How to Master English Fluency: Secrets from the Experts

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋œ ์ž๋ง‰์€ ๊ธฐ๊ณ„ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

00:00
Hello my amazing students.
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์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”, ๋‚˜์˜ ๋†€๋ผ์šด ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:02
I am so excited for you because todayย ย 
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์˜ค๋Š˜์€
00:04
you are going to get the bestย  advice to become fluent fast.
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๋นจ๋ฆฌ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์กฐ์–ธ์„ ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธฐ์ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:10
But this advice isn't coming from me.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด ์กฐ์–ธ์€ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ์„œ ๋‚˜์˜จ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:12
This advice is coming from expertย  polyglots and successful language learners.
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์ด ์กฐ์–ธ์€ ์ „๋ฌธ ๋‹ค๊ตญ์–ด ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž์™€ ์„ฑ๊ณต์ ์ธ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋‚˜์˜จ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:18
And they're going to share with youย  their best language learning secrets.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต ๋น„๋ฒ•์„ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๊ณผ ๊ณต์œ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:22
How to become fluent, faster,ย  and mistakes to avoid.
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์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ, ๋” ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ, ํ”ผํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•.
00:27
Welcome back to JForrest English.
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JForrest English์— ๋‹ค์‹œ ์˜ค์‹  ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ™˜์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:29
Of course.
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00:29
I'm Jennifer.
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๋ฌผ๋ก .
์ €๋Š” ์ œ๋‹ˆํผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:30
Now let's get started.
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์ด์ œ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ด ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:31
First, we'll hear from famous polyglot Steveย  Kaufmann, who has learned over 20 languages,ย ย 
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๋จผ์ €, 20๊ฐœ ์ด์ƒ์˜ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šด ์œ ๋ช…ํ•œ ๋‹ค๊ตญ์–ด ์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ ์นด์šฐํ”„๋งŒ(Steve Kaufmann)์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๊ณ 
00:39
and he's going to share his best advice with you.
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์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์กฐ์–ธ์„ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๊ณผ ๊ณต์œ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:43
So Steve, you're a polyglotย  who speaks 20 languages.
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์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ 20๊ฐœ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜๋Š” ๋‹ค์ค‘์–ธ์–ด์ž์ด๊ตฐ์š”.
00:48
What's your secret to learning languages?
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์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๋น„๊ฒฐ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
00:50
First of all, I have to caution you when I say 20.
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์šฐ์„  20์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ๋•Œ ์ฃผ์˜ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ ์€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:54
I have learned 20 at differentย  times to varying degrees.
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์ €๋Š” 20์„ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์‹œ์ ์— ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์ •๋„๋กœ ๋ฐฐ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:57
I can't say that I'm totallyย  fluent in 20 languages.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ 20๊ฐœ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
01:01
I could easily switch into, say, a dozenย  of them and others I would have to refresh.
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด 12๊ฐœ๋กœ ์‰ฝ๊ฒŒ ์ „ํ™˜ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ  ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ์ƒˆ๋กœ ๊ณ ์ณ์•ผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:05
Or I'm in the process of learning and the secretย  is to enjoy the process, just to simply not worryย ย 
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ณผ์ •์— ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ๊ทธ ๋น„๊ฒฐ์€ ๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ •์„ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹จ์ง€
01:11
about how well I'm doing, where what mistakesย  I make, just expose myself to the languageย ย 
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์ž˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€, ์–ด๋””์„œ ์‹ค์ˆ˜ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฑฑ์ •ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์ž์ฃผ ์–ธ์–ด์— ๋…ธ์ถœ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:17
every so often When I'm curious, I might look upย  something related to grammar, some explanation.
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๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ด์„œ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์ด๋‚˜ ์„ค๋ช…๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ์ฐพ์•„๋ณผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ฒ ๋„ค์š”.
01:22
But I don't focus on explanations.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๋‚˜๋Š” ์„ค๋ช…์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:24
I focus on getting the language into meย  through a lot of listening and reading.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ์™€ ์ฝ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ์ตํžˆ๋Š” ๋ฐ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:28
Well, 12 languages is still extremely impressive.
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์Œ, 12๊ฐœ ์–ธ์–ด๋Š” ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๋งค์šฐ ์ธ์ƒ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:33
Now, do you think that anyoneย  can become a polyglot, or areย ย 
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์ž, ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋‚˜ ๋‹ค๊ตญ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”? ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์žˆ์–ด์„œ
01:37
some people just more naturally giftedย  when it comes to learning languages?
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๋” ์ฒœ๋ถ€์ ์œผ๋กœ ์žฌ๋Šฅ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๋„ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š” ?
01:42
I think that potentiallyย  anyone can become a polyglot.
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋‚˜ ๋‹ค์–ธ์–ด์ž๊ฐ€ ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:48
The more languages you learn, the easierย  it becomes to learn new languages.
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๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šธ์ˆ˜๋ก ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋” ์‰ฌ์›Œ์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:52
So the most difficult languageย  is your first foreign languageย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์–ด๋ ค์šด ์–ธ์–ด๋Š” ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:56
because you've never done it before.
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์ด์ „์— ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ๋„ ํ•ด๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:58
You're you don't know how to go about it.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์•ผํ• ์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:59
You're not confident.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:01
And I think that as you learn moreย  languages, those parts of your brainย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šธ์ˆ˜๋ก
02:05
that deal with acquiring new languages, theyย  become more, you know, adept at doing it.
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์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์–ธ์–ด ์Šต๋“์„ ๋‹ด๋‹นํ•˜๋Š” ๋‘๋‡Œ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด ๊ทธ ์–ธ์–ด์— ๋” ๋Šฅ์ˆ™ํ•ด์ง„๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:11
So I think anyone can do it.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋‚˜ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”.
02:14
They have to be motivated, they have to put inย  the time, and they get better and better at it.
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๋™๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ถ€์—ฌ๋ฐ›์•„์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ , ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํˆฌ์žํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋ฉฐ , ์ ์  ๋” ๋Šฅ์ˆ™ํ•ด์ ธ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:18
But for most people, I think learningย  one or two languages is enough.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ํ•œ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋งŒ์œผ๋กœ๋„ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:22
It just so happens that I,ย  for a variety of reasons,ย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ด์œ ๋กœ
02:24
got interested in learning many languages.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๋ฐ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:27
And you mentioned motivation.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋™๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•˜์…จ์ฃ .
02:29
If you had to boil down the qualitiesย  or personality traits of successfulย ย 
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์„ฑ๊ณต์ ์ธ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž์˜ ์ž์งˆ์ด๋‚˜ ์„ฑ๊ฒฉ ํŠน์„ฑ์„ ์š”์•ฝํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด
02:35
language learners, what would you say those are?
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, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
02:39
Well, obviously motivation is big.
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๊ธ€์Ž„, ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๋™๊ธฐ ๋ถ€์—ฌ๊ฐ€ ํฌ๋‹ค.
02:42
The motivation, I would say attitude is big.
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๋™๊ธฐ ๋ถ€์—ฌ, ํƒœ๋„๊ฐ€ ํฌ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:45
So motivation is one thing.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋™๊ธฐ ๋ถ€์—ฌ๋Š” ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:48
Confidence, you know, enjoying theย  language, enjoying the language,ย ย 
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์ž์‹ ๊ฐ, ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ, ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ,
02:53
learning process, all of those thingsย  are part of that positive attitude.
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ํ•™์Šต ๊ณผ์ • ๋“ฑ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ํƒœ๋„์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:58
And I also think it's very important not toย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์™„๋ฒฝ์ฃผ์˜์ž๊ฐ€ ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋„ ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:00
be a perfectionist, very important toย  accept, you know, fuzziness inserted.
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๋ชจํ˜ธํ•จ์„ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋„ ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:07
Jude, you know you don't quite understand.
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์ฃผ๋“œ, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ž˜ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑธ ๋‹น์‹ ๋„ ์•Œ์ž–์•„์š”.
03:11
You keep forgetting the same words,ย ย 
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๊ฐ™์€ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ณ„์† ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๋Š”๋ฐ,
03:14
and all of that is fine because you're enjoyingย  the process of discovering another language.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณผ์ •์„ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ทธ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:19
And you mentioned confidence.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์„ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:21
I'm going to ask you a follow up because many ofย ย 
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๋งŽ์€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด
03:23
my students tell me that they lackย  confidence when using their English.
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์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ๋•Œ ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์ด ๋ถ€์กฑํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ํ›„์† ์กฐ์น˜๋ฅผ ์š”์ฒญํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:29
So can you speak a little bit moreย  about the role that confidence hasย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ
03:34
when learning and using a foreign language?
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์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ๋•Œ ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์ด ๊ฐ–๋Š” ์—ญํ• ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ข€ ๋” ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์–ด์š”?
03:37
Confidence is huge and and that's why I put a aย  great amount of emphasis on listening and reading.
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์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์ด ํฌ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ์™€ ์ฝ๊ธฐ์— ๋งŽ์€ ์ค‘์ ์„ ๋‘ก๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:46
And you sometimes hear people say, wellย  I can read but I have trouble speaking.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฐ€๋” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด '๊ธ€์„ ์ฝ์„ ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์–ด๋ ค์›€์ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ฃ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:50
But most of those people don't realizeย  just how much you need to read and listen.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์ฝ๊ณ  ๋“ค์–ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ๊นจ๋‹ซ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:55
Like you have to read a book,ย  203 hundred pages, one book,ย ย 
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์ฑ… ํ•œ ๊ถŒ์„ ์ฝ์–ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ, 20300ํŽ˜์ด์ง€, ํ•œ ๊ถŒ,
03:59
several books and the brain starts to get usedย  to the language and reading is so easy to do.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ถŒ์˜ ์ฑ…์„ ์ฝ์œผ๋ฉด ๋‡Œ๊ฐ€ ์–ธ์–ด์— ์ต์ˆ™ํ•ด์ง€๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ฝ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์‰ฌ์›Œ์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:06
And when we read, it's almost as ifย  we're speaking because we are sortย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ฝ์„ ๋•Œ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
04:09
of subconsciously as vocalizingย  as we read and also listening.
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์ฝ๊ณ  ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ฌด์˜์‹์ ์œผ๋กœ ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ง€๋ฅด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:16
And so if you build up this degreeย  of confidence with the language,ย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์–ธ์–ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด ์ •๋„์˜ ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์„ ์Œ“์œผ๋ฉด
04:19
the brain is used to the language.
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๋‡Œ๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด์— ์ต์ˆ™ํ•ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:20
The brain has formed a model of the language.
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๋‡Œ๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด์˜ ๋ชจ๋ธ์„ ํ˜•์„ฑํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:22
When you go to speak, of courseย  you're going to struggle at first,ย ย 
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๋งํ•˜๋Ÿฌ ๊ฐ€๋ฉด ๋ฌผ๋ก  ์ฒ˜์Œ์—๋Š” ์–ด๋ ค์›€์„ ๊ฒช๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ,
04:25
but you will gradually improve becauseย  you have all these words inside you.
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์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๋ง์ด ๋‹น์‹  ์•ˆ์— ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ ์ฐจ ๋‚˜์•„์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:30
So I think part of it is being better prepared.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ๋” ์ž˜ ์ค€๋น„๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:32
Most people don't put the time andย  effort into reading and listening.
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๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์ฝ๊ณ  ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๋ฐ ์‹œ๊ฐ„๊ณผ ๋…ธ๋ ฅ์„ ๋“ค์ด์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:36
They desperately try toย  remember some grammar rules,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ๊ทœ์น™์„ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•„์‚ฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ , ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ
04:38
and they try to think of grammar rulesย  while they're speaking, which is hopeless.
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๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ๊ทœ์น™์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ ˆ๋ง์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:43
And then they have to acceptย  that when they're speaking,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋งํ•  ๋•Œ
04:45
they're actually practicing speaking,ย  and they will gradually get better.
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ์—ฐ์Šต์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ์ ์ฐจ ๋‚˜์•„์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์—ฌ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:50
And while they're speaking, if they're speaking toย  people that matter to them, they're getting veryย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ ์ž์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋งค์šฐ
04:55
valuable input, which is also all part of trainingย  the brain to be comfortable in the language.
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๊ท€์ค‘ํ•œ ์ž…๋ ฅ์„ ์–ป๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋ฉฐ ์ด๋Š” ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋‡Œ๊ฐ€ ์–ธ์–ด์— ์ต์ˆ™ํ•ด์ง€๋„๋ก ํ›ˆ๋ จํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณผ์ •์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€์ด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:01
So it's all about input andย  understanding that all theย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šธ
05:06
different things that we're doing when we'reย  learning a language contribute to that input.
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๋•Œ ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์ž‘์—…์ด ํ•ด๋‹น ์ž…๋ ฅ์— ๊ธฐ์—ฌํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ž…๋ ฅ๊ณผ ์ดํ•ด์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:12
Well, exactly.
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”.
05:13
Obviously, if you have an opportunity for output,ย ย 
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๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ, ๋งํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ธ€์„ ์“ฐ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ถœ๋ ฅํ•  ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
05:16
for speaking or for writing, youย  want to take advantage of it,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ™œ์šฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๊ณ , ์‹ค์ˆ˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด
05:18
and you want to do it without worryingย  about mistakes, just trusting your impulses.
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๊ฑฑ์ •ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์ถฉ๋™์„ ๋ฏฟ๊ณ  ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:23
But we don't necessarily, Unless weย  live where their language is spoken,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ผญ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณณ์— ์‚ด์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ํ•œ
05:28
we don't always have a lot ofย  opportunity to speak with people.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•  ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋งŽ์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:32
We should speak whenever we can, butย  we don't always have that opportunity.
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๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•  ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:35
But it's very easy to organizeย  listening, very easy to organize reading.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ •๋ฆฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์‰ฝ๊ณ  , ์ฝ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ •๋ฆฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์‰ฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:40
And you know, some people say, well, how can Iย  read if there's so many words that I don't know?
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ' ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๋Š” ๋‹จ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์œผ๋ฉด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ฝ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€?'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:44
Well, that's part of, You know,ย  we have link as an example,ย ย 
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๊ทธ ์ผ๋ถ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ๋งํฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ
05:48
but if you are reading online,ย  you have online dictionaries.
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์˜จ๋ผ์ธ์œผ๋กœ ์ฑ…์„ ์ฝ๋Š”๋‹ค๋ฉด ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ ์‚ฌ์ „์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:51
It's so easy nowadays to workย  on getting your vocabulary upย ย 
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์š”์ฆ˜์—๋Š”
05:55
to where eventually you can read books on paper,ย ย 
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์ข…์ด์— ์ฑ…์„ ์ฝ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ˆ˜์ค€๊นŒ์ง€ ์–ดํœ˜๋ ฅ์„ ํ‚ค์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ์‰ฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:58
which is the ultimate sort of milestone whenย  you read your first book from cover to cover.
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์ด๋Š” ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์ฑ…์„ ์ฒ˜์Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋๊นŒ์ง€ ์ฝ์„ ๋•Œ ๊ถ๊ทน์ ์ธ ์ด์ •ํ‘œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:03
And all of that is, is part of getting youย  in a place where you're comfortable speaking.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ํŽธ์•ˆํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์žฅ์†Œ๋กœ ์•ˆ๋‚ดํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:07
And coming back to that place ofย  getting comfortable speaking whenย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
06:12
I'm working with students and I'm sure all my.
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผํ•  ๋•Œ ํŽธ์•ˆํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณณ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„์˜ค๋ฉฐ ๋‚ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:15
Students.
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์žฌํ•™์ƒ.
06:16
Watching can relate to this question.
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์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ด ์งˆ๋ฌธ๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:18
When I'm working with students,ย ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผํ•  ๋•Œ,
06:20
the number one concern that they have isย  that they don't feel confident speaking.
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋จผ์ € ๊ฑฑ์ •ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ์— ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์ด ์—†๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:27
They feel like they're beingย  judged by native speakers.
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์›์–ด๋ฏผ์ด ํŒ๋‹จํ•˜๋Š” ๋“ฏํ•œ ๋Š๋‚Œ์„ ๋ฐ›์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:32
They're worried about their grammar mistakes.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ์‹ค์ˆ˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฑฑ์ •ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:34
They're worried that their accents are too thick,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์–ต์–‘์ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ง™์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฑฑ์ •ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ,
06:38
and all of this prevents themย  from speaking confidently.
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์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ž์‹ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐฉํ•ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:43
So what advice would you give to these students?
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ด ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์–ด๋–ค ์กฐ์–ธ์„ ํ•ด์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
06:47
OK, well there's you mentionedย  several things there.
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์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์‚ฌํ•ญ์„ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:49
First of all, thick accent.
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์šฐ์„  ๊ตต์€ ์•…์„ผํŠธ.
06:51
As long as you are comprehensible,ย  your accent is fine.
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์ดํ•ดํ•  ์ˆ˜๋งŒ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์–ต์–‘์€ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:56
We have to accept that.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์—ฌ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:58
Obviously, if we can get closerย  to sort of native pronunciation,ย ย 
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๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์›์–ด๋ฏผ ๋ฐœ์Œ์— ๊ฐ€๊นŒ์›Œ์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
07:02
we have to want to in a way, we wantย  to imitate the way the native speak.
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์–ด๋–ค ๋ฉด์—์„œ๋Š” ์›์–ด๋ฏผ์ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์„ ๋ชจ๋ฐฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:07
But we have to realize, and I realize that I willย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์•„์•ผ ํ•˜๋ฉฐ,
07:09
never be mistaken for a native speakerย  in the languages that I have learned.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ฐฐ์šด ์–ธ์–ด์—์„œ๋Š” ๊ฒฐ์ฝ” ์›์–ด๋ฏผ์œผ๋กœ ์ฐฉ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž„์„ ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:15
So accept the fact that you have an accent.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฏ€๋กœ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์•…์„ผํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ด์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
07:17
Also accept the fact that you're going to forget.
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๋˜ํ•œ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค๋„ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ด์„ธ์š”.
07:21
I mean we know if if we're ifย  I'm in some place and somebodyย ย 
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๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ค ๊ณณ์— ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€
07:25
shows up whom I know and butย  what's his name or her name.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์•„๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚˜๋Š”์ง€, ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ์ด๋ฆ„์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋œป์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:30
The more pressure I put on myself toย  try to remember that person's name,ย ย 
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ์ด๋ฆ„์„ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ• ์ˆ˜๋ก
07:35
the more likely I am not to remember.
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๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•  ํ™•๋ฅ ์ด ๋†’์•„์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:37
And later on when there's no pressure onย  me, Oh yeah, that was George or Sally.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์ค‘์— ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ๋ถ€๋‹ด์ด ์—†์„ ๋•Œ , ์•„, ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ์กฐ์ง€๋‚˜ ์ƒ๋ฆฌ์˜€์–ด.
07:43
So obviously there is aย  certain amount of pressure,ย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด
07:45
tension when we speak because it's it's alwaysย  more comfortable to speak in your own language.
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ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋” ํŽธ์•ˆํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•  ๋•Œ ์–ด๋Š ์ •๋„ ์••๋ฐ•๊ฐ๊ณผ ๊ธด์žฅ๊ฐ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:51
So you're speaking in another language,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ
07:52
there's a little more tension and so it'sย  a little more difficult to remember things.
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๊ธด์žฅ๊ฐ์ด ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ์ƒ๊ธฐ๊ณ  ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์ข€ ๋” ์–ด๋ ค์›Œ์ง€๋„ค์š”.
07:56
We just have to accept that all of that is normal.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •์ƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์—ฌ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:59
It's normal not to understand,ย  it's normal to forget.
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์ดํ•ดํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •์ƒ์ด๊ณ , ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •์ƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:02
And if we simply keep going, we will graduallyย  improve the more pressure we put on ourselves.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ๋‚˜์•„๊ฐ€๋‹ค ๋ณด๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ž์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€ํ•ด์ง€๋Š” ๋ถ€๋‹ด์ด ์ปค์งˆ์ˆ˜๋ก ์ ์ฐจ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐœ์ „ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:08
Or if we try to avoid speaking because we'reย  afraid, then we aren't going to improve.
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๋˜๋Š” ๋‘๋ ค์›Œ์„œ ๋ง์„ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‚˜์•„์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:14
So I mean, it's easy to say, but I haveย  experienced it in many languages whereย ย 
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์ฆ‰, ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ๋Š” ์‰ฝ์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์–ธ์–ด๋กœ
08:19
I struggle, and sometimes we think weย  did more poorly than we in fact did,ย ย 
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์–ด๋ ค์›€์„ ๊ฒช๊ณ  ๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์‹ค์ œ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ์ž˜๋ชปํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์Šค์Šค๋กœ
08:26
and we just have to give ourselves credit.
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๊ณต๋กœ๋ฅผ ์ธ์ •ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:28
Trust the brain.
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๋‘๋‡Œ๋ฅผ ๋ฏฟ์œผ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
08:29
The brain will gradually learn given enoughย  experience, and you just have to keep going.
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์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ๋‡Œ๋Š” ์ ์ฐจ ํ•™์Šตํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋ฉฐ, ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ํ•™์Šตํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:34
And of course, you're veryย  active in the polyglot community.
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๋ฌผ๋ก  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‹ค๊ตญ์–ด ์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆํ‹ฐ์—์„œ๋„ ๋งค์šฐ ํ™œ๋ฐœํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ™œ๋™ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:37
Now I'm curious, what would aย  polyglot think about making aย ย 
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์ด์ œ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:42
mistake when a polyglot is learningย  or using one of their languages?
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๋‹ค์ค‘์–ธ์–ด์ž๊ฐ€ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์–ธ์–ด ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ๋•Œ ์‹ค์ˆ˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋‹ค์ค‘์–ธ์–ด์ž๋Š” ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ• ๊นŒ์š”?
08:48
What do they think when they make a mistake?
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ํ•  ๋•Œ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋‚˜์š”?
08:52
I I think the the one commonย  trait to the polyglots thatย ย 
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งŒ๋‚œ ๋‹ค์ค‘์–ธ์–ด์ž๋“ค์˜ ๊ณตํ†ต์ ์ธ ํŠน์ง•์€
08:56
I've made met is that they aren't concerned.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ฑฑ์ •ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€
08:59
They are not.
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์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:00
They accept uncertainty.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ถˆํ™•์‹ค์„ฑ์„ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:03
They accept uncertainty.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ถˆํ™•์‹ค์„ฑ์„ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:04
That's it.
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค์•ผ.
09:05
It it, if you want to beย  totally safe and comfortable,ย ย 
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์™„์ „ํžˆ ์•ˆ์ „ํ•˜๊ณ  ํŽธ์•ˆํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ง€๋‚ด๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๋ฉด
09:08
you don't learn another foreign language.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”.
09:10
Once you are learning another foreign language,ย ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋ฉด,
09:12
you are now into this territory where thereย  are going to be mistakes and there's goingย ย 
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์ด์ œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์‹ค์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ณ ,
09:16
to be things you don't understand andย  things that you don't pronounce properly.
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์ดํ•ดํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ์ œ๋Œ€๋กœ ๋ฐœ์Œํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ์ด ์˜์—ญ์— ๋“ค์–ด์„œ๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:20
And people say, I beg yourย  pardon, what did you say?
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ '์ฃ„์†กํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ญ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜์…จ๋‚˜์š”?
09:21
And that's all part of the territory.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์˜ํ† ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:24
And polyglots accept this.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹ค์ค‘์–ธ์–ด์ž๋“ค์€ ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ธ๋‹ค.
09:27
Yeah.
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09:27
I've been to a number of polyglot conferences.
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์‘.
๋‚˜๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค์— ์ฐธ์„ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:30
And by the way, the overwhelming majorityย  of polyglots grew up in unilingual families.
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ณ , ๋‹ค๊ตญ์–ด ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž์˜ ์••๋„์  ๋‹ค์ˆ˜๋Š” ๋‹จ์ผ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฐ€์ •์—์„œ ์ž๋ž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:36
So the idea that somehow polyglotsย  are people who grew up with a Spanishย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋‹ค์ค‘์–ธ์–ด์ž๊ฐ€ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋ฅผ
09:39
speaking mother and a French speakingย  father or whatever, that's not true.
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๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์–ด๋จธ๋‹ˆ์™€ ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์•„๋ฒ„์ง€ ๋“ฑ์—์„œ ์ž๋ž€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์€ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:43
The polyglots are people who got interested,ย ย 
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๋‹ค์ค‘์–ธ์–ด์ž๋Š” ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ ,
09:46
who are confident that they can learn,ย  and who accept the fact that fuzzinessย ย 
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ํ•™์Šตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•˜๊ณ , ๋ชจํ˜ธํ•จ
09:51
and not understanding and forgetting isย  all part of learning another language.
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๊ณผ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๊ณ  ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ณผ์ •์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๋ผ๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ด๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:57
And we've.
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09:57
Already talked about the mistakes thatย  students make when they're learning a language.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋žฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ๋•Œ ์ €์ง€๋ฅด๋Š” ์‹ค์ˆ˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด๋ฏธ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:03
But what would you say are?
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
10:05
The biggest mistakes that language learners make.
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์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๊ฐ€ ์ €์ง€๋ฅด๋Š” ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ์‹ค์ˆ˜.
10:09
Well, the biggest.
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๊ธ€์Ž„, ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:10
So not specifically with reference to English,ย  but I I think this this desire to be perfect.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํŠน๋ณ„ํžˆ ์˜์–ด์— ๊ด€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์™„๋ฒฝํ•ด์ง€๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ์š•๊ตฌ๋Š” ์ด๋ ‡๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:18
You know, I got to sound like a native.
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์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๋‚˜๋Š” ์›์ฃผ๋ฏผ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋งํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:20
I've got to, you know, get youย  know, just the right tense.
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์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅธ ์‹œ์ œ๋ฅผ ์•Œ๋ ค์ค˜์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:24
It doesn't matter.
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10:24
Like tense is, a is a big itemย  for people learning English.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์‹œ์ œ์™€ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€๋กœ a๋Š” ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ํฐ ํ•ญ๋ชฉ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:28
And honestly, whether you say in many situationsย  it's optional, you can go I go or I am going,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์†”์งํžˆ ๋งํ•ด์„œ, ๋งŽ์€ ์ƒํ™ฉ์—์„œ ์„ ํƒ ์‚ฌํ•ญ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹œ๋“ , ๊ฐ€์…”๋„ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ€๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ฐˆ ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š”
10:36
I went, you know, I was goingย  very often, it doesn't matter.
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๊ฐ”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๋งค์šฐ ์ž์ฃผ ๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:41
It may matter on a grammar test,ย ย 
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๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ์‹œํ—˜์—์„œ๋Š” ์ค‘์š”ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ
10:43
but in reality there are a lot of tenses inย  English, probably more tenses than we need.
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์˜์–ด์—๋Š” ์‹œ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์ด ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์‹œ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:50
And so if you just go with a simple whatever,ย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋‹จ์ˆœํ•œ
10:52
the simple present, the simple past,ย  in many cases that's going to work.
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ํ˜„์žฌ, ๋‹จ์ˆœํ•œ ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ ๋“ฑ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋“  ๋‹จ์ˆœํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋ฉด ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์— ํšจ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:57
Don't try to be perfect.
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์™„๋ฒฝํ•ด์ง€๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”.
10:58
Don't, when speaking, try toย  think through your grammar rules.
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๋งํ•  ๋•Œ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ๊ทœ์น™์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•˜์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”.
11:01
That's not going to work.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:04
You have to sort of have anย  attitude that you're going toย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์€
11:06
develop certain habits in the languageย  and you're going to trust those habits.
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์–ธ์–ด์—์„œ ํŠน์ • ์Šต๊ด€์„ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ผ์ข…์˜ ํƒœ๋„๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์•ผ ํ•˜๋ฉฐ ๊ทธ ์Šต๊ด€์„ ์‹ ๋ขฐํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:12
And when you speak, it's going to come out andย  you will pick up on what other people are saying.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ•  ๋•Œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‚˜์˜ฌ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:18
And if there are sort of roughย  edges, if you have an open mind,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๊ฑฐ์นœ ๊ฐ€์žฅ์ž๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ์—ด๋ฆฐ ๋งˆ์Œ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
11:22
gradually those rough edges willย  become, you know, less frequent.
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๊ทธ ๊ฑฐ์นœ ๊ฐ€์žฅ์ž๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ ์ฐจ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋œ ๋นˆ๋ฒˆํ•ด์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:27
So I think a big mistake is to expect thatย  right now I'm as good as I'm ever going to be.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ง€๊ธˆ ๋‹น์žฅ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์•ž์œผ๋กœ๋„ ๋  ๋งŒํผ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ํฐ ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
11:32
No, right now you're in the process of improving.
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์•„๋‹ˆ์š”, ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ๊ฐœ์„ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ณผ์ •์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:35
So keep going and you'll get better.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ๊ณ„์†ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‚˜์•„์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:37
Sounds like exactly what youย  said about attitude being oneย ย 
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ํƒœ๋„๊ฐ€
11:40
of the most important personality traits.
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์„ฑ๊ฒฉ ํŠน์„ฑ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:44
Absolutely yo attitude two.
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๋ฌผ๋ก  ์š” ํƒœ๋„ 2์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:47
There are two things in languageย  learning, attitude and time.
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์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์—๋Š” ํƒœ๋„์™€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:50
So the attitude portion of it isย  you know you like the language,ย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ํƒœ๋„ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ ,
11:53
you want to learn, you enjoy the learning process.
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๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์‹ถ๊ณ , ํ•™์Šต ๊ณผ์ •์„ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:56
That's difficult to do.
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ์–ด๋ ค์šด ์ผ์ด์—์š”.
11:57
You can't force yourself to like something.
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๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋„๋ก ๊ฐ•์š”ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:00
However, you can force yourself to get active.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์Šค์Šค๋กœ ํ™œ๋™ํ•˜๋„๋ก ๊ฐ•์š”ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:03
So if your attitude is not that keen onย  say English, if it's English and I'veย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ํƒœ๋„๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ์˜ˆ๋ฏผํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๋ฉด ์˜์–ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ , ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์˜์–ด์ด๊ณ  ๋‚ด๊ฐ€
12:09
looked around for you know, TV programsย  or things that I might get interested inย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋“ฏ์ด TV ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ ์ด๋‚˜ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ๋งŒํ•œ ๊ฒƒ
12:13
or cooking shows or thing is try to findย  something that interests you and vary it.
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๋˜๋Š” ์š”๋ฆฌ ์‡ผ ๋“ฑ์„ ์ฐพ์•„๋ณด์•˜๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฐพ์œผ๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ.
12:18
So you're on to something that relatesย  to business, something that relates toย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค์™€ ๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ๊ฒƒ, ์—ญ์‚ฌ์™€ ๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ๊ฒƒ
12:22
history, that relates to cooking shows,ย  gardening, whatever, a variety of content.
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, ์š”๋ฆฌ ์‡ผ, ์ •์› ๊ฐ€๊พธ๊ธฐ ๋“ฑ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:27
Try to get interested andย  and then put in the time.
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๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํˆฌ์žํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
12:31
It takes time, it takes time.
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์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๊ฑธ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๊ฑธ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:33
So I see immigrants to Canada, for example,ย ย 
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์บ๋‚˜๋‹ค ์ด๋ฏผ์ž๋“ค์€
12:35
who go home at night and they only watchย  television programs in their own language.
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๋ฐค์— ์ง‘์— ๊ฐ€์„œ ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๋กœ ๋œ TV ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ๋งŒ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:42
OK, that's relaxing maybe, butย  that's not going to help you.
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์ข‹์•„์š”, ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๋งˆ์Œ์ด ํŽธํ•ด์ง€๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:46
You have to be willing to put in a lot ofย  time, not only, let's say classroom time,ย ย 
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์ˆ˜์—… ์‹œ๊ฐ„๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
12:51
but also if you're, you know, in the evening,ย  especially if you live in Canada or the Unitedย ย 
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์ €๋… ์‹œ๊ฐ„์—๋„, ํŠนํžˆ ์บ๋‚˜๋‹ค๋‚˜ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์— ๊ฑฐ์ฃผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ
12:56
States, watch local television, put theย  time in with the, engage with the language.
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์ง€์—ญ TV๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๋ ค๋ฉด ๋งŽ์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๊ธฐ๊บผ์ด ํˆฌ์žํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํˆฌ์žํ•˜๊ณ  ์–ธ์–ด์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
13:03
So attitude and time.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํƒœ๋„์™€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„.
13:04
And speaking about putting in theย  time when you're learning a language,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํˆฌ์žํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, '
13:09
is there ever an end point when you say,ย  Yep, learn that language and you move on?
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๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๊ทธ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ๋‹ค์Œ ๋‹จ๊ณ„๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€๋ฉด'์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋์ ์ด ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
13:17
Or do you feel like learning is more of a processย  and you'll always be learning a new language?
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ํ•™์Šต์ด ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ๊ณผ์ •์— ๊ฐ€๊น๊ณ  ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
13:25
Yeah, I mean, we're always moreย  comfortable in our own language.
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๋„ค, ์ œ ๋ง์€, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๋กœ ๋” ํŽธ์•ˆํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ . ๋‹ค์‹œ
13:30
Although there are people who, let'sย  say say again, immigrants who spends,ย ย 
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๋งํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ๋ˆ์„ ์“ฐ๋Š” ์ด๋ฏผ์ž,
13:34
who, who genuinely learn theย  language, who work in English,ย ย 
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์ง„์ •์œผ๋กœ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์˜์–ด๋กœ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ, ์˜์–ด
13:37
who have friends with whom they speakย  English, who always have a bit of an accent.
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๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ์นœ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ , ํ•ญ์ƒ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ์–ต์–‘์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:43
And they've kind of reached the pointย  where it it's it's more than good enough.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์–ด๋Š ์ •๋„ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํžˆ ์ข‹์€ ์ˆ˜์ค€์— ๋„๋‹ฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:47
And in many cases even say immigrantsย  who speak with an accent may in factย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋Š” ์–ต์–‘์œผ๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ์ด๋ฏผ์ž๋“ค์ด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ
13:53
use the language better than many native speakers.
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๋งŽ์€ ์›์–ด๋ฏผ๋ณด๋‹ค ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋” ์ž˜ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:56
So they're out of stage whereย  they're as good as it's going to get.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋งŒํผ ์ข‹์€ ๋‹จ๊ณ„์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
13:59
But but by and large it's it'sย  always an unfinished process.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋Œ€์ฒด๋กœ ์ด๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋๋‚˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ณผ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:03
If I say that I speak 20 languages, evenย  the languages that I speak very well,ย ย 
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ 20๊ฐœ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๋ฉด ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค์–ด๋‚˜ ์ผ๋ณธ์–ด์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์•„์ฃผ ์ž˜ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด๋„,
14:07
like French or Japanese, or I can always getย  better, you know, I can always get better.
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋” ๋‚˜์•„์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ , ์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๋‚˜๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋” ๋‚˜์•„์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:14
So we're never, you know, it's never completed.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒฐ์ฝ” ์™„๋ฃŒ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:18
It's an ongoing process.
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์ด๋Š” ์ง€์†์ ์ธ ๊ณผ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:20
Now, previously you said thatย  it's normal to forget your words.
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์ด์ „์— ๋ง์„ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •์ƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
14:24
For example, in our native language, we mightย  be having a conversation and we forget the nameย ย 
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๋กœ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์ง€๋‚œ์ฃผ์—
14:29
of a restaurant, even though we went to thatย  restaurant last week, and that's just normal.
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๊ทธ ์‹๋‹น์— ๊ฐ”์Œ์—๋„ ๋ถˆ๊ตฌํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์‹๋‹น์˜ ์ด๋ฆ„์„ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ์ด๋Š” ์ •์ƒ์ ์ธ ํ˜„์ƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:36
But this is a concern that my students haveย  because they tell me that every time they goย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์šฐ๋ คํ•˜๋Š” ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋งํ•˜๋Ÿฌ ๊ฐˆ ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค ์ž์‹ ์ด ์ž˜ ์•„๋Š” ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•œ ๋‹จ์–ด
14:41
to speak, they forget all their words, evenย  simple words that they know really well.
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๊นŒ์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฐ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
14:48
When they're speaking, their mind goesย  blank and they forget their words.
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๋ง์„ ํ•  ๋•Œ ๋งˆ์Œ์ด ๋ฉํ•ด์ง€๊ณ  ๋ง์„ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:53
Do you have a strategy for overcomingย  this when you're learning languages?
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์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ๋•Œ ์ด๋ฅผ ๊ทน๋ณตํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ „๋žต์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
14:59
You have to remember first of all,ย  very often you hear people talk about,ย ย 
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์šฐ์„  ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด '
15:02
you know, I'm going to master the basics.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์„ ๋งˆ์Šคํ„ฐํ•˜๊ฒ ๋‹ค'๋ผ๋Š” ๋ง์„ ์ž์ฃผ ๋“ฃ๊ฒŒ ๋œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:04
We forget even the most basic words.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์ธ ๋‹จ์–ด์กฐ์ฐจ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:07
We forget the most basic structures.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์ธ ๊ตฌ์กฐ๋ฅผ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:09
We forget things that we used to be ableย  to do and now we can't do all of a sudden.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์˜ˆ์ „์— ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ์ผ์„ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด์ œ๋Š” ๊ฐ‘์ž๊ธฐ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:13
We may be able to do it the next time.
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๋‹ค์Œ ๋ฒˆ์—๋Š” ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
15:15
So the first thing is to accept that that isย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋จผ์ € ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ผ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด
15:18
absolutely normal and it's partย  of the process of communicating.
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์™„์ „ํžˆ ์ •์ƒ์ด๋ฉฐ ์˜์‚ฌ ์†Œํ†ต ๊ณผ์ •์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๋ผ๋Š” ์ ์„ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:23
But gradually, even the process ofย  forgetting and relearning is solidifyingย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์ ์ฐจ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•™์Šตํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณผ์ •์—์„œ๋„
15:29
the that capability in your brain thatย  the, you know, research into the brain.
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๋‡Œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์—ฐ๊ตฌํ•˜๋Š” ๋‡Œ์˜ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์ด ๊ตณ์–ด์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:35
We need to see something, noticeย  something, forget it for a while,ย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ , ์•Œ์•„์ฐจ๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ์ž ์‹œ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๊ณ ,
15:39
go back to it, forget it again, go back to it.
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๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€๊ณ , ๋‹ค์‹œ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:41
And slowly.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ฒœ์ฒœํžˆ.
15:42
That is how we accumulate wordsย  that we can comfortably use.
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํŽธ์•ˆํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์Œ“๋Š”๋‹ค.
15:47
So forgetting is part of the process andย  shouldn't make us feel uncomfortable.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ณผ์ •์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€์ด๋ฏ€๋กœ ๋ถˆํŽธํ•จ์„ ๋Š๋ผ๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ์•ˆ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:52
We good.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ข‹๋‹ค.
15:53
I forgot.
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์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ ธ์–ด์š”.
15:54
Good.
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15:54
And I relearn it, and maybe I forget it again.
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์ข‹์€.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ๋‹ค์‹œ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆด ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:57
Good.
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15:57
And then I relearn it and gradually we improve.
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์ข‹์€.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋ฉด์„œ ์ ์ฐจ ์‹ค๋ ฅ์ด ํ–ฅ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง
16:00
That's an amazing attitude to have.
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๋†€๋ผ์šด ํƒœ๋„๋„ค์š”.
16:03
By forgetting you are in fact learning.
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๋ง๊ฐํ•จ์œผ๋กœ์จ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌผ๊ฑด์„
16:07
Not only is it normal to forgetย  things, but it's beneficial.
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์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ •์ƒ์ผ ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์œ ์ตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:11
So changing your attitude around it.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ๊ทธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํƒœ๋„๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๊พธ์„ธ์š”.
16:13
I hope all my students remember that lesson.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ ๊ตํ›ˆ์„ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:17
What a powerful lesson.
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์ •๋ง ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ๊ตํ›ˆ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:19
Now, Steve, you've shared so many lessons soย  far, but if my students were to only do oneย ย 
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์ž, Steve, ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์€ ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๊ณต์œ ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์˜์–ด ์œ ์ฐฝํ•จ์„
16:26
thing this week to help them improve theirย  fluency in English, what should they do?
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ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ด๋ฒˆ ์ฃผ์— ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋งŒ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”?
16:33
Well, you know it.
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๊ธ€์Ž„, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:35
It's not one thing I I would say put in the time,ย ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํˆฌ์žํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:41
which in most cases is going to mean inputย  activities, because that's easy to organize.
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๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ž…๋ ฅ ํ™œ๋™์€ ์ •๋ฆฌํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‰ฝ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:46
You know, I carry my iPhone with me.
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ์ €๋Š” iPhone์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ๋‹ค๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:48
I I use Link, I've got my lessons there.
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์ €๋Š” Link๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋“ฃ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:51
I can listen to them.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ๋ง์„ ๋“ค์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค. ์žฌ์ƒ
16:52
I have a playlist.
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๋ชฉ๋ก์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:53
If I'm sitting in the doctor's office,ย  I can look up words and read something.
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์ง„๋ฃŒ์‹ค์— ์•‰์•„ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์•„๋ณด๊ณ  ์ฝ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:57
So I'm I'm engaging withย  the language in in that way.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์–ธ์–ด์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:59
So wherever you have an opportunity input.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณณ์ด๋ฉด ์–ด๋””๋“  ์ž…๋ ฅํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:03
However, when you have an opportunityย  the output to speak absolutely takeย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ถœ๋ ฅ์„ ์ ˆ๋Œ€์ ์œผ๋กœ
17:08
advantage of it and don't worry aboutย  how you do and trust your instincts.
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ํ™œ์šฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ์ง€ ๊ฑฑ์ •ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ง๊ณ  ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์ง๊ฐ์„ ๋ฏฟ์œผ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
17:14
Come out with whatever you got.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ฐ€์ง„ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ๋‚˜์˜ค์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
17:16
That's what you have.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:17
Let it come out, interact with people.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‚˜์˜ค๊ณ  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์ƒํ˜ธ ์ž‘์šฉํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
17:20
You'll get some feedback and you just keep going.
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ํ”ผ๋“œ๋ฐฑ์„ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ๊ณ„์† ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:24
So input activities wherever youย  have the opportunity and outputย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค ํ™œ๋™์„ ์ž…๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ 
17:29
activities wherever you have the opportunity.
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๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค ํ™œ๋™์„ ์ถœ๋ ฅํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
17:31
Amazing advice.
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๋†€๋ผ์šด ์กฐ์–ธ.
17:32
Thank you so much for sharing that, Steve.
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๊ณต์œ ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ.
17:34
I'm sure all my students haveย  learned a lot already and youย ย 
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์ œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ด๋ฏธ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐฐ์› ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ฉฐ ๊ท€ํ•˜๊ป˜์„œ๋Š”
17:38
share a lot of resources on your YouTube channel.
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YouTube ์ฑ„๋„์—์„œ ๋งŽ์€ ๋ฆฌ์†Œ์Šค๋ฅผ ๊ณต์œ ํ•˜์‹ค ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:42
You have an amazing app thatย  you've developed called Lync.
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Lync๋ผ๋Š” ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ์•ฑ์„ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:46
So can you quickly tell myย  students how they can find you?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜์„ ์ฐพ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ๋นจ๋ฆฌ ์•Œ๋ ค ์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š” ?
17:49
How they can learn more about Lync as well?
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Lync์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋„ ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์•Œ์•„๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
17:52
Well, my YouTube channel is called Lingo Steve,ย ย 
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์ œ YouTube ์ฑ„๋„ ์ด๋ฆ„์€ Lingo Steve,
17:55
All One Word and I put a video out once a weekย  on different aspects of language learning.
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All One Word์ด๋ฉฐ ์ผ์ฃผ์ผ์— ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ์”ฉ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์˜ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์ธก๋ฉด์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ๊ฒŒ์‹œํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:00
I even speak in different languages, Japanese,ย  French, Chinese, you name it and link.
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์ €๋Š” ์ผ๋ณธ์–ด, ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค์–ด, ์ค‘๊ตญ์–ด ๋“ฑ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋ฆ„์„ ์ง€์ •ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋งํฌ๋ฅผ ๊ฑธ์–ด์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
18:05
lingq.com is a website that my son and Iย  developed, which is where I learn languagesย ย 
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lingq.com์€ ๋‚˜์™€ ์•„๋“ค์ด ๊ฐœ๋ฐœํ•œ ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋กœ, ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ 
18:12
and it basically enables people toย  use the resources of the Internet.
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๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท ๋ฆฌ์†Œ์Šค๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ํ•ด์ค๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:16
You can import YouTubeย  videos, you can import ebooks,ย ย 
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YouTubeย ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜ฌ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ , eBook์„ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜ฌ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:21
There's stuff in our library with a lotย  of repetition for people getting started,ย ย 
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๋ผ์ด๋ธŒ๋Ÿฌ๋ฆฌ์—๋Š” ์ดˆ๋ณด์ž๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ๋ฐ˜๋ณต ๋‚ด์šฉ์ด ๋งŽ์€ ์ž๋ฃŒ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ,
18:26
and there's a bunch of functionalityย  there to help you learn words and phrases.
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๋‹จ์–ด์™€ ๊ตฌ๋ฌธ์„ ํ•™์Šตํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๋Š” ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:29
So certainly that's what I like to use, butย  it doesn't matter, you know, people can doย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๊ฒƒ์ด์ง€๋งŒ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„
18:34
whatever they want to do as long as they putย  in the time and they have a positive attitude.
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ํˆฌ์žํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ํƒœ๋„๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ํ•œ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋“  ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
18:38
Well, you heard that everyone put inย  the time have a positive attitude.
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํˆฌ์žํ•˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ํƒœ๋„๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:43
Thank you so much, Steve.
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์ •๋ง ๊ณ ๋งˆ์›Œ์š”, ์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ.
18:44
It's truly been a pleasure.
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์ •๋ง ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:46
Thank you very much.
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๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:47
I enjoyed it.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฆ๊ฒผ๋‹ค.
18:48
Such amazing advice.
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์ •๋ง ๋†€๋ผ์šด ์กฐ์–ธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:50
Let's show our appreciation andย  put thanks Steve in the comments.
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๊ฐ์‚ฌ์˜ ๋งˆ์Œ์„ ์ „ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋Œ“๊ธ€๋กœ Steve์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ์˜ ๋งˆ์Œ์„ ์ „ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
18:55
Put thanks Steve in the comments.
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๋Œ“๊ธ€๋กœ ์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ ์ธ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ์ „ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
18:57
Now let's move on and hearย  from polyglot Luca Lamparello,ย ย 
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์ด์ œ
19:02
who has learned 15 languages and he'sย  going to reveal his best secrets to you.
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15๊ฐœ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์› ์œผ๋ฉฐ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ๋น„๋ฐ€์„ ์•Œ๋ ค์ค„ ๋‹ค๊ตญ์–ด Luca Lamparello์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:09
Hello.
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์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
19:10
Luca, thank you so much forย  being here on my channel.
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๋ฃจ์นด๋‹˜, ์ œ ์ฑ„๋„์— ์™€์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:13
Hi, Jennifer.
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์•ˆ๋…•, ์ œ๋‹ˆํผ.
19:14
Thank you for inviting me.
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์ดˆ๋Œ€ ํ•ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ ํ•ด์š”.
19:16
Absolutely.
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์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ.
19:17
So you're a polyglot.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‹ค๊ตญ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๊ตฐ์š”.
19:19
Why don't you tell everyone?
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๋ชจ๋‘์—๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜์ง€ ๊ทธ๋ž˜?
19:20
How many languages do you speak?
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์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋งŽ์€ ์–ธ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋ง์„ ํ• ?
19:24
So when people ask me how manyย  languages I speak, I always replyย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ๋ฌผ์œผ๋ฉด ๋‚˜๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ
19:28
that I've been learning 15 languagesย  and I am functional in 10 or 11.
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15๊ฐœ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์› ๊ณ  10๊ฐœ ๋˜๋Š” 11๊ฐœ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋Œ€๋‹ตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฆ‰,
19:35
Meaning that if you ask me at the drop of aย  hat to have a conversation with you right now,ย ย 
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์ €์—๊ฒŒ ์ฆ‰์‹œ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋ผ๊ณ  ์š”์ฒญํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์˜๋ฏธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ
19:40
I would be able to hold a conversationย  and more in 10 to 11 languages.
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10~11๊ฐœ ์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ๋Œ€ํ™” ๋“ฑ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:45
But I've been learning 15 in myย  language learning career, so to speak.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต ๊ฒฝ๋ ฅ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ๋งํ•˜์ž๋ฉด 15๊ฐœ๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:50
Well, I know a lot of people onย  my channel struggle with learningย ย 
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๋‚ด ์ฑ„๋„์˜ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
19:54
one language, so that's an amazing accomplishment.
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ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๋ฐ ์–ด๋ ค์›€์„ ๊ฒช๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฏ€๋กœ ์ด๋Š” ๋†€๋ผ์šด ์„ฑ๊ณผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:57
Now, just so everyone knows,ย  English is not your native language.
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์ด์ œ ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋“ฏ์ด ์˜์–ด๋Š” ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:02
Is that correct?
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๊ทธ ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
20:03
Yes, that's correct.
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๋„ค, ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:04
My native language is Italian.
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๋‚ด ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๋Š” ์ดํƒˆ๋ฆฌ์•„์–ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:05
I was born and raised in Italy.
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์ €๋Š” ์ดํƒˆ๋ฆฌ์•„์—์„œ ํƒœ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์ž๋ž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:08
OK, can you quickly summarize your experienceย  with learning English as a second language?
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์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ2์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด๋กœ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ํ•™์Šตํ•œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์š”์•ฝํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
20:13
Sure.
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ํ™•์‹ ํ•˜๋Š”.
20:14
So first doom and gloom and desperation at school.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ์˜ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ํŒŒ๋ฉธ๊ณผ ์šฐ์šธํ•จ๊ณผ ์ ˆ๋ง.
20:19
I started learning English whenย  I was 10, in middle school.
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์ €๋Š” 10์‚ด ๋•Œ ์ค‘ํ•™๊ต ๋•Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
20:23
And then at the ripe age of 12,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  12์‚ด์ด ๋˜๋˜ ํ•ด์—
20:26
my teachers decided to hire a anย  American tutor, Susan, from Chicago.
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์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์€ ์‹œ์นด๊ณ ์—์„œ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ธ ๊ฐ€์ •๊ต์‚ฌ Susan์„ ๊ณ ์šฉํ•˜๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:30
And that changed everything, because until thenย  I could not even pronounce the word enough.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐ”๊พธ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํžˆ ๋ฐœ์Œ์กฐ์ฐจ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:36
I used to say inalg, because Italians areย  notoriously like we we tend to read in Italian.
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๋‚˜๋Š” inalg๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณค ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ดํƒˆ๋ฆฌ์•„์ธ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ดํƒˆ๋ฆฌ์•„์–ด๋กœ ์ฝ๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ๊ธฐ๋กœ ์•…๋ช…์ด ๋†’๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:42
You read, you speak as you as you as you write so,ย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ฝ๊ณ , ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์“ฐ๋Š” ๋Œ€๋กœ ๋งํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ,
20:47
but in English, which is a non,ย  it's not a phonetic language.
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์˜์–ด๋Š” ์Œ์„ฑ ์–ธ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:50
It's completely different.
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์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:51
And then she changed everything because I movedย  from having to do homework for school and with aย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ•™๊ต ์ˆ™์ œ๋ฅผ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์—์„œ,
20:58
relatively, let's say, unpleasant English teacher,ย  to watching movies, having interesting andย ย 
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์ƒ๋Œ€์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ถˆ์พŒํ•œ ์˜์–ด ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์—์„œ, ์˜ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ , ๋‚˜๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ์˜ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋…น์Œํ•ด ์ฃผ๊ณค
21:05
meaningful conversations with Susan, who used toย  record, you know, movies for me back in the day.
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ํ–ˆ๋˜ Susan๊ณผ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ๊ณ  ์˜๋ฏธ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ฎ๊ฒผ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐ”๊พธ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ์ „์—.
21:10
We didn't have the Internetย  And I started having fun.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒ ์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท์ด ์—†์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋†€๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
21:14
I started realizing that I could learn English byย  myself and all those limiting beliefs that I had,ย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ํ˜ผ์ž์„œ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊นจ๋‹ซ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ๊ณ , ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ œํ•œ์ ์ธ ์‹ ๋…์€
21:20
both self-imposed and imposed byย  society then just melted like snow.
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์Šค์Šค๋กœ ๋ถ€๊ณผํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ์‚ฌํšŒ๊ฐ€ ๋ถ€๊ณผํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋ˆˆ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋…น์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:27
And that's the moment whereย  everything changed at at 12.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„ 12์‹œ์— ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋€Œ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:30
And then, you know, I started learning moreย  and more by myself, starting reading books,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ํ˜ผ์ž์„œ ์ ์  ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ๊ณ  , ์ฑ…์„ ์ฝ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ๊ณ ,
21:35
starting watching more and more, you know, movies.
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์˜ํ™”๋ฅผ ์ ์  ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ๋ณด๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:38
And then I went abroad toย  Ireland for the first time.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์ฒ˜์Œ์œผ๋กœ ์•„์ผ๋žœ๋“œ๋กœ ํ•ด์™ธ๋กœ ๊ฐ”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:40
And I remember that people call meย  the American in the neighborhood.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋™๋„ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ €๋ฅผ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ธ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฅด๋˜ ๊ธฐ์–ต์ด ๋‚˜๋„ค์š” .
21:44
And I was very proud of thatย  because just three years prior,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ์ž๋ž‘์Šค๋Ÿฌ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ถˆ๊ณผ 3๋…„ ์ „๋งŒ ํ•ด๋„
21:48
I could not even string a sentence together.
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์ €๋Š” ํ•œ ๋ฌธ์žฅ๋„ ์ด์–ด๋ถ™์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:50
And then in the course of last, I would say,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
21:53
or the last 20-30 years, I've beenย  using English a lot with my friends.
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์ง€๋‚œ 20~30๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์ €๋Š” ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค๊ณผ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋งŽ์ด ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ด ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:59
And you know, I've been livingย  with the English language.
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ์ €๋Š” ์˜์–ด์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์‚ด์•„์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:02
I've been, I've been, I've been learningย  English and using English a lot,ย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š”, ๋‚˜๋Š”, ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋งŽ์ด ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ด ์™”๊ธฐ
22:06
so now I think I speak it decently.
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๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ด์ œ๋Š” ๊ฝค ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:10
Oh, absolutely.
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์•„, ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด์ฃ .
22:11
I'm sure all my students would agree.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๋™์˜ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•œ๋‹ค.
22:14
And so for you, it seems like the momentย  that things change is when you went fromย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์žˆ์–ด ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ๋ฐ”๋€Œ๋Š” ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์€ ์ฆ๊ธฐ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋˜
22:20
a language learning approach that youย  didn't enjoy to one that you did enjoy.
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์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต ์ ‘๊ทผ ๋ฐฉ์‹์—์„œ ์ฆ๊ธธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ์ ‘๊ทผ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์ „ํ™˜ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์—๋„
22:26
Is that how you apply the same approachย  to learning your your other languages?
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๋™์ผํ•œ ์ ‘๊ทผ ๋ฐฉ์‹์„ ์ ์šฉํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š” ?
22:31
Yeah, let's put it this way, that the theย  shift was both a in terms of techniques butย ย 
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์˜ˆ, ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ‘œํ˜„ํ•˜์ž๋ฉด ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ ์ธ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ๋ณ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ
22:38
mostly in terms of mindset, because I suddenlyย  realized that I could actually learn English.
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์ฃผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ๊ณ ๋ฐฉ์‹ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ๋ณ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ‘์ž๊ธฐ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:43
Now, one thing that really happens withย  most students who've never learned anotherย ย 
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์ด์ œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด๋ฅผ ์„ฑ๊ณต์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐฐ์šด ์ ์ด ์—†๋Š” ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋Š” ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ผ์€
22:48
foreign language successfully is that theyย  don't actually believe that they can do it.
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ž์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ ์ผ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:51
And this reminds me of the time whenย  at the ripe age of seven, I tried to.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ผ๊ณฑ ์‚ด์ด ๋˜๋˜ ํ•ด์— ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ–ˆ๋˜ ๋•Œ๋ฅผ ์ƒ๊ฐ๋‚˜๊ฒŒ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:56
I was a seat of a bike and I triedย  to ride the bike for the first time.
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์ €๋Š” ์ž์ „๊ฑฐ์˜ ์ขŒ์„์ด์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ์ฒ˜์Œ์œผ๋กœ ์ž์ „๊ฑฐ๋ฅผ ํƒ€๋ ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
22:59
And I remember the frustration.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์ขŒ์ ˆ๊ฐ์„ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:01
I ended up in tears that dayย  and my father telling me,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋‚  ์ €๋Š” ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ๋ˆˆ๋ฌผ์„ ํ˜๋ ธ๊ณ  ์•„๋ฒ„์ง€๋Š” ์ €์—๊ฒŒ '
23:03
just be patient and you willย  learn how to ride the bike.
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์ธ๋‚ด์‹ฌ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋ฉด ์ž์ „๊ฑฐ ํƒ€๋Š” ๋ฒ•์„ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ'์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:07
Then when that magically happened, afterย  a few days of trying, I started believingย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๋งˆ์ˆ ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฌ์„ ๋•Œ ๋ฉฐ์น  ๋™์•ˆ ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•œ ๋์—
23:12
that I could actually ride a bikeย  and then I started riding a bike.
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ž์ „๊ฑฐ๋ฅผ ํƒˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒ ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ฏฟ์Œ์ด ์ƒ๊ธฐ๊ณ  ์ž์ „๊ฑฐ๋ฅผ ํƒ€๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:16
Same thing happens when we acquireย  a skill like learning a language.
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์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์„ ์Šต๋“ํ•  ๋•Œ๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:20
Until you've reached fluency in a language,ย ย 
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์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€๋Š” '
23:23
there's always this nagging thought that maybeย  you're not good enough, that maybe you don't.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ถ€์กฑํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š”' ์ž”์†Œ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋“ค๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:27
You're you were not bitten by the polyglot bug orย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‹ค๊ตญ์–ด ๋ฒŒ๋ ˆ์— ๋ฌผ๋ฆฐ ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ณ ,
23:30
blessed by the gods or the languageย  gods that you don't have talent.
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์žฌ๋Šฅ์ด ์—†๋Š” ์‹ ์ด๋‚˜ ์–ธ์–ด ์‹ ์˜ ์ถ•๋ณต์„ ๋ฐ›์€ ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:34
So the reality is that every single personย  on this planet can learn a foreign language,ย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ํ˜„์‹ค์€ ์ด ์ง€๊ตฌ์ƒ์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด
23:39
any foreign language for that matter, if theyย  already speak their own native language fluently.
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์ด๋ฏธ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๋ฅผ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:44
The problem is that unfortunately,ย  within the education system,ย ย 
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๋ฌธ์ œ๋Š” ๋ถˆํ–‰ํ•˜๊ฒŒ๋„ ๊ต์œก ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ ๋‚ด์—์„œ
23:49
the education system is kind of, weย  have it backwards, unfortunately.
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๊ต์œก ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์ด ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๊ฑฐ๊พธ๋กœ ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:53
So people tend to learn in a veryย  inefficient way, and they tend toย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋งค์šฐ ๋น„ํšจ์œจ์ ์ธ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ํ•™์Šตํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ๊ณ ,
23:57
conclude they come to the conclusion that it'sย  their fault, that they're not good enough.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์ž˜๋ชป์ด๊ณ  ์ž์‹ ์ด ๋ถ€์กฑํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒฐ๋ก ์— ๋„๋‹ฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:02
How many times do we have these limiting beliefs?
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ œํ•œ์ ์ธ ๋ฏฟ์Œ์„ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋งŽ์ด ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
24:04
So I think that what really changed forย  me was the fact that I started believing,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง ๋ณ€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€
24:10
like Susan brought about thisย  revolution in terms of techniques.
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์ˆ˜์ž”์ด ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ ์ธ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ํ˜๋ช…์„ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜จ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ฏฟ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:15
Yes, that was important also toย  discover, you know, the joy of learning.
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๋„ค, ํ•™์Šต์˜ ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์›€์„ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์ค‘์š”ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:20
But I think the real shift was psychologicalย  more than technical, so to speak.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ง„์ •ํ•œ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋Š” ๋งํ•˜์ž๋ฉด ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ ์ด๋ผ๊ธฐ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ์‹ฌ๋ฆฌ์ ์ธ ๋ณ€ํ™”์˜€๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:24
And then but but then you know theย  combination of the psychologicalย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ์‹ฌ๋ฆฌ์ 
24:28
change and the adopting techniques andย  strategies and activities that I really like,ย ย 
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๋ณ€ํ™”์™€ ๊ธฐ์ˆ , ์ „๋žต ๋ฐ ํ™œ๋™ ์ฑ„ํƒ์˜ ์กฐํ•ฉ์€
24:36
you know, this combinationย  was work wonders for me.
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์ €์—๊ฒŒ ๋†€๋ผ์šด ์ผ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:39
That's the real difference, you know.
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ง„์งœ ์ฐจ์ด์ ์ด์ฃ .
24:41
Game changer, as they say.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด ๊ฒŒ์ž„ ์ฒด์ธ์ €.
24:43
I'm happy you mentioned that becauseย  I do receive a lot of comments,ย ย 
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24:47
emails from students and they're just frustrated.
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋งŽ์€ ๋Œ“๊ธ€๊ณผ ์ด๋ฉ”์ผ์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜๋Š”๋ฐ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์ขŒ์ ˆ๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๋ผ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์„ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ธฐ์ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:51
They say, Jennifer, I've been learningย  English for 10 years, 15 years.
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์ œ๋‹ˆํผ, ์ €๋Š” 10๋…„, 15๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์› ์–ด์š”.
24:55
I've been living in North America for 25 yearsย  and I'm still struggling with my English.
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์ €๋Š” ๋ถ๋ฏธ์—์„œ 25๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์‚ด์•˜ ์ง€๋งŒ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์˜์–ด์— ์–ด๋ ค์›€์„ ๊ฒช๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:02
And I can tell there's a lot ofย  frustration in those messages I get.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ›์€ ๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€์—๋Š” ์ขŒ์ ˆ๊ฐ์ด ๋งŽ์ด ๋‹ด๊ฒจ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:07
So how can these students change that belief ifย  they've had it for 1015 years or even longer?
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ด ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด 1015๋…„ ์ด์ƒ ๊ทธ ๋ฏฟ์Œ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ ๋ฏฟ์Œ์„ ๋ฐ”๊ฟ€ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
25:15
Do you have any advice for them?
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๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์กฐ์–ธ์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
25:18
So first of all, I believe that we all haveย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ์„ , ์ €๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”
25:21
limiting beliefs about whatย  we can do and we cannot do.
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๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ œํ•œ๋œ ๋ฏฟ์Œ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
25:24
But the past does not have to defineย  our future in the sense that yes,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ๊ฐ€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜๋ฅผ ์ •์˜ํ•  ํ•„์š”๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ,
25:28
it did, it did happen, like you've maybe youย  still finding it difficult to speak Englishย ย 
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๊ทธ๋žฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋งˆ๋„
25:34
even if you live in the United States orย  England or any English speaking country.
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ด๋‚˜ ์˜๊ตญ์— ๊ฑฐ์ฃผํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ง€์—ญ์— ๊ฑฐ์ฃผํ•˜๋”๋ผ๋„ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์˜์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋ ต๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ตญ๊ฐ€.
25:39
I do believe though that first of all, it doesn'tย  matter where you live, it matters how you live.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ์„  ์–ด๋””์— ์‚ฌ๋Š”์ง€๋Š” ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌ๋Š”์ง€๊ฐ€ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:44
If you take for example two students,ย ย 
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ๋‘ ๋ช…์˜ ํ•™์ƒ,
25:46
one who lives in the United States andย  let's say a Spanish speaking student,ย ย 
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์— ๊ฑฐ์ฃผํ•˜๋Š” ํ•œ ๋ช…๊ณผ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜๋Š” ํ•™์ƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๊ฐ€์ •ํ•˜๋ฉด,
25:51
One lives in the United States but always hangsย  around with other Spanish speaking people.
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ํ•œ ๋ช…์€ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์— ๊ฑฐ์ฃผํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์–ด์šธ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:57
Or when they try to learn English, theyย  get into the same old paradigm of I'm notย ย 
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๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•  ๋•Œ
26:02
sure I can actually learn, they stumbleย  upon their words, et cetera, et cetera.
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์ž˜ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ๊ณ , ์šฐ์—ฐํžˆ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ•˜๋Š” ๋“ฑ์˜ ๋™์ผํ•œ ์˜ค๋ž˜๋œ ํŒจ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ค์ž„์— ๋น ์ง€๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:05
And then you take another student who does notย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ
26:08
live in the United States or anyย  other English speaking country.
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ด๋‚˜ ๊ธฐํƒ€ ์˜์–ด๊ถŒ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์— ๊ฑฐ์ฃผํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํ•™์ƒ์„ ๋ฐ๋ ค๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:12
But then they spend time listening to podcastsย  or like talk, having interesting conversations,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๊ณ  ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋ฉฐ
26:16
maybe on Skype or even meeting English speaking,ย ย 
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Skype์—์„œ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๋งŒ๋‚˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
26:20
you know, natives in a bar aroundย  the corner in a language exchange.
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๋ชจํ‰์ด์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฐ”์—์„œ ์–ธ์–ด ๊ตํ™˜์„ ํ•˜๋ฉฐ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋ƒ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:26
So first of all, it's how you live, notย  where and if, if, then how you live.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋ฌด์—‡๋ณด๋‹ค๋„ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์‚ฌ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์ด์ง€, ์–ด๋””์„œ, ๋งŒ์•ฝ, ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌ๋Š”์ง€๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:31
You know what you do in your everyday life,ย  and on top of that you also live in country.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ผ์ƒ ์ƒํ™œ์—์„œ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ๊ฒŒ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์‹œ๊ณจ์—๋„ ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:37
So you live in the UK or the US.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์˜๊ตญ์ด๋‚˜ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์— ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง
26:39
That's a great combination.
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์ข‹์€ ์กฐํ•ฉ์ด๋„ค์š”.
26:40
But first of all, you have to learnย  how to use your time properly.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ์„  ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ๋ฐฐ์›Œ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:44
That's the very first thing.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:45
The second thing I would say is that, again,ย  the fact that you learned poorly before orย ย 
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๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋กœ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๊ฒƒ์€, ์ด์ „์— ์ œ๋Œ€๋กœ ๋ฐฐ์› ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋น„ํšจ์œจ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐฐ์› ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด
26:50
inefficiently before does not mean that youย  have to learn poorly for the rest of your life.
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ํ‰์ƒ ๋™์•ˆ ์ œ๋Œ€๋กœ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์˜๋ฏธ๋Š” ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:55
There's always like, what?
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ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒŒ ์žˆ์ง€, ๋ญ? ๋” ์ž˜, ๋” ํšจ์œจ์ ์œผ๋กœ
26:57
When is the best time to learnย  better, more efficiently?
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ํ•™์Šตํ•˜๊ธฐ์— ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์€ ์‹œ๊ธฐ๋Š” ์–ธ์ œ์ธ๊ฐ€์š” ?
27:01
It's now.
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์ง€๊ธˆ์ด๋‹ค.
27:02
Doesn't matter how old you are.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ช‡ ์‚ด์ธ์ง€๋Š” ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:03
Some people say I'm all 40, I'm 50.
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์–ด๋–ค ๋ถ„๋“ค์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค 40๋Œ€, 50๋Œ€๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:06
You have to learn a language, a foreign language,ย ย 
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์–ธ์–ด, ์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์›Œ์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ, ๋ง์„ ์ž˜ํ•˜๋ ค๋ฉด
27:08
when you're in your teens ifย  you want to speak well, it does.
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10๋Œ€ ๋•Œ ๋ฐฐ์›Œ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
27:11
It's not true.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:12
I recently heard a story of someoneย  who's learned a foreign language inย ย 
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์ตœ๊ทผ 60๋Œ€ ์— ์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์› ๊ณ 
27:15
their 60s and learned a foreignย  language well within three years.
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3๋…„ ๋งŒ์— ์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ž˜ ๋ฐฐ์šด ๋ถ„์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:20
So recently at my language running Academy, anย  80 year old girl sent me a message, said Luca.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ตœ๊ทผ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์šด์˜ํ•˜๋Š” ์–ดํ•™์›์—์„œ 80์„ธ ์†Œ๋…€๊ฐ€ ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋ƒˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  Luca๋Š” ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:26
Until I was 80 I could not speak Spanish and now Iย ย 
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80์„ธ๊ฐ€ ๋  ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€๋Š” ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ์ด์ œ๋Š” ๋ช‡ ๋‹ฌ
27:29
speak Spanish fluently in a matterย  of months, so it's never too old.
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๋งŒ์— ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜๋‹ˆ ๊ฒฐ์ฝ” ๋Šฆ์€ ๋‚˜์ด๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:35
The third thing is I believe that the main reasonย  why a lot of people, including people who live inย ย 
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์„ธ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์— ๊ฑฐ์ฃผํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์˜๊ตญ์— ๊ฑฐ์ฃผํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ํฌํ•จํ•˜์—ฌ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
27:42
the US or live in in the UK or whatever, they doย  not speak well comes from a number of factors.
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๋ง์„ ์ž˜ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ์ฃผ๋œ ์ด์œ ๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์š”์ธ์—์„œ ๋น„๋กฏ๋œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:49
The 1st is the the belief that they're not good atย ย 
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์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ์ž์‹ ์ด
27:53
language learning or they'reย  not good at learning English.
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์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์„ ์ž˜ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์„ ์ž˜ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ฏฟ์Œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:55
That's the first thing.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:56
The second thing is that maybe they don't listenย  or they don't speak enough, they tend to useย ย 
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๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋“ฃ์ง€ ์•Š๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํžˆ ๋งํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋™์ผํ•œ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
28:03
the same techniques or they tend to stick to theย  same paradigms of of what they used to do before.
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์ด์ „์— ์‚ฌ์šฉํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๋™์ผํ•œ ํŒจ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ค์ž„์„ ๊ณ ์ˆ˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:10
Meaning, maybe they speak a littleย  bit, but they're a little bit timid,ย ย 
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์ฆ‰, ๋ง์„ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ์†Œ์‹ฌํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ ,
28:13
they're a little bit shy andย  maybe they don't listen enough,ย ย 
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์กฐ๊ธˆ ์ˆ˜์ค์–ดํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ , ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํžˆ ๋“ฃ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ ,
28:17
they don't watch movies, theyย  don't get immersed in the language.
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์˜ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ง€ ์•Š์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ , ์–ธ์–ด์— ๋ชฐ์ž…ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. .
28:19
We can talk about this a little bitย  more in detail, but there's capital,ย ย 
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์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ข€ ๋” ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ž๋ณธ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:24
a very important things that people can haveย  to change if they want to learn a language.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋ฐ”๊ฟ”์•ผ ํ•  ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:28
Well, the good news is that nowadays withย  the Internet, you can do anything you want.
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์ข‹์€ ์†Œ์‹์€ ์š”์ฆ˜์—๋Š” ์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท์œผ๋กœ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋“  ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:34
If you learn how to use the Internet correctly.
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์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท์„ ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ๋ฐฐ์šด๋‹ค๋ฉด. ํ† ๋ผ ๊ตด์—
28:36
Instead of getting in, like getting suckedย  in the rabbit hole of, you know, spendingย ย 
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๋นจ๋ ค ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ
28:41
time scrolling the whole day, you can do, you canย  engage in meaningful activities learning English.
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ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ข…์ผ ์Šคํฌ๋กคํ•˜๋ฉฐ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด๋Š” ๋Œ€์‹ , ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ์˜๋ฏธ ์žˆ๋Š” ํ™œ๋™์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:47
So these are the three important things thatย  you have to take into account that explain whyย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ด๊ฒƒ์€
28:52
a lot of people do not speak English well, evenย  if they live in the in, you know, in the US.
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๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์— ๊ฑฐ์ฃผํ•˜๋”๋ผ๋„ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์ž˜ ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋ฅผ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๊ณ ๋ คํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์„ธ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์‚ฌํ•ญ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:58
Well, it's very inspiring that you mentioned thatย  woman who's 80 years old and got amazing results.
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, 80์„ธ์˜ ์—ฌ์„ฑ์ด ๋†€๋ผ์šด ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ์–ป์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ณ ๋ฌด์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:04
Because I know that of course is one of theย ย 
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๋ฌผ๋ก 
29:06
limiting beliefs studentsย  have is, oh, I'm too old.
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ œํ•œ์ ์ธ ๋ฏฟ์Œ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๊ฐ€ ' ์•„, ๋‚œ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋Š™์—ˆ๊ตฌ๋‚˜'๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:10
I don't have enough time.
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์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๋ถ€์กฑํ•ด์š”.
29:11
You hear these beliefs again and again.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋ฏฟ์Œ์„ ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ๋“ฃ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:14
Now Speaking of mindset, one of the mindsetย  factors I hear from students a lot is just fear.
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์ด์ œ ์‚ฌ๊ณ ๋ฐฉ์‹์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งํ•˜์ž๋ฉด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ์„œ ๋งŽ์ด ๋“ฃ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๊ณ ๋ฐฉ์‹ ์š”์ธ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๋‘๋ ค์›€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:21
This fear of making mistakes, this fearย  of being judged, and it prevents themย ย 
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์‹ค์ˆ˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋‘๋ ค์›€, ํ‰๊ฐ€๋ฐ›๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋‘๋ ค์›€์€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด
29:28
from actually going out there andย  using their English in the real world.
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋‚˜๊ฐ€์„œ ํ˜„์‹ค ์„ธ๊ณ„์—์„œ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐฉํ•ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:32
So they spend all their timeย  studying, acquiring vocabulary,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๊ณ , ์–ดํœ˜๋ฅผ ์ตํžˆ๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋ชจ๋“  ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์Ÿ์ง€๋งŒ,
29:37
but then they don't have theย  confidence to actually use it.
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ณธ์ธ์ด๋‚˜ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด
29:42
Have you experienced that withย  yourself or your students?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ํ•˜์‹  ์ ์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š” ?
29:44
And what advice would you share?
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์–ด๋–ค ์กฐ์–ธ์„ ๊ณต์œ ํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
29:46
So let me first tell you thatย  this is a very human being,ย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋จผ์ € ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ์ธ๊ฐ„์ ์ธ ์กด์žฌ,
29:50
a human thing, to be scared of, youย  know, getting out of your comfort zone.
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์ธ๊ฐ„์ ์ธ ์ผ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ ์„ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ต์ˆ™ํ•œ ์˜์—ญ์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‘๋ ค์›Œํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:54
When we, when we get out of ourย  comfort zone, we're always scared.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์•ˆ์ „์ง€๋Œ€์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚  ๋•Œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ฒ์„ ๋จน์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:58
That's the first thing.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:59
So it's completely, completely normalย  to be scared or slightly anxious aboutย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์›์–ด๋ฏผ๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค ๋งŒ์œผ๋กœ๋„ ๊ฒ์ด ๋‚˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๋ถˆ์•ˆํ•ด์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ์ •์ƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
30:05
the mere fact of having to have aย  conversation with a native speaker.
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.
30:10
So that's that's the firstย  thing to take into account.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋จผ์ € ๊ณ ๋ คํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์‚ฌํ•ญ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:12
The second thing to take into account isย  that I, I foresee like these three zones,ย ย 
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๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋กœ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ ์€ ์ด ์„ธ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์˜์—ญ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ ์ฒ˜์Œ
30:19
you have the comfort zone atย  the at the beginning, right?
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์—๋Š” ํŽธ์•ˆํ•จ ์˜์—ญ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:23
So that's where you stand where you're likeย  sitting in the corner, you're learning vocabulary,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ตฌ์„์— ์•‰์•„ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ
30:27
but you don't want to venture out thereย  and have you know talk to talk to people.
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๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ๋กœ ๋ชจํ—˜์„ ๋– ๋‚˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ณณ์— ์„œ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:32
Then you have out like there's anotherย  layer or zone around that zone,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ํ•ด๋‹น ์˜์—ญ ์ฃผ๋ณ€์— ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ ˆ์ด์–ด๋‚˜ ์˜์—ญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ณด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:36
which I call like it's called the Goldilocks zone.
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์ €๋Š” ์ด๋ฅผ ๊ณจ๋””๋ฝ์Šค ์˜์—ญ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:40
So it's slightly challenging,ย  but it's not too challenging.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ์–ด๋ ต์ง€๋งŒ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์–ด๋ ต์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:44
I'll give you a concrete example in a second.
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์ž ์‹œ ํ›„์— ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:46
And then you have the panic zone.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํŒจ๋‹‰ ์กด์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:47
The panic zone is where you're completelyย  out of your comfort zone so far that it'sย ย 
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ํŒจ๋‹‰ ์กด์€ ์ง€๊ธˆ ๊นŒ์ง€์˜ ์•ˆ์ „ ์ง€๋Œ€์—์„œ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚œ ๊ณณ์œผ๋กœ,
30:53
you panic because it's too difficult an example.
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์˜ˆ๊ฐ€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์–ด๋ ต๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋‹นํ™ฉํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:56
So your comfort zone is, let's say, whoever isย  listening, if you're, you know, you're you'veย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ์•ˆ์ „์ง€๋Œ€๋Š” ๋“ฃ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋“ ์ง€, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๋‹น์‹ ์€
31:00
been learning a language for a little bit andย  or for a long time for that matter, English.
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์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋˜๋Š” ์˜ค๋žซ๋™์•ˆ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์›Œ์˜จ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:05
And you still find it difficult, you know, Youย  still tremble at the idea of speaking to someone,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„์ง๋„ ์–ด๋ ต๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋Š๋ผ์‹œ์ฃ . ์•„์ง๋„ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์—๊ฒŒ ๋ง์„ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ๋–จ๋ฆฌ์‹œ
31:10
or you're interacting with someone, but you,ย  you, you get you, you know, you don't expressย ย 
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๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์™€ ๊ต๋ฅ˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹œ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๋‹น์‹ ์€, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด, ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ณ , ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
31:16
yourself smoothly because your mind goes blankย  and you think, Oh my God, they're judging me.
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์›ํ™œํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ž์‹ ์„ ํ‘œํ˜„ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋Š” ๋งˆ์Œ์ด ๋ฉํ•ด์ง€๊ณ  ' ๋ง™์†Œ์‚ฌ, ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋‚˜๋ฅผ ํŒ๋‹จํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค'๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:21
I'm making mistakes.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์ €์ง€๋ฅด๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
31:22
You think about Rammer, all thoseย  things that make it difficult.
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Rammer์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณด๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์–ด๋ ต๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด์š”.
31:25
Then think about this.
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ด๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณด์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
31:27
Your comfort zone is sitting in frontย  of a computer and making maybe lists ofย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์•ˆ์ „์ง€๋Œ€๋Š” ์ปดํ“จํ„ฐ ์•ž์— ์•‰์•„ ๋‹จ์–ด ๋ชฉ๋ก์„ ์ž‘์„ฑํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
31:31
words or maybe watching something passively right.
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์ˆ˜๋™์ ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ณ์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:34
So that is an excuse of, oh, I'm engaging with theย  language, but I'm not actually talking to people.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ '์•„, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์–ธ์–ด์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋Š” ์•Š๋‹ค'๋Š” ๋ณ€๋ช…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:40
Then you have the goal, whatย  I call the Goldilocks zone.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ Goldilocks ์˜์—ญ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฅด๋Š” ๋ชฉํ‘œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:43
It's a good zone.
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์ข‹์€ ์ง€์—ญ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ณณ์€
31:44
It's a good zone to be in.
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๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€๊ธฐ ์ข‹์€ ๊ณณ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:46
And you tell yourself, OK,ย  I'm scared, fine, normal.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์Šค์Šค๋กœ์—๊ฒŒ '๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๋‚œ ๋ฌด์„œ์›Œ, ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„, ์ •์ƒ์ด์•ผ'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:49
But I could have, maybe I could hire a tutor,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
31:52
a very nice and friendly person withย  whom I could have a conversation.
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์•„์ฃผ ์นœ์ ˆํ•˜๊ณ  ์นœ์ ˆํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ธ ๊ฐ€์ •๊ต์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ๊ณ ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆŒ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์—ˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์—๊ฒŒ ๋ˆ์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•˜๋“ , ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆŒ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ์ฐพ๋“  ๋น„์šฉ์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•˜๊ธฐ
31:56
It's a protected environment becauseย  you're paying whether you're payingย ย 
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๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์•ˆ์ „ํ•œ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:59
someone or you find someone, someoneย  you can have a conversation with.
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32:03
Maybe on Skype, there is no background noise.
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Skype์—์„œ๋Š” ๋ฐฐ๊ฒฝ ์†Œ์Œ์ด ์—†์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:06
That person knows that you're a learner,ย  and then you can have a conversation.
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆŒ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ด€์‹ฌ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ฃผ์ œ
32:10
You can prepare beforehand aboutย  a topic you're interested in,ย ย 
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์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ฏธ๋ฆฌ ์ค€๋น„ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ ,
32:13
and you can have a meaningful conversation.
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์˜๋ฏธ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆŒ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:15
That's a Gray zone that you can get in aย  Gray zone, but a good zone to be in so thatย ย 
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์ด๋Š” ํšŒ์ƒ‰ ์˜์—ญ์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ํšŒ์ƒ‰ ์˜์—ญ์ด์ง€๋งŒ
32:20
you can actually step out of your comfortย  zone progressively have a conversation.
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ํŽธ์•ˆํ•œ ์˜์—ญ์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚˜ ์ ์ง„์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆŒ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ข‹์€ ์˜์—ญ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:25
You realize that was not a big deal.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ํฐ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊นจ๋‹ซ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:28
The person was nice.
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ์นœ์ ˆํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
32:29
I stumbled and I grumbled a little bit,ย  but at the end of the day I made it.
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๋น„ํ‹€๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์กฐ๊ธˆ ํˆฌ๋œ๋Œ€๊ธฐ๋„ ํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ์—” ํ•ด๋ƒˆ์–ด์š”.
32:33
And then you have the panic zone.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํŒจ๋‹‰ ์กด์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:34
The panic zone is where you get outย  and say you go and buy something.
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ํŒจ๋‹‰ ์กด์€ ๋ฐ–์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜๊ฐ€์„œ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ฐ€๊ฒ ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณณ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:39
Let's say, I don't know, maybe a train ticket.
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ๊ธฐ์ฐจํ‘œ์ผ์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:42
You go to the station and unfortunatelyย  you come across a very grumpy old ladyย ย 
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์—ญ์— ๊ฐ€๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๋ถˆํ–‰ํ•˜๊ฒŒ๋„ ๋งค์šฐ ์‹ฌ์ˆ ๊ถ‚์€ ๋…ธ๋ถ€์ธ์„ ๋งŒ๋‚˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ฐ์ž์˜ ์ด์œ  ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
32:48
or a guy we're not very happyย  because of their own reasons.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ณ„๋กœ ํ–‰๋ณตํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๋‚จ์ž๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋‚˜๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
32:52
And then they blurt outย  something you do not understand.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ดํ•ดํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ๋ง์„ ๋ถˆ์‘ฅ ๋‚ด๋ฑ‰์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:55
And you find yourself in that situationย  where, oh Oh my gosh, what do I do?
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ' ์˜ค, ์ด๋Ÿฐ, ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜์ง€?'๋ผ๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ์ฒ˜ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:59
Do I reply that I do not understand and like,ย  look like a fool, or do I nod and I pretend thatย ย 
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์ดํ•ด ๋ชป ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ข‹์•„ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋Œ€๋‹ตํ• ๊นŒ, ๋ฐ”๋ณด์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ณด์ผ๊นŒ, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๊ณ ๊ฐœ๋ฅผ ๋„๋•์ด๊ณ  ์ดํ•ดํ•œ ์ฒ™ ํ• ๊นŒ,
33:05
I understand These are not easy situations becauseย  we think, oh, you just have to buy a ticket.
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์•„, ํ‹ฐ์ผ“๋งŒ ์‚ฌ๋ฉด ๋˜๋Š”๊ตฌ๋‚˜โ€™๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์‰ฝ์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด๋‹ค.
33:10
But in real life conversations and interactions,ย  native speakers are not your teachers.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์‹ค์ œ ๋Œ€ํ™”์™€ ์ƒํ˜ธ์ž‘์šฉ์—์„œ ์›์–ด๋ฏผ์€ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
33:15
They go about their own business.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
33:17
That's the reason why that's a panic zone.
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ํŒจ๋‹‰์กด์ด ๋˜๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋‹ค.
33:19
So my simple advice is tryย  to build your comfort zone.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋“œ๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•œ ์กฐ์–ธ์€ ํŽธ์•ˆํ•จ์„ ๋Š๋ผ๋„๋ก ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
33:24
If you're scared of speaking, the oneย  thing that you have to think aboutย ย 
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๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋‘๋ ค์šด ๊ฒฝ์šฐ, ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋Š”
33:28
is to find a situation where you findย  some comfort a person who's friendly.
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์นœ์ ˆํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์–ด๋Š ์ •๋„ ์œ„์•ˆ์„ ์ค„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์„ ์ฐพ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
33:35
Not necessarily competent, but friendly.
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๋ฐ˜๋“œ์‹œ ์œ ๋Šฅํ•˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ ์นœ์ ˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
33:38
Let me say this again, becauseย  this is very important.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
33:40
People tend to think that when they have toย  prepare, prepare or just interact with someone,ย ย 
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ค€๋น„ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์™€ ๊ต๋ฅ˜ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๋•Œ ์˜์–ด ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์„ ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ด ์ฃผ๋Š”
33:46
they have to find a very competent personย  who explains the English grammar in detail.
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๋งค์šฐ ์œ ๋Šฅํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ์ฐพ์•„์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
33:52
That's not true.
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ์•ผ.
33:53
You need someone to talk to.
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๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
33:54
That's the main point.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์š”์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
33:56
That person will listen to you, will possiblyย  give you feedback for the mistakes you make,ย ย 
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋ง์„ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ €์ง€๋ฅธ ์‹ค์ˆ˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ํ”ผ๋“œ๋ฐฑ์„ ์ค„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:00
but they don't have to explainย  grammar to you in detail.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์„ ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•  ํ•„์š”๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
34:03
Nowadays we have.
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์š”์ฆ˜์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:04
You can do that if you want to, but the main goalย  is to actually speak, to have a conversation.
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์›ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ฃผ์š” ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋Š” ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:12
Fluency is not just a matterย  of how many words you know,ย ย 
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์œ ์ฐฝํ•จ์€ ๋‹จ์ˆœํžˆ ๋‹จ์–ด ์ˆ˜,
34:16
how many grammar rules you know, or if whetherย  your pronunciation is good or accurate or not.
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๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ๊ทœ์น™ ์ˆ˜, ๋ฐœ์Œ์ด ์ข‹์€์ง€ ์ •ํ™•ํ•œ์ง€์˜ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:22
It's a degree of confidence that you buildย  with experiences that you have and the firstย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ•œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ๋ฐ”ํƒ•์œผ๋กœ ์Œ“์€ ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์˜ ์ •๋„์ด๋ฉฐ,
34:29
experience you can have nowadays weย  can, because we have the Internet,ย ย 
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์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์€ ์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท์ด ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
34:32
is to have a conversation with someone thatย  you find friendly in a protected environment.
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๋ณดํ˜ธ๋œ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์—์„œ ์นœ๊ทผํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐ๋˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:36
That's the first thing that I would do.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ•  ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:38
The second thing that I would do,ย  and that's maybe even more important,ย ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์ผ์€, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์ค‘์š”ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:43
is this the reason why we tend to stumble, Weย  tend to think about grammar, Our mind goes blank,ย ย 
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์‹ค์ˆ˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ์ด์œ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ๊ณ , ๋งˆ์Œ์ด ๋ฉํ•ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:51
is due to something that, unfortunately,ย  we were all subjected to think about.
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๋ถˆํ–‰ํ•˜๊ฒŒ๋„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๊ฒช์—ˆ๋˜ ์ผ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
34:56
You're from the United States, I'm from Italy.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ ์™”๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ดํƒˆ๋ฆฌ์•„์—์„œ ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:58
But all across the world, theย  pattern is always the same.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„์ ์œผ๋กœ ํŒจํ„ด์€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋™์ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:01
At school, we tend to think in terms ofย  performance, not in terms of communication.
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ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ๋Š” ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ์„ฑ๊ณผ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:08
Children have a great time using foreignย  languages because you learning their ownย ย 
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์•„์ด๋“ค์€ ์ž์‹ ์˜
35:12
native language, because theyย  communicate, they have fun.
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๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ , ์˜์‚ฌ ์†Œํ†ตํ•˜๊ณ , ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์šด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋ƒ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:16
They just don't think, oh, I'll be judged.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‹จ์ง€ '์•„, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์‹ฌํŒ์„ ๋ฐ›์„ ๊ฑฐ์•ผ'๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:19
But adults or adults, whatย  happens is that they go to school,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์–ด๋ฅธ์ด๋“  ์–ด๋ฅธ์ด๋“  ํ•™๊ต์— ๊ฐ€๋ฉด ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋‚˜์š”?
35:23
they constantly think I'm getting aย  mark, am I going to get good mark?
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋Š์ž„์—†์ด ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ข‹์€ ์ ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
35:26
Am I going to get bad mark.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‚˜์œ ์ ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›๊ฒŒ ๋ ๊นŒ์š”?
35:27
So someone I don't know,ย  the teacher addresses you.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜์—๊ฒŒ ๋ง์„ ๊ฑฐ๋Š”๊ตฐ์š”.
35:30
You're not thinking about AI mean.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ AI ์˜๋ฏธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:33
I want to talk about this because I'm so excited.
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์‹ ๋‚˜์„œ ์ด๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:36
You're thinking, let me try to survive, youย  know, let me try to say whatever I can say.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์‚ด์•„๋‚จ๋„๋ก ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜์ž, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ง์€ ๋ญ๋“ ์ง€ ํ•ด๋ณด์ž๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:40
But thinking I have toย  conjugate the verb correctly,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๋™์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ํ™œ์šฉํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์„œ
35:43
I have to say this the, youย  know, that's the problem.
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์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฌธ์ œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์„ฑ๊ณผ ๋Œ€์‹ 
35:46
And if you start focusing on communicationย  instead of performance, it changes everything.
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์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆ์ผ€์ด์…˜์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‹ฌ๋ผ์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:51
So here's my piece of advice.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ์ œ ์กฐ์–ธ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:53
Whenever you have a conversation,ย  make sure that you prepare something,ย ย 
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๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ํ•  ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค ์ž์‹ ์ด
35:56
a topic that you really like,ย  and just talk about that.
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์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ์ฃผ์ œ, ์ฆ‰ ์ฃผ์ œ๋ฅผ ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
35:59
Get excited.
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๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜๋‹ค.
36:00
It doesn't matter if you make mistakes or not.
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์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋“  ์•ˆ ํ•˜๋“  ์ƒ๊ด€์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:02
The most important thing isย  you get your point across.
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์š”์ ์„ ์ „๋‹ฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:05
If I told you for example in English Iย  tomorrow school you will understand perfectly.
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋‚ด์ผ ํ•™๊ต์— ์˜์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๋ฉด ์™„๋ฒฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜์‹ค ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:13
I tomorrow to go to schoolย  you will understand perfectly,ย ย 
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๋‚ด์ผ ํ•™๊ต์— ๊ฐ€๋Š”๋ฐ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ •ํ™•ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋”๋ผ๋„ ์™„๋ฒฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜์‹ค ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”
36:17
even if it's not grammatically accurate.
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.
36:19
But it's better to say something and makeย  a mistake rather than not saying anything.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์•„๋ฌด ๋ง๋„ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ง์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋” ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:24
But this again you have to you have to understandย  and be aware of the fact that the outcome police.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด ์—ญ์‹œ ๊ฒฝ์ฐฐ์ด ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋‚ณ๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ณ  ์ธ์ง€ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งˆ์น˜
36:30
It's like, oh, you made a mistake, is there.
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, ์•„, ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๊ตฐ์š”.
36:33
If you change this, if you have experiencedย  this mind shift, not performance,ย ย 
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์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐ”๊พธ๋ฉด ์„ฑ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ ์˜์‚ฌ
36:38
but communication, it changes everything.
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์†Œํ†ต์˜ ์‚ฌ๊ณ  ๋ณ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋€Œ๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:40
One last thing.
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๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ํ•œ๊ฐ€์ง€.
36:41
I know I'm rambling a little bit,ย  but I love this, I love this topic.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ข€ ํšก์„ค์ˆ˜์„คํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑด ์•Œ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ €๋Š” ์ด ์ฃผ์ œ๋ฅผ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. '์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋‹ค'
36:46
There is a beautiful Ted talk which is calledย  Teaching English without teaching English.
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๋ผ๋Š” ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์šด Ted ๊ฐ•์—ฐ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
36:52
I think I I wrote it here somewhere.
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์–ด๋”˜๊ฐ€์— ์“ด ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
36:54
It's called by Roberto Guzman.
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๋กœ๋ฒ ๋ฅดํ†  ๊ตฌ์ฆˆ๋งŒ(Roberto Guzman)์ด ๋ถˆ๋ €์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:56
He's a he's a Mexican guy who's teachingย  Mexican kids to learn to to speak English.
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๋ฉ•์‹œ์ฝ” ์–ด๋ฆฐ์ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์˜์–ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฒ•์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ๋ฉ•์‹œ์ฝ” ๋‚จ์ž์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
37:01
Beautiful.
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์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์šด. ๊ทธ ์ž์‹ ๋งŒ์˜ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ
37:02
It talks about all the stuffย  in his own his own way.
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๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
37:05
You know and and I think some these are universalย  principles focus on communication and not outcome.
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต์— ์ดˆ์ ์„ ๋งž์ถ˜ ๋ณดํŽธ์ ์ธ ์›์น™์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
37:12
You raised so many points.
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ํฌ์ธํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋งŽ์ด ์˜ฌ๋ ค์ฃผ์…จ๋„ค์š”.
37:14
I hope everyone is paying attention becauseย  Luca has given you all such amazing adviceย ย 
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Luca๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์—๊ฒŒ ๋†€๋ผ์šด ์กฐ์–ธ์„ ํ•ด์คฌ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
37:20
and this is something I've seen with my students.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ์„œ ๋ณธ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
37:23
They well, they think that when they'reย  communicating with a native speaker,ย ย 
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์›์–ด๋ฏผ๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด
37:28
it's the same as communicating with their teacher.
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์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
37:30
They expect to be assessed, judged, corrected.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ํ‰๊ฐ€, ํŒ๋‹จ, ๊ต์ •์„ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
37:35
They think it's an appropriate time to think aboutย  grammar, correct their mistakes, ask for feedback.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ง€๊ธˆ์ด ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  , ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์ˆ˜์ •ํ•˜๊ณ , ํ”ผ๋“œ๋ฐฑ์„ ์š”์ฒญํ•˜๊ธฐ์— ์ ์ ˆํ•œ ์‹œ๊ธฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹จ์ง€
37:40
When really you're just having a conversation,ย  it's not the appropriate time to do that.
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๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๊ณ  ์žˆ์„ ๋ฟ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด, ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•  ์ ์ ˆํ•œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
37:46
So I'm so glad that youย  raised all their those points.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ ์ ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋†’์—ฌ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ธฐ๋ป์š”.
37:49
And everyone watch that Ted talk as well.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ Ted์˜ ๊ฐ•์—ฐ์„ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
37:51
I will watch it myself.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ง์ ‘ ์ง€์ผœ๋ณผ๊ฒŒ.
37:52
I don't believe I have and you to talkย  specifically about when students forget theirย ย 
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์ž์‹ ์˜
38:00
words or their mind goes blank, it's becauseย  they're entering out of that comfort zone.
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๋ง์„ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋งˆ์Œ์ด ๋ฉํ•ด์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ ๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์•ˆ์ „์ง€๋Œ€์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
38:05
So it's just more of a natural thing.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์˜คํžˆ๋ ค ์ž์—ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ์ผ์ด๋‹ค.
38:07
But I wanted to know if you couldย  expand on that at all or give anyย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ๋งŽ์ด ๋ฌป๋Š” ์งˆ๋ฌธ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ข€ ๋” ํ™•์žฅํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
38:11
more specific advice because this is oneย  thing that my students ask a lot about.
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๋” ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ์กฐ์–ธ์„ ์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
38:17
I I know the words, I studied this, I know it.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ , ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ–ˆ๊ณ , ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
38:21
But then when I'm in the situation,ย  I open my mouth and it it just goes.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ์ฒ˜ํ•˜๋ฉด ์ž…์„ ์—ด๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ํ˜๋Ÿฌ๊ฐ€๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
38:26
Do you have any practical strategies to helpย  them remember their words when they need them?
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ํ•„์š”ํ•  ๋•Œ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๋Š” ์‹ค์šฉ์ ์ธ ์ „๋žต์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
38:33
Absolutely.
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38:33
So this happens to me as well.
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์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ.
๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ๋„ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
38:35
And to to go back to your previous question, whenย  you will ask me, does this happen to you as well?
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์ด์ „ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€์„œ ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ์งˆ๋ฌธํ•˜์‹ค ๋•Œ ๊ท€ํ•˜์—๊ฒŒ๋„ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
38:39
Did you get scared of speaking?
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๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋‘๋ ค์› ๋‚˜์š”?
38:41
Yes, every single time and learn a new language.
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๋„ค, ๋งค๋ฒˆ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ์„ธ์š”.
38:43
I am terrified when the moment comes ofย  speaking, even after all so many years,ย ย 
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์˜ค๋žœ ์„ธ์›”์ด ํ๋ฅธ ๋’ค์—๋„ ๋ง์„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์ด ์˜ค๋ฉด ๊ฒ์ด ๋‚ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด
38:48
because in my subconscious mind, unfortunately theย  the, the, you know, the the influence that schoolย ย 
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๋ถˆํ–‰ํ•˜๊ฒŒ๋„ ๋‚ด ์ž ์žฌ์˜์‹ ์†์—๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€
38:54
had on me when I was a little kid is stillย  there in the subconscious part of my mind.
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์–ด๋ ธ์„ ๋•Œ ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ๋ฐ›์•˜๋˜ ์˜ํ–ฅ์ด ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๋‚จ์•„ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚ด ๋งˆ์Œ์˜ ์ž ์žฌ์˜์‹์ ์ธ ๋ถ€๋ถ„.
38:58
So now to answer your question, we're notย  going to talk delve into neuroscience,ย ย 
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์ด์ œ ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋‹ตํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด,
39:02
although I'm really passionateย  about how the brain works.
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์ €๋Š” ๋‡Œ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ •๋ง ์—ด์ •์ ์ด์ง€๋งŒ ์‹ ๊ฒฝ๊ณผํ•™์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
39:04
And if you understand how the brain works, itย  gives you an incredible insight into why we haveย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‡Œ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ์ดํ•ดํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
39:10
these problems when speaking a foreign language orย  our even our own native language for that matter.
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์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด๋‚˜ ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋งํ•  ๋•Œ ์™œ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜๋Š”์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋†€๋ผ์šด ํ†ต์ฐฐ๋ ฅ์„ ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
39:15
But to make it simple, this is the reasonย  why all this works, all this happens.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๋ฉด ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜๋Š” ์ด์œ ์ด๋ฉฐ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ผ์ด ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜๋Š” ์ด์œ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
39:20
Sorry, in our mind we process language learningย  when we still do not speak a language well.
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์ฃ„์†กํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•„์ง ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ž˜ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•  ๋•Œ์—๋„ ์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต์„ ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
39:27
So we're not talking about our nativeย  language, we're talking about foreign language.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
39:30
We use what is called what this part of theย  brain which is called prefrontal cortex.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ „๋‘์—ฝ ํ”ผ์งˆ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถˆ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‡Œ์˜ ์ด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
39:34
This is our like, this is how weย  think consciously, how we plan things,ย ย 
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์˜์‹์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹, ์‚ฌ๋ฌผ์„ ๊ณ„ํšํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹,
39:39
when we try to retrieve words, when we tryย  to think about grammar, etcetera, etcetera.
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๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฒ€์ƒ‰ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•  ๋•Œ, ๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ๋“ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•  ๋•Œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
39:44
Then we have another part of theย  brain which is called the limbicย ย 
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๊ทธ ๋‹ค์Œ์—๋Š” ๊ฐ์ •๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ๋ณ€์—ฐ๊ณ„๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋Š” ๋‡Œ์˜ ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
39:47
system that has to do with, let's say emotions.
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.
39:51
This is an an oversimplification of howย  this works, but just to to show you aย ย 
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์ด๋Š” ์ž‘๋™ ๋ฐฉ์‹์„ ์ง€๋‚˜์น˜๊ฒŒ ๋‹จ์ˆœํ™”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
39:56
metaphor of how, like there you have twoย  competing, let's say parts of the brain.
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๋‡Œ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿํ•˜๋Š”์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์€์œ ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
40:02
One is trying to process to thinkย  about words, to arrange them together,ย ย 
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ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹จ์–ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ , ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋ฐฐ์—ดํ•˜๊ณ ,
40:06
to think about grammar, and the other part, whichย  is the emotional part, fights against this part.
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๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณผ์ •์„ ์‹œ๋„ํ•˜๊ณ , ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ๊ฐ์ •์ ์ธ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด ์ด ๋ถ€๋ถ„๊ณผ ๋งž์„œ ์‹ธ์›๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
40:11
So if you're tense.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ๊ธด์žฅํ•˜๋ฉด.
40:14
And subconsciously we walk into a conversation,ย  whether it's with a tutor or with people outside.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฌด์˜์‹์ ์œผ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฐ€์ •๊ต์‚ฌ๋“  ์™ธ๋ถ€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ๋“  ๋Œ€ํ™”์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
40:20
There's a level of tension that unfortunately,ย ย 
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๋ถˆํ–‰ํžˆ๋„
40:23
where the amygdala is involved in not only theย  amygdala that keeps this part of the brain,ย ย 
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ํŽธ๋„์ฒด๊ฐ€ ๋‡Œ์˜ ์ด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๋Š” ํŽธ๋„์ฒด์™€ ๊ด€๋ จ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์„ ๋ฟ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
40:29
let's say, keeps it from communicatingย  well with other parts of the brain.
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๋‡Œ์˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ถ€๋ถ„๊ณผ ์ž˜ ์†Œํ†ตํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ธด์žฅ๊ฐ๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
40:34
So imagine that this part of theย  brain wants to grab a word somewhere,ย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋‡Œ์˜ ์ด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด ์–ด๋”˜๊ฐ€์—์„œ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์žก๊ณ 
40:38
fetch a word with a mechanical arm, but theย  other part just keeps it from doing that.
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๊ธฐ๊ณ„ ํŒ”๋กœ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜ค๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ์ƒํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
40:42
If you're stressed, if you're anxious,ย  if you walk into any conversation withย ย 
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์ŠคํŠธ๋ ˆ์Šค๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›๋Š”๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๋ถˆ์•ˆํ•˜๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
40:47
the idea that you're going to beย  judged and everything you know,ย ย 
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ํŒ๋‹จ์„ ๋ฐ›์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ๊ณผ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์•„๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ, ๋Œ€ํ™”์—
40:50
all the negative things that you think concerningย  a conversation, this is bound to happen.
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๊ด€ํ•ด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๋ถ€์ •์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ๋Œ€ํ™”์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ„๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚  ์ˆ˜๋ฐ–์— ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. .
40:57
This has happened to me a number of times.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋ฒˆ ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
40:59
Recently.
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40:59
Just to give you a very concrete example,ย  I've been learning Serbian for two years.
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์ตœ๊ทผ์—.
๋งค์šฐ ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์ž๋ฉด, ์ €๋Š” 2๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์„ธ๋ฅด๋น„์•„์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
41:03
I had a conversation with my colleagueย  who's American, Serbian, American,ย ย 
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ธ, ์„ธ๋ฅด๋น„์•„์ธ, ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ธ์ธ ๋™๋ฃŒ์™€ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆด๊ณ ,
41:08
and I've been learning the language for two years.
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2๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
41:10
I understand it pretty well.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฝค ์ž˜ ์ดํ•ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
41:12
We recorded a conversation for YouTube.
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YouTube ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋…น์Œํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ '์ค€๋น„๋๋‚˜์š”?'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฌป๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ
41:15
I could not say the simplest thingsย  like he asked me, Are you ready?
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•œ ๋ง์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
41:19
I was like, I couldn't even sayย  yes, I am in Serbian and I realized.
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๋‚˜๋Š” '์˜ˆ'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ์„ธ๋ฅด๋น„์•„์–ด์— ์žˆ๊ณ  ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
41:26
How is that?
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41:26
Possible and because the knowledgeย  is there but it's blocked.
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๋ฐฉ๋ฒ• ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค?
๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•˜๋ฉฐ ์ง€์‹์ด ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ฐจ๋‹จ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
41:31
So it's something that happens all the time.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋Š” ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
41:33
Our mind goes blank because we are anxious andย  we are in this mode, in this very negative mode.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ถˆ์•ˆํ•˜๊ณ  ๋งค์šฐ ๋ถ€์ •์ ์ธ ๋ชจ๋“œ์— ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋งˆ์Œ์ด ๋ฉํ•ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
41:39
My suggestion is once again whatย  I said before is that to establishย ย 
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๋‚ด ์ œ์•ˆ์€ ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ด์ „์— ๋งํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์›์–ด๋ฏผ๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”
41:44
if you're anxious about having aย  conversation with a native speaker,ย ย 
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ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ถˆ์•ˆํ•˜๋‹ค๋ฉด,
41:47
find one person, a friendly person, notย  necessarily competent, a friendly person.
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์นœ์ ˆํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ, ๊ผญ ์œ ๋Šฅํ•˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ ์นœ์ ˆํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ ํ•œ ๋ช…์„ ์ฐพ์œผ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
41:53
You are really excited.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ •๋ง ํฅ๋ถ„๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
41:56
You know, you you think, oh,ย ย 
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์•„,
41:57
I'm going to talk to Jennifer or Lucaย  or Mark about whatever excites you.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ œ๋‹ˆํผ๋‚˜ ๋ฃจ์นด , ๋งˆํฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ํฅ๋ถ„์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์ฃ .
42:03
And when that happens, when you focus more on theย  communication than the performance, your level ofย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ๋•Œ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ณด๋‹ค ์†Œํ†ต์— ๋” ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๋‹ค ๋ณด๋ฉด
42:10
stress is going to go down and and then your mindย  will go blank because it's this is inevitable.
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์ŠคํŠธ๋ ˆ์Šค๋„ ์ค„์–ด๋“ค๊ณ  ๋งˆ์Œ๋„ ๋ฉํ•ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ด๋Š” ๋ถˆ๊ฐ€ํ”ผํ•œ ์ผ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฑฐํ•  ์ˆ˜๋Š”
42:17
It's a background noise that you're notย  going to eliminate, but it's going to,ย ย 
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์—†๋Š” ๋ฐฐ๊ฒฝ ์†Œ์Œ์ด์ง€๋งŒ,
42:20
it's going to happen less and lessย  when you're talking with that person.
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•  ๋•Œ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜๋Š” ์†Œ์Œ์€ ์ ์  ์ค„์–ด๋“ค ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
42:24
If that happens, there's anotherย  simple thing you can do is like,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•œ ์ผ์€
42:28
you can just say I I'm trying to say this word.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ด ๋ง์„ ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ
42:31
If the other person speaks your Spanish, forย  example, you can, you know, either say I don'tย ย 
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๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ์ƒ๋Œ€๋ฐฉ์ด ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ,
42:37
remember how to say this word and be very honestย  or smile or look it on on on you know, on the fly.
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์ด ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ๊ธฐ์–ต๋‚˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ๋งค์šฐ ์†”์งํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์›ƒ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ฆ‰์„์—์„œ ๊ทธ ๋ชจ์Šต์„ ์ง€์ผœ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
42:44
But just be honest, first with yourselfย  and then with the other person.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋จผ์ € ์ž์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ, ๊ทธ ๋‹ค์Œ์—๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ ์†”์งํ•ด์ง€์„ธ์š”.
42:48
Once you establish with one person, again aย  friendly communication like a collaboration,ย ย 
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ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ˜‘์—…์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์นœ๊ทผํ•œ ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋ฉด
42:55
then your stress levels will go down and you willย  be able to manage this conversation much better.
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์ŠคํŠธ๋ ˆ์Šค ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด ์ค„์–ด๋“ค๊ณ  ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์ž˜ ๊ด€๋ฆฌํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
43:03
And that is going to give you confidence.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์„ ์ค„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
43:05
With that confidence, you're going to walk intoย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌํ•œ ํ™•์‹ ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€
43:06
another conversation andย  then another conversation.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
43:09
Remember, every time you have another experienceย  in a foreign language, so every time that you walkย ย 
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๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜์„ธ์š”, ์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด๋กœ ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ํ•  ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค,
43:14
into a grocery store to ask something or youย  buy a train ticket, that's a new experience.
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์‹๋ฃŒํ’ˆ์ ์— ๊ฐ€์„œ ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ณด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ธฐ์ฐจํ‘œ๋ฅผ ์‚ด ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๋กœ
43:19
It's old because you lived itย  in your own native language,ย ย 
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์‚ด์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์˜ค๋ž˜๋˜์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ,
43:22
but it's new because you've neverย  done it in your foreign language.
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์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด๋กœ ํ•ด๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ƒˆ๋กญ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
43:25
So a little bit of a level like the theย  level of stress is going to be there.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ŠคํŠธ๋ ˆ์Šค ์ˆ˜์ค€๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
43:29
You're going to think, Oh my God,ย  I'm just going to mess this up.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ '๋ง™์†Œ์‚ฌ, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ด๊ฑธ ๋ง์น  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„'๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
43:32
It's going to be a disaster.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์žฌ์•™์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
43:33
Once you do it, you realize no big deal.
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์ผ๋‹จ ํ•ด๋ณด์‹œ๋ฉด ๋ณ„๊ฑฐ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฑธ ๊นจ๋‹ซ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์‹ค ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
43:35
And then your confidence isย  going to grow step by step.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์€ ์ฐจ์ธฐ์ฐจ์ธฐ ์ปค์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
43:40
Well, you shared a lot there.
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๊ธ€์Ž„, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์„œ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ณต์œ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
43:41
But I think for my students, justย  understanding that it's it's howย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด
43:46
their brain works, it's normal, it'sย  natural and thank you for sharing that.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ๋‘๋‡Œ๊ฐ€ ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์ด๊ณ , ์ •์ƒ์ด๊ณ , ์ž์—ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ์ผ์ž„์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ณต์œ ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
43:50
You still have that experience even today.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚ ์—๋„ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
43:53
I'm sure that made all my studentsย  feel more confident and it'sย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋” ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•˜๋ฉฐ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€
43:57
just building up those successes,ย  getting those successes in a in an Aย ย 
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44:01
comfortable environment that will allow themย  to build their confidence slowly over time.
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์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ง€๋‚จ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ์ฒœ์ฒœํžˆ ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์„ ์Œ“์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ํŽธ์•ˆํ•œ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์—์„œ ์„ฑ๊ณต์„ ์Œ“์•„๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
44:06
Great advice.
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ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์กฐ์–ธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
44:07
Thank you.
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๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
44:08
And I feel like we could talkย  for so long about these topics,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ฃผ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์˜ค๋žซ๋™์•ˆ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
44:12
especially diving into how our brain works.
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ํŠนํžˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋‡Œ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์•Œ์•„๋ณด์„ธ์š”. ์ •๋ง
44:14
That's so interesting.
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ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ๋„ค์š”.
44:15
And I know you have more videosย  on your YouTube channel, so whyย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ YouTube ์ฑ„๋„์— ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด
44:19
don't you just share with my studentsย  where they can find you on YouTube?
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YouTube์—์„œ ๊ท€ํ•˜๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค๊ณผ ๊ณต์œ ํ•ด ๋ณด์‹œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์–ด๋–จ๊นŒ์š”?
44:23
What's your YouTube channel?
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ YouTube ์ฑ„๋„์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
44:24
Sure thing.
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ํ™•์‹คํ•œ ๊ฒƒ.
44:25
My YouTube channel is just Lucaย  Lampariella which is just by name.
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์ œ ์œ ํŠœ๋ธŒ ์ฑ„๋„์€ ์ด๋ฆ„๋งŒ ๋ฃจ์นด ๋žŒ ํŒŒ๋ฆฌ์—˜๋ผ(Luca Lampariella)์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
44:30
So if you write Luca Lamparello or Lucaย  languages on YouTube you will find my channel.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ YouTube์— Luca Lamparello ๋˜๋Š” Luca ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ž‘์„ฑํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‚ด ์ฑ„๋„์„ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
44:35
It's all about learning how to learn.
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๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ „๋ถ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
44:37
I do have some videos where I speak multipleย  languages or other languages in just one video,ย ย 
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๋‹จ ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ๋™์˜์ƒ์—์„œ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์–ธ์–ด ๋˜๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ
44:43
but it mainly it's about how to learnย  how to use your brain to learn moreย ย 
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์ฃผ๋กœ ๋‘๋‡Œ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋” ํšจ์œจ์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ•™์Šตํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ 
44:47
efficiently and to show you that thatย  is possible and then everyone can do it.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•˜๋ฉฐ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋‚˜ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
44:52
I'll put the YouTube channel in theย  description as well so everyone can follow you.
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๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ํŒ”๋กœ์šฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ์„ค๋ช…์— YouTube ์ฑ„๋„๋„ ํ‘œ์‹œํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
44:57
Get those language learning tips and advice.
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์–ธ์–ด ํ•™์Šต ํŒ๊ณผ ์กฐ์–ธ์„ ์–ป์œผ์„ธ์š”.
44:59
Final question for you before we wrap up.
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๋งˆ๋ฌด๋ฆฌํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์— ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
45:02
If my students were to do only one thingย  this week to improve their English,ย ย 
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๋‚ด ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์ด๋ฒˆ ์ฃผ์— ์˜์–ด ์‹ค๋ ฅ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋งŒ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
45:09
what would you recommend that they do?
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ๊ถŒํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‚˜์š”? ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ
45:12
I would say to focus on the joy ofย  actually, whatever they're doing,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•˜๋“ ,
45:18
whether they're speaking, whetherย  we're writing, whether we're reading,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋“ , ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์“ฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋“ , ์ฝ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋“ ,
45:21
whether they're listening, whether they'reย  watching a YouTube video like this one.
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๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋“ , YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ๋ณด๋“ , ๊ทธ ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์›€์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ํ•˜๋‚˜.
45:24
To have joy to, to think aboutย  the joy of learning instead ofย ย 
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๊ธฐ์จ์„ ๋ˆ„๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด, ๋ฐฐ์›€์˜ ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์›€์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด,
45:30
I have to do this because I have to learn.
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๋ฐฐ์›€์„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
45:33
It's more like I want to do this.
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์˜คํžˆ๋ ค ์ด๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ๋“ค ์ •๋„๋‹ค. ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ
45:35
I think that once again, yes,ย  techniques and strategies,ย ย 
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๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ธฐ์ˆ ๊ณผ ์ „๋žต์€
45:38
they're important, but this mindsetย  shift that you need to have in orderย ย 
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์ค‘์š”ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ๋” ๋‚˜์•„๊ฐ€๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๊ฐ–์ถฐ์•ผ ํ•  ์‚ฌ๊ณ ๋ฐฉ์‹์˜ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋Š” ํ•™์Šต ์„ฑ๊ณต์— ์žˆ์–ด์„œ
45:44
to take things for further is the one ofย  the most powerful things and factors whenย ย 
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ์š”์†Œ์ด์ž ์š”์†Œ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
45:51
it comes to success in learning Englishย  or any other language for that matter.
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์˜์–ด ๋˜๋Š” ํ•ด๋‹น ๋ฌธ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์–ธ์–ด.
45:57
What an amazing way to end our conversation.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋๋‚ด๋Š” ์ •๋ง ๋†€๋ผ์šด ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
46:00
Focus on joy.
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๊ธฐ์จ์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
46:01
You heard it everyone.
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๋‹ค๋“ค ๋“ค์–ด๋ณด์…จ์ฃ ?
46:02
Focus on joy.
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๊ธฐ์จ์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
46:03
Thank you so much for being here, Luca,ย  and sharing these amazing tips and advice.
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Luca๋‹˜, ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ์™€์ฃผ์‹œ๊ณ  ๋†€๋ผ์šด ํŒ๊ณผ ์กฐ์–ธ์„ ๊ณต์œ ํ•ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
46:08
My pleasure.
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์ฒœ๋งŒ์—์š”.
46:09
Bye, bye.
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์•ˆ๋…•.
46:10
More amazing advice for you.
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๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ๋” ๋†€๋ผ์šด ์กฐ์–ธ.
46:12
Let's put thanks Luca, show our support.
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๋ฃจ์นด์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ ์ธ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ์ „ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ง€์ง€๋ฅผ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
46:16
Let's put thanks Luca in the comments.
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๋Œ“๊ธ€๋กœ Luca์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ ์ธ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ์ „ํ•ฉ์‹œ๋‹ค.
46:19
And now I'm excited because you're goingย  to hear from a fellow English learner.
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์ด์ œ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ๋™๋ฃŒ ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์–ด ๊ธฐ์ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์„ฑ์ธ์ด
46:25
You're going to hear from Mustafa,ย ย 
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46:27
who started learning English asย  an adult and he went from zero,ย ย 
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๋˜์–ด ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜์—ฌ
46:32
no knowledge of English to fluent communicatingย  his ideas confidently in a short period of time.
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์˜์–ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ง€์‹์ด ์ „ํ˜€ ์—†๋Š” ์ƒํƒœ์—์„œ ๋‹จ๊ธฐ๊ฐ„ ๋‚ด์— ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ „๋‹ฌํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฌด์Šคํƒ€ํŒŒ์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
46:40
And he he's going to share the exact studyย  routine that helped him achieve success.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ž์‹ ์ด ์„ฑ๊ณตํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋œ ์ •ํ™•ํ•œ ํ•™์Šต ๋ฃจํ‹ด์„ ๊ณต์œ ํ•  ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
46:46
Let's hear from Mustafa now.
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์ด์ œ ๋ฌด์Šคํƒ€ํŒŒ์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด๋ณด์ž.
46:48
Welcome Mustafa.
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๋ฌด์Šคํƒ€ํŒŒ๋ฅผ ํ™˜์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
46:49
It's so wonderful having you here.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์žˆ์–ด์„œ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„์š”.
46:51
Hey, Jennifer, how are you?
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์•ˆ๋…•, ์ œ๋‹ˆํผ, ์ž˜ ์ง€๋‚ด?
46:53
Thank you for inviting me.
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์ดˆ๋Œ€ ํ•ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ ํ•ด์š”.
46:54
I'm doing great, absolutely.
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๋‚œ ์ •๋ง ์ž˜ ์ง€๋‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
46:57
So why don't you tell everyone whenย  did you start studying English?
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์–ธ์ œ ์˜์–ด ๊ณต๋ถ€๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ชจ๋‘์—๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•ด ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ด๋–จ๊นŒ์š”?
47:02
OK, it was back in the day in 2020ย  when the COVID-19 hit The World.
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๋„ค, 2020๋…„์— ์ฝ”๋กœ๋‚˜19๊ฐ€ ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๊ฐ•ํƒ€ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
47:08
I Started, you know, learningย  English from scratch from zero.
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์ €๋Š” ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์ฒ˜์Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์ฒ˜์Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
47:14
And at the beginning I had a teacher.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ฒ˜์Œ์—๋Š” ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜์ด ๊ณ„์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
47:16
But after two months I startedย  studying independently.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‘ ๋‹ฌ ํ›„์—๋Š” ๋…๋ฆฝ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
47:20
So, yeah, it was in 2020.
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๋„ค, 2020๋…„์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
47:23
OK, 2020 from 0.
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์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 0๋ถ€ํ„ฐ 2020์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
47:26
And at that time, what motivatedย  you to Start learning English?
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ๋‹น์‹œ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋œ ๋™๊ธฐ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ด์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
47:31
Well, first of all, Englishย  is a dominant language.
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์Œ, ์šฐ์„  ์˜์–ด๊ฐ€ ์ง€๋ฐฐ์ ์ธ ์–ธ์–ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
47:35
Yeah.
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์‘.
47:36
Once we started speaking fluently,ย ย 
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์ผ๋‹จ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋ฉด,
47:38
we will have an opportunity to connect withย  the world and have a wide connection network.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์„ธ์ƒ๊ณผ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ , ํญ๋„“์€ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ ๋„คํŠธ์›Œํฌ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌธํ™”์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๋ฐฐ๊ฒฝ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค
47:43
That's what really motivated me, talking toย  people from culturally diverse backgrounds.
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๊ณผ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋ฉด์„œ ์ •๋ง ๋™๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ถ€์—ฌ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
47:49
So yeah.
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๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ .
47:50
And in the short period of time 2020,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  2020๋…„์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์งง์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ,
47:54
when you started from zero today, whatย  would you say your English level is?
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์˜ค๋Š˜์„ 0์—์„œ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์ค€์€ ์–ด๋Š ์ •๋„๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
47:59
Or how would you describe your fluency in English?
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์˜์–ด ์‹ค๋ ฅ์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ‘œํ˜„ํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
48:03
In terms of the eyeless exam, which isย  quite popular in many, many countries,ย ย 
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๋งŽ์€ ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ ๊ฝค ์ธ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฌด์•ˆ๊ฒ€ ๊ฒ€์‚ฌ์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ, ์ž‘๋…„
48:09
I got a bad aid at the beginning ofย  last year and speaking it was like 8.
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์ดˆ์— ๋‚˜์œ ๋„์›€์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜๋Š”๋ฐ, ๋งํ•˜์ž๋ฉด 8 ์ •๋„์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
48:15
But I would say I have madeย  a lot of progress since then.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ ์ดํ›„๋กœ ๋งŽ์€ ์ง„์ „์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
48:18
So I would say it's it's pretty high.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ฝค ๋†’๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ˆ™๋ จ๋„ ์ˆ˜์ค€์—
48:20
You could even say like I've reachedย  the proficiency level but it's still,ย ย 
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๋„๋‹ฌํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ
48:25
hey there is there is stillย  a room for improvement.
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๊ฐœ์„ ์˜ ์—ฌ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
48:29
It's it's a lifelong learning.
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ํ‰์ƒํ•™์Šต์ด๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
48:30
I cannot say I'm professional, it will neverย  be and it's all about learning continuously.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ „๋ฌธ์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ ˆ๋Œ€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ์ˆ˜ ์—†์œผ๋ฉฐ ์ง€์†์ ์ธ ํ•™์Šต์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
48:36
That's what I think.
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด๋‹ค.
48:39
That's so true.
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48:39
And I say that to all my students andย  I let them know that even I'm stillย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งž๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ๋‚˜์กฐ์ฐจ๋„ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์˜์‚ฌ
48:44
improving my communication skillsย  and it is truly a lifelong process.
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์†Œํ†ต ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ์ด๋Š” ํ‰์ƒ ๊ณผ์ •์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๋ ค์ค๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
48:51
So why don't you tell my students how you achievedย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์งง์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ์•ˆ์— ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ทธํ† ๋ก ๋†’์€ ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•จ์„ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์ œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์•Œ๋ ค์ฃผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ
48:55
such a high level of fluencyย  in a short period of time?
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?
48:59
Did you have a secret process youย  followed or what was your approach?
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋”ฐ๋ž๋˜ ๋น„๋ฐ€ ํ”„๋กœ์„ธ์Šค๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”? ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์–ด๋–ค ์ ‘๊ทผ ๋ฐฉ์‹์„ ์ทจํ–ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
49:04
What was your methodology to get these results?
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์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ์–ป๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•๋ก ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
49:07
Well, first of all, before embarkingย  on this beautiful journey, I startedย ย 
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์šฐ์„ , ์ด ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์šด ์—ฌ์ •์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์— ์ €๋Š” ๋จผ์ € ์†Œ์…œ ๋ฏธ๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด
49:12
eliminating all unnecessary distractionsย  I had, first of all, social media.
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๋ถˆํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๋ฐฉํ•ด ์š”์†Œ๋ฅผ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ œ๊ฑฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
49:18
I've only started using socialย  media for educational purposes.
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์ €๋Š” ๊ต์œก ๋ชฉ์ ์œผ๋กœ๋งŒ ์†Œ์…œ ๋ฏธ๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
49:22
You know, like TikTok.
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TikTok์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ง์ด์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ
49:25
Not going to happen.
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์ผ์€ ์—†์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋‹ค.
49:27
YouTube.
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์œ ํŠœ๋ธŒ.
49:28
OK, let's use that for educational purposes,ย ย 
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์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ต์œก ๋ชฉ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ฉ์‹œ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด
49:31
like watching Youtubers, like you'reย  watching professional teachers and so forth.
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Youtubers๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ, ์ „๋ฌธ ๊ต์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
49:36
That's what I did.
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ•œ ์ผ์ด์•ผ.
49:37
And also I started eliminatingย  like my toxic environment.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋˜ํ•œ ๋‚ด ์œ ๋…ํ•œ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์ œ๊ฑฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
49:41
At that time.
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๊ทธ๋•Œ์—.
49:42
I used to have a toxic environment.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์œ ๋…ํ•œ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
49:44
I start, I told myself, ifย  I wanted to improve myself,ย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋จผ์ € ๋‚˜ ์ž์‹ ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๋ฉด
49:49
why not eliminate and eradicateย  all unnecessary distractions?
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๋ถˆํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๋ฐฉํ•ด ์š”์†Œ๋ฅผ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ œ๊ฑฐํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ทผ์ ˆํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒ ๋Š๋ƒ๊ณ  ์Šค์Šค๋กœ์—๊ฒŒ ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
49:53
So that's what I did.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ•œ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
49:55
After that, I also created a study area whichย  was, like putting over, like like vibrant stickyย ย 
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๊ทธ ํ›„, ๋งˆ์น˜ ๋ฒฝ์— ์ƒ๋™๊ฐ ๋„˜์น˜๋Š” ์Šคํ‹ฐ์ปค ๋ฉ”๋ชจ๋ฅผ ๋ถ™์ด๊ณ 
50:04
notes on my walls and jotting down beautifulย  expressions idiomatically in couch phrasal verbs.
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์†ŒํŒŒ ๊ตฌ๋™์‚ฌ์— ๊ด€์šฉ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์šด ํ‘œํ˜„์„ ์ ์–ด ๋‘๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ํ•™์Šต ๊ณต๊ฐ„๋„ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
50:10
I've sent you some photos.
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์‚ฌ์ง„ ๋ช‡ ์žฅ์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด ๋“œ๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
50:12
You could show them like to students.
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ชจ์Šต์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ค„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
50:15
You believe it or not.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฏฟ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋ง๊ฑฐ๋‚˜.
50:16
It helped me to study for 6 to 12 hours a day.
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ํ•˜๋ฃจ์— 6~12์‹œ๊ฐ„์”ฉ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
50:19
I was like I became obsessed with the process.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ •์— ์ง‘์ฐฉํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•˜๋‹ค.
50:22
I had a study table, I had a study bedroom and Iย  would like study continuously every single day.
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๊ณต๋ถ€ ํ…Œ์ด๋ธ”๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ , ๊ณต๋ถ€๋ฐฉ๋„ โ€‹โ€‹์žˆ๊ณ , ๋งค์ผ ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด์š”.
50:30
I spiced it up.
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์–‘๋…์„ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
50:32
I did not.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค.
50:33
I I was not in a hurry to improve my languageย  skills, but instead I enjoyed the process.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด ์‹ค๋ ฅ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์„œ๋‘๋ฅด์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์˜คํžˆ๋ ค ๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ •์„ ์ฆ๊ฒผ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
50:39
I would visualize and picture my future.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‚ด ๋ฏธ๋ž˜๋ฅผ ์‹œ๊ฐํ™”ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ƒ์ƒํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
50:43
I would think about how many opportunitiesย  I would have if I reach this level.
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์ด ์ˆ˜์ค€์— ๋„๋‹ฌํ•˜๋ฉด ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„์ง€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
50:48
OK, so let's study.
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์•Œ์•˜์–ด, ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜์ž.
50:51
So this is what really helped me toย  study not only for many many hours,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์˜ค๋žœ ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•  ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
50:55
but also to increase the qualityย  of my language acquisition.
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์–ธ์–ด ์Šต๋“์˜ ์งˆ์„ ๋†’์ด๋Š” ๋ฐ ํฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
50:59
I would even say.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์‹ฌ์ง€์–ด ๋งํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
51:02
It sounds like you had a very interestingย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด
51:04
approach and obviously it kept youย  motivated for all those years now.
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์ ‘๊ทผ ๋ฐฉ์‹์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ  ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ง€๋‚œ ๋ช‡ ๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋™๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ถ€์—ฌํ•ด ์ค€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์œ ๋…ํ•œ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์„
51:08
You said you had to addressย  your toxic environment.
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ํ•ด๊ฒฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
51:12
Can you explain what do you mean by that?
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์Šจ ๋œป์ธ์ง€ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
51:14
What did you consider toxic in your environment?
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๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์—์„œ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์œ ๋…ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
51:18
Yeah, I can elaborate on that.
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๋„ค, ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
51:19
Like imagine friends like, I I itย  would take me to say no to vacations.
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์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค์ด ๋‹ค์Œ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋ชจ์Šต์„ ์ƒ์ƒํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š”. ํœด๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๊ฑฐ๋ถ€ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
51:27
It would take me say no to like Hangouts.
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ํ–‰์•„์›ƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ ค๋ฉด ๊ฑฐ์ ˆํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
51:30
It would It would take me to say no, my friends.
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์นœ๊ตฌ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„, ๊ฑฐ์ ˆํ•˜๋ ค๋ฉด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฑฐ์ ˆํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
51:34
So I'm, I did have a toxic environment.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์œ ๋…ํ•œ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
51:37
Like, OK, let's go to parties.
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์ข‹์•„, ํŒŒํ‹ฐ์— ๊ฐ€์ž.
51:40
OK, let's go to this And that's And I would haveย  to say no to all of my friends because I reallyย ย 
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์ข‹์•„์š”, ์ด๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฑฐ์ ˆํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ €๋Š” ์ •๋ง๋กœ
51:46
wanted to have a transformative,ย  transformative change in my life.
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์ œ ์ธ์ƒ์— ํš๊ธฐ์ ์ธ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜ค๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
51:52
And then it took me to change my environment.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์„ ๋ฐ”๊พธ๊ฒŒ ๋์–ด์š”.
51:55
And then you know what happens?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋Š”์ง€ ์•„์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
51:57
I started surrounding me with educatedย  and very high knowledgeable people,ย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š”
52:03
like the people who would continuouslyย  improve their characters, the people whoย ย 
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์ง€์†์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์ธ๊ฒฉ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค,
52:08
would continuously read books, the people whoย  would continuously take their health seriously.
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์ง€์†์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ฑ…์„ ์ฝ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค, ์ง€์†์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฑด๊ฐ•์„ ์‹ฌ๊ฐํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์ด ๊ต์œก์„ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ์ง€์‹์ด ๋งค์šฐ ๋†’์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๋กœ ๋‚˜๋ฅผ ๋‘˜๋Ÿฌ์‹ธ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
52:14
And then I I started feelingย  better involved myself.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜ ์ž์‹ ๋„ ๋” ์ž˜ ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋Š๋‚Œ์„ ๋ฐ›๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
52:17
All the elevated complete emotions,ย  positive emotions started coming to my life.
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๋ชจ๋“  ๊ณ ์–‘๋œ ์™„์ „ํ•œ ๊ฐ์ •, ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ๊ฐ์ •์ด ๋‚ด ์‚ถ์— ์˜ค๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
52:23
I started feeling better,ย  but before that I was not.
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๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์ข‹์•„์ง€๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ ์ „์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
52:28
So it turns out I was beingย  in a toxic environment.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์œ ๋…ํ•œ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด ๋ฐํ˜€์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
52:32
I mean, going to parties, doing this and that.
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๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ํŒŒํ‹ฐ์— ๊ฐ€์„œ ์ด๋Ÿฐ์ €๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์„ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
52:35
But right now you have no ideas.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ง€๊ธˆ ๋‹น์žฅ์€ ์•„๋ฌด ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
52:38
You have no idea about my environment.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‚ด ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ „ํ˜€ ๋ชจ๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
52:40
It's so clean.
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊นจ๋—ํ•ด์š”.
52:41
So for four years I'd be surroundedย  by very highly knowledgeable people.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ 4๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์ €๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ์ง€์‹์ด ํ’๋ถ€ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋‘˜๋Ÿฌ์‹ธ์—ฌ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
52:46
And I'm proud of myself, proud ofย  my decision I made back in 2020.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” 2020๋…„์— ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋‚ด๋ฆฐ ๊ฒฐ์ •์ด ์ž๋ž‘์Šค๋Ÿฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
52:52
Yeah.
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๋„ค. ์ธ์ƒ์—์„œ
52:54
It's not an easy decision to make for sureย  when you want to make those positive changesย ย 
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๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ  ์‹ถ๊ณ 
52:59
in your life and you realize that youย  have to look at all areas of your life.
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์‚ถ์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ์˜์—ญ์„ ์‚ดํŽด๋ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์•˜์„ ๋•Œ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์‰ฌ์šด ๊ฒฐ์ •์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
53:04
So yes, you want to improve your English,ย  but you had to look at your social life,ย ย 
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๋„ค, ์˜์–ด ์‹ค๋ ฅ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๊ณ  ์‹ถ์œผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ ์‚ฌํšŒ ์ƒํ™œ,
53:09
your other habits in in your dailyย  life and how that impacted your study.
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์ผ์ƒ ์ƒํ™œ์˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์Šต๊ด€, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ณต๋ถ€์— ์–ด๋–ค ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์ณค๋Š”์ง€ ์‚ดํŽด๋ด์•ผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
53:15
So it's it's great that you were able to do that.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
53:18
And you also mentioned that you visualizedย  your future, you visualize the result.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜๋ฅผ ์‹œ๊ฐํ™”ํ–ˆ๊ณ  ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ์‹œ๊ฐํ™”ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ ๋„ ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์…จ์ฃ .
53:24
So when you saw yourselfย  in the future as a fluent,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์— ์ž์‹ ์ด ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ณ 
53:29
confident English speaker, do youย  mind sharing what were you doing?
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์ž์‹ ๊ฐ ์žˆ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ๊ตฌ์‚ฌ์ž๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๊ณต์œ ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์–ด์š”?
53:34
What were you doing with your Englishย  language skills in this visualization?
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์ด ์‹œ๊ฐํ™”์—์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์˜์–ด ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
53:39
Process.
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53:39
Yes, we all go through upsย  and downs, but mostly downs.
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ํ”„๋กœ์„ธ์Šค.
์˜ˆ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘๋Š” ๊ธฐ๋ณต์„ ๊ฒช์ง€ ๋งŒ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ํ•˜๋ฝ์„ธ๋ฅผ ๊ฒช์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
53:42
Life is not an easy path, especially studying forย ย 
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์ธ์ƒ์€ ์‰ฌ์šด ๊ธธ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํŠนํžˆ ์‰ฌ์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์‰ฌ์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์‰ฌ์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ 
53:45
6 to 12 hour study continuously withoutย  stopping, like without taking days off.
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6~12์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
53:50
At that time I would picture myself in the futureย  because I want to be somebody who could like.
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๊ทธ๋•Œ๋Š” ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ข‹์•„ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์˜ ๋‚ด ๋ชจ์Šต์„ ์ƒ์ƒํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋œ๋‹ค.
53:55
I wouldn't say it's motivation, but Iย  would love to say it like encouragement.
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๋™๊ธฐ ๋ถ€์—ฌ๋ผ๊ณ ๋Š” ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฒฉ๋ ค์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
54:00
I would love to encourage thousandsย  of thousands of young people likeย ย 
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์ €๋Š” ์ €์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ˆ˜์ฒœ ๋ช…์˜ ์ Š์€์ด๋“ค์„ ๊ฒฉ๋ คํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
54:04
me because at that time I was isolated and Iย  did not have somebody to like, encourage me.
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๊ทธ ๋‹น์‹œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ณ ๋ฆฝ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ  ์ €๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฒฉ๋ คํ•ด ์ค„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์—†์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
54:11
You know what it was all about Internalย  encouragement, internal motivation.
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๋‚ด๋ถ€ ๊ฒฉ๋ ค, ๋‚ด๋ถ€ ๋™๊ธฐ ๋ถ€์—ฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ์•„์‹ค ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
54:18
So I want to be somebody that would shareย  my knowledge with the world and who will beย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์ œ ์ง€์‹์„ ์„ธ์ƒ๊ณผ ๊ณต์œ ํ•˜๊ณ 
54:26
able to encourage thousands of thousands of,ย  if not millions of millions of young people.
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์ˆ˜๋ฐฑ๋งŒ, ์•„๋‹ˆ ์ˆ˜๋ฐฑ๋งŒ ๋ช…์˜ ์ Š์€์ด๋“ค์„ ๊ฒฉ๋ คํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
54:32
Because nowadays many, many of youngย  people are you losing themselves inย ย 
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์š”์ฆ˜ ๋งŽ์€ ์ Š์€์ด๋“ค์ด
54:36
mindless activities like spendingย  hours and hours on social media.
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์†Œ์…œ ๋ฏธ๋””์–ด์—์„œ ๋ช‡ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋ฌด์˜๋ฏธํ•œ ํ™œ๋™์— ๋น ์ ธ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
54:40
So I would visualize my future and Iย  would feel a lot of positive emotionย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‚ด ๋ฏธ๋ž˜๋ฅผ ์‹œ๊ฐํ™”ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ๊ฐ์ •์„ ๋งŽ์ด ๋Š๋ผ๋ฉฐ
54:45
and I would study for hours andย  hours talking about speaking.
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๋ช‡ ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋ฉฐ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
54:48
I would sit in front of the mirrorย  and talk to myself, like for 24/7,ย ย 
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๊ฑฐ์šธ ์•ž์— ์•‰์•„์„œ 24์‹œ๊ฐ„ 365์ผ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋‚˜ ์ž์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๊ณค ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ,
54:54
which is an exaggeration, but that's what I did.
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๊ณผ์žฅ์ด๊ธด ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
54:57
Drinking a cup of coffee andย  talking to myself is somethingย ย 
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์ปคํ”ผ ํ•œ์ž” ๋งˆ์‹œ๋ฉด์„œ ํ˜ผ์žฃ๋ง์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ๋ง์˜ ์งˆ์„
55:01
that really helped me to increaseย  the quality of my speaking, yeah.
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๋†’์ด๋Š” ๋ฐ ์ •๋ง ๋„์›€์ด ๋์–ด์š” .
55:08
That's amazing that you did that.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋†€๋ž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
55:11
And I I say that to my studentsย  all the time when they say, oh,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ' ์•„,
55:15
Jennifer, I don't have anyone to speak with.
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์ œ๋‹ˆํผ, ์–˜๊ธฐํ•  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์—†์–ด์š”'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
55:18
I always say you, you don't need anotherย  person, you can open your mouth and just speak.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์ž…์„ ์—ด๊ณ  ๋ง๋งŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
55:26
So would you say that was a large partย  of improving your speaking skills?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๋ฐ ํฐ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ์ฐจ์ง€ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
55:31
And what else did you do toย  improve your speaking skills?
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋˜ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ–ˆ๋‚˜์š” ?
55:35
Because this is an area that my studentsย  struggle with the most, their speaking skills.
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์–ด๋ ค์›Œํ•˜๋Š” ์˜์—ญ์ธ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
55:41
Yeah, for sure.
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์‘, ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด์ง€.
55:42
Well, I want to say something.
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๊ฒŒ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
55:45
People judge our language skillsย  based on our our speaking skills.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์„ ํ† ๋Œ€๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์–ธ์–ด ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์„ ํŒ๋‹จํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
55:51
Nobody's going to come toย  you and check your grammar.
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์•„๋ฌด๋„ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์™€์„œ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์„ ํ™•์ธํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
55:53
Nobody's going to come to you.
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์•„๋ฌด๋„ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์˜ค์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
55:54
Listening, reading, writing.
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๋“ฃ๊ธฐ, ์ฝ๊ธฐ, ์“ฐ๊ธฐ.
55:56
They are extremely important,ย ย 
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๊ต‰์žฅํžˆ ์ค‘์š”
55:58
but the most important part is speakingย  the pronunciation, Talking beautifully,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ๋ฐœ์Œ, ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ต๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ, ์˜์‚ฌ
56:04
having communication skills, being able toย  talk with people in a respectful manner.
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์†Œํ†ต ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ, ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์ •์ค‘ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
56:10
That's the case and it really motivated me.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด์—ˆ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ๋™๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ถ€์—ฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
56:12
Yes, agree on.
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์˜ˆ, ๋™์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
56:14
I used to talk myself.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‚˜ ์ž์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๊ณค ํ–ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ž์„œ
56:15
I did not have a partner because as I hadย  mentioned, I isolated myself from social media,ย ย 
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์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด ์ €๋Š” ์†Œ์…œ ๋ฏธ๋””์–ด๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์ž์‹ ์„ ๊ณ ๋ฆฝ์‹œ์ผฐ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๊ฐ€ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
56:21
how I was supposed to have a partner withoutย  being able to active user of like social media.
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์†Œ์…œ ๋ฏธ๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ์ ๊ทน์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š” ์ƒํƒœ์—์„œ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
56:29
So I would sit in my bedroom and I used to talk toย  myself like a lot because I enjoyed the process.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์นจ์‹ค์— ์•‰์•„ ๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ •์ด ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์› ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ํ˜ผ์žฃ๋ง์„ ๋งŽ์ด ํ•˜๊ณค ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
56:35
I created a study area and I I really liked it.
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์Šคํ„ฐ๋”” ๊ณต๊ฐ„์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด ๋ดค๋Š”๋ฐ ์ •๋ง ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“ค์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
56:40
Language should not be complicated.
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์–ธ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋ณต์žกํ•˜๋ฉด ์•ˆ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
56:43
It should be interesting.
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ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šธ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
56:44
It should be something thatย  people enjoy learning, yes.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ฆ๊ฒ๊ฒŒ ํ•™์Šตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
56:51
And Mustafa, you've achievedย  such a high level of fluency,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฌด์Šคํƒ€ํŒŒ๋‹˜, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ๋†’์€ ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ ์œ ์ฐฝ์„ฑ์„ ๋‹ฌ์„ฑํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
56:56
but I do want to ask you about this 6 to 12 hoursย  a day, because that's a very long time, and I'mย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ํ•˜๋ฃจ์— 6~12์‹œ๊ฐ„์”ฉ ์ด ๋ฌธ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ฌป๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š”
57:04
going to assume that my students watching thisย  don't have 6 to 12 hours a day to study English.
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์ด ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๋Š” ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ํ•˜๋ฃจ์— 6~12์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
57:11
So how would you recommend that students whoย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด
57:15
only have one hour or less a day canย  get real results with their English?
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ํ•˜๋ฃจ์— 1์‹œ๊ฐ„ ์ดํ•˜์˜ ์‹œ๊ฐ„๋ฐ–์— ์—†๋Š” ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์˜์–ด๋กœ ์‹ค์ œ์ ์ธ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ถŒ์žฅํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
57:23
Well, we all think that we don't have time,ย  but we have on the way when doing some irony.
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์—†๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐ ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์•„์ด๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆํ•˜๊ฒŒ๋„ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๊ฐ€๋„ค์š”.
57:29
When washing clothes, when washing the dishes,ย ย 
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๋นจ๋ž˜๋ฅผ ํ•  ๋•Œ, ์„ค๊ฑฐ์ง€๋ฅผ ํ•  ๋•Œ, ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ
57:33
when when we are eatingย  something, we all have time.
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๋จน์„ ๋•Œ , ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
57:37
We could passively listen to something.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ˆ˜๋™์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋“ค์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
57:40
That's what I used to do while doing irony.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•„์ด๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ๋„ ๊ทธ๋žฌ๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
57:43
While you know, committing to somewhere.
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ์–ด๋”˜๊ฐ€์— ํ—Œ์‹ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
57:47
I would listen to podcasts.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๊ณค ํ–ˆ๋‹ค.
57:49
Well, not specifically podcasts,ย  but I would watch filaments.
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์Œ, ํŠน๋ณ„ํžˆ ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๋Š” ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ํ•„๋ผ๋ฉ˜ํŠธ๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
57:52
I would watch movies on the way.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ธธ์— ์˜ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋ณผ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋‹ค.
57:55
So by doing this, I would at least spend 2 hoursย  passively listening to something in English.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด ์ ์–ด๋„ 2์‹œ๊ฐ„์€ ์ˆ˜๋™์ ์œผ๋กœ ์˜์–ด๋กœ ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๋ฐ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํ• ์• ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
58:02
So we have time.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
58:03
So if somebody has like one hour, I thinkย  that person has to do some analysis.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ํ•œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ์ •๋„ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋ถ„์„์„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๊ฐ€๋Š”
58:08
Do I have some time on the way?
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๊ธธ์— ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ข€ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
58:10
Do I have some time while eating?
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์‹์‚ฌํ•˜๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ข€ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”? ์™œ๋ƒ๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์€
58:13
Because to some extent you haveย  to be like you have to be a bitย ย 
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58:17
selfish when educating yourselfย  instead of like you know what?
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์ž์‹ ์„ ๊ต์œกํ•  ๋•Œ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ์ด๊ธฐ์ ์ด ๋˜์–ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
58:22
Instead of eating your instead of havingย  lunch with your friends and gossiping,ย ย 
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์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ ์‹ฌ์„ ๋จน์œผ๋ฉฐ ์žก๋‹ด์„ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋Š” ๋Œ€์‹ ,
58:28
be a little bit selfish.
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์กฐ๊ธˆ์€ ์ด๊ธฐ์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ–‰๋™ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
58:30
Listen to something in English and haveย  your dinner or lunch like like studying.
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์˜์–ด๋กœ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ €๋…์ด๋‚˜ ์ ์‹ฌ์„ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋จน์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
58:36
Because look, once we become educated,ย ย 
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ผ๋‹จ ๊ต์œก์„ ๋ฐ›์œผ๋ฉด
58:39
once we become highly knowledgeable andย  then we will start educating others.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ง€์‹์ด ํ’๋ถ€ํ•ด์ง€๋ฉด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๊ต์œกํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
58:44
So it's OK to be selfish to some extent, yeah.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์–ด๋Š ์ •๋„ ์ด๊ธฐ์ ์ด ๋˜์–ด๋„ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
58:50
That's a very good point.
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์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์€ ์ง€์ ์ด๊ตฐ์š”.
58:51
And for myself personally, it takes me about halfย  an hour to do my hair and makeup in the morning,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์•„์นจ์— ๋จธ๋ฆฌํ•˜๊ณ  ํ™”์žฅํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ 30๋ถ„ ์ •๋„ ๊ฑธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ์ ์‹ฌ
58:58
and it takes me about half an hour to prepareย  my lunch, eat and clean up after my lunch.
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์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ ์‹ฌ ๋จน๊ณ  ์ฒญ์†Œํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ 30๋ถ„ ์ •๋„ ๊ฑธ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
59:05
And I always make sure I do something educational,ย  listening to a podcast or training on a specificย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ทธ ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ํŠน์ • ์ฃผ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ต์œก์„ ๋ฐ›๋Š” ๋“ฑ ๊ต์œก์ ์ธ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜์—ฌ
59:13
topic during that time, so I'm able to learnย  and develop for one hour every single day.
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๋งค์ผ ํ•œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ๋ฐœ์ „ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ
59:20
Say, that would have just been wasted time becauseย  I'm just doing my hair and makeup or eating.
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๋จธ๋ฆฌํ•˜๊ณ  ํ™”์žฅํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ฐฅ ๋จน๋Š” ์ค‘์ด๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์‹œ๊ฐ„๋‚ญ๋น„์˜€์„ ๊ฑฐ์—์š”.
59:26
So it's a really smart strategy to findย  wasted time and turn it into productive time.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋‚ญ๋น„๋˜๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์ฐพ์•„ ์ƒ์‚ฐ์ ์ธ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐ”๊พธ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ •๋ง ํ˜„๋ช…ํ•œ ์ „๋žต์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
59:34
And why don't you share a littleย  bit about your your sleep schedule?
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ˆ˜๋ฉด ์ผ์ •์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๊ณต์œ ํ•ด ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์–ด๋–จ๊นŒ์š”?
59:38
Did you have to wake upย  earlier or go to bed later?
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์ผ์ฐ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜์•ผ ํ–ˆ๋‚˜์š”, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋‚˜์ค‘์— ์ž ์ž๋ฆฌ์— ๋“ค์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
59:42
Or how did you incorporate your your sleepย  schedule with your learning schedule?
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์ˆ˜๋ฉด ์ผ์ •์„ ํ•™์Šต ์ผ์ •์— ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ†ตํ•ฉํ–ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
59:47
Oh, I had a very healthy, sleepy schedule.
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์•„, ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฑด๊ฐ•ํ•˜๊ณ  ์กธ๋ฆฐ ์ผ์ •์„ ๊ฐ€์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
59:50
I would go to bed at 8:30 PM around that timeย  and wake up at 4:00 or 4:00 AM or 4:30 AM.
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๊ทธ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ฏค์—๋Š” ์˜คํ›„ 8์‹œ 30๋ถ„์— ์ž ์ž๋ฆฌ์— ๋“ค๊ณ  ์˜ค์ „ 4์‹œ, 4์‹œ, 4์‹œ 30๋ถ„์— ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
60:00
So I had a very healthy sleeping schedule.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฑด๊ฐ•ํ•œ ์ˆ˜๋ฉด ์ผ์ •์„ ๊ฐ€์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
60:03
And then after waking up, I wouldย  immediately take a cold showerย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ž ์—์„œ ๊นจ์–ด๋‚œ ๋’ค ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์ฐฌ๋ฌผ ์ƒค์›Œ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
60:06
or go for running because that reallyย  helped me to feel fresh before studying.
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์กฐ๊น…์„ ํ•˜๋Ÿฌ ๋‚˜๊ฐ”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „ ์ƒ์พŒํ•œ ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์„ ๋Š๋ผ๋Š” ๋ฐ ์ •๋ง ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
60:12
And I would absolutely drink a cup of coffee.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ฐ˜๋“œ์‹œ ์ปคํ”ผ ํ•œ ์ž”์„ ๋งˆ์…จ๋‹ค.
60:16
That's what I would do because it was quiet.
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์กฐ์šฉํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ–ˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
60:18
I would study in silence.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์กฐ์šฉํžˆ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋‹ค.
60:20
Everybody was sleeping, butย  I was developing myself.
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๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ์ž๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‚˜ ์ž์‹ ์„ ๋ฐœ์ „์‹œํ‚ค๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
60:23
This was also one element.
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์ด๊ฒƒ๋„ ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ์š”์†Œ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
60:26
Which helped me, you know, getย  motivated and study continuously,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋™๊ธฐ๋ถ€์—ฌ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ๊พธ์ค€ํžˆ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์ฃผ๊ณ ,
60:30
waking up earlier than everybody else andย  drinking coffee and starting my studies.
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๋‚จ๋“ค๋ณด๋‹ค ์ผ์ฐ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜์„œ ์ปคํ”ผ๋ฅผ ๋งˆ์‹œ๊ณ  ๊ณต๋ถ€๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋„์™€์คฌ์–ด์š”.
60:36
Yep.
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๋„ค.
60:38
Well, it sounds like you found many different waysย ย 
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ผ์ƒ์— ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์„ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ์ฐพ์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๊ตฐ์š”.
60:41
to add learning English to yourย  daily routine, so that's great.
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์ฐธ ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
60:47
Now, one thing I hear from my students a lot isย  that they've been learning for years and years,ย ย 
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์ด์ œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋งŽ์ด ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ˆ˜๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ํ•™์Šตํ•ด ์™”์œผ๋ฉฐ ์–ดํœ˜์™€ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์„
60:55
and they feel like they've gained a lotย  of vocabulary, gained a lot of grammar.
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๋งŽ์ด ์Šต๋“ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋Š๋‚€๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
61:01
But when they go to use it in a conversation,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ง€๊ธˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋Œ€ํ™”์— ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๋ฉด
61:04
like we're having a conversationย  right now, their mind goes blank.
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๋งˆ์Œ์ด ๋ฉํ•ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
61:08
They forget all their words, they're shy, they'reย  nervous and they're not able to communicate.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ง์„ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ์ˆ˜์ค์–ดํ•˜๊ณ , ๊ธด์žฅํ•˜๊ณ , ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
61:13
Whereas right now you areย  communicating very successfully.
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์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์„ฑ๊ณต์ ์œผ๋กœ ์†Œํ†ตํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
61:16
So did you struggle with that?
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ณ ์ƒํ•˜์…จ๋‚˜์š”?
61:18
How did you overcome that?
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๊ทธ๊ฑธ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ทน๋ณตํ•˜์…จ๋‚˜์š”?
61:20
And how would you recommend that my students whoย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
61:23
are experiencing that issueย  can overcome that as well?
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๊ทธ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ๊ฒช๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค๋„ ๊ทธ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ๊ทน๋ณตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ถŒํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์–ด์š”?
61:28
Well, there there are two ways.
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์Œ, ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
61:30
Like there's a passive vocabularyย  and there's an active vocabulary.
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์ˆ˜๋™์ ์ธ ์–ดํœ˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋Šฅ๋™์ ์ธ ์–ดํœ˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
61:34
Well, in terms of active vocabulary, I learnedย  vocab, as I had mentioned, by jotting down aย ย 
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๋ญ, ๋Šฅ๋™์–ดํœ˜์— ๊ด€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ๋ง์”€ ๋“œ๋ฆฐ ๋Œ€๋กœ
61:40
lot of beautiful expressions and putting onย  my wall and deliberately practicing them.
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์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์šด ํ‘œํ˜„๋“ค์„ ๋งŽ์ด ์ ๊ณ  ๋ฒฝ์— ๋ถ™์ด๊ณ  ์˜๋„์ ์œผ๋กœ ์—ฐ์Šตํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์–ดํœ˜๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
61:46
What I mean by that, I would sit in frontย  of the mirror and I would take expression.
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์ฆ‰, ๊ฑฐ์šธ ์•ž์— ์•‰์•„ ํ‘œ์ •์„ ์ง“๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ๋œป์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
61:51
Let's say people haveย  different likes and dislikes.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ์‹ซ์–ดํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์„œ๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฅด๋‹ค๊ณ  ๊ฐ€์ •ํ•ด ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
61:53
That's one.
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋‚˜์•ผ.
61:55
The the expression.
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ํ‘œํ˜„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
61:56
Yeah, I would flexibly use it like peopleย ย 
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๋„ค, ์ฑ…์„ ์ฝ์„ ๋•Œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋งˆ๋‹ค
61:59
have different likes and dislikesย  when it comes to reading books.
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์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ์‹ซ์–ดํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‹ค๋ฅด๋“ฏ์ด ์œ ์—ฐํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
62:03
Yeah, some people like different types of genresย  while others like different types of genres.
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๋„ค, ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์œ ํ˜•์˜ ์žฅ๋ฅด๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ , ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์œ ํ˜•์˜ ์žฅ๋ฅด๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
62:09
So by using great language chunksย  and deliberately practicing themย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์–ธ์–ด ๋ฉ์–ด๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฑฐ์šธ ์•ž์—์„œ ์˜๋„์ ์œผ๋กœ ์—ฐ์Šตํ•จ์œผ๋กœ์จ
62:15
in front of the mirror, I wasย  able to actively use my vocab.
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์–ดํœ˜๋ฅผ ์ ๊ทน์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
62:19
And it's OK.
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62:19
It's OK to forget vocab.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์žŠ์–ด๋„ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
62:21
It's OK.
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๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„์š”.
62:22
It's all about the process.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ณผ์ •์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
62:23
And it also comes down to confidence.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋˜ํ•œ ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์œผ๋กœ ๊ท€๊ฒฐ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
62:25
Look, people should not be like people,ย  should not be very shy in front of people,ย ย 
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๋ณด์„ธ์š”, ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋˜์–ด์„œ๋Š” ์•ˆ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค ์•ž์—์„œ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋ถ€๋„๋Ÿฌ์›Œํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ์•ˆ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
62:31
because everybody's going through something,ย  everybody's learning this language.
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๊ฒช๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ , ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ์ด ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
62:35
How can you be shy when learning language?
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์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ๋•Œ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ถ€๋„๋Ÿฌ์›Œํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
62:40
It it's very bad.
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๋งค์šฐ ๋‚˜์ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
62:41
So you have to first of all tell yourself,ย  hey, everybody's going through it's OK.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์šฐ์„  ์Šค์Šค๋กœ์—๊ฒŒ ' ์•ˆ๋…•, ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๊ฒช๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์ด ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
62:46
It's OK to make mistakes.
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์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ํ•ด๋„ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
62:47
It's OK to make, it's OK to forget vodka, andย  it's OK to feel embarrassed from time to time.
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๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด๋„ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ๊ณ , ๋ณด๋“œ์นด๋ฅผ ์žŠ์–ด๋„ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ๊ณ , ๊ฐ€๋” ๋‹นํ™ฉ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์›Œ๋„ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
62:55
And in this way you build confidence.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์‹์œผ๋กœ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
62:58
That's what I used to do.
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋˜ ์ผ์ด์•ผ.
63:00
I went through a lot.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์ผ์„ ๊ฒช์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
63:02
It's not OK.
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๊ดœ์ฐฎ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
63:03
It's it's not easy to wake up at theย  same time, go to bed at the same time.
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๊ฐ™์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์— ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ , ๊ฐ™์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์— ์ž ์ž๋ฆฌ์— ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์‰ฝ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
63:07
It was not easy to study for 6 to 12 hours.
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6~12์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ์‰ฝ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์–ด์š”.
63:11
It was not easy to feel embarrassed.
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๋ถ€๋„๋Ÿฌ์›€์„ ๋Š๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์‰ฝ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
63:13
When I was giving lectures, it was notย  easy but by learning from my mistakes,ย ย 
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๊ฐ•์˜๋ฅผ ํ•  ๋•Œ ์‰ฝ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋ฉฐ
63:19
I learned and that and I am still learning.
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๋ฐฐ์› ๊ณ  ์ง€๊ธˆ๋„ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
63:23
I sometimes cannot use vodka, but that's OK.
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๋ณด๋“œ์นด๋ฅผ ๋ชป ์“ธ ๋•Œ๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„์š”.
63:26
It's as I had mentioned it's a lifelong learning.
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์•ž์„œ ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด ํ‰์ƒํ•™์Šต์ด๋‹ค.
63:29
So again.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹ค์‹œ.
63:32
So you embrace the fact that mistakesย  are normal, you expect mistakes,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋Š” ๋‹น์—ฐํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ด๊ณ  , ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜๊ณ ,
63:37
and you actively practice, and through thatย  practice you're able to gain confidence.
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์ ๊ทน์ ์œผ๋กœ ์—ฐ์Šตํ•˜๊ณ , ๊ทธ ์—ฐ์Šต์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์„ ์–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
63:43
Now imagine if a student watching this couldย ย 
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์ด์ œ ์ด ์˜์ƒ์„ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๋Š” ํ•™์ƒ์ด ์˜์–ด ์‹ค๋ ฅ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๊ธฐ
63:47
only do one thing this week toย  improve their English fluency.
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์œ„ํ•ด ์ด๋ฒˆ ์ฃผ์— ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋งŒ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ์ƒํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š” .
63:54
If they could only do one thing,ย  what would you recommend they do?
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ผ๋งŒ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ๊ถŒํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‚˜์š”?
63:58
Listening and speaking are connected.
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๋“ฃ๊ธฐ์™€ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ๋Š” ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
64:00
They are both connected.
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๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
64:02
The more you listen to something,ย  the better you get at speaking.
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๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ๋“ค์„์ˆ˜๋ก ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์ด ๋” ์ข‹์•„์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
64:04
But it doesn't mean the factย  that you shouldn't speak.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋งํ•˜์ง€ ๋ง์•„์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
64:06
You have to speak, and I'm 100% sureย  that student has time on the way.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋งํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ ํ•™์ƒ์ด ๊ฐˆ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  100% ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
64:12
You could talk to yourself.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ž์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
64:13
If you are feeling embarrassed, justย  put on your earphones and start talkingย ย 
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๋‹นํ™ฉ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šฐ๋ฉด ์ด์–ดํฐ์„ ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
64:17
so that people know you're talking with somebody.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์™€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
64:21
Yes, before going to bed, talk to yourself.
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์˜ˆ, ์ž ์ž๋ฆฌ์— ๋“ค๊ธฐ ์ „์— ์ž์‹ ๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
64:24
But what I mostly recommendย  is listening to somethingย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ถ”์ฒœํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
64:27
that you actually you are actually interested in.
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. ์•ž์„œ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฐ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ
64:30
As I had mentioned, listening,ย  speaking are connected.
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๋“ฃ๊ธฐ์™€ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ๋Š” ์„œ๋กœ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
64:34
I used to watch movies.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์˜ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณค ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
64:35
I used to watch TV series like friends.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์นœ๊ตฌ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ TV ์‹œ๋ฆฌ์ฆˆ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณค ํ–ˆ๋‹ค.
64:38
Yeah, like 10 seasons.
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๋„ค, 10์‹œ์ฆŒ ์ •๋„์š”.
64:40
I used to watch friends like for hours and hours.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ช‡ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด๊ณ  ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค์„ ์ง€์ผœ๋ณด๊ณค ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
64:44
And I, I, I, I was even like, I evenย  forgot the time was flying, you know,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜, ๋‚˜, ๋‚˜ ์‹ฌ์ง€์–ด๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ,
64:50
So I watched things based on my curiosity.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ˜ธ๊ธฐ์‹ฌ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ์ง€์ผœ๋ณด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
64:54
So once again, listening and speakingย  are connected with each other.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ์™€ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ๋Š” ์„œ๋กœ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
64:58
They are not so academic.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ํ•™๋ฌธ์ ์ด์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
65:00
You don't have to study a lot of grammar.
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๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์„ ๋งŽ์ด ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•  ํ•„์š”๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
65:01
You don't have to sit down and do a lot of tests.
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์•‰์•„์„œ ๋งŽ์€ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ํ•  ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
65:05
The the more you listen to something,ย  the better you get that speaking.
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๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ๋“ค์„์ˆ˜๋ก, ๋” ์ž˜ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
65:09
But also talk to yourself.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์Šค์Šค๋กœ์—๊ฒŒ๋„ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
65:13
Very great advice.
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์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์€ ์กฐ์–ธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
65:14
Thank you so much for sharingย  your story with everyone.
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๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ณต์œ ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์œ ์ฐฝํ•œ
65:17
And why don't we end by you can tell everyoneย  what are you doing now with your English fluency.
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์˜์–ด ์‹ค๋ ฅ์œผ๋กœ ์ง€๊ธˆ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ชจ๋‘์—๊ฒŒ ์•Œ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋งˆ๋ฌด๋ฆฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ด๋–จ๊นŒ์š”?
65:24
So now that you have achievedย  these results, what are you doing?
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์ด์ œ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ์–ป์—ˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹œ๋‚˜์š”? ์ •๊ธฐ์ ์œผ๋กœ
65:29
How are you using your Englishย  skills on a regular basis?
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์˜์–ด ์‹ค๋ ฅ์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š” ?
65:33
And also please share how myย  students can connect with you.
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๋˜ํ•œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ๊ท€ํ•˜์™€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์†Œํ†ตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๊ณต์œ ํ•ด ์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
65:36
All right, so right now I'mย  doing a lot of teaching online.
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์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ์œผ๋กœ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ต์œก์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
65:40
I'm about to start my own YouTube channel,ย  which is going to happen this year,ย ย 
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์ €๋Š” ์˜ฌํ•ด๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋‚˜๋งŒ์˜ YouTube ์ฑ„๋„์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ์˜ˆ์ •์ด์ง€๋งŒ,
65:44
but right now I'm doing a lotย  of teaching online on Telegram.
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ํ˜„์žฌ๋Š” Telegram์—์„œ ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ์œผ๋กœ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ต์œก์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
65:49
If you search islands with Mustafa,ย  Double F in Mustafa, you can find me.
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๋ฌด์Šคํƒ€ํŒŒ, ๋”๋ธ”F in ๋ฌด์Šคํƒ€ํŒŒ๋กœ ์„ฌ์„ ๊ฒ€์ƒ‰ํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์ €๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์œผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ
65:56
Apart from that we have started very giganticย  project teaching over 500 students in Uzbekistan.
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์™ธ์—๋„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์šฐ์ฆˆ๋ฒ ํ‚ค์Šคํƒ„์—์„œ 500๋ช…์ด ๋„˜๋Š” ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฑฐ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
66:03
It's both offline and online.
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์˜คํ”„๋ผ์ธ์ด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ์ด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
66:06
That's what we are doing andย  recently I made a visit toย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์ด๊ณ  ์ตœ๊ทผ์—๋Š”
66:11
to to Arabic countries like Abu Dhabi and Dubai.
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์•„๋ถ€๋‹ค๋น„, ๋‘๋ฐ”์ด ๋“ฑ ์•„๋ž ๊ตญ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
66:14
Believe it or not, my languageย  skills, Oh my God, helped massively.
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๋ฏฟ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋ง๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ์ œ ์–ธ์–ด ์‹ค๋ ฅ์ด ์ •๋ง ํฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋์–ด์š”.
66:19
I was able to have a wide connection, networkย  talking to local lot ups, talking to millionaires.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์ง€์—ญ์˜ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ , ๋ฐฑ๋งŒ์žฅ์ž๋“ค๊ณผ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋ฉฐ ํญ๋„“์€ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ ๋„คํŠธ์›Œํฌ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
66:25
I'm going to tell one story.
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์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋‚˜ ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
66:27
There.
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66:27
There was a guy, there wasย  a man sitting in a hospital.
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๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ.
ํ•œ ๋‚จ์ž๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ , ํ•œ ๋‚จ์ž๊ฐ€ ๋ณ‘์›์— โ€‹โ€‹์•‰์•„ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
66:31
So I stroke up a conversation with him.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ์™€ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
66:33
Hey, how are you?
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์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”?
66:34
Can I have a can I have a talk?
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์–˜๊ธฐ ์ข€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
66:36
I'm from Uzbekistan, so by showing my emotions,ย ย 
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์ €๋Š” ์šฐ์ฆˆ๋ฒ ํ‚ค์Šคํƒ„ ์ถœ์‹ ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ œ ๊ฐ์ •๊ณผ ์–ต์–‘์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ๋ฉด์„œ
66:39
my intonation, I was able toย  talk with him and get his number.
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๊ทธ์™€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๊ณ  ์ „ํ™”๋ฒˆํ˜ธ๋ฅผ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
66:44
It turned out he was the CEO of the companyย  which manufacturers robots and motorcycles.
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์•Œ๊ณ  ๋ณด๋‹ˆ ๊ทธ๋Š” ๋กœ๋ด‡๊ณผ ์˜คํ† ๋ฐ”์ด๋ฅผ ์ œ์กฐํ•˜๋Š” ํšŒ์‚ฌ์˜ CEO์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
66:52
What I mean by that, the better youย  speak, the more connections you will have.
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์ฆ‰, ๋ง์„ ๋” ์ž˜ํ• ์ˆ˜๋ก ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ๋œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋œป์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
66:58
So right now I am working onย  myself in every possible way,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ง€๊ธˆ ์ €๋Š” ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์œผ๋กœ ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
67:02
doing a lot of teaching,ย  preparing for my uni and so yeah.
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๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๊ณ  ๋Œ€ํ•™ ์ค€๋น„๋„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง
67:08
Well, that's so inspiring.
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๊ฐ๋™์ ์ด๋„ค์š”.
67:10
And I love to hear how you're not just anย  English learner, you're an English speaker.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋‹จ์ˆœํ•œ ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์ž๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์˜์–ด ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž์ธ์ง€ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
67:17
You're out there, you're talking to strangers.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ฐ–์— ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋‚ฏ์„  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚ด ์ฑ„๋„์—์„œ ์ด ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐ๋ฅผ
67:20
You approached me to haveย  this interview on my channel.
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ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ์—ฐ๋ฝํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
67:24
You're using your English.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
67:25
You're using it to gain connections,ย  to interact with people, to learn.
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์—ฐ๊ฒฐ์„ ์–ป๊ณ , ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์ƒํ˜ธ์ž‘์šฉํ•˜๊ณ , ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
67:31
So thank you so much for sharing your story.
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์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ณต์œ ํ•ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
67:33
I know it will motivate and inspireย  all my students to keep going,ย ย 
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์ €๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด
67:38
keep pushing to improve their English skills.
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๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ์˜์–ด ์‹ค๋ ฅ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒํ•˜๋„๋ก ๋™๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ถ€์—ฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์˜๊ฐ์„ ์ค„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
67:40
So thank you again Mustafa.
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๋ฌด์Šคํƒ€ํŒŒ์—๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
67:41
Jennifer, thank you for having me.
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์ œ๋‹ˆํผ, ์ €๋ฅผ ์ดˆ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
67:44
And I am 100% sure that it's going to pay off.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๊ฑฐ๋‘˜ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  100% ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
67:47
If students work on themselves,ย  it's going to pay off.
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์Šค์Šค๋กœ ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋ฉด ์„ฑ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
67:50
It's really going to be successful.
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์ •๋ง ์„ฑ๊ณตํ•  ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
67:52
After 50-60 years, they areย  going to look back and smile.
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50~60๋…„์ด ์ง€๋‚˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋’ค๋ฅผ ๋Œ์•„๋ณด๋ฉฐ ๋ฏธ์†Œ๋ฅผ ์ง€์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
67:55
So thank you.
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๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
67:57
Thank you so much.
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๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ ์šฉํ•ด์•ผ
67:58
So much advice for you toย  put into practice, let's say.
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ํ•  ์กฐ์–ธ์ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
68:02
Thanks Mustafa, thanks Mustafaย  in the comments below and makeย ย 
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Mustafa์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋ž˜ ๋Œ“๊ธ€๋กœ Mustafa์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ํ‘œํ•˜๊ณ 
68:07
sure you put all of this advice into practice.
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์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ์กฐ์–ธ์„ ์‹ค์ฒœ์— ์˜ฎ๊ธฐ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
68:10
And if you like this video, please hit theย  Like button, share it with your friends,ย ย 
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์ด ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“œ์…จ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ข‹์•„์š” ๋ฒ„ํŠผ์„ ๋ˆŒ๋Ÿฌ ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค๊ณผ ๊ณต์œ ํ•˜๊ณ 
68:14
and subscribe so you're notifiedย  every time I post a new lesson.
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๊ตฌ๋…ํ•ด ์ฃผ์„ธ์š”. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ƒˆ ๊ฐ•์˜๋ฅผ ๊ฒŒ์‹œํ•  ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค ์•Œ๋ฆผ์„ ๋ฐ›์œผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
68:19
And I have.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฐ€์กŒ๋‹ค.
68:20
Another interview with more advice for you.
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๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์กฐ์–ธ์„ ๋‹ด์€ ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐ.
68:22
You can watch it right here.
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๋ฐ”๋กœ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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