How Romina learned to understand native speakers

5,132 views ใƒป 2019-09-12

Business English with Christina


ไธ‹ใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžๅญ—ๅน•ใ‚’ใƒ€ใƒ–ใƒซใ‚ฏใƒชใƒƒใ‚ฏใ™ใ‚‹ใจๅ‹•็”ปใ‚’ๅ†็”Ÿใงใใพใ™ใ€‚ ็ฟป่จณใ•ใ‚ŒใŸๅญ—ๅน•ใฏๆฉŸๆขฐ็ฟป่จณใงใ™ใ€‚

00:01
- [Christina] Okay, hello everyone.
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- [ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒŠ] ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใ€‚
00:03
This is Christina from Speak English with Christina,
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Speak English with Christina ใฎ Christina ใงใ™ใ€‚
00:06
and I'm here today with Romina,
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ไปŠๆ—ฅใฏใ€
00:10
who has just finished up
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00:12
the Master Real American English program.
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Master Real American English ใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ ใ‚’ไฟฎไบ†ใ—ใŸใฐใ‹ใ‚Šใฎ Romina ใจไธ€็ท’ใซใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
00:15
She's going to be continuing a second edition of it,
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ๅฝผๅฅณใฏ ใใฎ็ฌฌ 2 ็‰ˆใ‚’็ถ™็ถšใ™ใ‚‹ไบˆๅฎšใงใ€
00:20
which we're very excited about, and,
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็งใŸใกใฏ้žๅธธใซ่ˆˆๅฅฎใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚Romina
00:23
Romina, first I just wanna say thanks for
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ใ€ๆœ€ๅˆใซใ€
00:27
taking a few minutes to share your experience.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ็ตŒ้จ“ใ‚’ๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซๆ•ฐๅˆ†้–“ใ‚’ๅ‰ฒใ„ใฆใใ‚Œใฆใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใจ่จ€ใ„ใŸใ„ใงใ™.
00:31
To start, maybe, can you just introduce yourself,
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ใพใšใ€
00:37
so that the people watching this video
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ใ“ใฎใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไบบใซใ€
00:39
can know a little bit about who you are
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่ชฐใงใ€
00:41
and why you are improving your English.
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ใชใœใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ไธŠ้”ใ•ใ›ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ใ‚’ๅฐ‘ใ—็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ‚‚ใ‚‰ใ†ใŸใ‚ใซใ€่‡ชๅทฑ็ดนไป‹ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใ ใ‘ใพใ™ใ‹ใ€‚
00:45
- [Romina] Hi, everyone. I'm Romina.
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- [Romina] ็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€‚ ็งใฏใƒญใƒŸใƒŠใงใ™ใ€‚
00:49
I come from Italy, but now I live in Belgium.
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็งใฏใ‚คใ‚ฟใƒชใ‚ขๅ‡บ่บซใงใ™ใŒใ€ ไปŠใฏใƒ™ใƒซใ‚ฎใƒผใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
00:53
And, I decided to join the Master Real American English as,
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใฏ
00:59
since I moved abroad, I need to improve my English
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ๆตทๅค–ใซๅผ•ใฃ่ถŠใ—ใŸใฎใงใ€ไป•ไบ‹ใง่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ไฝฟใ†ใฎใง ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’ๆ”นๅ–„ใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใ€
01:03
because I use English for work, and,
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01:09
so the idea was to find a course
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01:15
that could give me the opportunity
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01:18
to follow lessons, and to learn things,
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ใƒฌใƒƒใ‚นใƒณใซๅพ“ใ†ๆฉŸไผšใ‚’ไธŽใˆใฆใใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‚ณใƒผใ‚นใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’่€ƒใˆใŸใฎใงใ€ใƒžใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒผ ใƒชใ‚ขใƒซ ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใƒณ ใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฐใƒชใƒƒใ‚ทใƒฅใซๅ‚ๅŠ ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ ใ€ใใ—ใฆ็‰ฉไบ‹ใ‚’ๅญฆใถใŸใ‚ใซใ€
01:23
in moment which I had availability
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01:29
because we both work a lot.
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็งใŸใกใฏไธกๆ–นใจใ‚‚ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ๅƒใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€็งใŒๅˆฉ็”จใงใใ‚‹็žฌ้–“ใซใ€‚
01:33
- Yeah.
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01:33
- And, it's not enough to do everything.
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- ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
- ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ™ในใฆใ‚’่กŒใ†ใ ใ‘ใงใฏๅๅˆ†ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
01:38
- Yeah.
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- ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
01:39
- And, the idea of following a course online
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-ใใ—ใฆใ€ ใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณใงใ‚ณใƒผใ‚นใ‚’ๅ—่ฌ›ใ™ใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†ใ‚ขใ‚คใƒ‡ใ‚ขใฏใ€
01:42
was very interesting for me.
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็งใซใจใฃใฆ้žๅธธใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
01:45
- Had you ever done any courses online in the past?
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- ้ŽๅŽปใซใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณใฎใ‚ณใƒผใ‚นใ‚’ๅ—่ฌ›ใ—ใŸใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹ ?
01:49
Or was this the first time?
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ใใ‚Œใจใ‚‚ๅˆใ‚ใฆใงใ—ใŸใ‹๏ผŸ
01:51
- Never, this is the first time.
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-ๆฑบใ—ใฆใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏๅˆใ‚ใฆใงใ™ใ€‚
01:52
- Okay, oh great. (Romina laughs)
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- ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ (Romina ็ฌ‘)
01:53
- Oh, wow!
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- ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ‚ใ‚๏ผ
01:54
Okay, so I'm very honored about that.
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ใจใฆใ‚‚ๅ…‰ๆ „ใงใ™ใ€‚
01:56
- Just with a simple research on internet,
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- ใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒผใƒใƒƒใƒˆใง็ฐกๅ˜ใช่ชฟๆŸปใ‚’ใ—ใŸใ ใ‘ใงใ€
02:00
I found your website.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ‚ฆใ‚งใƒ–ใ‚ตใ‚คใƒˆใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
02:02
- And I read... - Yeah.
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- ใใ—ใฆ็งใฏ่ชญใ‚“ใ ... - ใˆใˆใ€‚
02:03
- I watched some of the contents that you was published
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ใƒป ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๆŽฒ่ผ‰ใ•ใ‚Œใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅ†…ๅฎนใ‚’ใ„ใใคใ‹ๆ‹่ฆ‹ใ—ใฆใ€
02:07
and I found out that they were very interesting,
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ใจใฆใ‚‚้ข็™ฝใ‹ใฃใŸ
02:12
so I decided to join the course.
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ใฎใงๅ—่ฌ›ใ‚’ๆฑบใ‚ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
02:14
- Okay, well thank you very much.
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- ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€ใฉใ†ใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
02:17
And actually, that's actually a very good point
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ๅฎŸ้š›ใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏ ้žๅธธใซ่‰ฏใ„็‚นใงใ™ใ€‚
02:19
because I think sometimes, like you, students...
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๅญฆ็”Ÿใฎๅ ดๅˆใ€
02:23
maybe this would be their very first online course.
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ใ“ใ‚ŒใŒ ๆœ€ๅˆใฎใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณ ใ‚ณใƒผใ‚นใซใชใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใชใ„ใจๆ€ใ†ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
02:28
Did you have any kind of, like, hesitations
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02:32
or worries about doing an online course?
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ใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณ่ฌ›ๅบงใ‚’ๅ—่ฌ›ใ™ใ‚‹ใซใ‚ใŸใฃใฆใ€่ฟทใ„ใ‚„ไธๅฎ‰ใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ‹๏ผŸ
02:37
- Yes, but my main worry was...
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- ใฏใ„ใ€ใงใ‚‚็งใฎไธปใชๅฟƒ้…ใฏ...
02:43
it's very important to feel people who are speaking with you
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ใ‚ใชใŸใจ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ไบบใŒ
02:48
not to be just a face on a screen.
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็”ป้ขไธŠใฎๅ˜ใชใ‚‹้ก”ใงใฏใชใ„ใ“ใจใ‚’ๆ„Ÿใ˜ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏ้žๅธธใซ้‡่ฆใงใ™.
02:52
- Yeah.
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- ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
02:53
- And I was worried about having not to getting empathy.
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-ใใ—ใฆใ€ ๅ…ฑๆ„Ÿใ‚’ๅพ—ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใชใ„ใ“ใจใŒๅฟƒ้…ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
02:58
- Yeah.
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- ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
02:59
- Not be able of getting empathy with the people
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ใƒปใ‚ณใƒผใ‚นใ‚’ๅ—่ฌ›ใ™ใ‚‹ ไบบใซๅ…ฑๆ„Ÿใงใใชใ„
03:01
following the course.
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03:02
- Yeah.
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- ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
03:03
- But must admit that it was a very interesting experience.
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- ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ้žๅธธใซ่ˆˆๅ‘ณๆทฑใ„็ตŒ้จ“ใ ใฃใŸใ“ใจใ‚’่ชใ‚ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ .
03:06
Above all, it was online.
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ไฝ•ใ‚ˆใ‚Šใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณใงใ—ใŸใ€‚ ไธ–็•Œไธญใ‹ใ‚‰้›†ใพใฃใŸ
03:08
I had the opportunity to speak with people
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ไบบใ€…ใจ่ฉฑใ™ๆฉŸไผšใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸ
03:10
coming all around the world.
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03:12
They're from different countries
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ็•ฐใชใ‚‹ๅ›ฝ
03:14
and different time, and share, also, personal experiences.
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ใจ็•ฐใชใ‚‹ๆ™‚ไปฃใ‹ใ‚‰ๆฅใฆใŠใ‚Šใ€ๅ€‹ไบบ็š„ใช็ตŒ้จ“ใ‚‚ๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ .
03:20
It was funny and stimulating.
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้ข็™ฝใใฆๅˆบๆฟ€็š„ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
03:23
- Yeah, okay.
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- ใ‚ใ‚ใ„ใ„ใ‚ˆใ€‚
03:24
Yeah, that's right because you were in a group with,
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ใˆใˆใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใญใ€
03:26
let's see, there was Isabelle who was from France.
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ใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚นๅ‡บ่บซใฎใ‚คใ‚ถใƒ™ใƒซใจไธ€็ท’ใซใ‚ฐใƒซใƒผใƒ—ใซใ„ใŸใ‹ใ‚‰ใญใ€‚
03:30
- Yes.
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03:30
- Anthony who was from France, but he lives in the USA.
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- ใฏใ„ใ€‚
- ใ‚ขใƒณใ‚ฝใƒ‹ใƒผใ•ใ‚“ใฏใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚นๅ‡บ่บซใงใ™ ใŒใ€ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
03:33
- Exactly.
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- ใใฎ้€šใ‚Šใ€‚ ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซ
03:35
Aisha, who lives in the...
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ใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ขใ‚คใ‚ทใƒฃใฏ...
03:37
- Lives in the US
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- ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใพใ™
03:38
but she's from Turkey, I think, originally.
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ใŒใ€ใƒˆใƒซใ‚ณ ๅ‡บ่บซใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
03:40
- Yeah. - Yeah, right.
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- ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚ - ใˆใˆใ€ใใฎ้€šใ‚Šใ€‚
03:42
- Yeah, it's true.
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- ใˆใˆใ€ใใ‚Œใฏๆœฌๅฝ“ใงใ™ใ€‚
03:43
I guess, one of the advantages of an online course
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ใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณ ใ‚ณใƒผใ‚นใฎๅˆฉ็‚นใฎ 1 ใคใฏใ€
03:45
is you get people from different cultures,
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ใ•ใพใ–ใพใชๆ–‡ๅŒ–ใ€
03:49
and languages, and experiences that you can interact with.
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่จ€่ชžใ€ใŠใ‚ˆใณ ไบคๆตใงใใ‚‹็ตŒ้จ“ใ‚’ๆŒใคไบบใ€…ใ‚’ๅพ—ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
03:54
Yeah, okay. Great, great.
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03:54
I'm glad you had a really good
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03:57
first experience of an online course.
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ใฏใ˜ใ‚ใฆใฎใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณ่ฌ›ๅบงใ‚’ไฝ“้จ“ใ—ใฆใ„ใŸใ ใใ€ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ‚ˆใ‹ใฃใŸใงใ™ใ€‚
04:01
Now, let's see, you did the program for three months.
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ใ•ใฆใ€่ฆ‹ใฆใฟใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏใ“ใฎ ใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ ใ‚’ 3 ใ‹ๆœˆ้–“่กŒใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
04:04
- Yes.
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- ใฏใ„ใ€‚
04:05
- And, how did you feel before you joined?
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โ€•โ€•ใงใฏใ€ๅ…ฅ็คพๅ‰ใฏใฉใ‚“ใชๆฐ—ๆŒใกใงใ—ใŸใ‹๏ผŸ ๅ‚ๅŠ ใ™ใ‚‹ๅ‰ใซ่งฃๆฑบใ—ใ‚ˆใ†ใจใ—ใฆใ„ใŸ
04:08
Like, what was the problem that you were trying to solve,
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ๅ•้กŒใฏไฝ•ใงใ—ใŸใ‹
04:13
before you joined?
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04:13
- Acquiring more confidence in order to join
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?
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04:17
some important job meetings...
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ใ„ใใคใ‹ใฎ้‡่ฆใชไป•ไบ‹ใฎไผš่ญฐใซๅ‚ๅŠ ใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซใ€ใ‚ˆใ‚Šๅคšใใฎ่‡ชไฟกใ‚’ๅพ—ใ‚‹.
04:20
- Right.
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04:21
- Without having fear to open mouth.
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ใƒปๅฃใ‚’้–‹ใ‘ใ‚‹ใฎใŒๆ€–ใใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
04:23
(Romina laughs)
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(ใƒญใƒŸใƒŠ็ฌ‘)
04:24
- Yeah, yeah.
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- ใˆใˆใ€ใˆใˆใ€‚
04:25
Because they can be very intimidating, sometimes.
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ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏๆ™‚ใ€…้žๅธธใซๅจๅœง็š„ใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ ใ€‚
04:27
- Exactly.
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- ใใฎ้€šใ‚Šใ€‚
04:28
- Yeah, right.
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04:28
And so, maybe, how do you feel now that you've finished
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- ใˆใˆใ€ใใฎ้€šใ‚Šใ€‚
ใงใฏใ€
04:36
those three months in the program?
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ใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ ใงใฎ 3 ใ‹ๆœˆใ‚’็ต‚ใˆใŸไปŠใ€ใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๆ„Ÿใ˜ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ‹?
04:38
- I'm not so scared as I was at the beginning.
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- ๆœ€ๅˆใปใฉๆ€–ใใชใ„ใงใ™ ใ€‚
04:43
- Now if I have to have a call
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-ไปŠใ€้›ป่ฉฑใŒๅฟ…่ฆใชๅ ดๅˆใฏใ€
04:45
I think I'm able to do it.
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ใงใใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
04:47
- Yeah.
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- ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
04:48
- And if I need to call someone for work,
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- ใใ—ใฆใ€ไป•ไบ‹ใฎใŸใ‚ใซ่ชฐใ‹ใซ้›ป่ฉฑใ™ใ‚‹ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใ€
04:50
I'm not so scared about
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04:53
if my English is sufficient enough...
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็งใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžใŒๅๅˆ†ใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹ใซใคใ„ใฆใฏใใ‚Œใปใฉๆ€–ใใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“...
05:00
- Yeah.
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05:00
- To perform well in English.
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- ่‹ฑ่ชžใงไธŠๆ‰‹ใซๆผ”ๅฅใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ€‚
05:04
So, it was a good achievement for me.
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ็งใซใจใฃใฆ่‰ฏใ„ๆˆๆžœใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
05:10
- Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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- ใˆใˆใ€ใˆใˆใ€ใพใ•ใซใ€‚
05:11
Because it's, I think...
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ€็งใŒๆ€ใ†ใซ...
05:14
Just sort of realizing that you can do it,
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒใใ‚Œใ‚’่กŒใ†ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซๆฐ—ใฅใใ€ใใ‚Œ
05:18
and then going and doing it,
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ใ‹ใ‚‰่กŒใฃใฆใใ‚Œใ‚’่กŒใ„ใ€
05:21
and then seeing, hey, I can do this.
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ใใ—ใฆ่ฆ‹ใฆใ€ใญใˆใ€็งใฏใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’่กŒใ†ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™.
05:23
- Exactly.
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- ใใฎ้€šใ‚Šใ€‚
05:24
- That is a big step
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-ใใ‚Œใฏๅคงใใชไธ€ๆญฉใงใ™ใ€‚
05:26
because then you feel better in the future,
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ ๅฐ†ๆฅใฏๆฐ—ๅˆ†ใŒ่‰ฏใใชใ‚Šใ€
05:28
and you do it more, and then you get better, and so, yeah.
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ใ‚‚ใฃใจใ‚„ใ‚Œใฐ ่‰ฏใใชใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
05:32
- Yes, I think that this...
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05:35
There was a turning point in which
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05:37
I realized that I can do it.
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ใ€‚
05:40
- All right! Fantastic, yeah.
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- ใ‚ใ‹ใฃใŸ๏ผ ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
05:41
So now it's...
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ไปŠใฏโ€ฆ
05:42
- I think that now I'm also much more able to understand.
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- ็งใ‚‚ ใ‚‚ใฃใจ็†่งฃใงใใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใฃใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
05:48
- Yeah. A lot, like, native speakers,
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- ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚ ๅคšใใฎๅ ดๅˆใ€ใƒใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ– ใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ซใƒผใ€
05:51
or non-native speakers or both?
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ใพใŸใฏ้žใƒใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ– ใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ซใƒผใ€ใพใŸใฏใใฎไธกๆ–นใงใ™ใ‹?
05:52
- Exactly, both. - Okay, yeah.
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-ใพใ•ใซใ€ไธกๆ–นใ€‚ - ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
05:55
- Of course, it depends on accents
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05:57
but I think that, also, it's easier for me
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05:59
to understand native speakers.
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ใƒใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ซใƒผใฎๆ–นใŒ็†่งฃใ—ใ‚„ใ™ใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
06:03
I think that for me, it's easier,
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็งใซใจใฃใฆใฏ็ฐกๅ˜ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
06:06
but I think for most people,
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ใŒใ€ใปใจใ‚“ใฉใฎไบบใซใจใฃใฆใฏใ€ใฒใฉใ„ใ‚ขใ‚ฏใ‚ปใƒณใƒˆใ‚’
06:08
it's easier to understand non-native speakers
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06:11
apart from when they have a terrible accent, or...
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ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใ‚’้™คใ„ใฆใ€้žใƒใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ–ใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ซใƒผใ‚’็†่งฃใ™ใ‚‹ๆ–นใŒ็ฐกๅ˜ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
06:14
- Yeah, or they speak really fast, or, yeah.
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06:17
- But in generally, it's easier to understand
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06:19
the non-native speakers.
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้žใƒใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ– ใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ซใƒผใฎๆ–นใŒ็†่งฃใ—ใ‚„ใ™ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
06:22
Now I think that I'm able to understand
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ไปŠใงใฏใ€
06:24
native speakers more than before...
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ไปฅๅ‰ใ‚ˆใ‚Šใ‚‚ใƒใ‚คใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒ– ใ‚นใƒ”ใƒผใ‚ซใƒผใ‚’็†่งฃใงใใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใชใฃใŸใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™...
06:26
- Okay, alright.
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- ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
06:27
- And this is another good point.
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- ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ‚‚ใ†ไธ€ใคใฎ่‰ฏใ„็‚นใงใ™ใ€‚
06:29
- Yeah, because often, a lot of times, people complain,
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-ใˆใˆใ€ๅคšใใฎๅ ดๅˆใ€ๅคšใ ใฎๅ ดๅˆใ€ไบบใ€…ใฏไธๅนณใ‚’่จ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
06:33
Americans, they speak fast or they eat their words.
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ใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซไบบใฏใ€ๆ—ฉๅฃใง่ฉฑใ—ใŸใ‚Š ใ€่จ€่‘‰ใ‚’้ฃŸในใŸใ‚Šใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
06:36
- They eat their words.
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- ๅฝผใ‚‰ใฏ่จ€่‘‰ใ‚’้ฃŸในใพใ™ใ€‚
06:37
- Yeah, right, yeah.
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- ใˆใˆใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใ€‚
06:40
- Okay.
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- ใ‚ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
06:41
- I also have understood that the most important things
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- ใพใŸใ€ ๆœ€ใ‚‚้‡่ฆใชใ“ใจใฏ
06:44
is to catch the general meaning,
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ไธ€่ˆฌ็š„ใชๆ„ๅ‘ณใ‚’็†่งฃใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใ‚‚็†่งฃใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
06:47
because it's normal, when you speak very fast.
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ใชใœใชใ‚‰ใ€ ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ้žๅธธใซ้€Ÿใ่ฉฑใ™ใจใใ€ใใ‚Œใฏๆ™ฎ้€šใฎใ“ใจใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
06:50
In Italian, it's the same.
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ใ‚คใ‚ฟใƒชใ‚ข่ชžใงใ‚‚ๅŒใ˜ใงใ™ใ€‚
06:53
We do a lot of inferences to fill the gap
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็งใŸใกใฏไผš่ฉฑใฎใ‚ฎใƒฃใƒƒใƒ—ใ‚’ๅŸ‹ใ‚ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซๅคšใใฎๆŽจ่ซ–ใ‚’่กŒใ„ใพใ™ใŒ
06:56
of our conversation, and the same is in English.
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ใ€ ใใ‚Œใฏ่‹ฑ่ชžใงใ‚‚ๅŒใ˜ใงใ™ใ€‚
06:59
So it's not to important to understand each singular word.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ ๅ€‹ใ€…ใฎๅ˜่ชžใ‚’็†่งฃใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใใ‚Œใปใฉ้‡่ฆใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
07:03
- Exactly.
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- ใใฎ้€šใ‚Šใ€‚
07:04
- It's important to understand the general meaning
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- ไธ€่ˆฌ็š„ใชๆ„ๅ‘ณใ‚’็†่งฃใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒ้‡่ฆใงใ™ใ€‚
07:05
and there is nothing wrong in asking,
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07:08
"Sorry, can you repeat please."
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ใ€Œใ™ใฟใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€ใ‚‚ใ†ไธ€ๅบฆใŠ้ก˜ใ„ใ—ใพใ™ใ€ใจๅฐ‹ใญใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏไฝ•ใ‚‚ๆ‚ชใ„ใ“ใจใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
07:10
(Romina laughs) - Yeah, exactly.
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(Romina ็ฌ‘) - ใˆใˆใ€ใใฎใจใŠใ‚Šใงใ™ใ€‚
07:12
- Often, a lot of times, what I tell students is like,
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- ๅคšใใฎๅ ดๅˆใ€ ็งใŒ็”Ÿๅพ’ใŸใกใซ่จ€ใ†ใฎใฏใ€
07:15
if you, let's say you go through your life
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ใŸใจใˆใฐใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ
07:19
in your native language in one day,
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ๆฏๅ›ฝ่ชžใงไธ€ๆ—ฅใ‚’้Žใ”ใ™ใจใ€
07:21
and you just notice these things.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฎใ“ใจใซๆฐ—ไป˜ใใจใ—ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ€‚
07:22
Like you said, maybe you're speaking to your Italian friend,
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่จ€ใฃใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ ใ‚คใ‚ฟใƒชใ‚ขไบบใฎๅ‹ไบบใจ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚
07:26
you don't catch, you don't focus on every single word.
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ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ ใ€‚
07:29
- Exactly.
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- ใใฎ้€šใ‚Šใ€‚
07:30
- And sometimes you say to your friend,
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-ใใ—ใฆๆ™‚ใ€…ใ€ๅ‹้”ใซ
07:32
"Wait, what did you say?"
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ใ€Œๅพ…ใฃใฆใ€ไฝ•ใฆ่จ€ใฃใŸใฎ?ใ€ใจ่จ€ใ†ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
07:33
Or "Say that again."
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ใพใŸใฏใ€Œใ‚‚ใ†ไธ€ๅบฆ่จ€ใฃใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใ€‚ใ€
07:34
And it's totally natural and it's the same in English.
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ใใ‚Œใฏๅ…จใ่‡ช็„ถใชใ“ใจใงใ€ ่‹ฑ่ชžใงใ‚‚ๅŒใ˜ใงใ™ใ€‚
07:38
(Romina laughs)
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(Romina ็ฌ‘)
07:39
- Yeah, it's true. - Exactly!
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- ใˆใˆใ€ๆœฌๅฝ“ใงใ™ใ€‚ - ใใฎ้€šใ‚Š๏ผ
07:40
- But I think, like you said earlier,
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- ใงใ‚‚ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๅ‰ใซ่จ€ใฃใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€
07:43
it's like sometimes when it's your second language
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ใใ‚ŒใŒ ็ฌฌไบŒ่จ€่ชžใงใ‚ใ‚‹ใจใ€
07:47
you have higher expectations of yourself
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่‡ชๅˆ†่‡ช่บซใซๅฏพใ—ใฆใ‚ˆใ‚Š้ซ˜ใ„ๆœŸๅพ…ใ‚’ๆŠฑใ„ใŸใ‚Šใ€
07:50
or you're more self-conscious.
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ใ‚ˆใ‚Š่‡ชๆ„่ญ˜้Žๅ‰ฐใซใชใฃใŸใ‚Šใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™.
07:52
But, yeah.
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ใ—ใ‹ใ—ใ€ใˆใˆใ€‚
07:54
Okay, and then final question.
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ใงใฏใ€ๆœ€ๅพŒใฎ่ณชๅ•ใงใ™ใ€‚
07:55
Is there anything that you would want to share
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08:00
with a student who is, maybe,
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08:02
thinking about joining this program or they're hesitating or
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ใ“ใฎใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ ใธใฎๅ‚ๅŠ ใ‚’่€ƒใˆใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅญฆ็”Ÿใ‚„ใ€ ใŸใ‚ใ‚‰ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅญฆ็”Ÿใ€ใพใŸใฏ
08:06
they're just curious to know something about it?
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ๅ˜ใซ ไฝ•ใ‹็Ÿฅใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅญฆ็”Ÿใจๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ—ใŸใ„ใ“ใจใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‹?
08:10
- I think that it works to try.
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ใƒปใ‚„ใฃใฆใฟใ‚‹ใจๅŠนใใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
08:16
Just because I think that hesitation is normal.
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่บŠ่บ‡ใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใฏๆ™ฎ้€šใ ใจๆ€ใ†ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
08:20
- Yeah, oh, totally.
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- ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใพใฃใŸใใ€‚
08:21
- Don't everything can work for everybody.
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- ใ™ในใฆใฎไบบใŒใ†ใพใใ„ใใ‚ใ‘ใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
08:23
- Exactly.
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- ใใฎ้€šใ‚Šใ€‚
08:25
(Romina stammers)
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(Romina ใฉใ‚‚ใ‚‹)
08:30
- I hesitated as well in the beginning, before joining.
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- ็งใ‚‚ๆœ€ๅˆใฏ่บŠ่บ‡ใ—ใพใ—ใŸ ใ€‚
08:35
But I think that it's a new experience.
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ใงใ‚‚ๆ–ฐใ—ใ„็ตŒ้จ“ใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
08:40
It is a new modality of following an English course.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏใ€่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚ณใƒผใ‚นใซๅพ“ใ†ๆ–ฐใ—ใ„ใƒขใƒ€ใƒชใƒ†ใ‚ฃใงใ™ ใ€‚
08:46
It's something different.
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ใใ‚Œใฏไฝ•ใ‹้•ใ†ใ€‚
08:47
- Yeah, exactly.
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- ใˆใˆใ€ใพใ•ใซใ€‚
08:48
- A reason why to deserves to try.
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- ่ฉฆใ—ใฆใฟใ‚‹ไพกๅ€คใŒใ‚ใ‚‹็†็”ฑใ€‚
08:50
- Yeah, exactly.
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- ใˆใˆใ€ใพใ•ใซใ€‚
08:52
And you're right.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏๆญฃใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
08:53
Like you said, "Oh, I had hesitations."
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ่จ€ใฃใŸใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€ใ€Œใ‚ใ‚ใ€็งใฏใŸใ‚ใ‚‰ใ„ใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ใ€
08:55
I'm the same way.
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็งใ‚‚ๅŒใ˜ใงใ™ใ€‚
08:57
Before I buy anything, I'm comparing and I'm looking,
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ไฝ•ใ‹ใ‚’่ณผๅ…ฅใ™ใ‚‹ๅ‰ใซใ€ ๆฏ”่ผƒใ—ใฆๆŽขใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™
09:00
and I'm kinda like, I don't know if this works.
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ใŒใ€ ใ“ใ‚ŒใŒๆฉŸ่ƒฝใ™ใ‚‹ใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹ใฏใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
09:02
- It's something different but you can find everything...
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- ไฝ•ใ‹้•ใ†ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ ใŒใ€ใ™ในใฆใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใพใ™...
09:08
I mean, you have the online interactions,
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ใคใพใ‚Šใ€ใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณใงใฎใ‚„ใ‚Šๅ–ใ‚ŠใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™
09:12
but you also have the grammatical parts, if you want.
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ใŒใ€ ๅฟ…่ฆใซๅฟœใ˜ใฆๆ–‡ๆณ•็š„ใช้ƒจๅˆ†ใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
09:15
There are a lot of contents,
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09:18
in terms of grammatics, topics, et cetera.
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ๆ–‡ๆณ•ใ‚„่ฉฑ้กŒใชใฉใ€ๅ†…ๅฎนใฏ็››ใ‚Šใ ใใ•ใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€‚
09:21
So you have also the possibility to do a more normal course.
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ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ€ ใ‚ˆใ‚Š้€šๅธธใฎใ‚ณใƒผใ‚นใ‚’่กŒใ†ๅฏ่ƒฝๆ€งใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
09:28
(Romina stammers)
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(Romina stmmers) ใฉใ“ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ‚‚ใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณใƒฌใƒƒใ‚นใƒณใซๅ‚ๅŠ ใงใใ‚‹ใจใ„ใ†
09:30
To add the value of the fact that you can join
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ไพกๅ€คใ‚’ไป˜ๅŠ ใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚
09:32
the online lessons from wherever you are.
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ใ€‚
09:37
- Exactly.
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- ใใฎ้€šใ‚Šใ€‚ ใ‚ณใƒผใ‚นใ‹ใ‚‰ๅฟ…่ฆใชใ‚‚ใฎใ‚’
09:38
It's like you get what you need out of the course.
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ๅ–ๅพ—ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ ใ€‚
09:41
- All right, well thank you very much, Romina,
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- ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚Romina ใ•ใ‚“ ใ€
09:45
for sharing your story and your experience,
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ‚นใƒˆใƒผใƒชใƒผใจ็ตŒ้จ“ใ‚’ๅ…ฑๆœ‰ใ—ใฆใใ‚Œใฆใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€‚
09:47
and looking forward to seeing you in the next edition.
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ๆฌกใฎ็‰ˆใงใŠไผšใ„ใงใใ‚‹ใฎใ‚’ๆฅฝใ—ใฟใซใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
09:50
- Okay, okay. - In the future.
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- ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ - ๅฐ†ๆฅใ€‚
09:51
- Yeah, thanks. - Bye, Christina.
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- ใใ†ใ€ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€‚ - ใ•ใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒŠใ€‚
09:54
- Bye. - Thanks, you too.
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- ใ•ใ‚ˆใชใ‚‰ใ€‚ - ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
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