How Nilgun improved her pronunciation in English

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Business English with Christina


ไธ‹ใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžๅญ—ๅน•ใ‚’ใƒ€ใƒ–ใƒซใ‚ฏใƒชใƒƒใ‚ฏใ™ใ‚‹ใจๅ‹•็”ปใ‚’ๅ†็”Ÿใงใใพใ™ใ€‚ ็ฟป่จณใ•ใ‚ŒใŸๅญ—ๅน•ใฏๆฉŸๆขฐ็ฟป่จณใงใ™ใ€‚

00:01
- [Christina] Okay, hello everyone this
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- [ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒŠ] ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€
00:03
is Christina from Speak English With Christina.
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ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒŠใจ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ใฎใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒŠใงใ™ใ€‚
00:06
And today I am here with Nilgun who has just finished
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ใใ—ใฆไปŠๆ—ฅใ€็งใฏใ€
00:11
three months in the Master Real American English program.
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ใƒžใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒผ ใƒชใ‚ขใƒซ ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใƒณ ใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฐใƒชใƒƒใ‚ทใƒฅ ใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ ใ‚’ 3 ใ‹ๆœˆ้–“็ต‚ใˆใŸใฐใ‹ใ‚Šใฎใƒ‹ใƒซใ‚ฌใƒณใจไธ€็ท’ใซใ“ใ“ใซใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
00:16
Nilgun, I'm very excited to
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Nilgun ใ•ใ‚“ใ€
00:19
to say congratulations for finishing your program!
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ใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ ใฎ็ต‚ไบ†ใŠใ‚ใงใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ใพใŸใ€
00:23
And just also for you to share a little bit of
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ
00:25
the experience with others.
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ไป–ใฎไบบใจ็ตŒ้จ“ใ‚’ๅฐ‘ใ—ๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใงใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚ ใพใš
00:29
So to start, maybe you could just tell us
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ๅง‹ใ‚ใซใ€ใ‚ใชใŸ่‡ช่บซใซใคใ„ใฆๅฐ‘ใ—ๆ•™ใˆใฆใ„ใŸใ ใ‘ใพใ™ใ‹
00:32
a little bit about yourself.
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00:34
- [Nilgun] So, I'm Nilgun.
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- [ใƒ‹ใƒซใ‚ฌใƒณ] ใƒ‹ใƒซใ‚ฌใƒณใงใ™ใ€‚
00:36
I'm originally from Cherokee.
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็งใฏใ‚‚ใจใ‚‚ใจใƒใ‚งใƒญใ‚ญใƒผๅ‡บ่บซใงใ™ใ€‚
00:38
And I moved to Chicago about a year ago.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใฏ็ด„1ๅนดๅ‰ใซใ‚ทใ‚ซใ‚ดใซๅผ•ใฃ่ถŠใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
00:43
And then, I'm trying to get used to the culture
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ใใ—ใฆใ€
00:47
and language here.
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ใ“ใ“ใฎๆ–‡ๅŒ–ใจ่จ€่‘‰ใซๆ…ฃใ‚Œใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
00:49
And this is why I started to work with Christina
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ“ใ‚ŒใŒ
00:52
in order to improve my language and
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็งใŒ่จ€่ชžใ‚’ๆ”นๅ–„ใ—ใ€
00:55
try to get used to the culture.
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ๆ–‡ๅŒ–ใซๆ…ฃใ‚Œใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒŠใจไธ€็ท’ใซๅƒใๅง‹ใ‚ใŸ็†็”ฑใงใ™.
00:57
- [Christina] Mm-hmm okay, yeah, sure.
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- [ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒŠ] ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ใˆใˆใ€ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€‚
00:59
And so, you know before you started the program
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ใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ ใ‚’้–‹ๅง‹ใ™ใ‚‹ๅ‰ใซใ€
01:03
for you living in the U.S. and with the culture
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ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใฆใ€ใใฎ ๆ–‡ๅŒ–
01:06
and the language, like what was the,
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ใจ่จ€่ชžใซใคใ„ใฆใ€
01:10
I guess the difficulty or the challenge
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01:13
that you, you know, faced about three months ago?
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็ด„ 3 ใ‹ๆœˆๅ‰ใซ็›ด้ขใ—ใŸๅ›ฐ้›ฃใ‚„่ชฒ้กŒใฏไฝ•ใงใ—ใŸใ‹?
01:17
- [Nilgun] So, one challenge was native speakers
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- [Nilgun] 1 ใคใฎ่ชฒ้กŒใฏใ€ ใƒใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ– ใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ซใƒผใŒ
01:21
they didn't really understand me and
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็งใฎใ“ใจใ‚’ใ‚ใพใ‚Š็†่งฃใ—ใฆใ„ใชใ‹ใฃใŸใ“ใจใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
01:23
they were like surprised to, you know, hear my accent.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ ็งใฎใ‚ขใ‚ฏใ‚ปใƒณใƒˆใ‚’่žใ„ใฆ้ฉšใ„ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
01:27
I sounded kind of like communication problems.
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็งใฏใ‚ณใƒŸใƒฅใƒ‹ใ‚ฑใƒผใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใฎๅ•้กŒใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ่žใ“ใˆใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
01:31
And second, group settings was always very challenging.
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ๆฌกใซใ€ใ‚ฐใƒซใƒผใƒ—่จญๅฎšใฏ ๅธธใซ้žๅธธใซๅ›ฐ้›ฃใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
01:35
I had hard time understanding them or perhaps fitting
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็งใฏใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใ‚’็†่งฃใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใซ่‹ฆๅŠดใ—ใŸใ‚Šใ€ ใŠใใ‚‰ใใ‚ฐใƒซใƒผใƒ—ใฎ่จญๅฎšใซๅŽใพใฃใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใซ
01:39
in in the group settings, so it's very
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01:41
most two important challenges I had before.
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่‹ฆๅŠดใ—ใพใ—ใŸ.
01:43
- [Christina] Okay, yeah, sure right.
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- [ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒŠ] ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
01:46
So, when you were looking at, I guess,
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ใงใฏใ€
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the content or the format of the Master Real American
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ใƒžใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒผใƒปใƒชใ‚ขใƒซใƒปใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใƒณใƒป
01:54
English program, what made the program
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ใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฐใƒชใƒƒใ‚ทใƒฅใƒปใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ ใฎๅ†…ๅฎนใ‚„ๅฝขๅผใ‚’่ฆ‹ใŸใจใใ€ใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ ใŒ
01:59
attractive for you?
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ใ‚ใชใŸใซใจใฃใฆ้ญ…ๅŠ›็š„ใ ใฃใŸใฎใฏไฝ•ใงใ™ใ‹?
02:02
- [Nilgun] I was, actually going over your YouTube videos,
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- [Nilgun] ็งใฏ ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ YouTube ใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใ‚’ๅฎŸ้š›ใซ่ฆ‹ใฆใ„ใฆใ€
02:07
and I really thought, that
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02:10
what you described was really fitting to my situation.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ่ชฌๆ˜ŽใŒ ็งใฎ็Šถๆณใซๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅˆใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๆ€ใ„ใพใ—ใŸ.
02:14
- [Christina] Yeah.
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- [Nilgun] So I was curious to see how it
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- [ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒŠ] ใˆใˆใ€‚
- [Nilgun] ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใจใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซ
02:17
was working with you.
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ๆฉŸ่ƒฝใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹่ˆˆๅ‘ณใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸ.
02:19
- [Christina] Okay, all right, great, yeah.
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- [ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒŠ] ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
02:21
And maybe for like students who are kind of
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ใใ—ใฆใ€
02:25
in the same situation as you,
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ใ‚ใชใŸใจๅŒใ˜ใ‚ˆใ†ใช็Šถๆณใซใ‚ใ‚‹ๅญฆ็”ŸใฎใŸใ‚ใซใ€
02:29
could you maybe describe what it was like going through
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02:32
the program, from a student's perspective?
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ๅญฆ็”Ÿใฎ่ฆ–็‚นใ‹ใ‚‰ใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ ใ‚’็ตŒ้จ“ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใŒใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ ใฃใŸใ‹ใ‚’่ชฌๆ˜Žใ—ใฆใ‚‚ใ‚‰ใˆใพใ™ใ‹?
02:38
- [Nilgun] So, we had three months, we started
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- [Nilgun] ใใ‚Œใงใ€3 ใ‹ๆœˆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚้–‹ๅง‹ใ—ใŸ
02:44
so we had weekend meetings, one group meeting,
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ใฎใงใ€้€ฑๆœซใซใƒŸใƒผใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒณใ‚ฐใ‚’่กŒใ„ใ€ ใ‚ฐใƒซใƒผใƒ— ใƒŸใƒผใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒณใ‚ฐใ‚’ 1 ๅ›ž
02:48
and one personal meeting with my individual coach.
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ใ€ ๅ€‹ไบบใ‚ณใƒผใƒใจใฎๅ€‹ไบบใƒŸใƒผใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒณใ‚ฐใ‚’ 1 ๅ›ž่กŒใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
02:51
And,
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02:53
so,
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ใงใ€
02:57
what was it like?
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ใฉใ†ใ ใฃใŸ๏ผŸ
02:59
- [Christina] Lets see, what did we have?
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- [ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒŠ] ใˆใฃใจใ€ไฝ•ใŒใ‚ใฃใŸใฎ?
03:01
Because it's a lot of stuff in this program.
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ใ“ใฎใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ ใซใฏใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎใ‚‚ใฎใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
03:02
So, lets see, what did you,
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ใใ‚Œใงใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏไฝ•ใ‚’ใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ‹ใ€
03:04
we had the, you had your individual session with
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็งใŸใกใฏใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๅ…ˆ็”Ÿ ใจใฎๅ€‹ๅˆฅใฎใ‚ปใƒƒใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸ
03:08
the teacher. So, like 30 minutes. Who was your teacher?
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. ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€30 ๅˆ†ใใ‚‰ใ„ใ€‚ ใ‚ใชใŸใฎๅ…ˆ็”Ÿใฏ่ชฐใงใ—ใŸใ‹ใ€‚
03:12
- [Nilgun] Ben. Ben was my teacher.
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- [ใƒ‹ใƒซใ‚ฌใƒณ] ใƒ™ใƒณใ€‚ ใƒ™ใƒณใฏ็งใฎๅ…ˆ็”Ÿใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
03:13
- [Christina] Okay, you were with Ben.
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- [ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒŠ] ใƒ™ใƒณใจไธ€็ท’ใ ใฃใŸใญใ€‚
03:16
Then you had the one hour of group
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ใใฎๅพŒใ€ๆฏŽ้€ฑ 1 ๆ™‚้–“ใฎใ‚ฐใƒซใƒผใƒ— ใ‚ณใƒผใƒใƒณใ‚ฐ ใ‚ปใƒƒใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸ
03:18
coaching session every week.
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03:21
Then the fluency club,
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ใใ‚Œใ‹ใ‚‰ๆตๆšขใ‚ฏใƒฉใƒ–ใชใฎใงใ€
03:23
so the conversation practice.
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ไผš่ฉฑใฎ็ทด็ฟ’ใ€‚ ใใ‚Œ
03:26
And then the online course Understand
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ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณ ใ‚ณใƒผใ‚นใฎใ€Œ
03:29
Real American English, and then I think you
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Real American English ใ‚’็†่งฃใ™ใ‚‹ใ€ใงใฏใ€็™บ้Ÿณใซ้–ขใ™ใ‚‹
03:33
also were working with a book about pronunciation as well.
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ๆœฌใ‚‚ๆ‰ฑใฃใฆใ„ใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ ใ€‚
03:36
- [Nilgun] Pronunciation as well.
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03:36
- [Christina] Yeah, yeah.
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- [Nilgun] ็™บ้Ÿณใ‚‚ใ€‚
- [ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒŠ] ใˆใˆใ€ใˆใˆใ€‚
03:37
- [Nilgun] So there was all sorts of things
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- [Nilgun] ใ„ใ‚ใ„ใ‚ใ‚ใฃใŸใ‚“ใงใ™ใญ
03:39
going on.
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03:42
So, actually I liked individual coaching it was
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใซใฏใ€
03:45
more concentrated on accent.
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03:49
And sometimes we were coaching as well.
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03:53
And I feel like,
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03:57
So I think it really helps to know that
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I have a session. Twice in a week.
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04:03
So that I feel compelled to work and
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04:07
be prepared for those sessions.
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04:09
So that I can program myself, and you know,
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04:13
it's like, if it was just me,
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04:16
I may think of, like, you know,
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04:19
just be compelled to something else, to something else,
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04:23
which is just pulling you to these things.
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04:26
But, now I know I have a session,
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04:27
I just feel responsible.
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04:29
More responsible to take my work to the session
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04:33
where we can talk about it.
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04:34
- [Christina] Yeah, and I think a lot of students
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- [Christina] ใˆใˆใ€ ๅคšใใฎๅญฆ็”ŸใŒ
04:37
they say the same thing.
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04:38
They're like 'I know I have an appointment
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04:40
with my teacher, my coach, which means
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04:43
I have to prepare this session.
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04:45
So I do the homework.'
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04:47
And I guess its a good structure, you know,
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04:51
to force you to find the time to do it.
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04:53
Yeah, right.
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04:55
Yeah, okay, and so what was maybe
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04:58
the part of the program that you appreciated the most?
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05:06
- [Nilgun] I actually don't know, I liked
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- [Nilgun] ๅฎŸใฏใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
05:09
all things.
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05:11
I mean, I really liked first of all, Ben.
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05:14
He was very patient with me,
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05:17
and he's a great speaker, you know,
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05:19
I really admired like the way that he speaks,
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05:23
and I had a really fun time with him,
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05:25
and learned many things from him.
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05:27
And yeah, that was one of the things
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05:29
that I really liked about it.
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05:30
- [Christina] Yeah, just having that
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- [ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒŠ] ใˆใˆใ€ๅ€‹ไบบใ‚ปใƒƒใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ ใ‘ใง
05:31
individual session, and you know,
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05:33
Ben is a fantastic person.
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05:37
He's really nice.
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05:39
Yeah, okay, great, great.
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05:41
And so, I guess now after the three months
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05:44
how do you feel if we compare before
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05:49
you started the program,
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05:50
and now that you finished?
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05:52
Like, what's the change?
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05:53
Or the difference.
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05:56
- [Nilgun] Well, I mean I definitely feel more confident.
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- [Nilgun] ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€ ็ขบใ‹ใซ่‡ชไฟกใŒใคใใพใ—ใŸใญใ€‚ ๆตๆšขใ•ใชใฉใ€่‡ชๅˆ†ใŒ้–“้•ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’
06:02
So, first thing that I wanted to learn
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06:05
what I was doing wrong, like with fluency
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06:12
And I found other things,
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06:14
about things I do wrong with my accent.
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06:17
I will be, and I am still working
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06:19
on it to fix them, but it's very important for
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06:21
me because before I had no idea.
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06:24
- [Christina] Right.
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06:25
- [Nilgun] And then, second thing
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- [Nilgun] ๆฌกใซใ€2 ใค็›ฎใฏใ€
06:27
is how I learned to stay calm,
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06:31
and try to slow down, and try to articulate.
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06:35
So if you get really excited, just stop thinking.
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06:38
And instead, I just calmed down and stopped thinking,
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06:41
and I slow down, these things.
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06:43
And these things really help you
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06:44
to cover excited, or being excited
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06:48
when you're talking with someone.
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.
06:51
- [Christina] Right, yeah. Just like to remember
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- [ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒŠ] ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€‚ ่ฆšใˆใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซ
06:54
like, hey, calm down, it's all gonna be okay.
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06:56
And then it is okay.
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06:57
So, yeah right.
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06:58
Okay, and I guess the final question
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07:01
would be for someone who is
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07:06
maybe considering joining the program,
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07:11
is there anything you would say to them
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07:15
about the program, about making
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07:17
the decision, anything like that?
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07:20
- [Nilgun] So, I would, the only advice
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- [Nilgun] ใงใฏใ€
07:23
is to participate in this program.
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07:25
But make sure you schedule your time
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ใŸใ ใ—ใ€ใ‚ปใƒƒใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใฎๆบ–ๅ‚™ใŒใงใใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’ใ‚นใ‚ฑใ‚ธใƒฅใƒผใƒซใ—ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„
07:29
to be prepared for the sessions.
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07:32
Because most of the learning is
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07:34
not within the sessions.
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ใ‚ปใƒƒใ‚ทใƒงใƒณๅ†…ใซใชใ„ใŸใ‚ใงใ™ใ€‚
07:37
Most of the learning is before or after the session.
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ใปใจใ‚“ใฉใฎๅญฆ็ฟ’ใฏใ€ ใ‚ปใƒƒใ‚ทใƒงใƒณใฎๅ‰ๅพŒใซใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
07:40
And you just bring your questions there.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใ“ใซ่ณชๅ•ใ‚’ๆŒใก่พผใ‚€ใ ใ‘ใงใ™ใ€‚
07:42
It's definitely helpful.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ้–“้•ใ„ใชใๅฝนใซ็ซ‹ใกใพใ™ใ€‚
07:43
And you can proceed by only your own working,
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ใพใŸใ€ ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎไฝœๆฅญใ ใ‘ใง้€ฒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใงใใพใ™ใŒใ€
07:46
but it will help you to gain more knowledge.
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ใ‚ˆใ‚Šๅคšใใฎ็Ÿฅ่ญ˜ใ‚’ๅพ—ใ‚‹ใฎใซๅฝน็ซ‹ใกใพใ™ใ€‚
07:52
- [Christina] Yeah, no, you know,
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- [ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒŠ] ใˆใˆใ€ใ„ใ‚„ใ€
07:53
that is really good advice.
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ใใ‚Œใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใซ่‰ฏใ„ใ‚ขใƒ‰ใƒใ‚คใ‚นใงใ™ใ€‚
07:54
Because I think a lot of people,they think
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07:58
that the work happens during the time
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้–“ใซไป•ไบ‹ใŒ่ตทใ“ใ‚‹ใจ่€ƒใˆใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใง
08:01
with the teacher, and the work does happen.
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ใ€ ไป•ไบ‹ใฏๅฎŸ้š›ใซ่ตทใ“ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
08:03
But, the big, big, big results come
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ๅคงใใชใ€ๅคงใใชใ€ๅคงใใช็ตๆžœใฏใ€
08:05
from the work that you do.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่กŒใฃใŸไป•ไบ‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ‚‚ใŸใ‚‰ใ•ใ‚Œใพใ™ใ€‚
08:07
- [Nilgun] Because when were young
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- [Nilgun] ๅนผใ„้ ƒใซ
08:10
we go to school and we learn that.
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ๅญฆๆ กใซ้€šใ„ใ€ใใ‚Œใ‚’ๅญฆใ‚“ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
08:12
But, now this is not like that.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ไปŠใฏใใ†ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
08:14
I think this is more like you learn yourself,
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ ่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใ‚’ๅญฆใถใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
08:16
but then you need coaching and help from coaches like you.
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ใŒใ€ใ‚ณใƒผใƒใƒณใ‚ฐใจ ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚ณใƒผใƒใ‹ใ‚‰ใฎๅŠฉใ‘ใŒๅฟ…่ฆใงใ™.
08:21
It's how it works.
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ใใ‚ŒใŒใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๆฉŸ่ƒฝใ™ใ‚‹ใ‹ใงใ™ใ€‚
08:22
- [Christina] Yeah, that is a good way to describe it.
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- [ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒŠ] ใˆใˆใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ ใใ‚Œใ‚’่ชฌๆ˜Žใ™ใ‚‹่‰ฏใ„ๆ–นๆณ•ใงใ™.
08:25
Because it's really like we're here to
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็งใŸใกใŒใ“ใ“ใซใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใฏใ€
08:27
point out what you need to do,
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒไฝ•ใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚’ๆŒ‡ๆ‘˜ใ—ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’
08:30
point out the resources to guide you,
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ๅฐŽใใŸใ‚ใฎใƒชใ‚ฝใƒผใ‚นใ‚’ๆŒ‡ๆ‘˜ใ—ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’
08:32
and correct you, tell you and like you said, tell
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ไฟฎๆญฃใ—ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่จ€ใฃใŸ ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€
08:36
you what you are doing wrong so you can go and fix it.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ้–“้•ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๆ•™ใˆใฆใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่กŒใฃใฆไฟฎๆญฃใงใใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซใ“ใ“ใซใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™. .
08:38
- [Nilgun] Those things you cannot do yourself.
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- [Nilgun] ่‡ชๅˆ†ใงใฏใงใใชใ„ใ“ใจใ€‚
08:42
Those things you cannot because it's still you,
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08:44
teaching it to yourself.
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่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใซๆ•™ใˆใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€ใงใใชใ„ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
08:45
All of us need some type of coaching.
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็งใŸใกใฏ็š†ใ€ใ‚ใ‚‹็จฎใฎใ‚ณใƒผใƒใƒณใ‚ฐใ‚’ๅฟ…่ฆใจใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ ้›ฃใ—ใ„ใฎใงใ€
08:47
You have to work yourself, because it's hard.
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใงไฝœๆฅญใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ ใ€‚
08:49
It's very hard.
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ใจใฆใ‚‚้›ฃใ—ใ„ใ€‚
08:50
You cannot fix it in a half an hour.
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30ๅˆ†ใงใฏไฟฎๆญฃใงใใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
08:54
- [Christina] Yeah, yeah exactly you need like that outside
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- [ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒŠ] ใˆใˆใ€ใˆใˆใ€ใพใ•ใซใ‚ใชใŸใ‚’ๅŠฉใ‘ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซใ€ ใใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชๅค–้ƒจใ‹ใ‚‰ใฎไป‹ๅ…ฅใŒๅฟ…่ฆใงใ™
08:57
intervention to help you.
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08:59
But then you have to go and apply it in
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09:01
'the real world' lets say, to make the change.
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ใ€Œ็พๅฎŸใฎไธ–็•Œใ€ใซ้ฉ็”จใ—ใฆใ€ ๅค‰ๆ›ดใ‚’ๅŠ ใˆใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
09:04
Okay, great, thank you, thank you
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ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€
09:06
very much Nilgun.
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ใƒ‹ใƒซใ‚ฌใƒณใ€‚
09:08
And again, congratulations on finishing up the program.
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ใใ—ใฆๆ”นใ‚ใพใ—ใฆใ€ ็•ช็ต„็ต‚ไบ†ใŠใ‚ใงใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
09:11
- [Nilgun] Thank you.
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- [ใƒ‹ใƒซใ‚ฌใƒณ] ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
09:12
- [Christina] And for sharing
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- [ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒŠ] ใใ—ใฆใ€
09:14
your experience with us. Thanks.
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