An Israeli and a Palestinian Talk Peace, Dignity and Safety | Ali Abu Awwad and Ami Dar | TED

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ูŠุฑุฌู‰ ุงู„ู†ู‚ุฑ ู†ู‚ุฑู‹ุง ู…ุฒุฏูˆุฌู‹ุง ููˆู‚ ุงู„ุชุฑุฌู…ุฉ ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ ุฃุฏู†ุงู‡ ู„ุชุดุบูŠู„ ุงู„ููŠุฏูŠูˆ.

ุงู„ู…ุชุฑุฌู…: Nawal Sharabati ุงู„ู…ุฏู‚ู‘ู‚: LYONNH Q
00:03
Cloe Shasha Brooks: Thank you so much for being here, and welcome.
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ูƒู„ูˆูŠ ุดุงุดุง ุจุฑูˆูƒุณ: ุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ุฌุฒูŠู„ู‹ุง ู„ูˆุฌูˆุฏูƒู…ุง ู‡ู†ุง ูˆู…ุฑุญุจู‹ุง ุจูƒู…ุง.
00:06
Ami Dar: Thank you.
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ุนุงู…ูŠ ุฏุงุฑ: ุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒ.
00:08
Ali Abu Awwad: Thank you.
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ุนู„ูŠ ุฃุจูˆ ุนูˆุงุฏ: ุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒ.
00:09
CSB: So to get started, it would be helpful to hear a brief,
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ูƒ.ุด.ุจ.: ุฅุฐู‹ุง ู„ู„ุจุฏุกุŒ ุณูŠูƒูˆู† ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ููŠุฏ ุงู„ุงุณุชู…ุงุน ุฅู„ู‰ ู†ุจุฐุฉ ู‚ุตูŠุฑุฉุŒ
00:12
overly simplistic summary of what each of you envisions
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ู…ู„ุฎุต ู…ุจุณุท ุฌุฏู‹ุง ู„ู…ุง ูŠุชุตูˆุฑู‡ ูƒู„ ูˆุงุญุฏ ู…ู†ูƒู…ุง
00:15
when you imagine a peaceful future for Israel and Palestine.
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ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุชุชุฎูŠู„ุงู† ู…ุณุชู‚ุจู„ู‹ุง ุณู„ู…ูŠู‹ุง ู„ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ ูˆูู„ุณุทูŠู†.
00:18
And from there we can go into the details
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ูˆู…ู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ุง ุงู„ุฎูˆุถ ููŠ ุงู„ุชูุงุตูŠู„
00:20
of how your visions might become a reality.
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ุญูˆู„ ูƒูŠููŠุฉ ุชุญูˆู‘ู„ ุฑุคุงูƒู…ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ูˆุงู‚ุน.
ุฅุฐู‹ุง ู„ู†ุจุฏุฃ ู…ุน ุนู„ูŠุŒ ูˆู…ู† ุซู… ู†ู†ุชู‚ู„ ุฅู„ู‰ ุนุงู…ูŠ.
00:23
So let's start with Ali, and then we can go to Ami.
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00:26
AAA: Hello, everyone, thank you for having us.
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ุน.ุฃ.ุน.: ู…ุฑุญุจู‹ุง ุจุงู„ุฌู…ูŠุนุŒ ุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ุงุณุชุถุงูุชู†ุง.
00:29
Ami, you look great.
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ุนุงู…ูŠุŒ ุชุจุฏูˆ ุฑุงุฆุนู‹ุง.
00:33
Well, I envision, as a solution-maker,
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ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ุฃุชุตูˆุฑุŒ ุจุตูุชูŠ ุตุงู†ุน ุญู„ูˆู„ุŒ
00:36
I envision a place where our both identities are in harmony of our life.
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ุฃุชุตูˆุฑ ู…ูƒุงู†ู‹ุง ุชูƒูˆู† ููŠู‡ ู‡ูˆูŠู‘ุงุชู†ุง ููŠ ุชู†ุงุบู… ู…ุน ุญูŠุงุชู†ุง.
00:43
Both sides have tremendous deep roots to this land,
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ู„ุฏู‰ ุงู„ุทุฑูุงู† ุฌุฐูˆุฑู‘ุง ุนู…ูŠู‚ุฉ ู‡ุงุฆู„ุฉ ููŠ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุฃุฑุถุŒ
00:49
from the ideology side of it, from the political side of it,
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ู…ู† ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจ ุงู„ู…ูุงู‡ูŠู…ูŠ ู„ู‡ุงุŒ ูˆู…ู† ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจ ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณูŠ ู…ู†ู‡ุงุŒ
00:53
from the national side, from the religious side of it.
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ูˆู…ู† ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจ ุงู„ูˆุทู†ูŠุŒ ูˆู…ู† ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจ ุงู„ุฏูŠู†ูŠ ู…ู†ู‡ุง.
00:57
So peace for me is where these two identities
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ู„ุฐุง ูุฅู† ุงู„ุณู„ุงู… ุจุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ู„ูŠ ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ู…ูƒุงู† ุญูŠุซ ู‡ุงุชูŠู† ุงู„ู‡ูˆูŠุชูŠู†
01:00
are practiced freely in harmony,
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ุชู…ุงุฑุณุงู† ุจุญุฑูŠุฉ ููŠ ุชู†ุงุบู…ุŒ
01:04
in cooperation with the whole world and the Middle East around us.
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ูˆุจุงู„ุชุนุงูˆู† ู…ุน ุงู„ุนุงู„ู… ูƒู„ู‡ ูˆุงู„ุดุฑู‚ ุงู„ุฃูˆุณุท ู…ู† ุญูˆู„ู†ุง.
01:08
That's my big vision.
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ู‡ุฐู‡ ู‡ูŠ ุฑุคูŠุชูŠ ุงู„ูƒุจูŠุฑุฉ.
01:10
Ami Dar: Thank you, Ali
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ุน.ุฏ.: ุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒ ูŠุง ุนู„ูŠ
01:11
and thank you Cloe for having us and having me here.
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ูˆุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒ ูŠุง ูƒู„ูˆูŠ ุนู„ู‰ ุงุณุชุถุงูุชู†ุง ูˆุงุณุชุถุงูุชูŠ ู‡ู†ุง.
01:16
I would say yes to everything that Ali just said.
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ุฃูˆุฏ ุฃู† ุฃู‚ูˆู„ ู†ุนู… ู„ูƒู„ ุดูŠุก ู‚ุงู„ู‡ ุนู„ูŠ ู„ู„ุชูˆ.
01:19
I would add a couple of things.
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ุฃูˆุฏ ุฅุถุงูุฉ ุจุนุถ ุงู„ุฃุดูŠุงุก:
ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ ู‡ูˆ ุฃู†ู‡ ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ูŠุชุญุฏุซ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุนู† ุญู„ูˆู„ ูุนู„ูŠุฉ ู„ู‡ุฐุงุŒ
01:21
One is that when people talk about literally solutions to this,
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ุฏุงุฆู…ู‹ุง ู…ุง ุชูƒูˆู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู†ู‚ุงู‚ุดุงุช ุญูˆู„ุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูŠู†ุŒ ุฏูˆู„ุฉ ูˆุงุญุฏุฉ ูˆุฏูˆู„ุชูŠู†ุŒ
01:25
there are always these debates of, you know, one state, two state,
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01:28
confederation, all of those things.
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ูˆุงุชุญุงุฏ ูƒูˆู†ูุฏุฑุงู„ูŠุŒ ูˆูƒู„ ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุฃุดูŠุงุก.
01:30
There are seven million Palestinians who live, as we say,
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ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุณุจุนุฉ ู…ู„ุงูŠูŠู† ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠ ูŠุนูŠุดูˆู†ุŒ ูƒู…ุง ู†ู‚ูˆู„ุŒ
01:33
between the river and the sea.
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ุจูŠู† ุงู„ู†ู‡ุฑ ูˆุงู„ุจุญุฑ.
01:34
There are seven million Jews who live between the river and the sea.
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ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุณุจุนุฉ ู…ู„ุงูŠูŠู† ูŠู‡ูˆุฏูŠ ูŠุนูŠุดูˆู† ุจูŠู† ุงู„ู†ู‡ุฑ ูˆุงู„ุจุญุฑ.
ูˆุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู‡ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ู‡ู… ุงู„ุจุฏุก ุจุงู„ู‚ูˆู„ ุฃู†ู‡ู… ุฌู…ูŠุนู‹ุง ุจุงู‚ูˆู†.
01:38
And I think it's important to start by saying that all of them are staying.
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01:41
There's a sort of set of poisonous beliefs out there
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ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู…ุฌู…ูˆุนุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุนุชู‚ุฏุงุช ุงู„ุณุงู…ุฉ ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ุง
01:45
that wants to either get rid of the Palestinians
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุฑูŠุฏ ุฅู…ุง ุงู„ุชุฎู„ุต ู…ู† ุงู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠูŠู†
01:47
or tell the Jews to go back to where they came from or whatever.
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ุฃูˆ ุฅุฎุจุงุฑ ุงู„ูŠู‡ูˆุฏ ุจุงู„ุนูˆุฏุฉ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ู…ูƒุงู† ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุฌุงุกูˆุง ู…ู†ู‡ ุฃูˆ ู…ุง ุดุงุจู‡.
01:50
None of that is going to happen.
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ู„ู† ูŠุญุฏุซ ุฃูŠ ุดูŠุก ู…ู† ุฐู„ูƒ.
01:52
The Jews are staying, the Palestinians are staying.
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ุงู„ูŠู‡ูˆุฏ ุจุงู‚ูˆู†ุŒ ูˆุงู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠูˆู† ุจุงู‚ูˆู†.
01:54
And I think one of the almost, like, most urgent things right now
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ูˆุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ูˆุงุญุฏู‹ุง ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃู…ูˆุฑ ุงู„ุฃูƒุซุฑ ุฅู„ุญุงุญู‹ุง ุชู‚ุฑูŠุจู‹ุง ููŠ ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช ุงู„ุญุงู„ูŠ
01:58
is to create a sort of informal coalition of all those people
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ู‡ูˆ ุฅู†ุดุงุก ู†ูˆุน ู…ู† ุงู„ุชุญุงู„ู ุบูŠุฑ ุงู„ุฑุณู…ูŠ ุจูŠู† ุฌู…ูŠุน ู‡ุคู„ุงุก ุงู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต
02:03
who agree on that basic starting point,
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ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ูŠุชูู‚ูˆู† ุนู„ู‰ ู†ู‚ุทุฉ ุงู„ุจุฏุงูŠุฉ ุงู„ุฃุณุงุณูŠุฉ ุชู„ูƒุŒ
02:05
which is that whatever solution we end up with
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ูˆุงู„ุชูŠ ู‡ูŠ ุฃู† ุฃูŠ ุญู„ ู†ุชูˆุตู„ ุฅู„ูŠู‡ ููŠ ุงู„ู†ู‡ุงูŠุฉ
02:07
has to include and encompass everyone who is there.
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ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ูŠุดู…ู„ ูˆูŠุญุชูˆู‰ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฌู…ูŠุน ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ู‡ู… ู…ูˆุฌูˆุฏูˆู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ.
02:12
No one is leaving.
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ู„ุง ุฃุญุฏ ูŠุบุงุฏุฑ.
02:13
And ironically, there are lots of people on the outside
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ูˆู…ู† ุงู„ู…ูุงุฑู‚ุงุชุŒ ุฃู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ููŠ ุงู„ุฎุงุฑุฌ
02:17
who I think are sort of poisoning the well a little bit
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ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู‡ู… ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ุง ูŠุณู…ู…ูˆู† ุงู„ุฃุฌูˆุงุก ู‚ู„ูŠู„ู‹ุง
02:20
by saying things like, you know, they should leave or they should go,
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ุจู‚ูˆู„ู‡ู… ุฃุดูŠุงุก ู…ุซู„ุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ูŠุบุงุฏุฑูˆุง ุฃูˆ ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ูŠุฐู‡ุจูˆุงุŒ
02:24
while the people who are there know that they're basically staying.
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ููŠ ุญูŠู† ุฃู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุงู„ู…ูˆุฌูˆุฏูŠู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ูŠุนุฑููˆู† ุฃู†ู‡ู… ููŠ ุงู„ุฃุณุงุณ ุจุงู‚ูˆู†.
02:27
So the specific solutions, you know, one state, two states,
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ุฅุฐู‹ุง ุงู„ุญู„ูˆู„ ุงู„ู…ุญุฏุฏุฉุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ุฏูˆู„ุฉ ูˆุงุญุฏุฉ ูˆุฏูˆู„ุชุงู†ุŒ
02:30
cantons, confederation.
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ูƒุงู†ุชูˆู†ุงุช ูˆุงุชุญุงุฏูŠุฉ ูƒูˆู†ูุฏุฑุงู„ูŠุฉ.
02:32
I sort of, as long as there is peace, justice, freedom, dignity for all,
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ุฃู†ุง ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ุงุŒ ุทุงู„ู…ุง ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุณู„ุงู…ุŒ ูˆุนุฏุงู„ุฉ ูˆุญุฑูŠุฉ ูˆูƒุฑุงู…ุฉ ู„ู„ุฌู…ูŠุนุŒ
02:37
the mechanics of it matter less to me.
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ูุขู„ูŠุงุชู‡ ุงู„ุฎุงุตุฉ ุจู‡ ุชู‡ู…ู†ูŠ ุฃู‚ู„ุŒ ูˆู„ุฏูŠู‘ ุชูุถูŠู„ุงุชูŠ.
02:39
I have my preferences.
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02:40
But it starts from this idea that the people are there,
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ู„ูƒู† ูŠุจุฏุฃ ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ู…ู† ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ููƒุฑุฉุ› ุฃู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ู…ูˆุฌูˆุฏูˆู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒุŒ
02:43
they're not going anywhere,
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ูˆุฃู†ู‡ู… ู„ู† ูŠุฐู‡ุจูˆุง ุฅู„ู‰ ุฃูŠ ู…ูƒุงู†ุŒ ูˆุนู„ูŠู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ุฌุฏ ุญู„ู‹ุง ู…ุนู‹ุง.
02:44
and we have to find a solution together.
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02:47
CSB: Thank you both for sharing that.
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ูƒ. ุด. ุจ.: ุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒู…ุง ุนู„ู‰ ู…ุดุงุฑูƒุฉ ุฐู„ูƒ.
02:49
And to get to that place of peace,
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ูˆู„ู„ูˆุตูˆู„ ุฅู„ู‰ ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ู…ูƒุงู† ู…ู† ุงู„ุณู„ุงู…ุŒ
02:51
it's going to require fundamental shifts
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ุณูŠุชุทู„ุจ ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุชุบูŠูŠุฑุงุช ุฃุณุงุณูŠุฉ
02:53
in so many aspects of reality right now, right?
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ููŠ ุงู„ุนุฏูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุฌูˆุงู†ุจ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน ููŠ ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช ุงู„ุญุงู„ูŠุŒ ุฃู„ูŠุณ ูƒุฐู„ูƒุŸ
02:56
Security arrangements, economic cooperation
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02:59
cultural education, human rights under the law
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ูˆุชุนู„ูŠู… ุซู‚ุงููŠ ูˆุญู‚ูˆู‚ ุงู„ุฅู†ุณุงู† ุชุญุช ุธู„ ุงู„ู‚ุงู†ูˆู†
03:01
and, of course, leadership.
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ูˆุจุงู„ุทุจุนุŒ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงุฏุฉ.
03:03
So let's dive in a bit further.
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ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ู„ู†ุจุฏุฃ ุงู„ุชุนู…ู‚ ุฃูƒุซุฑ ู‚ู„ูŠู„ู‹ุง.
03:05
What are some of your visions for what these shifts must entail
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ู…ุง ู‡ูŠ ุจุนุถ ุฑุคุงูƒู…ุง ู„ู…ุง ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ุชู†ุทูˆูŠ ุนู„ูŠู‡ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุชุบูŠูŠุฑุงุช
03:08
and how they might truly occur?
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ูˆูƒูŠู ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ุชุญุฏุซ ูุนู„ู‹ุงุŸ
03:09
And we can go back to Ali for this one.
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ูˆูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ุง ุงู„ุนูˆุฏุฉ ุฅู„ู‰ ุนู„ูŠู‘ ู„ู„ุฅุฌุงุจุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุณุคุงู„.
03:13
AAA: Yeah, I think any peace process needs an umbrella,
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ุน.ุฃ.ุน.: ู†ุนู…ุŒ ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏู ุฃู† ุฃูŠ ุนู…ู„ูŠุฉ ุณู„ุงู… ุชุญุชุงุฌ ุฅู„ู‰ ู…ุธู„ุฉุŒ
03:18
a political umbrella that will guarantee enough
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ู…ุธู„ุฉ ุณูŠุงุณูŠุฉ ุณุชุถู…ู† ู…ุง ูŠูƒููŠุ›
03:22
and promote enough development,
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ูˆุชุนุฒุฒ ู…ุง ูŠูƒููŠ ู…ู† ุงู„ุชู†ู…ูŠุฉุŒ
03:24
enough healing, enough recognition,
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ูˆุงู„ุชุนุงููŠ ุจู…ุง ูŠูƒููŠ ูˆุงู„ุงุนุชุฑุงู ุจู…ุง ูŠูƒููŠุŒ
03:27
enough cooperation between both sides.
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ูˆุงู„ุชุนุงูˆู† ุงู„ูƒุงููŠ ุจูŠู† ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจูŠู†.
03:30
You know, one of our biggest problems,
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ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ูˆุงุญุฏุฉ ู…ู† ุฃูƒุจุฑ ู…ุดุงูƒู„ู†ุงุŒ
03:32
as solution makers and peacemakers, sometimes,
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ูƒุตุงู†ุนูŠ ุญู„ูˆู„ ูˆุตุงู†ุนูŠ ุณู„ุงู…ุŒ ุฃุญูŠุงู†ู‹ุงุŒ
03:36
between me and Ami, I promise you, put us in a room for one hour,
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ุจูŠู†ูŠ ูˆุจูŠู† ุนุงู…ูŠุŒ ุฃุนุฏูƒุŒ ุถุนูˆู†ุง ููŠ ุบุฑูุฉ ู„ู…ุฏุฉ ุณุงุนุฉ ูˆุงุญุฏุฉุŒ
03:40
we come up with an agreement.
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ุณู†ุชูˆุตู„ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงุชูุงู‚.
03:42
The problem is we need a clear,
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ุงู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ ู‡ูŠ ุฃู†ู†ุง ุจุญุงุฌุฉ ุฅู„ู‰ ุขู„ูŠุฉ ูˆุงุถุญุฉ ูˆู…ุจุงุดุฑุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃุฑุถ
03:46
direct mechanism on the ground
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03:49
that will speak to the people's needs,
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ุณุชู„ุจู‘ูŠ ุงุญุชูŠุงุฌุงุช ุงู„ู†ุงุณุŒ ูˆู„ูŠุณ ูู‚ุท ุชุบูŠูŠุฑ ู…ุดุงุนุฑู‡ู….
03:51
not just transform people's emotions.
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03:54
I mean, most of the Jewish people in this land,
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ุฃุนู†ูŠุŒ ู…ุนุธู… ุงู„ุดุนุจ ุงู„ูŠู‡ูˆุฏูŠ ููŠ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุฃุฑุถุŒ
03:57
most of the Palestinian people of this land are for peace yesterday,
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ูˆู…ุนุธู… ุงู„ุดุนุจ ุงู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠ ููŠ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุฃุฑุถ ูŠุฑูŠุฏูˆู† ุงู„ุณู„ุงู… ู…ู†ุฐ ุงู„ุจุงุฑุญุฉุŒ
04:02
not tomorrow.
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ูˆู„ูŠุณ ุบุฏู‹ุง.
04:03
Whatever you see in the media, I'm telling you, we live here,
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ูƒู„ ู…ุง ุชุดุงู‡ุฏูˆู†ู‡ ููŠ ูˆุณุงุฆู„ ุงู„ุฅุนู„ุงู…ุŒ ุฃู‚ูˆู„ ู„ูƒู…ุŒ ู†ุญู† ู†ุนูŠุด ู‡ู†ุงุŒ
04:07
we live with the people.
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ู†ุญู† ู†ุนูŠุด ู…ุน ุงู„ู†ุงุณ.
04:08
Their deep intention is to have peace.
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ู†ูˆุงูŠุงู‡ู… ุงู„ุนู…ูŠู‚ุฉ ู‡ูŠ ุชุญู‚ูŠู‚ ุงู„ุณู„ุงู….
04:11
But the problem is people fear solution.
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ู„ูƒู† ุงู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ ู‡ูŠ ุฃู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ูŠุฎุงููˆู† ู…ู† ุงู„ุญู„.
04:14
People fear peace.
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ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ูŠุฎุงููˆู† ู…ู† ุงู„ุณู„ุงู….
04:16
Peace needs courage, solution needs courage.
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ุงู„ุณู„ุงู… ูŠุญุชุงุฌ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุดุฌุงุนุฉุŒ ูˆุงู„ุญู„ ูŠุญุชุงุฌ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุดุฌุงุนุฉ.
04:19
Number two, we still act as victims, both sides, still as victims.
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ุซุงู†ูŠู‹ุงุŒ ู…ุง ุฒู„ู†ุง ู†ุชุตุฑู ูƒุถุญุงูŠุงุŒ ูƒู„ุง ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจูŠู†ุŒ ู„ุง ู†ุฒุงู„ ูƒุถุญุงูŠุง.
04:24
We have this competition of suffering:
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ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุชู†ุงูุณ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุนุงู†ุงุฉ: ู…ูŽู† ูŠุนุงู†ูŠ ุฃูƒุซุฑุŸ
04:26
who suffers more?
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04:28
And this always leads us to suffer more and more.
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ุฏุงุฆู…ู‹ุง ู…ุง ูŠู‚ูˆุฏู†ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ู…ุนุงู†ุงุฉ ุฃูƒุซุฑ ูุฃูƒุซุฑ.
04:32
Number three,
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ุซุงู„ุซู‹ุงุŒ
04:34
we are a good resource for international politics.
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ู†ุญู† ู…ุตุฏุฑ ุฌูŠุฏ ู„ู„ุณูŠุงุณุฉ ุงู„ุฏูˆู„ูŠุฉ.
04:36
As Ami mentioned,
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ูƒู…ุง ุฐูƒุฑ ุนุงู…ูŠุŒ
04:37
there are many fingers and hands in this conflict
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ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุงู„ุนุฏูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃุตุงุจุน ูˆุงู„ุฃูŠุงุฏูŠ ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุตุฑุงุน
04:40
that are poisoning our reality every day for their own interest.
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุณู…ู… ูˆุงู‚ุนู†ุง ูƒู„ ูŠูˆู… ู„ู…ุตุงู„ุญู‡ุง ุงู„ุฎุงุตุฉ.
04:45
And thatโ€™s why no one is going to help us
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุณุจุจ ููŠ ุฃู†ู‘ ู„ุง ุฃุญุฏ ุณูŠุณุงุนุฏู†ุง
04:48
as long as we are not able to help ourselves here on the ground.
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ุทุงู„ู…ุง ุฃู†ู†ุง ุบูŠุฑ ู‚ุงุฏุฑูŠู† ุนู„ู‰ ู…ุณุงุนุฏุฉ ุฃู†ูุณู†ุง ู‡ู†ุง ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃุฑุถ.
04:51
So for me, nonviolence activism is my priority,
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ู„ุฐุง ุจุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ู„ูŠุŒ ุงู„ู†ุถุงู„ ุงู„ุณู„ู…ูŠ ู‡ูˆ ุฃูˆู„ูˆูŠุชูŠุŒ
04:56
to create this nonviolence coalition
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ู„ุฅู†ุดุงุก ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุชุญุงู„ู ุงู„ุณู„ู…ูŠ
04:59
and nonviolence movement that I'm leading today,
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ูˆุงู„ุญุฑูƒุฉ ุงู„ุณู„ู…ูŠุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุฃู‚ูˆุฏู‡ุง ุงู„ูŠูˆู…ุŒ
05:01
which is named Taghyeer, โ€œchange.โ€
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ูˆุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุณู…ู‰ ุงู„ุชุบูŠูŠุฑ โ€œchangeโ€œ.
05:03
Because if we want to change reality, we need alternatives.
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ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ุฅุฐุง ุฃุฑุฏู†ุง ุชุบูŠูŠุฑ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุนุŒ ู†ุญุชุงุฌู ุฅู„ู‰ ุจุฏุงุฆู„.
05:06
We need alternatives that speak to people's needs
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ู†ุญุชุงุฌู ุฅู„ู‰ ุจุฏุงุฆู„ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชู„ุจู‘ูŠ ุงุญุชูŠุงุฌุงุช ุงู„ู†ุงุณ
05:10
to people's economy,
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ูˆุงู‚ุชุตุงุฏ ุงู„ู†ุงุณุŒ
05:11
to people's security,
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ูˆุฃู…ู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณุŒ
05:13
to people's freedom of movement, to people's education.
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ูˆุญุฑูŠุฉ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ููŠ ุงู„ุญุฑูƒุฉุŒ ูˆุชุนู„ูŠู… ุงู„ู†ุงุณ.
05:16
We need all of those systems as part of a sustained political agreement
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ู†ุญุชุงุฌู ุฅู„ู‰ ูƒู„ ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุฃู†ุธู…ุฉ ูƒุฌุฒุก ู…ู† ุงุชูุงู‚ ุณูŠุงุณูŠ ู…ุณุชุฏุงู…
05:22
that hopefully both sides will push for.
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ุงู„ุฐูŠ ู†ุฃู…ู„ ุฃู† ูŠุฏุนู…ู‡ ูƒู„ุง ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจูŠู†.
05:24
We need recognition, we need to see each other.
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ู†ุญุชุงุฌู ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุงุนุชุฑุงูุŒ ู†ุญุชุงุฌู ุฅู„ู‰ ุฑุคูŠุฉ ุจุนุถู†ุง ุงู„ุจุนุถ.
05:27
I mean, we should stop arguing each other's identities
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ุฃุนู†ูŠุŒ ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ู†ุชูˆู‚ู ุนู† ุงู„ุฌุฏุงู„ ุญูˆู„ ู‡ูˆูŠุงุช ุจุนุถู†ุง ุงู„ุจุนุถ
05:31
and switch to argue each other's behaviors.
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ูˆุงู„ุงู†ุชู‚ุงู„ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฌุฏุงู„ ุญูˆู„ ุณู„ูˆูƒูŠุงุช ุจุนุถู†ุง ุงู„ุจุนุถ.
05:35
Because occupation is a behavior.
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ู„ุฃู† ุงู„ุงุญุชู„ุงู„ ู‡ูˆ ุณู„ูˆูƒุŒ ูˆุงู„ุนู†ู ู‡ูˆ ุณู„ูˆูƒ.
05:38
Violence is a behavior.
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05:40
So if we feel secure to change,
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ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุฅุฐุง ุดุนุฑู†ุง ุจุงู„ุฃู…ุงู† ู„ู„ุชุบูŠูŠุฑุŒ
05:42
to see and recognize our identities,
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ูˆุฑุคูŠุฉ ู‡ูˆูŠุงุชู†ุง ูˆุงู„ุชุนุฑู ุนู„ูŠู‡ุงุŒ
05:46
we will be able to change these behaviors that cause us this ignorance
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ูุณู†ูƒูˆู† ู‚ุงุฏุฑูŠู† ุนู„ู‰ ุชุบูŠูŠุฑ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุณู„ูˆูƒูŠุงุช ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุณุจุจ ู„ู†ุง ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฌู‡ู„
05:51
of ignoring each other's identities.
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ุจุชุฌุงู‡ู„ ู‡ูˆูŠุงุช ุจุนุถู†ุง ุงู„ุจุนุถ.
05:54
This is a fundamental need for any peace process to happen.
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ู‡ุฐู‡ ุญุงุฌุฉ ุฃุณุงุณูŠุฉ ู„ุญุฏูˆุซ ุฃูŠ ุนู…ู„ูŠุฉ ุณู„ุงู….
05:59
And we need good leadership to lead the process.
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ูˆู†ุญู† ุจุญุงุฌุฉ ุฅู„ู‰ ู‚ูŠุงุฏุฉ ุฌูŠุฏุฉ ู„ู‚ูŠุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ุนู…ู„ูŠุฉ.
06:01
The good leadership with the grassroots pressure.
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ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ุฌูŠุฏุฉ ู…ุน ุงู„ุถุบุท ุงู„ุดุนุจูŠ.
06:04
This is how I see it.
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ู‡ูƒุฐุง ุฃุฑู‰ ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ.
06:06
Otherwise, believe me, we fight.
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ูˆุฅู„ุงุŒ ุตุฏู‚ูŠู†ูŠุŒ ุณู†ุชุตุงุฑุน.
06:09
We killed each other enough.
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ู‚ุชู„ู†ุง ุจุนุถู†ุง ุงู„ุจุนุถ ุจู…ุง ููŠู‡ ุงู„ูƒูุงูŠุฉ.
06:10
No one is going to disappear.
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ู„ู† ูŠุฎุชููŠ ุฃุญุฏ.
06:12
No one is going to give up who he is or his commitment to this land.
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ู„ู† ูŠุชุฎู„ู‰ ุฃุญุฏ ุนู† ู‡ูˆูŠุชู‡ ุฃูˆ ุงู„ุชุฒุงู…ู‡ ุจู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุฃุฑุถ.
06:17
And with my sorrow, it seems like the world doesn't exactly love Jews
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ูˆู…ุน ุญุฒู†ูŠ ุงู„ุนู…ูŠู‚ุŒ ูŠุจุฏูˆ ุฃู† ุงู„ุนุงู„ู… ู„ุง ูŠุญุจ ุงู„ูŠู‡ูˆุฏ ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง
06:23
and the Arabs don't exactly love Palestinians.
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ูˆุงู„ุนุฑุจ ู„ุง ูŠุญุจูˆู† ุงู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠู† ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง.
06:26
We just have each other.
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ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ุจุนุถู†ุง ุงู„ุจุนุถ ูู‚ุท.
06:30
AD: Yeah, thank you for that.
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ุน.ุฏ.: ู†ุนู…ุŒ ุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒ ุนู„ู‰ ุฐู„ูƒ.
ู…ุฑุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰ุŒ ุฃุณุชุทูŠุน ุฃู† ุฃูˆุงูู‚ ุนู„ู‰ ูƒู„ ูƒู„ู…ุฉ ู‚ุงู„ู‡ุง ุนู„ูŠู‘ุŒ
06:32
Again, I can agree with every word that Ali said,
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06:34
so I won't, you know, repeat any of that.
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ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ู„ู†ุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒุฃูƒุฑุฑ ุฃูŠู‹ุง ู…ู† ุฐู„ูƒ.
06:36
I just sort of add a few things.
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ุณุฃุถูŠูู ูู‚ุท ุจุนุถ ุงู„ุฃุดูŠุงุก.
06:38
Maybe just, you know, piggyback a little bit
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ุฑุจู…ุง ูู‚ุทุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูŠู†ุŒ ุฃุณุชู†ุฏู ู‚ู„ูŠู„ู‹ุง
ุนู„ู‰ ุดูŠุก ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ูƒ ู‚ู„ุชู‡ ูŠุง ุนู„ูŠุŒ
06:41
on one thing I think you said, Ali,
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06:43
I think in terms of perception,
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ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ู…ู† ุญูŠุซ ุงู„ุชุตูˆุฑุŒ
06:44
I think perception very often ends up being truth.
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ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุงู„ุชุตูˆุฑ ุบุงู„ุจู‹ุง ูŠู†ุชู‡ูŠ ู„ูŠูƒูˆู† ุงู„ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ.
ุงู„ุชุตูˆุฑ ุงู„ุฐุงุชูŠ ู‡ูˆ ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ ุงู„ูˆุถุน.
06:47
Self-perception is a truth of the situation.
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06:49
In a David and Goliath situation, both sides believe they are David.
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ููŠ ุญุงู„ุฉ ุฏูŠููŠุฏ ูˆุฌุงู„ูˆุชุŒ ูŠุนุชู‚ุฏ ูƒู„ุง ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจูŠู† ุฃู†ู‡ ุฏุงูˆุฏ.
06:54
This is really important.
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ู‡ุฐุง ู…ู‡ู… ุญู‚ู‹ุง ุงู„ุขู†.
06:55
Now, of course, outside people say, well, what do you mean?
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ุทุจุนู‹ุงุŒ ูŠู‚ูˆู„ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุงู„ุฎุงุฑุฌูŠูˆู†ุŒ ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ู…ุงุฐุง ุชู‚ุตุฏุŸ
06:58
Obviously Israel is stronger, etc.
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ุทุจุนู‹ุง ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ ุฃู‚ูˆู‰ุŒ ูˆู…ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ุฐู„ูƒ.
07:00
Absolutely, compared to the Palestinians.
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ุจูƒู„ ุชุฃูƒูŠุฏุŒ ู…ู‚ุงุฑู†ุฉ ุจุงู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠูŠู†.
ูˆู„ูƒู† ุฏุงุฎู„ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู… ุงู„ุนุฑุจูŠ ูˆุงู„ุฅุณู„ุงู…ูŠ ุงู„ุฃูˆุณุน
07:02
But within the broader Arab and Muslim world
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07:04
and within sort of Jewish history,
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ูˆุถู…ู† ู†ูˆุน ู…ู† ุงู„ุชุงุฑูŠุฎ ุงู„ูŠู‡ูˆุฏูŠุŒ
ูุฅู† ุงู„ุชุตูˆุฑ ุงู„ุนู…ูŠู‚ ู„ู„ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ูŠูŠู† ู‡ูˆ ุฃู†ู†ุง ู†ุญู† ุฏูŠููŠุฏุŒ
07:06
the deep perception of Israelis is that we are the David,
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07:09
they are the David versus a Goliath out there.
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ุฅู†ู‡ู… ุฏูŠููŠุฏ ู…ู‚ุงุจู„ ุฌุงู„ูˆุช ู‡ู†ุงูƒ.
07:12
And so this sort of victimhood Olympics gets played all the time:
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ูˆู‡ูƒุฐุง ูŠุชู… ู„ุนุจ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู†ูˆุน ู…ู† ุฃูˆู„ู…ุจูŠุงุฏ ุงู„ุถุญูŠุฉ ุทูˆุงู„ ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช:
07:15
whoโ€™s more of a victim?
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ู…ู† ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุถุญูŠุฉ ุฃูƒุซุฑุŸ
07:17
And that gets pretty tiresome pretty quickly.
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ูŠุตุจุญ ู…ุชุนุจู‹ุง ุฌุฏู‹ุง ุจุณุฑุนุฉ ูƒุจูŠุฑุฉ.
07:19
In the end, we have to all come out of this.
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ููŠ ุงู„ู†ู‡ุงูŠุฉุŒ ุนู„ูŠู†ุง ุฌู…ูŠุนู‹ุง ุงู„ุฎุฑูˆุฌ ู…ู† ู‡ุฐุง.
07:21
Before going on, though,
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ู„ูƒู† ู‚ุจู„ ุงู„ู…ุถูŠ ู‚ุฏู…ู‹ุงุŒ
07:22
I do want to recognize that we're not having this conversation
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ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ุฃู† ุฃุนุชุฑู ุฃู†ู†ุง ู„ุง ู†ุฌุฑูŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู†ู‚ุงุด
07:26
in a vacuum.
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ู…ู† ูุฑุงุบ.
07:27
People are dying in Gaza right now.
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ูŠู…ูˆุชู ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ููŠ ุบุฒุฉ ุงู„ุขู†ุŒ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุฑู‡ุงุฆู† ููŠ ุบุฒุฉ ุงู„ุขู†.
07:29
There are hostages in Gaza right now.
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07:31
The situation is the worst it's been in my lifetime.
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ุงู„ูˆุถุน ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุฃุณูˆุฃ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุดู‡ุฏุชู‡ ููŠ ุญูŠุงุชูŠ.
07:36
And so I think to just acknowledge that the sooner that can end
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ู„ุฐุง ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู‡ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ู‡ู… ูู‚ุท ุฃู† ู†ุนุชุฑู ุฃู†ู‡ ูƒู„ู…ุง ุงู†ุชู‡ู‰ ุฐู„ูƒ ุฃุณุฑุน
07:39
the damage that has been done now,
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ุงู„ุถุฑุฑ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุญุฏุซ ุงู„ุขู†ุŒ
07:43
you know, for the last four months,
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ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูŠู†ุŒ ุฎู„ุงู„ ุงู„ุฃุดู‡ุฑ ุงู„ุฃุฑุจุนุฉ ุงู„ู…ุงุถูŠุฉุŒ
07:45
is going to last lifetimes.
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ุณูŠุณุชู…ุฑ ู…ุฏู‰ ุงู„ุญูŠุงุฉ.
07:47
It's going to be remembered for lifetimes.
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ุณูŠุชู… ุชุฐูƒุฑู‡ ู…ุฏู‰ ุงู„ุญูŠุงุฉ.
07:50
And so the sooner that can stop
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ูˆู„ุฐุงุŒ ูƒู„ู…ุง ูƒุงู† ุจุงู„ุฅู…ูƒุงู† ุฅูŠู‚ุงู ุฐู„ูƒ ู…ุจูƒุฑู‹ุง
07:52
and anyone, anywhere who can do anything to stop it,
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ูˆุฃูŠ ุดุฎุตุŒ ููŠ ุฃูŠ ู…ูƒุงู† ูŠู…ูƒู†ู‡ ูุนู„ ุฃูŠ ุดูŠุก ู„ุฅูŠู‚ุงูู‡ุŒ
07:56
is welcome to contribute to stop it.
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ู…ุฑุญู‘ุจ ุจู‡ ู„ู„ู…ุณุงู‡ู…ุฉ ููŠ ุฅูŠู‚ุงูู‡.
07:57
I mean, the deaths, the killing, the hostage situation has to stop today.
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ุฃุนู†ูŠุŒ ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ุชุชูˆู‚ู ุญุงู„ุงุช ุงู„ูˆููŠุงุช ูˆุงู„ู‚ุชู„ ูˆุญุงู„ุฉ ุงู„ุฑู‡ุงุฆู† ุงู„ูŠูˆู….
08:02
So I just want to acknowledge this is happening right now,
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ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ูู‚ุท ุฃู† ุฃุนุชุฑู ุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ูŠุญุฏุซ ุงู„ุขู†ุŒ
08:05
and it's dire.
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ูˆู‡ูˆ ุฃู…ุฑ ุฑู‡ูŠุจ.
08:08
People are on the verge of starvation in Gaza.
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ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุนู„ู‰ ูˆุดูƒ ุงู„ู…ุฌุงุนุฉ ููŠ ุบุฒุฉุ› ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ุชุตู„ ุงู„ู…ุณุงุนุฏุงุช ุงู„ุขู†.
08:10
Aid has to get in now.
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08:12
So just to sort of acknowledge that.
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ูู‚ุท ู„ู„ุงุนุชุฑุงู ุจุฐู„ูƒ ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ุง.
08:14
Then just a couple of things more,
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ุซู… ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุจุนุถ ุงู„ุฃุดูŠุงุก ุงู„ุฅุถุงููŠุฉุŒ
08:17
You asked about the future, Cloe.
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ู„ู‚ุฏ ุณุฃู„ุชู ุนู† ุงู„ู…ุณุชู‚ุจู„ ูŠุง ูƒู„ูˆูŠุŒ ูˆู„ูƒูŠ ุชู…ุถูŠ ุงู„ุฃู…ูˆุฑ ู‚ุฏู…ู‹ุงุŒ
08:19
For things to move forward,
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08:21
both sides -- and some people hate when you just say the word both sides --
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ูƒู„ุง ุงู„ุทุฑููŠู†ุŒ ูˆูŠูƒุฑู‡ ุจุนุถ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุชู‚ูˆู„ ูƒู„ู…ุฉ ูƒู„ุง ุงู„ุทุฑููŠู† ูู‚ุทุŒ
08:25
well, both sides in this case, all sides,
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ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ูƒู„ุง ุงู„ุทุฑููŠู† ููŠ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุญุงู„ุฉุŒ ุฌู…ูŠุน ุงู„ุฃุทุฑุงูุŒ
08:27
have extremists that are going to make peace very difficult.
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ู„ุฏูŠู‡ุง ู…ุชุทุฑููˆู† ุณูŠุฌุนู„ูˆู† ุงู„ุณู„ุงู… ุตุนุจู‹ุง ู„ู„ุบุงูŠุฉ.
08:32
And they're not just a couple of hundred people.
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ูˆู‡ู… ู„ูŠุณูˆุง ู…ุฌุฑุฏ ุจุถุน ู…ุฆุงุช ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต.
ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู…ุฆุงุช ุงู„ุขู„ุงู ู…ู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ููŠ ูƒู„ ุฌุงู†ุจ
08:34
You know, there are hundreds of thousands of people on each side
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ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ูŠุนุชู‚ุฏูˆู† ุฃู†ู‡ู… ูŠู…ู„ูƒูˆู† ูƒู„ ุงู„ู…ูƒุงู†
08:37
who believe that the whole place belongs to them
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08:39
and are going to make peace difficult.
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ูˆุณูŠุฌุนู„ูˆู† ุชุญู‚ูŠู‚ ุงู„ุณู„ุงู… ุตุนุจู‹ุง.
08:41
And the problem here is that each side has to sideline their own extremists.
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ูˆุงู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ ู‡ู†ุง ู‡ูŠ ุฃู†ู‡ ูŠุชุนูŠู† ุนู„ู‰ ูƒู„ ุทุฑู ุฃู† ูŠูู†ุญู‘ูŠ ุฌุงู†ุจู‹ุง ู…ุชุทุฑููŠู‡.
08:47
Israel, I don't believe, this is my personal view here,
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ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ุŒ ู„ุง ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏุŒ ู‡ุฐู‡ ูˆุฌู‡ุฉ ู†ุธุฑูŠ ุงู„ุดุฎุตูŠุฉ ู‡ู†ุงุŒ
08:50
Israel is not going to defeat Hamas.
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ู„ู† ุชุชู…ูƒู† ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ ู…ู† ู‡ุฒูŠู…ุฉ ุญู…ุงุณ.
08:52
I think Hamas represents an idea.
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ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุญู…ุงุณ ุชู…ุซู„ ููƒุฑุฉ.
08:54
I don't think Hamas can be defeated.
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ู„ุง ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู‡ ูŠู…ูƒู† ู‡ุฒูŠู…ุฉ ุญู…ุงุณ.
08:57
In the same way, it's not for the Palestinians to go
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ูˆุจู†ูุณ ุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉุŒ ู„ูŠุณ ู„ู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠูŠู† ุฃู† ูŠุฐู‡ุจูˆุง
08:59
and defeat the settlers.
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ูˆูŠู‡ุฒู…ูˆุง ุงู„ู…ุณุชูˆุทู†ูŠู†ุ› ู„ุง ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู‡ู… ูŠุณุชุทูŠุนูˆู†.
09:00
I don't think they can.
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09:02
I think that the Jews have to handle their extremists.
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ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู‡ ูŠุชุนูŠู† ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ูŠู‡ูˆุฏ ุงู„ุชุนุงู…ู„ ู…ุน ู…ุชุทุฑููŠู‡ู….
09:05
The Palestinians have to handle their extremists.
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ูŠุฌุจ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠูŠู† ุงู„ุชุนุงู…ู„ ู…ุน ู…ุชุทุฑููŠู‡ู….
09:07
This is really the work that Ali is doing.
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ู‡ุฐุง ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุนู…ู„ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠู‚ูˆู… ุจู‡ ุนู„ูŠ ุญู‚ู‹ุง.
09:10
And that is incredibly, to me, heroic, dealing with your own extremes.
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ุจุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ู„ูŠ ุนู…ู„ ุจุทูˆู„ูŠ ู„ู„ุบุงูŠุฉุŒ ุฃู† ุชุชุนุงู…ู„ ู…ุน ู…ุชุทุฑููŠูƒ.
09:14
Otherwise nothing changes.
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ูˆุฅู„ุง ูู„ู† ูŠุชุบูŠุฑ ุดูŠุก.
09:15
And unless both sides can deal with their extremes,
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ูˆู…ุง ู„ู… ูŠุชู…ูƒู† ูƒู„ุง ุงู„ุทุฑููŠู† ู…ู† ุงู„ุชุนุงู…ู„ ู…ุน ู…ุชุทุฑููŠู‡ู…ุงุŒ
09:19
nothing is going to change here.
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ูู„ู† ูŠุชุบูŠุฑ ุดูŠุก ู‡ู†ุง.
09:24
CSB: Thank you both for that.
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ูƒ.ุด.ุจ.: ุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒู…ุง ุนู„ู‰ ุฐู„ูƒ.
09:25
And Ami, you're sort of touching on this a bit,
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ูˆุฃู†ุช ูŠุง ุนุงู…ูŠ ุชุชู†ุงูˆู„ ู‡ุฐุง ู‚ู„ูŠู„ู‹ุง ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ุงุŒ
09:27
but I think it would be really helpful to hear from both of you
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ู„ูƒู† ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู‡ ุณูŠูƒูˆู† ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ููŠุฏ ุญู‚ู‹ุง ุฃู† ู†ุณู…ุน ู…ู† ูƒู„ูŠูƒู…ุง
09:30
on what you each view as distinctly Israeli
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ุญูˆู„ ู…ุง ูŠุฑุงู‡ ูƒู„ ูˆุงุญุฏ ููŠูƒู…ุง ูƒุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ูŠ ุจู„ุง ุฑูŠุจ
09:32
and distinctly Palestinian responsibilities
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ูˆูƒูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠ ุจู„ุง ุฑูŠุจ ู…ู† ู…ุณุคูˆู„ูŠุงุช
09:35
in this quest for peace.
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ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุณุนูŠ ู„ุชุญู‚ูŠู‚ ุงู„ุณู„ุงู….
09:36
You've mentioned extremists, but what else is there in that?
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ู„ู‚ุฏ ุฐูƒุฑุช ุงู„ู…ุชุทุฑููŠู†ุŒ ูˆู„ูƒู† ู…ุงุฐุง ูŠูˆุฌุฏ ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง ููŠ ุฐู„ูƒุŸ
09:40
And feel free to continue, Ami.
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ูˆู„ุง ุชุชุฑุฏุฏ ููŠ ุงู„ุงุณุชู…ุฑุงุฑ ูŠุง ุนุงู…ูŠ.
09:42
AD: Well, there are two things here.
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ุน.ุฏ.: ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ูŠูˆุฌุฏ ุฃู…ุฑุงู† ู‡ู†ุง.
09:44
Let me actually start with the more abstract one.
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ู„ู†ุจุฏุฃ ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน ุจุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุงู„ุฃูƒุซุฑ ุชุฌุฑูŠุฏู‹ุง.
09:46
I think sometimes people ask, you know, each other,
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ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ูŠุณุฃู„ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุฃุญูŠุงู†ู‹ุงุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูŠู†ุŒ ุจุนุถู‡ู… ุงู„ุจุนุถุŒ
ุฃูˆ ูŠู…ูƒู†ู‡ู… ุฃู† ูŠุณุฃู„ูˆู†ูŠ ููŠ ุจุนุถ ุงู„ุญุงู„ุงุชุŒ ู„ู…ุงุฐุง ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุตุฑุงุน ุจุฑู…ุชู‡ ู…ุณุชุนุตู ุจู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุฏุฑุฌุฉุŸ
09:49
or they can ask me in some cases, why is this whole conflict so intractable?
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09:54
And I think there are two answers.
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ูˆุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุฅุฌุงุจุชูŠู†.
09:55
One answer is sort of the obvious one,
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ุฅุญุฏู‰ ุงู„ุฅุฌุงุจุงุช ู‡ูŠ ู†ูˆุน ู…ู† ุงู„ุฅุฌุงุจุฉ ุงู„ูˆุงุถุญุฉุŒ
09:57
which is that you have a piece of land [that] the two groups want.
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ูˆู‡ูŠ ุฃู† ู„ุฏูŠูƒ ู‚ุทุนุฉ ุฃุฑุถ ูŠุฑูŠุฏู‡ุง ูƒู„ุง ุงู„ุทุฑููŠู†.
10:02
And this is not a border dispute,
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ู„ูŠุณ ู†ุฒุงุนู‹ุง ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุญุฏูˆุฏุŒ
10:03
this is something relatively rare in the world.
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ู‡ุฐุง ุดูŠุก ู†ุงุฏุฑ ู†ุณุจูŠู‹ุง ููŠ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู….
ู„ุฏูŠูƒ ูˆุถุน ุญูŠุซ ูŠุนุชู‚ุฏ ู‚ุณู… ูƒุจูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุทุฑููŠู†
10:06
You have a situation where large portions of two groups believe
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ุฃู† ูƒู„ ุดูŠุก ู‡ูˆ ู…ู„ูƒ ู„ู‡ู…ุŒ
10:10
that the whole thing is theirs,
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10:11
and that the other one should just basically leave
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ูˆุฃู† ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุทุฑู ุงู„ุขุฎุฑ ุฃู† ูŠุบุงุฏุฑ ุจุจุณุงุทุฉ
ุฃูˆ ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ู…ูˆุงุทู†ุฉ ุฃู‚ู„ ุฃู‡ู…ูŠุฉ.
10:14
or be second-class citizens.
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10:15
So it's a fight about the whole thing.
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ู„ุฐุง ูู‡ูˆ ุตุฑุงุน ุญูˆู„ ูƒู„ ุดูŠุก.
ูˆุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ุฌุฒุก ุณู‡ู„ ุงู„ุชูุณูŠุฑ ู†ุณุจูŠู‹ุง.
10:18
And that part is relatively easy to explain.
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ู„ุฏูŠูƒ ุตุฑุงุน ุญูˆู„ ู‚ุทุนุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃุฑุถ.
10:20
You have a fight over a piece of land.
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10:21
It doesn't help that on both sides you have substantial numbers of people
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ูˆู„ุง ูŠุณุงุนุฏ ุฃู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุฃุนุฏุงุฏู‹ุง ูƒุจูŠุฑุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ููŠ ูƒู„ุง ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจูŠู†
10:25
who believe that God is literally on their side.
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ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ูŠุนุชู‚ุฏูˆู† ุฃู† ุงู„ู„ู‡ ูŠู‚ู ุฅู„ู‰ ุฌุงู†ุจู‡ู… ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง.
10:28
That doesn't help.
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ุฐู„ูƒ ู„ุง ูŠุณุงุนุฏ.
10:29
You know, I tell people sometimes
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ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ุฃู‚ูˆู„ ู„ู„ู†ุงุณ ุฃุญูŠุงู†ู‹ุง
10:31
that Jews and Palestinians get along in Brooklyn
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ุฃู† ุงู„ูŠู‡ูˆุฏ ูˆุงู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠูŠู† ูŠุชุนุงูŠุดูˆู† ููŠ ุจุฑูˆูƒู„ูŠู†
10:34
because no one believes that God gave Brooklyn to them, right?
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ู„ุฃู† ู„ุง ุฃุญุฏ ูŠุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุงู„ู„ู‡ ู…ู†ุญ ุจุฑูˆูƒู„ูŠู† ู„ู‡ู…ุŒ ุฃู„ูŠุณ ูƒุฐู„ูƒุŸ
10:37
And so whereas here, you literally have a situation
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ูˆู‡ูƒุฐุง ุจูŠู†ู…ุง ู‡ู†ุงุŒ ู„ุฏูŠูƒ ูุนู„ูŠู‹ุง ูˆุถุน
10:39
where people believe that God is on their side, that's not helpful.
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ุญูŠุซ ูŠุนุชู‚ุฏ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุฃู† ุงู„ู„ู‡ ูŠู‚ู ุฅู„ู‰ ุฌุงู†ุจู‡ู…ุŒ ูุฐู„ูƒ ู„ุง ูŠุณุงุนุฏ.
10:42
The part that's, I think, tougher, there's this conflict of narratives.
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ุงู„ุฌุฒุก ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู‡ ุฃุตุนุจุŒ ู‡ูˆ ูˆุฌูˆุฏ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุตุฑุงุน ุจูŠู† ุงู„ุณุฑุฏูŠุงุช.
10:47
Both sides have a narrative
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ู„ุฏู‰ ูƒู„ุง ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจูŠู† ุณุฑุฏ
10:50
of why they are the ones that sort of should own this place,
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ู„ู…ุงุฐุง ู‡ู… ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ูŠู†ุจุบูŠ ุฃู† ูŠู…ู„ูƒูˆู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ูƒุงู†ุŒ
10:53
the narrative that you believe, the narrative you are drawn to,
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ุงู„ุณุฑุฏ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุชุคู…ู†ูˆู† ุจู‡ุŒ ุงู„ุณุฑุฏ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุชู†ุฌุฐุจูˆู† ุฅู„ูŠู‡ุŒ
10:56
the narrative you support,
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ุงู„ุณุฑุฏ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุชุฏุนู…ูˆู†ู‡ุŒ
10:57
honestly, very often happens to be literally the first one you heard,
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ุตุฑุงุญุฉุŒ ุบุงู„ุจู‹ุง ู…ุง ุชูƒูˆู† ุงู„ุณุฑุฏูŠุฉ ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุณู…ุนูˆู†ู‡ุง ุฃูˆู„ู‹ุงุŒ
11:01
whether from your parents, your family, your nation or a friend,
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ุณูˆุงุก ู…ู† ุฃูˆู„ูŠุงุก ุฃู…ูˆุฑูƒู… ุฃูˆ ุนุงุฆู„ุงุชูƒู… ุฃูˆ ุดุนูˆุจูƒู… ุฃูˆ ุฃุตุฏู‚ุงุฆูƒู…ุŒ
11:05
you heard that narrative.
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ุณู…ุนุชู… ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุณุฑุฏูŠุฉ.
11:06
Both narratives sound good
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ูŠุจุฏูˆ ูƒู„ุง ุงู„ุณุฑุฏูŠู† ุฌูŠุฏูŠู† ู„ุฃู† ูƒู„ูŠู‡ู…ุง ุดุฑุนูŠูŠู†.
11:09
because both narratives are legitimate.
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11:12
And until enough people on both sides agree
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ูˆุญุชู‰ ูŠุชูู‚ ุนุฏุฏ ูƒุงูู ู…ู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ู…ู† ูƒู„ุง ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจูŠู†
11:16
that the narrative of the other side has some merit,
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ุฃู† ู„ุฏู‰ ุณุฑุฏูŠุฉ ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจ ุงู„ุขุฎุฑ ุจุนุถ ุงู„ุฌุฏุงุฑุฉุŒ
11:19
we don't get anywhere.
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ู„ู† ู†ุตู„ ุฅู„ู‰ ุฃูŠ ู…ูƒุงู†.
11:21
And this is, I think, what Ali was referring to earlier,
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ูˆู‡ุฐุงุŒ ุนู„ู‰ ู…ุง ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏุŒ ู…ุง ูƒุงู† ุนู„ูŠ ูŠุดูŠุฑ ุฅู„ูŠู‡ ุณุงุจู‚ู‹ุงุŒ
11:23
seeing that there are two peoples here.
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ุฑุคูŠุฉ ุฃู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุดุนุจูŠู† ู‡ู†ุง.
11:25
And yes, you can argue forever on what happened 100 years ago,
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ูˆู†ุนู…ุŒ ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ุงู„ุฌุฏุงู„ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃุจุฏ ุญูˆู„ ู…ุง ุญุฏุซ ู‚ุจู„ 100 ุนุงู…ุŒ
11:29
200 years ago, etc.
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ูˆู‚ุจู„ 200 ุนุงู…ุŒ ุฅู„ู‰ ุขุฎุฑู‡.
11:31
I don't find those arguments helpful anymore.
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ู„ู… ุฃุนุฏ ุฃุฌุฏ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุญุฌุฌ ู…ููŠุฏุฉ ุจุนุฏ ุงู„ุขู†.
11:33
We're here, we're stuck, we have to move forward.
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ู†ุญู† ู‡ู†ุง ุนุงู„ู‚ูˆู†ุŒ ูˆุนู„ูŠู†ุง ุงู„ู…ุถูŠ ู‚ุฏู…ู‹ุง.
11:36
We can acknowledge what happened.
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ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ุง ุงู„ุงุนุชุฑุงู ุจู…ุง ุญุฏุซ.
ุซู… ุฃุฎูŠุฑู‹ุง ูƒู„ูˆูŠุŒ ุญูˆู„ ุณุคุงู„ูƒ ุนู† ุงู„ู…ุณุคูˆู„ูŠุงุชุŒ
11:38
And then lastly, Cloe, to your question about responsibilities,
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ู…ู† ุงู„ูˆุงุถุญ ุฃู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุงุญุชู„ุงู„ู‹ุง ุชู…ุชู„ูƒ ููŠู‡ ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ ุงู„ูŠุฏ ุงู„ุนู„ูŠุง.
11:41
obviously there's an occupation that Israel has the upper hand.
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11:44
At the same time, and last thing Iโ€™ll say about perception,
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ููŠ ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช ู†ูุณู‡ุŒ ูˆุขุฎุฑ ุดูŠุก ุณุฃู‚ูˆู„ู‡ ุนู† ุงู„ุชุตูˆุฑุŒ
11:48
and I hope this can make sense to some people,
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ูˆุฃุชู…ู†ู‰ ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ู‡ุฐุง ู…ู†ุทู‚ูŠู‹ุง ู„ุจุนุถ ุงู„ู†ุงุณุŒ
11:51
the occupation is perceived very differently
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ูŠูู†ุธุฑ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุงุญุชู„ุงู„ ุจุดูƒู„ ู…ุฎุชู„ู ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง
11:56
by many or most Palestinians and their supporters
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ู…ู† ู‚ุจู„ ุงู„ุนุฏูŠุฏ ุฃูˆ ู…ุนุธู… ุงู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠูŠู† ูˆุฏุงุนู…ูŠู‡ู…
11:59
and many, many Israelis.
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ูˆุงู„ุนุฏูŠุฏุŒ ุงู„ุนุฏูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ูŠูŠู†.
12:01
There's an interesting sort of metaphor
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ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู†ูˆุน ู…ุซูŠุฑ ู„ู„ุงู‡ุชู…ุงู… ู…ู† ุงู„ุงุณุชุนุงุฑุฉ
12:02
that I think works really nicely, of two people wrestling,
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู‡ุง ุชุนู…ู„ ุจุดูƒู„ ุฌูŠุฏ ุฌุฏู‹ุง ุนู† ุดุฎุตูŠู† ูŠุชุตุงุฑุนุงู†ุŒ
12:06
and one of those two people basically has the advantage,
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ูˆู„ุฏู‰ ุฃุญุฏ ู‡ุฐูŠู† ุงู„ุดุฎุตูŠู† ุงู„ุฃูุถู„ูŠุฉ ุฃุณุงุณู‹ุงุŒ
12:09
is physically stronger
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ู‡ูˆ ุฃู‚ูˆู‰ ุฌุณุฏูŠู‹ุงุŒ ูˆู‡ูˆ ููŠ ุงู„ุฃุณุงุณ ุงู„ุดุฎุต ุงู„ุฃุนู„ู‰ุŒ ุฃู„ูŠุณ ูƒุฐู„ูƒุŸ
12:10
and is essentially the one on top, right?
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12:12
So I'm basically pinning you down.
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ู„ุฐุง ุฃู†ุง ููŠ ุงู„ุฃุณุงุณ ุฃุถุบุท ุนู„ูŠูƒ.
12:14
And that metaphor for the occupation
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ูˆุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุงุณุชุนุงุฑุฉ ู„ู„ุงุญุชู„ุงู„
12:17
works in a sense of Israel is the one that's pinning down the Palestinians.
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ุชุนู…ู„ ุจู…ุนู†ู‰ ุฃู† ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ ู‡ูŠ ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุถุบุท ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠูŠู†.
12:21
You know, it's the oppressor state, if you like.
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ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ุฅู†ู‡ุง ุฏูˆู„ุฉ ุงู„ู‚ู…ุนุŒ ุฅุฐุง ุฌุงุฒ ู„ูƒู… ุงู„ุชุนุจูŠุฑ.
12:23
And if you take that model,
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ูˆุฅุฐุง ุฃุฎุฐุชู… ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู†ู…ูˆุฐุฌุŒ ูุฅู† ู‡ุฐุง ูŠู†ุชู‡ูŠ ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ูŠู†ู‡ุถ ุงู„ู‚ุงู…ุน.
12:25
then this ends when the oppressor gets up
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12:29
and releases the one that is underneath, right?
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ูˆูŠุญุฑุฑ ุงู„ุดุฎุต ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูƒุงู† ุชุญุช ุงู„ุถุบุทุŒ ุฃู„ูŠุณ ูƒุฐู„ูƒุŸ
12:31
That's that sort of basic metaphor.
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ุชู„ูƒ ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุงุณุชุนุงุฑุฉ ุงู„ุฃุณุงุณูŠุฉ ุฅู„ู‰ ุญุฏ ู…ุง.
12:33
And that's the Palestinian perception and supporters of the Palestinians.
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ูˆุฐู„ูƒ ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุชุตูˆุฑ ุงู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠ ูˆุงู„ุฏุงุนู…ูŠู† ู„ู‡ู….
12:36
If Israel simply stops occupying, the occupation ends.
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ุฅุฐุง ุชูˆู‚ูุช ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ ุจุจุณุงุทุฉ ุนู† ุงู„ุงุญุชู„ุงู„ุŒ ูŠู†ุชู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุงุญุชู„ุงู„.
12:40
The Israeli perception, not everyone, of course,
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ุงู„ุชุตูˆุฑ ุงู„ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ูŠุŒ ู„ูŠุณ ู„ุฏู‰ ุงู„ุฌู…ูŠุน ุจุงู„ุทุจุนุŒ
12:44
is that, yes, one is sort of, you know, pinning the other down,
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ู‡ูŠ ุฃู†ุŒ ุฃูŠ ู†ุนู…ุŒ ุฃุญุฏู‡ู… ุจุดูƒู„ ู…ุงุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ูŠุถุบุท ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุขุฎุฑุŒ
12:47
but that the one that's lying underneath has a knife in their hand.
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ู„ูƒู† ุงู„ุดุฎุต ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠู‚ุน ุชุญุช ุงู„ุถุบุท ูŠุญู…ู„ ุณูƒูŠู†ู‹ุง ููŠ ูŠุฏู‡.
12:51
And so if I let you go, you will stab me.
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ู„ุฐุง ุฅุฐุง ุณู…ุญุช ู„ูƒ ุจุงู„ุฑุญูŠู„ุŒ ุณุชุทุนู†ู†ูŠ.
12:54
And this is why, this is very specifically why, October 7 was so destructive.
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุณุจุจ ุชุญุฏูŠุฏู‹ุง ููŠ ุฃู† 7 ุชุดุฑูŠู† ุงู„ุฃูˆู„/ ุฃูƒุชูˆุจุฑ ูƒุงู† ู…ุฏู…ุฑู‹ุง ู„ู„ุบุงูŠุฉ.
13:00
Because it "proved" to those people
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ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ุฃุซุจุช ู„ุฃูˆู„ุฆูƒ ุงู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต
13:02
who believe if you just let go, they will stab you,
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ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ูŠุนุชู‚ุฏูˆู† ุฃู†ู‡ ุฅุฐุง ุชุฑูƒุชู‡ู…ุŒ ุณูŠุทุนู†ูˆู†ูƒุŒ
13:04
that in fact, they will.
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ูˆุฃู†ู‡ู… ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน ุณูŠูุนู„ูˆู† ุฐู„ูƒ.
13:06
And so you get into this whole thing of how can we allow, you know,
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ูˆู‡ูƒุฐุง ุชุชู†ุงูˆู„ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุจุฑู…ุชู‡ ุนู† ูƒูŠู ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ุง ุงู„ุณู…ุงุญุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ
13:10
a Palestinian state in the West Bank, two minutes from the airport, etc.
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ุจุฏูˆู„ุฉ ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ุถูุฉ ุงู„ุบุฑุจูŠุฉุŒ ูˆุนู„ู‰ ุจุนุฏ ุฏู‚ูŠู‚ุชูŠู† ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุทุงุฑุŒ ูˆู…ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ุฐู„ูƒุŒ
13:14
if they will lob missiles from there?
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ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู†ูˆุง ุณูŠุทู„ู‚ูˆู† ุงู„ุตูˆุงุฑูŠุฎ ู…ู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒุŸ
13:16
So there's a mutual responsibility
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ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู…ุณุคูˆู„ูŠุฉ ู…ุชุจุงุฏู„ุฉ
13:18
because unless the perceived threat of violence and death is removed,
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ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ู…ุง ู„ู… ุชุชู… ุฅุฒุงู„ุฉ ุงู„ุชู‡ุฏูŠุฏ ุงู„ู…ู„ุญูˆุธ ู„ู„ุนู†ู ูˆุงู„ู…ูˆุชุŒ
13:24
you're not going to sort of let go.
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ูู„ู† ุชุชุฑูƒู‡ ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ุง.
13:26
And so it has to come together.
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ูˆู„ุฐุง ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ูŠุชูˆุญุฏ ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ.
13:28
There has to be, on the one hand, Israel, from my point of view,
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ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู…ู† ุฌู‡ุฉุŒ ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ุŒ ู…ู† ูˆุฌู‡ุฉ ู†ุธุฑูŠุŒ
13:31
and this is where Israelis can get mad,
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ูˆู‡ู†ุง ูŠู…ูƒู† ู„ู„ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ูŠูŠู† ุฃู† ูŠุบุถุจูˆุงุŒ
ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ ู„ู… ุชุจุฐู„ ุฌู‡ุฏู‹ุง ู…ุฎู„ุตู‹ุง ู„ุชู‚ูˆู„ุŒ ุฏุนูˆู†ุง ู†ู†ู‡ูŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุญู‚ู‹ุง.
13:33
I think Israel has not made a good-faith effort to say, letโ€™s end this thing truly.
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13:38
A good-faith effort would mean no more settlements, for example,
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ุฌู‡ุฏ ู…ุฎู„ุต ูŠุนู†ูŠ ุนุฏู… ุจู†ุงุก ุงู„ู…ุฒูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุณุชูˆุทู†ุงุชุŒ ุนู„ู‰ ุณุจูŠู„ ุงู„ู…ุซุงู„ุŒ
13:41
as we have in the last 50 years.
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ูƒู…ุง ูุนู„ู†ุง ููŠ 50 ุณู†ุฉ ุงู„ู…ุงุถูŠุฉ.
ุฏุนูˆู†ุง ุญู‚ู‹ุง ู†ุฌุฏ ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ู„ุฅู†ู‡ุงุก ู‡ุฐุงุŒ ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุชูุดุงุฑูƒ ููŠู‡ุง ุงู„ู‚ุฏุณุŒ
13:43
Let's truly find a way to end this, a way in which Jerusalem is shared,
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13:46
in which we truly can live together in some way,
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ุจุญูŠุซ ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ุง ุญู‚ู‹ุง ุฃู† ู†ุนูŠุด ู…ุนู‹ุง ุจุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ู…ุงุŒ
13:49
two states, one, I don't really care.
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ุฏูˆู„ุชูŠู†ุŒ ุฏูˆู„ุฉ ูˆุงุญุฏุฉุŒ ู„ุง ูŠู‡ู…ู†ูŠ ุญู‚ู‹ุง.
ุณู†ู‚ูˆู… ุจุฌู‡ุฏู ุตุงุฏู‚ุŒ ุฌู‡ุฏู‹ุง ุตุงุฏู‚ู‹ุง ุญู‚ู‹ุง.
13:51
We'll make a good-faith effort,
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13:52
truly a good-faith effort.
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13:53
And then Palestinians can make their own sort of effort.
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ูˆู…ู† ุซู… ูŠู…ูƒู† ู„ู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠูŠู† ุจุฐู„ ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ู† ุงู„ุฌู‡ุฏ ุงู„ุฎุงุต ุจู‡ู….
13:56
So, it's complicated.
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ู„ุฐู„ูƒุŒ ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ู…ุนู‚ุฏุŒ ูˆูŠุชุทู„ุจ ูƒู„ูŠู‡ู…ุง.
13:57
It requires both.
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13:59
One side can't do this.
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ู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู† ู„ุทุฑู ูˆุงุญุฏ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจุฐู„ูƒ.
14:01
AAA: Makes a lot of sense.
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ุน. ุฃ. ุน.: ู‡ุฐุง ู…ู†ุทู‚ูŠ ุฌุฏู‹ุง.
14:02
I mean, what I feel like adding to what Ami just said,
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ุฃุนู†ูŠุŒ ู…ุง ุฃูˆุฏ ุฅุถุงูุชู‡ ุฅู„ู‰ ู…ุง ู‚ุงู„ู‡ ุนุงู…ูŠ ู„ู„ุชูˆุŒ
14:08
I think we have to start from the deep, deep roots of the problem.
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ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู†ุง ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ู†ุจุฏุฃ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฌุฐูˆุฑ ุงู„ุนู…ูŠู‚ุฉุŒ ุงู„ุนู…ูŠู‚ุฉ ู„ู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ.
14:13
First of all, both sides have to describe the problem right.
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ุฃูˆู„ุงู‹ ูˆู‚ุจู„ ูƒู„ ุดูŠุกุŒ ูŠุฌุจ ุนู„ู‰ ูƒู„ุง ุงู„ุทุฑููŠู† ุฃู† ูŠุตูุง ุงู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ ุจุดูƒู„ ุตุญูŠุญ.
14:18
Because half way to the solution is the right description to the problem.
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ู„ุฃู† ู…ู†ุชุตู ุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุญู„ ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ูˆุตู ุงู„ุตุญูŠุญ ู„ู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ.
14:24
The description of the problem is all about the other side.
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ูˆุตู ุงู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ ูŠุชุนู„ู‚ ุจุงู„ุทุฑู ุงู„ุขุฎุฑ ุจุงู„ูƒุงู…ู„.
14:28
No, the problem is also us.
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ู„ุงุŒ ุงู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ ู‡ูŠ ู†ุญู† ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง.
14:30
Each one has to look in the mirror
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ูŠุฌุจ ุนู„ู‰ ูƒู„ ุทุฑู ุฃู† ูŠู†ุธุฑ ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุฑุขุฉ
14:32
and see where they fail to achieve peaceful future for their kids
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ูˆุฃู† ูŠุฑู‰ ุฃูŠู† ูุดู„ูˆุง ููŠ ุชุญู‚ูŠู‚ ู…ุณุชู‚ุจู„ ุณู„ู…ูŠ ู„ุฃุทูุงู„ู‡ู…
14:39
at least.
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ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃู‚ู„.
14:40
And this is very hard, painful lesson
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ุฏุฑุณ ุตุนุจ ูˆู…ุคู„ู… ู„ู„ุบุงูŠุฉ
14:44
because you cannot ask a victim to judge himself
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ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ุฃู† ุชุทู„ุจ ู…ู† ุงู„ุถุญูŠุฉ ุฃู† ูŠุญูƒู… ุนู„ู‰ ู†ูุณู‡
14:47
because it's much easier to judge the other,
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ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃุณู‡ู„ ุจูƒุซูŠุฑ ุฃู† ู†ุญูƒู… ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุขุฎุฑุŒ
14:49
but not to judge ourselves.
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ู„ูƒู† ู„ูŠุณ ุณู‡ู„ู‹ุง ุฃู† ู†ุญูƒู… ุนู„ู‰ ุฃู†ูุณู†ุง.
14:51
Number two, we need a clear vision.
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ุซุงู†ูŠุงู‹ุŒ ู†ุญุชุงุฌู ุฅู„ู‰ ุฑุคูŠุฉ ูˆุงุถุญุฉ.
14:54
What is our vision of solution?
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ู…ุง ู‡ูŠ ุฑุคูŠุชู†ุง ู„ู„ุญู„ุŸ
14:56
And when I say a vision,
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ูˆุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุฃู‚ูˆู„ ุฑุคูŠุฉุŒ
14:57
I don't mean one state, two state, three states.
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ู„ุง ุฃู‚ุตุฏ ุฏูˆู„ุฉ ูˆุงุญุฏุฉุŒ ุฏูˆู„ุชูŠู†ุŒ ุซู„ุงุซ ุฏูˆู„.
15:00
Any politician or any group of people, leaders,
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ุฃูŠ ุณูŠุงุณูŠ ุฃูˆ ุฃูŠ ู…ุฌู…ูˆุนุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต ูˆุงู„ู‚ุงุฏุฉุŒ
15:04
[who] will put both identities in a place of harmony
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ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุณูŠุถุน ูƒู„ุง ุงู„ู‡ูˆูŠุชูŠู† ููŠ ู…ูƒุงู† ู…ู† ุงู„ุชู†ุงุบู…
15:10
and that can function in a way that will give everyone
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ูˆูŠู…ูƒู† ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุฃู† ูŠุนู…ู„ ุจุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุชู…ู†ุญ ุงู„ุฌู…ูŠุน
15:16
the chance to practice who they are
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ุงู„ูุฑุตุฉ ู„ู…ู…ุงุฑุณุฉ ู…ูŽู† ู‡ู… ุฏูˆู† ุชูƒูˆูŠู† ุฃููƒุงุฑู‡ู…
15:18
without building their ideology
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15:21
or security or freedom on the other side's expense,
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ุฃูˆ ุงู„ุฃู…ู† ุฃูˆ ุงู„ุญุฑูŠุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุญุณุงุจ ุงู„ุทุฑู ุงู„ุขุฎุฑุŒ
15:24
he will be my hero.
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ุณูŠูƒูˆู† ุจูŽุทู„ูŠ.
15:26
One state, two state, federal solution, 100 state,
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ุฏูˆู„ุฉ ูˆุงุญุฏุฉุŒ ุฏูˆู„ุชุงู†ุŒ ุญู„ ุงุชุญุงุฏูŠ ูุฏุฑุงู„ูŠุŒ 100 ุฏูˆู„ุฉุŒ
15:29
this is not the question.
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ู„ูŠุณุช ู‡ุฐู‡ ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ู…ุณุฃู„ุฉ.
15:31
The question will be to the mission, which is number three.
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ุณุชุชุนู„ู‚ ุงู„ู…ุณุฃู„ุฉ ุจุงู„ู…ู‡ู…ุฉุŒ ุงู„ุชูŠ ู‡ูŠ ุฑู‚ู… ุซู„ุงุซุฉ.
15:34
The mission has to be creating an environment
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ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู† ุงู„ู…ู‡ู…ุฉ ู‡ูŠ ุฅุญุฏุงุซ ุจูŠุฆุฉ
15:37
where solutions are possible
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ุญูŠุซ ุชูƒูˆู† ุงู„ุญู„ูˆู„ ู…ู…ูƒู†ุฉ ู„ุฃู† ูƒู„ ุดูŠุก ุงู„ูŠูˆู… ู…ุณุชุญูŠู„.
15:39
because today everything is impossible.
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15:42
The only possible thing is to fight.
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ุงู„ุดูŠุก ุงู„ูˆุญูŠุฏ ุงู„ู…ู…ูƒู† ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ู‚ุชุงู„.
ู„ูƒู† ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ู†ู†ุธุฑ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃู…ุงู… ูˆุนู†ุฏู…ุง ู†ู†ุธุฑ ุฃุจุนุฏุŒ
15:45
But when we look forward and when we look further,
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15:49
we don't see ...
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ู„ุง ู†ุฑู‰...
15:50
We just see graves.
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ู†ุญู† ู†ุฑู‰ ุงู„ู‚ุจูˆุฑ ูู‚ุท.
15:51
We don't see any kind of normal environment.
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ู†ุญู† ู„ุง ู†ุฑู‰ ุฃูŠ ู†ูˆุน ู…ู† ุงู„ุจูŠุฆุฉ ุงู„ุนุงุฏูŠุฉ.
15:57
Then the homework to do is through social change
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ุฅุฐู† ุงู„ูˆุงุฌุจ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠุฌุจ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจู‡ ู‡ูˆ ู…ู† ุฎู„ุงู„ ุงู„ุชุบูŠูŠุฑ ุงู„ุงุฌุชู…ุงุนูŠ.
16:01
that has to be created to lead for political change,
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ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ูŠุชู… ุฅุญุฏุงุซู‡ ู„ู‚ูŠุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ุชุบูŠูŠุฑ ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณูŠุŒ
16:05
because there are values
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ู„ุฃู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู‚ูŠู…ู‹ุง
16:07
that we need to build in our own societies.
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ู†ุญุชุงุฌ ุฅู„ู‰ ุชุดูƒูŠู„ู‡ุง ููŠ ู…ุฌุชู…ุนุงุชู†ุง ุงู„ุฎุงุตุฉ.
16:11
We clean up trash from streets.
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ู†ู‚ูˆู… ุจุชู†ุธูŠู ุงู„ู‚ู…ุงู…ุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ุดูˆุงุฑุน.
16:13
Then people say what [does] this have to do with the occupation?
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ุซู… ูŠู‚ูˆู„ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ู…ุง ุนู„ุงู‚ุฉ ู‡ุฐุง ุจุงู„ุงุญุชู„ุงู„ุŸ
16:17
It's all about to do with the occupation.
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ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ูƒู„ู‡ ูŠุชุนู„ู‚ ุจุงู„ุงุญุชู„ุงู„.
16:20
Because what's the connection between the trash on the streets,
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ู„ุฃู† ู…ุง ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุนู„ุงู‚ุฉ ุจูŠู† ุงู„ู‚ู…ุงู…ุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ุดูˆุงุฑุนุŒ
16:24
if we want statehood,
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ุฅุฐุง ูƒู†ุง ู†ุฑูŠุฏ ุฅู‚ุงู…ุฉ ุฏูˆู„ุฉุŒ
16:25
if we want an independent, democratic,
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ุฅุฐุง ูƒู†ุง ู†ุฑูŠุฏ ู…ุฌุชู…ุนู‹ุง ู…ุณุชู‚ู„ู‹ุง ูˆุฏูŠู…ู‚ุฑุงุทูŠู‹ุง ูˆู†ุธูŠูู‹ุง ูˆุงู„ุงุญุชู„ุงู„ุŒ
16:28
clean society and the occupation,
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16:31
we have to be free.
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ุนู„ูŠู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ูƒูˆู† ุฃุญุฑุงุฑู‹ุง.
16:32
Because no one will free us as long as we are making an excuse
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ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ู„ุง ุฃุญุฏ ุณูŠุญุฑุฑู†ุง ุทุงู„ู…ุง ุฃู†ู†ุง ู†ุถุน ุงู„ุนูุฐุฑ
16:37
to destroy ourselves
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ู„ุชุฏู…ูŠุฑ ุฃู†ูุณู†ุง
16:39
and give the occupation even legitimacy to destroy us more and more.
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ูˆู†ู…ู†ุญ ุงู„ุงุญุชู„ุงู„ ุญุชู‰ ุงู„ุดุฑุนูŠุฉ ู„ุชุฏู…ูŠุฑู†ุง ุฃูƒุซุฑ ูุฃูƒุซุฑ.
16:43
So this is a self lead and a self responsibility.
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ู„ุฐุง ูู‡ุฐู‡ ู‚ูŠุงุฏุฉ ุฐุงุชูŠุฉ ูˆู…ุณุคูˆู„ูŠุฉ ุฐุงุชูŠุฉ.
16:47
On the other hand,
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ู…ู† ู†ุงุญูŠุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰ุŒ
16:48
I have been saying, my biggest enemy are not the Jews,
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ูƒู†ุช ุฃู‚ูˆู„ ุฏุงุฆู…ู‹ุงุŒ ุฃุนุธู… ุฃุนุฏุงุฆูŠ ู„ูŠุณูˆุง ุงู„ูŠู‡ูˆุฏุŒ
16:53
our biggest enemy are not the Jewish people.
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ุนุฏูˆู†ุง ุงู„ุฃูƒุจุฑ ู„ูŠุณ ุงู„ุดุนุจ ุงู„ูŠู‡ูˆุฏูŠ.
16:55
Itโ€™s the fear of the Jews that costs us a price of our dignity and freedom.
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ุฅู†ู‡ ุงู„ุฎูˆู ู…ู† ุงู„ูŠู‡ูˆุฏ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠูƒู„ูู†ุง ุซู…ู† ูƒุฑุงู…ุชู†ุง ูˆุญุฑูŠุชู†ุง.
17:00
So Jewish people have to heal also their own fear
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ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ูŠุฌุจ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุดุนุจ ุงู„ูŠู‡ูˆุฏูŠ ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง ุฃู† ูŠุชุนุงูู‰ ู…ู† ุฎูˆูู‡ ุงู„ุฎุงุต.
17:04
and understand that the Holocaust is over.
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ูˆุฃู† ูŠูู‡ู…ูˆุง ุฃู† ุงู„ู…ุญุฑู‚ุฉ ุงู„ู†ุงุฒูŠุฉุŒ ุงู„ู‡ูˆู„ูˆูƒูˆุณุชุŒ ู‚ุฏ ุงู†ุชู‡ุช.
17:07
Itโ€™s over, and never again.
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ู„ู‚ุฏ ุงู†ุชู‡ุช ูˆู„ู† ุชุชูƒุฑุฑ ุฃุจุฏู‹ุง.
17:09
And Palestinians have to say that, never again,
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ูˆุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠูŠู† ู‚ูˆู„ ุฐู„ูƒุŒ ู„ู† ุชุชูƒุฑุฑ ุฃุจุฏู‹ุงุŒ
17:12
before Jews say that.
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ู‚ุจู„ ุฃู† ูŠู‚ูˆู„ ุงู„ูŠู‡ูˆุฏ ุฐู„ูƒ.
17:14
Because this crime should not be allowed anymore
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ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ู„ุง ูŠู†ุจุบูŠ ุงู„ุณู…ุงุญ ุจู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุฌุฑูŠู…ุฉ ุจุนุฏ ุงู„ุขู†
17:18
for any human being on Earth, not just for Jews, for everyone,
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ู„ุฃูŠ ุฅู†ุณุงู† ุนู„ู‰ ูˆุฌู‡ ุงู„ุฃุฑุถุŒ ู„ูŠุณ ูู‚ุท ู„ู„ูŠู‡ูˆุฏุŒ ุจู„ ู„ู„ุฌู…ูŠุนุŒ
17:21
for the people in Gaza, for the people in Sderot, for everyone.
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ู„ุฃู‡ู„ ุบุฒุฉ ูˆู„ุฃู‡ู„ ุณุฏูŠุฑูˆุช ูˆู„ู„ุฌู…ูŠุน.
17:25
If we are really solution-makers.
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ุฅุฐุง ูƒู†ุง ุญู‚ู‹ุง ุตุงู†ุนูŠ ุงู„ุญู„ูˆู„.
17:27
Finally, this environment will be led
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ุฃุฎูŠุฑู‹ุงุŒ ุณูŠุชู… ู‚ูŠุงุฏุฉ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุจูŠุฆุฉ
17:32
and labeled by nonviolence
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ูˆุณูŠุชู… ุชุตู†ูŠูู‡ุง ุชุญุช ุดุนุงุฑ ุงู„ู„ุงุนู†ู
17:34
because nonviolence can promote every solution for every need
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ู„ุฃู† ุงู„ู„ุงุนู†ู ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ูŠุนุฒุฒ ูƒู„ ุญู„ ู„ูƒู„ ุญุงุฌุฉ
17:39
in the society.
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ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุฌุชู…ุน.
ู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ุจุฏุฃ ุจุงู„ู…ุตุงู„ุญุฉ.
17:42
We cannot start with reconciliation.
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17:44
Listen, we don't love each other.
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ุงุณู…ุนูˆุงุŒ ู†ุญู† ู„ุง ู†ุญุจ ุจุนุถู†ุง ุงู„ุจุนุถุŒ ู†ุญู† ู†ู‚ุชู„ ุจุนุถู†ุง ุงู„ุจุนุถ.
17:45
We kill each other.
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17:47
We cannot just hug each other for hummus
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ู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ุญุชุถู† ุจุนุถู†ุงู…ู† ุฃุฌู„ ุงู„ุญู…ุต ูู‚ุท
17:50
and say, let's pray for peace.
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ูˆู†ู‚ูˆู„ุŒ ุฏุนูˆู†ุง ู†ุตู„ูŠ ู…ู† ุฃุฌู„ ุงู„ุณู„ุงู….
17:53
No, this is not going to work.
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ู„ุงุŒ ู‡ุฐุง ู„ู† ูŠู†ุฌุญ.
17:54
We need nonviolence activism
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ู†ุญู† ุจุญุงุฌุฉ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ู†ุดุงุท ุงู„ู„ุงุนู†ููŠ
17:56
because Israelis and Palestinians need to achieve security and freedom.
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ู„ุฃู† ุงู„ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ูŠูŠู† ูˆุงู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠูŠู† ุจุญุงุฌุฉ ุฅู„ู‰ ุชุญู‚ูŠู‚ ุงู„ุฃู…ู† ูˆุงู„ุญุฑูŠุฉ.
18:01
Then we need a political agreement.
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ุซู… ู†ุญุชุงุฌ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงุชูุงู‚ ุณูŠุงุณูŠ.
18:04
We need a reconciliation process between both sides.
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ู†ุญู† ุจุญุงุฌุฉ ุฅู„ู‰ ุนู…ู„ูŠุฉ ู…ุตุงู„ุญุฉ ุจูŠู† ุงู„ุทุฑููŠู†.
18:07
So this is how I see it in three steps.
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ุฅุฐู† ู‡ูƒุฐุง ุฃุฑุงู‡ุง ููŠ ุซู„ุงุซ ุฎุทูˆุงุช.
18:12
CSB: Thank you both for your beautiful words on this.
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ูƒ.ุด.ุจ.: ุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒู…ุง ุนู„ู‰ ูƒู„ู…ุงุชูƒู…ุง ุงู„ุฌู…ูŠู„ุฉ ุจุดุฃู† ุงู„ู…ูˆุถูˆุน.
18:14
It's really powerful to hear both of you share how this could look.
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ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุคุซุฑ ุญู‚ุงู‹ ุฃู† ุฃุณู…ุน ูƒู„ุงูƒู…ุง ูŠุดุงุฑูƒุงู† ูƒูŠู ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ูŠุจุฏูˆ ู‡ุฐุง.
18:19
And it's very inspiring.
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ูˆู‡ูˆ ุฃู…ุฑ ู…ู„ู‡ู… ู„ู„ุบุงูŠุฉ.
18:21
And one question actually from several people
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ูˆุณุคุงู„ ูˆุงุญุฏ ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน ู…ู† ุนุฏุฉ ุฃุดุฎุงุต
18:24
that has come up in different variations that I think is a nice segue,
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ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุธู‡ุฑ ุจุฃุดูƒุงู„ ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉ ูˆุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู‡ ุงู†ุชู‚ุงู„ ุณู„ุณ ู„ุทูŠูุŒ
18:28
is, what other countries can do to help this situation?
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ูˆู‡ูˆุŒ ู…ุง ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ุชูุนู„ู‡ ุงู„ุฏูˆู„ ุงู„ุฃุฎุฑู‰ ู„ู…ุณุงุนุฏุฉ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ูˆุถุนุŸ
18:32
So let's start with you again, Ami, and go back to Ali after that.
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ู„ู†ุจุฏุฃ ุจูƒ ู…ุฑุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰ ุนุงู…ูŠุŒ ุซู… ู†ุนูˆุฏ ุฅู„ู‰ ุนู„ูŠ ุจุนุฏ ุฐู„ูƒ.
18:36
AD: So two things.
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ุน.ุฏ.: ุฅุฐู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุฃู…ุฑุงู†.
18:38
One is I would say -- well, maybe three things.
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ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ ู‡ูˆ ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ุฃูˆุฏ ุฃู† ุฃู‚ูˆู„... ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ุฑุจู…ุง ุซู„ุงุซุฉ ุฃู…ูˆุฑ.
18:40
One is do no harm.
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ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ ู‡ูˆ ู„ุง ุชุณุจุจ ุถุฑุฑู‹ุง.
18:41
There's a lot of harm coming in from people
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ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุถุฑุฑ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠุณุจุจู‡ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ
18:44
basically from the outside, from far away,
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ุฃุณุงุณู‹ุง ู…ู† ุงู„ุฎุงุฑุฌุŒ ู…ู† ุฃู…ุงูƒู† ุจุนูŠุฏุฉุŒ
18:46
less governments or in some cases governments as well,
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ุฃู‚ู„ ู…ู† ุงู„ุญูƒูˆู…ุงุช ุฃูˆ ููŠ ุจุนุถ ุงู„ุญุงู„ุงุช ุงู„ุญูƒูˆู…ุงุช ูƒุฐู„ูƒุŒ
18:49
who basically express the wish of one or two of these communities to disappear.
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุนุจุฑ ุฃุณุงุณู‹ุง ุนู† ุฑุบุจุฉ ูˆุงุญุฏุฉ ุฃูˆ ุงุซู†ุชูŠู† ู…ู† ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู…ุฌุชู…ุนุงุช ููŠ ุงู„ุงุฎุชูุงุก.
18:55
Basically, just say it straight.
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ุฃุณุงุณู‹ุงุŒ ู„ู†ู‚ู„ู‡ุง ู…ุจุงุดุฑุฉ ูู‚ุท.
18:57
That needs to stop.
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ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ูŠุชูˆู‚ู ุฐู„ูƒ.
18:59
So one is do no harm.
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ุฅุฐู† ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ ู‡ูˆ ุฃู† ู„ุง ุชุณุจุจ ุถุฑุฑุงู‹.
19:01
Second, even this is probably the worst moment
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ุงู„ุซุงู†ูŠุŒ ุญุชู‰ ูˆุฅู† ูƒุงู† ู‡ุฐุง ุฑุจู…ุง ุฃุณูˆุฃ ุงู„ู„ุญุธุงุชุŒ
19:04
that we've had since 1948,
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ู…ุฑุฑู†ุง ุจู‡ุง ู…ู†ุฐ ุนุงู… 1948ุŒ
19:06
there are groups of people on the ground who are working together.
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ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู…ุฌู…ูˆุนุงุช ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃุฑุถ ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ูŠุนู…ู„ูˆู† ู…ุนู‹ุง.
19:10
One, for example, relatively well-known right now
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ุฅุญุฏุงู‡ุงุŒ ุนู„ู‰ ุณุจูŠู„ ุงู„ู…ุซุงู„ุŒ ู…ุนุฑูˆูุฉ ู†ุณุจูŠู‹ุง ููŠ ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช ุงู„ุญุงู„ูŠ
19:13
is a group called Standing Together, you can check them out.
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ู‡ูŠ ู…ุฌู…ูˆุนุฉ ุชุณู…ู‰ ู†ู‚ูู ู…ุนู‹ุงุŒ ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ุงู„ุงุทู„ุงุน ุนู„ูŠู‡ุง.
ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃุฑุถ: ุงู„ูŠู‡ูˆุฏ ูˆุงู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠูˆู†ุŒ
19:16
People on the ground, Jews and Palestinians,
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19:18
doing what they can to find a way forward.
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ูŠูุนู„ูˆู† ู…ุง ููŠ ูˆุณุนู‡ู… ู„ุฅูŠุฌุงุฏ ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ู„ู„ู…ุถูŠ ู‚ุฏู…ู‹ุง.
19:21
Anything that helps them is good.
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ุฃูŠ ุดูŠุก ูŠุณุงุนุฏู‡ู… ู‡ูˆ ุฃู…ุฑ ุฌูŠุฏ.
19:24
Anything that gets in their way is bad.
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ุฃูŠ ุดูŠุก ูŠู‚ู ููŠ ุทุฑูŠู‚ู‡ู… ู‡ูˆ ุฃู…ุฑ ุณูŠุก.
19:26
So that's like one way of saying this.
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ุฅุฐู† ู‡ุฐู‡ ุฅุญุฏู‰ ุงู„ุทุฑู‚ ู„ู‚ูˆู„ ุฐู„ูƒ.
19:28
Anything that helps Ali in what he's trying to do is good.
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ุฃูŠ ุดูŠุก ูŠุณุงุนุฏ ุนู„ูŠ ููŠู…ุง ูŠุญุงูˆู„ู ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจู‡ ู‡ูˆ ุฃู…ุฑ ุฌูŠุฏ.
19:31
Anything that hinders him is bad.
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ุฃูŠ ุดูŠุก ูŠุนูŠู‚ู‡ ู‡ูˆ ุฃู…ุฑ ุณูŠุก.
19:34
And then lastly the question really was about foreign governments.
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ูˆุฃุฎูŠุฑุงู‹ุŒ ูƒุงู† ุงู„ุณุคุงู„ ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน ุนู† ุงู„ุญูƒูˆู…ุงุช ุงู„ุฃุฌู†ุจูŠุฉ.
19:37
I think that some pressure is useful.
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ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุจุนุถ ุงู„ุถุบุท ู…ููŠุฏ.
19:40
Incentives, I think, are better.
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ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุงู„ุญูˆุงูุฒ ุฃูุถู„.
19:42
Carrots are better than sticks.
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ุงู„ุฌุฒุฑ ุฃูุถู„ ู…ู† ุงู„ุนุตูŠ.
19:44
These are two pretty stubborn peoples.
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ู‡ุฐุงู† ุดุนุจุงู† ุนู†ูŠุฏุงู† ุฌุฏู‹ุง.
19:47
And pressuring them, I think, is like a pressure cooker
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ูˆุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุงู„ุถุบุท ุนู„ูŠู‡ู…ุง ูŠุดุจู‡ ูˆุนุงุก ุงู„ุถุบุท
19:50
is not going to help.
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ู„ู† ูŠุณุงุนุฏ ุฐู„ูƒ.
19:51
So many Israelis and Jews are convinced that the world hates us anyway.
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ุงู„ุนุฏูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ูŠูŠู† ูˆุงู„ูŠู‡ูˆุฏ ู…ู‚ุชู†ุนูˆู† ุฃู† ุงู„ุนุงู„ู… ูŠูƒุฑู‡ู†ุง ุนู„ู‰ ุฃูŠ ุญุงู„.
19:56
So if you do something like, you know, kick Israel out of the Olympics,
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ูุฅุฐุง ูุนู„ุชู… ุดูŠุฆุงู‹ ู…ุซู„ุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ุทุฑุฏ ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ ู…ู† ุฃู„ุนุงุจ ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ู…ุจูŠุงุฏุŒ
20:00
in Israel, that'll be taken as,
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ููŠ ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ุŒ ุณูŠุชู… ุงุนุชุจุงุฑ ุฐู„ูƒ ุนู„ู‰ ุฃู†ู‡ุŒ
โ€œุญุณู†ุงู‹ุŒ ุจุงู„ุทุจุน ูุนู„ูˆุง ุฐู„ูƒุŒ ูู‡ู… ูŠูƒุฑู‡ูˆู†ู†ุง ุนู„ู‰ ุฃูŠ ุญุงู„โ€œุŒ ุฃู„ูŠุณ ูƒุฐู„ูƒุŸ
20:02
"Well, of course they did, they all hate us anyway," right?
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ู„ุฐุงุŒ ู„ู† ูŠุญุฏุซ ุฐู„ูƒ ุชุบูŠูŠุฑู‹ุง ุฅูŠุฌุงุจูŠู‹ุง ู…ู„ุญูˆุธู‹ุง.
20:05
So that is not going to actually move the needle.
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20:07
Incentives, by the way, would.
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ุงู„ุญูˆุงูุฒุŒ ุจุงู„ู…ู†ุงุณุจุฉุŒ ุณุชูุนู„ ุฐู„ูƒ.
20:08
And Iโ€™ll give you sort of a crazy-sounding one maybe,
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ูˆุณุฃุนุทูŠูƒ ู…ุซุงู„ู‹ุง ู‚ุฏ ูŠุจุฏูˆ ุฌู†ูˆู†ูŠู‹ุง ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ุงุŒ
ู„ูƒู† ููŠ ุจุนุถ ุงู„ุฃุญูŠุงู† ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู† ุงู„ุฃู…ูˆุฑ ู…ุฌู†ูˆู†ุฉ.
20:11
but sometimes things have to be crazy.
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20:13
Both countries are pretty small.
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ูƒู„ุง ุงู„ุจู„ุฏูŠู† ุตุบูŠุฑูŠู† ุจู…ุนู†ู‰ ุณูƒุงู† ูƒู„ุง ุงู„ุจู„ุฏูŠู† ุตุบูŠุฑู† ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ุง.
20:14
I mean, both populations are pretty small.
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20:16
We're talking 14 million people.
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ู†ุญู† ู†ุชุญุฏุซ ุนู† 14 ู…ู„ูŠูˆู† ุดุฎุต.
20:18
If the European Union, that in many ways,
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ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู† ุงู„ุงุชุญุงุฏ ุงู„ุฃูˆุฑูˆุจูŠุŒ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ููŠ ุงู„ุนุฏูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฌูˆุงู†ุจุŒ
20:21
Europe "owes" us both for all kinds of historical stuff.
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ุฃูˆุฑูˆุจุง ุชุฏูŠู† ู„ู†ุง ุจูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃู…ูˆุฑ ุจุณุจุจ ุฃุญุฏุงุซ ุชุงุฑูŠุฎูŠุฉ ู…ุชู†ูˆุนุฉ.
20:24
If the EU told the Palestinians and the Israelis,
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ุฅุฐุง ู‚ุงู„ ุงู„ุงุชุญุงุฏ ุงู„ุฃูˆุฑูˆุจูŠ ู„ู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠูŠู† ูˆุงู„ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ูŠูŠู†:
20:28
"If you guys make peace,
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โ€œุฅุฐุง ุญู‚ู‚ุชู… ุงู„ุณู„ุงู…ุŒ ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒู… ุงู„ุงู†ุถู…ุงู… ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุงุชุญุงุฏ ุงู„ุฃูˆุฑูˆุจูŠโ€œ.
20:30
you can join the EU."
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20:32
Like, how awesome would that be?
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ู…ุซู„ุŒ ูƒู… ุณูŠูƒูˆู† ุฐู„ูƒ ุฑุงุฆุนู‹ุงุŸ
20:33
But go make peace and get back to us,
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ู„ูƒู† ุงุฐู‡ุจูˆุง ูˆุญู‚ู‚ูˆุง ุงู„ุณู„ุงู… ูˆุงุฑุฌุนูˆุง ุฅู„ูŠู†ุงุŒ
20:36
and you can actually join the EU as full members.
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ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒู…ุง ุญู‚ู‹ุง ุฃู† ุชุตุจุญุง ุนุถูˆูŠู† ูƒุงู…ู„ูŠู† ููŠ ุงู„ุงุชุญุงุฏ ุงู„ุฃูˆุฑูˆุจูŠ.
20:38
It'd be great to have Lebanon as well.
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ู…ู† ุงู„ุฑุงุฆุน ุงู†ุถู…ุงู… ู„ุจู†ุงู† ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง.
20:40
That's a personal preference, that would actually rock.
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ู‡ุฐุง ุชูุถูŠู„ ุดุฎุตูŠุŒ ุณูŠูƒูˆู† ู…ุฐู‡ู„ู‹ุง ูุนู„ู‹ุง.
ู„ูƒู† ุนู„ู‰ ุฃูŠ ุญุงู„ุŒ ูŠู…ูƒู† ู„ุจู„ุงุฏ ุงู„ุดุงู… ุงู„ุงู†ุถู…ุงู… ุฅู„ู‰ ุฃูˆุฑูˆุจุง.
20:43
But anyway, the Levant can join Europe.
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20:45
So I think incentives of all kinds would be more helpful.
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ู„ุฐุง ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุงู„ุญูˆุงูุฒ ู…ู† ุฌู…ูŠุน ุงู„ุฃู†ูˆุงุน ุณุชูƒูˆู† ุฃูƒุซุฑ ูุงุฆุฏุฉ.
20:49
Security guarantees are also, you know, useful.
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ุถู…ุงู†ุงุช ุงู„ุฃู…ู† ู…ููŠุฏุฉ ุฃูŠุถู‹ุงุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†.
20:52
Just applying pressure, I don't think is going to work.
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ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ู…ุฌุฑุฏ ู…ู…ุงุฑุณุฉ ุงู„ุถุบุท ู„ู† ูŠู†ุฌุญ.
20:56
AAA: Yeah, I have been, I mean,
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ุน.ุฃ.ุน.: ู†ุนู… ู„ู‚ุฏ ูƒู†ุชูุŒ ุฃุนู†ูŠุŒ
20:58
for the last 20 years of my activism of nonviolence,
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ุนู„ู‰ ู…ุฏุงุฑ 20 ุณู†ุฉ ุงู„ู…ุงุถูŠุฉ ู…ู† ู†ุดุงุทูŠ ุงู„ู„ุงุนู†ููŠุŒ
21:04
I have been calling on everyone.
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ูƒู†ุช ุฃุฏุนูˆ ุงู„ุฌู…ูŠุน.
21:06
If you are pro-those or pro-those,
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ุฅุฐุง ูƒู†ุชู… ู…ุคูŠุฏูŠู† ู„ู‡ุคู„ุงุก ุฃูˆ ู…ุคูŠุฏูŠู† ู„ู‡ุคู„ุงุกุŒ ูู„ู† ูŠุณุงุนุฏูƒ ุฐู„ูƒ.
21:09
this is not going to help.
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21:11
We need you to be pro-solution.
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ู†ุฑูŠุฏูƒู… ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู†ูˆุง ู…ุคูŠุฏูŠู† ู„ู„ุญู„.
21:13
Yes, definitely we are not equal.
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ู†ุนู…ุŒ ุจุงู„ุชุฃูƒูŠุฏ ู†ุญู† ู„ุณู†ุง ู…ุชุณุงูˆูŠู†.
21:16
We're not equal on the ground, we are not equal by life condition.
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ู†ุญู† ู„ุณู†ุง ู…ุชุณุงูˆูŠู† ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃุฑุถุŒ ู„ุณู†ุง ู…ุชุณุงูˆูŠู† ููŠ ุธุฑูˆู ุงู„ุญูŠุงุฉ.
21:20
But we are both capable to run ourselves by ourselves
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ู„ูƒู† ูƒู„ุงู†ุง ู‚ุงุฏุฑ ุนู„ู‰ ุฅุฏุงุฑุฉ ุฃู†ูุณู†ุง ุจุฃู†ูุณู†ุง
21:25
and to create the best cooperation in the Middle East
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ูˆุชูƒูˆูŠู† ุฃูุถู„ ุชุนุงูˆู† ููŠ ุงู„ุดุฑู‚ ุงู„ุฃูˆุณุท
21:29
between Israel and Palestine.
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ุจูŠู† ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ ูˆูู„ุณุทูŠู†.
21:31
And we need you as a third party to be part of the solution,
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ูˆู†ุญุชุงุฌ ู…ู†ูƒ ูƒุทุฑู ุซุงู„ุซ ู„ุชูƒูˆู† ุฌุฒุกู‹ุง ู…ู† ุงู„ุญู„
21:35
not part of the problem.
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ูˆู„ูŠุณ ุฌุฒุกู‹ุง ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ.
21:37
Because if you cannot be part of the solution,
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ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ุฅุฐุง ู„ู… ุชุชู…ูƒู† ู…ู† ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู† ุฌุฒุกู‹ุง ู…ู† ุงู„ุญู„ุŒ
21:39
don't be part of the problem.
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ูู„ุง ุชูƒู† ุฌุฒุกู‹ุง ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ.
21:41
And if you are not part of the problem already,
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ูˆุฅุฐุง ู„ู… ุชูƒู† ุจุงู„ูุนู„ ุฌุฒุกู‹ุง ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉุŒ
21:44
try to be part of the solution
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ุญุงูˆู„ ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู† ุฌุฒุกู‹ุง ู…ู† ุงู„ุญู„
21:46
how to engage in this conflict, and it's not easy.
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ูƒูŠููŠุฉ ุงู„ุงู†ุฎุฑุงุท ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุตุฑุงุน ู„ูŠุณ ุณู‡ู„ู‹ุง.
21:50
I'm telling you, watching the images that come out of Gaza is not easy.
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ุฃู‚ูˆู„ ู„ูƒู…ุŒ ู…ุดุงู‡ุฏุฉ ุงู„ุตูˆุฑ ุงู„ู‚ุฏู…ุฉ ู…ู† ุบุฒุฉ ู„ูŠุณ ุจุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุงู„ุณู‡ู„.
21:54
Watching the hostage people there is not easy.
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ูˆู…ุดุงู‡ุฏุฉ ุงู„ุฑู‡ุงุฆู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู„ูŠุณ ุจุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุงู„ุณู‡ู„.
21:57
I mean, it's so hard to be nonviolence activist these days,
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ุฃุนู†ูŠุŒ ู…ู† ุงู„ุตุนุจ ุฌุฏู‹ุง ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู† ู†ุงุดุทู‹ุง ููŠ ู…ุฌุงู„ ุงู„ู„ุงุนู†ู ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุฃูŠุงู…ุŒ
22:03
and the challenges are so huge.
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ูˆุงู„ุชุญุฏูŠุงุช ุถุฎู…ุฉ ุฌุฏู‹ุง.
22:06
And that's why we need a collective movement
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ูˆู„ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุณุจุจ ู†ุญุชุงุฌ ุฅู„ู‰ ุญุฑูƒุฉ ุฌู…ุงุนูŠุฉ
22:09
that can speak to the reality and to the need.
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ูŠู…ูƒู†ู‡ุง ุงู„ุชุญุฏุซ ุนู† ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน ูˆุงู„ุญุงุฌุฉ.
22:13
And by the way, people are calling for cease fire.
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ูˆุจุงู„ู…ู†ุงุณุจุฉุŒ ูŠุฏุนูˆ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ู„ูˆู‚ู ุฅุทู„ุงู‚ ุงู„ู†ุงุฑ.
22:17
I'm not calling just for cease fire.
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ุฃู†ุง ู„ุง ุฃุฏุนูˆ ูู‚ุท ู„ูˆู‚ู ุฅุทู„ุงู‚ ุงู„ู†ุงุฑ.
22:19
I'm calling for cease conflict.
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ุฃู†ุง ุฃุฏุนูˆ ุฅู„ู‰ ูˆู‚ู ุงู„ุตุฑุงุน.
22:21
Because if we agree about ceasing the conflict,
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ู„ุฃู†ู†ุง ุฅุฐุง ุงุชูู‚ู†ุง ุนู„ู‰ ูˆู‚ู ุงู„ุตุฑุงุนุŒ
22:26
we will not need a cease fire.
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ูู„ู† ู†ุญุชุงุฌ ุฅู„ู‰ ูˆู‚ู ุฅุทู„ุงู‚ ุงู„ู†ุงุฑ.
22:28
This is going to be a part of an international agreement
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ุณูŠูƒูˆู† ู‡ุฐุง ุฌุฒุกู‹ุง ู…ู† ุงุชูุงู‚ ุฏูˆู„ูŠ
22:31
with international guarantees, with international pressure,
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ู…ุน ุถู…ุงู†ุงุช ุฏูˆู„ูŠุฉ ูˆุถุบุท ุฏูˆู„ูŠุŒ
22:35
that both sides also need to trust the process itself
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ูŠุญุชุงุฌ ูƒู„ุง ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจูŠู† ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุซู‚ุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ุนู…ู„ูŠุฉ ู†ูุณู‡ุง
22:40
by engaging the third party.
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ู…ู† ุฎู„ุงู„ ุฅุดุฑุงูƒ ุงู„ุทุฑู ุงู„ุซุงู„ุซ.
22:42
And last thing I will say, if you are pro-Israel,
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ูˆุขุฎุฑ ุดูŠุก ุณุฃู‚ูˆู„ู‡ุŒ ุฅุฐุง ูƒู†ุช ู…ุคูŠุฏู‹ุง ู„ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ุŒ
22:46
don't jump on any Muslim and hurt or smash his face.
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ู„ุง ุชู‚ูุฒ ุนู„ู‰ ุฃูŠ ู…ุณู„ู… ูˆุชุคุฐูŠู‡ ุฃูˆ ุชุญุทู… ูˆุฌู‡ู‡.
22:51
If you are pro-Palestine, please don't create conflict in your own community
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ุฅุฐุง ูƒู†ุช ู…ุคูŠุฏู‹ุง ู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ุŒ ู…ู† ูุถู„ูƒ ู„ุง ุชุญุฏุซ ุตุฑุงุนู‹ุง ููŠ ู…ุฌุชู…ุนูƒ
22:57
because we have one conflict to deal with.
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ู„ุฃู† ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ุตุฑุงุนู‹ุง ูˆุงุญุฏู‹ุง ูŠุฌุจ ุงู„ุชุนุงู…ู„ ู…ุนู‡.
22:59
We're not ready also to deal with conflicts
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ู†ุญู† ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง ุบูŠุฑ ู…ุณุชุนุฏูŠู† ู„ู„ุชุนุงู…ู„ ู…ุน ุงู„ุตุฑุงุนุงุช
23:02
that have been created in your own communities
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชู… ุฅุญุฏุงุซู‡ุง ููŠ ู…ุฌุชู…ุนุงุชูƒู… ุงู„ุฎุงุตุฉ
23:06
because you are pro one of us.
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ู„ุฃู†ูƒ ู…ุคูŠุฏ ู„ุฃุญุฏู†ุง.
23:08
CSB: Thank you.
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ูƒ.ุด.ุจ.: ุดูƒุฑุง ู„ูƒู…ุง.
23:09
And we're getting some insightful questions right now
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ูˆู†ุญู† ู†ุชู„ู‘ู‚ู‰ ุจุนุถ ุงู„ุฃุณุฆู„ุฉ ุงู„ุนู…ูŠู‚ุฉ ุงู„ุขู†
23:12
that are about sort of the bigger picture here.
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุชุนู„ู‚ ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ุง ุจุงู„ุตูˆุฑุฉ ุงู„ุฃูƒุจุฑ ู‡ู†ุง.
23:15
As one of you said, this conflict doesn't exist in a bubble, right?
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ูƒู…ุง ู‚ุงู„ ุฃุญุฏูƒู…ุงุŒ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุตุฑุงุน ู„ุง ูŠูˆุฌุฏ ููŠ ูู‚ุงุนุฉุŒ ุฃู„ูŠุณ ูƒุฐู„ูƒุŸ
23:19
So Karen asks, since the conflict is not limited to Israel-Palestine,
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ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุชุณุฃู„ ูƒุงุฑูŠู†ุŒ ุจู…ุง ุฃู† ุงู„ุตุฑุงุน ู„ูŠุณ ู…ู‚ุชุตุฑู‹ุง ุนู„ู‰ ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ ูˆูู„ุณุทูŠู†ุŒ
23:23
but is just a fragment of a conflict between Israel
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ุจู„ ู‡ูˆ ู…ุฌุฑุฏ ุฌุฒุก ู…ู† ุตุฑุงุน ุจูŠู† ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„
23:26
and Arab countries all across the region,
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ูˆุงู„ุฏูˆู„ ุงู„ุนุฑุจูŠุฉ ููŠ ุฌู…ูŠุน ุฃู†ุญุงุก ุงู„ู…ู†ุทู‚ุฉุŒ
23:28
what can you say about a peaceful future in that context?
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ู…ุงุฐุง ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ุชู‚ูˆู„ ุนู† ู…ุณุชู‚ุจู„ ุณู„ู…ูŠ ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุณูŠุงู‚ุŸ
23:32
And let's start with you, Ali.
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ูˆุฏุนู†ุง ู†ุจุฏุฃ ู…ุนูƒ ูŠุง ุนู„ูŠ.
23:35
AAA: That's a great question.
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ุน.ุฃ.ุน.: ู‡ุฐุง ุณุคุงู„ ุฑุงุฆุน.
23:37
I mean, watching the normalization process with Israel in the last few years,
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ุฃุนู†ูŠุŒ ู…ุดุงู‡ุฏุฉ ุนู…ู„ูŠุฉ ุงู„ุชุทุจูŠุน ู…ุน ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ ููŠ ุงู„ุณู†ูˆุงุช ุงู„ู‚ู„ูŠู„ุฉ ุงู„ู…ุงุถูŠุฉุŒ
23:42
within the occupation, within the injustices
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ุถู…ู† ุงู„ุงุญุชู„ุงู„ ูˆุถู…ู† ุงู„ุธูู„ู…
23:46
is just a big answer to this question.
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ู‡ูˆ ุจุญุฏ ุฐุงุชู‡ ุฅุฌุงุจุฉ ูƒุจูŠุฑุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุณุคุงู„.
23:49
I think the Arabs are ready to normalize with Israel
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ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุงู„ุนุฑุจ ู…ุณุชุนุฏูˆู† ู„ู„ุชุทุจูŠุน ู…ุน ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„
23:53
and even the top Arab country, Saudi Arabia,
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ูˆุญุชู‰ ุฃูƒุจุฑ ุฏูˆู„ุฉ ุนุฑุจูŠุฉุŒ ุงู„ู…ู…ู„ูƒุฉ ุงู„ุนุฑุจูŠุฉ ุงู„ุณุนูˆุฏูŠุฉุŒ
23:57
has mentioned this already.
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ู‚ุฏ ุฐูƒุฑุช ุฐู„ูƒ ุจุงู„ูุนู„.
23:59
But these normalization processes are happening between governments.
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ู„ูƒู† ุนู…ู„ูŠุงุช ุงู„ุชุทุจูŠุน ู‡ุฐู‡ ุชุญุฏุซ ุจูŠู† ุงู„ุญูƒูˆู…ุงุช.
24:03
This is not a real normalization.
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ู‡ุฐุง ู„ูŠุณ ุชุทุจูŠุนู‹ุง ุญู‚ูŠู‚ูŠู‹ุง.
24:06
We need normalization between people.
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ู†ุญู† ุจุญุงุฌุฉ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุชุทุจูŠุน ุจูŠู† ุงู„ุดุนูˆุจ.
24:08
And normalization between people will never be achieved
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ูˆุงู„ุชุทุจูŠุน ุจูŠู† ุงู„ุดุนูˆุจ ู„ู† ูŠุชุญู‚ู‚ ุฃุจุฏู‹ุง
24:12
by ignoring the Palestinian issue aside.
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ุจุชุฌุงู‡ู„ ุงู„ู‚ุถูŠุฉ ุงู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠุฉ ูˆูˆุถุนู‡ุง ุฌุงู†ุจู‹ุง.
24:15
The Palestinian people will be the best gate for Israel
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ุณูŠูƒูˆู† ุงู„ุดุนุจ ุงู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠ ุฃูุถู„ ุจูˆุงุจุฉ ู„ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„
24:19
to enter the Islamic and Arab world.
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ู„ุฏุฎูˆู„ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู… ุงู„ุฅุณู„ุงู…ูŠ ูˆุงู„ุนุฑุจูŠ.
24:22
Without that key, Israel will never be able to normalize.
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ุฏูˆู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ูุชุงุญุŒ ู„ู† ุชุชู…ูƒู† ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ ุฃุจุฏู‹ุง ู…ู† ุงู„ุชุทุจูŠุน.
24:27
On the other hand,
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ู…ู† ู†ุงุญูŠุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰ุŒ
24:28
all of these normalization efforts are good if they become effective
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ุฌู…ูŠุน ุฌู‡ูˆุฏ ุงู„ุชุทุจูŠุน ู‡ุฐู‡ ุฌูŠุฏุฉ ุฅุฐุง ุฃุตุจุญุช ูุนู‘ุงู„ุฉ
24:34
to transform Israel
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ู„ุชุญูˆูŠู„ ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„
24:38
and Israeli mind toward the Palestinians.
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ูˆุนู‚ู„ูŠุฉ ุงู„ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ูŠูŠู† ุชุฌุงู‡ ุงู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠูŠู†.
24:40
I'm not against it,
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ุฃู†ุง ู„ุณุช ุถุฏ ุฐู„ูƒุŒ
24:42
but I don't think this is the right approach
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ู„ูƒู†ู†ูŠ ู„ุง ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ู‡ุฐู‡ ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุงู„ุตุญูŠุญุฉ
24:45
without the Palestinians.
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ุฏูˆู† ุงู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠูŠู†.
24:47
The world has changed.
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ู„ู‚ุฏ ุชุบูŠุฑ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู….
24:48
And donโ€™t think that the Arabs just hug us and they love us.
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ูˆู„ุง ุชุนุชู‚ุฏูˆุง ุฃู† ุงู„ุนุฑุจ ูŠุญุชุถู†ูˆู†ู†ุง ูˆูŠุญุจูˆู†ู†ุง ูู‚ุท.
24:53
Believe me, sometimes Palestinians get humiliated in Arab countries
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ุตุฏู‚ูˆู†ูŠุŒ ูŠุชุนุฑุถ ุงู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠูˆู† ููŠ ุจุนุถ ุงู„ุฃุญูŠุงู† ู„ู„ุฅู‡ุงู†ุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ุฏูˆู„ ุงู„ุนุฑุจูŠุฉ
24:57
more than Israelis.
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ุฃูƒุซุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ูŠูŠู†.
24:59
Many Israeli friends recently has traveled.
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ู‚ุฏ ุณุงูุฑ ุงู„ุนุฏูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃุตุฏู‚ุงุก ุงู„ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ูŠูŠู† ู…ุคุฎุฑู‹ุง.
25:02
I mean, before the war, not after.
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ุฃุนู†ูŠุŒ ู‚ุจู„ ุงู„ุญุฑุจ ูˆู„ูŠุณ ุจุนุฏู‡ุง.
25:05
Have traveled to Emirates, to other places.
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ุณุงูุฑูˆุง ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฅู…ุงุฑุงุช ูˆุฅู„ู‰ ุฃู…ุงูƒู† ุฃุฎุฑู‰.
25:10
And they try to speak about the Palestinians,
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ูˆูŠุญุงูˆู„ูˆู† ุงู„ุชุญุฏุซ ุนู† ุงู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠูŠู†ุŒ
25:13
Israelis, can you imagine?
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ุงู„ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ูŠูŠู†ุŒ ู‡ู„ ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒู… ุชุฎูŠู„ ุฐู„ูƒุŸ
25:15
Then the Arab response was, we don't want to speak about this.
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ุซู… ูƒุงู† ุงู„ุฑุฏ ุงู„ุนุฑุจูŠุŒ ู„ุง ู†ุฑูŠุฏ ุงู„ุชุญุฏุซ ุนู† ู‡ุฐุง.
25:18
Can you imagine, Israelis are raising our issue
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ู‡ู„ ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒู… ุชุฎูŠู„ ุฃู†ู‘ ุงู„ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ูŠูŠู† ูŠุซูŠุฑูˆู† ู‚ุถูŠุชู†ุง
25:21
and the Arabs are putting it down.
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ูˆุงู„ุนุฑุจ ูŠู‚ู„ู‘ู„ูˆู† ู…ู† ุฃู‡ู…ูŠุชู‡ุง.
25:23
AD: I agree with every word that Ali just said.
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ุน.ุฏ.: ุฃุชูู‚ ู…ุน ูƒู„ ูƒู„ู…ุฉ ู‚ุงู„ู‡ุง ุนู„ูŠ ู„ู„ุชูˆ.
25:26
And I think that part of the -- you know,
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ูˆุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ุฌุฒุก ู…ู†... ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ
25:28
as a kid, you know, growing up in Israel,
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ูƒุทูู„ุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ู†ุดุฃ ููŠ ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ุŒ
25:31
the big threat was Egypt and Syria
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ูƒุงู† ุงู„ุชู‡ุฏูŠุฏ ุงู„ูƒุจูŠุฑ ู‡ูˆ ู…ุตุฑ ูˆุณูˆุฑูŠุง
25:35
and Jordan and these other countries.
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ูˆุงู„ุฃุฑุฏู† ูˆู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุจู„ุงุฏ ุงู„ุฃุฎุฑู‰.
25:37
And I think that that fundamental feeling of threat is still there.
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ูˆุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ุดุนูˆุฑ ุงู„ุฃุณุงุณูŠ ุจุงู„ุชู‡ุฏูŠุฏ ู„ุง ูŠุฒุงู„ ู‚ุงุฆู…ู‹ุง.
25:43
Even though Sadat came, you know, 45 years ago
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ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฑุบู… ู…ู† ุฃู† ุงู„ุณุงุฏุงุช ุญุถุฑุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ู‚ุจู„ 45 ุณู†ุฉ
25:46
and we've had, yes, not the warmest peace,
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ูˆู„ู… ูŠูƒู† ู„ุฏูŠู†ุงุŒ ู†ุนู…ุŒ ุณู„ุงู… ุฃูƒุซุฑ ุฏูุฆู‹ุงุŒ
25:49
but we've had a very functional peace with Egypt and Jordan.
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ู„ูƒู† ูƒุงู† ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ุณู„ุงู… ุนู…ู„ูŠ ุฌุฏู‹ุง ู…ุน ู…ุตุฑ ูˆุงู„ุฃุฑุฏู†.
ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ู„ุจู†ุงู† ู‚ุฏ ูŠุญุฏุซ ุงู„ุณู„ุงู… ุจุณู‡ูˆู„ุฉ.
25:54
And, you know, Lebanon could easily happen.
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25:56
Saudi Arabia has very seriously been looking for this and wants this.
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ุชุจุญุซู ุงู„ู…ู…ู„ูƒุฉ ุงู„ุนุฑุจูŠุฉ ุงู„ุณุนูˆุฏูŠุฉ ุนู† ู‡ุฐุง ุจุฌุฏูŠุฉ ูƒุจูŠุฑุฉ ูˆุชุฑูŠุฏู‡.
26:00
And so again, you know, Israelis can get mad at me for saying this,
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ูˆู…ุฑุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰ุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ู‚ุฏ ูŠุบุถุจ ู…ู†ูŠ ุงู„ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ูŠูˆู† ู„ู‚ูˆู„ูŠ ู‡ุฐุงุŒ
26:05
Israel has to decide what it wants.
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ุนู„ู‰ ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ ุฃู† ุชู‚ุฑุฑ ู…ุง ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุชุฑูŠุฏู‡.
26:07
Certain people within Israeli society have to decide what is more important,
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ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ูŠู‚ุฑุฑ ุจุนุถ ุงู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต ุฏุงุฎู„ ุงู„ู…ุฌุชู…ุน ุงู„ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ูŠ ู…ุง ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุฃู‡ู…ุŒ
26:11
keeping the West Bank, you know, forever
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ุงู„ุฅุจู‚ุงุก ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุถูุฉ ุงู„ุบุฑุจูŠุฉุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃุจุฏ
26:14
keeping the Palestinians as oppressed citizens,
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ูˆุฅุจู‚ุงุก ุงู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠู† ูƒู…ูˆุงุทู†ูŠู† ู…ุถุทู‡ุฏูŠู†ุŒ
26:17
without rights in the West Bank and also in Gaza.
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ุฏูˆู† ุญู‚ูˆู‚ ููŠ ุงู„ุถูุฉ ุงู„ุบุฑุจูŠุฉ ูˆูƒุฐู„ูƒ ููŠ ุบุฒุฉ.
26:21
Or, integrating in the region.
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ุฃูˆ ุงู„ุงู†ุฏู…ุงุฌ ููŠ ุงู„ู…ู†ุทู‚ุฉ.
26:23
I think the region is absolutely ready to --
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ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุงู„ู…ู†ุทู‚ุฉ ู…ุณุชุนุฏุฉ ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง...
26:26
that's my sense --
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ู‡ุฐุง ุดุนูˆุฑูŠ...
26:27
most of the region is ready to, for lack of a better word, do business.
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ู…ุนุธู… ุงู„ู…ู†ุทู‚ุฉ ู…ุณุชุนุฏุฉุŒ ูˆู„ุนุฏู… ูˆุฌูˆุฏ ูƒู„ู…ุฉ ุฃูุถู„ุŒ ู„ู„ุชุนุงู…ู„ ุงู„ุชุฌุงุฑูŠ.
26:31
I mean, you see it now in Dubai.
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ุฃุนู†ูŠุŒ ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒู… ุฑุคูŠุชู‡ ุงู„ุขู† ููŠ ุฏุจูŠ. ุชุฑูˆู† ุฐู„ูƒ ููŠ ุฃู…ุงูƒู† ุฃุฎุฑู‰.
26:34
You see it in other places.
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26:36
So I think this can absolutely happen.
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ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ูŠุญุฏุซ ุจุงู„ุชุฃูƒูŠุฏ.
26:39
But there has to be a decision of what really matters,
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ู„ูƒู† ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู‚ุฑุงุฑ ุจุดุฃู† ู…ุง ู‡ูˆ ู…ู‡ู… ุญู‚ู‹ุงุŒ
26:45
sort of, in the end.
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ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ุงุŒ ููŠ ุงู„ู†ู‡ุงูŠุฉ.
26:46
The Palestinian conflict, the Palestinian issue, is a hard one.
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ุฅู† ุงู„ุตุฑุงุน ุงู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠุŒ ุงู„ู‚ุถูŠุฉ ุงู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠุฉุŒ ู‡ูˆ ุตุฑุงุน ุตุนุจ.
26:49
If that gets settled, everything else falls into place, I believe.
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ุฅุฐุง ุชู… ุญู„ ุฐู„ูƒุŒ ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ูƒู„ ุดูŠุก ุขุฎุฑ ุณูŠู†ุชุธู…ู ููŠ ู…ูƒุงู†ู‡ุŒ
26:52
AAA: The closest people to Israelis are not the Saudis.
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ุน.ุฃ.ุน.: ุฃู‚ุฑุจ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ูŠูŠู† ู„ูŠุณ ุงู„ุณุนูˆุฏูŠูŠู†.
26:56
They are the Palestinians.
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ุฅู†ู‡ู… ุงู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠูˆู†.
26:58
And if you try it, you will figure it out on the ground.
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ูˆุฅุฐุง ุฌุฑุจุชู… ุฐู„ูƒุŒ ุณุชูƒุชุดููˆู†ู‡ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃุฑุถ.
27:02
We are the closest Arab to Israel, even though the occupation,
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ู†ุญู† ุฃู‚ุฑุจ ุงู„ุนุฑุจ ุฅู„ู‰ ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ุŒ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฑุบู… ู…ู† ุงู„ุงุญุชู„ุงู„ุŒ
27:05
even though the hate, even though the violence,
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ุฑุบู… ุงู„ูƒุฑุงู‡ูŠุฉ ูˆุญุชู‰ ุฑุบู… ุงู„ุนู†ูุŒ
27:08
people are existing from each other already.
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ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ู…ูˆุฌูˆุฏูˆู† ูุนู„ู‹ุง ุจุนูŠุฏู‹ุง ุนู† ุจุนุถู‡ู… ุงู„ุจุนุถ.
ุน.ุฏ.: ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุดูŠุฆู‹ุง ูˆุงุญุฏู‹ุง ูƒู„ูˆูŠุŒ ู‡ูˆ ุฃู†ู‡ ุนู†ุฏู…ุงุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ
27:12
AD: I think one thing on that, Chloe, is that when, you know,
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27:15
if someone wants a moment of optimism, in the middle of this whole horror,
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ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู† ุฃุญุฏู‡ู… ูŠุฑูŠุฏ ู„ุญุธุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ุชูุงุคู„ุŒ
ููŠ ูˆุณุท ูƒู„ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฑุนุจุŒ
27:21
the best thing that anyone can do is to visit a hospital in Israel.
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ูุฅู† ุฃูุถู„ ุดูŠุก ูŠู…ูƒู† ู„ุฃูŠ ุดุฎุต ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจู‡ ู‡ูˆ ุฒูŠุงุฑุฉ ู…ุณุชุดูู‰ ููŠ ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„.
27:26
If you visit a hospital in Israel,
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ุฅุฐุง ุฒุฑุชู… ู…ุณุชุดูู‰ ููŠ ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ุŒ ู…ุง ุณุชุดุงู‡ุฏูˆู†ู‡ ู‡ูˆ ู…ุน ุฃู†ู‘
27:28
what you will see is that even though
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27:30
about 22 percent of Israeli citizens are Arabs, Palestinians,
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ุญูˆุงู„ูŠ 22% ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ูˆุงุทู†ูŠู† ุงู„ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ูŠูŠู† ู‡ู… ุนุฑุจุŒ ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠูˆู†ุŒ
27:34
more than 25 percent of physicians in Israel are Palestinian,
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ุฃูƒุซุฑ ู…ู† 25% ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃุทุจุงุก ููŠ ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ ู‡ู… ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠูˆู†ุŒ
27:38
40 percent of pharmacists,
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40 ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุงุฆุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ุตูŠุงุฏู„ุฉุŒ ูˆุฃูƒุซุฑ ู…ู† 30 ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุงุฆุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ู…ุฑุถุงุช.
27:40
more than 30 percent of nurses.
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27:42
So if you go to any hospital,
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ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุฅุฐุง ุฐู‡ุจุชู… ุฅู„ู‰ ุฃูŠ ู…ุณุชุดูู‰ุŒ
27:44
you'll see that the teams are basically completely integrated,
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ุณุชู„ุงุญุธูˆู† ุฃู† ุงู„ูุฑู‚ ุงู„ุทุจูŠุฉ ู…ุชูƒุงู…ู„ุฉ ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุงุŒ
27:49
the patients are sitting, are lying side by side.
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ูˆุงู„ู…ุฑุถู‰ ูŠุฌู„ุณูˆู† ูˆูŠุณุชู„ู‚ูˆู† ุฌู†ุจู‹ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ุฌู†ุจ.
27:52
Muslims are operating on Jews and vice versa.
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ูŠุฌุฑูŠ ุงู„ู…ุณู„ู…ูˆู† ุนู…ู„ูŠุงุช ุฌุฑุงุญูŠุฉ ู„ู„ูŠู‡ูˆุฏ ูˆุงู„ุนูƒุณ ุตุญูŠุญ.
27:55
And it works.
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ูˆูŠุนู…ู„ ุฐู„ูƒ.
27:57
And it works more than many other national rivalries
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ูˆูŠุนู…ู„ ุฃูƒุซุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุนุฏูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ู†ุงูุณุงุช ุงู„ูˆุทู†ูŠุฉ ุงู„ุฃุฎุฑู‰
28:01
I can imagine.
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ูŠ ุชุฎูŠู„ู‡ุง.
28:03
There was someone in Jerusalem a few years ago
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ูƒุงู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุดุฎุต ููŠ ุงู„ู‚ุฏุณ ู‚ุจู„ ุจุถุน ุณู†ูˆุงุช
28:05
who had this idea of, you know,
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ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูƒุงู†ุช ู„ุฏูŠู‡ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ููƒุฑุฉุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ
28:08
a "for peace" idea where all he did was on Friday evenings,
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ููƒุฑุฉ โ€œู…ู† ุฃุฌู„ ุงู„ุณู„ุงู…โ€œุŒ ุญูŠุซ ูƒุงู† ูƒู„ ู…ุง ูŠูุนู„ู‡ ู‡ูˆ ููŠ ู…ุณุงุก ูŠูˆู… ุงู„ุฌู…ุนุฉุŒ
28:12
he invited people across the city to play backgammon.
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ูƒุงู† ูŠุฏุนูˆ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ู…ู† ุฌู…ูŠุน ุฃู†ุญุงุก ุงู„ู…ุฏูŠู†ุฉ ู„ู„ุนุจ ุงู„ุทุงูˆู„ุฉ.
28:15
That was it.
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ูƒุงู† ู‡ุฐุง ูƒู„ ุดูŠุก.
28:16
Come play backgammon.
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ุชุนุงู„ูˆุง ู„ู„ุนุจ ุงู„ุทุงูˆู„ุฉ.
28:17
That's the agenda, basically.
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ูƒุงู† ู‡ุฐุง ุฌุฏูˆู„ ุงู„ุฃุนู…ุงู„ ุฃุณุงุณู‹ุง.
28:19
And you had hundreds of people, religious, secular, Arabs, Jews,
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ูˆูƒุงู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู…ุฆุงุช ู…ู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณุŒ ุงู„ู…ุชุฏูŠู†ูŠู† ูˆุงู„ุนู„ู…ุงู†ูŠูŠู† ูˆุงู„ุนุฑุจ ูˆุงู„ูŠู‡ูˆุฏุŒ
28:23
coming and playing backgammon and laughing and eating.
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ูŠุฃุชูˆู† ูˆูŠู„ุนุจูˆู† ุงู„ุทุงูˆู„ุฉ ูˆูŠุถุญูƒูˆู† ูˆูŠุฃูƒู„ูˆู†.
28:26
And you could see how, yes, of course, there's a conflict,
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ูˆูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒู… ุฃู† ุชุฑูˆู† ูƒูŠูุŒ ู†ุนู…ุŒ ุจุงู„ุทุจุนุŒ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุตุฑุงุนู‹ุงุŒ
28:29
But actually, culturally and personally, people get along and can get along.
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ู„ูƒู† ูุนู„ู‹ุงุŒ ูŠุชุนุงูŠุด ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุซู‚ุงููŠู‹ุง ูˆุดุฎุตูŠู‹ุงุŒ ูˆูŠู…ูƒู†ู‡ู… ุงู„ุชุนุงูŠุด ู…ุน ุจุนุถู‡ู… ุงู„ุจุนุถ.
28:33
Now all this to say, and I just,
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ุงู„ุขู† ูƒู„ ู‡ุฐุง ู„ุฃู‚ูˆู„ุŒ ูˆุฃู†ุง ูู‚ุทุŒ
28:35
I think Ali and I are bringing sort of positive outlook to this.
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ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ูˆุนู„ูŠ ู†ู‚ุฏู… ู†ุธุฑุฉ ุฅูŠุฌุงุจูŠุฉ ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ุง ู„ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ.
28:39
The moment is horrible.
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ุงู„ู„ุญุธุฉ ู…ุฑูˆุนุฉ.
28:41
The moment is the worst in my life by far.
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ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู„ุญุธุฉ ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุฃุณูˆุฃ ููŠ ุญูŠุงุชูŠ ุญุชู‰ ุงู„ุขู†.
28:44
I mean, I'll tell you one really quick sort of thing
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ุฃุนู†ูŠุŒ ุณุฃุฎุจุฑูƒู… ุจุฃู…ุฑ ุณุฑูŠุน ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ุง.
28:46
to give some perspective to this.
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ู„ุฅุนุทุงุก ุจุนุถ ุงู„ู…ู†ุธูˆุฑ ู„ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ
28:48
I woke up on the morning of October 7, that Saturday.
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ุงุณุชูŠู‚ุธุช ุตุจุงุญ ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ูŠูˆู…ุŒ 7 ุชุดุฑูŠู† ุงู„ุฃูˆู„/ ุฃูƒุชูˆุจุฑ.
ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ุฃู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ู‚ุฏ ุนูŽู„ู…ูˆุง ุนู† ู‡ุฐุงุŒ
28:52
I think, you know, people learned about this,
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28:54
depending on when they went to bed.
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ุงุนุชู…ุงุฏู‹ุง ุนู„ู‰ ูˆู‚ุช ุฐู‡ุงุจู‡ู… ู„ู„ู†ูˆู….
28:56
So I learned that this was happening at eight in the morning,
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ูู‚ุฏ ุนู„ู…ุชู ุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ูƒุงู† ูŠุญุฏุซ ููŠ ุงู„ุณุงุนุฉ ุงู„ุซุงู…ู†ุฉ ุตุจุงุญู‹ุงุŒ
ุตุจุงุญ ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ุณุจุชุŒ ุงุณุชูŠู‚ุธุชู ุญูŠุซ ูƒู†ุช ููŠ ู†ูŠูˆูŠูˆุฑูƒุŒ
28:59
that Saturday morning, I woke up, I was in New York,
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29:02
and I opened and someone said,
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ูˆูุชุญุช ุงู„ุจุงุจ ูˆู‚ุงู„ ุฃุญุฏู‡ู…:
29:03
"Oh, there's something happening in Israel."
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โ€œุฃูˆู‡ุŒ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุดูŠุก ู…ุง ูŠุญุฏุซ ููŠ ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„โ€œ.
29:05
I'll never forget in my life.
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ู„ู† ุฃู†ุณูŽ ุฃุจุฏู‹ุง ููŠ ุญูŠุงุชูŠ.
ุนู†ูˆุงู† ุตุญูŠูุฉ ู†ูŠูˆูŠูˆุฑูƒ ุชุงูŠู…ุฒ:
29:07
The New York Times headline said,
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29:09
โ€œTerrorist incursion from Gaza, 22 dead.โ€
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โ€œุชูˆุบู„ ุฅุฑู‡ุงุจูŠ ู…ู† ุบุฒุฉุŒ 22 ู‚ุชูŠู„ู‹ุงโ€œ.
29:13
In that moment, it was 22 dead.
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ููŠ ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ู„ุญุธุฉุŒ ูƒุงู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ 22 ู‚ุชูŠู„ู‹ุง.
29:15
That's all that was reported.
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ู‡ุฐุง ูƒู„ ู…ุง ุชู… ุงู„ุฅุจู„ุงุบ ุนู†ู‡.
29:17
And my wife came down the stairs, and she saw that my face had changed.
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ูˆู†ุฒู„ุช ุฒูˆุฌุชูŠ ุงู„ุฏุฑุฌุŒ ูˆุฑุฃุช ุฃู† ูˆุฌู‡ูŠ ู‚ุฏ ุชุบูŠุฑ.
29:21
She said, what's going on?
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ู‚ุงู„ุชุŒ ู…ุง ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠุญุฏุซุŸ
29:22
And based on those 22 deaths, I said,
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ูˆุจู†ุงุกู‹ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ูˆููŠุงุช ุงู„ุจุงู„ุบุฉ 22ุŒ ู‚ู„ุชุŒ
29:26
"Everything is over."
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โ€œูƒู„ ุดูŠุก ุงู†ุชู‡ู‰โ€œ.
29:28
Everything is over, basically.
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ูƒู„ ุดูŠุก ุงู†ุชู‡ู‰ุŒ ุฃุณุงุณู‹ุง.
29:31
Peace in my lifetime, Gaza.
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ุงู„ุณู„ุงู… ููŠ ุญูŠุงุชูŠุŒ ุบุฒุฉ.
29:34
And then of course, it went up to, you know, hundreds and over 1,000.
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ุซู… ุจุงู„ุทุจุนุŒ ุงุฑุชูุน ุงู„ุนุฏุฏุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ู…ุฆุงุช ูˆุฃุตุจุญ ุฃูƒุซุฑ ู…ู† 1,000.
29:38
But it's hard to explain to people the depth of what happened that day,
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ู„ูƒู† ู…ู† ุงู„ุตุนุจ ุดุฑุญ ุนู…ู‚ ู…ุง ุญุฏุซ ููŠ ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ูŠูˆู… ู„ู„ู†ุงุณุŒ
29:43
the depth of the shock.
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ุนู…ู‚ ุงู„ุตุฏู…ุฉ.
29:46
If two Hamas people, if two terrorists,
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ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู† ุดุฎุตุงู† ู…ู† ุญู…ุงุณุŒ ุฅุฐุง ุนุจุฑ ุงุฑู‡ุงุจูŠุงู† ุงู„ุญุฏูˆุฏ
29:49
two, had crossed the border
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29:51
and had killed one family and kidnapped two people,
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ูˆู‚ุงู…ุง ุจู‚ุชู„ ุนุงุฆู„ุฉ ูˆุงุญุฏ ูˆุฎุทูุง ุดุฎุตูŠู†ุŒ
29:55
that would have been a national scandal in Israel.
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ู„ูƒุงู† ุฐู„ูƒ ูุถูŠุญุฉ ูˆุทู†ูŠุฉ ููŠ ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„.
29:58
What happened was completely unimaginable.
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ู…ุง ุญุฏุซ ูƒุงู† ุฃู…ุฑู‹ุง ู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู† ุชุตูˆุฑู‡ ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง.
30:01
And this is why, four months later, most Israelis are still there.
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ูˆู„ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุณุจุจุŒ ุจุนุฏ ุฃุฑุจุนุฉ ุฃุดู‡ุฑุŒ ู„ุง ูŠุฒุงู„ ู…ุนุธู… ุงู„ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ูŠูŠู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ.
30:05
Also, this is what they're seeing on television every day.
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ุฃูŠุถู‹ุงุŒ ู‡ุฐุง ู…ุง ูŠุดุงู‡ุฏูˆู†ู‡ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุชู„ูุงุฒ ูŠูˆู…ูŠู‹ุง.
30:08
Every day in Israel now on TV is a repeat of October 7.
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ูŠูˆู…ูŠู‹ุง ููŠ ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ ุงู„ุขู† ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุชู„ูุงุฒ ุฅุนุงุฏุฉ ู…ุง ุญุฏุซ ููŠ 7 ุชุดุฑูŠู† ุงู„ุฃูˆู„/ ุฃูƒุชูˆุจุฑ.
ุตูˆุฑ ู‚ู„ูŠู„ุฉ ุฌุฏู‹ุง ุนู† ุบุฒุฉ.
30:12
Very few images of Gaza.
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30:14
Israel is probably, I know this is going to sound weird,
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ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃุฑุฌุญุŒ ุฃุนู„ู… ุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ู‚ุฏ ูŠุจุฏูˆ ุบุฑูŠุจู‹ุงุŒ
30:17
and maybe literally incredible to some people,
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ูˆุฑุจู…ุง ูŠุจุฏูˆ ุบูŠุฑ ู‚ุงุจู„ ู„ู„ุชุตุฏูŠู‚ ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง ุจุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ุฅู„ู‰ ุจุนุถ ุงู„ู†ุงุณุŒ
30:20
Israel is probably the least informed country in the world
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ุฑุจู…ุง ุชูƒูˆู† ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุฏูˆู„ุฉ ุงู„ุฃู‚ู„ ุฅุทู„ุงุนู‹ุง ููŠ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…
30:23
about what's happening in Gaza.
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ุญูˆู„ ู…ุง ูŠุญุฏุซ ููŠ ุบุฒุฉ.
30:25
The media does not show the images.
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ู„ุง ุชุนุฑุถ ูˆุณุงุฆู„ ุงู„ุฅุนู„ุงู… ุงู„ุตูˆุฑ.
30:27
You have to go look for them.
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ุนู„ูŠูƒู… ุงู„ุจุญุซ ุนู†ู‡ุง.
30:28
And obviously you donโ€™t necessarily want to,
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ูˆู…ู† ุงู„ูˆุงุถุญ ุฃู†ูƒู… ู„ุง ุชุฑูŠุฏูˆู† ุจุงู„ุถุฑูˆุฑุฉ ุฐู„ูƒุŒ
30:30
or you justify them in all kinds of different ways.
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ุฃูˆ ุชุจุฑุฑูˆู† ุฐู„ูƒ ุจูƒู„ ุฃู†ูˆุงุน ุงู„ุทุฑู‚ ุงู„ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉ.
30:33
And so I don't want to minimize because of, you know,
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ูˆู„ุฐู„ูƒุŒ ู„ุง ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ุงู„ุชู‚ู„ูŠู„ ู…ู† ุดุฃู† ุฐู„ูƒ ุจุณุจุจุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ
30:36
Ali's and mine sort of positivity here,
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ุฅูŠุฌุงุจูŠุฉ ุนู„ูŠู‘ ูˆุฅูŠุฌุงุจูŠุชูŠ ู‡ู†ุง ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ุงุŒ
30:38
that this moment is horrific,
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ุฃู† ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู„ุญุธุฉ ู…ุฑูˆุนุฉุŒ
30:40
and it's going to take tremendous work to come out of this
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ูˆุณูŠุชุทู„ุจ ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุนู…ู„ู‹ุง ู‡ุงุฆู„ู‹ุง ู„ู„ุฎุฑูˆุฌ ู…ู† ู‡ุฐุง
30:43
and that the priority is to just stop the deaths now,
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ูˆุฃู† ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ูˆูŠุฉ ู‡ูŠ ูˆู‚ู ุงู„ูˆููŠุงุช ุงู„ุขู†ุŒ
30:46
if we possibly can, whoever has influence on that,
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ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู† ุจุฅู…ูƒุงู†ู†ุง ุฐู„ูƒุŒ ุฃูŠู‹ุง ูƒุงู† ู„ุฏูŠู‡ ุชุฃุซูŠุฑ ุนู„ู‰ ุฐู„ูƒุŒ
30:49
this has to stop as soon as possible.
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ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ูŠุชูˆู‚ู ู‡ุฐุง ููŠ ุฃู‚ุฑุจ ูˆู‚ุช ู…ู…ูƒู†.
30:52
CSB: It's a really powerful reminder
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ูƒ.ุด.ุจ.: ุฅู†ู‡ ุชุฐูƒูŠุฑ ู‚ูˆูŠ ุญู‚ู‹ุง
30:54
of how every part of the world will see this so differently,
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ุนู† ูƒูŠู ุณูŠุฑู‰ ูƒู„ ุฌุฒุก ู…ู† ุงู„ุนุงู„ู… ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุจุดูƒู„ ู…ุฎุชู„ู ู„ู„ุบุงูŠุฉุŒ
30:58
based on the stories that they are told and how the media portrays it,
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ุงุณุชู†ุงุฏู‹ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ู‚ุตุต ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชูุฑูˆู‰ ู„ู‡ู… ูˆูƒูŠููŠุฉ ุชุตูˆูŠุฑ ูˆุณุงุฆู„ ุงู„ุฅุนู„ุงู… ู„ู‡ุงุŒ
31:03
and also how we feel based on history.
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ูˆูƒุฐู„ูƒ ูƒูŠู ู†ุดุนุฑ ุงุณุชู†ุงุฏู‹ุง ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุชุงุฑูŠุฎ.
31:05
And it actually makes me think of something you said earlier, Ami,
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ูˆูŠุฌุนู„ู†ูŠ ุฐู„ูƒ ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน ุฃููƒุฑ ููŠ ุดูŠุก ู‚ู„ุชู‡ ุณุงุจู‚ู‹ุง ูŠุง ุนุงู…ูŠุŒ
ุงู„ุชูŠ ู‚ู„ุช ููŠู‡ุง ุฃู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ูŠุฑุจุทูˆู† ุงู„ุตุฑุงุน
31:09
which was, you said that people associate the conflict
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31:12
with the first story that they were told,
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ุจุงู„ู‚ุตุฉ ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ู‰ ุงู„ุชูŠ ู‚ูŠู„ุช ู„ู‡ู…ุŒ
31:15
you know, however they understood Israel Palestine is
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ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ู…ู‡ู…ุง ูƒุงู† ูู‡ู…ู‡ู… ู„ุงุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ ูˆูู„ุณุทูŠู†
31:18
as children when they learned about it,
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ูƒุฃุทูุงู„ ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆุง ุนู†ู‡ู…ุงุŒ
31:20
is how they will interpret the conflict today.
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ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุณูŠูุณุฑูˆู† ุจู‡ุง ุงู„ุตุฑุงุน ุงู„ูŠูˆู….
31:22
So I'd actually love to hear, if you're both willing to share,
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ู„ุฐุงุŒ ุฃูˆุฏ ุฃู† ุฃุณู…ุน ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุนุŒ ุฅุฐุง ูƒู†ุชู…ุง ู…ุณุชุนุฏุงู† ู„ู„ู…ุดุงุฑูƒุฉุŒ
31:26
what the story you think should be told to the next generation,
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ู…ุง ุงู„ู‚ุตุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุนุชู‚ุฏุงู† ุฃู†ู‡ุง ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ุชูุฑูˆู‰ ู„ู„ุฌูŠู„ ุงู„ู‚ุงุฏู…ุŸ
31:30
because everyone puts so much hope in the future and in the young,
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ู„ุฃู† ุงู„ุฌู…ูŠุน ูŠุถุนูˆู† ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃู…ู„ ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุณุชู‚ุจู„ ูˆููŠ ุงู„ุดุจุงุจุŒ
31:33
the youngest generation, sometimes too much,
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ุงู„ุฌูŠู„ ุงู„ุฃุตุบุฑุŒ ุฃุญูŠุงู†ู‹ุง ุจุดูƒู„ ู…ูุฑุทุŒ
31:35
too much pressure on young people to solve the world's problems.
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ุถุบุท ูƒุจูŠุฑ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุดุจุงุจ ู„ุญู„ ู…ุดุงูƒู„ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู….
31:38
But if we can start there with the story that we tell to our children,
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ู„ูƒู† ุฅุฐุง ุจุฏุฃู†ุง ู…ู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู…ุน ุงู„ู‚ุตุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ู†ุฑูˆูŠู‡ุง ู„ุฃุทูุงู„ู†ุงุŒ
31:43
What could that be?
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ู…ุงุฐุง ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ุฐู„ูƒุŸ
31:45
Let's start with you again, Ami, and then go to you, Ali.
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ู„ู†ุจุฏุฃ ู…ุนูƒ ู…ุฑุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰ ูŠุง ุนุงู…ูŠุŒ ุซู… ู†ู†ุชู‚ู„ ุฅู„ูŠูƒ ูŠุง ุนู„ูŠ.
31:47
AD: We're in this together.
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ุน.ุฏ.: ู†ุญู† ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ู…ุนู‹ุง.
31:49
We're basically Siamese twins that have sort of been,
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ู†ุญู† ุฃุณุงุณู‹ุง ุชูˆุฃู…ุงู† ุณูŠุงู…ูŠุงู† ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ุงุŒ
31:52
you know, condemned to live together.
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ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูŠู†ุŒ ุญููƒู…ุง ุฃู† ูŠุนูŠุดุง ู…ุนู‹ุง.
31:54
And at some point you either see the other as equally human or you don't.
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ูˆููŠ ู…ุฑุญู„ุฉ ู…ุงุŒ ุฅู…ุง ุฃู† ุชุฑูˆู† ุงู„ุขุฎุฑ ูƒุฅู†ุณุงู† ู…ุชุณุงูˆูุŒ ุฃูˆ ู„ุง ุชุฑูˆู† ุฐู„ูƒ.
32:01
You're not brought up to.
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ู„ู… ุชุชู… ุชุฑุจูŠุชูƒู… ุนู„ู‰ ุฐู„ูƒ.
32:02
This is not how you're brought up, to see the other.
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ู‡ุฐู‡ ู„ูŠุณุช ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุฑุจูŠุชู… ุนู„ูŠู‡ุง ู„ุฑุคูŠุฉ ุงู„ุขุฎุฑ.
32:05
But if at some point you cross that threshold,
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ุฅุฐุง ุชุฌุงูˆุฒุชู… ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุญุฏ ููŠ ู…ุฑุญู„ุฉ ู…ุงุŒ
ูู„ุง ุนูˆุฏุฉ ุจุนุฏ ุฐู„ูƒ.
32:08
there's no going back.
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32:09
And so to me, you know, what I would tell my daughters
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ูˆุจุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ู„ูŠุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ู…ุง ุฃูˆุฏ ู‚ูˆู„ู‡ ู„ุจู†ุงุชูŠ
32:13
is we're all human here, we're all in this together.
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ู‡ูˆ ุฃู†ู†ุง ุฌู…ูŠุนู‹ุง ุจุดุฑ ู‡ู†ุงุŒ ูƒู„ู†ุง ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ู…ุนู‹ุง.
32:16
No one is leaving.
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ู„ุง ุฃุญุฏ ูŠุบุงุฏุฑ.
32:18
The past matters a lot, but the future matters more.
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ุงู„ู…ุงุถูŠ ู…ู‡ู… ูƒุซูŠุฑู‹ุงุŒ ู„ูƒู† ุงู„ู…ุณุชู‚ุจู„ ู…ู‡ู… ุฃูƒุซุฑ.
32:23
And so what can we do now about the future?
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ูู…ุงุฐุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ูุนู„ ุงู„ุขู† ุจุดุฃู† ุงู„ู…ุณุชู‚ุจู„ุŸ
32:25
The past, you know, the past can be as important as you want.
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ุงู„ู…ุงุถูŠุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ูŠู…ูƒู†ู ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ู…ู‡ู…ู‹ุง ูƒู…ุง ุชุฑูŠุฏูˆู†.
32:29
I don't care how important you want to make it.
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ู„ุง ูŠู‡ู…ู†ูŠ ู…ุฏู‰ ุฃู‡ู…ูŠุฉ ุฑุบุจุชูƒู… ููŠ ุชุญู‚ูŠู‚ ุฐู„ูƒ.
ุงู„ู…ุณุชู‚ุจู„ ุฃู‡ู…ุŒ ุจุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ู„ูŠุŒ ุฏูˆู…ู‹ุง.
32:31
The future matters more.
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32:32
To me, always.
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32:33
And it's about also human friendships.
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ูˆูŠุชุนู„ู‚ ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง ุจุงู„ุตุฏุงู‚ุงุช ุงู„ุจุดุฑูŠุฉ.
32:35
I think one of the sad things is that, you know,
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ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุฅุญุฏู‰ ุงู„ุฃุดูŠุงุก ุงู„ุญุฒูŠู†ุฉ ู‡ูŠ ุฃู†ู‡ุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ
32:39
not enough people on either side
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ู„ูŠุณ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุนุฏุฏ ูƒุงูู ู…ู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุนู„ู‰ ุฃูŠ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจูŠู†.
32:43
have true friendships on the other,
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ู„ุฏูŠู‡ู… ุตุฏุงู‚ุงุช ุญู‚ูŠู‚ูŠุฉ ู…ุน ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจ ุงู„ุขุฎุฑุŒ
32:45
true people that you would, you know, lie down for.
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ุฃุดุฎุงุต ุญู‚ูŠู‚ูŠูˆู† ู‚ุฏ ุชุถุญูˆู† ู…ู† ุฃุฌู„ู‡ู….
32:48
And I think that's important as well.
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ูˆุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ู…ู‡ู… ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง.
32:50
So making and then keeping those friendships
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ูุชูƒูˆูŠู† ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุตุฏุงู‚ุงุช ุซู… ุงู„ุญูุงุธ ุนู„ูŠู‡ุง
32:52
becomes, I think, really critical.
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ูŠุตุจุญุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏุŒ ุฃู…ุฑู‹ุง ุจุงู„ุบ ุงู„ุฃู‡ู…ูŠุฉ.
32:56
CSB: Thank you. And how about you, Ali?
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ูƒ.ุด.ุจ.: ุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒุŒ ูˆู…ุงุฐุง ุนู†ูƒ ูŠุง ุนู„ูŠุŸ
32:58
What do you believe the story should be told to our children?
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ู…ุง ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุชุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู‡ ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ูŠูุญูƒู‰ ู„ุฃุทูุงู„ู†ุง ู…ู† ุงู„ู‚ุตุฉุŸ
33:02
AAA: The main elements for the story is to tell the truth.
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ุน.ุฃ.ุน.:ุงู„ุนู†ุงุตุฑ ุงู„ุฑุฆูŠุณูŠุฉ ู„ู„ู‚ุตุฉ ู‡ูŠ ู‚ูˆู„ ุงู„ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ.
33:09
But not just our truth.
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ู„ูƒู† ู„ูŠุณ ูู‚ุท ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุชู†ุง.
33:12
It's also the other side's truth.
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ุฅู†ู‡ุง ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจ ุงู„ุขุฎุฑ ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง.
33:14
Because what makes our truth truthful is not that we believe in it.
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ู„ุฃู† ู…ุง ูŠุฌุนู„ ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุชู†ุง ุตุงุฏู‚ุฉ ู‡ูˆ ู„ูŠุณ ุฃู†ู†ุง ู†ุคู…ู† ุจู‡ุง.
33:20
It makes it true and truthful when others start believing in it.
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ุชุตุจุญ ุตุญูŠุญุฉ ูˆุตุงุฏู‚ุฉ ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ูŠุจุฏุฃ ุงู„ุขุฎุฑูˆู† ุจุงู„ุฅูŠู…ุงู† ุจู‡ุง.
33:25
But others will not start believing in it if we practice it one-sided.
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ู„ูƒู† ู„ู† ูŠุจุฏุฃ ุงู„ุขุฎุฑูˆู† ุงู„ุฅูŠู…ุงู† ุจู‡ุง ุฅุฐุง ู…ุงุฑุณู†ุงู‡ุง ุจุดูƒู„ ุฃุญุงุฏูŠ ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจ.
33:31
If we don't include the other.
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ุฅุฐุง ู„ู… ู†ูุดู…ู„ ุงู„ุขุฎุฑ.
33:33
And this is a big problem for both sides.
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ูˆู‡ุฐู‡ ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ ูƒุจูŠุฑุฉ ู„ูƒู„ุง ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจูŠู†.
33:36
They practice, they go to history as one nation, one people, one land,
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ุฅู†ู‡ู… ูŠู…ุงุฑุณูˆู† ูˆูŠุชุนุงู…ู„ูˆู† ู…ุน ุงู„ุชุงุฑูŠุฎ ูƒุฃู…ุฉ ูˆุงุญุฏุฉ ูˆุดุนุจ ูˆุงุญุฏ ูˆุฃุฑุถ ูˆุงุญุฏุฉุŒ
33:42
one God, and that's it.
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ูˆุฅู„ู‡ ูˆุงุญุฏุŒ ูˆู‡ุฐุง ูƒู„ ุดูŠุก.
33:44
Well, I believe one God,
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ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ุฃู†ุง ุฃุคู…ู† ุจุฅู„ู‡ ูˆุงุญุฏุŒ
33:46
but I think the same God has created both of us.
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ู„ูƒู†ู†ูŠ ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุงู„ุฅู„ู‡ ู†ูุณู‡ ู‚ุฏ ุฎู„ู‚ ูƒู„ุงู‹ ู…ู†ุง.
33:49
And this is the first truth.
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ูˆู‡ุฐู‡ ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ู‰.
33:51
It's not anyone who brought, I mean, Israel here.
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ู„ูŠุณ ุฃูŠ ุดุฎุต ุฃุญุถุฑุŒ ุฃุนู†ูŠุŒ ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ ุฅู„ู‰ ู‡ู†ุง.
ุญุชู‰ ุงู„ูŠู‡ูˆุฏูŠุฉ ู„ู… ุชุฃุชู ุนู† ุทุฑูŠู‚ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ู‡ู†ุง.
33:57
Even Judaism didn't come through people here.
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34:01
It came by God.
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ู„ู‚ุฏ ุฌุงุกุช ุนู† ุทุฑูŠู‚ ุงู„ู„ู‡.
34:02
And this is whatโ€™s in my Koran as Muslim,
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ู…ุง ูˆุฑุฏ ููŠ ู‚ุฑุขู†ูŠ ูƒู…ุณู„ู…ุŒ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุฉ ูˆุงุญุฏุฉ.
34:05
this is one fact.
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34:07
So this is something that has to be taught.
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ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ู‡ุฐุง ุดูŠุก ูŠุฌุจ ุชุนู„ูŠู…ู‡.
34:10
But we don't teach that.
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ู„ูƒู†ู†ุง ู„ุง ู†ุนู„ู‘ู… ุฐู„ูƒ.
34:11
On the other hand,
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ู…ู† ู†ุงุญูŠุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰ุŒ
34:13
we don't teach about the Holocaust.
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ู†ุญู† ู„ุง ู†ูุนู„ู‘ู… ุนู† ุงู„ู…ุญุฑู‚ุฉ ุงู„ู†ุงุฒูŠุฉุŒ
34:15
Many people will ignore or limit the Holocaust.
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ุณูŠุชุฌุงู‡ู„ ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุงู„ู‡ูˆู„ูˆูƒูˆุณุช ุฃูˆ ูŠู‚ู„ู‘ู„ูˆู† ู…ู† ุฃู‡ู…ูŠุชู‡ุง.
34:18
We just label the other by blinding ourselves to their truth.
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ู†ุญู†ู ู†ู†ุนุช ุงู„ุขุฎุฑูŠู† ูู‚ุท ุนู† ุทุฑูŠู‚ ุฅุบู„ุงู‚ ุฃุนูŠู†ู†ุง ุนู† ุญู‚ูŠู‚ุชู‡ู….
34:25
And this doesn't work.
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ูˆู‡ุฐุง ู„ุง ูŠุนู…ู„.
34:27
Listen, I didn't grow up with the best education for peace.
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ุงุณู…ุนูŠุŒ ู„ู… ุฃุชุฑุนุฑุน ููŠ ุจูŠุฆุฉ ุชุนู„ูŠู…ูŠุฉ ุชู‡ุชู… ุจุงู„ุณู„ุงู….
34:31
But I didn't grow up with hate.
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ู„ูƒู†ู†ูŠ ู„ู… ุฃุชุฑุนุฑุน ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ูƒุฑุงู‡ูŠุฉ.
34:33
I mean, I was born as a refugee.
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ุฃุนู†ูŠุŒ ูˆู„ุฏุช ูƒู„ุงุฌุฆ.
34:35
My father's story was to lose his home because of 1948,
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ูƒุงู†ุช ู‚ุตุฉ ูˆุงู„ุฏูŠ ุฃู† ูŠูู‚ุฏ ู…ู†ุฒู„ู‡ ุจุณุจุจ ุนุงู… 1948ุŒ
34:41
when Israel was established.
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ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุชู… ุชุฃุณูŠุณ ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„.
34:43
Then I was born to a political mother, who served years in prison.
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ุซู… ูˆู„ุฏุช ู„ุฃู… ุณูŠุงุณูŠุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ู‚ุถุช ุณู†ูˆุงุช ููŠ ุงู„ุณุฌู†.
34:47
Then I throw stones on Israeli soldiers, where I served years in prison.
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ุซู… ุฑู…ูŠุชู ุงู„ุญุฌุงุฑุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฌู†ูˆุฏ ุงู„ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ูŠูŠู†ุŒ ุญูŠุซ ู‚ุถูŠุช ุณู†ูˆุงุช ููŠ ุงู„ุณุฌู†.
34:52
Me and her had to have hunger strike for 17 days to see each other.
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ุงุถุทุฑุฑู†ุง ุฃู†ุง ูˆู‡ูŠ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฅุถุฑุงุจ ุนู† ุงู„ุทุนุงู… ู„ู…ุฏุฉ 17 ูŠูˆู…ู‹ุง ู„ุฑุคูŠุฉ ุจุนุถู†ุง ุงู„ุจุนุถ.
34:58
And after I was released by Oslo Peace initiative between both sides,
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ูˆุจุนุฏ ุฅุทู„ุงู‚ ุณุฑุงุญูŠ ุนู† ุทุฑูŠู‚ ู…ุจุงุฏุฑุฉ ุฃูˆุณู„ูˆ ู„ู„ุณู„ุงู… ุจูŠู† ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจูŠู†ุŒ
35:03
I was wounded by settlers, and my brother was killed.
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ุฌูุฑุญุช ุนู„ู‰ ูŠุฏ ุงู„ู…ุณุชูˆุทู†ูŠู† ูˆู‚ูุชู„ ุฃุฎูŠ.
35:07
What more do I have to prove
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ู…ุงุฐุง ุจุนุฏ ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ุฃุซุจุชุŒ ุฑุบู… ูƒู„ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุชุถุญูŠุงุชุŒ
35:10
that even though all of these prices,
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35:13
I'm still willing to see Ami as my best partner,
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ู…ุง ุฒู„ุช ุนู„ู‰ ุงุณุชุนุฏุงุฏ ู„ุฑุคูŠุฉ ุนุงู…ูŠ ูƒุดุฑูŠูƒูŠ ุงู„ุฃูุถู„ุŒ
35:17
my best human being and my best friend?
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ุฃูุถู„ ุฅู†ุณุงู† ูˆุฃูุถู„ ุตุฏูŠู‚ ู„ูŠุŸ
35:20
What do I have to do more to prove to the world that I am capable
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ู…ุงุฐุง ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ุฃูุนู„ ุฃูƒุซุฑ ู„ุฃุซุจุช ู„ู„ุนุงู„ู… ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ู‚ุงุฏุฑ
35:25
and I deserve dignity because Ami's security is my top priority?
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ูˆุฃุณุชุญู‚ ุงู„ูƒุฑุงู…ุฉ ู„ุฃู† ุฃู…ู† ุนุงู…ูŠ ู‡ูˆ ุฃูˆู„ูˆูŠุชูŠ ุงู„ู‚ุตูˆู‰ุŸ
35:32
What do I have to do more?
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ู…ุงุฐุง ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ุฃูุนู„ ุฃูƒุซุฑ ู…ู† ุฐู„ูƒุŸ
35:33
But with these dictators who are managing both of us,
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ูˆู„ูƒู† ู…ุน ู‡ุคู„ุงุก ุงู„ุทุบุงุฉ ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ูŠุฏูŠุฑูˆู† ูƒู„ุง ู…ู†ุงุŒ
35:39
nothing, no voice is heard
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ู„ุง ุดูŠุกุŒ ูˆู„ุง ุตูˆุช ูŠูุณู…ุนุŒ ู„ุฃู†ู‡ู… ูŠุนุฑููˆู† ูƒูŠู ูŠุฏู…ุฑูˆู†.
35:42
because they know how to destroy.
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35:44
Both sides, their leadership.
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ูƒู„ุง ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจูŠู†ุŒ ู‚ูŠุงุฏุชู‡ู…ุง.
35:46
Number two, I am teaching my kids my story.
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ุซุงู†ูŠู‹ุงุŒ ุฃุนู„ู‘ู… ุฃุทูุงู„ูŠ ู‚ุตุชูŠ.
35:53
But I'm not teaching them just my story.
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ู„ูƒู†ู†ูŠ ู„ุง ุฃุนู„ู…ู‡ู… ู‚ุตุชูŠ ูู‚ุท.
35:56
I'm teaching them the story of an Israeli mother
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ุฃุนู„ู…ู‡ู… ู‚ุตุฉ ุฃู… ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ูŠุฉ
35:59
who had lost her daughter by a suicide bomber,
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ูู‚ุฏุช ุงุจู†ุชู‡ุง ุจุณุจุจ ุนู…ู„ูŠุฉ ุงู†ุชุญุงุฑูŠุฉุŒ
36:02
and sheโ€™s still willing to stand for our mothers and women.
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ูˆู„ุง ุชุฒุงู„ ู…ุณุชุนุฏุฉ ู„ู„ุฏูุงุน ุนู† ุฃู…ู‡ุงุชู†ุง ูˆู†ุณุงุฆู†ุง.
36:08
These stories have to be taught, and the world has to repeat them.
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ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู‚ุตุต ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ุชูุนู„ู‘ูŽู…ุŒ ูˆูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ูŠุฑุฏุฏู‡ุง ุงู„ุนุงู„ู….
36:13
And I'm so thankful to you to give us, me and Ami,
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ูˆุฃู†ุง ู…ู…ุชู† ุฌุฏู‹ุง ู„ูƒ ู„ุฅุนุทุงุฆู†ุงุŒ ุฃู†ุง ูˆุนุงู…ูŠุŒ
36:16
this platform to tell the world that whatever the world will do,
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ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู…ู†ุตุฉ ู„ู†ุฎุจุฑ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู… ุฃู†ู‡ ู…ู‡ู…ุง ุณูŠูุนู„ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…ุŒ
36:23
we will never give up each other because we cannot.
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ู„ู† ู†ุชุฎู„ู‰ ุนู† ุจุนุถู†ุง ุฃุจุฏู‹ุง ู„ุฃู†ู†ุง ู„ุง ู†ุณุชุทูŠุน.
36:27
You know, I speak to Israeli soldiers sometimes before they go to the army.
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ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูŠู†ุŒ ุฃุชุญุฏุซ ุฃุญูŠุงู†ู‹ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฌู†ูˆุฏ ุงู„ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ูŠูŠู† ู‚ุจู„ ุฃู† ูŠุฐู‡ุจูˆุง ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฌูŠุด.
36:31
I tell them, listen, you are not going to secure Israel.
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ุฃู‚ูˆู„ ู„ู‡ู…ุŒ ุงุณู…ุนูˆุงุŒ ุฃู†ุชู… ู„ู† ุชุญู…ูˆุง ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„.
36:34
Your top priority is to secure the Palestinians.
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ุฃูˆู„ูˆูŠุชูƒู… ุงู„ู‚ุตูˆู‰ ู‡ูŠ ุญู…ุงูŠุฉ ุงู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠูŠู†.
36:39
You cannot refuse the army, fine.
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ู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒู… ุฑูุถ ุงู„ุฌูŠุดุŒ ุญุณู†ู‹ุง.
36:42
But don't be humiliating Palestinians because of that security issue.
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ู„ูƒู† ู„ุง ุชู‡ูŠู†ูˆุง ุงู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠูŠู† ุจุณุจุจ ู‚ุถูŠุฉ ุงู„ุญู…ุงูŠุฉ ุชู„ูƒ.
36:47
Because it's like drugs.
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ู„ุฃู†ู‡ุง ู…ุซู„ ุงู„ู…ุฎุฏุฑุงุช.
36:49
And when I tell Palestinians,
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ูˆุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุฃู‚ูˆู„ ู„ู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠูŠู†ุŒ
36:50
I'm not asking you to love the Jewish people,
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ุฃู†ุง ู„ุง ุฃุทู„ุจ ู…ู†ูƒู… ุฃู† ุชุญุจูˆุง ุงู„ุดุนุจ ุงู„ูŠู‡ูˆุฏูŠุŒ
36:53
I'm not asking you to jump tomorrow and hug the soldiers.
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ุฃู†ุง ู„ุง ุฃุทู„ุจ ู…ู†ูƒู… ุงู„ู‚ูุฒ ุบุฏู‹ุง ูˆุงุญุชุถุงู† ุงู„ุฌู†ูˆุฏ.
36:58
But I'm asking you to love yourself first,
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ู„ูƒู†ูŠ ุฃุทู„ุจ ู…ู†ูƒู… ุฃู† ุชุญุจูˆุง ุฃู†ูุณูƒู… ุฃูˆู„ู‹ุงุŒ
37:01
because when we start loving ourselves,
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ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ู†ุจุฏุฃ ููŠ ุญุจ ุฃู†ูุณู†ุงุŒ
37:03
we will be able to see the beauty of the other side.
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ุณู†ูƒูˆู† ู‚ุงุฏุฑูŠู† ุนู„ู‰ ุฑุคูŠุฉ ุฌู…ุงู„ ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจ ุงู„ุขุฎุฑ.
37:07
It's like exactly nonviolence.
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ุฅู†ู‡ ู…ุซู„ ุงู„ู„ุงุนู†ู ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง.
37:10
Nonviolence is, you know,
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ุงู„ู„ุงุนู†ู ู‡ูˆุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ
37:12
it's not my humanity that is my weapon in nonviolence approach.
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ู„ูŠุณ ุฅู†ุณุงู†ูŠุชูŠ ุงู„ุชูŠ ู‡ูŠ ุณู„ุงุญูŠ ููŠ ู†ู‡ุฌ ุงู„ู„ุงุนู†ู.
37:16
It's Ami's humanity that's become my weapon.
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ุฅู†ู‡ุง ุฅู†ุณุงู†ูŠุฉ ุนุงู…ูŠ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุฃุตุจุญุช ุณู„ุงุญูŠ.
37:19
It's my enemy's humanity, who's supposed to be my enemy.
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ุฅู†ู‡ุง ุฅู†ุณุงู†ูŠุฉ ุนุฏูˆูŠุŒ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ูุชุฑุถ ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ุนุฏูˆูŠ.
37:23
These are lessons and practice that we teach our kids,
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ู‡ุฐู‡ ุฏุฑูˆุณ ูˆู…ู…ุงุฑุณุงุช ู†ุนู„ู‘ู…ู‡ุง ู„ุฃุทูุงู„ู†ุงุŒ
37:27
and we have to teach our kids every day.
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ูˆุนู„ูŠู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ุนู„ู‘ู…ู‡ุง ู„ุฃุทูุงู„ู†ุง ูƒู„ ูŠูˆู….
37:29
CSB: Thank you, Ali, for also sharing part of your powerful story
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ูƒ.ุด.ุจ.: ุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒ ูŠุง ุนู„ูŠู‘ ุนู„ู‰ ู…ุดุงุฑูƒุฉ ุฌุฒุก ู…ู† ู‚ุตุชูƒ ุงู„ู‚ูˆูŠุฉ ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง
37:33
and what brought you to this work.
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ูˆู…ุง ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุฏูุนูƒ ุฅู„ู‰ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุนู…ู„.
37:36
And thank you, Ami, for your answer as well.
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ูˆุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒ ูŠุง ุนุงู…ูŠ ุนู„ู‰ ุฅุฌุงุจุชูƒ ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง.
37:38
I think we have time for one more question,
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ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช ู„ุณุคุงู„ ุขุฎุฑุŒ
37:40
and several TED members have asked a version of this,
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ูˆู‚ุฏ ุทุฑุญ ุงู„ุนุฏูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุฃุนุถุงุก TED ู†ุณุฎุฉ ู…ู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุณุคุงู„ุŒ
37:43
which is that both of you hold these beliefs about Israel and Palestine,
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ูˆู‡ูˆ ุฃู† ูƒู„ุงูƒู…ุง ูŠุญู…ู„ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู…ุนุชู‚ุฏุงุช ุญูˆู„ ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ ูˆูู„ุณุทูŠู†ุŒ
37:47
that other respective Israelis and Palestinians
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ูˆุฃู† ูƒู„ ุงู„ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ูŠูŠู† ูˆุงู„ูู„ุณุทูŠู†ูŠูŠู† ุงู„ุขุฎุฑูŠู†ุŒ
37:50
have critiqued each of you for,
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ู‚ุฏ ุงู†ุชู‚ุฏูˆุง ูƒู„ ู…ู†ูƒู…ุง ุจุณุจุจู‡ุŒ
37:52
saying you're not advocating for your own community's interests enough.
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ู‚ุงุฆู„ูŠู† ุฃู†ูƒู…ุง ู„ุง ุชุฏุงูุนุงู† ุจู…ุง ููŠู‡ ุงู„ูƒูุงูŠุฉ ุนู† ู…ุตุงู„ุญ ู…ุฌุชู…ุนุงุชูƒู…ุง.
37:56
And so how do you respond to that?
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ููƒูŠู ุชุฑุฏุงู† ุนู„ู‰ ุฐู„ูƒุŸ
37:58
How do you make the case that what you believe is worth spreading?
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ูƒูŠู ุชู‚ุฏู…ุงู† ุงู„ุญุฌุฉ ุฃู† ู…ุง ุชุคู…ู†ุงู† ุจู‡ ูŠุณุชุญู‚ ุฃู† ูŠูู†ุดุฑุŸ
38:02
And let's go back to you, Ali, again.
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ู„ู†ุนูˆุฏ ุฅู„ูŠูƒ ูŠุง ุนู„ูŠู‘ ู…ุฑุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰.
38:05
AAA: I think my first community priority is peace.
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ุน.ุฃ.ุน.: ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุฃูˆู„ูˆูŠุชูŠ ุงู„ู…ุฌุชู…ุนูŠุฉ ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ู‰ ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุณู„ุงู….
38:10
But sometimes, what peace are we talking about?
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ู„ูƒู† ุฃุญูŠุงู†ู‹ุงุŒ ุนู† ุฃูŠู‘ ุณู„ุงู… ู†ุชุญุฏุซุŸ
38:13
Is it to be good kids and accept the status quo?
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ู‡ู„ ูŠุนู†ูŠ ุฃู† ู†ูƒูˆู† ุฃุทูุงู„ู‹ุง ุทูŠุจูŠู† ูˆู†ู‚ุจู„ ุงู„ูˆุถุน ุงู„ุฑุงู‡ู†ุŸ
38:16
This is not the peace that I'm advocating for.
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ู‡ุฐุง ู„ูŠุณ ุงู„ุณู„ุงู… ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุฃุฏุงูุน ุนู†ู‡.
38:21
You know, sometimes people ask me, "What do you do in life?"
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ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู†ุŒ ูŠุณุฃู„ู†ูŠ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุฃุญูŠุงู†ู‹ุง: โ€œู…ุงุฐุง ุชูุนู„ ููŠ ุงู„ุญูŠุงุฉุŸโ€
38:25
I tell them I collect garbage of others,
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ุฃู‚ูˆู„ ู„ู‡ู… ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ุฃุฌู…ุน ู‚ู…ุงู…ุฉ ุงู„ุขุฎุฑูŠู†ุŒ
38:29
but I make sure that I recycle that every day.
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ู„ูƒู†ู†ูŠ ุฃุชุฃูƒุฏ ู…ู† ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ุฃุนูŠุฏ ุชุฏูˆูŠุฑู‡ุง ูƒู„ ูŠูˆู….
38:33
Because otherwise it's easy to get broken.
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ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ุจุฎู„ุงู ุฐู„ูƒุŒ ู…ู† ุงู„ุณู‡ู„ ุฃู† ุชู†ู‡ุงุฑ.
38:37
So we're dealing with trauma.
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ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ู†ุญู† ู†ุชุนุงู…ู„ ู…ุน ุงู„ุตุฏู…ุงุช.
38:40
We are dealing with injustices every day.
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ู†ุญู† ู†ุชุนุงู…ู„ ู…ุน ุงู„ุธู„ู… ูƒู„ ูŠูˆู….
38:43
We are dealing with threats and violence every day.
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ู†ุญู† ู†ุชุนุงู…ู„ ู…ุน ุงู„ุชู‡ุฏูŠุฏุงุช ูˆุงู„ุนู†ู ูƒู„ ูŠูˆู….
38:47
Itโ€™s not easy to be a solution-maker.
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ู„ูŠุณ ู…ู† ุงู„ุณู‡ู„ ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู† ุตุงู†ุน ุญู„ูˆู„.
38:51
And by the way, I'm not optimistic.
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ูˆุจุงู„ู…ู†ุงุณุจุฉุŒ ุฃู†ุง ู„ุณุช ู…ุชูุงุฆู„ุงู‹.
38:54
What motivates me is not my optimism.
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ู…ุง ูŠุญูุฒู†ูŠ ู„ูŠุณ ุชูุงุคู„ูŠ.
38:58
What motivates me is my belief.
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ู…ุง ูŠุญูุฒู†ูŠ ู‡ูˆ ุฅูŠู…ุงู†ูŠ.
39:00
There is big difference between those who have hope
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ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ูุฑู‚ ูƒุจูŠุฑ ุจูŠู† ุฃูˆู„ุฆูƒ ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ู„ุฏูŠู‡ู… ุฃู…ู„
39:04
or those who are believers.
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ุฃูˆ ุฃูˆู„ุฆูƒ ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ู‡ู… ู…ุคู…ู†ูˆู†.
39:06
Give me one believer who managed to create change on this planet
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ุฃุนุทูŠู†ูŠ ู…ุคู…ู†ู‹ุง ูˆุงุญุฏู‹ุง ู†ุฌุญ ููŠ ุฅุญุฏุงุซ ุชุบูŠูŠุฑ ุนู„ู‰ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ูƒูˆูƒุจ
39:12
without paying the highest prices for that.
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ุฏูˆู† ุฏูุน ุฃุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃุซู…ุงู† ู„ุฐู„ูƒ.
39:15
From the prophets to politicians to nonviolence leaders,
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ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃู†ุจูŠุงุก ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณูŠูŠู†ุŒ ุฅู„ู‰ ู‚ุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ู„ุงุนู†ูุŒ
39:20
even to militant leaders.
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ูˆุญุชู‰ ุงู„ู‚ุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ู…ู†ุงุถู„ูŠู†.
39:23
There is always a price.
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ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุฏุงุฆู…ู‹ุง ุซู…ู†.
39:25
But nonviolence for me is not,
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ู„ูƒู† ุงู„ู„ุงุนู†ู ุจุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ู„ูŠ ู„ูŠุณ ูƒุฐู„ูƒุŒ
39:30
has not come by a promise from anyone
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ู„ู… ูŠุฃุชู ุจูˆุนุฏ ู…ู† ุฃูŠ ุดุฎุต
39:33
that Israel is going to give me my freedom tomorrow.
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ุฃู† ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„ ุณุชุนุทูŠู†ูŠ ุญุฑูŠุชูŠ ุบุฏู‹ุง.
39:36
My belief of nonviolence
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ุฅูŠู…ุงู†ูŠ ุจุงู„ู„ุงุนู†ู
39:39
because the one who killed my brother
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ู„ุฃู† ุงู„ุดุฎุต ุงู„ุฐูŠ ู‚ุชู„ ุฃุฎูŠุŒ ูˆุงู„ุดุฎุต ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุฃุฐู„ ูˆุงู„ุฏุชูŠ
39:44
and the one who humiliated my mother
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39:46
wanted to bury my humanity in the same grave of my brother.
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ุฃุฑุงุฏ ุฃู† ูŠุฏูู† ุฅู†ุณุงู†ูŠุชูŠ ููŠ ู†ูุณ ู‚ุจุฑ ุฃุฎูŠ.
39:51
I refuse for my humanity to be buried.
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ุฃุฑูุถู ุฃู† ุชูุฏูู† ุฅู†ุณุงู†ูŠุชูŠ.
39:54
Why?
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ู„ู…ุงุฐุงุŸ
39:55
Because I will never accept a freedom
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ู„ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ู„ู† ุฃู‚ุจู„ ุฃุจุฏู‹ุง ุงู„ุญุฑูŠุฉ
39:59
that will be built on other Jewish graves.
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ุงู„ุชูŠ ุณุชูุจู†ู‰ ุนู„ู‰ ู‚ุจูˆุฑ ูŠู‡ูˆุฏูŠุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰.
40:03
This is not the freedom that I want.
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ู‡ุฐู‡ ู„ูŠุณุช ุงู„ุญุฑูŠุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุฃุฑูŠุฏู‡ุง.
40:06
I want a freedom that will be built with other lives.
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ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ุงู„ุญุฑูŠุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุณุชูุจู†ู‰ ู…ุน ุญูŠุงุฉ ุงู„ุขุฎุฑูŠู†.
40:10
And for me, nonviolence,
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ูˆุจุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ู„ูŠุŒ ุงู„ู„ุงุนู†ูุŒ ู„ุง ุชุนุชู‚ุฏูˆู† ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ุฃุนูŠุด ููŠ ุงู„ุฌู†ุฉุŒ ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŸ
40:12
don't think that I live in a paradise, OK?
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40:15
My life is full of poison every day.
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ุญูŠุงุชูŠ ู…ู„ูŠุฆุฉ ุจุงู„ุณู…ูˆู… ูƒู„ ูŠูˆู….
40:18
Meeting those who are
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ู„ู‚ุงุก ุฃูˆู„ุฆูƒ ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ู‡ู…
40:23
like, full of hate, of anger.
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ู…ุซู„ุŒ ู…ูุซู‚ู„ูˆู† ุจุงู„ูƒุฑุงู‡ูŠุฉ ูˆุงู„ุบุถุจ.
40:28
But I can see the beauty of their humanity,
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ู„ูƒู† ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ูŠ ุฃู† ุฃุฑู‰ ุฌู…ุงู„ ุฅู†ุณุงู†ูŠุชู‡ู…ุŒ
40:32
and I can still take that to activism.
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ูˆู„ุง ูŠุฒุงู„ ุจุฅู…ูƒุงู†ูŠ ู†ู‚ู„ ุฐู„ูƒ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ู†ุดุงุท.
40:35
And I transform thousands of people.
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ูˆุฃุญูˆู„ู ุขู„ุงู ุงู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต.
40:38
Nonviolence gives me a taste of my life every day.
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ูŠู…ู†ุญู†ูŠ ุงู„ู„ุงุนู†ู ุทุนู…ู‹ุง ู„ุญูŠุงุชูŠ ูƒู„ ูŠูˆู….
40:42
Nonviolence gives me a reason to wake up in the morning
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ูŠู…ู†ุญู†ูŠ ุงู„ู„ุงุนู†ู ุณุจุจู‹ุง ู„ู„ุงุณุชูŠู‚ุงุธ ููŠ ุงู„ุตุจุงุญ
40:46
and be able to transform an officer in a checkpoint.
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ูˆูŠู…ู†ุญู†ูŠ ุงู„ู‚ุฏุฑุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุชุญูˆูŠู„ ุถุงุจุท ุนู†ุฏ ู†ู‚ุทุฉ ุงู„ุชูุชูŠุด.
40:50
And there are many stories.
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ูˆู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุงู„ุนุฏูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ู‚ุตุต.
40:51
Hopefully my manifesto will be public soon.
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ุขู…ู„ ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ุจูŠุงู†ูŠ ุงู„ุนุงู… ุนู„ู†ูŠู‹ุง ู‚ุฑูŠุจู‹ุง.
40:54
We don't need everyone to be in agreement
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ู„ุง ู†ุญุชุงุฌ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงุชูุงู‚ ุงู„ุฌู…ูŠุน
40:57
because when you build a bridge, you don't need millions.
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ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุชุจู†ูŠ ุฌุณุฑู‹ุงุŒ ู„ุง ุชุญุชุงุฌ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ู…ู„ุงูŠูŠู†.
41:00
You need a group of professionals with a good plan and good resources
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ุชุญุชุงุฌ ุฅู„ู‰ ู…ุฌู…ูˆุนุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุญุชุฑููŠู† ู…ุน ุฎุทุฉ ุฌูŠุฏุฉ ูˆู…ูˆุงุฑุฏ ุฌูŠุฏุฉ.
41:05
where millions can pass through afterward.
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ุญูŠุซ ูŠู…ูƒู† ู„ู„ู…ู„ุงูŠูŠู† ุงู„ู…ุฑูˆุฑ ุนุจุฑู‡ุง ุจุนุฏ ุฐู„ูƒ.
41:09
Nations are, in general, followers of good leadership.
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ุงู„ุฃู…ู…ุŒ ุจุดูƒู„ ุนุงู…ุŒ ุชุชุจุน ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ุฌูŠุฏุฉ.
41:13
We need leadership.
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ู†ุญู† ุจุญุงุฌุฉ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงุฏุฉ.
41:15
And we need those millions on the ground
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ูˆู†ุญู† ุจุญุงุฌุฉ ุฅู„ู‰ ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ู…ู„ุงูŠูŠู† ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃุฑุถ ูƒู…ุง ู‚ู„ุชุŒ
41:18
as I said,
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41:20
their interest is to have peace yesterday, not tomorrow.
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ู…ุตู„ุญุชู‡ู… ู‡ูŠ ุชุญู‚ูŠู‚ ุงู„ุณู„ุงู… ุงู„ุจุงุฑุญุฉ ูˆู„ูŠุณ ุบุฏู‹ุง.
41:24
AD: Ali, thank you, you got me to tear up earlier,
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ุน.ุฏ.: ุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒ ุนู„ูŠุŒ ู‚ุฏ ุฌุนู„ุชู†ูŠ ุฃุจูƒูŠ ููŠ ูˆู‚ุช ุณุงุจู‚ุŒ
41:27
which, thank you for that.
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ูˆู‡ูˆ ุฃู…ุฑูŒ ุฃุดูƒุฑูƒ ุนู„ูŠู‡.
ูƒู„ ู…ุง ู‚ู„ุชู‡.
41:30
Everything you said.
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41:31
What Ali is doing right now in the West Bank in Palestine
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ู…ุง ูŠูุนู„ู‡ ุนู„ูŠ ุงู„ุขู† ููŠ ุงู„ุถูุฉ ุงู„ุบุฑุจูŠุฉ ููŠ ูู„ุณุทูŠู†
41:35
is really hard.
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ุตุนุจ ู„ู„ุบุงูŠุฉ.
41:37
It is one thing that I want also people to take away from this chat
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ุงู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุงู„ูˆุญูŠุฏ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง ุฃู† ูŠุณุชุฎู„ุตู‡ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ู…ู† ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุฏุฑุฏุดุฉ
41:41
is that he's doing it.
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ู‡ูˆ ุฃู†ู‡ ูŠูุนู„ ุฐู„ูƒ.
41:43
There's another pervasive myth out there in the world
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ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุฃุณุทูˆุฑุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰ ู…ู†ุชุดุฑุฉ ููŠ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…
41:47
that someone like Ali could not be saying what he's saying and be safe.
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ุฃู† ุดุฎุตู‹ุง ู…ุซู„ ุนู„ูŠ ู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ู‡ ู‚ูˆู„ ู…ุง ูŠู‚ูˆู„ู‡ ูˆุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ููŠ ุฃู…ุงู†.
41:52
That Hamas would have killed him years ago for saying what he's saying.
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ุฃู† ุญู…ุงุณ ูƒุงู†ุช ุณุชู‚ุชู„ู‡ ู…ู†ุฐ ุณู†ูˆุงุช ุจุณุจุจ ู‚ูˆู„ ู…ุง ูŠู‚ูˆู„ู‡.
41:56
Well, there he is.
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ุญุณู†ุงุŒ ู‡ุง ู‡ูˆ ุฐุง.
41:57
He's going to go have dinner after this,
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ุณูŠุฐู‡ุจ ู„ุชู†ุงูˆู„ ุงู„ุนุดุงุก ุจุนุฏ ู‡ุฐุงุŒ ูˆู‡ูˆ ููŠ ุฃู…ุงู† ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง.
41:59
and he's perfectly safe.
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42:01
And so I think this is absolutely possible.
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ูˆุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ู…ู…ูƒู† ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง.
42:04
I also want to say, Ali, that, you know, you mentioned your prison,
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ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง ุฃู† ุฃู‚ูˆู„ุŒ ุนู„ูŠุŒ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ุŒ ุฃู†ูƒ ุฐูƒุฑุช ุณุฌู†ูƒุŒ
42:10
your mother, your brother,
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ูˆุฃู…ูƒ ูˆุฃุฎูŠูƒุŒ
42:11
and I know that I did not do this personally,
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ูˆุฃู†ุง ุฃุนู„ู… ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ู„ู… ุฃูุนู„ ู‡ุฐุง ุดุฎุตูŠู‹ุงุŒ
42:14
but I just want to say that I'm sorry.
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ู„ูƒู†ูŠ ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ูู‚ุท ุฃู† ุฃู‚ูˆู„ ุฅู†ู†ูŠ ุขุณู.
42:16
I think that that doesn't happen enough.
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ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ู„ุง ูŠุญุฏุซ ุจู…ุง ููŠู‡ ุงู„ูƒูุงูŠุฉ.
42:19
I'm extremely sorry for everything you have had to go through
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ุฃู†ุง ุขุณู ู„ู„ุบุงูŠุฉ ู„ูƒู„ ู…ุง ู…ุฑุฑุชูŽ ุจู‡
42:22
just for the accident of being born there.
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ู…ุฌุฑุฏ ุญุงุฏุซุฉ ูˆู„ุงุฏุชูƒ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ.
42:25
None of us chose where we were born.
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ู„ู… ูŠุฎุชุฑ ุฃูŠ ุดุฎุต ู…ู†ู‘ุง ู…ูƒุงู† ูˆู„ุงุฏุชู‡.
42:27
And so I think that ...
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ูˆู„ุฐุง ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†...
42:29
And the last thing I think is that -- sorry ...
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ูˆุฃุฎุฑ ุดูŠุก ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏู‡ ู‡ูˆ ุฃู† -- ุขุณู...
42:33
There's a human piece here.
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ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุฌุงู†ุจูŒ ุฅู†ุณุงู†ูŠ ู‡ู†ุง.
42:35
There are people in Israel
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ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุฃุดุฎุงุต ููŠ ุฅุณุฑุงุฆูŠู„
42:38
whose dream is to kick Ali out of his house
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ุฃุญู„ุงู…ู‡ู… ู‡ูŠ ุทุฑุฏ ุนู„ูŠ ู…ู† ู…ู†ุฒู„ู‡
42:42
and of where he is.
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ูˆู…ู† ู…ูƒุงู† ูˆุฌูˆุฏู‡.
42:44
And all I can say is, you'd have to go through me first,
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ูˆูƒู„ ู…ุง ุฃุณุชุทูŠุน ู‚ูˆู„ู‡ ู‡ูˆุŒ ูƒุงู† ูŠุชุนูŠู† ุนู„ูŠูƒ ุงู„ู…ุฑูˆุฑ ู…ู† ุฎู„ุงู„ูŠ ุฃูˆู„ู‹ุงุŒ
42:47
because the human piece here is more important
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ู„ุฃู† ุงู„ุฌุงู†ุจ ุงู„ุฅู†ุณุงู†ูŠ ู‡ู†ุง ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุฃู‡ู…
42:50
than any kind of national slogan.
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ุฃูƒุซุฑ ู…ู† ุฃูŠ ู†ูˆุน ู…ู† ุงู„ุดุนุงุฑุงุช ุงู„ูˆุทู†ูŠุฉ.
42:53
And so, yeah,
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ูˆู„ุฐุงุŒ ู†ุนู…ุŒ
42:55
you don't remove Ali from this place without having to go through some of us
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ู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ุฃู† ุชุฒูŠู„ ุนู„ูŠ ู…ู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ูƒุงู† ุฏูˆู† ุฃู† ุชู…ุฑ ู…ู† ุฎู„ุงู„ ุจุนุถู†ุง
43:01
to do that.
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ู„ู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจุฐู„ูƒ.
43:02
So thank you all for having us.
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ูุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒู… ุฌู…ูŠุนู‹ุง ุนู„ู‰ ุงุณุชุถุงูุชู†ุง.
43:03
I know we're pretty close to the ending here.
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ุฃุนู„ู… ุฃู†ู†ุง ู‚ุฑูŠุจูˆู† ุฌุฏู‹ุง ู…ู† ุงู„ู†ู‡ุงูŠุฉ ู‡ู†ุง.
ุดูƒุฑุง ู„ุฃูˆู„ุฆูƒ ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ุจู‚ูˆุง ู…ุนู†ุง.
43:06
Thanks for those who stuck with us.
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43:08
And, Ali, more more power to you.
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ูˆูŠุง ุนู„ูŠุŒ ู…ุฒูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ู‚ูˆุฉ ู„ูƒ.
43:10
AAA: Thank you, Ami, thank you.
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ุน.ุฃ.ุน.: ุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒ ูŠุง ุนุงู…ูŠุŒุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒ
43:13
Thank you.
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ุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒู….
43:15
CSB: Thank you both so much for this incredibly moving, powerful,
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ูƒ. ุด. ุจ.: ุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ุฌุฒูŠู„ุงู‹ ู„ูƒู„ูŠูƒู…ุง ุนู„ู‰ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู†ู‚ุงุด ุงู„ู…ุคุซุฑ ูˆุงู„ู‚ูˆูŠ ู„ู„ุบุงูŠุฉ
43:18
and productive discussion.
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ูˆุงู„ู†ู‚ุงุด ุงู„ู…ุซู…ุฑ.
43:20
Thank you again, Ali, Ami, have a wonderful day.
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ุดูƒุฑุง ู„ูƒ ู…ุฑุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰ ูŠุง ุนู„ูŠ ูˆุนุงู…ูŠุŒ ุฃุชู…ู†ู‰ ู„ูƒู…ุง ูŠูˆู…ู‹ุง ุฑุงุฆุนู‹ุง.
43:23
And we wish you well.
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ูˆู†ุชู…ู†ู‰ ู„ูƒู… ูƒู„ ุงู„ุชูˆููŠู‚.
43:26
AAA: Thank you for having us.
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ุน.ุฃ.ุน.: ุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒู… ุนู„ู‰ ุงุณุชุถุงูุชู†ุง.
[ู‡ู„ ุชุฑุบุจ ููŠ ุงู„ุงู†ุถู…ุงู… ุฅู„ู‰ ู…ุญุงุฏุซุงุช ู…ุซู„ ู‡ุฐู‡ ู…ุจุงุดุฑุฉุŸ]
43:28
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ุณูŠู‚ุฏู… ู„ูƒ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ูˆู‚ุน ู…ู‚ุงุทุน ููŠุฏูŠูˆ YouTube ุงู„ู…ููŠุฏุฉ ู„ุชุนู„ู… ุงู„ู„ุบุฉ ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ. ุณุชุฑู‰ ุฏุฑูˆุณ ุงู„ู„ุบุฉ ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ูŠุชู… ุชุฏุฑูŠุณู‡ุง ู…ู† ู‚ุจู„ ู…ุฏุฑุณูŠู† ู…ู† ุงู„ุฏุฑุฌุฉ ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ู‰ ู…ู† ุฌู…ูŠุน ุฃู†ุญุงุก ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…. ุงู†ู‚ุฑ ู†ู‚ุฑู‹ุง ู…ุฒุฏูˆุฌู‹ุง ููˆู‚ ุงู„ุชุฑุฌู…ุฉ ุงู„ุฅู†ุฌู„ูŠุฒูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ุนุฑูˆุถุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ูƒู„ ุตูุญุฉ ููŠุฏูŠูˆ ู„ุชุดุบูŠู„ ุงู„ููŠุฏูŠูˆ ู…ู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ. ูŠุชู… ุชู…ุฑูŠุฑ ุงู„ุชุฑุฌู…ุงุช ุจุงู„ุชุฒุงู…ู† ู…ุน ุชุดุบูŠู„ ุงู„ููŠุฏูŠูˆ. ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู† ู„ุฏูŠูƒ ุฃูŠ ุชุนู„ูŠู‚ุงุช ุฃูˆ ุทู„ุจุงุช ุŒ ูŠุฑุฌู‰ ุงู„ุงุชุตุงู„ ุจู†ุง ุจุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู… ู†ู…ูˆุฐุฌ ุงู„ุงุชุตุงู„ ู‡ุฐุง.

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