Ryan Phelan: The intended consequences of helping nature thrive | TED

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Meet Elizabeth Ann.
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She's a black-footed ferret,
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America's most endangered animal.
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She was cloned using cells from a ferret that lived 33 years ago.
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Elizabeth Ann is a new hope for the future of her species,
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a chance to actually restore lost genetic diversity.
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She was born for this intended consequence.
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I've been working in conservation for the last 10 years
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with innovative scientists from around the world
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to bring biotechnology to wildlife conservation.
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We need to solve the escalating threats to biodiversity from climate change,
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habitat loss, fragmented populations and wildlife diseases.
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These are the unintended consequences of the human-dominated time we live in.
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A time when we need new tools for the conservation toolbox
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and with genetic rescue,
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we can actually help stop more species from crossing the line into extinction.
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And the black-footed ferret is a great example.
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The black footed-ferret historically ranged
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all across the Great Plains of North America,
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from Canada to Mexico.
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That is, until their habitat was converted to ranches and farmland.
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By 1981, there was only one colony of ferrets living in Wyoming.
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They were brought into captivity,
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and the US Fish and Wildlife Service has successfully been breeding
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and releasing these individuals back into the wild for the last 30 years.
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But all 600 living ferrets today
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are the descendants of just seven ancestors.
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And with inbreeding that jeopardizes their long-term survival in the wild.
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To solve this challenge of a lack of genetic variation,
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we reached back in time.
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Luckily, scientists had the foresight.
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Starting in 1975, Dr. Oliver Ryder and his team at the San Diego Zoo
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started banking endangered species,
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and it was with one of these cell lines
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that we were able to actually bring in a new individual
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who lived 33 years ago, who had unique genetic variation.
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Elizabeth Ann is a result of that cloning.
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She has three times more genetic variation than any living ferret today.
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And when she breeds in the next couple of years,
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her offspring will help create greater resilience for her species.
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Now Elizabeth Ann isn't the only time that we've done cloning.
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We’ve worked with the Przewalski’s horses.
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These are the only true species of wild horse remaining in the world.
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Historically, they were native to Central Asia,
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but they roamed all the way from the Pacific
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to the Atlantic Ocean for centuries.
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Until they were basically extinct in the wild,
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with only several horses left in captivity.
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Conservationists have reintroduced some of those horses since 1960,
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back into the wild.
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But all 2,000 horses all living today
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are again at risk of inbreeding.
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And many scientists refer to this challenge
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as the extinction vortex,
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when small, fragmented populations lose genetic variation
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and become at risk for the vortex of extinction
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as their populations dwindle.
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Now, with genetic rescue, we can reverse this extinction vortex
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by bringing a new genetic variation
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and increasing the long-term survival of these populations.
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And that’s exactly what we did with this Przewalski’s foal
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named Kurt.
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That's actually his surrogate mother to the right.
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She's an American Quarter Horse, a different species.
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But Kurt's genome is all wild horse.
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Now, here's Kurt, exactly one year later,
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this August.
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He's a wild, healthy,
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vibrant Przewalski's horse.
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Now, these genetic rescue stories could not have happened
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without the collaboration of multiple partners
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and the tools of biotechnology.
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Fundamental to all of this is the most essential tool, is genomic sequencing
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and the power of bringing that information into the light
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to help the management of these species.
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In addition, the bio banking,
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the cell culturing and the in vitro technologies
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have made this kind of genetic rescue possible.
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But even these technologies are not widely adopted by conservation.
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We hope to change that.
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Emerging technologies of genetic engineering
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hold the promise of helping species adapt to climate change,
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solve wildlife disease problems,
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and even help solve invasive species problems.
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But very often these technologies never get out of the starting gate
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because the fear of unintended consequences absolutely stymies
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even the most basic innovation at the get-go.
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Probably there's no more urgent need
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to overcome some of this reluctance to use these technologies
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than in the case of coral.
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Coral, as many of you know,
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are the most diverse and rich ecosystems in the world.
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They provide a rich biodiversity
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for reef-dwelling fish and all ocean life.
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And yet, sadly,
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50 percent of the Great Barrier Reef has been lost already to climate change
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and environmental degradation.
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Estimates predicts that by 2050,
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we could lose as much as 90 percent of the coral in the world.
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There is hope.
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Scientists around the world are utilizing new technologies
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to cryopreserve even living coral fragments
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that can be transplanted onto artificial reefs.
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This is just the beginning of some of the work that is pioneering
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and can happen.
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I'm most excited about the use of the new technologies
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for developing stem cells.
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Now these stem cells could be used
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to actually genome edit in thermal resilience to warming oceans.
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Now, you may be looking at that and saying,
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"Genetically modified corals?
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What about the unintended consequences?"
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This question comes up so often with any innovation in science,
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we decided to actually identify just how often, when humans intervene,
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did they cause the disasters that people fear so much.
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And yes, your classic stories of humans intervening in nature
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and causing disasters, like bringing rodents to islands,
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that stowed away on colonial sailing ships.
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These invasive species and others have caused greater than 60 percent
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of the extinctions worldwide since the early 1500s.
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And then there's the poster child for intentionally releasing
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the poisonous cane toad to Australia.
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Back in 1935,
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the sugar cane industry brought this invasive, poisonous cane toad in
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to solve their problem with beetles in their crops.
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It didn't do much for the beetles, and instead, since 1935,
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it has continued to work its way across Australia,
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leaving nothing in its wake
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and killing native species all along the way.
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These disasters stoke the minds of people about fear of intervention,
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and yet they happened in an era when there was little regard
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for the overall environmental ecosystem.
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And they were done, in some cases,
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even with profit motivation in mind,
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they weren't done for conservation benefit.
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And sadly, we never hear about the success stories.
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So when we looked at the research
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about what happens when conservation intend to intervene in nature,
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we found a very different story.
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All across the globe, for over a century,
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scientists have been introducing and reintroducing plants and animals
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with no environmental harm.
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You may know the classic success story of introducing wolves to Yellowstone.
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But that's not the only one.
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Think about this.
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Over 1,000 species have been introduced all across North America
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for the last 125 years.
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There has been no documented case,
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except one,
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of any intervention causing a local extinction.
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That was a native freshwater fish from a small spring in Alabama.
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Ninety-nine percent of these interventions have succeeded
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in achieving their intended consequence.
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So you may look at this and wonder, if intervention is so common in nature,
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why aren't we more aware of this?
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And I think it's because sometimes success is actually invisible to us.
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Take, for example, this image of the Great Smoky Mountains,
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America's most visited national park.
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What we see as pristine wilderness is actually a very managed environment.
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Those elk you see,
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they're the result of being absent for 200 years
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and being reintroduced.
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That meadow is a result of repeated controlled burns.
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And non-native insects have been used to control pathogens and invasive pests.
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And there's one more iconic species that could come back to this forest.
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That's the American chestnut tree.
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Historically, this majestic tree
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rained down sweet nuts and fed humans and animals alike for centuries.
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For thousands of years,
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it was the most abundant tree species
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across the eastern deciduous forest.
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It's lumber was used to create fine musical instruments
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and hardwood furniture.
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And until 1800,
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there were four billion of these trees across the forest
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until blight, a fungal blight that came in, imported,
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invasive species,
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absolutely wiped out these trees.
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By 1950, all four billion trees were decimated.
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Now, since that time,
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scientists have tried for decades
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to figure out how to create a blight-resistant chestnut tree.
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And it's happened.
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Scientists at the State University of New York have identified a way
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inserting a single gene from wheat that will convey blight resistance.
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These genetically modified trees right now are the first chance in 100 years
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to restore these majestic trees to the forest.
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The US Department of Agriculture right now is reviewing these trees
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for release into the wild.
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These are all bold initiatives.
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Engineering coral to withstand warming waters,
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restoring the American chestnut tree,
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the genetic rescue of the black-footed ferret.
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All of these initiatives will require public engagement and public support.
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I think it matters how people think about intervention.
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I believe we need to bring more balance to how we think about risk.
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There will always be unexpected outcomes
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to any innovation in science,
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but we have the tools and technology today and the protocols to minimize risks
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and maximize benefits.
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So the next time you hear about some bold new idea,
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I hope you'll think first about the intended consequences.
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We don't have the luxury of time
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to stand by and wait and see what happens
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for the thousands of plants and animals at risk today.
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We know that doing nothing can cause extinction.
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Instead, let's carefully and intentionally plan
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with all the tools in the toolbox
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to achieve and create the future we want
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and not overreact to a future that we fear.
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Thank you.
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(Applause)
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Chris Anderson: Please stay.
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I think this is so interesting.
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It seems to me, at the heart of what you're wrestling with each time
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is this, you know, it's a moral question.
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So most moral philosophers, I think, would say that fundamentally,
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there's not a difference between intentional action
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and intentional inaction that leads to the same thing.
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So why is it that in so many areas of public policy
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and certainly in the environmental movement,
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there is this huge distinction that people make between action and inaction?
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They would rather not act and see something go wrong
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than take the risk of acting.
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Why?
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Ryan Phelan: You know, I think it's public pressure that they feel
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as scientists innovating.
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They don't want to get it wrong.
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They have funders that challenged them on taking on innovation and action.
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They run the risk of losing jobs, funding, security, public shame.
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It's so much easier for people to stand by and do nothing
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and not take ownership of it.
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And I think this is really what we're trying to say,
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is if we can encourage scientists and innovators to be bold,
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it will behoove all of us.
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CA: Right.
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So one advantage of inaction is just that you're less likely to be blamed.
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RP: Exactly.
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You don't get credit either.
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CA: No.
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Ryan, these same technologies, synthetic biology and so forth,
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like in principle, they allow actual de-extinction,
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species that the planet hasn't seen for years,
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in principle, we could bring back.
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Are there any projects you're involved with
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that excite you or possibly terrify you,
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where we could see such de-extinction taking place?
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RP: Well, technically the American chestnut tree is almost extinct.
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You know, people will see some sprouts come up
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because the roots are there,
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but they basically, you know,
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fail within 15 years.
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So they're not totally extinct,
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but they're very close to it.
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You know, we are working on everything from the woolly mammoth,
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as some of you may know, to the passenger pigeon.
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But to me, the most motivating part of these technologies is,
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de-extinction is just a big, hairy, audacious goal.
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And if we get there, it'll be grand.
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But getting there, all of these genetic rescue tools and technology
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can be applied to save endangered species.
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It's all a fundamental tool kit.
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It's essential.
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CA: Well, Ryan, you're an extremely compelling and persuasive
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and trustworthy voice, I would say.
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So thank you so much for the work you're doing
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and for sharing this.
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(Applause)
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