How Eva became more confident with Successful Small Talk (in English AND her native language)

3,851 views ใƒป 2019-06-20

Business English with Christina


ไธ‹ใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžๅญ—ๅน•ใ‚’ใƒ€ใƒ–ใƒซใ‚ฏใƒชใƒƒใ‚ฏใ™ใ‚‹ใจๅ‹•็”ปใ‚’ๅ†็”Ÿใงใใพใ™ใ€‚ ็ฟป่จณใ•ใ‚ŒใŸๅญ—ๅน•ใฏๆฉŸๆขฐ็ฟป่จณใงใ™ใ€‚

00:01
- Okay, hello everybody.
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- ใฏใ„ใ€็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€‚
00:03
This is Christina from Speak English with Christina,
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Speak English with Christina ใฎ Christina ใงใ™ใ€‚
00:06
and today I have the great privilege to be with Eva
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ไปŠๆ—ฅใ€ใƒใ‚งใ‚ณๅ…ฑๅ’Œๅ›ฝใซใ„ใ‚‹ Eva ใจไธ€็ท’ใซใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใงใใฆใจใฆใ‚‚ๅ…‰ๆ „ใงใ™
00:11
who is in the Czech Republic
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00:14
who just recently finished
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up the Successful Small Talk Booster program.
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00:19
Eva thanks a lot for taking
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ใ‚จใƒดใ‚กใ€
00:22
some time to speak with me today.
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ไปŠๆ—ฅใฏ็งใจ่ฉฑใ™ๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’ๅ‰ฒใ„ใฆใใ‚Œใฆใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€‚
00:25
Really glad to see you again
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ใพใŸใŠไผšใ„ใงใใฆๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ†ใ‚Œใ—ใ„ใงใ™
00:26
and yeah, why don't you just introduce yourself
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00:31
to everyone watching the video.
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ใƒ“ใƒ‡ใ‚ชใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆใ„ใ‚‹็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใซ่‡ชๅทฑ็ดนไป‹ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใฟใพใ›ใ‚“ใ‹ใ€‚
00:33
- Hello, I'm Eva from Czech Republic
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- ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€็งใฏใƒใ‚งใ‚ณๅ…ฑๅ’Œๅ›ฝใฎ Eva ใงใ™ใ€‚
00:37
and I joined the program
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ใ“ใฎใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ ใซๅ‚ๅŠ ใ—ใŸใฎใฏใ€
00:40
because first of all, I wanted
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ใพใš็ฌฌไธ€ใซใ€ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒžใ‚น ใƒ—ใƒฌใ‚ผใƒณใƒˆใจใ—ใฆ
00:43
to give myself a little company gift,
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ไผš็คพใ‹ใ‚‰ใฎใ•ใ•ใ‚„ใ‹ใช่ดˆใ‚Š็‰ฉใ‚’่‡ชๅˆ†ใซ่ดˆใ‚ŠใŸใ‹ใฃใŸใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™
00:47
as a Christmas gift.
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00:49
(laughs)
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00:49
- Yeah, which is, yeah, you know, lifelong learning.
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- ใใ†ใงใ™ใญใ€ ็”Ÿๆถฏๅญฆ็ฟ’ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
00:51
That's fantastic.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ€‚
00:52
- Yeah.
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- ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
00:53
- Yeah.
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- ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
00:54
- And yes, and the reason was
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- ใฏใ„ใ€ใใฎ็†็”ฑใฏใ€
00:58
that a small talk was always my problem.
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ไธ–้–“่ฉฑใŒใ„ใคใ‚‚็งใฎๅ•้กŒใ ใฃใŸใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
01:02
- Um.
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- ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
01:03
- I'm quite shy.
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- ็งใฏใจใฆใ‚‚ๆฅใšใ‹ใ—ใŒใ‚Šๅฑ‹ใงใ™ใ€‚
01:04
- Yeah.
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01:04
- In my native language, it is a problem for me.
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- ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
- ็งใฎๆฏๅ›ฝ่ชžใงใฏใ€ ใใ‚Œใฏ็งใซใจใฃใฆๅ•้กŒใงใ™ใ€‚
01:08
- Um.
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- ใ†ใƒผใ‚“ใ€‚
01:10
- And I can say that this program helped me,
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- ใ“ใฎใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ ใฏใ€็ง
01:14
not only improve my English skills,
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ใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžๅŠ›ใ ใ‘ใงใชใใ€
01:17
but really all the small talk skills.
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ไธ–้–“่ฉฑใฎใ™ในใฆใฎใ‚นใ‚ญใƒซใฎๅ‘ไธŠใซใ‚‚ๅฝน็ซ‹ใฃใŸใจ่จ€ใˆใพใ™ใ€‚
01:20
So I'm better now even in my native language,
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ใใฎใŸใ‚ใ€ ๆฏๅ›ฝ่ชžใงใ‚ใ‚‹
01:24
which is Czech.
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ใƒใ‚งใ‚ณ่ชžใ‚‚ไธŠๆ‰‹ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
01:25
And for example, if we have a family gathering,
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ใŸใจใˆใฐใ€ ๅฎถๆ—ใฎ้›†ใพใ‚ŠใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ๅ ดๅˆใ€
01:29
my husband has a big family.
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ๅคซใฏๅคงๅฎถๆ—ใงใ™ใ€‚
01:32
- Ah-ha.
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- ใ‚ใฏใฏใ€‚
01:33
- I usually had problems because I,
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-็งใฏใ€
01:37
with some people, I haven't met for some time.
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ไฝ•ไบบใ‹ใฎไบบใ€…ใจ ใ—ใฐใ‚‰ใไผšใฃใฆใ„ใชใ„ใฎใงใ€้€šๅธธๅ•้กŒใ‚’ๆŠฑใˆใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
01:41
- Yeah.
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- ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
01:42
- And I don't remember what I know,
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-ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใŒ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ€็ŸฅใฃใฆใŠใในใใ“ใจใ‚’่ฆšใˆใฆใ„ใพใ›ใ‚“
01:45
what I should know.
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01:46
- Um, yes.
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-ใˆใˆใจใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใ€‚
01:48
- Then that no problem.
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01:49
So it helped me a lot, even in my language.
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€็งใฎ่จ€่ชžใงใ•ใˆใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ็งใ‚’ๅคงใ„ใซๅŠฉใ‘ใพใ—ใŸ .
01:54
- Even for your native language.
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- ๆฏๅ›ฝ่ชžใงใ‚‚ใ€‚
01:55
Yeah, because it's like, you know,
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ใˆใˆใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใŒ็Ÿฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€
01:58
it's successful small talk.
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ใใ‚ŒใฏๆˆๅŠŸใ—ใŸไธ–้–“่ฉฑใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใงใ™ใ€‚
02:00
And so of course, you've got the vocabulary,
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ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€
02:02
and the cultural aspects in English,
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่‹ฑ่ชžใซใฏ่ชžๅฝ™ใ‚„ๆ–‡ๅŒ–็š„ๅด้ขใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใŒใ€
02:07
but there's also like conversation strategies
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ไผš่ฉฑๆˆฆ็•ฅ
02:10
and techniques, and you know,
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ใ‚„ใƒ†ใ‚ฏใƒ‹ใƒƒใ‚ฏใชใฉใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใ€
02:11
what could you say in this situation.
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ใ“ใฎ็Šถๆณใงไฝ•ใ‚’่จ€ใ†ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹ใ€‚
02:14
So no, I'm really happy to hear
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ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒ
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that it helped you for your English
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžใ ใ‘ใงใชใใ€
02:18
but also for your just small talk skills.
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ไธ–้–“่ฉฑใฎใ‚นใ‚ญใƒซใซใ‚‚ๅฝน็ซ‹ใฃใŸใจ่žใ„ใฆๆœฌๅฝ“ใซใ†ใ‚Œใ—ใ„ใงใ™.
02:21
- Yeah.
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- ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
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- You know, your own language as well.
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- ใปใ‚‰ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸ่‡ช่บซใฎ่จ€่ชžใ‚‚ใ€‚
02:24
So tell me a little bit about, you know,
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ใงใฏใ€
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maybe you could tell us a little bit
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02:28
about the experience of doing the program.
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02:31
Like, just what was it like for you?
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02:35
- Um-hum.
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02:36
I was just wondering how the form would be.
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ใƒ•ใ‚ฉใƒผใƒ ใŒใฉใ†ใชใ‚‹ใ‹ๆฐ—ใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
02:40
I had no idea before.
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ไปฅๅ‰ใฏ็Ÿฅใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
02:43
- Yeah.
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02:44
- I've never tried an Internet course before
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- ไปŠใพใงใ‚คใƒณใ‚ฟใƒผใƒใƒƒใƒˆใ‚ณใƒผใ‚นใ‚’่ฉฆใ—ใŸใ“ใจใŒใชใใ€
02:49
and I was a little bit afraid.
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ๅฐ‘ใ—ๆ€–ใ‹ใฃใŸใงใ™ใ€‚
02:53
- Sure.
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- ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€‚
02:54
- If it could be good.
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- ่‰ฏใ‹ใฃใŸใ‚‰ใ€‚
02:55
- Yeah.
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- ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚
02:56
- And effective.
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02:57
And I was very positively surprised.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใฏ้žๅธธใซๅ‰ๅ‘ใใซ้ฉšใใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
03:01
- Oh, great.
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- ใใ‚Œใฏใ„ใ„ใ€‚
03:02
- It brought me a lot experience,
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03:04
a lot, it was really not something automatic,
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03:10
it was really like a real conversation
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03:14
with the teacher, with other people.
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ๆ•™ๅธซใ‚„ไป–ใฎไบบใ€…ใจใฎๅฎŸ้š›ใฎไผš่ฉฑใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใงใ—ใŸใ€‚
03:15
- Um.
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03:17
- And it was good the combination
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03:19
to talking to other people.
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03:22
When I have to somehow cope with a situation.
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็Šถๆณใซใฉใ†ใซใ‹ๅฏพๅ‡ฆใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใจใใ€‚
03:27
- Um.
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03:28
- Without help.
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03:30
And after, the teacher helps me.
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03:33
- Right.
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- ๅณใ€‚
03:34
It is a good combination, because,
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for example, I, in the past
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ใŸใจใˆใฐใ€็งใฏ้ŽๅŽปใซ
03:39
I had quite a good American teacher.
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้žๅธธใซๅ„ชใ‚ŒใŸใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซไบบใฎๆ•™ๅธซใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใŸใฎใงใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ่‰ฏใ„็ต„ใฟๅˆใ‚ใ›ใงใ™ใ€‚
03:42
- Um-hmm.
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03:43
- And video lessons.
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03:44
It was quite good.
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ใจใฆใ‚‚่‰ฏใ‹ใฃใŸใงใ™ใ€‚
03:47
I could say the teacher taught me a lot of things.
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ๅ…ˆ็”Ÿใฏ ็งใซๅคšใใฎใ“ใจใ‚’ๆ•™ใˆใฆใใ‚ŒใŸใจ่จ€ใˆใพใ™ใ€‚
03:51
- Yeah.
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03:51
- But she corrected me all the time.
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03:55
And finally, I had to quit because
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03:58
I couldn't make any progress anymore.
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04:01
- Um, um-hmm.
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04:03
- So this combination is very good.
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04:07
- Yeah, yeah, it's, you know, and I think
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04:09
that a lot of times, you know, students,
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04:11
they always, you know, they ask,
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04:13
they're like is the teacher gonna correct me?
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04:15
Is the teacher always gonna listen to me
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04:17
and be there to correct me.
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04:19
And then a lot of my, a lot of the programs
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04:22
that I do like the Fluency Club
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04:23
or in this program also, yeah,
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04:27
we try to have that mix of giving the students,
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04:31
you know, enough correction to help them
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04:34
to improve the quality of their English,
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04:37
but also not be like so correcting all the time
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04:42
so that they can't, like you said,
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04:44
get used to you know, surviving in the situation
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04:48
and expressing their ideas when
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04:49
they don't have the teacher who's there
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04:51
to tell them because like in the real world
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04:53
you don't always have a teacher there
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04:55
to correct your mistakes and you have to,
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04:57
you know, communicate with the language
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05:00
and the abilities that you've got.
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05:02
So yeah it's, yeah it's good to have that mix,
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05:05
I think, of you know, letting you try it on your own
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05:07
but also being there to help when necessary, yeah.
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05:11
- Exactly.
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05:12
- Yeah, it's true.
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05:13
Yeah, so maybe, you know, you said that you were shy
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05:17
you know, making small talk
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05:19
and you didn't always know like what to say.
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05:22
So what's the difference between
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05:24
before you joined the program and like now today.
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05:28
What's changed?
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05:29
- Um-hmm.
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05:31
During the first lesson, during the conversation,
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05:34
I was sweating all the time.
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05:36
(laughs)
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05:38
- Scary.
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05:40
- And now it is really better.
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05:43
I realize that I'm not the only person
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05:46
who has problems with small talk.
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05:48
- Um.
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05:49
- And also with language, with comprehension.
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05:53
There is nothing, it is not bad when I ask again,
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even twice, that I say that I didn't understand.
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06:03
- Yes.
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06:04
It is not a disaster.
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06:07
- Exactly, yeah.
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06:08
It's part of communication, yeah.
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06:10
- Yes, and also I realize
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06:15
that other people have problems, too.
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06:17
I could see how they improve.
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06:21
I felt that I'm improving too.
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06:23
- Um.
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06:24
- It was quite pleasant, and also I realized
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06:29
that it is not bad to prepare a little bit
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06:32
for a difficult situation.
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06:34
Before I thought that small talk has to be always
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06:39
only improvisation, and that's not true.
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06:43
From you, I got a very useful skeleton.
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06:46
- Um
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06:47
- The main, the basic points,
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06:49
and I can build my improvisation on it.
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06:53
- Yeah.
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06:54
- But I didn't have the skeleton before.
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06:57
- Ah, yes.
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06:58
It's just like you're going in and doing whatever.
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07:01
But, yeah, and it's true that, you know,
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07:05
there's a difference between preparing
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07:07
so much that you memorize something
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07:09
and then just going in, you know,
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07:12
improvising totally, but there's a nice middle ground,
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07:16
let's say, of having some techniques
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07:19
and having some ideas in your head
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07:20
but then being able to be very natural
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07:23
but also kind of structured and coherent
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07:27
because you've prepared, yeah, like you said,
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07:29
a little bit and that doesn't mean
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07:32
that, you know, I think sometimes we think,
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07:35
oh, if I want to be fluent in English
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07:37
I have to be able to do everything
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07:40
with zero preparation and do it very well.
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07:43
And in fact, no, often good communicators are the people
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07:46
who have, like you said, these skeletons
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07:49
or these structures or frameworks
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07:51
in their head, and they can use them
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07:53
to, you know, make nice conversations
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07:56
because they've got those techniques
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07:58
and that's part of the, yeah,
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08:00
part of being a good communicator, I would say, yeah.
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08:03
- Yes.
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08:04
- Right, great.
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08:06
So I guess maybe the final question would be,
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08:09
you know, if someone's thinking
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08:11
about the program and they're looking at it
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08:14
and they're kind of hesitating,
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08:17
you know, what would you say to that person?
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08:21
- The person who is indecisive?
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08:25
- Yeah, exactly, yeah.
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08:27
- Um hmm.
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08:28
- If they're trying to decide, oh,
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08:29
I don't know if this is good,
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08:31
if this is me, does this work?
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08:34
- Um-hmm, um-hmm.
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08:36
Ah, I don't know exactly
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08:37
because maybe it is very individual.
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08:40
- Um.
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08:41
- But I was, yes, I was suspicious
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08:48
about Internet programs, that's true.
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08:50
- Yeah.
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08:51
- But after I saw some of your free videos--
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08:55
- Um.
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08:56
- I was quite sure that I like your approach
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08:59
and that was the reason why I decided
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09:03
to try your, exactly your program.
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09:06
- Um-hmm.
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09:07
- Because, and I don't know if it is my individual thing
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09:11
or not, but I think that you have the gift
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09:16
to choose the important things.
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09:20
- Um.
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09:22
- That can save me, in a similar situation.
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09:27
- Okay.
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09:28
- You don't go too much into detail
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09:30
so it is not too difficult and it is still very useful.
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09:36
- Um.
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09:37
- And for somebody who is not sure,
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09:39
I don't know, maybe there is something,
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09:41
some trial possibility or not, I don't know.
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09:45
- Yeah.
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09:46
- I would take a minute just to try
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09:49
some of your videos first.
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09:51
- Um-hmm.
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09:52
- And it was very,
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09:58
I realize that I remember things
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10:02
from your videos very well.
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10:03
- Um.
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10:04
- And so I told to myself, yes, that's the thing
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10:07
because I cannot so much time to study.
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10:12
- Right.
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10:13
- But I want to have something what I can really use.
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10:17
- Yeah, something that you know,
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10:18
you watch that you can learn it,
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10:20
you can practice it, and it's,
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10:22
and then you can use it in your real life.
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10:24
Yeah, not something that's so long and complicated
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10:28
and maybe so in detail that it's too much detail,
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10:32
but just what you need to do well, yeah.
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10:35
- Yes.
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10:36
And also that really your tips
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10:39
and your study materials are very closer to home.
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10:45
- Um.
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10:46
- Very interesting, even amusing for me.
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10:49
It was, it made me a lot of fun to prepare for the lessons.
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10:54
- Oh, great.
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10:55
- I didn't have so much time
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10:56
but the tips were simply amusing
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11:00
so I didn't force myself to study.
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11:04
- Okay, oh it's nice, oh that's nice, yeah.
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11:06
- So I found a new zest for learning.
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11:10
- Okay, well I'm very honored to, yeah,
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11:12
to have contributed, because it's true that
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11:15
when it's fun and when we like it,
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11:17
like we do it because we enjoy it,
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11:19
and not because we have to do it, you know.
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11:21
- Yeah.
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11:22
- Which is sometimes the case, I think,
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11:23
in school people had to do English
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11:26
and they didn't enjoy it so much.
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11:28
- Yeah.
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11:28
- Great, great.
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11:30
Okay, well thank you very much Eva for sharing
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11:33
your experience, and like I said,
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11:35
it was really great having you in the group.
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11:38
Yeah, and I look forward maybe to seeing
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11:41
you maybe in a future group, sure.
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11:43
- Yes, thank you,
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11:44
Thank you very much.
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11:45
I'm really very happy that I joined your program
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11:50
and I'm sure now I'm in a Fluency Club
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11:53
and I think I will try another program
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11:57
in the future after sometime.
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12:00
- Okay, all right, thanks, Eva.
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