"Once There Was III" -- A Mesmerizing Blend of Dance, Animation and Tech | Nina McNeely | TED

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ฒˆ์—ญ: Yunjung Cho ๊ฒ€ํ† : Jihyeon J. Kim
00:05
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(์Œ์•…)
06:39
(Applause and cheers)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜์™€ ํ™˜ํ˜ธ)
07:02
Helen Walters: Technology, entertainment, design.
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ํ—ฌ๋ Œ ์›”ํ„ฐ์Šค : ๊ธฐ์ˆ (T), ์—”ํ„ฐํ…Œ์ธ๋จผํŠธ(E) ๋””์ž์ธ(D).
07:05
Holy shit.
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์„ธ์ƒ์—.
07:06
OK, that piece was called โ€œOnce There Was IIIโ€,
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์ข‹์•„์š”, ๊ฐ์ƒํ•˜์‹  โ€œIII์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹คโ€œ๋Š”
07:09
and it came from the brain of Nina McNeely, who is here.
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๊ณง ์ž…์žฅํ•  ๋‹ˆ๋‚˜ ๋งฅ๋‹๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ž‘ํ’ˆ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:13
And Iโ€™m going to invite her for that standing O, if you donโ€™t mind.
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๊ดœ์ฐฎ์œผ์‹œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ธฐ๋ฆฝ ๋ฐ•์ˆ˜ ๋ถ€ํƒ๋“œ๋ ค์š”.
๋‹ˆ๋‚˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:16
Nina.
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07:17
(Applause and cheers)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜์™€ ํ™˜ํ˜ธ)
07:21
Please take the stage.
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๋ฌด๋Œ€๋Š” ๋‹น์‹  ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
07:22
Take your moment, take your bow.
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์ฆ๊ธฐ์„ธ์š”, ์ธ์‚ฌ๋„ ํ•˜์‹œ๊ณ ์š”.
07:25
(Applause)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
07:30
OK.
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์ข‹์•„์š”.
07:32
OK, Nina, I have a few questions for you.
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๋‹ˆ๋‚˜, ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
07:35
I know that you don't always want to speak,
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์„ค๋ช…์„ ์ฆ๊ธฐ์‹œ์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฑด ์•Œ์•„์š”.
07:37
that your work speaks for itself.
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๋ง์ด ํ•„์š” ์—†๋Š” ์ž‘ํ’ˆ์„ ๋งŒ๋“œ์‹œ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
07:38
But nonetheless, thank you for joining me up here.
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์–ด์จŒ๋“ , ์ž๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํ•ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:41
So you are a visual artist, a choreographer and an animator,
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์‹œ๊ฐ ์˜ˆ์ˆ ๊ฐ€, ์•ˆ๋ฌด๊ฐ€์ด์ž ์• ๋‹ˆ๋ฉ”์ดํ„ฐ๋กœ ํ™œ๋™ํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด์„œ
07:44
and somehow you're bringing everything together.
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์ด ์„ธ ์š”์†Œ๋ฅผ ๋ชจ๋‘ ํ™œ์šฉํ•ด์„œ ์ž‘ํ’ˆ์„ ์ œ์ž‘ํ•˜์‹ ๋‹ค๊ณ ์š”.
์–ด๋–ค ์ž‘์—…์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
07:47
What are you doing?
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๊ธฐ์ˆ ๊ณผ ์ถค์„ ๊ฒฐํ•ฉํ•˜์‹œ๋Š” ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”?
07:48
You're blending technology and dance?
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07:50
What's happening?
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๋‹ˆ๋‚˜ ๋งฅ๋‹๋ฆฌ: ๋งž์•„์š”.
07:51
Nina McNeely: Yes.
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์ €๋Š” ์–ธ์ œ๋‚˜ ์ธ๊ฐ„ ๊ฒฝํ—˜๊ณผ
07:52
I've always been intrigued by the human experience,
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07:56
the world of dreams
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๊ฟˆ์˜ ์„ธ๊ณ„, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
07:57
and whatever may be lurking in the shadows of the subconscious mind.
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์ž ์žฌ์˜์‹์˜ ๊ทธ๋ฆผ์ž ์†์— ์ˆจ์–ด์žˆ์„ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€์— ๋Œ๋ ธ์–ด์š”.
08:02
So I use dance to tell stories about sisterhood
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ถค์œผ๋กœ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž๋งค์• ์™€
08:05
and struggle and transcendence.
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ํˆฌ์Ÿ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ดˆ์›”์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ์š”.
08:08
And I combine that with live projection mapping
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๋ผ์ด๋ธŒ ํ”„๋กœ์ ์…˜ ๋งตํ•‘ ๊ธฐ๋ฒ•์„ ์ด์šฉํ•ด ํ•˜๋‚˜๋กœ ํ•ฉ์ณ์„œ
08:12
to create surrealist environments that I can shift in and out of quickly.
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๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ๋ณ€ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ์ดˆ์›”์ ์ธ ๋ถ„์œ„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด๋‚ด์ฃ .
08:16
So it feels just like a dream.
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๋งˆ์น˜ ๊ฟˆ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋Š๊ปด์ง€๋„๋ก์š”.
08:18
And it also allows me to create illusions
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ํ™˜์ƒ์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด๋‚ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋์–ด์š”.
08:21
that the dancers are controlling the animations with their bodies.
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๋งˆ์น˜ ๋Œ„์„œ๋“ค์˜ ๋™์ž‘์ด ์• ๋‹ˆ๋ฉ”์ด์…˜์„ ์กฐ์ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ณด์ด์ฃ .
08:25
HW: Tell us a little bit -- There's a lot of precision here.
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HW: ๊ต‰์žฅํžˆ ์น˜๋ฐ€ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด์ง„ ์ž‘ํ’ˆ์ธ๋ฐ
08:28
What's actually going on?
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์–ด๋–ค ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ์ธ์ง€ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์–ด์š”?
08:30
NM: Well, this piece was actually commissioned
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NM: ์Œ, ์‚ฌ์‹ค โ€œIII์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹คโ€œ๋Š”
08:33
by Entity Contemporary Dance in Los Angeles, as a film.
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L.A ์—”ํ‹ฐํ‹ฐ ์ปจํ…œํฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฆฌ ๋Œ„์Šค์˜ ์˜๋ขฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ์˜ํ™”๋กœ ์ œ์ž‘๋œ ์ž‘ํ’ˆ์ด์—์š”.
08:37
And this is the first time it's ever been performed live.
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๋ผ์ด๋ธŒ ๊ณต์—ฐ์€ ์ด๋ฒˆ์ด ์ฒ˜์Œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:39
HW: First time.
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HW: ์ฒ˜์Œ์ด์—ˆ๊ตฐ์š”.
08:41
Oh, my God, that's so awesome.
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์„ธ์ƒ์—, ์ •๋ง ๋Œ€๋‹จํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
08:45
NM: So my process always starts with music.
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NM: ์ €๋Š” ์–ธ์ œ๋‚˜ ์Œ์•…๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ด์š”.
08:47
Music is like a psychedelic to me,
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์Œ์•…์€ ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ํ™˜๊ฐ์ œ ๊ฐ™์•„์„œ,
08:50
so I'm always searching for music that's going to take me
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ฐฝ์˜์ ์ธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์ค„
08:52
on the most imaginative journey possible.
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์Œ์•…์„ ๋Š˜ ์ฐพ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:55
And then I envision the piece, I set the choreography on the dancers,
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๊ทธ ๋‹ค์Œ์— ์ž‘ํ’ˆ์„ ๊ตฌ์ƒํ•˜์ฃ , ๋Œ„์„œ๋“ค์ด ์•ˆ๋ฌด๋ฅผ ์‹œ์—ฐํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ณ 
09:00
I shoot that choreography, usually with my phone,
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์ฃผ๋กœ ์ œ ํ•ธ๋“œํฐ์œผ๋กœ ์•ˆ๋ฌด๋ฅผ ์ดฌ์˜ํ•ด์š”.
09:03
and then I bring that into my animation software.
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์˜์ƒ์„ ์ œ ์• ๋‹ˆ๋ฉ”์ด์…˜ ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด๋กœ ๋ถˆ๋Ÿฌ์™€
09:07
I create the animations,
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์• ๋‹ˆ๋ฉ”์ด์…˜์„ ์ œ์ž‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:09
then we get back in the studio and combine the two together,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๊ณ ๋Š” ์ŠคํŠœ๋””์˜ค๋กœ ๋Œ์•„์™€ ๋‘˜์„ ํ•ฉ์น˜๋Š”๋ฐ,
09:12
which actually takes hours and hours of trial and error.
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์‹œํ–‰์ฐฉ์˜ค๋ฅผ ๊ฒช๋Š๋ผ ํ•œ์ฐธ ๊ฑธ๋ฆฌ๊ณค ํ•ด์š”.
09:15
And I heavily rely on the impeccable music timing of my dancers
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋Œ„์„œ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋งŽ์ด ์˜์ง€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ์•…์— ์™„๋ฒฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งž์ถฐ ์›€์ง์ด๋ฉฐ
09:21
and their talent and precision.
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์žฌ๋Šฅ์žˆ๊ณ  ์ •ํ™•ํ•˜์ฃ .
09:23
HW: They're amazing.
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HW: ์ •๋ง ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•ด์š”.
09:24
So I love that you brought up music.
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์Œ์•… ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜์™€์„œ ๋ง์ธ๋ฐ
09:26
Tell us about the music that we just heard.
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๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ๋“ค์—ˆ๋˜ ์Œ์•… ์–˜๊ธฐ ์ข€ ํ•ด์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
09:28
NM: So this music was composed by an artist named umru
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NM: ์›€๋ฃจ๋ผ๋Š” ์•„ํ‹ฐ์ŠคํŠธ์˜ ์ž‘ํ’ˆ์ธ๋ฐ์š”
09:31
with a feature by another artist named warpstr.
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์™€ํ”„์Šคํ„ฐ๋ผ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์•„ํ‹ฐ์ŠคํŠธ๊ฐ€ ํ”ผ์ฒ˜๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:34
And I found umruโ€™s music on SoundCloud around five years ago
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5๋…„ ์ „ ์‚ฌ์šด๋“œํด๋ผ์šฐ๋“œ์—์„œ ์›€๋ฃจ์˜ ์Œ์•…์„ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋์–ด์š”.
09:38
and was just blown away by his use of these visceral, crunchy sounds
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์ •๋ง ๊ฐํƒ„ํ–ˆ์ฃ . ์ฐŒ๋ฅด๋Š” ๋“ฏํ•œ ๊ฐ•๋ ฌํ•œ ์‚ฌ์šด๋“œ๋ฅผ
09:43
combined with these angelic vocal samples.
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์ฒœ์ƒ์˜ ๋ชฉ์†Œ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋ณด์ปฌ ์ƒ˜ํ”Œ๊ณผ ๊ฒฐํ•ฉํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์ด ๋†€๋ผ์› ์–ด์š”.
09:46
And I really loved that his music sounded both ancient and futuristic
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๋˜ ๋…ธ๋ž˜๊ฐ€ ๊ณ ์ „์ ์ด๋ฉด์„œ๋„ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋“ค๋ ค์„œ ์ข‹์•˜์–ด์š”.
09:50
at the same time.
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09:51
So I started choreographing to his music in my dance class,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ถค ์ˆ˜์—…์—์„œ ๊ทธ์˜ ์Œ์•…์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์•ˆ๋ฌด๋ฅผ ์ œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์ฃ .
09:54
and we started talking on Instagram,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ค ๋ณด๋‹ˆ ์ธ์Šคํƒ€๊ทธ๋žจ์—์„œ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋๊ณ ,
09:56
and the collaboration was born.
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๊ณต๋™ ์ž‘์—…์œผ๋กœ ์ด์–ด์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:59
HW: So this session is all about imagination.
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HW: ์ด ์ž‘ํ’ˆ์€ ์˜จ์ „ํžˆ ์ƒ์ƒ ์†์—์„œ ๋‚˜์™”๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋“ค์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”,
10:02
Tell us a little bit about your creative process
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์ฐฝ์กฐ ๊ณผ์ •์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€ํ•ด์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
10:05
and how imagination clearly plays into that.
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์ƒ์ƒ๋ ฅ์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ฐœ์ž…๋˜๋Š” ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”?
10:08
NM: So at this point in my career as an artist,
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NM: ํ˜„์‹œ์ ์—์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์•„ํ‹ฐ์ŠคํŠธ๋กœ์„œ
10:10
I've decided to just let my influences flow into me without question,
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์˜๋ฌธ ์—†์ด ํ˜๋Ÿฌ ๋“ค์–ด์˜ค๋Š” ๋Œ€๋กœ ์˜๊ฐ์„ ๋ฐ›์•„ ๋“ค์ด๊ธฐ๋กœ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:15
even if they're not on trend or unpopular.
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ํŠธ๋ Œ๋“œ์— ๋งž์ง€ ์•Š๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ธ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์—†๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•ด๋„์š”.
10:18
And this music really struck me with these visions
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์ด ์Œ์•…์„ ๋“ค์œผ๋ฉด์„œ
10:21
of the religious iconography I was exposed to
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์ข…๊ต์ ์ธ ์ด๋ฏธ์ง€๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ•ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋– ์˜ฌ๋ž์–ด์š”.
10:24
growing up in the Catholic Church.
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์นดํ†จ๋ฆญ ์ง‘์•ˆ์—์„œ ์ž๋ผ๋ฉฐ ๋ด ์˜จ ๊ฒŒ ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
10:26
And because of my Mexican and Filipino heritage,
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๋ฉ•์‹œ์ฝ”์™€ ํ•„๋ฆฌํ•€ ์ง‘์•ˆ์ด๋ผ
10:29
that imagery was intense,
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์•„์ฃผ ๊ฐ•๋ ฌํ–ˆ์ฃ .
10:32
a little bloody and dramatic.
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ํ”ผํˆฌ์„ฑ์ด์— ๊ทน์ ์ธ ์ด๋ฏธ์ง€์˜€์–ด์š”.
10:35
(Laughs)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
10:36
And I just remember being surrounded by these paintings and figurines
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์ข…๊ต์ ์ธ ๊ทธ๋ฆผ๊ณผ ์กฐ๊ฐ์ƒ๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋“ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒŒ ๊ธฐ์–ต๋‚˜์š”.
10:41
whose faces expressed such sorrow and piety and ecstasy.
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๊ทธ ์–ผ๊ตด๋“ค์€ ์Šฌํ””๊ณผ ๊ฒฝ๊ฑดํ•จ, ํ™ฉํ™€ํ•จ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋“ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:47
And I just remember being completely awestruck
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์ €๋Š” ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๊ฒฝ์ด์— ์ฐจ์„œ
10:49
and put in the state of pure, childlike wonderment
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์ˆœ์ˆ˜ํ•œ, ์•„์ด๋‹ค์šด ๋†€๋ผ์›€์„ ๋Š๋ผ๊ณค ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
10:52
by their beauty and darkness.
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๊ทธ ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์›€๊ณผ ์•”์šธํ•จ์— ๋งค๋ฃŒ๋˜์—ˆ์ฃ .
10:54
And it's my greatest desire to recreate that experience
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์ €์˜ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋Š” ๊ทธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ๊ตฌํ˜„ํ•ด๋‚ด์„œ
10:58
and share it with the world.
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์„ธ์ƒ๊ณผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:00
HW: Well, you sure did that.
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HW: ์ œ๋Œ€๋กœ ํ•ด ๋‚ด์‹  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๋„ค์š”.
11:01
Nina McNeely, thank you so much.
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๋‹ˆ๋‚˜ ๋งฅ๋‹๋ฆฌ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ์™€์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:03
NM: Thank you.
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NM: ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:04
(Applause)
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์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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