๆฅฝใ—ใฟใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
50:39
I would visualize and picture my future.
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็งใฏ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎๅฐ†ๆฅใ‚’่ฆ–่ฆšๅŒ–ใ—ใฆใ‚คใƒกใƒผใ‚ธใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
50:43
I would think about how many opportunities  I would have if I reach this level.
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ใ“ใฎใƒฌใƒ™ใƒซใซๅˆฐ้”ใ—ใŸใ‚‰ใ€ใฉใ‚Œใ ใ‘ใฎใƒใƒฃใƒณใ‚นใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚’่€ƒใˆใฆใฟใพใ™ใ€‚
50:48
OK, so let's study.
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ใ‚ˆใ—ใ€ๅ‹‰ๅผทใ—ใ‚ˆใ†ใ€‚
50:51
So this is what really helped me to  study not only for many many hours,  
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ็งใŒ ไฝ•ๆ™‚้–“ใ‚‚ๅ‹‰ๅผทใ™ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใงใชใใ€่จ€่ชž็ฟ’ๅพ—ใฎ
50:55
but also to increase the quality  of my language acquisition.
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่ณชใ‚’้ซ˜ใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใซใ‚‚ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅฝน็ซ‹ใกใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
50:59
I would even say.
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็งใฏใใ†ใ•ใˆ่จ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
51:02
It sounds like you had a very interesting  
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ้žๅธธใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ใ‚ขใƒ—ใƒญใƒผใƒใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใงใ™
51:04
approach and obviously it kept you  motivated for all those years now.
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ใŒใ€ๆ˜Žใ‚‰ใ‹ใซใใ‚ŒใŒ้•ทๅนดใซใ‚ใŸใฃใฆใ‚ใชใŸใฎใƒขใƒใƒ™ใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใ‚’็ถญๆŒใ—็ถšใ‘ใฆใใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
51:08
You said you had to address  your toxic environment.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๆœ‰ๅฎณใช็’ฐๅขƒใซๅฏพๅ‡ฆใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใจ่จ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
51:12
Can you explain what do you mean by that?
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ใใ‚ŒใŒไฝ•ใ‚’ๆ„ๅ‘ณใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹่ชฌๆ˜Žใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใ‚‰ใˆใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
51:14
What did you consider toxic in your environment?
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ็’ฐๅขƒใงใฏไฝ•ใŒๆœ‰ๆฏ’ใ ใจ่€ƒใˆใพใ—ใŸใ‹?
51:18
Yeah, I can elaborate on that.
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ใฏใ„ใ€่ฉณใ—ใ่ชฌๆ˜Žใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
51:19
Like imagine friends like, I I it  would take me to say no to vacations.
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ๅ‹้”ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’ๆƒณๅƒใ—ใฆใฟใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ ็งใ‚‚ไผ‘ๆš‡ใซใƒŽใƒผใจ่จ€ใ†ใฎใซๆ™‚้–“ใŒใ‹ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
51:27
It would take me say no to like Hangouts.
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ใƒใƒณใ‚ฐใ‚ขใ‚ฆใƒˆใ‚’ๅฅฝใใซใชใ‚‹ใซใฏใ€ๆ–ญใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
51:30
It would It would take me to say no, my friends.
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ใƒŽใƒผใจ่จ€ใ†ใซใฏๆ™‚้–“ใŒใ‹ใ‹ใ‚‹ใ ใ‚ใ†ใ€ๅ‹ใ‚ˆใ€‚
51:34
So I'm, I did have a toxic environment.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€็งใฏๆœ‰ๅฎณใช็’ฐๅขƒใซใ„ใŸใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
51:37
Like, OK, let's go to parties.
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ใใ†ใ ใ€ใƒ‘ใƒผใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใซ่กŒใ“ใ†ใ€‚
51:40
OK, let's go to this And that's And I would have  to say no to all of my friends because I really  
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OKใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใซ่กŒใใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚ใใ‚Œใงใ€็งใฏ ๅ‹้”ๅ…จๅ“กใซใƒŽใƒผใจ่จ€ใ‚ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€็งใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ
51:46
wanted to have a transformative,  transformative change in my life.
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎไบบ็”Ÿใซๅค‰้ฉ็š„ใชๅค‰ๅŒ–ใ‚’ใ‚‚ใŸใ‚‰ใ—ใŸใ‹ใฃใŸใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
51:52
And then it took me to change my environment.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็’ฐๅขƒใ‚’ๅค‰ใˆใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
51:55
And then you know what happens?
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ใใ—ใฆไฝ•ใŒ่ตทใ“ใ‚‹ใ‹็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
51:57
I started surrounding me with educated  and very high knowledgeable people,  
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็งใฏใ€
52:03
like the people who would continuously  improve their characters, the people who  
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็ถ™็ถš็š„ใซ ไบบๆ ผใ‚’ๅ‘ไธŠใ•ใ›ใ‚‹ไบบใ€
52:08
would continuously read books, the people who  would continuously take their health seriously.
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็ถ™็ถš็š„ใซๆœฌใ‚’่ชญใ‚€ไบบใ€ ็ถ™็ถš็š„ใซๅฅๅบทใซ็œŸๅ‰ฃใซๅ–ใ‚Š็ต„ใ‚€ไบบใชใฉใ€ๆ•™่‚ฒใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ใ€้žๅธธใซ็Ÿฅ่ญ˜ใฎ่ฑŠๅฏŒใชไบบใ€…ใซๅ›ฒใพใ‚Œๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
52:14
And then I I started feeling  better involved myself.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ ็ง่‡ช่บซใ‚‚ใ‚ˆใ‚Šๆทฑใ้–ขใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใฃใŸใจๆ„Ÿใ˜ๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
52:17
All the elevated complete emotions,  positive emotions started coming to my life.
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ใ™ในใฆใฎ้ซ˜ๆšใ—ใŸๅฎŒๅ…จใชๆ„Ÿๆƒ…ใ€ ใƒใ‚ธใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใชๆ„Ÿๆƒ…ใŒ็งใฎไบบ็”Ÿใซใ‚„ใฃใฆๆฅๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
52:23
I started feeling better,  but before that I was not.
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ๆฐ—ๅˆ†ใฏ่‰ฏใใชใ‚Šๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ—ใŸใŒใ€ใใฎ ๅ‰ใฏใใ†ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
52:28
So it turns out I was being  in a toxic environment.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€็งใฏ ๆœ‰ๅฎณใช็’ฐๅขƒใซใ„ใŸใ“ใจใŒๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
52:32
I mean, going to parties, doing this and that.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใƒ‘ใƒผใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใซ่กŒใฃใŸใ‚Šใ€ใ‚ใ‚Œใ“ใ‚Œใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
52:35
But right now you have no ideas.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ไปŠใฎใจใ“ใ‚ใ‚ใชใŸใซใฏใ‚ขใ‚คใƒ‡ใ‚ขใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
52:38
You have no idea about my environment.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ็งใฎ็’ฐๅขƒใซใคใ„ใฆไฝ•ใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
52:40
It's so clean.
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ใจใฆใ‚‚ใใ‚Œใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
52:41
So for four years I'd be surrounded  by very highly knowledgeable people.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€4 ๅนด้–“ใ€็งใฏ ้žๅธธใซ็Ÿฅ่ญ˜ใฎ่ฑŠๅฏŒใชไบบใ€…ใซๅ›ฒใพใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
52:46
And I'm proud of myself, proud of  my decision I made back in 2020.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใฏ่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใ‚’่ช‡ใ‚Šใซๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚2020 ๅนดใซไธ‹ใ—ใŸๆฑบๆ–ญใ‚’่ช‡ใ‚Šใซๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
52:52
Yeah.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใ€‚ ไบบ็”Ÿใซ
52:54
It's not an easy decision to make for sure  when you want to make those positive changes  
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ใƒใ‚ธใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใชๅค‰ๅŒ–ใ‚’ใ‚‚ใŸใ‚‰ใ—ใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใฆ
52:59
in your life and you realize that you  have to look at all areas of your life.
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ใ€ ไบบ็”Ÿใฎใ‚ใ‚‰ใ‚†ใ‚‹้ขใซ็›ฎใ‚’ๅ‘ใ‘ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจๆฐ—ใฅใ„ใŸใจใใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚’็ขบๅฎŸใซไธ‹ใ™ใฎใฏ็ฐกๅ˜ใชๆฑบๆ–ญใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
53:04
So yes, you want to improve your English,  but you had to look at your social life,  
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็ขบใ‹ใซใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ไธŠ้”ใ•ใ›ใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ ใŒใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ็คพไผš็”Ÿๆดปใ€
53:09
your other habits in in your daily  life and how that impacted your study.
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ๆ—ฅๅธธ็”Ÿๆดปใฎใใฎไป–ใฎ็ฟ’ๆ…ฃใ€ ใใ—ใฆใใ‚ŒใŒๅ‹‰ๅผทใซใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชๅฝฑ้Ÿฟใ‚’ไธŽใˆใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚’ๆคœ่จŽใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
53:15
So it's it's great that you were able to do that.
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒใงใใŸใฎใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚ ใพใŸใ€
53:18
And you also mentioned that you visualized  your future, you visualize the result.
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎๅฐ†ๆฅใ‚’่ฆ–่ฆšๅŒ–ใ—ใ€ใใฎ็ตๆžœใ‚’่ฆ–่ฆšๅŒ–ใ—ใŸใจใ‚‚ใŠใฃใ—ใ‚ƒใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
53:24
So when you saw yourself  in the future as a fluent,  
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ ๅฐ†ๆฅใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒๆตๆšขใง่‡ชไฟก
53:29
confident English speaker, do you  mind sharing what were you doing?
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ใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ›ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใฃใŸใจใใ€ ไฝ•ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใ‹ๆ•™ใˆใฆใ„ใŸใ ใ‘ใพใ™ใ‹?
53:34
What were you doing with your English  language skills in this visualization?
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ใ“ใฎใƒ“ใ‚ธใƒฅใ‚ขใƒฉใ‚คใ‚ผใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใงใฏใ€่‹ฑ่ชžใฎใ‚นใ‚ญใƒซใ‚’ใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๆดป็”จใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ‹?
53:39
Process.
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53:39
Yes, we all go through ups  and downs, but mostly downs.
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ใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ปใ‚นใ€‚
ใฏใ„ใ€็งใŸใกใฏ็š†ใ€ๆตฎใๆฒˆใฟใ‚’็ตŒ้จ“ใ—ใพใ™ ใŒใ€ใปใจใ‚“ใฉใฏไธ‹ใ‚Šๅ‚ใงใ™ใ€‚
53:42
Life is not an easy path, especially studying for  
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ไบบ็”Ÿใฏ็ฐกๅ˜ใช้“ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚็‰นใซใ€
53:45
6 to 12 hour study continuously without  stopping, like without taking days off.
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6ใ€œ12ๆ™‚้–“ใฎๅ‹‰ๅผทใ‚’ใ€ ไผ‘ใ‚€ใ“ใจใชใใ€ไผ‘ใ‚€ใ“ใจใชใ็ถšใ‘ใฆ็ถšใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
53:50
At that time I would picture myself in the future  because I want to be somebody who could like.
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ใใฎใจใใ€็งใฏๅฐ†ๆฅใฎ่‡ชๅˆ†ใ‚’ๆƒณๅƒใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€็งใฏ่ชฐใ‹ใ‚’ๅฅฝใใซใชใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
53:55
I wouldn't say it's motivation, but I  would love to say it like encouragement.
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ใƒขใƒใƒ™ใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใจใพใงใฏ่จ€ใˆใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€ ๅŠฑใพใ—ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่จ€ใ„ใŸใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
54:00
I would love to encourage thousands  of thousands of young people like  
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็งใฏใ€็งใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชไฝ•ๅƒไบบใ‚‚ใฎ่‹ฅ่€…ใ‚’ๅŠฑใพใ—ใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
54:04
me because at that time I was isolated and I  did not have somebody to like, encourage me.
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ๅฝ“ๆ™‚็งใฏๅญค็‹ฌใงใ€ ๅฅฝใใซใชใฃใฆๅŠฑใพใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใ‚‹ไบบใ‚‚ใ„ใชใ‹ใฃใŸใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
54:11
You know what it was all about Internal  encouragement, internal motivation.
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ๅ†…้ƒจใฎ ๅŠฑใพใ—ใ€ๅ†…้ƒจใฎๅ‹•ๆฉŸไป˜ใ‘ใŒไฝ•ใงใ‚ใฃใŸใ‹ใฏใ”ๅญ˜็Ÿฅใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
54:18
So I want to be somebody that would share  my knowledge with the world and who will be  
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰็งใฏใ€ ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ็Ÿฅ่ญ˜ใ‚’ไธ–็•Œใจๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ—ใ€
54:26
able to encourage thousands of thousands of,  if not millions of millions of young people.
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ไฝ•็™พไธ‡ไบบใ€ไฝ• ็™พไธ‡ไบบใ‚‚ใฎ่‹ฅ่€…ใ‚’ๅŠฑใพใ™ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ไบบใซใชใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
54:32
Because nowadays many, many of young  people are you losing themselves in  
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ไปŠๆ—ฅใ€้žๅธธใซๅคšใใฎ ่‹ฅ่€…ใŒใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚ทใƒฃใƒซ ใƒกใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใ‚ขใซไฝ•ๆ™‚้–“ใ‚‚่ฒปใ‚„ใ™ใชใฉใ€็„กๅˆ†ๅˆฅใชๆดปๅ‹•ใซๆฒก้ ญใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™
54:36
mindless activities like spending  hours and hours on social media.
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ใ€‚
54:40
So I would visualize my future and I  would feel a lot of positive emotion  
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ใใ‚Œใง็งใฏ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎๅฐ†ๆฅใ‚’ๆƒณๅƒใ—ใ€ ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎใƒใ‚ธใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใชๆ„Ÿๆƒ…ใ‚’ๆ„Ÿใ˜
54:45
and I would study for hours and  hours talking about speaking.
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ใ€ไฝ•ๆ™‚้–“ใ‚‚ใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ญใƒณใ‚ฐใซใคใ„ใฆๅ‹‰ๅผทใ—ใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
54:48
I would sit in front of the mirror  and talk to myself, like for 24/7,  
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็งใฏ้กใฎๅ‰ใซๅบงใฃใฆ ใ€24ๆ™‚้–“ๅนดไธญ็„กไผ‘ใง่‡ชๅˆ†ใซ่ฉฑใ—ใ‹ใ‘ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
54:54
which is an exaggeration, but that's what I did.
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ๅคงใ’ใ•ใงใ™ใŒใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒ็งใŒ่กŒใฃใŸใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
54:57
Drinking a cup of coffee and  talking to myself is something  
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ใ‚ณใƒผใƒ’ใƒผใ‚’้ฃฒใฟใชใŒใ‚‰ ็‹ฌใ‚Š่จ€ใ‚’่จ€ใ†ใฎใฏใ€ใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ญใƒณใ‚ฐใฎ่ณชใ‚’
55:01
that really helped me to increase  the quality of my speaking, yeah.
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้ซ˜ใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใซๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅฝน็ซ‹ใกใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
55:08
That's amazing that you did that.
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ใใ‚Œใ‚’ใ‚„ใฃใŸใฎใฏใ™ใ”ใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
55:11
And I I say that to my students  all the time when they say, oh,  
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใŒใ€Œ ใ‚ใ‚ใ€
55:15
Jennifer, I don't have anyone to speak with.
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ใ‚ธใ‚งใƒ‹ใƒ•ใ‚กใƒผใ€็งใซใฏ่ฉฑใ›ใ‚‹ไบบใŒใ„ใชใ„ใ€ใจ่จ€ใฃใŸใจใใ€็งใฏใ„ใคใ‚‚ใ“ใฎใ“ใจใ‚’่จ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
55:18
I always say you, you don't need another  person, you can open your mouth and just speak.
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็งใฏใ„ใคใ‚‚่จ€ใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€ไป–ใฎไบบใฏๅฟ…่ฆใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ ๅฃใ‚’้–‹ใ„ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ ใใ‚ŒใŒ
55:26
So would you say that was a large part  of improving your speaking skills?
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ญใƒณใ‚ฐ ใ‚นใ‚ญใƒซๅ‘ไธŠใฎๅคงใใช้ƒจๅˆ†ใ‚’ๅ ใ‚ใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
55:31
And what else did you do to  improve your speaking skills?
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ใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ญใƒณใ‚ฐ ใ‚นใ‚ญใƒซใ‚’ๅ‘ไธŠใ•ใ›ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซไป–ใซไฝ•ใ‚’ใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ‹?
55:35
Because this is an area that my students  struggle with the most, their speaking skills.
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ็งใฎ็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใŒ ๆœ€ใ‚‚่‹ฆๅŠดใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅˆ†้‡Žใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ญใƒณใ‚ฐใ‚นใ‚ญใƒซใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
55:41
Yeah, for sure.
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ใˆใˆใ€็ขบใ‹ใซใ€‚
55:42
Well, I want to say something.
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ใ•ใฆใ€่จ€ใ„ใŸใ„ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
55:45
People judge our language skills  based on our our speaking skills.
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ไบบใ€…ใฏ็ง ใŸใกใฎใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ญใƒณใ‚ฐใ‚นใ‚ญใƒซใซๅŸบใฅใ„ใฆ็งใŸใกใฎ่จ€่ชžใ‚นใ‚ญใƒซใ‚’ๅˆคๆ–ญใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
55:51
Nobody's going to come to  you and check your grammar.
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่ชฐใ‚‚ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใจใ“ใ‚ใซๆฅใฆ ๆ–‡ๆณ•ใ‚’ใƒใ‚งใƒƒใ‚ฏใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‚ใ‘ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
55:53
Nobody's going to come to you.
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่ชฐใ‚‚ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใจใ“ใ‚ใซๆฅใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ€‚
55:54
Listening, reading, writing.
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่žใใ€่ชญใ‚€ใ€ๆ›ธใใ€‚
55:56
They are extremely important,  
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ใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฏ้žๅธธใซ้‡่ฆใงใ™ใŒใ€
55:58
but the most important part is speaking  the pronunciation, Talking beautifully,  
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ๆœ€ใ‚‚้‡่ฆใชใฎใฏใ€็™บ้Ÿณใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ใ“ใจ ใ€็พŽใ—ใ่ฉฑใ™ใ“ใจใ€
56:04
having communication skills, being able to  talk with people in a respectful manner.
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ใ‚ณใƒŸใƒฅใƒ‹ใ‚ฑใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใ‚นใ‚ญใƒซใ‚’ๆŒใกใ€ ๆ•ฌๆ„ใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆไบบใ€…ใจ่ฉฑใ™ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
56:10
That's the case and it really motivated me.
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ใใ‚Œใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซไบ‹ๅฎŸใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ็งใซๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅˆบๆฟ€ใ‚’ไธŽใˆใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
56:12
Yes, agree on.
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ใฏใ„ใ€ๅŒๆ„ใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
56:14
I used to talk myself.
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็ง่‡ช่บซใ‚‚ใ‚ˆใ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ็งใซ
56:15
I did not have a partner because as I had  mentioned, I isolated myself from social media,  
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ใƒ‘ใƒผใƒˆใƒŠใƒผใŒใ„ใชใ‹ใฃใŸใฎใฏใ€ๅ‰่ฟฐใ—ใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใซ ใ€็งใŒใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚ทใƒฃใƒซ ใƒกใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใ‚ขใ‹ใ‚‰ๅญค็ซ‹ใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใŸใ‚ใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€
56:21
how I was supposed to have a partner without  being able to active user of like social media.
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ใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚ทใƒฃใƒซ ใƒกใƒ‡ใ‚ฃใ‚ขใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚ขใ‚ฏใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ– ใƒฆใƒผใ‚ถใƒผใŒใงใใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใ€ใƒ‘ใƒผใƒˆใƒŠใƒผใŒใ„ใ‚‹ใฏใšใŒใชใ‹ใฃใŸใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
56:29
So I would sit in my bedroom and I used to talk to  myself like a lot because I enjoyed the process.
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ใใ‚Œใง็งใฏๅฏๅฎคใซๅบงใฃใฆใ€ ใใฎใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ปใ‚นใŒๆฅฝใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใฎใงใ‚ˆใ็‹ฌใ‚Š่จ€ใ‚’่จ€ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
56:35
I created a study area and I I really liked it.
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ๅ‹‰ๅผทใ‚นใƒšใƒผใ‚นใ‚’ไฝœใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใŒใ€ใจใฆใ‚‚ๆฐ—ใซๅ…ฅใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
56:40
Language should not be complicated.
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่จ€่ชžใฏ่ค‡้›‘ใงใ‚ใฃใฆใฏใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
56:43
It should be interesting.
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้ข็™ฝใ„ใฏใšใงใ™ใ€‚
56:44
It should be something that  people enjoy learning, yes.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใ€ไบบใ€…ใŒๆฅฝใ—ใๅญฆในใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใงใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
56:51
And Mustafa, you've achieved  such a high level of fluency,  
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ใใ—ใฆใƒ ใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒ•ใ‚กใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ ้žๅธธใซ้ซ˜ใ„ใƒฌใƒ™ใƒซใฎๆตๆšขใ•ใ‚’้”ๆˆใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™
56:56
but I do want to ask you about this 6 to 12 hours  a day, because that's a very long time, and I'm  
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ใŒใ€ใ“ใฎ 1 ๆ—ฅ 6 ๏ฝž 12 ๆ™‚้–“ใซใคใ„ใฆใŠ่žใใ—ใŸใ„ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚ ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ้žๅธธใซ้•ทใ„ๆ™‚้–“ใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€
57:04
going to assume that my students watching this  don't have 6 to 12 hours a day to study English.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆใ„ใ‚‹็งใฎ็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใฏ็†่งฃ ใงใใชใ„ใจๆ€ใ†ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚ ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ๅ‹‰ๅผทใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใซ1ๆ—ฅ6ๆ™‚้–“ใ‹ใ‚‰12ๆ™‚้–“ใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
57:11
So how would you recommend that students who  
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ใงใฏใ€1
57:15
only have one hour or less a day can  get real results with their English?
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ๆ—ฅใซ 1 ๆ™‚้–“ไปฅไธ‹ใ—ใ‹ๆ™‚้–“ใŒใชใ„็”Ÿๅพ’ใŒ ่‹ฑ่ชžใง็œŸใฎๆˆๆžœใ‚’ไธŠใ’ใ‚‹ใซใฏใ€ใฉใ†ใ™ใ‚Œใฐใ‚ˆใ„ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹?
57:23
Well, we all think that we don't have time,  but we have on the way when doing some irony.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€็งใŸใกใฏ็š†ใ€ๆ™‚้–“ใŒใชใ„ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€ ็šฎ่‚‰ใชใ“ใจใซใ€ๆ™‚้–“ใฏใพใ ใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
57:29
When washing clothes, when washing the dishes,  
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่กฃๆœใ‚’ๆด—ใ†ใจใใ€็šฟใ‚’ๆด—ใ†ใจใใ€ไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’
57:33
when when we are eating  something, we all have time.
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้ฃŸในใ‚‹ใจใ ใ€็งใŸใกใซใฏ่ชฐใงใ‚‚ๆ™‚้–“ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
57:37
We could passively listen to something.
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็งใŸใกใฏๅ—ๅ‹•็š„ใซไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’่žใใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
57:40
That's what I used to do while doing irony.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็งใŒ็šฎ่‚‰ใ‚’่จ€ใ„ใชใŒใ‚‰ใ‚„ใฃใฆใ„ใŸใ“ใจใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
57:43
While you know, committing to somewhere.
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ใ‚ใ‹ใฃใฆใ„ใชใŒใ‚‰ใ€ใฉใ“ใ‹ใซใ‚ณใƒŸใƒƒใƒˆใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ€‚
57:47
I would listen to podcasts.
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ใƒใƒƒใƒ‰ใ‚ญใƒฃใ‚นใƒˆใ‚’่žใ„ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
57:49
Well, not specifically podcasts,  but I would watch filaments.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€็‰นใซใƒใƒƒใƒ‰ใ‚ญใƒฃใ‚นใƒˆใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ ใŒใ€ใƒ•ใ‚ฃใƒฉใƒกใƒณใƒˆใ‚’่ฆ‹ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
57:52
I would watch movies on the way.
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้€”ไธญใงๆ˜ ็”ปใ‚’่ฆ‹ใŸใ‚Šใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
57:55
So by doing this, I would at least spend 2 hours  passively listening to something in English.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’่กŒใ†ใ“ใจใงใ€ๅฐ‘ใชใใจใ‚‚ 2 ๆ™‚้–“ใฏ ่‹ฑ่ชžใงไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’่žใใ“ใจใซๅ—ๅ‹•็š„ใซ่ฒปใ‚„ใ™ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
58:02
So we have time.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ๆ™‚้–“ใฏใ‚ใ‚‹ใ€‚
58:03
So if somebody has like one hour, I think  that person has to do some analysis.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€1 ๆ™‚้–“ใปใฉๆ™‚้–“ใŒใ‚ใ‚Œใฐใ€ ใใฎไบบใฏไฝ•ใ‚‰ใ‹ใฎๅˆ†ๆžใ‚’่กŒใ†ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
58:08
Do I have some time on the way?
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้€”ไธญใงๅฐ‘ใ—ๆ™‚้–“ใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
58:10
Do I have some time while eating?
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้ฃŸไบ‹ไธญใซๅฐ‘ใ—ๆ™‚้–“ใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
58:13
Because to some extent you have  to be like you have to be a bit  
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€
58:17
selfish when educating yourself  instead of like you know what?
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่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใ‚’ๆ•™่‚ฒใ™ใ‚‹้š›ใซใฏใ€ใ€Œ ใ‚ใ‹ใฃใฆใ‚‹๏ผŸใ€ใงใฏใชใใ€ใ‚ใ‚‹็จ‹ๅบฆใ€ใ€Œๅฐ‘ใ—ๅˆฉๅทฑ็š„ใงใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ€ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚‰ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
58:22
Instead of eating your instead of having  lunch with your friends and gossiping,  
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ๅ‹้”ใจใƒฉใƒณใƒใ‚’ใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ€ใŠใ—ใ‚ƒในใ‚Šใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ไปฃใ‚ใ‚Šใซใ€
58:28
be a little bit selfish.
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ๅฐ‘ใ—ๅˆฉๅทฑ็š„ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
58:30
Listen to something in English and have  your dinner or lunch like like studying.
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่‹ฑ่ชžใงไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’่žใ„ใฆใ€ ๅ‹‰ๅผทใ™ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๅค•้ฃŸใพใŸใฏๆ˜ผ้ฃŸใ‚’ใจใ‚Šใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
58:36
Because look, once we become educated,  
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€็งใŸใกใŒๆ•™่‚ฒใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ใ‚‹ใจใ€
58:39
once we become highly knowledgeable and  then we will start educating others.
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้žๅธธใซ็Ÿฅ่ญ˜ใŒ่ฑŠๅฏŒใซใชใ‚Šใ€ ใใฎๅพŒใ€ไป–ใฎไบบใ‚’ๆ•™่‚ฒใ—ๅง‹ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
58:44
So it's OK to be selfish to some extent, yeah.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚ใ‚‹็จ‹ๅบฆใฏใ‚ใŒใพใพใซใชใฃใฆใ‚‚ๅคงไธˆๅคซใงใ™ใ€ใฏใ„ใ€‚
58:50
That's a very good point.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใจใฆใ‚‚่‰ฏใ„็‚นใงใ™ใ€‚
58:51
And for myself personally, it takes me about half  an hour to do my hair and makeup in the morning,  
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็งๅ€‹ไบบใฎๅ ดๅˆใ€ ๆœใƒ˜ใ‚ขใจใƒกใ‚คใ‚ฏใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใซ็ด„ 30 ๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ใพใŸใ€
58:58
and it takes me about half an hour to prepare  my lunch, eat and clean up after my lunch.
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ๆ˜ผ้ฃŸใฎๆบ–ๅ‚™ใ€้ฃŸไบ‹ใ€ๆ˜ผ้ฃŸๅพŒใฎ็‰‡ใฅใ‘ใซ็ด„ 30 ๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
59:05
And I always make sure I do something educational,  listening to a podcast or training on a specific  
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใฎ้–“ใฏใƒใƒƒใƒ‰ใ‚ญใƒฃใ‚นใƒˆใ‚’่žใ„ใŸใ‚Šใ€็‰นๅฎšใฎใƒˆใƒ”ใƒƒใ‚ฏใซ้–ขใ™ใ‚‹ใƒˆใƒฌใƒผใƒ‹ใƒณใ‚ฐใ‚’ใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ—ใฆใ€ๅธธใซไฝ•ใ‹ๆ•™่‚ฒ็š„ใชใ“ใจใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™
59:13
topic during that time, so I'm able to learn  and develop for one hour every single day.
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ใ€‚ใใ†ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ€ๆฏŽๆ—ฅ 1 ๆ™‚้–“ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ—ใ€ๆˆ้•ทใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
59:20
Say, that would have just been wasted time because  I'm just doing my hair and makeup or eating.
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ใƒ˜ใ‚ขใƒกใ‚คใ‚ฏใ‚’ใ—ใŸใ‚Š้ฃŸไบ‹ใ‚’ใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใชใฎใงใ€ใใ‚ŒใฏใŸใ ใฎๆ™‚้–“ใฎ็„ก้ง„ใงใ™ใ€‚
59:26
So it's a really smart strategy to find  wasted time and turn it into productive time.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ ็„ก้ง„ใชๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใฆ็”Ÿ็”ฃ็š„ใชๆ™‚้–“ใซๅค‰ใˆใ‚‹ใฎใฏ้žๅธธใซ่ณขใ„ๆˆฆ็•ฅใงใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚ใชใŸ
59:34
And why don't you share a little  bit about your your sleep schedule?
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ใฎ็ก็œ ใ‚นใ‚ฑใ‚ธใƒฅใƒผใƒซใซใคใ„ใฆๅฐ‘ใ—ๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ—ใฆใฟใฆใฏใ„ใ‹ใŒใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹? ใ‚‚ใฃใจๆ—ฉใ
59:38
Did you have to wake up  earlier or go to bed later?
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่ตทใใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ‹ใ€ใใ‚Œใจใ‚‚ ้…ใๅฏใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ‹?
59:42
Or how did you incorporate your your sleep  schedule with your learning schedule?
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ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ„ใฏใ€็ก็œ  ใ‚นใ‚ฑใ‚ธใƒฅใƒผใƒซใ‚’ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ‚นใ‚ฑใ‚ธใƒฅใƒผใƒซใซใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ็ต„ใฟๅ…ฅใ‚Œใพใ—ใŸใ‹?
59:47
Oh, I had a very healthy, sleepy schedule.
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใจใฆใ‚‚ๅฅๅบท็š„ใง็œ ใ„ใ‚นใ‚ฑใ‚ธใƒฅใƒผใƒซใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
59:50
I would go to bed at 8:30 PM around that time  and wake up at 4:00 or 4:00 AM or 4:30 AM.
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ใใฎ้ ƒใ€็งใฏๅˆๅพŒ 8 ๆ™‚ 30 ๅˆ†ใซๅฏใฆ ใ€ๅˆๅ‰ 4 ๆ™‚ใ‹ๅˆๅ‰ 4 ๆ™‚ใ‹ๅˆๅ‰ 4 ๆ™‚ๅŠใซ่ตทใใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
60:00
So I had a very healthy sleeping schedule.
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ใใฎใŸใ‚ใ€็งใฏ้žๅธธใซๅฅๅบท็š„ใช็ก็œ ใ‚นใ‚ฑใ‚ธใƒฅใƒผใƒซใ‚’็ซ‹ใฆใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
60:03
And then after waking up, I would  immediately take a cold shower  
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็›ฎใŒ่ฆšใ‚ใŸใ‚‰ใ€ ใ™ใใซๅ†ทๆฐดใ‚ทใƒฃใƒฏใƒผใ‚’ๆตดใณใŸใ‚Š
60:06
or go for running because that really  helped me to feel fresh before studying.
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ใ€ใƒฉใƒณใƒ‹ใƒณใ‚ฐใ‚’ใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ใใ†ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ€ ๅ‹‰ๅผทใ™ใ‚‹ๅ‰ใซใƒชใƒ•ใƒฌใƒƒใ‚ทใƒฅใงใใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
60:12
And I would absolutely drink a cup of coffee.
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ใใ—ใฆ็งใฏ็ตถๅฏพใซใ‚ณใƒผใƒ’ใƒผใ‚’้ฃฒใฟใพใ™ใ€‚
60:16
That's what I would do because it was quiet.
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้™ใ‹ใ ใฃใŸใ‹ใ‚‰ใใ†ใ™ใ‚‹ใคใ‚‚ใ‚Šใ ใฃใŸใ€‚
60:18
I would study in silence.
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้ป™ใฃใฆๅ‹‰ๅผทใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
60:20
Everybody was sleeping, but  I was developing myself.
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่ชฐใ‚‚ใŒๅฏใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใŒใ€ ็งใฏ่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใ‚’ๆˆ้•ทใ•ใ›ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
60:23
This was also one element.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‚่ฆ็ด ใฎไธ€ใคใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
60:26
Which helped me, you know, get  motivated and study continuously,  
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ใใฎใŠใ‹ใ’ใงใ€็งใฏ ใ‚„ใ‚‹ๆฐ—ใ‚’ๅ‡บใ—ใฆ็ถ™็ถš็š„ใซๅ‹‰ๅผทใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ€
60:30
waking up earlier than everybody else and  drinking coffee and starting my studies.
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ไป–ใฎไบบใ‚ˆใ‚Šใ‚‚ๆ—ฉใ่ตทใใฆ ใ‚ณใƒผใƒ’ใƒผใ‚’้ฃฒใฟใชใŒใ‚‰ๅ‹‰ๅผทใ‚’ๅง‹ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
60:36
Yep.
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ใฏใ„ใ€‚
60:38
Well, it sounds like you found many different ways  
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€่‹ฑ่ชžๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ‚’ๆ—ฅๅธธใซๅŠ ใˆใ‚‹ใ•ใพใ–ใพใชๆ–นๆณ•ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
60:41
to add learning English to your  daily routine, so that's great.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
60:47
Now, one thing I hear from my students a lot is  that they've been learning for years and years,  
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ใ•ใฆใ€็งใŒ็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใ‹ใ‚‰ใ‚ˆใ่žใใ“ใจใฎ 1 ใคใฏใ€ ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏไฝ•ๅนดใ‚‚ไฝ•ๅนดใ‚‚ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ—ใฆใใŸใฎใงใ€
60:55
and they feel like they've gained a lot  of vocabulary, gained a lot of grammar.
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ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎ่ชžๅฝ™ใ‚„ๆ–‡ๆณ•ใ‚’็ฒๅพ—ใ—ใŸใจๆ„Ÿใ˜ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ ใ€‚
61:01
But when they go to use it in a conversation,  
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ไผš่ฉฑใฎไธญใงใใ‚Œใ‚’ไฝฟใŠใ†ใจใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ€ไปŠ
61:04
like we're having a conversation  right now, their mind goes blank.
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็งใŸใกใŒไผš่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใจๅŒใ˜ใ‚ˆใ†ใซ ใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฎ้ ญใฏ็œŸใฃ็™ฝใซใชใฃใฆใ—ใพใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ่‡ชๅˆ†
61:08
They forget all their words, they're shy, they're  nervous and they're not able to communicate.
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ใฎ่จ€่‘‰ใ‚’ใ™ในใฆๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใ€ๆฅใšใ‹ใ—ใŒใ‚Šๅฑ‹ใง ็ทŠๅผตใ—ใฆใŠใ‚Šใ€ใ‚ณใƒŸใƒฅใƒ‹ใ‚ฑใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใŒๅ–ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
61:13
Whereas right now you are  communicating very successfully.
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ไธ€ๆ–นใ€็พๅœจใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ ้žๅธธใซใ†ใพใใ‚ณใƒŸใƒฅใƒ‹ใ‚ฑใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
61:16
So did you struggle with that?
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ใใ‚Œใง่‹ฆๅŠดใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ‹๏ผŸ
61:18
How did you overcome that?
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ใใ‚Œใ‚’ใฉใ†ใ‚„ใฃใฆๅ…‹ๆœใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ‹๏ผŸ ใพใŸใ€
61:20
And how would you recommend that my students who  
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61:23
are experiencing that issue  can overcome that as well?
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ใใฎๅ•้กŒใ‚’็ตŒ้จ“ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใซใ‚‚ ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅ…‹ๆœใงใใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๅ‹งใ‚ใพใ™ใ‹?
61:28
Well, there there are two ways.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ๆ–นๆณ•ใฏ 2 ใคใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
61:30
Like there's a passive vocabulary  and there's an active vocabulary.
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ๅ—ๅ‹•็š„ใช่ชžๅฝ™ ใจ่ƒฝๅ‹•็š„ใช่ชžๅฝ™ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใจๅŒใ˜ใงใ™ใ€‚
61:34
Well, in terms of active vocabulary, I learned  vocab, as I had mentioned, by jotting down a  
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ใ•ใฆใ€ใ‚ขใ‚ฏใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใช่ชžๅฝ™ใจใ„ใ†็‚นใงใฏใ€ๅ…ˆใปใฉใ‚‚ ่ฟฐในใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€
61:40
lot of beautiful expressions and putting on  my wall and deliberately practicing them.
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ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎ็พŽใ—ใ„่กจ็พใ‚’ๆ›ธใ็•™ใ‚ใฆใ€ๅฃใซ่ฒผใ‚Šไป˜ใ‘ใฆ ๆ„ๅ›ณ็š„ใซ็ทด็ฟ’ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใง่ชžๅฝ™ใ‚’ๅญฆใณใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
61:46
What I mean by that, I would sit in front  of the mirror and I would take expression.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€้กใฎๅ‰ใซๅบงใฃใฆ ่กจๆƒ…ใ‚’ๆ’ฎใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
61:51
Let's say people have  different likes and dislikes.
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ไบบใซใ‚ˆใฃใฆ ๅฅฝใๅซŒใ„ใŒ็•ฐใชใ‚‹ใจใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
61:53
That's one.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ 1 ใคใงใ™ใ€‚ ใจใ„ใ†
61:55
The the expression.
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่กจ็พใ€‚
61:56
Yeah, I would flexibly use it like people  
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ๆœฌใ‚’่ชญใ‚€ใ“ใจใซ้–ขใ—ใฆใฏใ€ไบบใซใ‚ˆใฃใฆๅฅฝใๅซŒใ„ใŒ็•ฐใชใ‚‹ใฎใจๅŒใ˜ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ๆŸ”่ปŸใซไฝฟใ„ใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
61:59
have different likes and dislikes  when it comes to reading books.
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ใ€‚
62:03
Yeah, some people like different types of genres  while others like different types of genres.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ใ•ใพใ–ใพใชใ‚ฟใ‚คใƒ—ใฎใ‚ธใƒฃใƒณใƒซใ‚’ๅฅฝใ‚€ไบบใ‚‚ใ„ใ‚Œใฐใ€ ใ•ใพใ–ใพใชใ‚ฟใ‚คใƒ—ใฎใ‚ธใƒฃใƒณใƒซใ‚’ๅฅฝใ‚€ไบบใ‚‚ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
62:09
So by using great language chunks  and deliberately practicing them  
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ใใฎใŸใ‚ใ€ๅ„ชใ‚ŒใŸ่จ€่ชžใฎๅกŠใ‚’ไฝฟ็”จใ— ใ€้กใฎๅ‰ใงๆ„ๅ›ณ็š„ใซ็ทด็ฟ’ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใง
62:15
in front of the mirror, I was  able to actively use my vocab.
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ใ€ ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ่ชžๅฝ™ใ‚’็ฉๆฅต็š„ใซไฝฟ็”จใงใใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
62:19
And it's OK.
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62:19
It's OK to forget vocab.
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ใใ‚Œใงๅคงไธˆๅคซใงใ™ใ€‚
่ชžๅฝ™ใฏๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใฆใ‚‚ๅคงไธˆๅคซใงใ™ใ€‚
62:21
It's OK.
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ๅคงไธˆๅคซใงใ™ใ€‚
62:22
It's all about the process.
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ใ™ในใฆใฏใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ปใ‚นใงใ™ใ€‚
62:23
And it also comes down to confidence.
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ใใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใฏ่‡ชไฟกใซใ‚‚ใคใชใŒใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
62:25
Look, people should not be like people,  should not be very shy in front of people,  
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ใปใ‚‰ใ€ไบบใฏไบบใ‚‰ใ—ใใ‚ใฃใฆใฏใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ—ใ€ ไบบใฎๅ‰ใงใ‚ใพใ‚Šๆฅใšใ‹ใ—ใŒใฃใฆใฏใ„ใ‘ใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
62:31
because everybody's going through something,  everybody's learning this language.
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่ชฐใ‚‚ใŒไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’็ตŒ้จ“ใ—ใฆใ„ใฆใ€ ่ชฐใ‚‚ใŒใ“ใฎ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
62:35
How can you be shy when learning language?
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่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๅญฆใถใจใใซใฉใ†ใ—ใฆๆฅใšใ‹ใ—ใŒใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใฎใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹๏ผŸ
62:40
It it's very bad.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใจใฆใ‚‚ๆ‚ชใ„ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
62:41
So you have to first of all tell yourself,  hey, everybody's going through it's OK.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ใพใš่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใซใ€ใ€Œ ใฟใ‚“ใชใŒ็ตŒ้จ“ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏๅคงไธˆๅคซใ ใ€ใจ่จ€ใ„่žใ‹ใ›ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
62:46
It's OK to make mistakes.
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้–“้•ใ„ใ‚’็Šฏใ—ใฆใ‚‚ๅคงไธˆๅคซใงใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚ฆใ‚ฉใƒƒใ‚ซใ‚’
62:47
It's OK to make, it's OK to forget vodka, and  it's OK to feel embarrassed from time to time.
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ไฝœใฃใฆใ‚‚ๅคงไธˆๅคซใ€ใ‚ฆใ‚ฉใƒƒใ‚ซใ‚’ๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใฆใ‚‚ๅคงไธˆๅคซใ€ ๆ™‚ใ€…ๆฅใšใ‹ใ—ใ„ๆ€ใ„ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ‚‚ๅคงไธˆๅคซใงใ™ใ€‚
62:55
And in this way you build confidence.
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ใใ—ใฆใ“ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ—ใฆ่‡ชไฟกใ‚’็ฏ‰ใใพใ™ใ€‚
62:58
That's what I used to do.
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ใใ‚ŒใŒ็งใŒใ‚„ใฃใฆใ„ใŸไบ‹ใงใ™ใ€‚
63:00
I went through a lot.
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ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎใ“ใจใ‚’็ตŒ้จ“ใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
63:02
It's not OK.
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ใใ‚Œใฏๅคงไธˆๅคซใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
63:03
It's it's not easy to wake up at the  same time, go to bed at the same time.
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ๅŒใ˜ๆ™‚้–“ใซ่ตทใใฆใ€ๅŒใ˜ๆ™‚้–“ใซๅฏใ‚‹ใฎใฏ็ฐกๅ˜ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
63:07
It was not easy to study for 6 to 12 hours.
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6ๆ™‚้–“ใ‹ใ‚‰12ๆ™‚้–“ๅ‹‰ๅผทใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใฏ็ฐกๅ˜ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
63:11
It was not easy to feel embarrassed.
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ๆฅใšใ‹ใ—ใ„ใจๆ„Ÿใ˜ใ‚‹ใฎใฏ็ฐกๅ˜ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
63:13
When I was giving lectures, it was not  easy but by learning from my mistakes,  
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่ฌ›็พฉใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใจใใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ ็ฐกๅ˜ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใŒใ€ๅคฑๆ•—ใ‹ใ‚‰ๅญฆใถใ“ใจใงใ€
63:19
I learned and that and I am still learning.
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ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅญฆใณใ€ไปŠใ‚‚ๅญฆใณ็ถšใ‘ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
63:23
I sometimes cannot use vodka, but that's OK.
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ใ‚ฆใ‚ฉใƒƒใ‚ซใŒไฝฟใˆใชใ„ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใŒใ€ๅคงไธˆๅคซใงใ™ใ€‚
63:26
It's as I had mentioned it's a lifelong learning.
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ๅ…ˆใปใฉใ‚‚่จ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใŒใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ็”Ÿๆถฏๅญฆ็ฟ’ใงใ™ใ€‚
63:29
So again.
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ใใ‚ŒใงใฏใพใŸใ€‚
63:32
So you embrace the fact that mistakes  are normal, you expect mistakes,  
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€้–“้•ใ„ใฏๆญฃๅธธใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ไบ‹ๅฎŸใ‚’ๅ—ใ‘ๅ…ฅใ‚Œ ใ€้–“้•ใ„ใ‚’ไบˆๆƒณใ—ใ€
63:37
and you actively practice, and through that  practice you're able to gain confidence.
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็ฉๆฅต็š„ใซ็ทด็ฟ’ใ—ใ€ใใฎ ็ทด็ฟ’ใ‚’้€šใ˜ใฆ่‡ชไฟกใ‚’ๅพ—ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
63:43
Now imagine if a student watching this could  
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ใ“ใ“ใงใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆใ„ใ‚‹็”Ÿๅพ’ใŒ่‹ฑ่ชžใฎๆตๆšขใ•ใ‚’ๅ‘ไธŠใ•ใ›ใ‚‹
63:47
only do one thing this week to  improve their English fluency.
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ใŸใ‚ใซไปŠ้€ฑใงใใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ 1 ใคใ ใ‘่กŒใ†ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใจๆƒณๅƒใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ ใ€‚
63:54
If they could only do one thing,  what would you recommend they do?
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใŒ 1 ใคใฎใ“ใจใ—ใ‹ใงใใชใ„ใจใ—ใŸใ‚‰ใ€ ไฝ•ใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซๅ‹งใ‚ใพใ™ใ‹ใ€‚
63:58
Listening and speaking are connected.
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่žใใ“ใจใจ่ฉฑใ™ใ“ใจใฏใคใชใŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
64:00
They are both connected.
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ใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฏไธกๆ–นใจใ‚‚ๆŽฅ็ถšใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
64:02
The more you listen to something,  the better you get at speaking.
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ไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’่žใ‘ใฐ่žใใปใฉใ€ ่ฉฑใ™ใฎใŒไธŠๆ‰‹ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
64:04
But it doesn't mean the fact  that you shouldn't speak.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใ€ ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใฏใ„ใ‘ใชใ„ใจใ„ใ†ๆ„ๅ‘ณใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
64:06
You have to speak, and I'm 100% sure  that student has time on the way.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ่ฉฑใ•ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€ ใใฎ็”Ÿๅพ’ใซใฏ้€”ไธญใงๆ™‚้–“ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจ็งใฏ 100% ็ขบไฟกใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
64:12
You could talk to yourself.
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่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใซ่ฉฑใ—ใ‹ใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
64:13
If you are feeling embarrassed, just  put on your earphones and start talking  
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ๆฅใšใ‹ใ—ใ„ใจๆ„Ÿใ˜ใŸๅ ดๅˆใฏใ€ ใ‚คใƒคใƒ›ใƒณใ‚’่ฃ…็€ใ—ใฆ่ฉฑใ—ๅง‹ใ‚ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ใใ†ใ™ใ‚Œใฐใ€ใ‚ใชใŸ
64:17
so that people know you're talking with somebody.
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ใŒ่ชฐใ‹ใจ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒไป–ใฎไบบใซใ‚ใ‹ใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
64:21
Yes, before going to bed, talk to yourself.
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ใใ†ใ€ๅฏใ‚‹ๅ‰ใซ็‹ฌใ‚Š่จ€ใ‚’่จ€ใฃใฆใฟใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
64:24
But what I mostly recommend  is listening to something  
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€็งใŒๆœ€ใ‚‚ใŠๅ‹งใ‚ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใฏใ€
64:27
that you actually you are actually interested in.
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ๅฎŸ้š›ใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’่žใใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚ๅ‰่ฟฐใ—ใŸ
64:30
As I had mentioned, listening,  speaking are connected.
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ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€่žใใ“ใจใจ ่ฉฑใ™ใ“ใจใฏใคใชใŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
64:34
I used to watch movies.
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็งใฏใ‚ˆใๆ˜ ็”ปใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
64:35
I used to watch TV series like friends.
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็งใฏๅ‹้”ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใƒ†ใƒฌใƒ“ใ‚ทใƒชใƒผใ‚บใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
64:38
Yeah, like 10 seasons.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€10ใ‚ทใƒผใ‚บใƒณใใ‚‰ใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
64:40
I used to watch friends like for hours and hours.
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็งใฏๅ‹้”ใ‚’ไฝ•ๆ™‚้–“ใ‚‚่ฆ‹ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
64:44
And I, I, I, I was even like, I even  forgot the time was flying, you know,  
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใ€็งใ€็งใฏใ€ ๆ™‚้–“ใŒ็ตŒใคใฎใ‚’ๅฟ˜ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใปใฉใงใ—ใŸใ€
64:50
So I watched things based on my curiosity.
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ใใ‚Œใง็งใฏๅฅฝๅฅ‡ๅฟƒใซๅŸบใฅใ„ใฆ็‰ฉไบ‹ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
64:54
So once again, listening and speaking  are connected with each other.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ใ‚‚ใ†ไธ€ๅบฆ่จ€ใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€่žใใ“ใจใจ่ฉฑใ™ใ“ใจใฏ ็›ธไบ’ใซ้–ข้€ฃใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
64:58
They are not so academic.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏใใ‚Œใปใฉๅญฆ่ก“็š„ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
65:00
You don't have to study a lot of grammar.
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ๆ–‡ๆณ•ใ‚’ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ๅ‹‰ๅผทใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
65:01
You don't have to sit down and do a lot of tests.
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ๅบงใฃใฆใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎใƒ†ใ‚นใƒˆใ‚’่กŒใ†ๅฟ…่ฆใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
65:05
The the more you listen to something,  the better you get that speaking.
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ไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’่žใ‘ใฐ่žใใปใฉใ€ ใ‚ˆใ‚ŠไธŠๆ‰‹ใซ่ฉฑใ™ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
65:09
But also talk to yourself.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใซใ‚‚่ฉฑใ—ใ‹ใ‘ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
65:13
Very great advice.
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ใจใฆใ‚‚็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ‚ขใƒ‰ใƒใ‚คใ‚นใงใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ‚นใƒˆใƒผใƒชใƒผใ‚’็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใจ
65:14
Thank you so much for sharing  your story with everyone.
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ๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใ ใใ€ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
65:17
And why don't we end by you can tell everyone  what are you doing now with your English fluency.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ ๆตๆšขใช่‹ฑ่ชžใงไปŠไฝ•ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ใ‚’ใฟใ‚“ใชใซไผใˆใฆ็ต‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใซใ—ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚ ใงใฏใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎ็ตๆžœใ‚’
65:24
So now that you have achieved  these results, what are you doing?
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้”ๆˆใ—ใŸไปŠ ใ€ไฝ•ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
65:29
How are you using your English  skills on a regular basis?
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๆ™ฎๆฎตใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚นใ‚ญใƒซใ‚’ใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๆดป็”จใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹ ?
65:33
And also please share how my  students can connect with you.
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ใพใŸใ€็งใฎ ็”Ÿๅพ’ใŒใ‚ใชใŸใจใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใคใชใŒใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใ‹ใซใคใ„ใฆใ‚‚ๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
65:36
All right, so right now I'm  doing a lot of teaching online.
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ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚็พๅœจใ€็งใฏ ใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณใงๅคšใใฎใ“ใจใ‚’ๆ•™ใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
65:40
I'm about to start my own YouTube channel,  which is going to happen this year,  
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็งใฏ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ YouTube ใƒใƒฃใƒณใƒใƒซใ‚’็ซ‹ใกไธŠใ’ใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ไปŠๅนดไธญใซใฏใใ†ใชใ‚‹ไบˆๅฎšใงใ™
65:44
but right now I'm doing a lot  of teaching online on Telegram.
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ใŒใ€็พๅœจใฏ Telegram ใงใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณใงๅคšใใฎใ“ใจใ‚’ๆ•™ใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
65:49
If you search islands with Mustafa,  Double F in Mustafa, you can find me.
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ใƒ ใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒ•ใ‚กใ€ ใƒ ใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒ•ใ‚กใฎใƒ€ใƒ–ใƒซFใงๅณถใ‚’ๆŽขใ›ใฐใ€็งใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
65:56
Apart from that we have started very gigantic  project teaching over 500 students in Uzbekistan.
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ใใ‚Œใจใฏๅˆฅใซใ€็งใŸใกใฏ ใ‚ฆใ‚บใƒ™ใ‚ญใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒณใง500ไบบไปฅไธŠใฎ็”Ÿๅพ’ใ‚’ๆ•™ใˆใ‚‹้žๅธธใซๅทจๅคงใชใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ธใ‚งใ‚ฏใƒˆใ‚’้–‹ๅง‹ใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
66:03
It's both offline and online.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ‚ชใƒ•ใƒฉใ‚คใƒณใจใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณใฎไธกๆ–นใงใ™ใ€‚
66:06
That's what we are doing and  recently I made a visit to  
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ใใ‚ŒใŒ็งใŸใกใŒ่กŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€ ๆœ€่ฟ‘็งใฏ
66:11
to to Arabic countries like Abu Dhabi and Dubai.
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ใ‚ขใƒ–ใƒ€ใƒ“ใ‚„ใƒ‰ใƒใ‚คใชใฉใฎใ‚ขใƒฉใƒ“ใ‚ข่ซธๅ›ฝใ‚’่จชๅ•ใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
66:14
Believe it or not, my language  skills, Oh my God, helped massively.
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ไฟกใ˜ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใชใ„ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒใ€็งใฎ่จ€่ชž ใ‚นใ‚ญใƒซใŒๅคงใ„ใซๅฝนใซ็ซ‹ใกใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
66:19
I was able to have a wide connection, network  talking to local lot ups, talking to millionaires.
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็งใฏๅน…ๅบƒใ„ใคใชใŒใ‚Šใ‚’ๆŒใคใ“ใจใŒใงใใ€ ๅœฐๅ…ƒใฎไธๅ‹•็”ฃๆฅญ่€…ใ‚„ๅ„„ไธ‡้•ท่€…ใจ่ฉฑใ™ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
66:25
I'm going to tell one story.
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ไธ€ใคใฎ่ฉฑใ‚’ใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
66:27
There.
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66:27
There was a guy, there was  a man sitting in a hospital.
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ใใ“ใซใฏใ€‚
็—…้™ขใซๅบงใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹็”ทใŒใ„ใŸใ€‚
66:31
So I stroke up a conversation with him.
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ใใ‚Œใง็งใฏๅฝผใจไผš่ฉฑใ‚’ๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
66:33
Hey, how are you?
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ใ‚„ใ‚ใ€ใŠๅ…ƒๆฐ—ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
66:34
Can I have a can I have a talk?
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่ฉฑใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใ„ใ„ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
66:36
I'm from Uzbekistan, so by showing my emotions,  
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็งใฏใ‚ฆใ‚บใƒ™ใ‚ญใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒณๅ‡บ่บซใชใฎใงใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎๆ„Ÿๆƒ…ใ‚„ใ‚คใƒณใƒˆใƒใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใ‚’่ฆ‹ใ›ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใง
66:39
my intonation, I was able to  talk with him and get his number.
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ใ€ ๅฝผใจไผš่ฉฑใ—ใ€้›ป่ฉฑ็•ชๅทใ‚’่žใใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
66:44
It turned out he was the CEO of the company  which manufacturers robots and motorcycles.
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ๅฝผใฏใƒญใƒœใƒƒใƒˆใจใ‚ชใƒผใƒˆใƒใ‚คใ‚’่ฃฝ้€ ใ™ใ‚‹ไผš็คพใฎ CEO ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒๅˆคๆ˜Žใ—ใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
66:52
What I mean by that, the better you  speak, the more connections you will have.
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ไธŠๆ‰‹ใซ ่ฉฑใ›ใฐ่ฉฑใ™ใปใฉใ€ใ‚ˆใ‚ŠๅคšใใฎใคใชใŒใ‚ŠใŒๅพ—ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
66:58
So right now I am working on  myself in every possible way,  
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ไปŠใ€็งใฏ ใ‚ใ‚‰ใ‚†ใ‚‹ๆ–นๆณ•ใง่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใ‚’็ฃจใใ€
67:02
doing a lot of teaching,  preparing for my uni and so yeah.
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ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎใ“ใจใ‚’ๆ•™ใˆใŸใ‚Šใ€ ๅคงๅญฆใฎๆบ–ๅ‚™ใ‚’ใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
67:08
Well, that's so inspiring.
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ใจใฆใ‚‚ๆ„Ÿๅ‹•็š„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
67:10
And I love to hear how you're not just an  English learner, you're an English speaker.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๅ˜ใชใ‚‹ ่‹ฑ่ชžๅญฆ็ฟ’่€…ใงใฏใชใใ€่‹ฑ่ชž่ฉฑ่€…ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’็Ÿฅใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
67:17
You're out there, you're talking to strangers.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๅค–ใซๅ‡บใฆใ€่ฆ‹็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใฌไบบใจ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ“ใฎใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒ“ใƒฅใƒผใ‚’็งใฎใƒใƒฃใƒณใƒใƒซใง
67:20
You approached me to have  this interview on my channel.
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ๅ–ใ‚ŠไธŠใ’ใฆใปใ—ใ„ใจ็งใซ็›ธ่ซ‡ใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
67:24
You're using your English.
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่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ไฝฟใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚“ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
67:25
You're using it to gain connections,  to interact with people, to learn.
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ใคใชใŒใ‚Šใ‚’็ฒๅพ—ใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ€ ไบบใ€…ใจไบคๆตใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ€ๅญฆ็ฟ’ใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซใใ‚Œใ‚’ไฝฟ็”จใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใ‚ใชใŸ
67:31
So thank you so much for sharing your story.
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ใฎ่ฉฑใ‚’ๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใฆๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€‚
67:33
I know it will motivate and inspire  all my students to keep going,  
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ใ“ใ‚ŒใŒ็”Ÿๅพ’ๅ…จๅ“กใฎใƒขใƒใƒ™ใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใ‚’้ซ˜ใ‚ใ€่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚นใ‚ญใƒซใฎๅ‘ไธŠใซๅ‘ใ‘ใฆๅ‰้€ฒใ—็ถšใ‘ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ไฟƒใ™ใ“ใจใซใชใ‚‹ใจ็งใฏ็ขบไฟกใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
67:38
keep pushing to improve their English skills.
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67:40
So thank you again Mustafa.
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ใใ‚Œใงใฏใ€ใƒ ใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒ•ใ‚กใ•ใ‚“ใ€ใพใŸใ‚ˆใ‚ใ—ใใŠ้ก˜ใ„ใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
67:41
Jennifer, thank you for having me.
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ใ‚ธใ‚งใƒ‹ใƒ•ใ‚กใƒผใ€็งใ‚’่ฟŽใˆใฆใใ‚Œใฆใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€‚
67:44
And I am 100% sure that it's going to pay off.
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ใใ—ใฆ็งใฏใใ‚ŒใŒๅฟ…ใšๅ ฑใ‚ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใจ100%็ขบไฟกใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
67:47
If students work on themselves,  it's going to pay off.
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็”Ÿๅพ’ใŒ่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใงๅŠชๅŠ›ใ™ใ‚Œใฐใ€ๅฟ…ใš ๆˆๆžœใŒไธŠใŒใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
67:50
It's really going to be successful.
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ใใ‚Œใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๆˆๅŠŸใ™ใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
67:52
After 50-60 years, they are  going to look back and smile.
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50๏ฝž60ๅนดๅพŒใ€ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ ๆŒฏใ‚Š่ฟ”ใฃใฆ็ฌ‘้ก”ใซใชใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
67:55
So thank you.
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ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
67:57
Thank you so much.
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ใฉใ†ใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€‚ ๅฎŸ่ทตใ™ในใ
67:58
So much advice for you to  put into practice, let's say.
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ใ‚ขใƒ‰ใƒใ‚คใ‚นใŒใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ‚ใ‚‹ใจ ใ—ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
68:02
Thanks Mustafa, thanks Mustafa  in the comments below and make  
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ใƒ ใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒ•ใ‚กใซๆ„Ÿ่ฌใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚ ไปฅไธ‹ใฎใ‚ณใƒกใƒณใƒˆใงใƒ ใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒ•ใ‚กใซๆ„Ÿ่ฌใ—ใ€
68:07
sure you put all of this advice into practice.
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ใ“ใฎใ‚ขใƒ‰ใƒใ‚คใ‚นใ‚’ใ™ในใฆๅฎŸ่ทตใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚
68:10
And if you like this video, please hit the  Like button, share it with your friends,  
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ใ“ใฎๅ‹•็”ปใŒๆฐ—ใซๅ…ฅใฃใŸใ‚‰ใ€ใ€Œใ„ใ„ใญ๏ผ ใ€ใƒœใ‚ฟใƒณใ‚’ๆŠผใ—ใฆๅ‹้”ใจๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ—ใ€
68:14
and subscribe so you're notified  every time I post a new lesson.
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็™ป้Œฒใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ ๆ–ฐใ—ใ„ใƒฌใƒƒใ‚นใƒณใ‚’ๆŠ•็จฟใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใณใซ้€š็ŸฅใŒๅฑŠใใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
68:19
And I have.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใŒๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
68:20
Another interview with more advice for you.
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ใ•ใ‚‰ใชใ‚‹ใ‚ขใƒ‰ใƒใ‚คใ‚นใ‚’ๅซใ‚€ๅˆฅใฎใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒ“ใƒฅใƒผใ€‚
68:22
You can watch it right here.
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ใ“ใ“ใง่ฆ–่ดใงใใพใ™ใ€‚
ใ“ใฎใ‚ฆใ‚งใƒ–ใ‚ตใ‚คใƒˆใซใคใ„ใฆ

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