"I feel less stressed, and I feel I truly speak English" : Sabine's Successful Small Talk story

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Business English with Christina


ไธ‹ใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžๅญ—ๅน•ใ‚’ใƒ€ใƒ–ใƒซใ‚ฏใƒชใƒƒใ‚ฏใ™ใ‚‹ใจๅ‹•็”ปใ‚’ๅ†็”Ÿใงใใพใ™ใ€‚ ็ฟป่จณใ•ใ‚ŒใŸๅญ—ๅน•ใฏๆฉŸๆขฐ็ฟป่จณใงใ™ใ€‚

00:01
- Okay so,
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- ใฏใ„ใ€
00:02
hello everyone.
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็š†ใ•ใ‚“ใ€ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€‚
00:03
This is Christina, from Speaking English With Christina
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ใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒŠใจ ่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ใฎใ‚ฏใƒชใ‚นใƒ†ใ‚ฃใƒผใƒŠใงใ™ใ€‚
00:06
and I'm here with Sabine today.
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ไปŠๆ—ฅใฏใ‚ตใƒ“ใƒผใƒŒใจไธ€็ท’ใซใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
00:09
Sabine is an artist,
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Sabine ใฏใ‚ขใƒผใƒ†ใ‚ฃใ‚นใƒˆใงใ€
00:10
she is living in France
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ใƒ•ใƒฉใƒณใ‚นใซไฝใ‚“ใงใ„ใฆใ€
00:13
and she recently went through the
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ๆœ€่ฟ‘ใ€
00:15
Successful Small Talk programs.
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Successful Small Talk ใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ ใซๅ‚ๅŠ ใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
00:17
Sabine, I just want to say, first of all,
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ใ‚ตใƒ“ใƒผใƒใ€ใพใš่จ€ใ„ใŸใ„ใฎใฏใ€
00:18
thank you for doing the program with us.
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็งใŸใกใจไธ€็ท’ใซใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ ใ‚’ใ‚„ใฃใฆใใ‚Œใฆใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†.
00:22
And we're gonna talk a little bit about your experience.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใŸใกใฏ ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ็ตŒ้จ“ใซใคใ„ใฆๅฐ‘ใ—่ฉฑใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
00:27
So, maybe the first question is
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ใงใฏใ€ๆœ€ๅˆใฎ่ณชๅ•ใฏใ€
00:29
why did you decide to join
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ใชใœใ€
00:31
the Successful Small Talk program?
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Successful Small Talk ใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ ใซๅ‚ๅŠ ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใ—ใŸใฎใงใ™ใ‹?
00:33
- I decided to,
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- ๅคšใใฎๅ›ฝใซใ‚ฏใƒฉใ‚คใ‚ขใƒณใƒˆใŒใ„ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใ€
00:36
to join us,
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็งใฏ
00:37
to join your program
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ ใซๅ‚ๅŠ ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใ—ใพใ—ใŸ
00:39
because I have
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00:41
a client
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00:42
in many countries.
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00:46
The English, the language, English is obviously...
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่‹ฑ่ชžใ€่จ€่ชžใ€ ่‹ฑ่ชžใฏๆ˜Žใ‚‰ใ‹ใซ...
00:51
- Like the main language.
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- ไธป่ฆ่จ€่ชžใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซใ€‚
00:53
- Yes.
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- ใฏใ„ใ€‚ ไป–ใฎ่จ€่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ•ใชใ„ไป–ใฎไบบใจ
00:54
So very useful to speak English with
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่‹ฑ่ชžใ‚’่ฉฑใ™ใฎใซ้žๅธธใซไพฟๅˆฉใงใ™
00:56
other people who don't
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00:58
speak
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01:01
another language.
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01:03
- Yeah.
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01:03
Yeah exactly, exactly.
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ใˆใˆใ€ใพใ•ใซใ€ใพใ•ใซใ€‚
01:05
And so, okay, so you had, sort of, a business
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01:09
motivation for joining the program.
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01:11
Which I think a lot of people who
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01:13
join, it is for like business
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ๅ‚ๅŠ ใ™ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใŒใ€ใใ‚Œใฏใƒ“ใ‚ธใƒใ‚นใฎ
01:16
context and things like that.
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01:19
So, you know, when you're looking at a program
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ใงใ™ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€
01:22
online or
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ใ‚ชใƒณใƒฉใ‚คใƒณใพใŸใฏ
01:24
in real life,
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ๅฎŸ้š›ใฎ็”Ÿๆดปใงใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจใ€ใ†ใƒผใ‚“
01:25
you know sometimes you're like, hmm,
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01:27
I don't know, maybe,
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01:31
I have to think about it,
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ใใ‚Œใซใคใ„ใฆ่€ƒใˆใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ€‚
01:32
so like before you joined the program,
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ใƒ—ใƒญใ‚ฐใƒฉใƒ ใซใคใ„ใฆใ€
01:35
what sort of questions
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or what sort of hesitations did you have?
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01:41
- Basically,
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- ๅŸบๆœฌ็š„ใซใ€
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I was afraid
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01:45
to speak with other people
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ไบบใจ่ฉฑใ™ใฎใŒๆ€–ใ‹ใฃใŸ
01:46
- Yeah. - because
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- ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚ -
01:48
I thought
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I didn't speak very well in English,
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่‹ฑ่ชžใŒไธ‹ๆ‰‹ใ ใจๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใŸใฎใงใ€
01:51
so
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I made mistakes
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and it's difficult to
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speak
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01:59
fluently.
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ๆตๆšขใซ่ฉฑใ™ใฎใŒ้›ฃใ—ใใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
02:00
And smoothly in my profession.
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ใใ—ใฆใ€็งใฎ่ทๆฅญใงใฏใ‚นใƒ ใƒผใ‚บใซใ€‚
02:01
- Yeah, right.
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Yeah, that's right
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ใˆใˆใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใ€‚
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and I remember before,
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before you started, we actually had a talk.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใŒๅง‹ใ‚ใ‚‹ๅ‰ใซใ€ ๅฎŸ้š›ใซ่ฉฑใ‚’ใ—ใŸใ“ใจใ‚’่ฆšใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
02:07
And you were like,
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02:08
I don't know if I can do this, and
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็งใŒใ“ใ‚Œใ‚’่กŒใ†ใ“ใจใŒใงใใ‚‹ใ‹ใฉใ†ใ‹ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ€ใใ—ใฆ
02:10
do I have the right level
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02:12
and you know, I do.
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02:13
Yeah. I remember that conversation exactly.
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02:16
And I think a lot of people have that feeling.
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ใจใ€ๅคšใใฎ ๆ–นใŒๆ„Ÿใ˜ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
02:18
Like,
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02:19
I don't know.
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02:20
I don't want to be the worst person in the group.
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02:21
You know, that kind of feeling.
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02:23
- Yes. - So, yes.
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02:24
It's a very normal hesitation.
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02:26
Yeah.
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02:27
So, from a student's perspective, I guess.
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02:31
How would you,
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describe the course.
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่ชฌๆ˜Žใ—ใพใ™ใ‹ใ€‚
02:35
You know maybe, to someone's who's wondering like
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02:36
what is this like?
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02:39
- I think it's quite,
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-
02:41
the course is, it's beautiful for me.
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02:43
it's a beautiful boost of confidence,
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ใใ‚Œใฏ่‡ชไฟกใฎ็พŽใ—ใ„ๅพŒๆŠผใ—ใงใ‚ใ‚Šใ€
02:46
and - oh okay.
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ใใ—ใฆ - ใ‚ชใƒผใ‚ฑใƒผใ€‚
02:47
- It help me really to increase my
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- ่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžๅŠ›ใ‚’ๅ‘ไธŠใ•ใ›ใ€
02:50
English and to feel
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02:53
confident with other
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ไป–ใฎ
02:56
native English speaker.
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02:59
- Right exactly, cause yeah,
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03:00
just before we started this video
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03:02
you were telling me that you had
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03:05
an event with a lot of Americans.
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ใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใฎใ‚ขใƒกใƒชใ‚ซไบบใŒๅ‚ๅŠ ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚คใƒ™ใƒณใƒˆใ‚’้–‹ๅ‚ฌใ—ใŸใจ็งใซ่ฉฑใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
03:06
- Yes. And plus,
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- ใฏใ„ใ€‚ ใใ‚ŒใซๅŠ ใˆใฆใ€
03:10
they are very,
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ใใ‚Œใ‚‰ใฏ้žๅธธใซใ€
03:12
your courses
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03:14
they are very well structure
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03:16
and very well done.
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้žๅธธใซใ‚ˆใใงใใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
03:18
So,
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03:19
it's always,
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03:20
I continue to learn English.
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03:22
And it's always neat to
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ใใ—ใฆใ€
03:25
have your courses
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ‚ณใƒผใ‚นใ‚’
03:27
as a reference.
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03:28
- Okay. All right.
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- ใ‚ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚ ใ‚ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
03:29
Well thank you.
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ๆœ‰้›ฃใ†ๅพกๅบงใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
03:30
- Yes.
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- ใฏใ„ใ€‚
03:31
- Yeah. Yeah us. - Always.
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03:31
- Yeah, it's you know,
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-ใˆใˆใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใ€
03:32
I always try to,
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03:35
like especially for the on-line courses
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03:37
if somebody's working on the on-line course
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03:41
like, alone for example,
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03:44
it has to be easy to follow.
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03:46
It has to be easy to,
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03:48
like understand how to do the exercise.
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03:52
Because I think like,
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03:53
like already trying to learn another language
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03:55
it's frustrating sometimes,
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03:57
and if you're frustrated because you can't figure out
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04:01
how to do the course,
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04:02
like that's just no good.
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04:04
- Yes.
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04:04
- So yeah, no, I'm glad that you found
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04:07
that it was very structured.
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04:08
Yeah, no, that's great.
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04:09
- And the,
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04:11
the small talk
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04:12
pushes me
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04:14
to work regularly,
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04:16
because I know,
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04:20
this day I meet
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04:23
all students.
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04:24
- Yeah.
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04:25
- I need to prepare the courses
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04:28
in advance if I want to exchange with
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04:32
other people.
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04:33
- Yes. It kind of puts a little pressure on you.
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04:35
Yeah.
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04:36
In a good way.
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04:37
Right.
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04:38
- It's a good pressure.
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04:40
I think. - Yeah.
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04:41
- It's a booster. Yes.
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04:42
Good, good.
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04:43
So, how would you, you know
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04:45
concretely, how did the course help you
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04:49
with your, I guess your conversations skills
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04:52
or your English level.
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04:53
You mentioned confidence.
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04:55
Like how did it, how did it help you concretely?
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05:00
- Because in your courses,
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05:03
the vocabulary, vocabulary.
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05:06
And they are many tools,
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05:08
it's many tools to
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05:11
to manage a conversation with
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with other people.
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05:15
So it helps,
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05:16
it helps me
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็งใ‚’ๅคงใ„ใซๅŠฉใ‘ใพใ™
05:18
a lot.
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05:20
Vocabulary
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05:22
strategy.
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05:24
To manage conversation.
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05:25
So, all is,
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05:27
all are, or is? I think (giggling)
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05:29
- Is. That's right.
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05:30
Yeah, that's right.
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05:31
Yeah. We would say maybe everything is, yeah.
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05:34
- Everything is a
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05:36
very good tools
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05:39
to speak.
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05:41
In your conversation.
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05:42
- Yeah. Got it yeah.
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05:43
Cause it's true.
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05:44
You know, I think a lot of times people,
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05:47
when they think of, you know,
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05:49
conversation in English,
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05:50
their first reflex is to say,
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05:52
I don't have the vocabulary.
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05:55
But, often, you know like to be able to do a good
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05:58
conversation in English,
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06:00
it's a mix of
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06:02
vocabulary surely,
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06:04
but also like, social skills,
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06:06
conversation skills,
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06:09
knowing how, like you said, how to
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06:12
manage the conversation,
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06:14
it's a lot,
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06:16
it's not just vocabulary.
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06:17
- Yes it's a package.
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-ใฏใ„ใ€ใƒ‘ใƒƒใ‚ฑใƒผใ‚ธใงใ™ใ€‚
06:19
A package in your courses.
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06:21
- Yeah.
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06:22
Okay yeah that's a good word.
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06:23
It is.
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06:24
It's a package, yeah of social skills yeah.
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06:28
- It develops
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06:30
to
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skills,
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06:32
to speak
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English
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06:34
too.
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06:35
- Yeah, yeah, it's right, yeah.
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06:36
You can take the techniques,
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06:37
and transpose them to your native language also.
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06:40
- Yeah it's very useful to speak
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-ใˆใˆใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ‚ณใƒผใ‚นใ‚’่ฉฑใ—ใ€ๅญฆใถใ“ใจใฏ้žๅธธใซไพฟๅˆฉใงใ™
06:43
and to learn your,
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06:45
your courses.
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06:46
- Okay. No, well thank you.
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- ใ‚ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚ ใ„ใ„ใˆใ€ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
06:47
Thanks. Yeah.
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06:48
So, I guess the last question is
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ๆœ€ๅพŒใฎ่ณชๅ•ใฏใ€
06:50
you know, what has changed for you,
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06:53
from before you did the program,
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06:56
and now that you have finished the program.
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07:04
- I feel
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07:05
less nervous.
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็ทŠๅผตใŒๆธ›ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
07:08
I feel
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07:10
less stress, or
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07:12
I feel
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I can speak.
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07:16
- Okay. - I speak
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07:17
I can speak naturally
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07:19
with people
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07:20
and I can express myself.
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07:23
- Right. - Not
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07:25
completely, not completely, but
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07:27
I can express some ideas.
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07:29
- Right, yeah.
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07:30
And I think a lot of,
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07:33
for a lot of people,
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07:34
it's just having that confidence.
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07:36
And to say like, I can do this.
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07:39
And I think, its even more like you said,
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07:41
I'm like oh, it's not perfect
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07:44
which is, which is fine in a lot of cases,
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07:46
but also being able to say I know
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07:48
that I'm not always gonna have the right word.
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07:51
- Yes. - I know
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07:52
I'm gonna make some mistakes,
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but I can do it anyway.
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07:55
- Yes.
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- And that's just, even that is just a big step,
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- ใใ—ใฆใ€ใใ‚ŒใฏใŸใ  ใฎๅคงใใชไธ€ๆญฉใงใ™.
07:58
I think for a lot of people, so.
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08:00
- And it
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08:01
reassure me,
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08:03
a lot.
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08:04
- Oh, good good good, yeah.
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08:05
- Yes. Yeah.
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08:06
- Because you saw that you were, you could do it.
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08:08
- Yes. - Very good.
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- ใฏใ„ใ€‚ - ใจใฆใ‚‚่‰ฏใ„ใ€‚
08:09
- And when I speak
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08:11
and learn with other students
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08:14
I think we are all in the same boat.
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08:18
- Exactly.
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08:19
Yeah totally, yeah.
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08:19
And you see that everyone's got the same problems
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ใใ—ใฆใ€่ชฐใ‚‚ใŒใ‚ใชใŸใจ ๅŒใ˜ๅ•้กŒใ‚’ๆŠฑใˆใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ™
08:22
that you have and you're not alone, in fact, yeah.
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08:24
- Yeah. I'm not alone, and it's important to feel not alone.
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- ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚ ็งใฏไธ€ไบบใ˜ใ‚ƒใชใ„ใ€ไธ€ ไบบใ˜ใ‚ƒใชใ„ใจๆ„Ÿใ˜ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒๅคงไบ‹ใ€‚
08:28
- Yeah. Exactly.
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- ใ†ใ‚“ใ€‚ ใใฎ้€šใ‚Šใ€‚
08:29
Because I think that sometimes we ask like
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08:31
you know,
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08:32
it's only me.
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ใใ‚Œใฏ็งใ ใ‘ใงใ™.
08:33
Only I have this problem because I'm,
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08:35
you know, - Yes.
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08:37
- You know.
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08:37
It's yeah, and in fact,
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ใใ†ใงใ™ใ€ๅฎŸ้š›ใ€
08:38
it's a lot students have the same problems.
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08:40
So,
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08:41
right?
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08:43
Is there anything else you want to add.
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08:45
- Thanks
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08:47
of your
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ใ‚ใชใŸใฎ
08:49
courses.
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ใ‚ณใƒผใ‚นใซๆ„Ÿ่ฌใ—ใพใ™ใ€‚
08:51
And
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08:51
when I was,
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ใใ—ใฆใ€
็งใŒใ„ใŸใจใใ€
08:52
with American people
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08:55
I could recognize
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08:58
a lot of sentences.
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09:00
- Oh, okay good.
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-ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ„ใ„ใ‚ˆใ€‚
09:01
- From your, your courses.
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- ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ‚ณใƒผใ‚นใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€‚
09:02
- Things that you learned, that you picked up from,
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- ใ‚ณใƒผใ‚นใ‹ใ‚‰ๅญฆใ‚“ใ ใ“ใจใ€ ๅญฆใ‚“ใ ใ“ใจ
09:05
from the course.
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09:06
- Yes. Yes.
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09:07
- Awesome, very good.
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09:07
Yeah, so it's like real world, stuff.
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-็ด ๆ™ดใ‚‰ใ—ใ„ใ€ใจใฆใ‚‚่‰ฏใ„ใ€‚
ใˆใˆใ€ใใ‚Œใฏ็พๅฎŸใฎไธ–็•Œใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใชใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™ใ€‚
09:10
- Yes. Right.
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- ใฏใ„ใ€‚ ๅณใ€‚
09:11
Okay, very good.
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09:13
Well Sabine, I just want to say
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ใ‚ตใƒ“ใƒผใƒใ€
09:14
thank you, so very much
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09:15
for sharing your experience,
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09:18
with us.
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09:19
And I'm really happy also,
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ใใ—ใฆใ€
09:21
like I'm very happy that you've made this progress.
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09:24
Cause I remember like how kind of afraid
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09:26
and shy you were at the beginning
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09:27
and there's definitely a big change in that,
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09:30
so good for you.
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ใ‚ใชใŸใซใจใฃใฆใจใฆใ‚‚่‰ฏใ„ใ“ใจใงใ™ใ€‚
09:31
- I think you, you give me
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-ใ‚ใชใŸใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใฏ็งใซ่ดˆใ‚Š็‰ฉใ‚’ใใ‚Œใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
09:34
a gift.
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09:35
- Oh,
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09:36
oh wow.
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09:36
Oh well thank you.
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ใ†ใ‚ใƒผใ€‚
ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€‚
09:37
That, I'm really touched by that.
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ใ‚ใ‚Œใ€ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๆ„Ÿๅ‹•ใงใ™ใ€‚
09:39
(women laughing)
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๏ผˆๅฅณๆ€ง ็ฌ‘๏ผ‰
09:40
Thank you.
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ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
09:41
Thank you so much.
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ใฉใ†ใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚ŠใŒใจใ†ใ€‚ ใŠ
09:42
It's really a great pleasure to hear back, yeah.
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่ฟ”ไบ‹ใ‚’ใ„ใŸใ ใ‘ใฆๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅฌ‰ใ—ใ„ใงใ™ใ€ใฏใ„ใ€‚
09:45
- You're welcome.
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- ใฉใ†ใ„ใŸใ—ใพใ—ใฆใ€‚
09:46
- Thanks a lot.
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