Speak English With Us: 2 Hour English Listening Practice

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Speak English With Vanessa


์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋œ ์ž๋ง‰์€ ๊ธฐ๊ณ„ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

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Vanessa: Are you readyย ย 
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to join me on a journey? For the next two hours,ย  you're going to immerse yourself in a wonderfulย ย 
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Vanessa:
์ €์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์—ฌํ–‰์„ ๋– ๋‚  ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ๋˜์…จ๋‚˜์š”? ์•ž์œผ๋กœ 2์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ์˜์–ด ๋Œ€ํ™”์— ํ ๋ป‘ ๋น ์ ธ๋“ค๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
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English conversation. This conversation is withย  two American English speakers, me and my husband,ย ย 
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. ์ด ๋Œ€ํ™”๋Š” ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•˜๋Š” ๋‘ ๋ช…์˜ ์ €์™€ ์ œ ๋‚จํŽธ
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Dan. You asked us some wonderful questionsย  related to three separate topics, pregnancy,ย ย 
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Dan๊ณผ์˜ ๋Œ€ํ™”์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž„์‹ ,
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parenting, and education. And during the next twoย  hours, you are going to join us on the journey.ย ย 
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์œก์•„, ๊ต์œก์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์„ธ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ฃผ์ œ์™€ ๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•ž์œผ๋กœ 2 ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์—ฌ์ •์— ๋™์ฐธํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก
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Make sure that you turn on your English listeningย  ears so that you can understand everything we'reย ย 
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์˜์–ด ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ์˜ ๊ท€๋ฅผ ์ผœ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค
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talking about. You're welcome to click CC soย  that you can view the full subtitles for theseย ย 
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. CC๋ฅผ ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์ด ์„ธ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋Œ€ํ™”์˜ ์ „์ฒด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋ณด์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
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three conversations. Or you can just watch thisย  lesson and you will see the key vocabulary appearย ย 
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. ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์ด ๊ฐ•์˜๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์ฃผ์š” ์–ดํœ˜๊ฐ€
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on the screen. This is to help you be able toย  catch every important expression that we use.ย 
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ํ™”๋ฉด์— ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ํ‘œํ˜„์„ ํŒŒ์•…ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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Hi, I'm Vanessa from speakenglishwithvanessa.com.ย  And like always, I have created a free PDFย ย 
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์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”, ์ €๋Š”peakenglishwithvanessa.com์˜ Vanessa์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋Š˜ ๊ทธ๋žฌ๋“ฏ,
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worksheet for you. This is not an ordinaryย  PDF, though. This is an extra, mega, superย ย 
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋ฌด๋ฃŒ PDFย ย  ์›Œํฌ์‹œํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ PDF๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์€
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long PDF with all of today's importantย  vocabulary, expressions, definitions,ย ย 
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์˜ค๋Š˜์˜ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์–ดํœ˜, ํ‘œํ˜„, ์ •์˜,
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sample sentences. There is so much here. Andย  at the end of the free PDF worksheet is a quiz.ย ย 
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์ƒ˜ํ”Œ ๋ฌธ์žฅ์ด ๋ชจ๋‘ ํฌํ•จ๋œ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธธ๊ณ  ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธด PDF์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฌด๋ฃŒ PDF ์›Œํฌ์‹œํŠธ ๋์—๋Š” ํ€ด์ฆˆ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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I want you to test yourself and see if you canย  remember the key vocabulary that you learned overย ย 
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this two hour conversation journey. You can clickย  on the link in the description to download thisย ย 
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์ด 2์‹œ๊ฐ„์˜ ๋Œ€ํ™” ์—ฌ์ •์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ๋ฐฐ์šด ์ฃผ์š” ์–ดํœ˜๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์Šค์Šค๋กœ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธํ•ด ๋ณด์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์„ค๋ช…์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋งํฌ๋ฅผ ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด
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free PDF worksheet today. All right, let's getย  started with the first conversation topic, whichย ย 
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์ง€๊ธˆ ๋ฌด๋ฃŒ PDF ์›Œํฌ์‹œํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋‹ค์šด๋กœ๋“œํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ๋Œ€ํ™” ์ฃผ์ œ์ธ
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is pregnancy. Let's go. All right. Are you readyย  to get started with the first category, pregnancy?
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์ž„์‹ ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ‘์‹œ๋‹ค. ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์€. ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์นดํ…Œ๊ณ ๋ฆฌ์ธ ์ž„์‹ ์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ๋˜์…จ๋‚˜์š”?
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Dan: I'm so ready.
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๋Œ„: ๋‚œ ์ค€๋น„๋์–ด.
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Vanessa: Okay, well, I got a big old bellyย ย 
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Vanessa: ์ข‹์•„์š”, ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์ €๋Š”
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that's ready to talk about pregnancy. Let's talkย  about the first question, which comes from Olga.
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์ž„์‹ ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๋งŒํผ ๋ฑƒ์‚ด์ด ์ปธ์–ด์š”. Olga๊ฐ€ ๋ณด๋‚ธ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ด ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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Dan: Olga.
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๋Œ„: ์˜ฌ๊ฐ€.
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Vanessa: Well, you mightย ย 
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Vanessa: ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”,
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or might not know that we have a name for ourย  baby. First of all, is our baby a boy or a girl?
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„๊ธฐ์˜ ์ด๋ฆ„์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑธ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด์‹ค ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋ชจ๋ฅด์‹ค ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์–ด์š” . ์šฐ์„ , ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„๊ธฐ๋Š” ๋‚จ์ž์•„์ด์ธ๊ฐ€์š”, ์—ฌ์ž์•„์ด์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
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Dan: She's a girl.
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๋Œ„: ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ์—ฌ์ž์˜ˆ์š”.
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Vanessa: Yes. So we have a five-year-old boy,ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” 5์‚ด์งœ๋ฆฌ ๋‚จ์ž์•„์ด,
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a three-year-old boy, and now we're going toย  have a third child who's a girl. Very exciting.
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3์‚ด์งœ๋ฆฌ ๋‚จ์ž์•„์ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ณ , ์ด์ œ ์—ฌ์ž์•„์ด์ธ ์„ธ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งค์šฐ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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Dan: Hooray.
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Vanessa: And she has a name.
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๋Œ„: ๋งŒ์„ธ.
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๋ฆ„๋„ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
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Dan: Yes. What is it?
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๋Œ„: ๋„ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
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Vanessa: Well, Olga's question is about that.
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Vanessa: ์Œ, Olga์˜ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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Dan: Oh.
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Vanessa: She says, "I love the name you chose, Matilda."
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๋Œ„: ์•„.
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: "๋„ค๊ฐ€ ์„ ํƒํ•œ ์ด๋ฆ„์ด ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“ ๋‹ค, ๋งˆํ‹ธ๋‹ค."
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Dan: Matilda.
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๋Œ„: ๋งˆํ‹ธ๋‹ค.
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Vanessa: She said, "Matilda is my favorite Roaldย ย 
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” "Matilda๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” Roald
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Dahl book for children. Did you have any specificย  inspiration when choosing this beautiful name?"ย ย 
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Dahl ์–ด๋ฆฐ์ด์šฉ ์ฑ…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์šด ์ด๋ฆ„์„ ์„ ํƒํ•  ๋•Œ ํŠน๋ณ„ํ•œ ์˜๊ฐ์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜๋‚˜์š”?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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Thank you, Olga. So yeah, what do you think? Didย  we have any inspiration for choosing this name?
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๊ณ ๋งˆ์›Œ์š”, ์˜ฌ๊ฐ€. ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด? ์ด ์ด๋ฆ„์„ ์„ ํƒํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋œ ๊ณ„๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
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Dan: No, not really. I don'tย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”, ๊ผญ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์•„์š”.
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know if you did. So my process was to look atย  the most popular names, the top ,1000, basically.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๋žฌ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚ด ํ”„๋กœ์„ธ์Šค๋Š” ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ธ๊ธฐ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ด๋ฆ„์ธ ์ƒ์œ„ 1000๊ฐœ๋ฅผ ์‚ดํŽด๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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Vanessa: 1,000.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: 1,000.
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Dan: Yes. I scrolledย ย 
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๋Œ„: ๋„ค. ๋ชจ๋‘ ์Šคํฌ๋กคํ•ด์„œ ๋งˆ์Œ์—
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through all of them and I just wrote down theย  ones that I liked and I saw Matilda and I thought,ย ย 
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๋“œ๋Š” ์ด๋ฆ„๋งŒ ์ ์–ด๋‘์—ˆ๊ณ  ๋งˆํ‹ธ๋‹ค๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ 
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"Hmm, that's a pretty cool name, but I don'tย  think Vanessa will like it." So I wrote down,ย ย 
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"ํ , ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ ๊ฝค ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ์ด๋ฆ„์ธ๋ฐ ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„."๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
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I don't know, 25 names. And Vanessa does theย  same thing and she writes down two names.
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์ด๋ฆ„์„ 25๊ฐœ๋‚˜ ์ ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.ย ย  ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  Vanessa๋Š” ๋™์ผํ•œ ์ž‘์—…์„ ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ด๋ฆ„ ๋‘ ๊ฐœ๋ฅผ ์ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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Vanessa: I said no to a lot of names.
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Vanessa: ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฑฐ์ ˆ์„ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
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Dan: She wroteย ย 
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down two names. One was Louiseย  and the other one was Matilda.
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š”
์ด๋ฆ„ ๋‘ ๊ฐœ๋ฅผ ์ ์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ํ•œ ๋ช…์€ Louise ์ด๊ณ  ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํ•œ ๋ช…์€ Matilda์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:09
Vanessa: Yep.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
03:10
Dan: And I was like,ย ย 
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03:10
"Matilda, really?" And I was like,ย  "Why?" And I don't even know if youย ย 
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š”
'๋งˆํ‹ธ๋‹ค, ์ •๋ง์š”?'๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” '์™œ?'๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
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had a good answer. Well, I mean, thereย  is no good answer. What is your answer?
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์ข‹์€ ๋‹ต๋ณ€์ด ๋˜์…จ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ๋„ค์š”. ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์ข‹์€ ๋Œ€๋‹ต์€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋Œ€๋‹ต์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ๊ฐ€?
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Vanessa: I don't know.
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Dan: Because I didn't even decide it.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”.
Dan: ์™œ๋ƒ๋ฉด ๋‚œ ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜์ง€๋„ ์•Š์•˜๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
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Vanessa: I think what sold me on the name was not so muchย ย 
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Vanessa: ์ด๋ฆ„์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜๋ฅผ ์„ค๋“ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€
03:24
the full name, but I really like the nickname,ย  which is Tilly. I think Matilda in English,ย ย 
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ํ’€๋„ค์ž„๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ํ‹ธ๋ฆฌ๋ผ๋Š” ๋ณ„๋ช…์ด ์ •๋ง ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š” . ์˜์–ด๋กœ ๋งˆํ‹ธ๋‹ค(Matilda)๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ,
03:30
it sounds very strong. It's not an extremelyย  feminine name, but I feel like the nickname,ย ย 
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์•„์ฃผ ๊ฐ•ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋“ค๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์—„์ฒญ ์—ฌ์„ฑ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ์ด๋ฆ„์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ํ‹ธ๋ฆฌ๋ผ๋Š” ๋ณ„๋ช…์ด
03:37
Tilly, is very cute. This is absolutely unknownย  in the US. It is so unusual in the US, but it's-
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์ฐธ ๊ท€์—ฌ์šด ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์ด๋Š” ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ๋Š” ์ „ํ˜€ ์•Œ๋ ค์ ธ ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ๋Š” ์•„์ฃผ ํŠน์ดํ•œ ์ผ์ธ๋ฐ,
03:45
Dan: To be called Matilda.
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Dan: ๋งˆํ‹ธ๋‹ค๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฅด๋ ค๊ณ ์š”.
03:46
Vanessa: ... Yeah, to be calledย ย 
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Vanessa: ... ๋„ค,
03:47
Matilda or Tilly, I think in theย  US on those lists, it was like...
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Matilda๋‚˜ Tilly๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฅด๋ ค๋ฉด ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋ชฉ๋ก์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”...
03:51
Dan: It's in 400s.
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Dan: 400๋…„๋Œ€์ฃ .
03:52
Vanessa: Number 400. It wasย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: 400๋ฒˆ์ด์—์š”.
03:55
not popular at all. But in the UK, Australia,ย  a bunch of Nordic countries, it was like topย ย 
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์ „ํ˜€ ์ธ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์—†์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์˜๊ตญ, ํ˜ธ์ฃผ, ๋ถ์œ ๋Ÿฝ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ๋Š” ์ƒ์œ„ 20์œ„๊ถŒ ์ •๋„์˜€์–ด์š”.
04:01
20. I was so surprised. So I don't know whyย  the US is lagging behind, but we are here to-
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋†€๋ž์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ด ์™œ ๋’ค์ฒ˜์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:06
Dan: We always are.
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Dan: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:07
Vanessa: ... Bring backย ย 
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Vanessa: ... ๋งˆํ‹ธ๋‹ค๋ฅผ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ถˆ๋Ÿฌ์˜ค์„ธ์š”.
04:08
Matilda and it's a old-fashioned name, andย  our other kids' names are old-fashioned names.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์˜›๋‚ ์‹ ์ด๋ฆ„์ด๊ณ , ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์•„์ด๋“ค์˜ ์ด๋ฆ„๋„ ์˜›๋‚ ์‹ ์ด๋ฆ„์ด์—์š”.
04:14
Dan: Yeah, it definitely fits in with the other names.
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Dan: ๋„ค, ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ด๋ฆ„๋“ค๊ณผ ์ž˜ ์–ด์šธ๋ฆฌ๋„ค์š”.
04:16
Vanessa: Yeah, Theodore, Frederick, Matilda. Andย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘, ํ…Œ์˜ค๋„๋ฅด, ํ”„๋ ˆ๋“œ๋ฆญ, ๋งˆํ‹ธ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
04:18
each name has a shortened version, Theo, Freddie,ย  Tilly. So it kind of fit the theme of our family.
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๊ฐ ์ด๋ฆ„์—๋Š” Theo, Freddie, Tilly๋ผ๋Š” ์ถ•์•ฝํ˜•์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์˜ ์ฃผ์ œ์— ๋”ฑ ๋“ค์–ด๋งž๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
04:24
Dan: We like to have big, bold names and then weย ย 
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Dan: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํฌ๊ณ  ๋Œ€๋‹ดํ•œ ์ด๋ฆ„์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๊ณ 
04:28
chop them up into smaller names that sound cute.ย  Although I think I might call her Matilda a lot.
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๊ท€์—ฝ๊ฒŒ ๋“ค๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ž‘์€ ์ด๋ฆ„์œผ๋กœ ์ž˜๋ผ๋ƒ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋…€๋ฅผ ๋งˆํ‹ธ๋‹ค๋ผ๊ณ  ์ž์ฃผ ๋ถ€๋ฅผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๋‹ค.
04:33
Vanessa: Yeah, we've been calling her Matilda so far.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๋„ค, ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋…€๋ฅผ ๋งˆํ‹ธ๋‹ค๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถˆ๋Ÿฌ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:35
Dan: That name has grown on me quiteย ย 
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Dan: ๊ทธ ์ด๋ฆ„์€ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฝค ย ย  ์กฐ๊ธˆ ์ปค์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:37
a bit because at first I was like, it's reallyย  strong. To Americans, it sounds really strong,ย ย 
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ฒ˜์Œ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ ์ด๋ฆ„์ด ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ•ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋“ค๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ
04:43
I think. Although most people we've talked to,ย  they've been like, "Matilda's so cute. I love it."
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๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆˆ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ '๋งˆํ‹ธ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ท€์—ฌ์›Œ์š”. ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„์š”'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
04:50
Vanessa: Yeah, it's really unusual.
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04:50
Dan: We've gotten reallyย ย 
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04:50
good reactions about it. But the more I say itย  and the more I hear my kids say it especially-
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘, ์ •๋ง ํŠน์ดํ•œ ์ผ์ด์•ผ.
Dan: ์ •๋ง
์ข‹์€ ๋ฐ˜์‘์„ ์–ป์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋งํ• ์ˆ˜๋ก ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํŠนํžˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ๋“ฃ๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:56
Vanessa: Oh, it's so cute when they say it.
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Vanessa: ์•„, ๊ทธ ๋ง์„ ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ท€์—ฌ์›Œ์š”.
04:58
Dan: ... Like when Theo and Freddie say,ย ย 
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Dan: ... ํ…Œ์˜ค์™€ ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””๊ฐ€
04:59
"Oh, how's Matilda in there?" It's very cute.ย  So I think I'm just going to call her Matilda.
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'์•„, ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ ๋งˆํ‹ธ๋‹ค๋Š” ์–ด๋•Œ?'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ง์ด์ฃ . ๋งค์šฐ ๊ท€์—ฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋งˆํ‹ธ๋‹ค๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฅด๊ธฐ๋กœ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
05:06
Vanessa: Yeah, we'll see.
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05:06
Dan: Actually her middle name is Mai, soย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘, ๋‘๊ณ  ๋ณด์ž.
Dan: ์‚ฌ์‹ค ๊ทธ๋…€์˜ ์ค‘๊ฐ„ ์ด๋ฆ„์€ Mai์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
05:09
that's actually my grandma's middle name. And soย  we decided to take that and call her Matilda Mai.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํ• ๋จธ๋‹ˆ์˜ ์ค‘๊ฐ„ ์ด๋ฆ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ด๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋…€๋ฅผ Matilda Mai๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฅด๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:16
Vanessa: Yeah, or Tilly Mai.
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Vanessa: ์‘, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด Tilly Mai.
05:17
Dan: Or Tillyย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ํ‹ธ๋ฆฌ
05:18
Mai. So I'll probably callย  her all of those things.
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๋งˆ์ด. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ทธ๋…€๋ฅผ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค๋กœ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋ถ€๋ฅผ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:20
Vanessa: All right, let's go onย ย 
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Vanessa: ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:21
to our next question. Wafa has a questionย  about deciding to have a third child.
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๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์œผ๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Wafa๋Š” ์„ธ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์ž๋…€๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:26
Dan: Oh, dear.
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05:26
Vanessa: She said, "Many families hesitate before decidingย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์•„, ์–˜์•ผ.
Vanessa: "๋งŽ์€ ๊ฐ€์กฑ๋“ค์ด
05:29
to have a third child. So was it your case? Didย  you have any concerns about deciding to have aย ย 
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์…‹์งธ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์— ๋ง์„ค์ด๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ๋„ ๊ทธ๋žฌ๋‚˜์š”? ์…‹์งธ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•  ๋•Œ ๊ณ ๋ฏผ์€ ์—†์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”
05:34
third child?" This is a deeper question. Did weย  have any concerns about having a third child?
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?" ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋” ๊นŠ์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์…‹์งธ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์šฐ๋ ค๋˜๋Š” ์ ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
05:40
Dan: Well, yes,ย ย 
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Dan: ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:42
for sure both of us hesitated quite a bit. Iย  hesitated less because in my family growing up,ย ย 
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ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ๊ฝค ๋ง์„ค์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์€ ์…‹์ด์„œ ์ž๋ž๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋ง์„ค์ž„์ด ๋œํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
05:51
there were three of us. So actually it'sย  exactly the same as my family's going to be.ย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์ด ๊ฒช๊ฒŒ ๋  ์ƒํ™ฉ๊ณผ ๋˜‘๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:56
So I have one brother and one sister, olderย  brother, older sister. I'm in the middle.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๋‚จ๋™์ƒ ํ•œ ๋ช…, ๋ˆ„๋‚˜ ํ•œ ๋ช…, ํ˜• , ๋ˆ„๋‚˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ค‘๊ฐ„์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:00
Vanessa: Younger sister.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์—ฌ๋™์ƒ.
06:02
Dan: Younger sister. Andย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์—ฌ๋™์ƒ. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
06:04
so it just seemed kind of natural to me to haveย  three kids in the family. And so I was into theย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ฐ€์กฑ ์ค‘ ์„ธ ๋ช…์˜ ์ž๋…€๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๋‹ค์†Œ ์ž์—ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ณด์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์•„์ด๋””์–ด์— ํ‘น ๋น ์กŒ๊ณ ,
06:12
idea and I would've probably been somewhatย  disappointed if we didn't shoot for three.
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3์ ์„ ์ฐ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค๋ฉด ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋‹ค์†Œ ์‹ค๋งํ–ˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:17
Vanessa: Sure, yeah, we talked about that.
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Vanessa: ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด์ฃ , ์˜ˆ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:19
Dan: But I would've ultimatelyย ย 
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Dan: ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ์—๋Š”
06:20
been okay with it because yeah, when you takeย  out a piece of paper and you start writing down,ย ย 
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๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•˜์„ ๊ฑฐ์—์š”. ์™œ๋ƒ๋ฉด ์ข…์ด๋ฅผ ๊บผ๋‚ด์„œ ์ ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋ฉด
06:26
why do I want a third kid? And you'reย  like, I don't even know, this is goingย ย 
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์™œ ์…‹์งธ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๊ฑธ๊นŒ์š”? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ' ๋‚˜๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด, ์ด๊ฑด
06:29
to be a lot more work and we're going to haveย  to have a minivan forever and stuff like that.
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ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์ผ์ด ๋  ๊ฑฐ์•ผ. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์˜์›ํžˆ ๋ฏธ๋‹ˆ๋ฐด์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฑฐ์•ผ' ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์‹์œผ๋กœ์š”.
06:33
Vanessa:ย 
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Vanessa:
06:34
Yeah, and you don't have to dealย  with this, so it's a lot easier for-
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๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌํ•  ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์‰ฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:37
Dan: Well, that's another thing altogether.
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Dan: ์Œ, ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ „ํ˜€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฌธ์ œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:38
Vanessa: ... The man to say, "Oh sure,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ... "๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด์ง€,
06:40
let's have three kids." And for me, I think thereย  is a lot more hesitation and I think rightly so,ย ย 
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์•„์ด ์…‹์„ ๋‚ณ์ž"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋‚จ์ž. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋กœ์„œ๋Š” ๋ง์„ค์ž„์ด ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๊ณ  ๋‹น์—ฐํžˆ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ๋„
06:46
I want to make sure that it's a good decisionย  for our family. I definitely hesitate more andย ย 
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์ข‹์€ ๊ฒฐ์ •์ด์—ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๋” ๋ง์„ค์ด๊ณ 
06:51
I think that that's very normal consideringย  I have to be pregnant, I have to give birth,ย ย 
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์ž„์‹ ๋„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ , ์ถœ์‚ฐ๋„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ ,
06:58
I have to breastfeed our child. There's a lotย  more duties on me and run this business and takeย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด์—๊ฒŒ ๋ชจ์œ ์ˆ˜์œ ๋ฅผ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์„ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋งค์šฐ ์ •์ƒ์ ์ธ ์ผ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์ด ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ์šด์˜ํ•˜๊ณ 
07:04
care of our other children., so there's a lot ofย  hesitation. But in the end, I think it came downย ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ๋Œ๋ณด๋Š” ์ผ์ด ๋” ๋งŽ์•„ ๋ง์„ค์ž„์ด ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ์—๋Š” '
07:08
to the question of what if we chose not to? Wouldย  I feel like I was missing out on the unknown? Andย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๋ฉด ์–ด๋–กํ•˜์ง€?'๋ผ๋Š” ์งˆ๋ฌธ์œผ๋กœ ๊ท€๊ฒฐ๋œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์•Œ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋†“์น˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋Š๋‚Œ์ด ๋“ค๊นŒ์š”? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
07:18
I think a lot of women feel this, that when theyย  have one kid, maybe they expect that they'll haveย ย 
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๋งŽ์€ ์—ฌ์„ฑ๋“ค์ด ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ๋Š๋ผ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž๋…€๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋‚˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด ๋‘˜์งธ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๋‚ณ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
07:23
a second kid. And then the question of, am I done?ย  Am I done having children? That's a big question,ย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์„œ '๋‚˜๋Š” ๋๋‚ฌ๋‚˜์š”?'๋ผ๋Š” ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ์•„์ด ๋‚ณ๋Š” ๊ฑด ๋๋‚ฌ๋‚˜์š”? ๊ทธ๊ฑด ํฐ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ธ ๊ฒƒ
07:28
I think. A lot of moms that I know feelย  that really strongly, like am I done?ย 
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๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์—„๋งˆ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ ์ ์„ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ•ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋Š๋ผ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ๋๋‚ฌ๋‚˜์š”?
07:34
Can I be okay with being done having children?ย  How do I feel about that? And it's a reallyย ย 
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์•„์ด ๋‚ณ๊ณ ๋„ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ? ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๋Š”
07:38
tricky question to answer and very personal. Soย  if you have only two children, that can be okayย ย 
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๋‹ต๋ณ€ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ •๋ง ๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กญ๊ณ  ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ž๋…€๊ฐ€ ๋‘ ๋ช…๋ฟ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด
07:44
for your family. Our family's choice doesn'tย  have to be the same for everyone. So yeah,ย ย 
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๊ฐ€์กฑ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์˜ ์„ ํƒ์€ ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ ๋™์ผํ•  ํ•„์š”๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜,
07:49
it kind came down to, hmm, well, are we missingย  out on something? I don't know. Let's see.
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๊ฒฐ๋ก ์ ์œผ๋กœ๋Š”, ํ , ๊ธ€์Ž„, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋†“์น˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฑด ์•„๋‹๊นŒ? ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด๋”” ๋ณด์ž.
07:56
Dan: Were you shooting for a girl at all?
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Dan: ์—ฌ์ž๋ฅผ ๋Œ€์ƒ์œผ๋กœ ์ดฌ์˜ํ•œ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
07:57
Vanessa: You know what?
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ ์•Œ์•„์š”?
07:58
Dan: Did you think about that?
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๋Œ„: ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด ๋ดค์–ด?
07:59
Vanessa: I did not thinkย ย 
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Vanessa: ์ €๋Š” ์„ฑ๋ณ„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:00
about the gender because I feel likeย  when you decide to have a third child,ย ย 
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์™œ๋ƒ๋ฉด ์„ธ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ,
08:05
especially if you have two of the same genderย  like us, we have two boys, you have to want aย ย 
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ํŠนํžˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์„ฑ๋ณ„์˜ ๋‘ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์žˆ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๋‚จ์ž ์•„์ด๊ฐ€ ๋‘˜์ด๋ผ๋ฉด,
08:10
third child because you're going to get aย  third child. It can't be about just boy-
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์„ธ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ์›ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์…‹์งธ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๋‚ณ์„ ์˜ˆ์ •์ด์—์š”. ๋‹จ์ง€ ์†Œ๋…„์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ผ ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:15
Dan: Or a girl.
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08:15
Vanessa: ... Or just girl. For us,ย ย 
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Dan: ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์†Œ๋…€์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด์ง€์š”.
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ... ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์—ฌ์ž์• . ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์žˆ์–ด์„œ ๋”ธ์ด
08:17
it was a very great, happy surprise to have aย  girl. But I think I would have been just as happy,ย ย 
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์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ํฌ๊ณ  ํ–‰๋ณตํ•œ ๋†€๋ผ์›€์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚˜๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€๋กœ ํ–‰๋ณตํ–ˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ 
08:23
less surprised, but I think I would'veย  been just as happy to have a boy becauseย ย 
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๋œ ๋†€๋ž์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚จ์ž ์•„์ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋งŒํผ ํ–‰๋ณตํ–ˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด
08:28
the idea for us was will this third childย  complete our family instead of will thisย ย 
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์ด ์†Œ๋…€๊ฐ€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์„ ์™„์„ฑํ•˜๋Š” ๋Œ€์‹  ์ด ์„ธ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์•„์ด๊ฐ€
08:36
girl complete our family? So we'll see whatย  Matilda's like. I have no idea. I don't knowย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์„ ์™„์„ฑํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ? ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๋งˆํ‹ธ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ค์ง€ ์‚ดํŽด๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฅธ๋‹ค.
08:41
if my idea of this completing our family willย  be correct, if we made a good decision or not.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์„ ์™„์„ฑ์‹œํ‚ค๊ฒ ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ์˜ณ์€์ง€, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ข‹์€ ๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ๋‚ด๋ ธ๋Š”์ง€ ์•„๋‹Œ์ง€๋Š” ์ž˜ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:47
Dan: I think it it will.
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08:47
Vanessa: But-
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08:47
Dan: That's just me.
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๋Œ„: ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
Vanessa: ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ-
Dan: ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๋‚˜์•ผ.
08:48
Vanessa: ... Yeah.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ... ๋„ค.
08:49
Dan: Cherry on top.
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08:49
Vanessa: Try to have some high hopes. All right, let'sย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์œ„์— ์ฒด๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ํฐ ํฌ๋ง์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:52
go to the next question. This question's mainlyย  for me, but you're welcome to have any input.
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๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์œผ๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ์ฃผ๋กœ ์ €๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด์ง€๋งŒ ์–ด๋–ค ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋ผ๋„ ํ™˜์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:58
Dan: I'll listen.
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08:58
Vanessa: It is from Chelseaย ย 
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๋Œ„: ๋“ค์–ด ๋ณผ๊ฒŒ.
Vanessa: ์ฒผ์‹œ์—์„œ ์˜จ ์ „ํ™”์ธ๋ฐ
09:00
and she says, "Is this pregnancy differentย  from your pregnancy with the boys?" Well,ย ย 
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, "์ด๋ฒˆ ์ž„์‹ ์€ ๋‚จ์ž ์•„์ด ์ž„์‹ ๊ณผ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ๊ฐ€์š”?"๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”. ์Œ,
09:05
you were not pregnant withย  any of them, unfortunately.
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์•ˆํƒ€๊น๊ฒŒ๋„ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ ์ค‘ ์–ด๋–ค ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์ž„์‹ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:09
Dan: Yes, very different.
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๋Œ„: ๋„ค, ์•„์ฃผ ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:10
Vanessa: I would say this pregnancy isย ย 
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Vanessa: ์ด๋ฒˆ ์ž„์‹ ์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅด๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€๋งŒ
09:13
different, but not because she's a girl. That'sย  my guess. This pregnancy is different becauseย ย 
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, ๋”ธ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋‚ด ์ถ”์ธก์ด์•ผ. ์ด๋ฒˆ ์ž„์‹ ์€
09:19
it's my third pregnancy and that makes it a lotย  harder. So my body hurts more, my belly's a lotย ย 
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์„ธ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์ž„์‹ ์ด๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ํž˜๋“ค์–ด์ง€๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ชธ๋„ ๋” ์•„ํ”„๊ณ , ๋ฐฐ๋„ ๊ทธ ๋•Œ๋ณด๋‹ค ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋”
09:27
bigger than with them. Just everything is harderย  because it's the third pregnancy. I don't knowย ย 
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์ปค์š”. ๋‹ค๋งŒ ์„ธ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์ž„์‹ ์ด๋ผ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒŒ ๋” ํž˜๋“ค์–ด์š”.
09:33
if it's the same for everyone. I know some peopleย  have a very smooth, easy pregnancy. For me, thisย ย 
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๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€๋Š” ์ž˜ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์ˆœ์กฐ๋กญ๊ฒŒ ์ž„์‹ ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ์žˆ์–ด ์ด๋ฒˆ
09:39
pregnancy is very difficult and I'm very readyย  for it to be finished, so that's pretty much it.
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์ž„์‹ ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์–ด๋ ค์šด ์ผ์ด๊ณ , ์ด์ œ ๋๋‚ผ ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋‹ค ๋œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:45
Dan: Was the morning sickness about the same though?
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์ž…๋ง๋„ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๊ฐ™์•˜๋‚˜์š”?
09:47
Vanessa: Yeah, I'd say morning sickness,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋„ค, ์ž…๋ง,
09:49
which is when you feel nauseous during theย  first trimester, that was pretty similar.ย ย 
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์ฆ‰ ์ž„์‹  ์ฒซ 3๊ฐœ์›” ๋™์•ˆ ๋ฉ”์Šค๊บผ์›€์„ ๋Š๋ผ๋Š” ์ฆ์ƒ๋„ ๊ฝค ๋น„์Šทํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
09:55
I think it's just that everything happenedย  sooner and my body hurts more in general.
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๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ผ์ด ๋” ๋นจ๋ฆฌ ์ผ์–ด๋‚œ ๊ฒƒ ๋ฟ์ด๊ณ  ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ชธ์ด ๋” ์•„ํ”ˆ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
10:02
Dan: I haveย ย 
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Dan: ์ €๋Š”
10:03
noted that with every child, sheย  complains about her body earlier.
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๋ชจ๋“  ์–ด๋ฆฐ์ด๊ฐ€ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์‹ ์ฒด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋” ์ผ์ฐ ๋ถˆํ‰ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์„ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:07
Vanessa: Yes. Yeah,ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๋„ค,
10:09
and I think that that's very possible. My body isย  having a harder time this time and that's normal.ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿด ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ๋†’๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋ฒˆ์—๋Š” ๋‚ด ๋ชธ์ด ๋” ํž˜๋“  ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ์ด๋Š” ์ •์ƒ์ ์ธ ํ˜„์ƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:17
So yeah, anyway, it's different. It's harder,ย  but not because she's a girl, I think. All right,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ , ์•„๋ฌดํŠผ ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋” ํž˜๋“ค๊ธด ํ•œ๋ฐ, ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์—ฌ์ž๋ผ์„œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฑด ์•„๋‹Œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:22
let's go to the next question. Now, this was oneย  of our most asked questions and sometimes thisย ย 
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๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์œผ๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž, ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋งŽ์ด ๋ฐ›๋Š” ์งˆ๋ฌธ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜€์œผ๋ฉฐ ๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ์ด
10:30
question can be perceived as rude, but becauseย  I asked my students directly to ask me anything,ย ย 
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์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ๋ฌด๋ก€ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋Š๊ปด์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋“  ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ณด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ง์ ‘์ ์œผ๋กœ ์š”์ฒญํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
10:36
it's okay that they ask this, but I wantย  you to be careful when you're talking withย ย 
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ•ด๋„ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์ง€๋งŒ ์ˆ˜์—…ํ•  ๋•Œ ์ฃผ์˜ํ•˜์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž„์‹ ํ•œ ์ž„์˜์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
10:42
a random person who's pregnant. Do not askย  this, but now it's okay. So for those ofย ย 
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. ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฑด ๋ฌป์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š” . ์ด์ œ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์ €์—๊ฒŒ
10:47
you who asked me this question, it's okay.ย  The question is, can you guess what it is?
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ•˜์‹  ๋ถ„๋“ค์€ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌธ์ œ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ์ง์ž‘ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š๋ƒ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:53
Dan: Was she an accident or on purpose?
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๋Œ„: ์‚ฌ๊ณ ์˜€๋‚˜์š”, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๊ณ ์˜์˜€๋‚˜์š”?
10:56
Vanessa: That's it. That's one of the-
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š” . ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”๋กœ...
10:58
Dan: That's rude way to say it.
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑด ๋ฌด๋ก€ํ•œ ํ‘œํ˜„์ด๊ตฐ์š”.
10:59
Vanessa: Yeah, soย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
11:00
Gloria asked this in a very nice way. She said,ย  "Did you plan this baby or was it a surprise?"
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๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฆฌ์•„๊ฐ€ ์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์งˆ๋ฌธํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” "์ด ์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ณ„ํšํ•œ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๊นœ์ง ๋†€๋ž๋˜ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:05
Dan: Oh, that's-
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11:05
Vanessa: Surprise is very positive word.
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Dan: ์•„, ๊ทธ๊ฑด-
Vanessa: ๋†€๋ผ์›€์€ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ๋‹จ์–ด์˜ˆ์š”.
11:07
Dan: ... That's the nice way to say it is a surprise.
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Dan: ...๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋†€๋ผ์›€์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ‘œํ˜„ํ•˜๋Š” ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:08
Vanessa: Yeah. So I'dย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ
11:09
like to explain really quick before we answerย  this, why it can be considered rude. And it'sย ย 
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๋‹ต๋ณ€ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์— ์™œ ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌด๋ก€ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๊ฐ„์ฃผ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํžˆ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€
11:16
not really because it's too personal,ย  it's more because if you did not planย ย 
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ, ๋” ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ž„์‹ ์„ ๊ณ„ํšํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ 
11:21
your pregnancy and you just got pregnantย  by accident, there's kind of a concern,ย ย 
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์šฐ์—ฐํžˆ ์ž„์‹ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ คํ•  ๋งŒํ•œ ์ผ์ด ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ผ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:27
maybe for me, if I got pregnant by accidentย  then and someone said, "Is this an accidentalย ย 
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์šฐ์—ฐํžˆ ์ž„์‹ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ "๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€? ์šฐ์—ฐํ•œ
11:33
pregnancy?" And I said "Yes," I might feel like,ย  oh, they might think I don't love my child. It
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์ž„์‹ ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?" ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ "์˜ˆ"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋Œ€๋‹ตํ•˜๋ฉด ' ์•„, ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋‚ด ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ฒ ๋„ค์š”. It
11:39
Dan: It puts you on the spot.
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Dan: ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ๊ทธ ์ž๋ฆฌ์— ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:40
Vanessa: Yeah, it kindย ย 
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Vanessa: ์‘, ์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด
11:41
of feels like maybe you don't care aboutย  your child as much as someone who plansย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ž„์‹ ์„ ๊ณ„ํšํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋งŒํผ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์•„์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ์—†๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋Š๋‚Œ์ด ๋“ค๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ด
11:47
their pregnancy. So I think it can make,ย  especially the mother feel uncomfortable.ย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํŠนํžˆ ์—„๋งˆ๊ฐ€ ๋ถˆํŽธํ•จ์„ ๋Š๋‚„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
11:52
But for those of you who asked this to us, noย  problem. I allowed you to ask any question.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €ํฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ•˜์‹  ๋ถ„๋“ค์€ ๋ฌธ์ œ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด๋–ค ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด๋ผ๋„ ํ•˜๋„๋ก ํ—ˆ๋ฝํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:57
Dan: Yeah, we don't have a problem with it.
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๋Œ„: ์‘, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์—†์–ด.
11:58
Vanessa: So answer-
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋Œ€๋‹ตํ•˜์„ธ์š”-
11:59
Dan: Especially because...
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Dan: ํŠนํžˆ ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด...
12:01
Vanessa: ... Did we plan this baby?
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Vanessa: ... ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด ์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ณ„ํšํ–ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
12:02
Dan: We always planย ย 
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Dan: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ
12:03
all children. You cannot be marriedย  to this woman and not have a plan.
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๋ชจ๋“  ์–ด๋ฆฐ์ด๋ฅผ ๊ณ„ํšํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ท€ํ•˜๋Š” ์ด ์—ฌ์„ฑ๊ณผ ๊ฒฐํ˜ผํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์œผ๋ฉฐ ๊ณ„ํš๋„ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:09
Vanessa: Yeah. So generally I'm very careful about,ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ €๋Š”
12:13
I know things could always happen, but I try toย  be very careful about planning when we have a babyย ย 
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์–ด๋–ค ์ผ์ด ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ผ์–ด๋‚  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ๋•Œ ๊ณ„ํš์„ ์„ธ์šธ ๋•Œ
12:20
and all of those types of things. I think thatย  that's important for the family unit, importantย ย 
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์™€ ๊ทธ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งค์šฐ ์กฐ์‹ฌํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฐ€์กฑ ๋‹จ์œ„์—๊ฒŒ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๊ณ 
12:25
for me. I know that your body and your life isย  often unpredictable, but that's just how it wentย ย 
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๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ๋„ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋ชธ๊ณผ ์‚ถ์ด ์˜ˆ์ธกํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ,
12:32
for us. The next category is questions about birthย  and around the birth time. So our first questionย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค์Œ ์นดํ…Œ๊ณ ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ถœ์ƒ ๋ฐ ์ถœ์ƒ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€
12:40
is from Lucas and he says, "Will you give birthย  at home like you did with you and Freddie?" Quickย ย 
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๋ฃจ์นด์Šค๊ฐ€ " ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””์—๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋žฌ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์ง‘์—์„œ ์ถœ์‚ฐํ•  ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”. ๋น ๋ฅธ
12:46
correction. I gave birth in a birth center forย  Theo and Freddie. So it's like a home environment,ย ย 
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์ˆ˜์ •. ์ €๋Š” ํ…Œ์˜ค์™€ ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””์˜ ์ถœ์‚ฐ ์„ผํ„ฐ์—์„œ ์ถœ์‚ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ฐ€์ • ํ™˜๊ฒฝ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์ง€๋งŒ, ์•„๊ธฐ์—๊ฒŒ ์‚ฐ์†Œ๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•  ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๋ฅผ ๋Œ€๋น„ํ•ด
12:53
but they have all of the emergency supplies shouldย  your baby need oxygen, if you hemorrhage and youย ย 
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๋ชจ๋“  ๋น„์ƒ ์šฉํ’ˆ์ด ๊ฐ–์ถ”์–ด์ ธ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ , ์ถœํ˜ˆ์ด ์žˆ์–ด
13:01
can't stop bleeding, they can help you with allย  of that and it's a very comforting environment.ย ย 
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์ถœํ˜ˆ์„ ๋ฉˆ์ถœ ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋„์™€์ค„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ๋งค์šฐ ํŽธ์•ˆํ•œ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:07
It's not the hospital, but it's kind of beside theย  hospital. Anyway, it was a beautiful experience.
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๋ณ‘์›์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ๋ณ‘์› ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์˜†์— ์žˆ์–ด์š” . ์–ด์จŒ๋“  ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์šด ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:12
Dan: It feels like a bedroom.
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Vanessa: Yeah, it's kind of like a bedroom,ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์นจ์‹ค ๊ฐ™์€ ๋Š๋‚Œ์ด์—์š”.
Vanessa: ๋„ค, ๋งˆ์น˜ ์นจ์‹ค ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
13:14
like a really nice hotel room. I feel extremelyย  lucky that we had that available in our city, but-
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์ •๋ง ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ํ˜ธํ…” ๋ฐฉ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋„์‹œ์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์„œ๋น„์Šค๋ฅผ ์ด์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์„œ ์ •๋ง ํ–‰์šด์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ-
13:21
Dan: Now we don't.
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Vanessa: ... About a year and a half ago, the birthย ย 
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Dan: ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Vanessa: ... ์•ฝ 1๋…„ ๋ฐ˜ ์ „์— ์ถœ์‚ฐ
13:23
center had to close. There was just insuranceย  problems. It was really a big shame. I know the USย ย 
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์„ผํ„ฐ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌธ์„ ๋‹ซ์•„์•ผ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ๋‹จ์ง€ ๋ณดํ—˜ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง ํฐ ๋ถ€๋„๋Ÿฌ์›€์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์˜
13:31
doesn't have a good healthcare reputation and thisย  is one of the problems. So the birth center closedย ย 
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์˜๋ฃŒ ํ‰ํŒ์ด ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌธ์ œ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ถœ์‚ฐ ์„ผํ„ฐ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌธ์„ ๋‹ซ์•˜๊ณ 
13:37
down and I needed to find an alternative and weย  had two options. One was to go to the hospital andย ย 
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๋Œ€์•ˆ์„ ์ฐพ์•„์•ผ ํ–ˆ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์„ ํƒ๊ถŒ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ณ‘์›์— ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ๊ณ 
13:43
one was to have a home birth because I alreadyย  had two very smooth, pretty straightforward-
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ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” ์ง‘์—์„œ ์ถœ์‚ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋ฏธ ๋งค์šฐ ์ˆœ์กฐ๋กญ๊ณ  ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•œ ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ถœ์‚ฐ์„ ํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:51
Dan: Successful.
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Dan: ์„ฑ๊ณตํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:52
Vanessa: ... Successful,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ... ์„ฑ๊ณต์ ์ธ,
13:53
simple births, I feel very lucky about that, Iย  know a lot of people have scary birth stories,ย ย 
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๋‹จ์ˆœํ•œ ์ถœ์‚ฐ, ์ €๋Š” ์ •๋ง ํ–‰์šด์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋ฌด์„œ์šด ์ถœ์ƒ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ 
13:59
but for me it was really empowering and great.ย  Not like fun, but certainly a positive experienceย ย 
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์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ €์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์ •๋ง ํž˜์ด ๋˜๊ณ  ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์žฌ๋ฏธ๋Š” ์—†์ง€๋งŒ ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
14:08
overall. I felt comfortable not giving birth inย  the hospital. So I interviewed a couple midwivesย ย 
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. ๋ณ‘์›์—์„œ ์ถœ์‚ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„๋„ ๋ผ์„œ ํŽธํ–ˆ์–ด์š” . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
14:15
who come to your house and help you as you'reย  giving birth, and we found one that we reallyย ย 
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ์ง‘์— ์™€์„œ ์ถœ์‚ฐ์„ ๋„์™€์ฃผ๋Š” ์กฐ์‚ฐ์‚ฌ ๋‘ ๋ถ„์„ ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ •๋ง ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“œ๋Š” ๋ถ„์„ ์ฐพ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
14:22
liked. So I've been having appointments with her.ย  It's just like normal, really. She takes my blood,ย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋…€์™€ ์•ฝ์†์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ์ •๋ง ํ‰๋ฒ”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ๋‚ด ํ˜ˆ์•ก์„ ์ฑ„์ทจํ•˜๊ณ 
14:29
she does various tests, all of those types ofย  things. And when she comes to the house when I'mย ย 
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๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๊ฒ€์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋“ฑ ๋ชจ๋“  ์œ ํ˜•์˜ ์ผ์„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ถ„๋งŒ ์ค‘์ผ ๋•Œ ์ง‘์— ์™”์„ ๋•Œ
14:35
in labor, she said she has three giganticย  bags of all of the emergency supplies andย ย 
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๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๋น„์ƒ ์šฉํ’ˆ๊ณผ ๋‚˜์™€ ์•„๊ธฐ์—๊ฒŒ
14:41
anything that she might need to help me orย  the baby. And yeah, we'll see what happens.
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๋„์›€์ด ๋  ๋งŒํ•œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‹ด๊ธด ๊ฑฐ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฐ€๋ฐฉ ์„ธ ๊ฐœ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋„ค, ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋Š”์ง€ ์ง€์ผœ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:47
Dan: She seems very capable.
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๋Œ„: ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ์œ ๋Šฅํ•ด ๋ณด์ด๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
14:49
Vanessa: Yeah, very capable, very-
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Vanessa: ์‘, ์•„์ฃผ ์œ ๋Šฅํ•ด, ์•„์ฃผ-
14:51
Dan: She's delivered thousands of babies.
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์ˆ˜์ฒœ ๋ช…์˜ ์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚ณ์•˜์–ด.
14:53
Vanessa: ... Yeah, and I think because I've givenย ย 
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Vanessa: ... ๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์ด์ „์— ์ถœ์‚ฐํ•œ ์ ์ด ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
14:55
birth before, I kind of feel more comfortableย  with the experience in general. So yeah, that'sย ย 
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์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ์ข€ ๋” ํŽธ์•ˆํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋„ค, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”๋กœ
15:01
what we're going to do. We'll let you know how itย  turns out. All right, the next question could beย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•  ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ๋ ค๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€
15:06
more for both of us. And a lot of people ask this.ย  Carmen, Michele, Evangelina, and Ofelia asked,ย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋‘˜ ๋ชจ๋‘์—๊ฒŒ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๋‚ด์šฉ์ด ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ฌป์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์นด๋ฅด๋ฉ˜, ๋ฏธ์…ธ, ์—๋ฐ˜์ ค๋ฆฌ๋‚˜, ์˜คํ•„๋ฆฌ์•„๊ฐ€ '
15:12
do you think Freddie and Theo will be jealousย  of their little sister? What do you think?
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ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””์™€ ํ…Œ์˜ค๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ๋™์ƒ์„ ์งˆํˆฌํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๋‚˜์š” ?'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฌผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋‚˜์š”?
15:18
Dan: I don't think so, no.
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๋Œ„: ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”.
15:20
Vanessa: Okay.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•Œ์•˜์–ด.
15:21
Dan: I think they're going to be just very excitedย ย 
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Dan: ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‹จ์ง€
15:25
to see her and be with her and I think they won'tย  be jealous. I think they might get frustrated ifย ย 
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๊ทธ๋…€๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋…€์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธฐ๋ปํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ  ์งˆํˆฌํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
15:33
we're doing something with her and they wantย  to play with us or talk to us or something.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋…€์™€ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์™€ ๋†€์•„์ฃผ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ขŒ์ ˆ๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๋‚„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
15:38
Vanessa: That's kind of part of jealousyย ย 
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋ž˜๋„ ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์งˆํˆฌ์‹ฌ์ด๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”
15:39
though. I think that's how kidsย  can express jealousy in a way.
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. ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ์งˆํˆฌ์‹ฌ์„ ํ‘œํ˜„ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
15:42
Dan: Oh, okay.
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15:42
Vanessa: Is like extra anger, extra frustration.
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๋Œ„: ์•„, ์•Œ์•˜์–ด.
Vanessa: ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋” ํฐ ๋ถ„๋…ธ, ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์ขŒ์ ˆ๊ฐ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:45
Dan: They're just kind of like that now anyways,ย ย 
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Dan: ์–ด์จŒ๋“  ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์‹์ด์—์š”.
15:47
if we're doing something and they want ourย  attention, they're going to be upset about it.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ์›ํ•˜๋ฉด ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚ผ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
15:52
Vanessa: Yeah.
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15:52
Dan: I don't... Jealousy?
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
๋Œ„: ๋‚œ... ์งˆํˆฌ?
15:55
Vanessa: No, they've reacted-
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Vanessa: ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”, ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ฐ˜์‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:56
Dan: I don't think so.
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Vanessa: ... Really positively to otherย ย 
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Vanessa: ... ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์•„๊ธฐ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์ •๋ง ๊ธ์ •์ ์ด์—์š”
15:58
babies. And whenever we talk about Matilda,ย  it's funny because you know how as adults,ย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋งˆํ‹ธ๋‹ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค, ์–ด๋ฅธ์ด ๋˜์–ด์„œ์•ผ
16:04
whenever we're near babies, your voice kindย  of goes up like oh little baby, you kind ofย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์•„๊ธฐ ๊ทผ์ฒ˜์— ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค ๋ชฉ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ' ์˜ค ๊ผฌ๋งˆ ์•„๊ธฐ'์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์˜ฌ๋ผ๊ฐ€๊ณ , ๋‹น์‹ ์€
16:09
create this baby voice, our kids do that too.ย  They'll say, "Oh, I wonder if Matilda's goingย ย 
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์•„๊ธฐ ๋ชฉ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ , ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค๋„ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•„์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์žฌ๋ฐŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ "์•„, ๋งˆํ‹ธ๋‹ค๊ฐ€
16:15
to have little cute fingers." And they have thatย  voice too. So you can kind of tell that they areย ย 
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์ž‘์€ ๊ท€์—ฌ์šด ์†๊ฐ€๋ฝ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ๋ ์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ด์š”."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค๋„ ๊ทธ ๋ชฉ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด
16:22
expecting her to be a cute little play thing. Iย  think it will become harder as she gets older andย ย 
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๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ ๊ท€์—ฝ๊ณ  ์ž‘์€ ์žฅ๋‚œ๊ฐ์ด๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜์ด๊ฐ€ ๋“ค๊ณ 
16:28
starts grabbing their things. It's always growingย  pains, but I feel like in general it'll be okay.
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๋ฌผ๊ฑด์„ ์žก๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋” ํž˜๋“ค์–ด์งˆ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๋Š˜ ์„ฑ์žฅํ†ต์ด์ง€๋งŒ ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
16:35
Dan: Yeah, andย ย 
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16:35
I associate jealousy behavior with somethingย  like hitting the baby because they're upset-
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Dan: ๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
์ €๋Š” ์งˆํˆฌ์‹ฌ ํ–‰๋™์„ย  ํ™”๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜์„œ ์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋•Œ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ์—ฐ๊ด€์‹œํ‚ต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:42
Vanessa: Oh, like aggressive.
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Dan: ... That mommy's holding the baby.
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Vanessa: ์•„, ๊ณต๊ฒฉ์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
๋Œ„: ... ์ € ์—„๋งˆ๊ฐ€ ์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์•ˆ๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
16:45
Vanessa: Yeah.
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Dan: But I don't think they're going to be like that.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
Dan: ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์•„์š”.
16:46
Vanessa: In general, what I found is that havingย ย 
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Vanessa: ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ•œ ๋ฐ”์— ๋”ฐ๋ฅด๋ฉด,
16:50
a newborn is okay. Having a three-year-old is theย  problem. So I expect that the very age appropriateย ย 
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์‹ ์ƒ์•„๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์„ธ ์‚ด์งœ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌธ์ œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ง€๊ธˆ
16:59
three-year-old tantrums that our three-year-oldย  is experiencing now will also happen later. Andย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์„ธ ์‚ด ์•„์ด๊ฐ€ ๊ฒช๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์•„์ฃผ ๋‚˜์ด์— ๊ฑธ๋งž์€ ์šธํ™”ํ†ต์ด ๋‚˜์ค‘์—๋„ ์ผ์–ด๋‚  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
17:06
it will just be harder for us because we also willย  have a small baby to care for. So I don't reallyย ย 
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๋Œ๋ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ž‘์€ ์•„๊ธฐ๋„ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋ฏ€๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๋” ์–ด๋ ค์šธ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ
17:12
expect it will be that much more, but it will justย  continue and we'll have more responsibilities,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ๊นŒ์ง€ ๋งŽ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ๋Š” ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ์ฑ…์ž„์„ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ฉฐ
17:17
which will make it trickier for us. So yeah,ย  that's the idea. We'll see. All right, Ana,ย ย 
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์ด๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋”์šฑ ๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กœ์›Œ์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋„ค, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ทธ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด์—์š”. ๋‘๊ณ  ๋ณด์ž. ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Ana,
17:23
Gualterio, and Olindo had a similar type ofย  question. "Will you have some kind of help withย ย 
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Gualterio, Olindo๋„ ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ์œ ํ˜•์˜ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. "์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ํƒœ์–ด๋‚œ ํ›„์— ์–ด๋–ค ๋„์›€์„ ์ฃผ์‹ค ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”
17:29
the kids after she's born?" Olindo specificallyย  asked about the role of grandparents because he'sย ย 
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?" Olindo๋Š” ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์œผ๋กœย  ์ž์‹ ์ด ํ• ์•„๋ฒ„์ง€์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์กฐ๋ถ€๋ชจ์˜ ์—ญํ• ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ฌผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
17:34
a grandfather, so he helps to take care of hisย  grandkids, takes them to sports games, and thisย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋Š” ์†์ž๋ฅผ ๋Œ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋•๊ณ  , ์Šคํฌ์ธ  ๊ฒฝ๊ธฐ์— ๋ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฐ€๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ด๋Š”
17:40
is specifically about after birth, but they asked,ย  "Is it normal to have help with your kids, eitherย ย 
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๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ถœ์ƒ ํ›„์™€ ๊ด€๋ จ์ด ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‹ค์Œ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์ด ๋ฌผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์ด๋“ค์€
17:47
paid help or grandparent help after the baby'sย  born?" So yeah, what will we do? Do we know?
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์•„๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ํƒœ์–ด๋‚œ ํ›„ ์œ ๊ธ‰ ๋„์›€์„ ๋ฐ›์„๊นŒ์š”, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์กฐ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์˜ ๋„์›€์„ ๋ฐ›์„๊นŒ์š” ?" ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ธ๊ฐ€? ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
17:53
Dan: I believe my mom will be here for a while. Right?
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๋Œ„: ์—„๋งˆ๊ฐ€ ํ•œ๋™์•ˆ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๊ณ„์‹ค ๊ฑฐ๋ผ ๋ฏฟ์–ด์š”. ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ?
17:56
Vanessa: We'll see how long a while is.
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Vanessa: ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๊ฑธ๋ฆฌ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ณผ๊ฒŒ์š”.
17:58
Dan: I don't think this is set in stone yet.
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Dan: ์•„์ง ํ™•์ •๋œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹Œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
17:59
Vanessa: It's not.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”.
18:00
Dan: Yeah.
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18:00
Vanessa: So because we're going to be,ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘.
Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š”
18:02
because we have other children, even if weย  weren't giving birth at home, even if it were atย ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ž๋…€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—, ์ง‘์—์„œ ์ถœ์‚ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋”๋ผ๋„,
18:07
a hospital or birth center, you still need someoneย  to take care of your kids while you're gone. Soย ย 
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๋ณ‘์›์ด๋‚˜ ์ถœ์‚ฐ ์„ผํ„ฐ์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๋”๋ผ๋„, ์ถœ์‚ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ ์ž๋…€๋ฅผ ๋Œ๋ด์ค„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์‚ฌ๋ผ์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
18:12
Dan's mom is going to come during the birth andย  probably the next day. With Theo and Freddie,ย ย 
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Dan์˜ ์—„๋งˆ๋Š” ์ถœ์‚ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋‹ค์Œ ๋‚ ์— ์˜ฌ ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ…Œ์˜ค์™€ ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜,
18:20
with Theo, our oldest child, she stayed forย  two weeks and then with Freddie she stayedย ย 
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ํฐ ์•„์ด์ธ ํ…Œ์˜ค์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ 2์ฃผ ๋™์•ˆ ๋จธ๋ฌผ๋ €๊ณ  ๊ทธ ํ›„ ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋จธ๋ฌด๋Š”
18:27
less time. But in the end, I'm not exactly sureย  what will happen this time, but we do have severalย ย 
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์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ค„์–ด๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์ด๋ฒˆ์—๋Š” ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ ์ง€ ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ,
18:37
babysitters who help in our daily lives nowย  so that I can film these videos and do my job.
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์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์ผ์ƒ์ƒํ™œ์— ๋„์›€์„ ์ฃผ๋Š” ๋ฒ ์ด๋น„์‹œํ„ฐ๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฟ ์žˆ์–ด์„œ ์ด ์˜์ƒ์„ ์ฐ๊ณ  ์ผ๋„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
18:45
Dan: And be sane.
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๋Œ„: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ์ •์‹ ์„ ์ฐจ๋ฆฌ์„ธ์š”.
18:46
Vanessa: And be sane.ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ์ •์‹ ์„ ์ฐจ๋ฆฌ์„ธ์š”.
18:47
Everyone needs help in their life. So they willย  also be coming to be with our oldest childrenย ย 
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๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ์ธ์ƒ์—์„œ ๋„์›€์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค ๋„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ํฐ ์•„์ด๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์˜ฌ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ 
18:54
and we'll be with the baby. So it's kind ofย  perfect timing because she'll be born at theย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•„๊ธฐ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 6์›” ์ดˆ ์— ํƒœ์–ด๋‚  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์™„๋ฒฝํ•œ ํƒ€์ด๋ฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
18:58
beginning of June. We didn't mention she'sย  going to be born at the beginning of June.
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. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ 6์›” ์ดˆ์— ํƒœ์–ด๋‚  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:02
Dan: Oh yeah.
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19:02
Vanessa: We don't know when,ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์•„ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ตฐ์š”.
Vanessa: ์–ธ์ œ์ธ์ง€๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฅด์ง€๋งŒ,
19:03
but sometime at the beginning of June.
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6์›” ์ดˆ์ฏค์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
19:05
Dan: Maybe May.
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19:05
Vanessa: And Dan works at a school,ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์•„๋งˆ๋„ 5์›”์ผ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  Dan์€ ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ธฐ
19:08
so school will be out, which is perfect becauseย  we will both be home all summer. So for me,ย ย 
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๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ํ•™๊ต๋Š” ์‰ฌ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ์—ฌ๋ฆ„ ๋‚ด๋‚ด ์ง‘์— ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์™„๋ฒฝํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š”
19:14
I feel like we can care for me and theย  baby and then if someone helps to careย ย 
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์ €์™€ ์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋Œ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€
19:22
for Theo and Freddie, that would be great.ย  Obviously we'll still spend time with them,ย ย 
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ํ…Œ์˜ค์™€ ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””๋ฅผ ๋Œ๋ณด๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์„ ์ค€๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ข‹์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๋ฌผ๋ก  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ,
19:26
but I think I am less worried about someoneย  caring for the baby and if you can take careย ย 
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋Œ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋œ ๊ฑฑ์ •ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๊ณ , ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
19:34
of me and I take care of her and someone elseย  takes care of them, we'll be good. Right?
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๋‚˜๋ฅผ ๋Œ๋ณด๊ณ  ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๋Œ๋ณด๊ณ  ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋Œ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. . ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ?
19:39
Dan: Right.
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๋Œ„: ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ .
19:40
Vanessa: Yeah. We're basically askingย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ
19:42
all of our friends and family to... We don'tย  really need baby stuff, so we're asking them,ย ย 
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๋ชจ๋“  ์นœ๊ตฌ์™€ ๊ฐ€์กฑ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ... ์•„๊ธฐ ์šฉํ’ˆ์€ ๋ณ„๋กœ ํ•„์š”ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์š”์ฒญํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ
19:48
if you want to give us something, please giveย  us food, please make a meal and we can put itย ย 
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๋ฌด์—‡์ธ๊ฐ€ ์ฃผ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์œผ๋ฉด ์Œ์‹์„ ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ณ , ์‹์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด ์ฃผ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
19:53
in our freezer. I think that's the perfect giftย  so I think we will be taking care of. I hope.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ƒ‰๋™๊ณ ์— ๋„ฃ์–ด๋„ ๋ผ. ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์™„๋ฒฝํ•œ ์„ ๋ฌผ์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์•Œ์•„์„œ ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„. ๋‚˜๋Š” ํฌ๋ง.
19:57
Dan: Mm-hmm.
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๋Œ„: ์Œ-ํ .
19:58
Vanessa: Along with the idea of help and getting help,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋„์›€์„ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ๋„์›€์„ ๋ฐ›์œผ๋ ค๋Š” ์•„์ด๋””์–ด์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜
20:02
Sharon and Valentina had an interesting questionย  that shows how not American this is. Is itย ย 
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Sharon๊ณผ Valentina๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ ์ด์ง€ ์•Š์€์ง€๋ฅผ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ๋Š” ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:09
expensive to have a baby in the US and will youย  receive a government subsidy for a newborn baby?ย ย 
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ ์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚ณ๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋น„์šฉ์ด ๋งŽ์ด ๋“ค๋ฉฐ, ์‹ ์ƒ์•„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ •๋ถ€ ๋ณด์กฐ๊ธˆ์„ ๋ฐ›์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
20:16
That's what I laughed at. So my first thought,ย  and then you can say something about this,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์›ƒ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ฒ˜์Œ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€, ์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:21
my first thought was if you are already receivingย  government subsidies, maybe you are on welfare,ย ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ฒ˜์Œ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ด๋ฏธ ์ •๋ถ€ ๋ณด์กฐ๊ธˆ์„ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹œ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ๋ณต์ง€ ํ˜œํƒ์„ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹œ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜,
20:29
or you get food stamps, or something likeย  that, you will receive some kind of care,ย ย 
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ํ‘ธ๋“œ ์Šคํƒฌํ”„๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์œผ์‹œ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ , ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ๋ณด์‚ดํ•Œ์„ ๋ฐ›๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ,
20:35
like some kind of extra subsidy or something toย  help you pay for baby food or something like that.
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์ผ์ข…์˜ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ๋ณด์กฐ๊ธˆ์ด๋‚˜ ์ด์œ ์‹ ๋น„์šฉ ์ง€๋ถˆ์— ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๋“ฑ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:42
Dan: You have to be under a certain income level.
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๋Œ„: ์ผ์ • ์†Œ๋“ ์ˆ˜์ค€ ์ดํ•˜์—ฌ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:44
Vanessa: Yeah, so ifย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ
20:46
you're already receiving that, youย  might get something also for yourย ย 
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์ด๋ฏธ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ์„ ๋ฌผ๋„ ๋ฐ›์œผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์–ด์š”
20:49
baby. But for most people, the governmentย  doesn't care if you have a baby or not.
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. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ •๋ถ€๋Š” ์•„๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋“  ์—†๋“  ์ƒ๊ด€ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:57
Dan: Well,ย ย 
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Dan: ์Œ,
20:59
you count them on your taxesย  and you probably pay less taxes.
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์„ธ๊ธˆ์œผ๋กœ ๊ณ„์‚ฐํ•˜๋ฉด ์•„๋งˆ ์„ธ๊ธˆ์„ ๋œ ๋‚ด์‹ค ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:02
Vanessa: There's aย ย 
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Vanessa:
21:04
little bit less taxes because you have for eachย  child, but it's that much, it's not worth it.
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๊ฐ ์ž๋…€๋งˆ๋‹ค ์„ธ๊ธˆ์„ ๋‚ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์„ธ๊ธˆ์ด ์กฐ๊ธˆ ์ ์ง€ ๋งŒ ๊ทธ ์ •๋„๋ผ์„œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ๊ฐ€์น˜๊ฐ€ ์—†์–ด์š”.
21:10
Dan: They certainly don't give you money.
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ˆ์„ ์ฃผ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:12
Vanessa: No. And they don't give... I know some countries-
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Vanessa: ์•„๋‡จ. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€... ์–ด๋–ค ๋‚˜๋ผ๋ฅผ ์•Œ์•„์š”.
21:14
Dan: They don't giveย ย 
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21:14
you a time off or anything like that.
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋“ค์€
๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ํœด๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฃผ์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”.
21:16
Vanessa: ... Yeah, no time off. They won'tย ย 
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Vanessa: ... ๋„ค, ์‰ฌ๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์€ ์—†์–ด์š”.
21:17
give you a package. I know some countries giveย  a baby package to every new family and you get-
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ํŒจํ‚ค์ง€๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ผ๋ถ€ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์—์„œ๋Š” ์ƒˆ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์ด ์ƒ๊ธธ ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค ๋ฒ ์ด๋น„ ํŒจํ‚ค์ง€๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:23
Dan: Oh.
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21:23
Vanessa: ... It's kind of famous, I think inย ย 
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Dan: ์•„.
Vanessa: ... ์ข€ ์œ ๋ช…ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
21:25
Norway where they give you a baby box and the babyย  box is big enough to be like a crib for a newbornย ย 
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๋…ธ๋ฅด์›จ์ด์—์„œ๋Š” ๋ฒ ์ด๋น„ ๋ฐ•์Šค๋ฅผ ์ฃผ๋Š” ๊ณณ์ธ๋ฐ ๋ฒ ์ด๋น„ ๋ฐ•์Šค๋Š” ์‹ ์ƒ์•„์šฉ ์นจ๋Œ€๋งŒํผ ํฌ๊ณ 
21:31
and they have towels, and swaddles, and bottles,ย  and tons of stuff for a baby. And I don't know,ย ย 
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์ˆ˜๊ฑด, ํฌ๋Œ€๊ธฐ, ์ –๋ณ‘, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ˆ˜๋งŽ์€ ๋ฌผ๊ฑด์ด ๋“ค์–ด์žˆ์–ด์š”. ์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ๋ฌผ๊ฑด. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
21:38
that would be amazing if someone wants to sendย  us that, but the government does not do that.
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ •๋ง ๋†€๋ผ์šด ์ผ์ด๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ ์ •๋ถ€์—์„œ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:43
Dan: No.ย ย 
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Dan: ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”.
21:44
Our government's more interested in making bombs.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ •๋ถ€๋Š” ํญํƒ„ ์ œ์กฐ์— ๋” ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:47
Vanessa: That's the truth of the matter. So theย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฌธ์ œ์˜ ์ง„์‹ค์ด์—์š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
21:50
first question was, is it expensive to have a babyย  in the US? It depends what you think about money.
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์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ '๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ ์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚ณ๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋น„์šฉ์ด ๋งŽ์ด ๋“œ๋‚˜์š” ?'์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ˆ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š๋ƒ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:58
Dan: Yeah, it depends on, I don't know. We'veย ย 
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Dan: ๋„ค, ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋‹ค๋ฅด์ฃ . ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
22:00
just always really worked into our budget childย  stuff. I don't think it's incredibly expensive.
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ํ•ญ์ƒ ์˜ˆ์‚ฐ์— ๋งž๋Š” ์–ด๋ฆฐ์ด ๊ด€๋ จ ์—…๋ฌด์— ์ตœ์„ ์„ ๋‹คํ•ด ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์—„์ฒญ๋‚˜๊ฒŒ ๋น„์‹ผ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์€ ์•„๋‹Œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
22:06
Vanessa: So I know aย ย 
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š”
22:08
couple different costs. The first one isย  Americans pay health insurance monthly.ย ย 
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๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋น„์šฉ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ธ๋“ค์ด ๋งค์›” ๊ฑด๊ฐ•๋ณดํ—˜๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:13
And that's around, I wouldn't say at theย  moment, it's specifically a requirement,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ˜„์žฌ๋กœ์„œ๋Š” ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์œผ๋กœ ์š”๊ตฌ ์‚ฌํ•ญ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†์ง€๋งŒ
22:19
but almost everybody has some kind ofย  health insurance. And usually your company,ย ย 
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๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๊ฑด๊ฐ• ๋ณดํ—˜์— ๊ฐ€์ž…๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ํšŒ์‚ฌ์—์„œ
22:24
if you work full-time, will pay like 50% ofย  the healthcare or the health insurance monthlyย ย 
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ํ’€ํƒ€์ž„์œผ๋กœ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์˜๋ฃŒ๋น„ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฑด๊ฐ• ๋ณดํ—˜ ์›”
22:30
costs. So if you work for a company, your healthย  insurance is much cheaper than someone like us.
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๋น„์šฉ์˜ 50% ์ •๋„๋ฅผ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ํšŒ์‚ฌ์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ๊ฑด๊ฐ• ๋ณดํ—˜์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ™์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋ณด๋‹ค ํ›จ์”ฌ ์ €๋ ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:35
Dan: Yeah, we'reย ย 
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Dan: ๋„ค, ์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ž์˜์—…์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
22:36
not the best people to askย  because we're self-employed.
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์งˆ๋ฌธํ•˜๊ธฐ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
22:39
Vanessa: Oh,ย ย 
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22:39
and you get the short end ofย  the stick. Let me tell you why.
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Vanessa: ์•„,
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋์ด ์งง์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š” . ์ด์œ ๋ฅผ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:42
Dan: Yeah.
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22:42
Vanessa: You got to pay theย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘.
Vanessa: ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ฑด๊ฐ•๋ณดํ—˜๋ฃŒ ์ „์•ก์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ด์š”
22:43
full price of health insurance. You have to findย  your own health insurance independently. Not fun.
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. ์ž์‹ ์˜ ๊ฑด๊ฐ• ๋ณดํ—˜์„ ๋…๋ฆฝ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ฐพ์•„์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์žฌ๋ฏธ ์—†์–ด.
22:49
Dan: It's expensive. I mean,ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ๋น„์‹ธ์š”. ๋‚ด ๋ง์€,
22:51
America is not known for cheap healthcare.
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์€ ์ €๋ ดํ•œ ์˜๋ฃŒ ์„œ๋น„์Šค๋กœ ์œ ๋ช…ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:52
Vanessa: No. Yeah, so in general,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”. ์˜ˆ, ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ
22:55
I would say if you work for a company, you mightย  pay like $100.00 a month in health insurance. Ifย ย 
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ํšŒ์‚ฌ์—์„œ ์ผํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ฑด๊ฐ• ๋ณดํ—˜๋ฃŒ๋กœ ํ•œ ๋‹ฌ์— $100.00 ์ •๋„๋ฅผ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:01
you work for yourself, you might pay betweenย  $500.00 and $1,000.00 per month in healthย ย 
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์Šค์Šค๋กœ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ๊ฑด๊ฐ• ๋ณดํ—˜์œผ๋กœ ๋งค์›” $500.00์—์„œ $1,000.00 ์‚ฌ์ด๋ฅผ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
23:06
insurance. So thinking about that, that is partย  of the cost. When we went to the birth center andย ย 
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. ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด ๋ณด๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋น„์šฉ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ถœ์‚ฐ ์„ผํ„ฐ์— ๊ฐ”์„ ๋•Œ
23:14
for this home birth midwife that we're paying, theย  cost is about $6,000.00. So our health insurance,ย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฐ€์ • ์ถœ์‚ฐ ์กฐ์‚ฐ์‚ฌ์˜ ๋น„์šฉ์€ ์•ฝ $6,000.00์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ฑด๊ฐ• ๋ณดํ—˜์€
23:23
we pay a lot for per month, we will get reimbursedย  a big chunk of that, over 50% of that we will getย ย 
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ํ•œ ๋‹ฌ์— ๋งŽ์€ ๋น„์šฉ์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•˜๊ณ ย  ๊ทธ ์ค‘ ํฐ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ์ƒํ™˜ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋ฉฐ ๊ทธ ์ค‘ 50% ์ด์ƒ์„
23:32
reimbursed. If you have a hospital birth, I knowย  some friends have had a hospital birth, they had aย ย 
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์ƒํ™˜ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ณ‘์›์—์„œ ์ถœ์‚ฐํ•œ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ, ๋ณ‘์›์—์„œ ์ถœ์‚ฐํ•œ ์นœ๊ตฌ๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ , ์ œ์™•
23:41
C-section, and they did not have insurance andย  it costs $10,000.00, which is a lot of money.
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์ ˆ๊ฐœ ์ˆ˜์ˆ ์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜๋Š”๋ฐ, ๋ณดํ—˜๋„ ์—†๊ณ  $10,000.00์˜ ๋น„์šฉ์ด ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:49
Dan: It's less than I would've expected.
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Dan: ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ์ ๋„ค์š”.
23:51
Vanessa: But that's what I thought. I thought itย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด์—ˆ์–ด. ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ ๊ธˆ์•ก์ด
23:52
would be like $100,000.00 and usually the hospitalย  gives you some kind of payment plan. So you couldย ย 
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$100,000.00 ์ •๋„ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณ‘์›์—์„œ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์ง€๋ถˆ ๊ณ„ํš์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ
23:59
pay $100.00 every month for the rest of your lifeย  or something like that. So that's the cost thatย ย 
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๋‚จ์€ ์ƒ์•  ๋™์•ˆ ๋งค๋‹ฌ $100.00๋ฅผ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ์™€ ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ๊ธˆ์•ก์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋น„์šฉ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”
24:07
I know. I know some people who have... I don'tย  know how expensive their insurance is monthly,ย ย 
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. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋Š” ๋ช‡๋ช‡ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€... ๋งค๋‹ฌ ๋ณดํ—˜๋ฃŒ๊ฐ€ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋น„์‹ผ์ง€๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ,
24:13
but their whole birth was like $25.00, but maybeย  they're paying $500.00 a month in insurance.
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์ถœ์ƒ ์ „์ฒด ๋น„์šฉ์€ $25.00 ์ •๋„์˜€๋Š”๋ฐ, ์•„๋งˆ ๋งค๋‹ฌ ๋ณดํ—˜๋ฃŒ๋กœ $500.00๋ฅผ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:19
Dan: Or more.
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24:19
Vanessa: Or more. Soย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๊ทธ ์ด์ƒ์ด์ฃ .
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๊ทธ ์ด์ƒ์ด์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
24:21
it's hard to say exactly. It'sย  a very complicated question.
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์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ๋Š” ์–ด๋ ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งค์šฐ ๋ณต์žกํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:24
Dan: Yeah.
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24:24
Vanessa: But if you plan onย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘.
Vanessa: ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
24:25
having a baby in the US, save some money.
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ ์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ๊ณ„ํš์ด๋ผ๋ฉด ๋ˆ์„ ์ข€ ์ €์ถ•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
24:30
Dan: Don't.
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24:30
Vanessa: Don't. Save some money,ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ํ•˜์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”.
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”. ๋ˆ์„ ์ ˆ์•ฝํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
24:32
and yeah, just check with yourย  insurance company. I know someย ย 
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๋„ค, ๋ณดํ—˜์‚ฌ์— ํ™•์ธํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š” . ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ๋ถ€
24:35
insurance companies like ours, youย  can't start a new insurance companyย ย 
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๋ณดํ—˜ ํšŒ์‚ฌ๋Š” ์ด๋ฏธ ์ž„์‹ ํ•œ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ƒˆ ๋ณดํ—˜ ํšŒ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
24:42
if you're already pregnant. Okay. Are weย  ready to move on to our next question?
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. ์ข‹์•„์š”. ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์œผ๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐˆ ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ๋˜์…จ๋‚˜์š”?
24:45
Dan: I think we should.
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๋Œ„: ๊ทธ๋ž˜์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”.
24:46
Vanessa: Okay. The nextย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•Œ์•˜์–ด. ๋‹ค์Œ
24:47
question is also a new category.ย  We just talked about pregnancy,ย ย 
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์งˆ๋ฌธ๋„ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์นดํ…Œ๊ณ ๋ฆฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ์ž„์‹ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•œ
24:52
then we talked about birth and around the birthย  time. Next is our life with three children.ย ย 
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๋‹ค์Œ ์ถœ์‚ฐ๊ณผ ์ถœ์‚ฐ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋‹ค์Œ์€ ์„ธ ์ž๋…€์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ํ•˜๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์‚ถ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:59
So we have a lot of people who asked the sameย  question. Maggy, Amaury, Elodie, Lizzy all asked,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ฐ™์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ์ฃผ์‹œ๋Š” ๋ถ„๋“ค์ด ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . Maggy, Amaury, Elodie, Lizzy๊ฐ€ ๋ชจ๋‘
25:08
"Do you want to have another baby after Matilda?"ย  First of all, never ask a seven month, eight monthย ย 
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"๋งˆํ‹ธ๋‹ค ๋‹ค์Œ์œผ๋กœ ์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‚˜์š”?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฌผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ์„ , 7๊ฐœ์›”, 8๊ฐœ์›”์˜
25:15
pregnant woman if she wants another baby. That'sย  okay. I'm just saying that as a joke. But yeah.
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์ž„์‚ฐ๋ถ€์—๊ฒŒ ์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋” ๋‚ณ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€์ง€ ์ ˆ๋Œ€ ๋ฌป์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”. ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„์š”. ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋†๋‹ด์œผ๋กœ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ง์ด์—์š”. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ .
25:20
Dan: Don't ask her to her face.
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋…€์—๊ฒŒ ์–ผ๊ตด์„ ๋Œ€๊ณ  ๋ฌป์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”.
25:21
Vanessa: Let's answer together on three. Are you ready?
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Vanessa: ์„ธ ๊ฐ€์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋Œ€๋‹ตํ•ด ๋ด…์‹œ๋‹ค. ์ค€๋น„ ๋˜์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
25:24
Dan: Okay.
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๋Œ„: ์•Œ์•˜์–ด.
25:27
Vanessa: Three, two, one.
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25:27
Dan: No.
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25:27
Vanessa: No. So this is it. I thinkย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์…‹, ๋‘˜, ํ•˜๋‚˜.
Dan: ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”.
Vanessa: ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”. ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์ด๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”. ๋‚˜๋Š”
25:31
I will do everything in my power and so will Danย  to make sure that this is it. Our family is done.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์ผ์„ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋ฉฐ Dan๋„ ์ด๋ฅผ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์€ ๋๋‚ฌ์–ด์š”.
25:37
Dan: Yeah,ย ย 
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Dan: ๋„ค,
25:39
three feels perfect to me. I mean, obviouslyย  I grew up with two siblings, so it makes senseย ย 
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3๊ฐœ๊ฐ€ ๋”ฑ ๋งž๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ์ €๋Š” ๋‘ ๋ช…์˜ ํ˜•์ œ์ž๋งค์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ž๋ž๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋ง์ด ๋˜์ง€๋งŒย ย  ์„ธ ๋ช…๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด
25:44
and I know it was already quite a push forย  you to go with three. So four is a bit...
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์ด๋ฏธ ์ƒ๋‹นํ•œ ๋ถ€๋‹ด์ด์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ 4๊ฐœ๋Š” ์กฐ๊ธˆ...
25:49
Vanessa: Yeah, if we-
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Vanessa: ์˜ˆ, ๋งŒ์•ฝ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€-
25:51
Dan: As close to out of the question as possible.
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Dan: ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•œ ํ•œ ๋ถˆ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์— ๊ฐ€๊นŒ์›Œ์š”.
25:53
Vanessa: ... So the underlying feature here is if I saidย ย 
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Vanessa: ... ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ์€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€
25:57
in the future that, oh, guess what, we're havingย  a fourth baby, you'll know it was not planned.
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๋ฏธ๋ž˜์— ๋„ท์งธ ์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚ณ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ณ„ํš๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:02
Dan: That one is an accident.
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๋Œ„: ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์‚ฌ๊ณ ์˜ˆ์š”.
26:04
Vanessa: Yes. So Iย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š”
26:05
think three is good. My baby, my belly, and myย  body is suffering a lot. So we'll stop it here.
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3๊ฐœ๊ฐ€ ์ข‹๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„๊ธฐ๋„, ๋ฐฐ๋„, ๋ชธ๋„ ๋งŽ์ด ํž˜๋“ค์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ๋ฉˆ์ถ”๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:13
Dan: So you can finally recuperate after this.
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๋“œ๋””์–ด ํšŒ๋ณตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒ ๊ตฐ์š”.
26:15
Vanessa: Yes, it would be great to say,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋„ค, ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๋ฉด ์ข‹์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
26:17
okay, now my body is mine kind of. I still haveย  at least another year of taking care of a babyย ย 
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์ด์ œ ๋‚ด ๋ชธ์€ ๋‚ด ๋ชธ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์•„์ง ๋‚ด ๋ชธ์œผ๋กœ ์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋Œ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ ์–ด๋„ 1๋…„์€ ๋” ๋‚จ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
26:23
with my body. But the idea that I can go to theย  gym, I can work out, I can try to repair my body,ย ย 
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. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ฒด์œก๊ด€์— ๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ  , ์šด๋™ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ , ๋ชธ์„ ๊ณ ์น˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ, ์ด
26:29
all of these things and that's it. I'm not goingย  to get pregnant again and then have to go throughย ย 
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๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ „๋ถ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹ค์‹œ ์ž„์‹ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ  ๊ทธ
26:34
all that again. All right, the next one is also aย  big question and a lot of people asked it, Ella,ย ย 
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๋ชจ๋“  ์ผ์„ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๊ฒช์–ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ๋„ ํฐ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ธ๋ฐ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋ฌผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Ella,
26:40
Eleonora, Jeff, Ana and Claudia all asked, "Howย  in the world will you arrange your day betweenย ย 
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Eleonora, Jeff, Ana, Claudia๋Š” ๋ชจ๋‘ "
26:47
your professional duties, housekeeping, andย  your three beautiful children?" I don't know.
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์ง์—…์ ์ธ ์—…๋ฌด, ์ง‘์•ˆ์ผ, ์ผ ์‚ฌ์ด์— ํ•˜๋ฃจ๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ •๋ฆฌํ•  ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฌผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์„ธ ๋ช…์˜ ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์šด ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด์š”?" ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:54
Dan: Well, babysitters are pretty key.
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Dan: ์Œ, ๋ฒ ์ด๋น„์‹œํ„ฐ๊ฐ€ ์•„์ฃผ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ด์š”.
26:57
Vanessa: Mm-hmm.
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26:57
Dan: We couldย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์Œ-ํ .
Dan:
26:58
have a nanny, honestly, but weย  have good babysitters already.
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์†”์งํžˆ ์œ ๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ด๋ฏธ ์ข‹์€ ๋ฒ ์ด๋น„์‹œํ„ฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
27:02
Vanessa: Yeah. So as far as childcare, our oldest willย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋ณด์œก์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ํ•œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ์•„์ด๋Š”
27:06
be going to first grade. He's in kindergarten thisย  year. He'll be going to first grade. Our second,ย ย 
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1ํ•™๋…„์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Š” ์˜ฌํ•ด ์œ ์น˜์›์— ๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ 1ํ•™๋…„์ด ๋  ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”. ๋‘˜์งธ๋Š”
27:14
he's three, he will be going to preschool. Andย  that's nine o'clock to one o'clock, four daysย ย 
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3์‚ด์ด๊ณ  ์œ ์น˜์›์— ๊ฐˆ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”. ์ผ์ฃผ์ผ์— 4์ผ, 9์‹œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ 1์‹œ๊นŒ์ง€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
27:21
a week. And the baby will be with me andย  Dan will be working at our oldest's school.
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. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„๊ธฐ๋Š” ๋‚˜์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ  Dan์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ํฐ ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:32
Dan: Our oldest son's school.
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๋Œ„: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํฐ ์•„๋“ค์˜ ํ•™๊ต์˜ˆ์š”.
27:34
Vanessa: So he has the same hours, the same vacations.
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋„ ๊ฐ™์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„, ๊ฐ™์€ ํœด๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๊ตฐ์š”.
27:37
Dan: I take him to school, all that.
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๋Œ„: ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ํ•™๊ต์— ๋ฐ๋ ค๋‹ค์ฃผ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
27:39
Vanessa: You help to commuteย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
27:40
him to school, so that's a good puzzleย  piece in our life. As far as childcare,ย ย 
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ํ•™๊ต์— ํ†ตํ•™์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์„ ์ฃผ์—ˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ธ์ƒ์˜ ์ข‹์€ ํผ์ฆ ์กฐ๊ฐ์ด๊ตฐ์š”. ์œก์•„์— ์žˆ์–ด์„œ๋Š” ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ์•„ํ”„๋ฉด
27:46
I think the hard time comesย  when children are sick.
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ํž˜๋“  ์‹œ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์˜ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š” .
27:49
Dan: Yeah.
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๋Œ„: ์‘.
27:50
Vanessa: You just have mad chaos-
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Vanessa: ์ •๋ง ํ˜ผ๋ž€์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ตฐ์š”.
27:51
Dan: Yeah, that throws off everything.
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27:51
Vanessa: ... No matter what.ย ย 
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Dan: ๋„ค, ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ๋ฉด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒŒ ๋ง๊ฐ€์ง€๋Š”๊ตฐ์š”.
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ... ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์žˆ์–ด๋„์š”.
27:53
So that's for childcare. I feel like when-
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ์œก์•„๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ์•ผ. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์–ธ์ œ๊ฐ€-
27:58
Dan: That's also the time you work.
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Dan: ๊ทธ ๋•Œ๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ด์š”.
28:00
Vanessa:ย 
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28:00
... Yeah. When Matilda is young,ย  really young, she'll nap a lot.
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28:00
Vanessa: Yeah, when Matilda is young,ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
... ๋„ค. ๋งˆํ‹ธ๋‹ค๋Š” ์•„์ฃผ ์–ด๋ฆด ๋•Œ ๋‚ฎ์ž ์„ ๋งŽ์ด ์ž๊ณค ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Vanessa: ๋„ค, ๋งˆํ‹ธ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋ฆด ๋•Œ๋Š”
28:01
like really young, she'll nap a lot, andย  I plan to just lower my standards. I'llย ย 
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์•„์ฃผ ์–ด๋ฆด ๋•Œ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋‚ฎ์ž ์„ ๋งŽ์ด ์ž๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ธฐ์ค€์„ ๋‚ฎ์ถœ ๊ณ„ํš์ด์—์š”. ์ €๋Š”
28:06
still film YouTube videos. I'llย  still be active in my business,ย ย 
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๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์ดฌ์˜ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ๊ณ„์†ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด์ง€๋งŒ,
28:13
but I'm not going to be making a ton of newย  courses and lots of new stuff over the next year.
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๋‚ด๋…„์—๋Š” ์ˆ˜๋งŽ์€ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ฐ•์ขŒ์™€ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ž๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:18
Dan: She always says that.
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๋Œ„: ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•ด์š”.
28:20
Vanessa: That's true.ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด์—์š”.
28:21
But I do have a lot of help in my business,ย  in Speak English with Vanessa. There's aboutย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” Speak English with Vanessa๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ œ ์‚ฌ์—…์— ๋งŽ์€ ๋„์›€์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
28:27
10 or so people who participate in helping makeย  this business run, help to edit videos, help to-
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์ด ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ์šด์˜ํ•˜๊ณ , ๋น„๋””์˜ค ํŽธ์ง‘์„ ๋•๊ณ , ๋„์›€์„ ์ฃผ๋Š” ๋ฐ ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด 10๋ช… ์ •๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:35
Dan: She's got a real team now.
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Dan: ์ด์ œ ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์ง„์ •ํ•œ ํŒ€์„ ๊พธ๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:37
Vanessa: ... Answer studentย ย 
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Vanessa: ... ํ•™์ƒ์˜ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋‹ตํ•˜์„ธ์š”
28:38
questions. All of this, whether you know it orย  not, there's a lot of work that goes into makingย ย 
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. ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋“  ๋ชจ๋ฅด๋“  ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์‹คํ–‰ํ•˜๋ ค๋ฉด ๋งŽ์€ ์ž‘์—…์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
28:44
this run. So it's not just me. And I think thatย  due to other people helping, it will continue.ย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ๋‚˜๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ถ„๋“ค์˜ ๋„์›€์œผ๋กœ ๊ณ„์†๋  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
28:53
Right now, I am working very hard to prepareย  for the next six months, so I would love to,ย ย 
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์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์•ž์œผ๋กœ 6๊ฐœ์›”์„ ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์—ด์‹ฌํžˆ ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ ๊ผญ
29:02
I'm filming a lot of YouTube videos, like fourย  months worth of YouTube videos. I have a lotย ย 
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4๊ฐœ์›” ๋ถ„๋Ÿ‰์˜ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ๋งŽ์ด ์ดฌ์˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
29:07
of things prepared in advance, and a lot of theย  people who are working for the business are alsoย ย 
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๋ฏธ๋ฆฌ ์ค€๋น„ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๋„ ๋งŽ๊ณ , ํšŒ์‚ฌ์— ๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๋Š” ๋ถ„๋“ค๋„
29:13
preparing for kind of a maternity leave. I'm still going to be doing something,ย ย 
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์ผ์ข…์˜ ์ถœ์‚ฐํœด๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹œ๋”๋ผ๊ตฌ์š”. ์•„์ง ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ํ•  ์˜ˆ์ •์ด์ง€๋งŒ,
29:18
but it's not going to be as busy, andย  it's a good thing when you get pregnant,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”์˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์„ ๊ฑฐ๊ณ , ์ž„์‹ ํ•˜๋ฉด ์ข‹์€ ์ผ์ด๊ณ ,
29:25
you have nine months to prepare. So I'm usingย  this time to kind of prepare for the business,ย ย 
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์ค€๋น„ํ•  ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด 9๊ฐœ์›” ์ •๋„ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์ด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์‚ฌ์—… ์ค€๋น„์— ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:32
and I'm sure at some point Matilda will be takingย  less naps, she'll be sleeping less, and I'll needย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์–ด๋Š ์‹œ์ ์—๋Š” Matilda๊ฐ€ ๋‚ฎ์ž ์„ ๋œ ์ž๊ณ , ์ž ๋„ ๋œ ์ž๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
29:37
to have someone come a couple mornings a week toย  watch her so that I can do my business, which isย ย 
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์ดํ‹€์— ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ์•„์นจ์— ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ถˆ๋Ÿฌ์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ผ์ฃผ์ผ ๋™์•ˆ ๊ทธ๋…€๋ฅผ ์ง€์ผœ๋ณด๋ฉด์„œ
29:44
what we do now. But I think at the beginningย  we'll just take it slow, see how it goes.
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์ง€๊ธˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ฒ˜์Œ์—๋Š” ์ฒœ์ฒœํžˆ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ง„ํ–‰๋˜๋Š”์ง€ ์‚ดํŽด๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:50
Dan: Yeah. We'llย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
29:51
have some time, especially earlyย  on, to just be with our family,ย ย 
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ํŠนํžˆ ์ดˆ๊ธฐ์— ๊ฐ€์กฑ๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ 
29:56
build a new relationship with this child, andย  then after that we'll have help via babysitters.
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์ด ์•„์ด์™€ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ด€๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ์ถ•ํ•œ ๋‹ค์Œ ๋ฒ ์ด๋น„์‹œํ„ฐ๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ๋„์›€์„ ๋ฐ›์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:04
Vanessa: Yeah. One of theย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
30:05
parts of this, it said, "Professional duties,ย  three beautiful children and housekeeping."
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๊ทธ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์—๋Š” '์ง์—…์  ์˜๋ฌด, ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์šด ์„ธ ์ž๋…€์™€ ๊ฐ€์‚ฌ'๋ผ๊ณ  ์ ํ˜€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:10
Dan: Oh.
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๋Œ„: ์•„.
30:11
Vanessa: Yeah. That's why we have Dan.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ Dan์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ์ด์œ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:13
Dan: Who does that?ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ ?
30:14
Yeah. Right now I'm the housekeeper.
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์‘. ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์ •๋ถ€์˜ˆ์š”.
30:15
Vanessa: Yeah. So at the moment,ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ˜„์žฌ๋Š”
30:17
Dan does everything for the house, and that'sย  kind of a halfway through pregnancy into theย ย 
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Dan์ด ์ง‘์•ˆ์ผ์„ ๋ชจ๋‘ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ , ์ด๋Š” ์ž„์‹ ์˜ ์ ˆ๋ฐ˜์ฏค ๋˜๋Š” ์‹œ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
30:26
future. Who knows? Maybe Dan will alwaysย  do all the household chores. Probably not,ย ย 
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. ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ์•Œ์•„? ์•„๋งˆ๋„ Dan์€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ง‘์•ˆ์ผ์„ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:32
but I think it's really useful to try to helpย  each other out when you can. Especially whenย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•˜๋‹ค๋ฉด ์„œ๋กœ ๋„์šฐ๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •๋ง ์œ ์šฉํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ํŠนํžˆ
30:39
having a third child, having a business. Both ofย  us are working, part-time, but also full-time,ย ย 
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์…‹์งธ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๋‚ณ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋Š” ๋”์šฑ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ํŒŒํŠธํƒ€์ž„์œผ๋กœ ์ผํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํ’€ํƒ€์ž„์œผ๋กœ๋„ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  โ€‹โ€‹์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ,
30:46
and there's a lot going on in our lives. Youย  just need to be there for each other really.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์‚ถ์—๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ์„œ๋กœ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ์˜†์— ์žˆ์–ด์ฃผ๊ธฐ๋งŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:50
Dan: At least we have the robot.
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Dan: ์ ์–ด๋„ ๋กœ๋ด‡์€ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
30:52
Vanessa: Oh yeah. And we have about 10 robots-
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•„, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•ฝ 10๊ฐœ์˜ ๋กœ๋ด‡์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:55
Dan: The robo vac, I mean.
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30:55
Vanessa: ... Who also live in ourย ย 
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Dan: ๋กœ๋ด‡์ฒญ์†Œ๊ธฐ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Vanessa: ... ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ง‘์— ์‚ด๋ฉด์„œ
30:56
house and do everything. Just kidding. Talkingย  about us though, we have one bonus question,ย ย 
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๋ชจ๋“  ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ด์š”. ๋†๋‹ด์ด์—์š”. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ๋ณด๋„ˆ์Šค ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ํ•˜๋‚˜ ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ,
31:03
but before we get to the bonus question,ย  Edita has a question about us. She said,ย ย 
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๋ณด๋„ˆ์Šค ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋„๋‹ฌํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์— Edita๊ฐ€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š”
31:09
"How can you keep up your relationship withย  each other when you have three children?"
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"์ž๋…€๊ฐ€ ์…‹ ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์„œ๋กœ ๊ด€๊ณ„๋ฅผ ์œ ์ง€ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š” ?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:14
Dan: We don't know yet.
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๋Œ„: ์•„์ง์€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”.
31:16
Vanessa:ย 
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Vanessa:
31:17
How do you do it when you haveย  one child or two children?
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์ž๋…€๊ฐ€ ํ•œ ๋ช… ๋˜๋Š” ๋‘ ๋ช…์ผ ๋•Œ๋Š” ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
31:21
Dan: Well, anytime youย ย 
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31:21
have a toddler in the house, it getsย  pretty difficult, let's put it that way.
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Dan: ์Œ,
์ง‘์— ์œ ์•„๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค ๊ฝค ์–ด๋ ค์›Œ์ง€๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:26
Vanessa: Yeah. I feel like-
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๋‚ด ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์€-
31:27
Dan: Because by the endย ย 
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31:27
of the day, you're like, I'm done.
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Dan: ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ํ•˜๋ฃจ๊ฐ€ ๋๋‚  ๋•Œ์ฏค์ด๋ฉด
๋„ˆ๋Š” ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋๋‚ฌ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์•ผ.
31:30
Vanessa: I'm so tired.
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31:30
Dan: We don'tย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ํ”ผ๊ณคํ•ด์š”.
Dan: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
31:31
have time to work out our problems.ย  It's like, can I just pass out now?
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๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ํ•ด๊ฒฐํ•  ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๊ธฐ์ ˆํ•ด๋„ ๋ ๊นŒ์š”?
31:36
Vanessa: Yeah. I thinkย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—”
31:37
anyone who has kids period realizes thatย  there's a big extra effort that you haveย ย 
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์•„์ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋‚˜ ์„œ๋กœ์˜
31:44
to put into your relationship to just find theย  energy for each other, and I think we try to doย ย 
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์—๋„ˆ์ง€๋ฅผ ์ฐพ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๊ด€๊ณ„์— ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๋…ธ๋ ฅ์„ ๊ธฐ์šธ์—ฌ์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊นจ๋‹ซ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”
31:51
that. We don't always succeed, but tryingย  to find some time for each other is good.
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. ํ•ญ์ƒ ์„ฑ๊ณตํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์„œ๋กœ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์ฐพ์œผ๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:57
Dan: A big thing forย ย 
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Dan: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ์žฅ์ ์€ ๋งค์ฃผ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒฉ์ฃผ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋‚˜๋Š”
31:58
us is that we have a couple's therapist thatย  we see every week or every other week or so,ย ย 
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๋ถ€๋ถ€ ์น˜๋ฃŒ์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:04
and so that really helps us check inย  with each other. Having a middlemanย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์„œ๋กœ๋ฅผ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ํฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ค‘๊ฐœ์ธ์ด ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด
32:11
there really helps being like, "Hey,ย  how do I really feel right now?"
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'์•ผ, ์ง€๊ธˆ ๋‚ด ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์–ด๋•Œ?'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์ •๋ง ๋„์›€์ด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:15
Vanessa: Yeah. Highlyย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ์—ฐ์•  ์ค‘์ธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋‚˜
32:16
recommend talking with a couple'sย  therapist for anyone who is in aย ย 
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์ปคํ”Œ ์น˜๋ฃŒ์‚ฌ์™€ ์ƒ๋‹ดํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
32:20
relationship. You don't have to be on theย  brink of divorce to go see a therapist.
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. ์น˜๋ฃŒ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋‚˜๋Ÿฌ ๊ฐ€๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ดํ˜ผ ์ง์ „์— ์žˆ์„ ํ•„์š”๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:25
Dan: You don't have to wait till then.
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€ ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ฆด ํ•„์š”๋Š” ์—†์–ด์š”.
32:26
Vanessa: No, do not wait till then.ย ย 
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Vanessa: ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”, ๊ทธ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€ ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”.
32:27
I know when we started meeting with him, we wereย  like, yeah, our relationship has normal problems,ย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ๋งŒ๋‚˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ' ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ด€๊ณ„์—๋Š” ์ •์ƒ์ ์ธ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€
32:34
but it's not disastrous, and it's beenย  so helpful for us. You don't have to be-
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์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ' ์žฌ์•™์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๋งค์šฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ํ•„์š”๋Š” ์—†์–ด์š”-
32:39
Dan: It's very eyeopening.
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Dan: ์ •๋ง ๋†€๋ผ์›Œ์š”.
32:41
Vanessa: ... At the very end ofย ย 
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Vanessa: ... ๊ด€๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ๋๋‚  ๋•Œ์ฏค์—”
32:42
your relationship to do that. So I think that'sย  been, it's helped us to understand each otherย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ ์š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์„œ๋กœ๋ฅผ
32:47
better. And also all of these big life changes.ย  It's like a teacher, you have a teacher kind ofย ย 
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๋” ์ž˜ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ํฐ ์‚ถ์˜ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งˆ์น˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:54
guiding you through that, because, I don't know,ย  we don't really live in a culture where you haveย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์•ˆ๋‚ดํ•˜๋Š” ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ž˜ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
33:00
great-grandparents and grandparents and parentsย  all living together helping with your life a lotย ย 
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์ฆ์กฐ๋ถ€๋ชจ, ์กฐ๋ถ€๋ชจ, ๋ถ€๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์‚ด๋ฉด์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์‚ถ์„ ๋•๋Š” ๋ฌธํ™”์— ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งŽ์€ ์ผ์„
33:06
and teaching you about how to do differentย  things. So having a professional give youย ย 
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ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์ณ ์ค๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ „๋ฌธ๊ฐ€์˜ ๋„์›€์„ ๋ฐ›์œผ๋ฉด
33:13
some insight and ask the hard questions.ย  Yeah, that's been really helpful for us.
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ํ†ต์ฐฐ๋ ฅ์„ ์–ป๊ณ  ์–ด๋ ค์šด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋„ค, ์ •๋ง ๋„์›€์ด ๋์–ด์š”.
33:18
Dan: Yeah.
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33:18
Vanessa: So yeah, highly recommend.
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๋Œ„: ์‘.
Vanessa: ๋„ค, ์ ๊ทน ์ถ”์ฒœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
33:20
Dan: We also occasionally go on a date.
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๋Œ„: ์ €ํฌ๋„ ๊ฐ€๋” ๋ฐ์ดํŠธ๋ฅผ ํ•ด์š”.
33:24
Vanessa: I think whenever we get a chance to go out toย ย 
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Vanessa: ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค
33:28
lunch or drop the children off at Dan's parents'ย  house for a couple days. We're going to do thatย ย 
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์ ์‹ฌ์„ ๋จน์œผ๋Ÿฌ ๋‚˜๊ฐ€๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋ฉฐ์น  ๋™์•ˆ Dan์˜ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜ ์ง‘์— ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ๋ฐ๋ ค๋‹ค ์ค„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š” .
33:33
next week. And it feels so refreshing. And I thinkย  just try to take those chances when you can. Don'tย ย 
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๋‹ค์Œ ์ฃผ์— ๊ทธ ์ผ์„ ํ•  ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์ƒ์พŒํ•œ ๋Š๋‚Œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•˜๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์žก์œผ๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์ž๋…€์™€
33:40
feel guilty about enjoying spending time awayย  from your children. First of all, your childrenย ย 
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๋–จ์–ด์ ธ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ฃ„์ฑ…๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๋ผ์ง€ ๋งˆ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค . ์šฐ์„ , ์ž๋…€์˜
33:47
need other people in their lives, not just you.ย  They need grandparents. They need babysitters.ย ย 
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์‚ถ์—๋Š” ๊ท€ํ•˜๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์กฐ๋ถ€๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ฒ ์ด๋น„์‹œํ„ฐ๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•ด์š”.
33:52
They need a community, not just their parents.ย  So it's good for us, but it's also good for them,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ๊ณต๋™์ฒด๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋„ ์ข‹์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋„ ์ข‹์€ ๊ฒƒ
33:58
I think, too. All right, we have one finalย  question. It is a bonus question. Are you ready?
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๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ํ•˜๋‚˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋ณด๋„ˆ์Šค ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ค€๋น„ ๋˜์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
34:04
Dan: Bonus.
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34:04
Vanessa: Yes. All right. Well,ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ๋ณด๋„ˆ์Šค์š”.
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์€. ์Œ,
34:05
we've talked a lot about our experiences and ourย  lives, but Ava has a great question. Ava says,ย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ฒฝํ—˜๊ณผ ์‚ถ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ๋งŽ์€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆด๋Š”๋ฐ Ava๊ฐ€ ์ข‹์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Ava๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:15
"Do you have any recommendations for someoneย  who's pregnant for the first time?" Well,ย ย 
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"์ฒ˜์Œ์œผ๋กœ ์ž„์‹ ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ ์ถ”์ฒœํ•  ๋งŒํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š” ?" ์Œ,
34:21
we're not the world's foremostย  experts, but we've gone throughย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ย  ์ „๋ฌธ๊ฐ€๋Š” ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ด ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ
34:27
this a couple times. What would you say?
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๋ช‡ ๋ฒˆ์ด๋‚˜ ๊ฒช์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ๋งํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
34:29
Dan: I think you're an expert. At this point.
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๋Œ„: ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ „๋ฌธ๊ฐ€์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์ด ์ง€์ ์—์„œ.
34:32
Vanessa: I think if you've gone through pregnancy one time,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ์ž„์‹ ์„ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
34:34
all of a sudden you have so much more experienceย  and then two times and then three times.
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๊ฐ‘์ž๊ธฐ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ณ  ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ, ์„ธ ๋ฒˆ ๊ฒช๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
34:38
Dan: Well,ย ย 
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Dan: ์Œ,
34:39
does she mean actually the pregnancy part or?
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ์ž„์‹  ๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด?
34:42
Vanessa: Yeah, I would say-
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Vanessa: ๋„ค, ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—”-
34:43
Dan: Because a better person to answer that part.
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Dan: ๊ทธ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์— ๋‹ตํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋” ๋‚˜์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
34:44
Vanessa: ... Pregnancy, the mindset,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ... ์ž„์‹ , ์‚ฌ๊ณ ๋ฐฉ์‹,
34:47
your relationship, all of that stuff. I thinkย  we could take this question in many directions.
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๊ด€๊ณ„, ๊ทธ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์ด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์œผ๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฃฐ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:51
Dan: Yeah. Well, I hope that you have time to spendย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”,
34:57
with your partner for one. I hope the partner'sย  there. That's pretty key. Having somebody who'sย ย 
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ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๊ฐ€ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ ์žˆ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ฝค ํ•ต์‹ฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:03
really your support person is extremely important.ย  So even if the partner's not in the picture,ย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ง„์ •ํ•œ ์ง€์›์ž๊ฐ€ ๋˜์–ด ์ฃผ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ์ง„์— ์—†๋”๋ผ๋„
35:10
then you're going to need somebody who's superย  committed to being with you during that time.
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๊ทธ ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ตœ์„ ์„ ๋‹คํ•˜๋Š” ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:15
Vanessa: I think that's a goodย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ข‹์€
35:17
starting place, is having... Well, if you'reย  already pregnant, it's too late, but choosing-
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์‹œ์ž‘์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„.... ์Œ, ์ด๋ฏธ ์ž„์‹ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋Šฆ์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์„ ํƒํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑด-
35:24
Dan: Let's turnย ย 
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35:24
the chapter back a little bit. Findย  the right person to get pregnant with.
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Dan:
์žฅ์„ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋’ค๋กœ ๋Œ๋ ค๋ณด์ž. ์ž„์‹ ํ•˜๊ธฐ์— ์ ํ•ฉํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ์ฐพ์œผ์„ธ์š”.
35:28
Vanessa: Choosing someone who you like and havingย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ์„ ํƒํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ
35:31
kids with them. I know when one of my friendsย  was thinking about having a baby, she's like,ย ย 
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ . ๋‚ด ์นœ๊ตฌ ์ค‘ ํ•œ ๋ช…์ด ์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ
35:35
"I just don't know when the right time is."ย  And I was like, yeah, maybe there's some timesย ย 
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"์ ์ ˆํ•œ ๋•Œ๊ฐ€ ์–ธ์ œ์ธ์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” '์˜ˆ, ์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด
35:38
that are better than other times. But theย  biggest question is, is he the right person?ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋•Œ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ๋•Œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค'๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์ ํ•ฉํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ธ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:44
Because it's never going to be a perfect timeย  to get pregnant, but if you're with the personย ย 
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ž„์‹ ํ•˜๊ธฐ์— ์™„๋ฒฝํ•œ ์‹œ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๊ฒฐ์ฝ” ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ,
35:49
that you want to be with, in the end it will workย  out. Yes, sometimes will be harder than others,ย ย 
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ํ•จ๊ป˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜๋ผ๋ฉด ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ์—๋Š” ์„ฑ๊ณตํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋„ค, ๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ๋‚จ๋“ค๋ณด๋‹ค ์–ด๋ ค์šธ ๋•Œ๋„ ์žˆ๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ,
35:55
but I think the first question is who? And Iย  would say the second thing is a lot of people,ย ย 
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์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์ผ๊นŒ์š”? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด,
36:04
a lot of women who are pregnant for the firstย  time, it's very normal, I was like this too,ย ย 
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์ฒ˜์Œ์œผ๋กœ ์ž„์‹ ํ•œ ๋งŽ์€ ์—ฌ์„ฑ๋“ค์ด , ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์ •์ƒ์ ์ธ ์ผ์ด๊ณ , ๋‚˜๋„ ๊ทธ๋žฌ๊ณ ,
36:08
do a lot of research and feel a lotย  more anxious about their first child,ย ย 
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์—ฐ๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ๋งŽ์ด ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ฒซ ์•„์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๋ถˆ์•ˆ๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๋‚€๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ,
36:13
especially for us compared to number two andย  number three. It's not that they're neglected,ย ย 
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ํŠนํžˆ 2์œ„์™€ 3์œ„์— ๋น„ํ•ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๋”์šฑ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋ฌด์‹œ๋‹นํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ,
36:18
it's you're more realistic about what yourย  life is going to be like. So I would say talkย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์‚ถ์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ ์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋” ํ˜„์‹ค์ ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ฒซ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ์ž„์‹ ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ
36:25
to other people who have two or three childrenย  or more when you're pregnant with your firstย ย 
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๋‘์„ธ ๋ช… ์ด์ƒ์˜ ์ž๋…€๋ฅผ ๋‘” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š”
36:31
child. Because I think it helps to give someย  perspective when you're worried about, well,ย ย 
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36:37
is this type of washing detergent? I know newย  mothers sometimes think I need to wash my baby'sย ย 
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์„ธํƒ ์„ธ์ œ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”? ์ดˆ๋ณด ์—„๋งˆ๋“ค์€ ๋•Œ๋•Œ๋กœ ์•„๊ธฐ์˜
36:44
clothes in this specific type of soap, or thoseย  little things that can really stress you out.ย 
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์˜ท์„ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ํŠน์ •ํ•œ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ๋น„๋ˆ„๋‚˜ ์ŠคํŠธ๋ ˆ์Šค๋ฅผ ์ค„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž‘์€ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค๋กœ ์„ธํƒํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:50
Talking to someone who's had more children, justย  chit-chatting with them. Or even if you, I knowย ย 
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์ž๋…€๋ฅผ ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ๋‚ณ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„์„ธ์š”. ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์žก๋‹ด์„ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„์„ธ์š”. ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด 11๋ช…์˜ ์ž๋…€๋ฅผ ๋‘”
36:56
there's some great YouTube channels of parentsย  who have 11 children. Don't look at the crazyย ย 
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๋ถ€๋ชจ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ YouTube ์ฑ„๋„์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋ฏธ์นœ๋†ˆ๋“ค์„ ๋ณด์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”
37:03
ones. Look at people who seem pretty normal still,ย  and it can be really grounding to see their kindย ย 
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. ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๊ฝค ํ‰๋ฒ”ํ•ด ๋ณด์ด๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
37:10
of advice where we are thinking about, oh, okay,ย  we have two boys and then a baby girl. Are theyย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์กฐ์–ธ์„ ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ •๋ง ๊ทผ๊ฑฐ๊ฐ€ ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„, ์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒ ๋‚จ์ž์•„์ด๊ฐ€ ๋‘˜์ด๊ณ  ๋”ธ์•„์ด๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€
37:17
all going to sleep in the same room? What are theyย  going to do? We have three kids, so we have kindย ย 
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๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋ฐฉ์—์„œ ์ž๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋‚˜์š”? ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋ญ˜ ํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”? ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒ ์•„์ด๊ฐ€ ์…‹์ด๋ผ
37:22
of a lot of experience, but when you hear aboutย  someone who has six or seven children and you seeย ย 
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๊ฒฝํ—˜๋„ ๋งŽ์ง€๋งŒ, 6~7๋ช…์˜ ์ž๋…€๋ฅผ ๋‘” ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๊ณ 
37:27
their life, living situations, it kind of helpsย  give you more perspective. So you feel not anxiousย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์‚ถ๊ณผ ์ƒํ™œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์„ ๋ณด๋ฉด ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ์„ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€
37:35
about everything. There's some things that areย  worth spending a lot of time on, but in general,ย ย 
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๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ถˆ์•ˆ๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๋ผ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งŽ์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํˆฌ์žํ•  ๊ฐ€์น˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์ด ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ
37:41
I think that can help give you good perspective.ย  A little tip that I am just learning now is-
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์ข‹์€ ๊ด€์ ์„ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ง€๊ธˆ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž‘์€ ํŒ์€-
37:46
Dan: A little late.
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Dan: ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋Šฆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
37:47
Vanessa: A little late, but isย ย 
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Vanessa: ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋Šฆ์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ
37:48
not too late yet. There's a very interesting bookย  called The Fourth Trimester. A lot of talk whenย ย 
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์•„์ง ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋Šฆ์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์•˜์–ด์š”. The Fourth Trimester๋ผ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ์ฑ…์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
37:56
you have a baby is how to take care of the baby,ย  what do you do with the baby? But a lot of theย ย 
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์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚ณ์œผ๋ฉด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด ์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ž˜ ๋Œ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š๋ƒ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์ด ๋‚˜์˜ค๋˜๋ฐ, ์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”? ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
38:01
focus goes off of you when you're pregnant. It'sย  like, "Oh, your belly, oh, the mom, mom, mom."ย 
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์ž„์‹ ์„ ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋งŽ์€ ์ดˆ์ ์ด ํ๋ ค์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งˆ์น˜ '์•„, ๋ฐฐ, ์•„, ์—„๋งˆ, ์—„๋งˆ, ์—„๋งˆ' ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
38:06
But then when you have the baby, a lot of theย  focus is on the baby. So this book focuses onย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚ณ์œผ๋ฉด ๋งŽ์€ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ์•„๊ธฐ์—๊ฒŒ ์ ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด ์ฑ…์€
38:11
how to take care of yourself, and I guessย  the spoiler is that you don't take careย ย 
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์ž์‹ ์„ ๋Œ๋ณด๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์— ์ดˆ์ ์„ ๋งž์ถ”๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์Šคํฌ์ผ๋Ÿฌ๋Š” ์ž์‹ ์„ ๋Œ๋ณด์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
38:18
of yourself. You have other people helping toย  take care of you, and you kind of set up your-
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. ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ๋ณด์‚ดํ”ผ๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์„ ์ฃผ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์ค€๋น„๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์…ˆ์ด์ฃ .
38:22
Dan: You need your pamper people.
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Dan: ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์• ์ง€์ค‘์ง€ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
38:24
Vanessa: Yes. You setย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ์ถœ์ƒ ํ›„
38:25
up your life so that the first couple monthsย  after birth, you are taken care of because itย ย 
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์ฒ˜์Œ ๋ช‡ ๋‹ฌ ๋™์•ˆ์€
38:32
can be a really big shock. It is going to be aย  big shock starting your life as a mother. Andย ย 
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์ •๋ง ํฐ ์ถฉ๊ฒฉ์ด ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฏ€๋กœ ๋ณด์‚ดํ•Œ์„ ๋ฐ›๋„๋ก ์ธ์ƒ์„ ์„ค์ •ํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ์—„๋งˆ๋กœ์„œ์˜ ์‚ถ์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ํฐ ์ถฉ๊ฒฉ์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
38:39
so I think this book would be extremely helpfulย  to a third time mother or a first time mother toย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด ์ฑ…์€ ์„ธ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์—„๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์ดˆ๋ณด ์—„๋งˆ์—๊ฒŒ ๋งค์šฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
38:45
help you be able to be your best self so thatย  you can come out of the first three monthsย ย 
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38:51
of having a baby and you feel stronger,ย  you feel more capable, and you feel readyย ย 
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์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚ณ์€ ํ›„ ์ฒซ 3๊ฐœ์›” ๋™์•ˆย ย  ๋” ๊ฐ•ํ•ด์ง€๊ณ , ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋” ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋Š๋ผ๊ณ ,
38:57
for starting that new part of your life. I feel like that book would've been veryย ย 
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์ธ์ƒ์˜ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ๋˜์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋Š๋‚๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ์ฑ…์ด
39:01
helpful to me. Maybe you live in a culture thatย  really takes care of new mothers. We don't. Soย ย 
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๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ๋งค์šฐย ย  ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์—ˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ดˆ๋ณด ์—„๋งˆ๋ฅผ ์ง„์‹ฌ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ๋ณด๋Š” ๋ฌธํ™”์— ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
39:09
I think the ideas in this book were reallyย  helpful to me. So anyway, that's my advice.
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์ด ์ฑ…์— ๋‹ด๊ธด ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ์ •๋งย  ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด์จŒ๋“ , ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‚ด ์กฐ์–ธ์ด์—์š”.
39:13
Dan: I think I have another tip.
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Dan: ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํŒ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
39:14
Vanessa: Oh, okay.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•„, ์•Œ์•˜์–ด.
39:15
Dan: First time mother?
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๋Œ„: ์—„๋งˆ๊ฐ€ ์ฒ˜์Œ์ด์„ธ์š”?
39:16
Vanessa: Yeah.
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39:16
Dan: You should go to a birth class.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
๋Œ„: ์ถœ์ƒ๋ฐ˜์— ๊ฐ€์•ผ ํ•ด.
39:18
Vanessa: Definitely.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด์ฃ .
39:19
Dan: Yeah.ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘.
39:20
Because we went to a class together that kind of-
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๊ฐ™์ด ๋“ค์—ˆ๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”-
39:24
Vanessa: Go together. Yes.
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Vanessa: ๊ฐ™์ด ๊ฐ€์š”. ์˜ˆ.
39:25
Dan: Yes. Make sureย ย 
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39:25
you bring your partner, your support person.
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๋Œ„: ๋„ค.
ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ, ์ง€์› ๋‹ด๋‹น์ž๋ฅผ ๊ผญ ๋ฐ๋ ค์˜ค์„ธ์š”.
39:27
Vanessa: Yes.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
39:28
Dan: And yeah,ย ย 
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋„ค,
39:31
they just went over all the different thingsย  you can do to not basically freak out and helpย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฒ์„ ๋จน์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ 
39:39
the person through it, what all the differentย  signs are during the labor so you're not totallyย ย 
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ํ™˜์ž๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ฅผ ๊ทน๋ณตํ•˜๋„๋ก ๋•๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ผ๋“ค์„ ๊ฒ€ํ† ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ถ„๋งŒ ์ค‘์— ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ง•ํ›„๋Š” ์ „ํ˜€
39:47
surprised. And I probably need a refresher Lastย  time with Freddy, our second child, I just readย ย 
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๋†€๋ผ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋ณต์Šต์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€๋‚œ๋ฒˆ์— ๋‘˜์งธ ์•„์ด์ธ ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜
39:53
the paper over and I was like, oh yeah, those areย  the good tips. And so I was more prepared. With-
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์‹ ๋ฌธ์„ ์ฝ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์„œ '์•„, ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ข‹์€ ํŒ์ด๊ตฌ๋‚˜'๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์–ด์š” . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ์ค€๋น„ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ํ•จ๊ป˜-
39:59
Vanessa: And he just cameย ย 
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€
40:00
so fast that there's no time to think.
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋นจ๋ฆฌ ์™€์„œ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ์‹œ๊ฐ„๋„ ์—†์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
40:02
Dan: But with your first,ย ย 
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Dan: ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋Š”
40:03
it will probably take a lot longerย  so it's good to be very prepared,ย ย 
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ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์˜ค๋žœ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๊ฑธ๋ฆด ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ฏ€๋กœ ์ž˜ ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
40:08
especially the husbands out there orย  partners of various shapes and sizesย ย 
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ํŠนํžˆ ๋‚จํŽธ์ด๋‚˜ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์ฒดํ˜•๊ณผ ํฌ๊ธฐ์˜ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๋Š” ๋”์šฑ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
40:14
and forms. Take a birth class with your wifeย  or partner. Yeah, you need to be prepared too.
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. ์•„๋‚ด๋‚˜ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ถœ์‚ฐ ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋“ค์–ด๋ณด์„ธ์š” . ์‘, ๋„ˆ๋„ ์ค€๋น„ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ด.
40:20
Vanessa: Yeah. I thinkย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—
40:21
that sets you up for the birth, but it setsย  you up for being parents together. A lot ofย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ถœ์‚ฐ์„ ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งŽ์€
40:26
moms will have a pregnancy app on theirย  phone. I remember the first day of thatย ย 
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์—„๋งˆ๋“ค์ด ํœด๋Œ€์ „ํ™”์— ์ž„์‹  ์•ฑ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
40:30
pregnancy or the birth class, the teacher askedย  us, "So who has a pregnancy app on your phone?"ย 
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์ž„์‹  ์ฒซ๋‚ ์ด๋‚˜ ์ถœ์‚ฐ ์ˆ˜์—…์ด ์žˆ๋˜ ๋‚ , ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ "๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๋„ค ํœด๋Œ€ํฐ์— ์ž„์‹  ์•ฑ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์•ผ?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฌผ์œผ์‹  ๊ธฐ์–ต์ด ๋‚ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
40:36
All of the women raise their hands. And they said,ย  "Okay guys, which one of you have a pregnancy appย ย 
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๋ชจ๋“  ์—ฌ์„ฑ๋“ค์ด ์†์„ ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ "์ข‹์•„์š”, ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„ ์ค‘ ํœด๋Œ€์ „ํ™”์— ์ž„์‹  ์•ฑ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”
40:42
on your phone?" And none of the men raised theirย  hands. So if you're the one who's not pregnant,ย ย 
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?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚จ์ž ์ค‘ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋„ ์†์„ ๋“ค์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ž„์‹ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด
40:49
doing a birth class together, or just even havingย  a day where you go over some birth articles orย ย 
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์ถœ์‚ฐ ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ์ถœ์‚ฐ ๊ด€๋ จ ๊ธฐ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ๊ฒ€ํ† ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
40:58
watch a couple birth videos together, thoseย  types of things, it sets you up to be partnersย ย 
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์ถœ์‚ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๋Š” ํ•˜๋ฃจ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋‚ธ๋‹ค๋ฉด ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๊ฐ€ ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
41:02
with your baby. It's not just the mom's duty.ย  There's a lot that is on the mom that the momย ย 
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์•„๊ธฐ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์—„๋งˆ๋งŒ์˜ ์˜๋ฌด๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—„๋งˆ๊ฐ€
41:08
has to do and the other person can't do. Butย  in general, that mindset that you're in thisย ย 
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ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ผ์ด ๋งŽ๊ณ  ์ƒ๋Œ€๋ฐฉ์€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š” ์ผ์ด ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ด ์ผ์— ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ๊ณ ๋ฐฉ์‹์ด
41:14
together is really important. So yeah, that was a good tip.ย 
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์ •๋ง ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ตฐ์š”, ์ข‹์€ ํŒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
41:19
Well, thank you so much for joining me on thatย  pregnancy conversation journey. Now we're goingย ย 
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์ €์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ž„์‹  ๊ด€๋ จ ๋Œ€ํ™” ์—ฌ์ •์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ด์ œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
41:24
to step into parenting. After having that child,ย  we are now deep into the three child parentingย ย 
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์œก์•„์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๋‚ณ๊ณ  ์ด์ œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์„ธ ์•„์ด์˜ ์œก์•„ ์ƒํ™œ์— ๊นŠ์ˆ™์ด ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
41:32
life. So let's go on to that conversationย  where you'll see some of your questionsย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ
41:37
that we answered about parenting. Let's go. Are you ready to start with the first question?
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์œก์•„์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‹ต๋ณ€ํ•œ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ์‚ดํŽด๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ‘์‹œ๋‹ค. ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ๋˜์…จ๋‚˜์š”?
41:42
Dan: I'm ready.
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๋Œ„: ๋‚œ ์ค€๋น„๋์–ด.
41:43
Vanessa: All right. Here goes.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•Œ์•˜์–ด. ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๊ฐ„๋‹ค.
41:44
Dan: What could it be?
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๋Œ„: ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ญ์ฃ ?
41:45
Vanessa: The questions are from Alex,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ์—์„œ ์˜จ Alex,
41:47
from Brazil, Claudio, also from Brazil, andย  Vera from Taiwan. They all asked questionsย ย 
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์—ญ์‹œ ๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ์—์„œ ์˜จ Claudio, ๋Œ€๋งŒ์—์„œ ์˜จ Vera์—๊ฒŒ์„œ ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์œก์•„์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
41:53
about parenting. The first one is, "Whatย  has it been like having three kids so far?"ย ย 
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. ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” " ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ ์„ธ ๋ช…์˜ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ํ‚ค์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์–ด๋• ๋‚˜์š”?"์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
42:02
Maybe we should give a little backgroundย  of our children's ages and all of that.
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์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค์˜ ๋‚˜์ด์™€ ๊ทธ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ๋ฐฐ๊ฒฝ ์ง€์‹์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
42:06
Dan: How many childrenย ย 
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42:06
do we have? We do have three. Indeed.
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๋Œ„: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋Š” ๋ช‡ ๋ช…
์ธ๊ฐ€์š”? ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒ 3๊ฐœ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก .
42:08
Vanessa: Yes. So we have Theo,ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
42:10
who is six now. We have Freddy, who is three,ย  and we have a new baby, Matilda, who is twoย ย 
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์ด์ œ 6์‚ด์ด ๋œ ํ…Œ์˜ค๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒ ์„ธ ์‚ด ๋œ ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ณ ,
42:18
months old when you're watching this. Yeah.ย  What's it been like having three kids so far?
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์ด ์˜์ƒ์„ ๋ณด๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ƒํ›„ 2๊ฐœ์›” ๋œ ์ƒˆ ์•„๊ธฐ ๋งˆํ‹ธ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘. ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ ์„ธ ๋ช…์˜ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ํ‚ค์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์–ด๋• ๋‚˜์š”?
42:23
Dan: I feelย ย 
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Dan:
42:24
like what we've experienced so far is notย  probably representative of what will happen.
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์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ์ผ์–ด๋‚  ์ผ์„ ๋Œ€ํ‘œํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
42:30
Vanessa: Oh yeah?
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•„ ๊ทธ๋ž˜์š”?
42:31
Dan: Yes. Because Matilda,ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ๋„ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋งˆํ‹ธ๋‹ค๋Š”
42:33
she is just a little baby and she isย  actually a very, very, very good sleeper.
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๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ๋‹จ์ง€ ์ž‘์€ ์•„๊ธฐ์ผ ๋ฟ์ด๊ณ  ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ์•„์ฃผ ์•„์ฃผ ์•„์ฃผ ์ž˜ ์ž๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
42:39
Vanessa: Oh, so easy.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•„, ์ •๋ง ์‰ฌ์›Œ์š”.
42:40
Dan: That's reallyย ย 
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Dan: ์ •๋ง
42:41
made it very helpful for us. She takes her napย  and then she wakes up and she's not that upset,ย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๋งค์šฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ๋‚ฎ์ž ์„ ์ž๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๊นจ์–ด๋‚ฌ์„ ๋•Œ ๋ณ„๋กœ ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚ด์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๊ณ , ๋‹ค์‹œ
42:46
and then she takes another napย  and then she sleeps all night.
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๋‚ฎ์ž ์„ ์ž๊ณ  ๋ฐค์ƒˆ๋„๋ก ์ž ์„ ์žค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
42:50
Vanessa: That's unbelievable.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๋ง๋„ ์•ˆ ๋ผ์š”.
42:51
Dan: Possiblyย ย 
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Dan: ์•„๋งˆ
42:52
unheard of for a baby. So, so far it's beenย  pretty easy with Matilda, but the other two,ย ย 
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์•„๊ธฐ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๋“ค์–ด๋ณธ ์  ์—†๋Š” ์ผ์ด๊ฒ ์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€๋Š” Matilda์™€ ๊ด€๋ จํ•ด์„œ ๊ฝค ์‰ฌ์› ์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚˜๋จธ์ง€ ๋‘ ๋ช…์€
43:03
as they get older, I think they kind ofย  in their own way get a little harder.
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๋‚˜์ด๊ฐ€ ๋“ค์ˆ˜๋ก ๋‚˜๋ฆ„๋Œ€๋กœ ์ข€ ๋” ์–ด๋ ค์›Œ์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
43:06
Vanessa: Yeah,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋„ค,
43:07
they say bigger kids, biggerย  problems, generally is how it goes.ย 
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์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ํฌ๋ฉด ๋ฌธ์ œ๋„ ๋” ์ปค์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋”๋ผ๊ณ ์š”.
43:11
And I'm sure it will all change as they get olderย  and all go through different stages. But really,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์ด๊ฐ€ ๋“ค๋ฉด์„œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ณ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‹จ๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๊ฑฐ์น˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ,
43:16
I think the most difficult, oftentimes parentsย  ask, what's the most difficult stage? I thinkย ย 
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ์–ด๋ ค์šด ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์ข…์ข… ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์–ด๋ ค์šด ๋‹จ๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ณด์‹œ์ฃ . ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—”
43:22
the most difficult was going from zero kids toย  one kid because it's such a huge life change. Weย ย 
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0๋ช…์˜ ์•„์ด๊ฐ€ 1๋ช…์˜ ์•„์ด๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์–ด๋ ค์› ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์‚ถ์˜ ๋ณ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ํฌ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ . ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”ย ย  ๋Šฆ์€
43:31
were going to the brewery and trivia nightย  late at night and going with our friends.
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๋ฐค์— ์–‘์กฐ์žฅ๊ณผ ํ€ด์ฆˆ ํŒŒํ‹ฐ์— ๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
43:37
Dan: We had a nightlife.
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๋Œ„: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฐค๋ฌธํ™”๋ฅผ ์ฆ๊ฒผ์–ด์š”.
43:38
Vanessa:ย 
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Vanessa:
43:39
Going on long hikes andย  doing things spontaneously.
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์žฅ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ ํ•˜์ดํ‚น์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ฆ‰ํฅ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ผ์„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
43:43
Dan: We were camping.
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๋Œ„: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์บ ํ•‘์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
43:44
Vanessa: Going camping and-
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Vanessa: ์บ ํ•‘์„ ๊ฐ€๊ฑฐ๋‚˜-
43:46
Dan: Backpacking in fact.
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Dan: ์‚ฌ์‹ค์€ ๋ฐฐ๋‚ญ์—ฌํ–‰์ด์—์š”.
43:48
Vanessa: And then whenย ย 
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
43:49
you have a baby, all of a suddenย  your life changes dramatically.
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์•„๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ธฐ๋ฉด ๊ฐ‘์ž๊ธฐ ์ธ์ƒ์ด ๊ทน์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณ€ํ•ด์š”.
43:52
Dan: Nowย ย 
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Dan: ์ด์ œ
43:53
backpacking is carrying the baby down the stairs.
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๋ฐฐ๋‚ญ์—ฌํ–‰์€ ์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ณ„๋‹จ ์•„๋ž˜๋กœ ์šด๋ฐ˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
43:56
Vanessa: You're alwaysย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ•ญ์ƒ
43:58
backpacking. So I feel like that was the biggestย  change and probably the most difficult change. Iย ย 
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๋ฐฐ๋‚ญ์—ฌํ–‰์„ ๋‹ค๋‹ˆ์ž–์•„์š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ๋ณ€ํ™”์ด์ž ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์–ด๋ ค์šด ๋ณ€ํ™”์˜€๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์ €๋Š”
44:03
know a lot of people say going from one kid toย  two kids is the most difficult because all ofย ย 
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๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ํ•œ ์•„์ด์—์„œ ๋‘ ์•„์ด๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์–ด๋ ต๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด
44:07
a sudden you're juggling two differentย  humans. But for us, at least for me,ย ย 
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๊ฐ‘์ž๊ธฐ ์„œ๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‘ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ์ €๊ธ€๋งํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š”, ์ ์–ด๋„ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ๋Š”
44:13
I would say going from zero to one was theย  most difficult one to two. It was trickier.
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0์—์„œ 1๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด 1์—์„œ 2๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์–ด๋ ค์› ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋” ๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กœ์› ์–ด์š”.
44:20
Dan: I think itย ย 
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44:20
gets progressively harder,ย  but I'm not a woman, so.
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Dan:
์ ์  ๋” ์–ด๋ ค์›Œ์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ, ์ €๋Š” ์—ฌ์ž๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
44:25
Vanessa: Well, everyone's gotย ย 
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Vanessa: ์Œ, ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€
44:26
their own opinion about this. I think going fromย  two to three so far hasn't been a huge change.
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์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ž์‹ ๋งŒ์˜ ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ 2๊ฐœ์—์„œ 3๊ฐœ๋กœ ๋Š˜์–ด๋‚œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ํฐ ๋ณ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
44:34
Dan: Not too bad.
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๋Œ„: ๋‚˜์˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”.
44:35
Vanessa: Maybe it'sย ย 
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44:35
just because she's pretty chill and I thinkย  that this summer has been really specialย ย 
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Vanessa: ์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด
๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๊ฝค ์ฐจ๊ฐ‘๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ , ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ง‘์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ด๋ฒˆ ์—ฌ๋ฆ„์ด ์ •๋ง ํŠน๋ณ„ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”
44:41
because you've been home. I've had anotherย  parent at home at all times to help with allย ย 
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. ์ง‘์—๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋ชจ๋“  ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ๋„์™€์ค„ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์ด ๊ณ„์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
44:50
the children. So instead of being parentingย  alone, being a parent alone with three kids,ย ย 
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. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ํ˜ผ์ž ์–‘์œกํ•˜๋Š” ๋Œ€์‹  , ์„ธ ์ž๋…€๋ฅผ ๋‘” ๋ถ€๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ๋Œ€์‹ 
44:57
right now, we've got two parents at home atย  all times. But when you're watching this,ย ย 
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, ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์ง‘์— ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋‘ ๋ช…์˜ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด ์˜์ƒ์„ ๋ณด๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹œ๋‹ค๋ฉด
45:03
that is changing because school is startingย  back. Dan's going back to work at the schoolย ย 
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ํ•™๊ต๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์‹œ์ž‘๋˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ๋ฐ”๋€Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . Dan์€ ์ž์‹ ์ด ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ํ•™๊ต๋กœ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
45:07
where he works. Theo will also be going toย  school. Freddy will be going to preschool,ย ย 
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. ํ…Œ์˜ค๋„ ํ•™๊ต์— ๊ฐˆ ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””๋Š” ์œ ์น˜์›์— ๊ฐˆ ์˜ˆ์ •์ด๋ฏ€๋กœ
45:11
so it'll be a little bit trickier. So maybeย  we'll keep you updated. That's the final answer.
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์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กœ์šธ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ์†Œ์‹์„ ์ „ํ•ด๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ตœ์ข… ๋‹ต๋ณ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
45:15
Dan: Yeah.ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘.
45:16
I think it's a lot trickier for moms,ย  especially when they're at home. Nowย ย 
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ์—„๋งˆ๋“ค์ด ํŠนํžˆ ์ง‘์— ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ๋Š” ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กœ์šธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์ด์ œ
45:21
that I've been home for the summer,ย  it's actually been harder for me,ย ย 
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์—ฌ๋ฆ„ ๋™์•ˆ ์ง‘์— ์žˆ์—ˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋” ํž˜๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
45:25
I think overall because you're alwaysย  holding or caring for somebody all the time.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์•ˆ๊ณ  ๋ณด์‚ดํŽด ์ฃผ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
45:30
Vanessa: There's no break.
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45:30
Dan: And that's especially true with theย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‰ฌ๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์€ ์—†์–ด์š”.
Dan: ํŠนํžˆ
45:31
baby. So it's just cycling through the kids. Who am I tending to now? Y.
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์•„๊ธฐ์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋Š” ๋”์šฑ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹จ์ง€ ์•„์ด๋“ค ์‚ฌ์ด๋ฅผ ์ˆœํ™˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ง€๊ธˆ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ๋Œ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฑธ๊นŒ? Y.
45:36
Vanessa: Yeah. Sometimes we say,ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๋„ค. ๋•Œ๋•Œ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
45:37
"If it's not one, it's the other." Somebody isย  always having a problem at all times. Hopefullyย ย 
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'ํ•˜๋‚˜๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋‹ค'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ๊ฒช๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
45:43
it's not all three at the same time. Iย  think that only happened one time so far.
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์„ธ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ฐ€ ๋™์‹œ์— ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ ๋”ฑ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ์ผ์–ด๋‚œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
45:49
Dan: Wait, what?
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45:49
Vanessa: When everyone was crying?
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๋Œ„: ์ž ๊น, ๋ญ๋ผ๊ณ ์š”?
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ์šธ๊ณ  ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ์š”?
45:50
Dan: Oh yeah.
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๋Œ„: ์•„ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ตฐ์š”.
45:51
Vanessa: And weย ย 
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45:51
were almost there. We were almost crying too.
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋‹ค ์™”์–ด์š”. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋„ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์šธ ๋ป”ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
45:54
Dan: I don't know. At that point,ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ ์‹œ์ ์—์„œ,
45:55
you just kind of look at each other andย  you kind of laugh because you're like,ย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์„œ๋กœ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณด๊ณ , '
45:58
what am I going to do now? Iย  don't know. You're all crying.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ด์ œ ์–ด๋–กํ•˜์ง€?'๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ์›ƒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์šธ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
46:00
Vanessa: Well, here we go.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์ž, ์ด์ œ ๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
46:01
Dan: Let's let them cry.
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๋Œ„: ์šธ๊ฒŒ ๋†”๋‘์ž.
46:02
Vanessa: I know. I saw aย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•Œ์•„์š”.
46:04
picture once. There's a Facebook page, it's alsoย  an Instagram page called Humans of New York. Maybeย ย 
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ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ์‚ฌ์ง„์„ ๋ดค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Facebook ํŽ˜์ด์ง€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ณ  Humans of New York์ด๋ผ๋Š” Instagram ํŽ˜์ด์ง€๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋งˆ๋„
46:13
you've seen it before. If not, I highly recommendย  it because it's a great way to get little snippetsย ย 
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์ด์ „์— ๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๋ฉด ์–ธ์–ด์™€ ๋ฌธํ™”์˜ ์ž‘์€ ๋‹จํŽธ์„ ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ ๊ทน ๊ถŒ์žฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
46:17
of language and culture. Anyway, there's a guy whoย  goes around New York taking pictures of strangersย ย 
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. ์–ด์จŒ๋“  ๋‚ฏ์„  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ์‚ฌ์ง„์„ ์ฐ์œผ๋ฉฐ ๋‰ด์š•์„ ๋Œ์•„๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๋Š” ๋‚จ์ž๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
46:23
and he asks them a bit about their lives andย  they usually share something pretty interesting,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์‚ถ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ณด๋Š”๋ฐ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋Œ€๊ฐœ ๊ฝค ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋Š” ๊ฒƒ
46:27
I think. But there was one couple he tookย  a picture of and they had a young childย ย 
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๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ์ง„์„ ์ฐ์€ ํ•œ ์ปคํ”Œ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ๊ทธ ๋ถ€๋ถ€์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์–ด๋ฆฐ ์•„์ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
46:32
with them and he said something like, or theyย  said something about the process of decidingย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ง์„ ํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”. ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์งˆ์ง€ ๋ง์ง€ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณผ์ •์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”
46:37
whether or not they should have children. And they're like, "I don't know. We likeย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ "๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”.
46:40
our lives now. Should we have kids?" And I thinkย  the husband, he said, "Well, having kids is theย ย 
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์ง€๊ธˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์‚ถ์ด ์ข‹์•„์š”. ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”?"๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๋‚จํŽธ์€ "์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
46:48
full human experience. Humans have been havingย  children and being around children for eternity."
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์ธ๊ฐ„์˜ ์™„์ „ํ•œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ธ๊ฐ„์€ ์˜์›ํžˆ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๋‚ณ๊ณ  ์•„์ด๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์žˆ์–ด ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
46:55
Dan: That's right.
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๋Œ„: ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ .
46:56
Vanessa: She said that when theirย ย 
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Vanessa:
46:59
child is screaming in the bath or having a crazyย  time, they just look at each other and say, "Fullย ย 
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์•„์ด๊ฐ€ ์š•์กฐ์—์„œ ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ง€๋ฅด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์‹ ๋‚˜๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋‚ผ ๋•Œ, ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์„œ๋กœ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณด๋ฉฐ "์™„์ „ํ•œ
47:04
human experience." And really, that's kind of allย  you can do. Yeah. I get frustrated sometimes. Iย ย 
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์ธ๊ฐ„ ๊ฒฝํ—˜"์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”. ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ „๋ถ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฐ€๋” ์ขŒ์ ˆ๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๋‚€๋‹ค.
47:10
get angry sometimes, but in the end, you kind ofย  just got to take a step back and go, all right.
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๊ฐ€๋” ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚ด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ์—๋Š” ํ•œ ๋ฐœ ๋’ค๋กœ ๋ฌผ๋Ÿฌ์„œ์„œ ๊ฐ€๋ฉด ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
47:16
Dan: You just keepย ย 
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Dan: ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ณ„์†
47:17
telling yourself, I hopeย  it'll be worth it someday.
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์Šค์Šค๋กœ์—๊ฒŒ ์–ธ์  ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ทธ๋งŒํ•œ ๊ฐ€์น˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
47:20
Vanessa: We are experiencing the full human experience.
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Vanessa: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ธ๊ฐ„์˜ ์™„์ „ํ•œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
47:23
Dan: It's not really that bad though.
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋ž˜๋„ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋‚˜์˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์•„์š”.
47:25
Vanessa: No.
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Vanessa: ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”.
47:26
Dan: In general,ย ย 
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Dan: ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ
47:27
it's been very nice and veryย  rewarding. That's the word.
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๋งค์šฐ ์นœ์ ˆํ–ˆ๊ณ  ๋ณด๋žŒ๋„ ์ปธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ทธ ๋‹จ์–ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
47:30
Vanessa: Yeah. I thinkย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ย ย  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด
47:31
that's the thing about parenting is thatย  on paper there's a lot of negatives. Youย ย 
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์œก์•„์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์  ์„œ๋ฅ˜์ƒ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ๋ถ€์ •์ ์ธ ๋ฉด์ด ๋งŽ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์˜
47:36
got to change your life. It'sย  expensive, it's a lot of work-
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์ธ์ƒ์„ ๋ฐ”๊ฟ”์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„์šฉ์ด ๋งŽ์ด ๋“ค๊ณ , ์†์ด ๋งŽ์ด ๊ฐ€๋Š” ์ผ์ด์—์š”-
47:39
Dan: You got to change diapers.
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Dan: ๊ธฐ์ €๊ท€๋ฅผ ๊ฐˆ์•„์•ผ ํ•ด์š”.
47:40
Vanessa: You got to change diapers.ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๊ธฐ์ €๊ท€๋ฅผ ๊ฐˆ์•„์•ผ ํ•ด์š”.
47:42
There's a lot of negatives on paper involved,ย  but I think anyone who has been a parent,ย ย 
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์„œ๋ฅ˜์ƒ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ๋ถ€์ •์ ์ธ ๋‚ด์šฉ์ด ๋งŽ์ด ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ๋ถ€๋ชจ์˜€๋˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ
47:48
or if you've been an aunt and you've helped toย  take care of your sister's child or a grandmotherย ย 
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์ด๋‚˜ ์ด๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ๋˜์–ด ์—ฌ๋™์ƒ ์˜ ์•„์ด๋‚˜ ํ• ๋จธ๋‹ˆ๋ฅผ ๋Œ๋ณด๊ณ 
47:53
and taking care of other children, it's intangibleย  the reward, which, that's a great vocabulary word.ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ๋Œ๋ณด๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์„ ์ค€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌดํ˜•์˜ ๋ณด์ƒ, ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์–ดํœ˜๋„ค์š”.
48:02
Just as a little reminder, we will be talkingย  about some key vocabulary from this conversationย ย 
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๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ง€๋งŒ,
48:07
in a couple of weeks on my YouTube channel, soย  don't miss that video. Make sure you subscribeย ย 
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๋ช‡ ์ฃผ ํ›„์— ์ œ YouTube ์ฑ„๋„์—์„œ ์ด ๋Œ€ํ™”์˜ ํ•ต์‹ฌ ์–ดํœ˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ์˜ˆ์ •์ด๋‹ˆ ํ•ด๋‹น ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ๋†“์น˜์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”.
48:12
to the Speak English with Vanessa YouTubeย  channel so that you can get the vocabularyย ย 
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48:16
lesson coming in a few weeks about this lesson. All right, let's go to our next question. Ourย ย 
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์ด ์ˆ˜์—…์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ช‡ ์ฃผ ํ›„์— ๋‚˜์˜ฌ ์–ดํœ˜ ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ฐ›์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก Speak English with Vanessa YouTube ์ฑ„๋„์„ ๊ตฌ๋…ํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์œผ๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
48:22
next question also has to do with parenting andย  it's talking about competition. How do you handleย ย 
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๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ์œก์•„์™€๋„ ๊ด€๋ จ์ด ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
48:28
competition between siblings? First of all, let'sย  talk about what is competition between siblings.
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ํ˜•์ œ์ž๋งค ๊ฐ„์˜ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌํ•˜๋‚˜์š”? ๋จผ์ € ํ˜•์ œ์ž๋งค ๊ฐ„์˜ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ด ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
48:34
Dan: And these are bigย ย 
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48:34
questions. I don't know ifย  I'm ready for the surprise.
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ํฐ
์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋†€๋ž„ ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ๋˜์—ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
48:36
Vanessa: Alex, Vera and Claudio were not holdingย ย 
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Vanessa: Alex, Vera ๋ฐ Claudio๋Š”
48:39
back with their questions. Yeah, let's talk aboutย  what is competition first? What competition means.
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์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ์ฃผ์ €ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋„ค, ๋จผ์ € ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ด ๋ณผ๊นŒ์š”? ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์ด ์˜๋ฏธํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ.
48:44
Dan: Competitionย ย 
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Dan: ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์€
48:45
is where two people can'tย  win. Only one person can win.
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๋‘ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์ด๊ธธ ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š” ๊ณณ์ด์—์š” . ์˜ค์ง ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋งŒ์ด ์Šน๋ฆฌํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
48:51
Vanessa: Fighting, arguing.
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48:51
Dan: You're competing for the one prize, basically.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‹ธ์šฐ๊ณ , ๋…ผ์Ÿํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
Dan: ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ์ƒ์„ ๋†“๊ณ  ๊ฒฝ์Ÿํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
48:55
Vanessa: Which usually,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ
48:56
I think that prize in a familyย  is your parents' attention.ย 
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๊ฐ€์กฑ ์ค‘ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์˜ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
49:01
So there's only two of us, and sometimesย  there's only one of us at home. So thatย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‘ ๋ช…๋ฟ์ด๊ณ  ๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ์ง‘์— ํ•œ ๋ช…๋งŒ ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
49:06
competition is often, they're not thinking, Iย  want to be the one to get mom's attention theย ย 
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๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์ด ์žฆ์„์ˆ˜๋ก '๋‚˜๋Š” ์—„๋งˆ์˜ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋งŽ์ด ๋ฐ›๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค'๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
49:11
most. They're not really consciously thinkingย  that, but that's just by nature how it is,ย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์˜์‹์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ณธ์งˆ์ ์œผ๋กœ
49:17
that the limited resource is our attention. So siblings, that's brothers and sisters.ย ย 
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์ œํ•œ๋œ ์ž์›์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ํ˜•์ œ์ž๋งค, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ํ˜•์ œ์ž๋งค์ฃ .
49:23
Competition between siblings,ย  do we do anything about that?
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๋‚จ๋งค ๊ฐ„์˜ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
49:28
Dan: Yes,ย ย 
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
49:29
especially in the sense of our attention. I thinkย  we try to give each kid attention, especiallyย ย 
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ํŠนํžˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๋ฐ›๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ์˜๋ฏธ์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฐ ์–ด๋ฆฐ์ด์—๊ฒŒ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ์ฃผ๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ํŠนํžˆ
49:35
one-on-one attention. Although I've noticed thatย  with Freddy, our second one, he definitely criesย ย 
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์ผ๋Œ€์ผ๋กœ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๊ธฐ์šธ์ด๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜๋ผ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋Š” ํ™•์‹คํžˆ
49:42
out for attention a lot more. He does moreย  things to make you say, "What are you doing?"
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๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๋Œ๋ ค๊ณ  ์™ธ์นœ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ์•„์ฐจ๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด "๋ญํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์ผ์„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
49:48
Vanessa: Little naughty things sometimes.
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Vanessa: ๊ฐ€๋”์€ ์žฅ๋‚œ๊พธ๋Ÿฌ๊ธฐ ์ผ๋„ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
49:50
Dan: A lot moreย ย 
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49:50
naughty things and a lot more like, "Hey, lookย  at me, look at me, Daddy." Stuff like that. Soย ย 
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Dan: ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๋งŽ์€
์žฅ๋‚œ๊พธ๋Ÿฌ๊ธฐ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  "์•ผ, ๋‚˜๋ฅผ ๋ด, ๋‚˜๋ฅผ ๋ด, ์•„๋น ."์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๋งŽ์•„์š”. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
49:56
he is a lot more direct about it, I think. Andย  it's probably because he's the second child.
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์ง์ ‘์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋‘˜์งธ ์•„์ด์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ผ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
50:01
Vanessa: Yeah. Yeah. I mean,ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ์‘. ๋‚ด ๋ง์€,
50:02
you're the second child. You're theย  middle child. You're like Freddy.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‘˜์งธ ์•„์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ . ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ค‘๊ฐ„ ์•„์ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””์™€ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
50:06
Dan: Apparently, I was the quiet one though.
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Dan: ์•„๋ฌด๋ž˜๋„ ์ €๋Š” ์กฐ์šฉํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
50:07
Vanessa: Yeah?
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘?
50:08
Dan: Yeah. Easygoing. I was sneaky though.
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ํƒœํ‰ํ•˜๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜๋„ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ตํ™œํ–ˆ๋‹ค.
50:11
Vanessa: I think that'sย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋„
50:12
a cry for attention too. It's like doingย  little things to try to get away with it,ย ย 
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๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๋Œ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ์™ธ์นจ์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ ์ผ์„ ํšŒํ”ผํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ž‘์€ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
50:17
and just, I don't know. Did you ever feelย  like you lacked attention from your parents?
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹จ์ง€, ์ž˜ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์˜ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ๋ถ€์กฑํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋Š๋‚€ ์ ์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
50:22
Dan: Is this about my childhood now?
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Dan: ์ง€๊ธˆ ์ด๊ฒŒ ๋‚ด ์–ด๋ฆฐ์‹œ์ ˆ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”?
50:24
Vanessa: Yes. We're turning it on you.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์ผœ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
50:25
Dan: Yeah,ย ย 
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Dan: ๋„ค,
50:27
maybe a little bit. Because it was the, I was theย  easy child, and my brother was a little bit moreย ย 
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์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋žฌ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋‚˜๋Š” ์‰ฌ์šด ์•„์ด์˜€๊ณ , ๋‚ด ๋™์ƒ์€ ์ข€ ๋”
50:33
of the squeaky wheel is the expression we use. Theย  squeaky wheel gets the oil. Is that the saying?
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์‚๊ฑฑ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฐ”ํ€ด'๋ผ๋Š” ํ‘œํ˜„์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•œ๋‹ค. ์‚๊ฑฑ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฐ”ํ€ด์— ๊ธฐ๋ฆ„์ด ๋ฌป์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ๋ง์ด์š”?
50:40
Vanessa: Yep.
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50:40
Dan: So yeah,ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
Dan: ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ตฐ์š”.
50:41
he was a little more of aย  challenging kid than I was.
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ๋‚˜๋ณด๋‹ค ์ข€ ๋” ๋„์ „์ ์ธ ์•„์ด์˜€์–ด์š”.
50:45
Vanessa: So your parents' attention was on him?
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์˜ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ ์ ๋ ธ๋‚˜์š”?
50:46
Dan: At least from my parents' perspective. Yeah.
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Dan: ์ ์–ด๋„ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์˜ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ๋Š”์š”. ์‘.
50:48
Vanessa: Yeah. I mean that'sย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๋‚ด ๋ง์€
50:49
what I've heard, that they just put a lotย  of attention on him because he was eitherย ย 
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, ๊ทธ๊ฐ€
50:53
more difficult or they perceived him as moreย  difficult. And so it's not that you got ignored,ย ย 
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๋” ๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กญ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋” ์–ด๋ ต๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ธ์‹ํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ทธ์—๊ฒŒ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๊ธฐ์šธ์˜€๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ฌด์‹œ๋‹นํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ,
50:58
it's just that maybe they felt likeย  you didn't need that type of attention.
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋Š๊ผˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
51:02
Dan: Well, they just thought that I was like,ย ย 
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Dan: ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ '๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ'์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์„ ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
51:03
he's good. Look at him, he's happyย  he's doing his thing. Yeah. And inside,ย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์„ธ์š”. ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ž์‹ ์ด ํ•  ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์„œ ํ–‰๋ณตํ•ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚ด๋ถ€์ ์œผ๋กœ๋Š”
51:08
well, yeah, I maybe had some problemsย  down the road because, maybe.
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์Œ, ์˜ˆ, ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฒผ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
51:13
Vanessa: I think everyoneย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•œ ํ•œ
51:14
wants as much of their parents' attentionย  as possible, and I'm sure you did too.
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๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์˜ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ๋„ ๊ทธ๋žฌ์„ ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
51:18
Dan: Yeah.ย ย 
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51:18
I think Freddy is much moreย  direct than I was. He's pretty-
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๋Œ„: ์‘.
ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””๋Š” ๋‚˜๋ณด๋‹ค ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์ง์ ‘์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š” . ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ ์˜ˆ๋ป์š”-
51:22
Vanessa: But I thinkย ย 
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51:22
that's good. I want to know what he's thinking.
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Vanessa: ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—”
๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ข‹์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค.
51:25
Dan: He's very headstrong.ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ์•„์ฃผ ๊ณ ์ง‘์ด ์„ธ๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
51:26
He's more your sister than me. Herย  sister is the second child too.
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ๋‚˜๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ๋„ค ์—ฌ๋™์ƒ์ด์•ผ. ๊ทธ๋…€์˜ ์—ฌ๋™์ƒ๋„ ๋‘˜์งธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
51:31
Vanessa: Yeah. One that will tell you,ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ
51:33
"I want this and I want it now, and I'm not goingย  to stop until I get it." That kind of attitude.
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'๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ์›ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ง€๊ธˆ ์›ํ•˜๋ฉฐ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์–ป์„ ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€ ๋ฉˆ์ถ”์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ํƒœ๋„.
51:37
Dan: That's exactly what I want.
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๋Œ„: ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
51:38
Vanessa: Yes. But I thinkย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
51:42
that was one of my thoughts when we were decidingย  whether or not we wanted to have a third kid was,ย ย 
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์…‹์งธ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€์ง€ ์—ฌ๋ถ€๋ฅผ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•  ๋•Œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” '
51:47
will I be able to give enough attention toย  Freddy? Because it's kind of a stereotypeย ย 
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””์—๊ฒŒ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•œ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๊ธฐ์šธ์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ ?'์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด
51:52
that the middle child gets glossed over orย  forgotten, and I love Freddy. I don't wantย ย 
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๊ฐ€์šด๋ฐ ์•„์ด๋Š” ๋ฌด์‹œ๋˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์žŠํ˜€์ง„๋‹ค๋Š” ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๊ณ ์ •๊ด€๋…์ด๊ณ , ์ €๋Š” ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ด์š”. ๋‚˜๋Š”
51:59
him to be glossed over, but kind of byย  default, we spent years with only Theo-
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๊ฒ‰์œผ๋กœ ๋“œ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์›ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ…Œ์˜ค-๋Œ„๊ณผ๋งŒ ๋ช‡ ๋…„์„ ๋ณด๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
52:04
Dan: He won't let you not get attention.
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๋ฐ›์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋†”๋‘์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
52:06
Vanessa: ... And then I have a baby,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ... ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฒจ์„œ
52:07
so I have to spend time with her. And soย  what happens to the middle child? By default,ย ย 
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์•„๊ธฐ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด์•ผ ํ•ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ฐ€์šด๋ฐ ์•„์ด๋Š” ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋‚˜์š”? ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ
52:12
they get a little bit less attention theirย  whole lives. So I wanted to make sure thatย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ํ‰์ƒ ๋™์•ˆ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋œ ๋ฐ›์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š”
52:18
that was something that I could handle. Becauseย  yeah. I love Freddy. I don't want him to getย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ๋‹นํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์ธ์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ . ๋‚˜๋Š” ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•œ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฐ€
52:22
less attention, but I think he's ready to standย  up for himself. He's got a strong personality.
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๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๋œ ๋ฐ›๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์›ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ž์‹ ์„ ์˜นํ˜ธํ•  ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ฐ•ํ•œ ์„ฑ๊ฒฉ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
52:27
Dan: Yeah, he does. Whatย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์š”.
52:28
about competition with each other? Becauseย  that's how I would've initially taken the-
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์„œ๋กœ๊ฐ„์˜ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์€ ์–ด๋–ป์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์™œ๋ƒ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ฒ˜์Œ์— ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”-
52:32
Vanessa: Like fighting with each other maybe?
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Vanessa: ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์„œ๋กœ ์‹ธ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”?
52:33
Dan: Yeah. Or I mean,ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด
52:37
I have noticed that Freddy will say, "I canย  do this the best." And Theo will be like,ย ย 
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ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””๊ฐ€ "๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด ์ผ์„ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ž˜ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด Theo๋Š”
52:43
"No, I can do it better." So theyย  kind of have these little arguments.
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'์•„๋‹ˆ์š”, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋” ์ž˜ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์ž‘์€ ๋…ผ์Ÿ์„ ๋ฒŒ์ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
52:46
Vanessa: I think we try not to compareย ย 
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Vanessa: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค ์•ž์—์„œ ์„œ๋กœ ๋น„๊ตํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”
52:48
them with each other in front of them. Sometimesย  when we're talking with just each other, when theย ย 
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. ๊ฐ€๋” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ผ๋ฆฌ๋งŒ ์–˜๊ธฐํ•  ๋•Œ,
52:52
kids are asleep, we might say, "Is this okay?ย  Theo didn't do this and Freddy's doing this?"ย 
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์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ์ž๊ณ  ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ, "์ด๊ฑฐ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„? ํ…Œ์˜ค๋Š” ์ด๊ฑฐ ์•ˆ ํ•˜๊ณ  ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””๋Š” ์ด๊ฑฐ ํ•ด?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
52:56
We might talk amongst ourselves about that,ย  but I think it's really important to not say,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ผ๋ฆฌ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ,
53:02
"Theo does this. Freddy, you should do it too."ย  Or, "Freddy, Theo doesn't do that. Look at him."ย ย 
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"ํ…Œ์˜ค๊ฐ€ ์ด๊ฑธ ํ•ด. ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””, ๋„ˆ๋„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ด"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •๋ง ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜๋Š” "ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””, ํ…Œ์˜ค๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ง“ ์•ˆ ํ•ด. ์ € ์‚ฌ๋žŒ ์ข€ ๋ด."
53:07
That kind of comparison. It's better to keepย  it, I think more general, like, "Don't hit."ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋น„๊ต์ฃ . ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋” ๋‚ซ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . '๋•Œ๋ฆฌ์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”'์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋” ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
53:14
Instead of saying, "Theo doesn't hit, youย  shouldn't hit too." Just don't hit. Keepingย ย 
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"ํ…Œ์˜ค๋Š” ๋•Œ๋ฆฌ์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋‹ˆ ๋„ˆ๋„ ๋•Œ๋ ค์„œ๋Š” ์•ˆ ๋œ๋‹ค"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋Œ€์‹ . ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์น˜์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”.
53:19
it as a rule versus a comparison. Also, Iย  would highly recommend if you have multipleย ย 
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๋น„๊ต ๋Œ€์‹  ๊ทœ์น™์œผ๋กœ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ๋˜ํ•œ,
53:24
children or if you are a grandparent that hasย  multiple grandkids, there's a book called-
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์ž๋…€๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋ช…์ด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์†์ฃผ๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋ช…์ธ ์กฐ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋ผ๋ฉด
53:31
Dan: Siblings.
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Dan: Siblings๋ผ๋Š” ์ฑ…์„ ์ ๊ทน ์ถ”์ฒœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
53:33
Vanessa: Yes.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
53:34
Dan: Rivalry?
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๋Œ„: ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ?
53:35
Vanessa: There's aย ย 
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53:35
book. Siblings Without Rivalry is the older-
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
์ฑ…์ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ ์—†๋Š” ํ˜•์ œ์ž๋งค๊ฐ€ ๋” ๋‚˜์ด๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์•„์š”.
53:38
Dan: That's a different one.
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53:38
Vanessa: ... Older version.ย ย 
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Dan: ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ... ์ด์ „ ๋ฒ„์ „์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
53:39
It's Peaceful Parent, Happy Siblings. It tookย  me a moment to think of that. Peaceful parent,ย ย 
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ํ‰ํ™”๋กœ์šด ๋ถ€๋ชจ, ํ–‰๋ณตํ•œ ํ˜•์ œ์ž๋งค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ์ ์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ข€ ๊ฑธ๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ‰ํ™”๋กœ์šด ๋ถ€๋ชจ,
53:47
Happy Siblings. I'll put a picture of it rightย  here, on Dan's face. This book gives amazing tipsย ย 
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ํ–‰๋ณตํ•œ ํ˜•์ œ์ž๋งค. ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ Dan์˜ ์–ผ๊ตด์— ์‚ฌ์ง„์„ ์ฐ์„๊ฒŒ์š”. ์ด ์ฑ…์€ ํ˜•์ œ์ž๋งค ๊ฐ„์˜
53:54
about how to help there be less competitionย  between siblings and just have your kids getย ย 
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๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์„ ์ค„์ด๊ณ  ์ž๋…€๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ์ด์ข‹๊ฒŒ ์ง€๋‚ด๋„๋ก ๋•๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋†€๋ผ์šด ํŒ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
53:58
along. I think when I see you with your siblings,ย  as adults, you guys get along really well. It'sย ย 
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. ํ˜•์ œ์ž๋งค๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ชจ์Šต์„ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์–ด๋ฅธ์œผ๋กœ์„œ ์ •๋ง ์‚ฌ์ด๊ฐ€ ์ข‹์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
54:07
so nice that at Christmas when everyoneย  gets together. Some people dread going to-
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค๋งˆ์Šค์— ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๋ชจ์ด๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ข‹์•„์š” . ์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ํ•™๊ต์— ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‘๋ ค์›Œํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
54:13
Dan: Well, that's true.
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54:13
Vanessa: ... Family gatheringsย ย 
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Dan: ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด์—์š”.
Vanessa: ... ๊ฐ€์กฑ ๋ชจ์ž„์€
54:14
because they just fight with their siblingsย  or they just have a terrible relationshipย ย 
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ํ˜•์ œ์ž๋งค๋“ค๊ณผ ์‹ธ์šฐ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ด€๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—ย ย  ์‚ฌ์ด์ข‹๊ฒŒ
54:19
and I feel like you guys get along,ย  you play games, you enjoy chatting.
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์ง€๋‚ด๊ณ , ๊ฒŒ์ž„์„ ํ•˜๊ณ , ์ฑ„ํŒ…์„ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
54:23
Dan: Me and my brother can be a bit.
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๋Œ„: ๋‚˜์™€ ๋‚ด ๋™์ƒ์€ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
54:25
Vanessa: But-
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54:25
Dan: That's sadly,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ-
Dan: ์•ˆํƒ€๊น๊ฒŒ๋„,
54:26
I don't know. I think that's brother stuff.
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๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”. ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๊ทธ๊ฑด ํ˜•์ œ์˜ ์ผ์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„.
54:27
Vanessa: Yeah. I think compared to what it could be,ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋น„ํ•˜๋ฉด,
54:31
from my opinion as an outsider, I think thatย  you guys have what I would want my kids to have.
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์™ธ๋ถ€์ธ์ธ ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ œ ์•„์ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
54:37
Dan: We've mellowed out withย ย 
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Dan: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋„ ๋‚˜์ด๊ฐ€ ๋“ค๋ฉด์„œ ๋ถ€๋“œ๋Ÿฌ์›Œ์กŒ์–ด์š”
54:38
age too. There was definitely phases in me and myย  brother's life where it was pretty contentious.
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. ์ €์™€ ์ œ ๋™์ƒ์˜ ์‚ถ์—๋Š” ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๋…ผ์Ÿ์ด ๋งŽ์•˜๋˜ ์‹œ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
54:45
Vanessa: Yeah. What'd you guys do?
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๋„ˆํฌ๋“ค์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ–ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
54:47
Dan: We fought a lot in high school.
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๋Œ„: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ณ ๋“ฑํ•™๊ต ๋•Œ ๋งŽ์ด ์‹ธ์› ์–ด์š”.
54:49
Vanessa: Did you ever-
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”-
54:50
Dan: Middle school, high school.
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54:50
Vanessa: ... Physically hit each other?
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Dan: ์ค‘ํ•™๊ต, ๊ณ ๋“ฑํ•™๊ต.
Vanessa: ... ์„œ๋กœ ๋ฌผ๋ฆฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋•Œ๋ฆฌ๋‚˜์š”?
54:52
Dan: Yes.
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๋Œ„: ๋„ค.
54:53
Vanessa: I think that's probably normal.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์•„๋งˆ ์ •์ƒ์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„.
54:55
Dan: Yeah. I mean,ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ๋‚ด ๋ง์€,
54:57
Theo and Freddy do sometimes too, but not tooย  often. I think Theo is actually pretty good atย ย 
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ํ…Œ์˜ค์™€ ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””๋„ ๊ฐ€๋”์€ ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ž์ฃผ๋Š” ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์— Theo๋Š” ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ
55:05
recognizing that he's the older brother and notย  always being so serious about the competition.ย 
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์ž์‹ ์ด ํ˜•์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ๊ฝค ์ž˜ ์ธ์‹ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ง„์ง€ํ•˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
55:12
And then Freddy will even recognize,ย  "Well, someday when I'm bigger,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””๋Š” '๊ธ€์Ž„, ์–ธ์  ๊ฐ€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋” ํฌ๋ฉด
55:15
I'll get better at this." So they almostย  both have a little bit of recognition.
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์ด ์ผ์„ ๋” ์ž˜ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฑฐ์•ผ'๋ผ๊ณ  ์ธ์‹ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ์ธ์ง€๋„๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
55:19
Vanessa: But the other day whenย ย 
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์–ผ๋งˆ ์ „
55:21
Theo wasn't at home, he was at a friend's house,ย  and we were talking to Freddy and we're like,ย ย 
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ํ…Œ์˜ค๊ฐ€ ์ง‘์— ์—†์„ ๋•Œ ๊ทธ๋Š” ์นœ๊ตฌ ์ง‘์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””์™€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋ฉด์„œ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ง์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
55:25
"Oh, what would it be like if you were theย  oldest sibling, Freddy?" He got this look onย ย 
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"์˜ค, ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””, ๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ˜•์ด๋ผ๋ฉด ์–ด๋–จ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๋‚˜์š”? " ๊ทธ๋Š” '
55:30
his face like, I would be bigger than everyone. Iย  would get to do everything better than everyone.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ํด ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„'๋ผ๋Š” ํ‘œ์ •์„ ์ง€์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋ชจ๋“  ์ผ์„ ๋” ์ž˜ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
55:36
Dan: He loves this idea.
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๋Œ„: ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ์ด ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ด์š”.
55:37
Vanessa: Yeah. I think that it's just,ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ,
55:39
like I said, by default, the second kid and thirdย  are going to have kind of a complex almost thatย ย 
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด, ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋‘˜์งธ์™€ ์…‹์งธ๋Š” ์ข€ ์ฝคํ”Œ๋ ‰์Šค๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ, ๊ฑฐ์˜
55:45
they're not the biggest, but that's normal.ย  Humans have been dealing with this forever,ย ย 
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ํฌ์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ •์ƒ์ด์—์š”. ์ธ๊ฐ„์€ ์ด ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ์˜์›ํžˆ ๋‹ค๋ฃจ์–ด ์™”๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—,
55:49
so it's not dooming them. But it's justย  going to be part of their personality.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ๋ฉธ๋ง์‹œํ‚ค์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹จ์ง€ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ์„ฑ๊ฒฉ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€์ผ ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
55:53
Dan: I think a big picture with our kids,ย ย 
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Dan: ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํฐ ๊ทธ๋ฆผ์„ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
55:57
it seems like maybe we're a little bit fortunateย  that they're not gung-ho, crazy, competitive-
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์—ด์„ฑ์ ์ด๊ณ , ๋ฏธ์นœ, ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์ ์ด์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋‹คํ–‰์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
56:03
Dan: ... gung-ho, crazy competitive.ย ย 
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Dan: ... ์—ด๊ด‘, ๋ฏธ์นœ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์‹ฌ.
56:04
I think some kids can be a lotย  more, and they're not, especially.
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์–ด๋–ค ์•„์ด๋“ค์€ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์ผ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ , ํŠนํžˆ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
56:08
Vanessa: At least at this point.
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Vanessa: ์ ์–ด๋„ ์ด ์‹œ์ ์—์„œ๋Š”์š”.
56:09
Dan: Yes.
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56:09
Vanessa: I wonder ifย ย 
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๋Œ„: ๋„ค.
Vanessa: ์•„์ง
56:10
there's a developmental stage that, well,ย  there's lots of stages we haven't gottenย ย 
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๋„๋‹ฌํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ ๋ฐœ๋‹ฌ ๋‹จ๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
56:13
to yet. Our oldest is only six, thatย  maybe they'll become more competitive.
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. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํฐ ์•„์ด๋Š” ์ด์ œ ๊ฒจ์šฐ ์—ฌ์„ฏ ์‚ด์ธ๋ฐ, ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋” ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ๋ ฅ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
56:18
Dan: Yeah.ย ย 
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56:18
Or they're just not touchy about it in the sameย  way. Freddy will say, "I'm the best digger in theย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘.
์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๊ฐ™์€ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ฏผ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””๋Š” "๋‚˜๋Š” ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์ฑ„๊ตด์ž์ด๊ณ , ๊ทธ
56:24
world and I'm doing it the best, and I'm numberย  one." And Theo will be kind of like, "Okay."
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์ผ์„ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ž˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, 1์œ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค ."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ํ…Œ์˜ค๋Š” "์•Œ์•˜์–ด"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
56:29
Vanessa: "Okay." Heย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: "์•Œ์•˜์–ด." ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€
56:30
knows you're not really, you're justย  saying that because you're three.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‹จ์ง€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์„ธ ์‚ด์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
56:33
Dan: See, I'll show you later.
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Dan: ๋ณด์„ธ์š”, ๋‚˜์ค‘์— ๋ณด์—ฌ๋“œ๋ฆด๊ฒŒ์š”.
56:34
Vanessa: Yeah,ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘,
56:35
yeah. I think that's good. That's good. And havingย  a good foundation for their friendship. I mean,ย ย 
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์‘. ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ข‹์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„. ์ข‹์•„์š”. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ์ •์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ข‹์€ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜์„ ๊ฐ–์ถ”๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚ด ๋ง์€,
56:39
that's the goal. We want our kidsย  to be friends when they get older,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ํฌ๋ฉด ์นœ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์›ํ•˜๋ฉฐ,
56:42
and now too. All right, let's go toย  our next question. This one pivots aย ย 
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์ง€๊ธˆ๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์œผ๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹จ์ง€
56:49
little bit from just talking about multipleย  children. This question is a little deeper.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ž๋…€์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์—์„œ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ์ „ํ™˜์„ ์ด๋ฃฌ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ๊นŠ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
56:55
Dan: Oh boy.
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๋Œ„: ์•„ ์ด๋Ÿฐ.
56:56
Vanessa: The challengeย ย 
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Vanessa:
56:57
of raising or parenting children atย  a time when technology ends up takingย ย 
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๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ด ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ
57:02
over a parent's role. Are tech devices dumbingย  down our children and what do we currently do?
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๋ถ€๋ชจ์˜ ์—ญํ• ์„ ๋Œ€์‹ ํ•˜๋Š” ์‹œ๋Œ€์— ์ž๋…€๋ฅผ ํ‚ค์šฐ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์–‘์œกํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์–ด๋ ค์šด ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธฐ์ˆ  ๊ธฐ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ๋ฐ”๋ณด๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”? ํ˜„์žฌ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
57:09
Dan: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes.
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๋Œ„: ์‘, ์‘, ์‘, ์‘, ์‘, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‘.
57:11
Vanessa: What do we currently doย ย 
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Vanessa: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ˜„์žฌ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•˜๊ณ 
57:13
and what do we plan to do as they get older?ย  So I think the essence of this question is-
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์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐย ย ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋‚˜์ด๊ฐ€ ๋“ค๋ฉด ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•  ๊ณ„ํš์ธ๊ฐ€์š”? ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ์ด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์˜ ํ•ต์‹ฌ์€-
57:17
Dan: Wow, that's a great question.
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Dan: ์™€, ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด๋„ค์š”.
57:18
Vanessa: ... how areย ย 
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Vanessa: ...
57:20
screens and tech, I think by tech they meanย  screens, affecting children in general? Andย ย 
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ํ™”๋ฉด๊ณผ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์€ ์–ด๋–ค๊ฐ€์š”? ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ด๋ž€ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์–ด๋ฆฐ์ด์—๊ฒŒ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น˜๋Š” ํ™”๋ฉด์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ์š”? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
57:27
then how are we approaching that in ourย  family? Which, that's a big question.
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ ‘๊ทผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š” ? ๊ทธ๊ฑด ํฐ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
57:32
Dan: Yeah. I think that's like-
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”-
57:34
Vanessa: That's something I feel very passionateย ย 
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งค์šฐ ์—ด์ •์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋Š๋ผ๋Š” ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด์—์š”
57:35
about. So I think this was Alex's question.ย  Thank you, Alex, for this great question.
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. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด Alex์˜ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด Alex์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
57:38
Dan: Yeah. I mean,ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”
57:40
I think screens have the potential toย  absolutely ruin people, families, children.
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ํ™”๋ฉด์ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ, ๊ฐ€์กฑ, ์–ด๋ฆฐ์ด๋ฅผ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋ง์น  ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
57:46
Vanessa: Adults too.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์–ด๋ฅธ๋“ค๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€์˜ˆ์š”.
57:48
Dan: Adults.
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57:48
Vanessa: Yeah.
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๋Œ„: ์–ด๋ฅธ์ด์š”.
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
57:49
Dan: Yeah.
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57:49
Vanessa: But children are just,ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘.
Vanessa: ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์•„์ด๋“ค์€ ๋‹จ์ง€,
57:51
they don't know what they're getting into. Soย  adults at least have control over their lives.
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์ž์‹ ๋“ค์ด ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์ ์–ด๋„ ์–ด๋ฅธ๋“ค์€ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์‚ถ์„ ํ†ต์ œํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
57:56
Dan: Starting them young is not probably the best idea.
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Dan: ์–ด๋ฆด ๋•Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์ตœ์„ ์˜ ์ƒ๊ฐ์€ ์•„๋‹ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
57:59
Vanessa: Yeah.
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57:59
Dan: And I don't thinkย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
Dan: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—”
58:00
people appreciate the addictive qualities of theseย ย 
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์˜ ์ค‘๋…์„ฑ์„ ๋†’์ด ํ‰๊ฐ€ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”
58:03
things. People design these to hook youย  in so you'll use them for hours and hours.
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. ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๊ฐ€ ๋ช‡ ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์žฅ์น˜๋ฅผ ์„ค๊ณ„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
58:10
Vanessa: Yeah.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
58:11
Dan: Yeah,ย ย 
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Dan: ๋„ค,
58:13
for us, I mean, our kids, they do watch stuffย  on TV, but it's just for a little bit of time.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค์€ TV์—์„œ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์•„์ฃผ ์ž ๊น์ผ ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
58:19
Vanessa: Yeah, it was-
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Vanessa: ์‘, ๊ทธ๋žฌ์ง€-
58:20
Dan: And then they just have to go outside or play.
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ๋ฐ–์— ๋‚˜๊ฐ€๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋†€๊ธฐ๋งŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ผ.
58:22
Vanessa: Yeah, so usually-
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58:22
Dan: And then theyย ย 
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Vanessa: ์‘, ๋ณดํ†ต์€-
Dan: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€
58:23
don't have iPods. No computers,ย  no phones, nothing like that.
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iPod๋„ ์—†์–ด. ์ปดํ“จํ„ฐ๋„ ์—†๊ณ , ์ „ํ™”๋„ ์—†๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
58:25
Vanessa: iPods?
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58:25
Dan: iPads, iPads.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•„์ดํŒŸ?
๋Œ„: ์•„์ดํŒจ๋“œ, ์•„์ดํŒจ๋“œ์š”.
58:27
Vanessa: iPods back in the '2000s.
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Vanessa: iPod์€ 2000๋…„๋Œ€๋กœ ๊ฑฐ์Šฌ๋Ÿฌ ์˜ฌ๋ผ๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
58:30
Dan: This is the future.
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58:30
Vanessa: Hey, we used to have iPods back in the day.
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๋Œ„: ์ด๊ฒŒ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์˜ˆ์š”.
Vanessa: ์•ผ, ์˜›๋‚ ์—” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋„ iPod์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์ง€.
58:33
Dan: I've got iPods.
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58:33
Vanessa: Yeah, I think that twoย ย 
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๋Œ„: ๋‚˜์—๊ฒ ์•„์ดํŒŸ์ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
Vanessa: ๋„ค, ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€
58:35
decisions that we decided to make as a familyย  about tech so far. So our kid, our oldest is-
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์œผ๋กœ์„œ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•œ ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๊ฒฐ์ •์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ์•„์ด๋Š”-
58:39
Dan: And they're young, so it's a little easier.
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์–ด๋ ค์„œ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ์‰ฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
58:41
Vanessa: Yeah. Our oldest isย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ์•„์ด๋Š”
58:42
only six. I mean, some people would say it'sย  harder because it acts as a free babysitter.
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๊ณ ์ž‘ ์—ฌ์„ฏ ์‚ด์ด์—์š”. ๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋ฌด๋ฃŒ ๋ฒ ์ด๋น„์‹œํ„ฐ ์—ญํ• ์„ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋” ์–ด๋ ต๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
58:46
Dan: They don't haveย ย 
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Dan:
58:47
the friends yet being like, "Get thisย  thing. Come play this video game."
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์•„์ง์€ "์ด๊ฑฐ ์‚ฌ์„ธ์š” . ์™€์„œ ์ด ๋น„๋””์˜ค ๊ฒŒ์ž„ํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š”"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ์นœ๊ตฌ๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
58:50
Vanessa: Yeah, but what I meanย ย 
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Vanessa: ์‘, ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚ด ๋ง์€
58:51
is people will give their kid a tablet andย  it makes the parent have an easier time.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์•„์ด์—๊ฒŒ ํƒœ๋ธ”๋ฆฟ์„ ์ฃผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ๋” ์‰ฝ๊ฒŒ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋‚ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์ค€๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์•ผ.
58:57
Dan: Oh, well,ย ย 
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Dan: ์•„, ๋ญ,
58:58
that's true. The TV is really nice whenever youย  need a break, that is a very true statement.
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด์—์š”. ํœด์‹์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•  ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค TV๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ •๋ง ๋งž๋Š” ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
59:03
Vanessa: So the two thingsย ย 
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
59:04
that we decided to do as a family withย  tech is one, we don't own any tablets,ย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์œผ๋กœ์„œ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•œ ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ผ์€ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํƒœ๋ธ”๋ฆฟ์„ ์†Œ์œ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ
59:11
but to not give our children a phone or aย  tablet, so something personal. And instead,ย ย 
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์ž๋…€์—๊ฒŒ ํœด๋Œ€์ „ํ™”๋‚˜ ํƒœ๋ธ”๋ฆฟ์„ ์ฃผ์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋Œ€์‹ ,
59:17
when we watch something, we watch it on the TV. Soย  it's kind of a community experience. Even if I'mย ย 
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๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ณผ ๋•Œ TV์—์„œ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆํ‹ฐ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ธ ๊ฑฐ์ฃ . ๋‚ด๊ฐ€
59:22
not watching it, if I'm making lunch and they'reย  watching it, it's not this type of thing. Instead,ย ย 
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์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋”๋ผ๋„ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ ์‹ฌ์„ ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์‹œ์ฒญํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋Œ€์‹ 
59:30
they're watching together and it's a littleย  bit more of a public experience. And I'm sureย ย 
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ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด ์ข€ ๋” ๊ณต๊ฐœ์ ์ธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์— ๊ฐ€๊น์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š”
59:35
this will change over time as they get older. But that was kind of one of our goals becauseย ย 
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ง€๋‚˜๋ฉด์„œ ๋‚˜์ด๊ฐ€ ๋“ค๋ฉด์„œ ๋ณ€ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๋ชฉํ‘œ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
59:40
in our relationship, we lived for a long timeย  without a TV in our house. And when we movedย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ด€๊ณ„์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ง‘์— TV ์—†์ด ์˜ค๋žซ๋™์•ˆ ์‚ด์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
59:45
to this house, we had to kind of decide how toย  use it. And especially with children, that'sย ย 
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์ด ์ง‘์œผ๋กœ ์ด์‚ฌํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ• ์ง€ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•ด์•ผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ํŠนํžˆ ์–ด๋ฆฐ์ด์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด๋Š”
59:51
tricky. So we decided no personal device, justย  the TV. And the second one was have a set time,ย ย 
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๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กญ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฐœ์ธ์šฉ ๊ธฐ๊ธฐ๋Š” ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  TV๋งŒ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์ •ํ•˜๊ณ ,
60:02
and also time of day when they watch something. Soย  this has worked well for us. Our kids are small,ย ย 
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๋ฌด์—‡์ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„๋„ ์ •ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ด๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ํฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค์€ ์–ด๋ ค์„œ
60:08
I'm sure if you have a 12-year-oldย  you're saying, "Oh, you have it so easy."
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12์‚ด์งœ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด '์•„, ์ฐธ ์‰ฝ๊ตฌ๋‚˜'๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜์‹ค ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
60:12
Dan: Well, thisย ย 
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Dan: ์Œ, ์ด๊ฑด
60:13
works a lot better if you start them young.
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์–ด๋ฆด ๋•Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋ฉด ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ํšจ๊ณผ์ ์ด์—์š”.
60:15
Vanessa: Yeah.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
60:16
Dan: It's much easier to say, "Hey, this is whatย ย 
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Dan: "์•ผ, ์ด๊ฒŒ
60:18
we do," than, "Hey, you watched all this TV, let'sย  take it away." That's not going to work so well.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์ด์•ผ"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด "์•ผ, ์ด TV ๋‹ค ๋ดค์ž–์•„, ์น˜์›Œ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ž "๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ›จ์”ฌ ์‰ฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ์ž˜ ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
60:23
Vanessa: Yeah, it's harder to go back and change.
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Vanessa: ์‘, ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€์„œ ๋ฐ”๊พธ๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ๋” ํž˜๋“ค์–ด.
60:24
Dan: Or here's a tablet.ย ย 
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Dan: ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ํƒœ๋ธ”๋ฆฟ์ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
60:25
Nevermind, you can't have a tablet.
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์‹ ๊ฒฝ ์“ฐ์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”. ํƒœ๋ธ”๋ฆฟ์„ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
60:27
Vanessa: Yeah.
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60:27
Dan: That's not going toย ย 
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60:27
work so well, or it's notย  going to be fun for a while.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
Dan: ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ž˜ ์•ˆ ๋  ๊ฑฐ๊ณ 
, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ํ•œ๋™์•ˆ์€ ์žฌ๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์—†์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
60:30
Vanessa: Yeah, so what weย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
60:31
have done for our kids is there's a specific timeย  of day, usually it's before lunch or after lunch,ย ย 
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์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ค‘ ํŠน์ •ํ•œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์ •ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋ณดํ†ต ์ ์‹ฌ ์ „์ด๋‚˜ ์ ์‹ฌ ํ›„,
60:37
around this time. Before maybe a couple monthsย  ago, Freddy started to care, but Freddy didn'tย ย 
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์ด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ฏค์ด์ฃ . ๋ช‡ ๋‹ฌ ์ „๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””๋Š” ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””๋Š”
60:45
really care about watching something. He wasย  too young, two years old. He didn't reallyย ย 
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๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋ณ„๋กœ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๋‘์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Š” ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์–ด๋ ค์„œ ๋‘ ์‚ด์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Š” ๋ณ„๋กœ
60:50
care. But Theo would choose one program, andย  this was something that we thought was okay.ย ย 
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์‹ ๊ฒฝ์“ฐ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ Theo๋Š” ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์„ ์„ ํƒํ–ˆ๊ณ  ์ด๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
60:54
So I think the quality of what they're watching isย  important. And obviously that's very subjective,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์‹œ์ฒญ์ž๋“ค์ด ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๋Š” ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ ์˜ ํ’ˆ์งˆ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์ฃผ๊ด€์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
61:01
what you consider quality. But we had a couple ofย  shows that we thought were okay, and Theo couldย ย 
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ํ’ˆ์งˆ์„ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์ด ๋ช‡ ๊ฐœ ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ  Theo๋Š”
61:08
choose one show, like 30 minutes. He could chooseย  which one he wanted to watch. And when that showย ย 
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30๋ถ„ ์ •๋„์˜ ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋ฅผ ์„ ํƒํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Š” ๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์„ ํƒํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์‡ผ๊ฐ€
61:14
is finished, it's done. That's it. So he watchedย  something for 30 minutes. And now that Freddy isย ย 
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๋๋‚˜๋ฉด ๋์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค์•ผ. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋Š” 30๋ถ„ ๋™์•ˆ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ฒญํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด์ œ ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””
61:19
also a little bit older and he's wanting toย  choose something himself, they each chooseย ย 
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๋„ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋‚˜์ด๊ฐ€ ๋“ค์–ด์„œ ์Šค์Šค๋กœ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์„ ํƒํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ฐ์ž ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์„ ํƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
61:24
something. And so they watch for one hour mostย  days, I would say. In the summer, it's every day.
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. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ๋‚  ํ•œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฌ๋ฆ„์—๋Š” ๋งค์ผ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ .
61:30
Dan: But not during the school year.
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Dan: ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํ•™๋…„ ์ค‘์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”.
61:31
Vanessa: During the school year,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ํ•™๋…„ ์ค‘์—๋Š”
61:32
they don't watch anything except on the weekends.ย  But I feel like this specific time of day and aย ย 
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์ฃผ๋ง ์™ธ์—๋Š” ์•„๋ฌด๊ฒƒ๋„ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ์ด ํŠน์ • ์‹œ๊ฐ„๊ณผ
61:41
specific length, it's not just five minute YouTubeย  videos and then it keeps going and keeps going,ย ย 
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ํŠน์ • ๊ธธ์ด๊ฐ€ ๋‹จ์ง€ 5๋ถ„์งœ๋ฆฌ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ๊ณ„์† ์ง„ํ–‰๋˜๊ณ ,
61:46
and then it's hard to stop that flow. I think asย  adults it's hard to stop that when you're watchingย ย 
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๊ทธ ํ๋ฆ„์„ ๋ฉˆ์ถ”๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋ ต๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋Š๋‚๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์–ด๋ฅธ์œผ๋กœ์„œ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ๊ฐ€, ํŠนํžˆ ์งง์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•  ๋•Œ ๊ทธ ์žฅ๋ฉด์„ ๋ฉˆ์ถ”๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋ ค์šธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
61:52
something, especially something short. There'sย  no definitive end. But for our kids, that hasย ย 
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. ํ™•์‹คํ•œ ๋์€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ
61:58
worked so well. There's times of course when weย  turn it off and they're cranky or they're fussy,ย ย 
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์•„์ฃผ ์ž˜ ๋จนํ˜”์–ด์š”. ๋ฌผ๋ก  ์ „์›์„ ๋„๋ฉด ์งœ์ฆ์ด ๋‚˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กœ์›Œ์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๋„
62:04
but overall, this has worked so well. And theย  truth is, it is harder as parents because weย ย 
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์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งค์šฐ ์ž˜ ์ž‘๋™ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‚ฌ์‹ค์€ ํ•˜๋ฃจ
62:10
don't use the TV as a babysitter for four hoursย  a day. They're not watching even two hours a day.ย 
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4์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ TV๋ฅผ ๋ฒ ์ด๋น„์‹œํ„ฐ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋กœ์„œ ๋” ํž˜๋“  ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ํ•˜๋ฃจ์— ๋‘ ์‹œ๊ฐ„๋„ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
62:20
I think at least the science as of now, 2023,ย  says that one hour of TV per day for childrenย ย 
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์ ์–ด๋„ 2023๋…„ ํ˜„์žฌ ๊ณผํ•™์—์„œ๋Š” 2์„ธ ์ด์ƒ์˜ ์–ด๋ฆฐ์ด๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋ฃจ์— 1์‹œ๊ฐ„์”ฉ TV๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด
62:29
over the age of two is fine. There's not negativeย  consequences. Obviously, if they're watching, Iย ย 
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์ข‹๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ถ€์ •์ ์ธ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ, ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
62:35
don't know, a horror movie, it's not a good idea,ย  but something appropriate for children, that's theย ย 
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๊ณตํฌ ์˜ํ™”๋Š” ์ข‹์€ ์ƒ๊ฐ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์•„์ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ ํ•ฉํ•œ ๊ฒƒ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด
62:43
guidelines. And for me, that kind of relieved meย  of some guilt because I was like, "My kids aren'tย ย 
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์ง€์นจ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” "๋‚ด ์•„์ด๋“ค์€
62:51
going to watch TV, they're not going to watchย  screens." Blah, blah, blah. And then I saw that,ย ย 
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TV๋„ ์•ˆ ๋ณด๊ณ , ์Šคํฌ๋ฆฐ๋„ ๋ณด์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฑฐ์•ผ ."๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ฃ„์ฑ…๊ฐ์ด ์–ด๋Š ์ •๋„ ํ•ด์†Œ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ใ…‹ ใ…‹ ใ…‹ ใ…‹ ใ…‹ ใ…‹. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ๋ดค๊ณ , ๋‘ ์‚ด ์ด์ƒ
62:55
and I feel like I can trust that one hour, limitedย  time over the age of two. So under the age of two,ย ย 
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๊ทธ ํ•œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„, ์ œํ•œ๋œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ฏฟ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋Š๋‚Œ์ด ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ 2์„ธ ๋ฏธ๋งŒ์˜
63:03
no screens are good for kids. But this kind ofย  idea that this is okay can kind of relieve youย ย 
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์–ด๋ฆฐ์ด์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ํ™”๋ฉด์ด ์ ํ•ฉํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ƒ๊ฐ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์•ˆ์‹ฌ์‹œํ‚ฌ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
63:14
if you're the kind of parent, I think especiallyย  moms suffer from this, who would feel guilty aboutย ย 
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. ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋ผ๋ฉด ํŠนํžˆ ์—„๋งˆ๋“ค์ด ์ด๊ฒƒ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ณ ํ†ต์„ ๊ฒช์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์ด์—๊ฒŒ TV๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๋„๋ก ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ฃ„์ฑ…๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๋‚„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
63:21
making a decision about letting your kid watchย  TV or whatever it might be, something that-
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, ๋ญ”๊ฐ€-
63:25
Dan: I think most parents let their kids watch TV.
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Dan: ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋“ค์ด ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด TV๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋„๋ก ํ—ˆ๋ฝํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
63:27
Vanessa: Yes, but I think a lot of people feel guiltyย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋„ค, ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ฃ„์ฑ…๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”
63:29
about it. They probably do it, but they mightย  feel guilty. So I think this kind of relievedย ย 
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. ์•„๋งˆ ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ฃ„์ฑ…๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๋‚„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด ์ผ๋กœ ์ฃ„์ฑ…๊ฐ์ด ์ข€ ํ•ด์†Œ๋œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”
63:33
me of some guilt. Anyway, that's what we do.ย  What about the future? Because part of this is-
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. ์–ด์จŒ๋“ , ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์ด์—์š”. ๋ฏธ๋ž˜๋Š” ์–ด๋–ป์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ด๊ฒƒ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š”-
63:38
Dan: Well, yeah, the elephant in the room is phones.
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Dan: ์Œ, ์˜ˆ, ๋ฐฉ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์ฝ”๋ผ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ „ํ™”๊ธฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
63:40
Vanessa: What do we plan toย ย 
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Vanessa: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•  ๊ณ„ํš์ธ๊ฐ€์š”
63:41
do? Yeah. What do we plan to do as they get older?ย  And the plan might be different from the reality.
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? ์‘. ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋‚˜์ด๊ฐ€ ๋“ค๋ฉด ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•  ๊ณ„ํš์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ณ„ํš์€ ํ˜„์‹ค๊ณผ ๋‹ค๋ฅผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
63:46
Dan: Well, yeah.
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๋Œ„: ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”.
63:47
Vanessa: But do we have a plan?
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ณ„ํš์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
63:48
Dan: I mean, we don't have aย ย 
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63:48
solid plan yet because we're not sure.
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Dan: ๋‚ด ๋ง์€,
ํ™•์‹คํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์•„์ง ํ™•์‹คํ•œ ๊ณ„ํš์ด ์—†๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
63:52
Vanessa: Yeah.
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63:52
Dan: I have seen these phones that are, they'reย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
Dan: ์ €๋Š” ์ด ์ „ํ™”๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ,
63:54
kind of like safe phones for kids and they canย  chat. But I guess even chatting can be dangerous.
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์•„์ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์•ˆ์ „ํ•œ ์ „ํ™”๊ธฐ ๊ฐ™๊ณ  ์ฑ„ํŒ…๋„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ฑ„ํŒ…์กฐ์ฐจ ์œ„ํ—˜ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
63:59
Vanessa: Yeah. Like text their friends kind of thing?
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ์นœ๊ตฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌธ์ž๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋‚ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€๊ฐ€์š”?
64:02
Dan: And it'sย ย 
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
64:03
got a lot of parental controls on it. Soย  that would be one option. But I probablyย ย 
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์ž๋…€ ๋ณดํ˜ธ ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ์˜ต์…˜์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์•„๋งˆ
64:07
wouldn't even give them any phone untilย  they're in their, I don't know, mid-
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด 30๋Œ€ ์ค‘๋ฐ˜์ด ๋  ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€ ์ „ํ™”๋„ ์ฃผ์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
64:13
Vanessa: Thirties?
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Vanessa: 30๋Œ€?
64:14
Dan: I was going to say mid-teens.
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Dan: 10๋Œ€ ์ค‘๋ฐ˜์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
64:15
Vanessa: Yeah.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
64:16
Dan:ย 
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๋Œ„:
64:17
I don't know. I don't see anyย  reason why they would need one.
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๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”. ์™œ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ์ง€ ์ „ํ˜€ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
64:20
Vanessa: Yeah. Iย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ์ œ
64:21
think the trickiness comes when their peers-
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์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กœ์›€์€
64:22
Dan: Their peersย ย 
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๋™๋ฃŒ๋“ค์ด
64:23
are going to be pressuring them for sure.
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ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์••๋ฐ•์„ ๊ฐ€ํ•  ๋•Œ ์˜ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
64:24
Vanessa: ... have phones.ย ย 
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Vanessa: ... ์ „ํ™”๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
64:25
And then yeah, they come home and say,ย  "Mom, you're the worst mom ever. I don'tย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์ง‘์— ์™€์„œ๋Š” "์—„๋งˆ, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ตœ์•…์˜ ์—„๋งˆ์˜ˆ์š”. ๋‚˜ํ•œํ…Œ
64:29
have a phone. I hate you." Blah, blah, blah.ย  And that continues forever. That's tricky.
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์ „ํ™”๊ธฐ๋„ ์—†์–ด์š”. ์—„๋งˆ๊ฐ€ ์‹ซ์–ด์š”."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”. ใ…‹ ใ…‹ ใ…‹ ใ…‹ ใ…‹ ใ…‹. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์˜์›ํžˆ ๊ณ„์†๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๊นŒ๋‹ค ๋กญ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
64:34
Dan: I don't think they'll necessarily say that.
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Dan: ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ผญ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์•„์š”.
64:38
Vanessa: Mark my words, it will be hard.
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Vanessa: ๋‚ด ๋ง์„ ๋ช…์‹ฌํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ์–ด๋ ค์šธ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
64:41
Dan: I was homeschooledย ย 
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Dan: ์ €๋Š” ํ™ˆ์Šค์ฟจ๋ง์„ ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
64:42
and I never said that to my parents.
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๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜ํ•œํ…Œ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋ง์„ ํ•œ ์ ์ด ์—†์–ด์š”.
64:43
Vanessa: Well, did you have peersย ย 
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Vanessa: ์Œ, ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๋™๋ฃŒ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”
64:45
though? Were you at a school where you had lots ofย  peers? I think you were really removed from that.
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? ๋˜๋ž˜๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์€ ํ•™๊ต์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‚˜์š” ? ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ •๋ง๋กœ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์—์„œ ์ œ๊ฑฐ๋˜์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
64:49
Dan: Oh, well, later on, yeah.
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Dan: ์•„, ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๋‚˜์ค‘์—์š”. ์˜ˆ.
64:50
Vanessa: And we were growingย ย 
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
64:51
up in the '90s. That's very different.ย  My family didn't have a phone until-
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90๋…„๋Œ€์— ์„ฑ์žฅํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์€ ๊ทธ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€ ํœด๋Œ€ํฐ์ด ์—†์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
64:57
Dan: I got pretty angsty about video games.
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Dan: ์ €๋Š” ๋น„๋””์˜ค ๊ฒŒ์ž„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฝค ๋ถˆ์•ˆํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
64:59
Vanessa: There's always something to get angsty about.
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Vanessa: ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋ถˆ์•ˆํ•ด์ง€๋Š” ์ผ์ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
65:00
Dan: It's like, "Why can't you buyย ย 
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Dan: ๋งˆ์น˜ "์—„๋งˆ, ์™œ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ Nintendo 64๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์ฃผ์‹œ๋ฉด ์•ˆ ๋˜๋‚˜์š”
65:01
me a Nintendo 64, mom?"
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?"
65:03
Vanessa: Yeah. Iย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๋‚ด
65:05
think teenagers are going to be tricky noย  matter what. That's just the way it goes.ย ย 
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์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ์‹ญ๋Œ€๋“ค์€ ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์žˆ์–ด๋„ ๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กœ์šธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ทธ ๋ฐฉ์‹์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
65:09
I say this as someone who has no teens at theย  moment, but I feel like as parents, we have aย ย 
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ํ˜„์žฌ ์‹ญ๋Œ€ ์ž๋…€๊ฐ€ ์—†๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์œผ๋กœ์„œ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ง€๋งŒ , ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋กœ์„œ
65:15
responsibility to deliver our children safelyย  into adulthood. That's the goal of parenting.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ž๋…€๋ฅผ ์„ฑ์ธ์ด ๋  ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€ ์•ˆ์ „ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ธ๋„ํ•  ์ฑ…์ž„์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์œก์•„์˜ ๋ชฉํ‘œ์ด๋‹ค.
65:24
Dan: Safely and not being a drain on society.
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Dan: ์•ˆ์ „ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‚ฌํšŒ์— ์ง€์žฅ์„ ์ฃผ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
65:27
Vanessa: I think that's part of that.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ ์ผ๋ถ€์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
65:28
Dan: Being a productive member.
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Dan: ์ƒ์‚ฐ์ ์ธ ๊ตฌ์„ฑ์›์ด ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
65:29
Vanessa: Yeah. So part of technology is not just,ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ๋‹จ์ˆœํžˆ
65:34
oh, I don't want you looking at a screen,ย  but there are things about being addicted toย ย 
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ํ™”๋ฉด์„ ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์›ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์— ์ค‘๋…๋˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
65:39
technology or chatting with a stranger online thatย  are extremely dangerous. And yes, there will be,ย ย 
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์˜จ๋ผ์ธ์—์„œ ๋‚ฏ์„  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ์ฑ„ํŒ…ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์—๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ์œ„ํ—˜ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
65:49
I'm sure, a lot of tension about why can't I useย  these apps? Why can't I use this social media?
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์™œ ์ด ์•ฑ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š”์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งŽ์€ ๊ธด์žฅ๊ฐ์ด ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ ์ด ์†Œ์…œ ๋ฏธ๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋‚˜์š”?
65:55
Dan: Video games.
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65:55
Vanessa: Why can't I playย ย 
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๋Œ„: ๋น„๋””์˜ค ๊ฒŒ์ž„์ด์š”.
Vanessa: ์™œ
65:56
video games all day? My friends do this. I'mย  sure there will be a lot of tension with ourย ย 
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ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ข…์ผ ๋น„๋””์˜ค ๊ฒŒ์ž„์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋‚˜์š”? ๋‚ด ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค์€ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์š”. ๊ทธ ์ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค์€ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ธด์žฅ๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๋‚„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
66:00
kids about that. That's inevitable. But I doย  think that it's a tricky decision to figureย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ถˆ๊ฐ€ํ”ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํ•œ๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ํŒŒ์•…ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กœ์šด ๊ฒฐ์ •์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
66:06
out what's the line. But my goal is to make sureย  that our kids are safe, not just physically safe,ย ย 
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. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ์œก์ฒด์ ์œผ๋กœ ์•ˆ์ „ํ•  ๋ฟ๋งŒ
66:16
but mentally and emotionally safe. And thereย  is more and more evidence showing that theย ย 
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์ •์‹ ์ ์œผ๋กœ๋‚˜ ๊ฐ์ •์ ์œผ๋กœ๋„ ์•ˆ์ „ํ•œ์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
66:21
more screen time you have, the more apps youย  use that let you chat with strangers. Thisย ย 
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๊ธฐ๊ธฐ ์‚ฌ์šฉ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๋งŽ์„์ˆ˜๋ก ๋‚ฏ์„  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ์ฑ„ํŒ…ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์•ฑ์„ ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ฆ๊ฑฐ๊ฐ€ ์ ์  ๋” ๋งŽ์•„์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์€
66:27
is so dangerous and it's everywhere. So I reallyย  want to be aware constantly of what our kids areย ย 
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๋งค์šฐ ์œ„ํ—˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์–ด๋””์—๋‚˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์— ๋…ธ์ถœ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์ง€์†์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ธ์‹ํ•˜๊ณ ,
66:36
exposed to and kind of train them to realize thatย  yes, it's hard. Yes, you're not going to like meย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ด๋ ต๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊นจ๋‹ซ๋„๋ก ํ›ˆ๋ จ์‹œํ‚ค๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋„ค, ๋‹น์‹ ์€
66:43
about this. Yes, you're going to be differentย  probably from your peers due to not always-
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์ด ์ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋‚˜๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋„ค, ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋™๋ฃŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ๋‹ค๋ฅผ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
66:49
Dan: To some degree.
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Dan: ์–ด๋Š ์ •๋„์š”.
66:50
Vanessa: ... looking at a phoneย ย 
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Vanessa: ... ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ข…์ผ ํœด๋Œ€์ „ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ 
66:51
and playing video games all day, but that's stillย  for the best. So it's going to be hard, I'm sure.
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๋น„๋””์˜ค ๊ฒŒ์ž„์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋ž˜๋„ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ตœ์„ ์ด์—์š”. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์–ด๋ ค์šธ ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•ด์š”.
66:59
Dan: I've foundย ย 
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Dan: ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋Š๋‚€ ๋ฐ”๋กœ๋Š”
67:00
so far too, having some parents andย  kids with like minds really helps.
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๊ฐ™์€ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ๋ถ€๋ชจ์™€ ์ž๋…€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •๋ง ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
67:06
Vanessa: Like-minded parents. Yeah.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๊ฐ™์€ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด์—์š”. ์‘.
67:07
Dan: Yeah, like-mindedย ย 
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Dan: ๋„ค, ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ๋น„์Šทํ•œ
67:08
parents and kids. Because I don't know if it'sย  going to continue and I think it gets harder,ย ย 
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๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜๊ณผ ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด์š”. ๊ณ„์†๋ ์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ๊ณ  ์ ์  ๋” ์–ด๋ ค์›Œ์งˆ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์„œ์š”.
67:13
but as of now, a lot of parents of younger kidsย  are like, "We don't want them to use this stuffย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ง€๊ธˆ์œผ๋กœ์„œ๋Š” ์–ด๋ฆฐ ์ž๋…€๋ฅผ ๋‘” ๋งŽ์€ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋“ค์ด '์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ์ด ๋ฌผ๊ฑด์„ ํ•ญ์ƒ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์›ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
67:19
all the time. We've seen what it's done toย  me or my family, or my brother still playsย ย 
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. ๋‚˜๋‚˜ ๋‚ด ๊ฐ€์กฑ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฌ๋Š”์ง€๋„ ๋ดค๊ณ , ๋‚ด ๋™์ƒ์€ ์•„์ง๋„
67:25
Pokemon until the wee hours of the morning.ย  That's kind of weird." So stuff like that.
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์ƒˆ๋ฒฝ๊นŒ์ง€ ํฌ์ผ“๋ชฌ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ์ข€ ์ด์ƒํ•ด์š”." ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ.
67:31
Vanessa:ย 
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Vanessa:
67:32
If your kids have friends that areย  doing the same things it's easier.
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์ž๋…€์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ์นœ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋” ์‰ฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
67:34
Dan: The hope is thatย ย 
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Dan:
67:35
they have friends who areย  kind of doing similar things-
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๋น„์Šทํ•œ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ์นœ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์œผ๋ฉด ์ข‹๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
67:39
Vanessa: Hopefully.
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67:39
Dan: ... and then they won't feel so left out.
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Vanessa: ๋ฐ”๋ผ๊ฑด๋Œ€์š”.
Dan: ... ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์†Œ์™ธ๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๋ผ์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
67:41
Vanessa: Yeah.
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67:41
Dan: Hopefullyย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
Dan:
67:42
other parents have enoughย  fortitude to say, you know-
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜๋“ค๋„ ๋งํ•  ๋งŒํผ ์šฉ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์œผ์‹œ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
67:46
Vanessa: Yeah, and personally I don't-
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Vanessa: ๋„ค, ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
67:47
Dan: They're going to put some boundaries on it.
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ์–ด๋Š ์ •๋„ ๊ฒฝ๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๋‘˜ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
67:49
Vanessa: Yeah.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
67:50
Dan: Although I think there is some gray area,ย ย 
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Dan: ๋น„๋ก ํšŒ์ƒ‰ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
67:52
you can test the waters with some things and makeย  it very clear upfront and see how they handle it.
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๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์‚ฌํ•ญ์„ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฏธ๋ฆฌ ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
67:58
Vanessa: Yeah.
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67:58
Dan: But I thinkย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
Dan: ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—
67:59
the internet in general is so unbound, the wayย  that you can just, two clicks away, pornography.
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์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท์€ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งค์šฐ ์ž์œ ๋กญ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ํด๋ฆญ ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ๋งŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด ์Œ๋ž€๋ฌผ์„ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
68:06
Vanessa: Yeah.
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68:06
Dan: Stuff likeย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
Dan: ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์ €๊ธฐ
68:07
that is just rampant all over the place.
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๋งŒ์—ฐํ•ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
68:09
Vanessa: Really dangerous for children.
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Vanessa: ์•„์ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์ •๋ง ์œ„ํ—˜ํ•ด์š”.
68:10
Dan: And so I thinkย ย 
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—”
68:12
that's a really difficult area to say, "Here,ย  you can just, yeah, go ahead kid." Yeah, no way.
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"์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ, ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๊ฐ€๋„ ๋ผ ๊ผฌ๋งˆ์•ผ."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง ์–ด๋ ค์šด ์˜์—ญ์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์‘, ์ ˆ๋Œ€ ์•ˆ๋ผ.
68:19
Vanessa: Yeah, that's kind of theย ย 
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Vanessa: ์‘, ๊ทธ๊ฑด
68:21
idea of keeping our children's minds and bodiesย  safe. And the internet is quite unknown, but I doย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค์˜ ์ •์‹ ๊ณผ ์‹ ์ฒด๋ฅผ ์•ˆ์ „ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ณดํ˜ธํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด์•ผ . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท์€ ์ž˜ ์•Œ๋ ค์ง€์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์ง€๋งŒ
68:28
have hope that as especially our generation growsย  up as parents, there's more information and moreย ย 
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ํŠนํžˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์„ธ๋Œ€๊ฐ€ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋กœ ์„ฑ์žฅํ•จ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์ •๋ณด์™€
68:36
studies, and I think there is kind of a movementย  away from unlimited technology for children.
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์—ฐ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํฌ๋งํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ๋ฌด์ œํ•œ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚˜๋Š” ์›€์ง์ž„์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
68:44
Dan: Or just people in general.
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Dan: ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์ผ๋ฐ˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด์š”.
68:45
Vanessa: Yeah, for people in general to say, "Yeah,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋„ค, ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด "๊ทธ๋ž˜,
68:47
I don't really want to look at Facebook all day.ย  Yeah, I don't really want to watch YouTube allย ย 
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ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ข…์ผ Facebook์„ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์•„. ๋„ค,
68:51
day, except for Vanessa's videos." No, don't watchย  my videos all day, please. But this kind of ideaย ย 
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Vanessa์˜ ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์ œ์™ธํ•˜๊ณ ๋Š” ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ข…์ผ YouTube๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์•„"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”, ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ข…์ผ ๋‚ด ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์ƒ๊ฐ์€
68:57
that we're becoming more aware of the addictiveย  quality. So I have hope that in the future thereย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ค‘๋…์„ฑ ์žˆ๋Š” ํŠน์„ฑ์„ ์ ์  ๋” ์ธ์‹ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•ž์œผ๋กœ๋Š”
69:05
will be more people who want to just be carefulย  about their kids' consumption of technology andย ย 
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์ž๋…€์˜ ๊ธฐ์ˆ  ์†Œ๋น„์™€
69:12
screens and whatnot. It's not all bad, but youย  definitely have to be very careful. All right.
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ํ™”๋ฉด ๋“ฑ์„ ์กฐ์‹ฌํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋” ๋งŽ์•„์ง€๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋‚˜์œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋งค์šฐ ์กฐ์‹ฌํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์€.
69:17
Dan: That bad is always hiding around the corner.
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Dan: ๊ทธ ๋‚˜์œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋ชจํ‰์ด์— ์ˆจ์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
69:18
Vanessa: Yes, lurking. All right,ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘, ์ˆจ์–ด ์žˆ์–ด. ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
69:21
let's go to our final question. We do haveย  a bonus question, let's see if we have timeย ย 
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๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์œผ๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ณด๋„ˆ์Šค ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ์•„๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
69:24
to get to it. But the fourth question is, how doย  you and Dan usually manage the housework and theย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๋„ค ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€, ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ๋Œ„์€ ๋ณดํ†ต ์ง‘์•ˆ์ผ๊ณผ
69:31
childcare? How do you decide which of you willย  take care of what? And the little extra part ofย ย 
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์œก์•„๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ด€๋ฆฌํ•˜๋‚˜์š”? ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌํ• ์ง€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๋‚˜์š” ? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์˜ ์ž‘์€ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์€
69:37
this question is, the student asks, "I'd like toย  know some common expressions to ask someone like,ย ย 
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ํ•™์ƒ์ด " ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์—๊ฒŒ '
69:43
can you wash the dishes? I'll do the dishesย  for you. These types of expressions." So,ย ย 
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์„ค๊ฑฐ์ง€๋ฅผ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”? ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์„ค๊ฑฐ์ง€๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ํ‘œํ˜„'๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ํ‘œํ˜„์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฌป์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ,
69:48
little teaser. When I talk about theย  vocabulary from today's lesson in a few weeks,ย ย 
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์ž‘์€ ํ‹ฐ์ €์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ช‡ ์ฃผ ํ›„์— ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์ˆ˜์—…์˜ ์–ดํœ˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๋•Œ,
69:53
I'll give you some expressions to talk aboutย  chores, about how to delegate chores. Like, oh,ย ย 
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์ง‘์•ˆ์ผ, ์ง‘์•ˆ์ผ์„ ์œ„์ž„ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ํ‘œํ˜„์„ ์•Œ๋ ค ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ์•„,
69:58
I'll do the dishes for you tonight, I know you'reย  really tired. Those types of expressions. So,ย ย 
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์˜ค๋Š˜ ๋ฐค ์„ค๊ฑฐ์ง€๋ฅผ ํ•ด์ค„๊ฒŒ, ๋„ˆ ์ •๋ง ํ”ผ๊ณคํ•œ ๊ฑฐ ์•Œ์•„. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ํ‘œํ˜„๋“ค์ด์—์š”. ์ด์ œ
70:02
coming soon to a YouTube video near you. Yeah,ย  how do we decide who will take care of what?
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๊ณง ๊ฐ€๊นŒ์šด YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ๋งŒ๋‚˜๋ณด์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋„ค, ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌํ• ์ง€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๋‚˜์š”?
70:08
Dan: Well,ย ย 
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70:08
first of all, I have to preface that I thinkย  we are pretty mid-tier in the chore category.
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Dan: ์Œ,
์šฐ์„ , ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ง‘์•ˆ์ผ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์—์„œ ๊ฝค ์ค‘๊ฐ„๊ธ‰์— ์†ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์„ ๋จผ์ € ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
70:15
Vanessa: Oh, what's that mean?
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70:15
Dan: We're not the most cleanly people on earth.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•„, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์Šจ ๋œป์ด์—์š”?
Dan: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ง€๊ตฌ์ƒ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๊นจ๋—ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
70:17
Vanessa: Oh. Yeah, we're not-
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•„. ๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
70:18
Dan: We're maybe little more than average.
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Dan: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ํ‰๊ท ๋ณด๋‹ค ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
70:20
Vanessa: ... fastidious, is that the word?
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Vanessa: ... ๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กญ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ ๋ง์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
70:21
Dan: Yeah. For example,ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด
70:23
we have cleanup time with the kids at night whereย  we just pick up stuff and try to put it away.
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๋ฐค์—๋Š” ์•„์ด๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ฒญ์†Œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ๋ฌผ๊ฑด์„ ์ง‘์–ด ์น˜์šฐ๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
70:28
Vanessa: I think that's pretty normal.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๊ฝค ์ •์ƒ์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
70:29
Dan: Yes.
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๋Œ„: ๋„ค.
70:30
Vanessa: Tidy aย ย 
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Vanessa:
70:31
little bit throughout the day and atย  the end of the day do it together.
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ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ข…์ผ ์กฐ๊ธˆ์”ฉ ์ •๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ , ํ•˜๋ฃจ๊ฐ€ ๋๋‚˜๋ฉด ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
70:32
Dan: But what I was going toย ย 
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Dan: ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ๊ฐ€
70:33
say is it doesn't happen every day.
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๋งํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งค์ผ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
70:35
Vanessa: Oh, yeah.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•„, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์š”.
70:36
Dan: Some days we don't do that.
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Dan: ์–ด๋–ค ๋‚ ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”.
70:38
Vanessa: Yeah, I think that's fine.
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70:38
Dan: And then it just endsย ย 
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70:38
up probably you walking by grabbing stuff again.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘, ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„.
Dan: ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ์—๋Š”
๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ฌผ๊ฑด์„ ์žก๊ณ  ๊ฑธ์–ด๊ฐ€๊ฒŒ ๋  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
70:43
Vanessa: Yeah. That's oneย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
70:44
of the chores, tidying up. But other choresย  are continual, like laundry and dishes and-
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์ง‘์•ˆ์ผ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์ •๋ฆฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋นจ๋ž˜ ๋‚˜ ์„ค๊ฑฐ์ง€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ง‘์•ˆ์ผ์€ ๊ณ„์†๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
70:49
Dan: Yeah, the big ones.
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Dan: ๋„ค, ํฐ ์ผ์ด์ฃ .
70:50
Vanessa: Oh, our car needsย ย 
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Vanessa: ์•„, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ฐจ๋Š”
70:51
to be maintenance or the kids' tuition, schoolย  needs to be paid or whatever it is. These typesย ย 
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์œ ์ง€ ๊ด€๋ฆฌ๋‚˜ ์•„์ด๋“ค ๋“ฑ๋ก๊ธˆ, ํ•™๊ต ๋น„์šฉ ๋“ฑ์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ด์š” .
70:57
of things that just keep your life running.ย  How do we decide who will take care of what?
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์ธ์ƒ์„ ๊ณ„์† ์ด์–ด๊ฐ€๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์ฃผ๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์œ ํ˜•์˜ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ๊ด€๋ฆฌํ• ์ง€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
71:02
Dan: Well, when youย ย 
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Dan: ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
71:03
were pregnant, I basically said, "Iย  am going to do every single chore."
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์ž„์‹ ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ "๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ง‘์•ˆ์ผ์„ ๋‹ค ํ• ๊ฒŒ์š”."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
71:08
Vanessa: I had a big chore of growing a baby.
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Vanessa: ๋‚˜๋Š” ์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ‚ค์šฐ๋Š” ํฐ ์ผ์„ ๋งก์•˜์–ด์š”.
71:11
Dan: And so I did the dishesย ย 
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์„ค๊ฑฐ์ง€๋„
71:12
and the laundry. Those are the big ones to me.
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ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋นจ๋ž˜๋„ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ํฐ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
71:15
Vanessa: And tidying up and putting the kids to bed.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ •๋ฆฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ์žฌ์šฐ๊ณ .
71:17
Dan: Tidying up.
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71:17
Vanessa: That's a big chore.
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๋Œ„: ์ •๋ฆฌ ์ค‘์ด์—์š”.
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ ์ •๋ง ํž˜๋“  ์ผ์ด๊ตฐ์š”.
71:18
Dan: Well, I tidied it upย ย 
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Dan: ์Œ,
71:19
everything on the floor becauseย  you can't get stuff on the floor.
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๋ฐ”๋‹ฅ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฌผ๊ฑด์€ ๋†“์„ ์ˆ˜ ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ”๋‹ฅ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ •๋ฆฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
71:22
Vanessa: I know.ย ย 
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71:22
My belly was so big, I couldn't pick up anything.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•Œ์•„์š”.
๋ฐฐ๊ฐ€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ปค์„œ ์•„๋ฌด๊ฒƒ๋„ ์ง‘์–ด๋“ค ์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ์—†์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
71:24
Dan: But for a whileย ย 
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ํ•œ๋™์•ˆ
71:25
I think you were still doingย  cleaning off the tables and stuff.
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์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ํ…Œ์ด๋ธ”์ด๋‚˜ ๋ฌผ๊ฑด์„ ์น˜์šฐ๊ณ  ๊ณ„์…จ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
71:28
Vanessa: Yeah, minor things.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘, ์‚ฌ์†Œํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค.
71:30
Dan: Lawnย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์ž”๋””๋ฐญ
71:31
work. I used to do the lawn work. In Americaย  that's a big thing, you got to mow your lawn.
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์ผ์ด์—์š”. ์ €๋Š” ์ž”๋””๋ฐญ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณค ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ๋Š” ์ž”๋””๋ฅผ ๊นŽ์•„์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ํฐ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
71:35
Vanessa: Yeah.
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71:35
Dan: But now we pay somebody to do that because-
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
Dan: ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด์ œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋„๋ก ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์—๊ฒŒ ๋ˆ์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด-
71:38
Vanessa: It's a big task.
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๊ฑด ํฐ ์ผ์ด๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
71:39
Dan: I had thatย ย 
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Dan:
71:40
good old red-blooded American inย  me that said, "No, I've got toย ย 
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๋‚ด ์•ˆ์—๋Š” "์•„๋‹ˆ์š”,
71:42
mow my own lawn." And you were like, "I'dย  rather you just spend some time with us."
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์ž”๋””๋ฅผ ์ง์ ‘ ๊นŽ์•„์•ผ ํ•ด์š”."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ํ˜ˆ๊ธฐ์™•์„ฑํ•œ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ธ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ "๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์ข€ ๋ณด๋‚ด์คฌ์œผ๋ฉด ์ข‹๊ฒ ์–ด"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
71:47
Vanessa: Yeah, especially because weย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋„ค, ํŠนํžˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ
71:48
have a pretty big yard. So that task, especiallyย  for this time in our life when we have small kids,ย ย 
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์ง‘ ๋งˆ๋‹น์ด ๊ฝค ๋„“๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ทธ ์ž‘์—…, ํŠนํžˆ ์–ด๋ฆฐ ์ž๋…€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ด ์‹œ๊ธฐ์—๋Š”
71:54
it's better to delegate that to someone else.ย  I feel like a big thing that worked for us was-
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ ์œ„์ž„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ํฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋œ ๊ฒƒ์€-
72:01
Dan: For, excuse me, delegating.
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Dan: ์ฃ„์†กํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค๋งŒ, ์œ„์ž„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
72:03
Vanessa: For delegating, yeah. It wasย ย 
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Vanessa: ์œ„์ž„์„ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ์š”, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ . ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€
72:05
just really treating it like a business, whichย  I think the home is kind of like a business.
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์ •๋ง ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์‚ฌ์—…์ฒด์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋Œ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์ง‘๋„ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์‚ฌ์—…์ฒด์™€ ๊ฐ™๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
72:09
Dan: That's how you saw it.
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๋Œ„: ๋‹น์‹ ๋„ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ดค์–ด์š”.
72:10
Vanessa: We had a meeting, I remember we went-
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Vanessa: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํšŒ์˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ฐ”๋˜ ๊ธฐ์–ต์ด ๋‚˜๋„ค์š”.
72:12
Dan: Okay, we did have a meeting. That's true.
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Dan: ์ข‹์•„์š”, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํšŒ์˜๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด๋‹ค.
72:13
Vanessa: We went out on a date,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฐ์ดํŠธ๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ๊ธฐ
72:15
so tried to have a little fun. We wentย  out on a date, went to a restaurant.
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๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ข€ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋†€๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฐ์ดํŠธ๋„ ํ•˜๊ณ , ๋ ˆ์Šคํ† ๋ž‘์—๋„ ๊ฐ”์–ด์š”.
72:18
Dan: Couple of drinks.
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๋Œ„: ๋‘์–ด ์ž”.
72:19
Vanessa: Couple of drinks, nice food.ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์ˆ  ๋‘์–ด ์ž”, ๋ง›์žˆ๋Š” ์Œ์‹.
72:22
We brought a notebook and we wrote down everyย  chore. Little things, like fixing the car or-
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ณต์ฑ…์„ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์™€ ์ง‘์•ˆ์ผ์„ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ฐจ๋ฅผ ๊ณ ์น˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜-
72:28
Dan: That's not a little thing.
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Dan: ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ž‘์€ ์ผ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ์—์š”.
72:30
Vanessa: Well,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ์Œ,
72:31
like maintenance on the car or checking theย  bank account, looking at our health insurance,ย ย 
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์ž๋™์ฐจ ์ •๋น„๋‚˜ ์€ํ–‰ ๊ณ„์ขŒ ํ™•์ธ, ๊ฑด๊ฐ• ๋ณดํ—˜ ์‚ดํŽด๋ณด๊ธฐ ๋“ฑ
72:37
these little things that come up. Schedulingย  doctor's appointments for the kids or ourselvesย ย 
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์‚ฌ์†Œํ•œ ์ผ๋“ค์ด ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด๋‚˜ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ž์‹  ๋“ฑ์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ์˜์‚ฌ ์ง„๋ฃŒ ์˜ˆ์•ฝ ์ผ์ •์„ ์žก์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
72:43
or whatever. These types of things that kind ofย  add up. We wrote every single one down. And basedย ย 
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. ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ํ•ฉ์‚ฐ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•˜๋‚˜ํ•˜๋‚˜ ์ ์–ด๋ณด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
72:51
on other things. So am I pregnant, am I not?ย  That's also a big responsibility. How much amย ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜์œผ๋กœ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ž„์‹ ํ•œ ๊ฑธ๊นŒ์š”, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ? ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋„ ํฐ ์ฑ…์ž„์ด์—์š”.
72:59
I working? How much is Dan working? And not justย  hours, but that mental load of you're working onย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์–ผ๋งˆ๋ฅผ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”? Dan์€ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”? ๋ช‡ ์‹œ๊ฐ„๋งŒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
73:04
a big project or whatnot, those types of things.ย  Who did what chores? So we just wrote down-
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ํฐ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋ผ๋“ ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์ž‘์—…์„ ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋”ฐ๋ฅธ ์ •์‹ ์  ๋ถ€๋‹ด๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ค ์ง‘์•ˆ์ผ์„ ํ–ˆ๋‚˜์š”? ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์ ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
73:10
Dan: Putting the kids to bed.
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Dan: ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ์žฌ์šฐ๋ ค๊ณ ์š”.
73:11
Vanessa: Putting the kids to bed, that's a big chore.
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Vanessa: ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ์žฌ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฑด ์ •๋ง ํž˜๋“  ์ผ์ด์—์š”.
73:15
Dan: That's a big chore, man.
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73:15
Vanessa: We just put D or V based on who did what, so thisย ย 
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Dan: ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ ์ •๋ง ํž˜๋“  ์ผ์ด๊ตฐ์š”.
Vanessa: ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ D ๋˜๋Š” V๋ฅผ ๋ถ™์ด๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ
73:19
kind of strict delegation. But there was a littleย  asterisk, I think, we put on this that said... Andย ย 
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์—„๊ฒฉํ•œ ์œ„์ž„์ด์ฃ . ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ž‘์€ ๋ณ„ํ‘œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‹ค์Œ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์ด ๋ง๋ถ™์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค... ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
73:28
I think this is an important part of a healthyย  relationship, if I can say this, is that whenย ย 
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฑด๊ฐ•ํ•œ ๊ด€๊ณ„์˜ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
73:34
one of us was not capable of doing one of thoseย  chores, for example, the dishes. If the kids wereย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ค‘ ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์•„๋ฌด๊ฒƒ๋„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์„ ๋•Œ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์„ค๊ฑฐ์ง€ ๋“ฑ์˜ ์ง‘์•ˆ์ผ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด
73:42
having such a hard time going to bed and you wereย  really overwhelmed by that, I would do the dishes.ย 
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์ž ์ž๋ฆฌ์— ๋“ค๊ธฐ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ํž˜๋“ค์–ดํ•˜๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ๋„ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋ถ€๋‹ด์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šฐ๋ฉด ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์„ค๊ฑฐ์ง€๋ฅผ ํ•ด์ค„ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
73:49
So there's a little asterisk of we help eachย  other out. We're not going to say, "Nope,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์„œ๋กœ ๋•๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์— ์ž‘์€ ๋ณ„ํ‘œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” "์•„๋‹ˆ, ๊ทธ๊ฑด
73:54
it's not my chore. I will never do it." Butย  we were willing to help each other out. Butย ย 
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๋‚ด ํ•  ์ผ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ์•ผ. ๋‚œ ์ ˆ๋Œ€ ์•ˆ ํ•  ๊ฑฐ์•ผ"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ธฐ๊บผ์ด ์„œ๋กœ๋ฅผ ๋„์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
73:58
in general, you wrote down Dan does this, youย  do it. It's your chore. And yeah, kind of justย ย 
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์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ Dan์ด ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ
74:06
figuring out what works well, because we bothย  work, we both take care of the kids. If one ofย ย 
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๋ฌด์—‡์ด ์ž˜๋˜๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ์•„๋‚ด๋Š” ์ค‘์ด์—์š”. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ , ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ๋Œ๋ณด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ . ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ค‘ ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด
74:12
us did not work, totally different situationย  then because that person's job is the home.
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์ผํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค๋ฉด ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ์ง์—…์€ ์ง‘์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
74:18
Dan: Is the household.
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74:18
Vanessa: It is the children. And you take that seriously.
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๋Œ„: ๊ฐ€๊ตฌ์š”.
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด์—์š”. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ง„์ง€ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
74:21
Dan: It'sย ย 
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Dan:
74:22
kind of harder than a regular jobย  really, if you do it all by yourself.
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ํ˜ผ์ž์„œ ๋‹ค ํ•˜๋ฉด ์ผ๋ฐ˜ ์ผ๋ณด๋‹ค ์ข€ ๋” ํž˜๋“ค์–ด์š”.
74:24
Vanessa: I think every stay at-
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Vanessa: ์ˆ™๋ฐ•ํ•  ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค-
74:26
Dan: It gets crazy.
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74:26
Vanessa: Every stay atย ย 
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74:26
home parent would absolutely say that.
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Dan: ์ •๋ง ๋ฏธ์น  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
Vanessa: ์ง‘์— ๋จธ๋ฌด๋ฅผ ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค
๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์€ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹ค ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
74:29
Dan: Yeah.
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74:29
Vanessa: That going to work is a break.
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๋Œ„: ์‘.
Vanessa: ์ถœ๊ทผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑด ํœด์‹์ด์—์š”.
74:30
Dan: It depends on your job, but still.
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Dan: ์ง์—…์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋‹ค๋ฅด์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋ž˜๋„ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ .
74:32
Vanessa: Generally,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœย ย  ์ €์—๊ฒŒ๋Š”
74:33
for me, taking care of the children is harder.
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์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ๋Œ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋” ์–ด๋ ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
74:37
Dan: By yourself, especially.
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๋Œ„: ํŠนํžˆ ํ˜ผ์ž์„œ์š”.
74:38
Vanessa: Especially byย ย 
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Vanessa: ํŠนํžˆ
74:39
yourself is the most difficult. And thenย  going to work is like a break. It's like,ย ย 
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ํ˜ผ์ž์„œ๋Š” ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์–ด๋ ค์šด ์ผ์ด์—์š”. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ถœ๊ทผ์€ ํœด์‹๊ณผ๋„ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งˆ์น˜,
74:45
oh, it's quiet. I can focus, I accomplish aย  task from the beginning to the end withoutย ย 
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์•„, ์กฐ์šฉํ•ด์š”. ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ , ๋ฐฉํ•ด๋ฐ›์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์ฒ˜์Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋๊นŒ์ง€ ์ž‘์—…์„ ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
74:50
being interrupted. That feelingย  is much different. It's much-
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. ๊ทธ ๋Š๋‚Œ์€ ๋งŽ์ด ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค์•ผ-
74:54
Dan: You can go toย ย 
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Dan:
74:55
the bathroom without a child barging in on you.
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์•„์ด๊ฐ€ ๋ผ์–ด๋“ค์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ํ™”์žฅ์‹ค์— ๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
74:58
Vanessa: Wow. So yeah, I think that'sย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์™€. ๋„ค, ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ
75:02
generally how we handle it. And we change it overย  time because we have two kids and Dan worked fromย ย 
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์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๋‘ ๋ช…์˜ ์ž๋…€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ณ  Dan์€ ๋‚˜์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ง‘์—์„œ ์ผํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ง€๋‚จ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋ณ€๊ฒฝ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
75:10
home with me. Actually, that's our bonus question.ย  Dan worked at this business, Speak English withย ย 
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. ์‚ฌ์‹ค, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๋ณด๋„ˆ์Šค ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Dan์€ Speak English with Vanessa๋ผ๋Š” ํšŒ์‚ฌ์—์„œ
75:15
Vanessa, for several years. So that was a veryย  different situation. We had similar type of jobs,ย ย 
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์ˆ˜๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ๊ทผ๋ฌดํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‹ค์†Œ ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์ง์—…์„ ๊ฐ€์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
75:21
somewhat. We were both home, so yeah, we had toย  kind of organize and delegate our chores in aย ย 
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. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ์ง‘์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ง‘์•ˆ์ผ์„ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์ •๋ฆฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์œ„์ž„ํ•ด์•ผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
75:28
different way. So basically whatever works forย  you. But I highly recommend having a meeting,ย ย 
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. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ท€ํ•˜์—๊ฒŒ ์ ํ•ฉํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋“  ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํšŒ์˜๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ณ 
75:35
writing down all the things that need to be done,ย  and then determining who does what. But workingย ย 
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ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ผ์„ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ธฐ๋กํ•œ ๋‹ค์Œ, ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ• ์ง€ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งŽ์€ ์ปคํ”Œ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ
75:41
on it together because it can be a big pointย  of contention, I think, for a lot of couples.
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ํฐ ๋…ผ์Ÿ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
75:45
Dan: Yeah. And I do think it's a lot more cut andย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์ปทํŠธํ•˜๊ณ 
75:47
dry for a lot of people. Especially if one personย  does the work and makes the money for the house.ย ย 
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๋“œ๋ผ์ดํ•œ ์Šคํƒ€์ผ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํŠนํžˆ ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ง‘์— ๋ˆ์„ ๋ฒ„๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋Š” ๋”์šฑ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
75:53
It seems a lot easier to be like, the other personย  takes care of almost everything at the house.
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์ƒ๋Œ€๋ฐฉ์ด ์ง‘์•ˆ์˜ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ผ์„ ๊ด€๋ฆฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ํ–‰๋™ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ›จ์”ฌ ์‰ฌ์šด ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
75:58
Vanessa: Yeah, I think that-
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Vanessa: ๋„ค, ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—”-
75:59
Dan: That just kind of makes sense.
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Dan: ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ ์ข€ ์ดํ•ด๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š”๊ตฐ์š”.
76:00
Vanessa: It's alsoย ย 
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Vanessa:
76:01
important to determine what happensย  when that person comes home.
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์ง‘์— ๋Œ์•„์™”์„ ๋•Œ ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋Š”์ง€ ํŒ๋‹จํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ด์š”.
76:04
Dan: Yeah, that's true.
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๋Œ„: ์‘, ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด์•ผ.
76:05
Vanessa: Because the person-
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด-
76:07
Dan: That can get contentious.
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Dan: ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋…ผ์Ÿ์˜ ์—ฌ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
76:08
Vanessa: Yeah. I think that's why it's important to talkย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
76:10
about it and write down the stuff. What do you doย  on the weekends? Because everyone needs a break.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ์ ์–ด ๋‘๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋„ˆ๋Š” ์ฃผ๋ง๋งˆ๋‹ค ๋ญํ•˜๋‹ˆ? ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋‚˜ ํœด์‹์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
76:15
Dan: Just know the expectations. You don't wantย ย 
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Dan: ๊ธฐ๋Œ€์น˜๋ฅผ ์•Œ์•„๋‘์„ธ์š”. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ฐ€์ •ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
76:17
to assume. You don't want to be the guy who justย  kicks his feet up and puts them up on the chair.
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. ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋ฐœ์„ ์ฐจ์„œ ์˜์ž ์œ„์— ์˜ฌ๋ ค๋†“๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
76:20
Vanessa: Oh, yeah.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•„, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์š”.
76:21
Dan: While the wife is making the dinner.
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๋Œ„: ์•„๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ €๋…์„ ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ์š”.
76:23
Vanessa: Yeah. And I think making sure that everyone-
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด-
76:26
Dan: Sometimes that's fun.
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76:26
Vanessa:ย 
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Dan: ๊ฐ€๋”์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ๋„ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
Vanessa:
76:28
Not fun for the person making... Actually, youย  know what? In our house making dinner is a break.
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๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์žฌ๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์—†๊ตฐ์š”... ์‚ฌ์‹ค, ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ ์•Œ์•„์š”? ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ง‘์—์„œ๋Š” ์ €๋…์„ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ํœด์‹์ด๋‹ค.
76:31
Dan: We like making dinner.
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Dan: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ €๋… ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ด์š”.
76:32
Vanessa: I like makingย ย 
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Vanessa: ์ €๋Š” ์ €๋… ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
76:33
dinner because if I've been with theย  kids all day, making dinner is like,ย ย 
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ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ข…์ผ ์•„์ด๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ €๋… ์‹์‚ฌ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ์ผ์ด ์ด ์ผ
76:38
I can focus on this task. And sometimes we makeย  dinner with the kids. But in general, I thinkย ย 
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์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ์•„์ด๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ €๋…์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ
76:45
that you just decide what's best for your family,ย  but it's best to decide together and kind of workย ย 
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๊ฐ€์กฑ์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์€ ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€๋Š” ๋ณธ์ธ์ด ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐ ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ,
76:50
through that before somebody explodes, generallyย  that's a good idea. All right. Thank you for thoseย ย 
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ํญ๋ฐœํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์— ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ด๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์ž‘์—…์„ ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ข‹์€ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์€. ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
76:56
wonderful questions. We have a bonus question.ย  Would you like to answer a bonus question?
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. ๋ณด๋„ˆ์Šค ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ณด๋„ˆ์Šค ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋‹ต๋ณ€ํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
77:00
Dan: I thought we already did the bonus question.
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Dan: ๋ณด๋„ˆ์Šค ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ์ด๋ฏธ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ.
77:01
Vanessa: We did not do the bonus question.
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Vanessa: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ณด๋„ˆ์Šค ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์–ด์š”.
77:02
Dan: Oh, okay.
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77:02
Vanessa: But I hinted at the bonus question.
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๋Œ„: ์•„, ์•Œ์•˜์–ด.
Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๋ณด๋„ˆ์Šค ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ํžŒํŠธ๋ฅผ ์คฌ์–ด์š”.
77:04
Dan: Okay.
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๋Œ„: ์•Œ์•˜์–ด.
77:05
Vanessa: The bonus question is,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋ณด๋„ˆ์Šค ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€,
77:08
how is Dan feeling going back to work afterย  helping you to teach us English for a long time?
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Dan์ด ์˜ค๋žซ๋™์•ˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ๋„์™€์ค€ ํ›„ ์ง์žฅ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์–ด๋–ค๊ฐ€์š”?์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
77:14
Dan: Wow. I didn't know they knew about that.
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๋Œ„: ์™€์šฐ. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ชฐ๋ž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
77:16
Vanessa: Yes. Yeah, well,ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๋„ค, ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”,
77:17
some of my students in my course, The Fearlessย  Fluency Club, they have been a part of our livesย ย 
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์ œ ๊ฐ•์ขŒ์ธ The Fearless Fluency Club์˜ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ์˜ค๋žซ๋™์•ˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์‚ถ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
77:24
for a long time. They're privy to all thatย  information. So just as a little background,ย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ •๋ณด์— ์ ‘๊ทผํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ๋ฐฐ๊ฒฝ ์ง€์‹์œผ๋กœ
77:29
Dan taught and worked with me at Speakย  English with Vanessa, making videos.
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Dan์€ Speak English with Vanessa์—์„œ ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๊ณ  ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์ œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
77:34
Dan: Behind the scenes.
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77:34
Vanessa: Behind the scenes, helping with-
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๋Œ„: ๋ฌด๋Œ€ ๋’ค์—์„œ์š”.
Vanessa: ๋ฌด๋Œ€ ๋’ค์—์„œ ๋•๋Š” ์ผ-
77:35
Dan: Writing stories.
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Dan: ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ ์“ฐ๊ธฐ.
77:37
Vanessa: ... courses,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ... ๊ฐ•์ขŒ์ฃ ,
77:38
all of that. And then, yeah, tell us whatย  happened. September last year, what did you do?
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๊ทธ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ ๋ง์ด์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋„ค, ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฌ๋Š”์ง€ ๋งํ•ด์ฃผ์„ธ์š”. ์ž‘๋…„ 9์›”, ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ–ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
77:43
Dan: Yeah, soย ย 
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Dan: ๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
77:44
now I teach at my son's school. I wasย  an assistant teacher last year andย ย 
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์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์•„๋“ค์ด ๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๋Š” ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ์ €๋Š” ์ž‘๋…„์— ์กฐ๊ต์˜€์œผ๋ฉฐ
77:48
this year I'm going to be a co-scienceย  teacher. It's an alternative school,ย ย 
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์˜ฌํ•ด๋Š” ๊ณต๋™๊ณผํ•™ ๊ต์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ๋  ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋Œ€์•ˆํ•™๊ต์ด๊ธฐ
77:54
so it's not like a regular classroom setting.ย  It's a little bit more integrating outdoors,ย ย 
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๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ผ๋ฐ˜ ๊ต์‹ค ํ™˜๊ฒฝ๊ณผ ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ผ์™ธ์— ์ข€ ๋” ํ†ตํ•ฉ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๊ธฐ
78:01
so the kids are actually outside for half the day.ย  And so that's a big goal or mission of the school.ย ย 
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๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์•„์ด๋“ค์€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋ฐ˜๋‚˜์ ˆ ๋™์•ˆ ๋ฐ–์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ํ•™๊ต์˜ ํฐ ๋ชฉํ‘œ์ด์ž ์‚ฌ๋ช…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
78:08
So that's what I've been doing and I like it aย  lot. I like being able to go out and do my ownย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•ด์™”๋˜ ์ผ์ด๊ณ  ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„ํ•ด์š” . ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ฐ–์— ๋‚˜๊ฐ€์„œ ๋‚ด ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
78:16
thing. It's not so much working with you, butย  working with a partner all day long and livingย ย 
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. ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ข…์ผ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ์™€ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ 
78:25
with them and then having kids and everybody'sย  in the house. I think that got a little bit old.
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๊ทธ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์‚ด๊ณ  ์ง‘์— ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ํ‚ค์šฐ๊ณ  ๋ชจ๋‘๋ฅผ ํ‚ค์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ข€ ๋‚ก์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„.
78:31
Vanessa: Yeah. Iย ย 
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78:31
think it's healthy for us to be part ofย  the community, because especially when-
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆํ‹ฐ์˜ ์ผ์›์ด ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฑด์ „ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ํŠนํžˆ ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ๋•Œ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
78:37
Dan: Especially when technically you were my boss.
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Dan: ํŠนํžˆ ์—„๋ฐ€ํžˆ ๋งํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋‚ด ์ƒ์‚ฌ์˜€์„ ๋•Œ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
78:40
Vanessa: Yeah. I think deciding what works-
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ด ํšจ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„์ง€ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
78:42
Dan: That can't last that long.
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Dan: ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์˜ค๋ž˜ ์ง€์†๋  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์–ด์š”.
78:43
Vanessa: ... best for your relationship. Butย ย 
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Vanessa: ... ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๊ด€๊ณ„์— ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
78:46
I think even for our family, you working outsideย  the home, you working at Theo's school especially.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์ด๋ผ๋„ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ง‘ ๋ฐ–์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  , ํŠนํžˆ ํ…Œ์˜ค์˜ ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
78:52
Dan: That's been good.
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๋Œ„: ์ž˜๋์–ด์š”.
78:55
Vanessa: That's beenย ย 
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Vanessa: ์ •๋ง
78:56
great. You've been able to... At leastย  I feel good that Theo is with you duringย ย 
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์ข‹์•˜์–ด์š”. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค... ์ ์–ด๋„ ๋‚ฎ ๋™์•ˆ ํ…Œ์˜ค๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์žˆ์–ด์„œ ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
79:01
the day. You're not his teacher at school,ย  but you're at the school kind of with him.
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. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ๊ทธ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ๋Š” ๊ทธ์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ์กด์žฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
79:05
Dan: Not yet.
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๋Œ„: ์•„์ง์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์—์š”.
79:06
Vanessa: Someday maybeย ย 
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Vanessa: ์–ธ์  ๊ฐ€๋Š”
79:07
you'll be his teacher. But kind of connectingย  us to the community more. You have coworkers. Ifย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜์ด ๋ ์ง€๋„ ๋ชฐ๋ผ์š”. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆํ‹ฐ์— ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•ด ์ฃผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋™๋ฃŒ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
79:14
anybody has either worked from home or movedย  to a new country and then worked remotely,ย ย 
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์ง‘์—์„œ ์ผํ–ˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ตญ๊ฐ€๋กœ ์ด์ฃผํ•œ ํ›„ ์›๊ฒฉ์œผ๋กœ ์ผํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ง‘์—์„œ ์ผํ•  ๋•Œ ๋„๋ฆฌ
79:20
or just this kind of isolation that's prevalentย  when you work from home. It's really nice toย ย 
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ํผ์ ธ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ๊ณ ๋ฆฝ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ .
79:28
be connected to the community in some way.ย  And work is a kind of easy way to do that.
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์–ด๋–ค ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ๋“  ์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆํ‹ฐ์— ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ผ์€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์‰ฌ์šด ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
79:32
Dan: Yeah. And I think also,ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”
79:35
being perfectly honest, there are some patternsย  that people just can develop as work partnersย ย 
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์™„๋ฒฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์†”์งํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•ด์„œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ง์žฅ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๋กœ์„œ
79:43
or even just home life. And we had kindย  of developed something that was not good.
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๋˜๋Š” ๊ฐ€์ • ์ƒํ™œ๋กœ์„œ ๋ฐœ์ „ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ํŒจํ„ด์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
79:48
Vanessa: Yeah.
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79:48
Dan: That wasn't fun for us.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
Dan: ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์—†์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
79:50
Vanessa: It wasn't working long term.
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Vanessa: ์žฅ๊ธฐ์ ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ํšจ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ์—†์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
79:51
Dan: It wasn't as healthy as it could be.
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Dan: ์ƒ๊ฐ๋ณด๋‹ค ๊ฑด๊ฐ•ํ•˜์ง„ ์•Š์•˜์–ด์š”.
79:53
Vanessa: Yeah.
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79:53
Dan: And so we were like,ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
Dan: ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
79:54
we need to change something for sure.
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๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๋ฐ”๊ฟ”์•ผ๊ฒ ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
79:56
Vanessa: And I thinkย ย 
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ๋ณ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ• 
79:57
that was good of us to be able toย  decide something needs to change.
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์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์ข‹์€ ์ผ์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š” .
80:01
Dan: We weren't at each other's throats or anything.
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Dan: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์„œ๋กœ์˜ ๋ชฉ๊ตฌ๋ฉ์„ ๊ณต๊ฒฉํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฑด ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
80:03
Vanessa: No.
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Vanessa: ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”.
80:04
Dan: Yeah.
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80:04
Vanessa: Yeah, I thinkย ย 
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Dan: ์‘.
Vanessa: ๋„ค, ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”
80:05
that that's important to realize inย  our relationship. So Dan works at aย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ด€๊ณ„์—์„œ ๊นจ๋‹ซ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š” . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ Dan์€ ํ˜„์žฌ ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
80:10
school now. And the question was, howย  do you feel? You said it's going well.
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. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ' ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์€ ์–ด๋–ป์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?'์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž˜ ๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•˜์…จ์–ด์š”.
80:15
Dan: Yeah, it feels great. Yeah,ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘, ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์ข‹์•„. ๋„ค
80:16
I like it. I think this works reallyย  well. I get to go out and forge my ownย ย 
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์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •๋ง ์ž˜ ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š” . ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ฐ–์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜๊ฐ€์„œ
80:22
path in some ways. I don't feel like I'm kindย  of tinkering around the edges of this business,ย ย 
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์–ด๋–ค ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ๋“  ๋‚˜๋งŒ์˜ ๊ธธ์„ ๊ฐœ์ฒ™ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด ์‚ฌ์—…์˜ ๊ฐ€์žฅ์ž๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ์ง€์ž‘๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
80:28
which is a great business. And it's like,ย  yeah, it's amazing and you guys are awesome.ย ย 
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์ด๋Š” ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์‚ฌ์—…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋งˆ์น˜, ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ์ •๋ง ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•˜๊ณ  ๋„ˆํฌ๋“ค์€ ์ •๋ง ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•ด.
80:33
Vanessa's amazing. Amazing, amazing. Butย  yeah, it's just going off and doing myย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ๋Š” ์ •๋ง ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•ด์š”. ๋†€๋ž๊ณ  ๋†€๋ž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์˜ˆ, ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ
80:39
own thing for at least part of the day, Iย  think, has done a lot for me personally.
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ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ค‘ ์ ์–ด๋„ ์ผ๋ถ€ ๋™์•ˆ์€ ๋‚ด ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ๋งŽ์€ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
80:44
Vanessa: Yeah, I think it's done a lot for our family too.
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Vanessa: ์‘, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์—๊ฒŒ๋„ ๋งŽ์€ ๋„์›€์ด ๋œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„.
80:46
Dan: And for our family. Yeah.
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๋Œ„: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ์š”. ์‘.
80:47
Vanessa: Because I think when somebody in your houseย ย 
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Vanessa: ์ง‘์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€
80:50
isn't feeling well, I wouldn't say you weren'tย  feeling well, but you weren't at your best.
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๋ชธ์ด ์•ˆ ์ข‹๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ชธ์ด ์•ˆ ์ข‹์•˜๋‹ค๊ณ ๋Š” ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์ง€๋งŒ ์ปจ๋””์…˜์ด ์ตœ๊ณ ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ ๋Š” ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
80:56
Dan: At times I wasn't so happy.
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Dan: ๊ฐ€๋”์€ ๋ณ„๋กœ ํ–‰๋ณตํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๋•Œ๋„ ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
80:57
Vanessa: Yeah, thatย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋„ค, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ
80:58
really affects the whole family unit.ย  So I'm glad that you are feeling better.
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๊ฐ€์กฑ ์ „์ฒด์— ์ •๋ง ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น˜๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์ข‹์•„์ง€์…จ๋‹ค๋‹ˆ ๋‹คํ–‰์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
81:02
Dan: Yeah. Andย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
81:03
we just saw each other and neighborsย  mostly. So that was kind of like...
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ฃผ๋กœ ์„œ๋กœ์™€ ์ด์›ƒ์„ ๋ณด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ผ์ข…์˜...
81:06
Vanessa: Yeah. It's nice to have other people in our lives.
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Vanessa: ๋„ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์‚ถ์— ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ข‹์€ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
81:08
Dan: We had friends, but it justย ย 
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Dan: ์นœ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ
81:10
felt different. Even though all of you are ourย  friends, but we don't get to see you every day.
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๋Š๋‚Œ์ด ๋‹ฌ๋ž์–ด์š”. ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„ ๋ชจ๋‘๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์นœ๊ตฌ์ด์ง€๋งŒ, ๋งค์ผ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์„ ๋งŒ๋‚  ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
81:15
Vanessa: You know what we mean.ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์Šจ ๋œป์ธ์ง€ ์•Œ์ž–์•„์š”.
81:17
Well, thanks for joining me on that parentingย  conversation journey. Now it's time to move onย ย 
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์ €์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์œก์•„ ๋Œ€ํ™” ์—ฌ์ •์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ด์ œ
81:22
to a new page, education. Many of you asked usย  some great questions about education in the US,ย ย 
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๊ต์œก์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ํŽ˜์ด์ง€๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐˆ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งŽ์€ ๋ถ„๋“ค์ด ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ๊ต์œก๊ณผ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ต์œก ๊ฒฝํ—˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ข‹์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ•ด์ฃผ์…จ๊ณ 
81:29
our education experiences, and weย  talk about it for the next bit.ย ย 
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, ์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ๋‹ค์Œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์— ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
81:33
So I hope that you will immerseย  yourself, learn something new,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ๋ชฐ์ž…ํ•˜์—ฌ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋ฉฐ
81:36
and have a great time. Let's go. All right, Dan, are you ready toย ย 
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์ฆ๊ฑฐ์šด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด์‹œ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ‘์‹œ๋‹ค. ์ข‹์•„์š”, Dan. ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌป๋Š”
81:40
get started with the first questionย  that our students have asked us?
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์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ๋˜์…จ๋‚˜์š” ?
81:43
Dan: I'm ready to get educated.
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Dan: ๊ต์œก๋ฐ›์„ ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ๋์–ด์š”.
81:45
Vanessa: All right, let's do it. These education questionsย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•Œ์•˜์–ด, ํ•ด๋ณด์ž. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ต์œก ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€
81:48
were asked by my student Carmen from Italy andย  Mai in Australia. Are you ready for the first one?
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์ดํƒˆ๋ฆฌ์•„์˜ ์ œ ํ•™์ƒ์ธ Carmen๊ณผ ํ˜ธ์ฃผ์˜ Mai๊ฐ€ ๋ฌผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋ฅผ ๋งž์ดํ•  ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ๋˜์…จ๋‚˜์š”?
81:55
Dan: I'm ready.
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81:55
Vanessa: All right. The first question is,ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ๋‚œ ์ค€๋น„๋์–ด.
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•Œ์•˜์–ด. ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€
81:57
what age does school start in the US? That's whereย  we're from, the US. And what does the educationย ย 
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ๋Š” ๋ช‡ ์‚ด์— ํ•™๊ต๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋‚˜์š”? ๊ทธ๊ณณ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์ถœ์‹ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ต์œก
82:04
system look like? So let's start with the firstย  question. What age does school start in the US?
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์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์€ ์–ด๋–ค ๋ชจ์Šต์ธ๊ฐ€์š”? ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ด ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ๋Š” ๋ช‡ ์‚ด์— ํ•™๊ต๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋‚˜์š”?
82:08
Dan: Yeah. Soย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
82:09
a lot of kids go to some kind of schoolย  around four years old. So this would beย ย 
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๋งŽ์€ ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด 4์„ธ์ฏค์— ์–ด๋–ค ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ํ•™๊ต์— ๋‹ค๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ย ย  ์œ ์น˜์›์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
82:14
preschool. And in a lot of cases,ย  this is not provided by the state.
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. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด๋Š” ์ฃผ์—์„œ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
82:19
Vanessa: Yeah,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋„ค,
82:20
this is something that parentsย  have to pay for out of pocket.
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์ด๊ฑด ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์ด ์ง์ ‘ ๋น„์šฉ์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•˜์…”์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์ด์—์š”.
82:23
Dan: And I would say this is kind ofย ย 
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •๋ง ์–ด๋ฆฐ ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
82:25
like daycare except maybe a little more educationย  peppered in, because they're really little kids.
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์ข€ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๊ต์œก์ด ์ถ”๊ฐ€๋œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์„ ์ œ์™ธํ•˜๋ฉด ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์–ด๋ฆฐ์ด์ง‘๊ณผ ๋น„์Šทํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
82:31
Vanessa: Yeah.
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82:31
Dan: And thenย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
Dan: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
82:32
official school is kindergarten, whichย  starts around five or six years old.
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๊ณต์‹ ํ•™๊ต๋Š” ์œ ์น˜์›์ธ๋ฐ, 5~6์„ธ ์ •๋„์— ์‹œ์ž‘๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
82:38
Vanessa: Yeah.
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82:38
Dan: And this is whereย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
Dan: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์—ฌ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€
82:39
real school begins. We're sittingย  and trying to learn our lettersย ย 
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์ง„์งœ ํ•™๊ต๊ฐ€ ์‹œ์ž‘๋˜๋Š” ๊ณณ์ด์—์š”. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•‰์•„์„œ ๋ฌธ์ž
82:42
and alphabet and reading and here'sย  numbers, and all that kind of thing.
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, ์•ŒํŒŒ๋ฒณ, ์ฝ๊ธฐ, ์ˆซ์ž ๋“ฑ์„ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
82:47
Vanessa: Yeah.
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82:47
Dan: And then elementary school would be firstย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
Dan: ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ์ดˆ๋“ฑํ•™๊ต๋Š” 1ํ•™๋…„
82:51
through fifth grade. Yeah, first through fifthย  grade, which is probably what, 7 to 11 or 12?
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๋ถ€ํ„ฐ 5ํ•™๋…„๊นŒ์ง€์ฃ . ๋„ค, 1ํ•™๋…„๋ถ€ํ„ฐ 5ํ•™๋…„๊นŒ์ง€์š” . ์•„๋งˆ 7ํ•™๋…„๋ถ€ํ„ฐ 11ํ•™๋…„์ด๋‚˜ 12ํ•™๋…„์ด๊ฒ ์ฃ ?
82:59
Vanessa: Yeah, yeah.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘, ์‘.
83:00
Dan: Something like that.
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83:00
Vanessa: 10, 11 years old.
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๋Œ„: ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฑฐ์š”.
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: 10์‚ด, 11์‚ด์ด์—์š”.
83:01
Dan: Yep. And then it movesย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ
83:03
on to middle school, which is everybody'sย  favorite time of existence, 12 to 14 ish.
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๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” 12~14์‹œ์ธ ์ค‘ํ•™๊ต๋กœ ์ด๋™ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
83:09
Vanessa: This is a great example of sarcasm.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์ด๊ฑด ํ’์ž์˜ ์ข‹์€ ์˜ˆ์•ผ.
83:11
Dan: Oh,ย ย 
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83:11
yes. This is sarcasm. Yeah, middle school,ย  not known for being the most fun time.
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๋Œ„: ์•„,
๋„ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ํ’์ž์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋„ค, ์ค‘ํ•™๊ต๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์šด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
83:16
Vanessa: No.
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83:16
Dan: And it's funny becauseย ย 
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Vanessa: ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”.
Dan: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
83:17
a lot of kids are moving at this time. They couldย  be going to a different school, different classes.
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์ด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์— ๋งŽ์€ ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ์›€์ง์ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํ•™๊ต, ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ฐ›์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
83:24
Vanessa: Yeah.
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83:24
Dan: And then you'reย ย 
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83:24
going through this awkward time inย  your life and here's some other newย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
Dan: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ธ์ƒ
์—์„œ ์ด ์–ด์ƒ‰ํ•œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ  ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด
83:28
people for you. It'll be fun. Soย  yeah, that's an interesting time.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ์„ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ , ์ •๋ง ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด๊ตฐ์š”.
83:32
Vanessa: Usually middleย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋ณดํ†ต
83:33
school has the stereotype of beingย  pretty rough, pretty tricky. And thenย ย 
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์ค‘ํ•™๊ต๋Š” ๊ฝค ๊ฑฐ์น ๊ณ  ๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กญ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ณ ์ •๊ด€๋…์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š” . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
83:36
after middle school is high school. Andย  by that point you're what, 14 years old?
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์ค‘ํ•™๊ต๊ฐ€ ์ง€๋‚˜๋ฉด ๊ณ ๋“ฑํ•™๊ต๊ฐ€ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์‹œ์ ์— ๋‹น์‹ ์€ 14์‚ด์ด ๋˜์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
83:41
Dan: You're a real man.
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๋Œ„: ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ง„์งœ ๋‚จ์ž์˜ˆ์š”.
83:42
Vanessa: 14 through 18 years old,ย ย 
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Vanessa: 14์„ธ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ 18์„ธ๊นŒ์ง€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
83:44
so you're not right at the beginning,ย  at the cusp of puberty. Instead,ย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์‚ฌ์ถ˜๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์‹œ์ž‘๋˜๋Š” ์‹œ์ ์—๋Š”ย  ์˜ณ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋Œ€์‹ ์—,
83:48
you're a little further in andย  maybe a little more mature, maybe.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ข€ ๋” ๋ฐœ์ „ํ•˜๊ณ  ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ์„ฑ์ˆ™ํ–ˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
83:52
Dan: Ninth grade is still kind of awkward.
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Dan: 9ํ•™๋…„์€ ์•„์ง ์ข€ ์–ด์ƒ‰ํ•ด์š”.
83:54
Vanessa: Ninth grade is still pretty rough.
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Vanessa: 9ํ•™๋…„์€ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ โ€‹โ€‹๊ฝค ํž˜๋“  ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด์—์š”.
83:56
Dan: When you're inย ย 
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Dan:
83:57
ninth grade and you're 14 or 15 and then you seeย  a 17 or 18 year old, a lot of the, especially-
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9ํ•™๋…„์ด๊ณ  14์„ธ ๋˜๋Š” 15์„ธ์ธ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ 17์„ธ ๋˜๋Š” 18์„ธ๋ฅผ ๋งŽ์ด ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํŠนํžˆ-
84:00
Dan: And then you see a 17ย ย 
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Dan: 17์„ธ
84:01
or 18 year old, a lot of the...ย  especially if you're a guy like me,ย ย 
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๋˜๋Š” 18์„ธ๋ฅผ ๋งŽ์ด ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ... ํŠนํžˆ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋‚˜ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋‚จ์ž๋ผ๋ฉด,
84:05
puberty can hit all of a sudden and thenย  you'll be a man versus like I was a boy.
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์‚ฌ์ถ˜๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ‘์ž๊ธฐ ๋‹ฅ์น  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์†Œ๋…„์ด์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋‚จ์ž๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
84:10
Vanessa: A little boy when you're in ninth grade.
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Vanessa: 9ํ•™๋…„ ๋•Œ์˜ ์–ด๋ฆฐ ์†Œ๋…„์ด์—ˆ์ฃ .
84:12
Dan: Hi guys.
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๋Œ„: ์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„.
84:14
Vanessa: Yeah. So this is the typical progression ofย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ํ•™๊ต์˜ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ์ง„ํ–‰ ๊ณผ์ •
84:17
school and there's a couple different optionsย  in the US. You could go to public school,ย ย 
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์ด๋ฉฐ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—๋Š” ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์˜ต์…˜์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋ฌด๋ฃŒ๋กœ ๊ณต๋ฆฝํ•™๊ต์— ๋‹ค๋‹ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
84:22
which is free. It's paid for by your taxes. Soย  if you pay taxes, it's technically not free.
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. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์„ธ๊ธˆ์œผ๋กœ ์ง€๋ถˆ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์„ธ๊ธˆ์„ ๋‚ฉ๋ถ€ํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฌด๋ฃŒ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
84:29
Dan: Free, not free.
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๋Œ„: ๋ฌด๋ฃŒ์•ผ, ๋ฌด๋ฃŒ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์•ผ.
84:30
Vanessa: Yes, free, not free. It's paidย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋„ค, ๋ฌด๋ฃŒ์˜ˆ์š”. ๋ฌด๋ฃŒ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์—์š”. ์ด๋Š”
84:32
for by the state. You could go to public school,ย  you could go to a public charter school. So thisย ย 
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์ฃผ์ •๋ถ€์—์„œ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ณต๋ฆฝํ•™๊ต์— ๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ , ๊ณต๋ฆฝ ์ฐจํ„ฐ ์Šค์ฟจ์— ๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ฐจํ„ฐ ์Šค์ฟจ์— ๊ฐ€๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ถ”๊ฐ€
84:38
is kind of a nuance where you don't have to payย  extra to go to a charter school, but it's somehow-
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๋น„์šฉ์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•  ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์—†๋‹ค๋Š” ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๋‰˜์•™์Šค์ธ๋ฐ , ์–ด์จŒ๋“ -
84:46
Dan: It's run privately.
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Dan: ๋น„๊ณต๊ฐœ๋กœ ์šด์˜๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
84:47
Vanessa: It's run privately,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋น„๊ณต๊ฐœ๋กœ ์šด์˜๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด
84:48
it's smaller. Usually the programs have aย  little bit higher quality. And to get intoย ย 
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๊ทœ๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ๋” ์ž‘์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์˜ ํ’ˆ์งˆ์ด ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๋” ๋†’์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
84:53
a charter school, you often need to do aย  lottery. And this isn't like the lotteryย ย 
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์ฐจํ„ฐ ์Šค์ฟจ์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€๋ ค๋ฉด ์ข…์ข… ๋ณต๊ถŒ์„ ๋ฐ›์•„์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฒƒ์€
84:58
where you try to win a million dollars. Thisย  is where you just sign up and they pull aย ย 
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๋ฐฑ๋งŒ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์— ๋‹น์ฒจ๋˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋Š” ๋ณต๊ถŒ๊ณผ๋„ ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์ž…๋งŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด
85:03
kid's name out of a hat. Totally random. Andย  if you get it, you get it. And if you don't,ย ย 
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๋ชจ์ž์—์„œ ์•„์ด์˜ ์ด๋ฆ„์„ ๊บผ๋ƒ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋ฌด์ž‘์œ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์–ป์œผ๋ฉด ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๋ฉด,ย ย  ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€
85:08
you don't. So it's not based on your income,ย  it's not based on where you live, because mostย ย 
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์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ด๋Š” ์†Œ๋“์ด๋‚˜ ๊ฑฐ์ฃผ ์ง€์—ญ์„ ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜
85:14
public schools are based on where you live. Youย  have to go to the school in your neighborhood.
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๊ณต๋ฆฝํ•™๊ต๋Š” ๊ท€ํ•˜๊ฐ€ ๊ฑฐ์ฃผํ•˜๋Š” ์ง€์—ญ์„ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜์œผ๋กœ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋™๋„ค์— ์žˆ๋Š” ํ•™๊ต์— ๊ฐ€์•ผ ํ•ด์š”.
85:19
Dan: Yeah.
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85:19
Vanessa: But a charter school,ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘.
Vanessa: ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ฐจํ„ฐ ์Šค์ฟจ์€,
85:20
especially if you live in an area that's reallyย  poor, well your school is probably not goingย ย 
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ํŠนํžˆ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ€๋‚œํ•œ ์ง€์—ญ์— ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด , ์Œ, ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ํ•™๊ต๋Š” ์•„๋งˆ๋„
85:24
to be very high quality. And there's a lot ofย  controversy about that because kind of a cycle.
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๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ๋†’์€ ์ˆ˜์ค€์€ ์•„๋‹ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์ˆœํ™˜์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งŽ์€ ๋…ผ๋ž€์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
85:29
Dan: Yeah, it's definitely a cycle.
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Dan: ๋„ค, ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์ˆœํ™˜์ด์—์š”.
85:30
Vanessa: You don't have asย ย 
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Vanessa:
85:31
many resources to get out of poverty and all ofย  that. So we've got public school, charter school,ย ย 
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๋นˆ๊ณค๊ณผ ๊ทธ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž์›์ด ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ ๋งŽ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ณต๋ฆฝํ•™๊ต, ์ฐจํ„ฐ์Šค์ฟจ,
85:37
private school. I have a little statistic hereย  I looked up in advance. Fancy. Private schools,ย ย 
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์‚ฌ๋ฆฝํ•™๊ต๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ํ†ต๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฏธ๋ฆฌ ์ฐพ์•„๋ดค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํŒฌ์‹œํ•œ. ์‚ฌ๋ฆฝ ํ•™๊ต,
85:42
9% of students go to a private school and parentsย  have to pay extra for a private school. It couldย ย 
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9%์˜ ํ•™์ƒ์ด ์‚ฌ๋ฆฝ ํ•™๊ต์— ๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๊ณ  ํ•™๋ถ€๋ชจ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋ฆฝ ํ•™๊ต์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ๋น„์šฉ์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
85:50
be a religious private school, it could beย  a secular private school. Our child, Theo-
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์ข…๊ต์ ์ธ ์‚ฌ๋ฆฝํ•™๊ต์ผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ , ์„ธ์†์ ์ธ ์‚ฌ๋ฆฝํ•™๊ต์ผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด Theo-
85:56
Dan: He'sย ย 
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋Š”
85:57
probably in the 1% becauseย  he goes to a "nature" school.
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'์ž์—ฐ' ํ•™๊ต์— ๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์•„๋งˆ๋„ 1%์— ์†ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
86:01
Vanessa: It's not religious based.
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Vanessa: ์ข…๊ต์  ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ์—์š”.
86:02
Dan: He's in the 0.5%.
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๋Œ„: ๊ทธ๋Š” 0.5%์— ์†ํ•ด์š”.
86:03
Vanessa: It's a very unusual private school. Butย ย 
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Vanessa: ์•„์ฃผ ํŠน์ดํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋ฆฝํ•™๊ต์˜ˆ์š”. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
86:06
there's also other types of private schools likeย  in nature school where half of the day they spendย ย 
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ํ•˜๋ฃจ์˜ ์ ˆ๋ฐ˜์„
86:14
time outside in the woods or the teachers try toย  incorporate the outside nature into the lessons.
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์ˆฒ ์†์—์„œ ๋ณด๋‚ด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ต์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์™ธ๋ถ€ ์ž์—ฐ์„ ์ˆ˜์—…์— ํ†ตํ•ฉํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๋Š” ์ž์—ฐ ํ•™๊ต์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์œ ํ˜•์˜ ์‚ฌ๋ฆฝ ํ•™๊ต๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
86:22
Dan: A lot of times these schools will call themselvesย ย 
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Dan: ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ํ•™๊ต๋Š” ์Šค์Šค๋กœ๋ฅผ
86:24
"alternative education". So that just means,ย  "We're trying to do something different here".
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'๋Œ€์•ˆ ๊ต์œก'์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฆ‰, '์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค'๋ผ๋Š” ์˜๋ฏธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
86:30
Vanessa: And there'sย ย 
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86:30
varying degrees of quality. Just because you'reย  paying for it doesn't mean that it's going toย ย 
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
ํ’ˆ์งˆ์—๋Š” ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์ •๋„๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„์šฉ์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•ด์„œ
86:35
be vastly better quality than the free publicย  school. So if you come to the US and you think,ย ย 
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๋ฌด๋ฃŒ ๊ณต๋ฆฝํ•™๊ต๋ณด๋‹ค ํ’ˆ์งˆ์ด ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์ข‹๋‹ค๋Š” ์˜๋ฏธ๋Š” ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์— ์˜ค์…”์„œ
86:42
"I want my kid to have the best education,ย  I think I can afford to pay for privateย ย 
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'๋‚ด ์•„์ด๊ฐ€ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ๊ต์œก์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์œผ๋ฉด ์ข‹๊ฒ ์–ด, ์‚ฌ๋ฆฝํ•™๊ต ๋“ฑ๋ก๊ธˆ์€ ๊ฐ๋‹นํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„
86:46
school," make sure you check it out firstย  and make sure that it's actually the qualityย ย 
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'๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹ ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๋จผ์ € ํ™•์ธํ•ด ๋ณด์‹œ๊ณ  ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ํ’ˆ์งˆ์ด ์ข‹์€์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ•˜์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
86:50
that you want. There are a lot of scholarshipsย  actually. So the school that our son goes to,ย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์›ํ•˜๋Š”. ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์žฅํ•™๊ธˆ์ด ๋งŽ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„๋“ค์ด ๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๋Š” ํ•™๊ต์—๋Š”
86:56
a lot of people have an 80% scholarship to go toย  the school, which makes it very affordable. Theย ย 
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80% ์žฅํ•™๊ธˆ์„ ๋ฐ›๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋งŽ์•„ ํ•™๋น„๊ฐ€ ๋งค์šฐ ์ €๋ ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
87:03
state has scholarships, the school providesย  some scholarships. There's some grants givenย ย 
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์ฃผ์—์„œ๋Š” ์žฅํ•™๊ธˆ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๊ณ , ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ๋Š” ์ผ๋ถ€ ์žฅํ•™๊ธˆ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
87:08
to the school to provide scholarships. Soย  they're trying to make it more accessible.
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์žฅํ•™๊ธˆ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ํ•™๊ต์— ์ผ๋ถ€ ๋ณด์กฐ๊ธˆ์ด ์ œ๊ณต๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋” ์‰ฝ๊ฒŒ ์ ‘๊ทผํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
87:12
Dan: Yeah. Most schools, especially private schools andย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ํ•™๊ต, ํŠนํžˆ ์‚ฌ๋ฆฝ ํ•™๊ต ๋ฐ
87:16
anything education related, you're going to findย  a lot of organizations that will try to help kidsย ย 
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๊ต์œก๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ณณ์—์„œ๋Š” ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด
87:22
get into whatever they really, really want. Andย  the government helps with that as well in America.
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์ •๋ง๋กœ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋“  ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ๋•๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์กฐ์ง์„ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ๋„ ์ •๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ฅผ ๋•์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
87:28
Vanessa: I think a lot of it comes down to the parentsย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์ด ๋“ฑ๋กํ•˜๊ณ 
87:30
having the ability to sign up, follow through withย  the applications, sign up for the scholarships.
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, ์‹ ์ฒญ์„œ๋ฅผ ์ž‘์„ฑํ•˜๊ณ , ์žฅํ•™๊ธˆ์— ๋“ฑ๋กํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
87:36
Dan: That doesn't mean it's easy.
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์‰ฝ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋œป์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
87:37
Vanessa: It doesn't mean it's easy, but it is anย ย 
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Vanessa: ์‰ฝ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋œป์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ
87:40
option. There's a fourth option, which is what Danย  experienced when he was a child, homeschooling.
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์„ ํƒ ์‚ฌํ•ญ์ด์—์š”. ๋„ค ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์˜ต์…˜์ด ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, Dan์ด ์–ด๋ ธ์„ ๋•Œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ–ˆ๋˜ ํ™ˆ์Šค์ฟจ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
87:48
Dan: And look at me.
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๋Œ„: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋ฅผ ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
87:49
Vanessa: So interestingly enough,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ์ฐธ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ๊ฒŒ๋„
87:51
what percent of Americans do you think homeschool?ย  This means that generally... don't peak, your mom-
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ธ ์ค‘ ๋ช‡ ํผ์„ผํŠธ๊ฐ€ ํ™ˆ์Šค์ฟจ๋ง์„ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”? ์ฆ‰, ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ... ์ตœ๊ณ ์กฐ์— ๋‹ฌํ•˜์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”, ์—„๋งˆ-
87:56
Dan: This is what I learned in homeschooling.
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Dan: ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ™ˆ์Šค์ฟจ๋ง์—์„œ ๋ฐฐ์šด ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
87:58
Vanessa: Your mom or your dad is your teacher,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋„ˆํฌ ์—„๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์•„๋น ๊ฐ€ ๋„ˆํฌ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜์ด์•ผ.
88:01
usually your mom. And there's local organizationsย  that you can join weekly like a co-op, they callย ย 
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๋Œ€๊ฐœ๋Š” ๋„ˆํฌ ์—„๋งˆ์•ผ. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ˜‘๋™์กฐํ•ฉ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋งค์ฃผ ๊ฐ€์ž…ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ง€์—ญ ์กฐ์ง์ด ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ทธ๋“ค์€
88:07
it a homeschooling co-op. What percent of Americanย  children are homeschooling as of 2021 or 2022?
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์ด๋ฅผ ํ™ˆ์Šค์ฟจ๋ง ํ˜‘๋™์กฐํ•ฉ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 2021๋…„ ๋˜๋Š” 2022๋…„ ํ˜„์žฌ ๋ฏธ๊ตญย ์–ด๋ฆฐ์ด ์ค‘ ๋ช‡ ํผ์„ผํŠธ๊ฐ€ ํ™ˆ์Šค์ฟจ๋ง์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
88:18
Dan: Well, I would've guessedย ย 
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Dan: ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”
88:19
it was very low. See, I think I lookedย  at your phone earlier and saw it.
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๋งค์šฐ ๋‚ฎ์€ ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด์—ˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๋ณด์„ธ์š”, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๊นŒ ๋‹น์‹  ํœด๋Œ€์ „ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ  ๋ณธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
88:25
Vanessa: You did?
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๊ทธ๋žฌ์–ด์š”?
88:26
Dan: Well, you showed it to me,ย ย 
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Dan: ๊ธ€์Ž„, ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๋ณด๊ธฐ
88:28
but I would've guessed like 2% beforeย  seeing that, but I think it's higher.
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์ „์—๋Š” 2% ์ •๋„ ์ง์ž‘ํ–ˆ์„ ํ…๋ฐ , ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๋” ๋†’์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
88:33
Vanessa: Yes, the answer is 7%.
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Vanessa: ๋„ค, ๋Œ€๋‹ต์€ 7%์˜ˆ์š”.
88:35
Dan: Which is pretty high actually.
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Dan: ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ฝค ๋†’์€๋ฐ์š”.
88:37
Vanessa: It's almost theย ย 
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88:37
same amount as go to private school.
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Vanessa:
์‚ฌ๋ฆฝํ•™๊ต์— ๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๋Š” ๊ธˆ์•ก๊ณผ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋น„์Šทํ•ด.
88:39
Dan: Yeah, that's crazy.
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๋Œ„: ์‘, ๋ง๋„ ์•ˆ ๋ผ.
88:40
Vanessa: Yeah, so 7%. And the interesting thing is-
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘, ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ 7%์•ผ. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ์ ์€-
88:42
Dan: I guess it probably bumped up after COVID too.
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Dan: ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์ฝ”๋กœ๋‚˜ ์ดํ›„์—๋„ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ํ˜„์ƒ์ด ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚ฌ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
88:44
Vanessa: Yes, that's the big thing. So before COVID,ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฑฐ์•ผ. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ฝ”๋กœ๋‚˜ ์ด์ „์—๋Š”
88:48
it was I think four or 5%, and now it's 7% andย  it's growing 10% every year. So it's hard toย ย 
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4~5%์˜€๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ 7%์ด๊ณ  ๋งค๋…„ 10%์”ฉ ์„ฑ์žฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ
88:58
talk about those stats. But it's growing everyย  year because of all the changes in education.
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ํ•ด๋‹น ํ†ต๊ณ„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ธฐ๋Š” ์–ด๋ ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ต์œก ๋ถ„์•ผ์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ๋ณ€ํ™”๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ๋งค๋…„ ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
89:03
Dan: Yeah. And publicย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
89:05
school has gotten kind of a bad reputationย  as well. I mean there's varying qualities,ย ย 
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๊ณต๋ฆฝํ•™๊ต๋„ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๋‚˜์œ ํ‰ํŒ์„ ์–ป์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ œ ๋ง์€, ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ํŠน์„ฑ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
89:10
but a lot of people where they live, their schoolย  is not very good. And it is not just teachers,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณณ๊ณผ ํ•™๊ต๋Š” ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ต์‚ฌ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
89:16
it's also the peers you're with. And it'sย  kind of... I don't know. I mean obviouslyย ย 
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๋™๋ฃŒ๋“ค์ด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ผ์ข…์˜... ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”. ๋‚ด ๋ง์€ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ
89:21
I teach at an alternative school, so I am notย  a big fan of the traditional model and I don'tย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋Œ€์•ˆ ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ „ํ†ต์  ๋ชจ๋ธ์„ ํฌ๊ฒŒ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€๋„ ์•Š๊ณ 
89:26
like all the bureaucracy. And not to say thatย  there's not a lot of good-hearted people in theย ย 
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๋ชจ๋“  ๊ด€๋ฃŒ์ฃผ์˜๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€๋„ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ ์— ๋งˆ์Œ์”จ ์ข‹์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋งŽ์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งํ•  ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
89:31
system. I just think that the system is, well,ย  it might sound a little cliche, but it's broken.
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. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์ด ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์ด ์ข€ ์ง„๋ถ€ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋“ค๋ฆด ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๊ณ ์žฅ๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
89:37
Vanessa: Yeah. So those areย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด
89:38
the general options in the US and I think the coolย  thing is that if you choose an alternative option,ย ย 
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์˜ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ์˜ต์…˜์ด๊ณ  ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ์ ์€ ๋Œ€์•ˆ ์˜ต์…˜์ธ
89:47
private school, charter school, homeschooling,ย  it's not seen as very weird. It's unusual. It'sย ย 
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์‚ฌ๋ฆฝํ•™๊ต, ์ฐจํ„ฐ ์Šค์ฟจ, ํ™ˆ์Šค์ฟจ๋ง์„ ์„ ํƒํ•ด๋„ ๋ณ„๋กœ ์ด์ƒํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ณด์ด์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํŠน์ดํ•œ๋ฐ์š”.
89:53
not the majority, but you're not likeย  an outcast. You're not so weird like,ย ย 
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๋Œ€๋‹ค์ˆ˜๋Š” ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ฒ„๋ฆผ๋ฐ›์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€
89:57
"Oh my goodness, you homeschool?" It's notย  like that. Generally it's just, "Oh, okay,ย ย 
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'๋ง™์†Œ์‚ฌ, ํ™ˆ์Šค์ฟจ๋ง ์ค‘์ด์„ธ์š”?'์™€ ๊ฐ™์ด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ด์ƒํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ "์•„, ์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
90:02
someone does something different." I thinkย  that's kind of like in the American culture.
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ๋ฌธํ™”์™€ ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
90:05
Dan: That is very much an American culture thing.
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Dan: ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ๋ฌธํ™”์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
90:08
Vanessa: You try to accept people who do different things.
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Vanessa: ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ด๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•ด์š”.
90:11
Dan: Mm-hmm. And becauseย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์Œ-ํ . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
90:12
we lived in South Korea for a while, we feltย  that difference so big. We never met anybodyย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•œ๊ตญ์—์„œ ํ•œ๋™์•ˆ ์‚ด์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ทธ ์ฐจ์ด๊ฐ€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ํฌ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋Š๊ผˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ํ™ˆ์Šค์ฟจ๋ง์„ ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ๋„ ๋งŒ๋‚œ ์ ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
90:19
who homeschooled there. We met one familyย  and we're like, "Whoa, this is amazing."
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. ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์„ ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ๋Š”๋ฐ '์™€, ์ด๊ฑฐ ์ •๋ง ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•˜๋‹ค'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
90:23
Vanessa: Yeah. Everyone usesย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด
90:25
the same education system and deviating fromย  that norm is really unusual in that culture.
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๋™์ผํ•œ ๊ต์œก ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋ฉฐ ๊ทธ ํ‘œ์ค€์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ ๋ฌธํ™”์—์„œ ์ •๋ง ์ด๋ก€์ ์ธ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
90:29
Dan: Yeah. Or even lookedย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์‹ฌ์ง€์–ด
90:30
down on. But in America, if you do somethingย  different like that people, they may sometimesย ย 
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์–•๋ณด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ฐ€๋” ๊ฐ€์„œ
90:37
go and whisper about it or say, "I don't reallyย  agree with that," but they'll never tell you toย ย 
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๊ท“์†๋ง์„ ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ "๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ •๋ง ๋™์˜ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š” "๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋Œ€๋†“๊ณ ๋Š” ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ ˆ๋Œ€ ๋งํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์ฃ .
90:41
your face that they have a problem with a decisionย  you might make, especially a personal decision.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋‚ด๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฐ์ •, ํŠนํžˆ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ๊ฒฐ์ •.
90:48
Vanessa: And Dan was homeschooled until how old?
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  Dan์€ ๋ช‡ ์‚ด๊นŒ์ง€ ํ™ˆ์Šค์ฟจ๋ง์„ ํ–ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
90:50
Dan: Yes, until 13.
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Dan: ๋„ค, 13์‹œ๊นŒ์ง€์š”.
90:54
Vanessa: 13?
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90:54
Dan: I think. Yes. Until middle school.
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Vanessa: 13์‹œ์š”?
๋Œ„: ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”์š”. ์˜ˆ. ์ค‘ํ•™๊ต๊นŒ์ง€์š”.
90:55
Vanessa: And Dan's pretty cool.
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  Dan์€ ์ •๋ง ๋ฉ‹์žˆ์–ด์š”.
90:56
Dan: Yes,ย ย 
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Dan: ์‘,
90:57
and I feel like homeschooling today isย  way better than it was when I was a kid.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์š”์ฆ˜ ํ™ˆ์Šค์ฟจ๋ง์ด ์–ด๋ ธ์„ ๋•Œ๋ณด๋‹ค ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋‚˜์•„์ง„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„.
91:01
Vanessa: Way more resources.
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Vanessa: ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๋ฆฌ์†Œ์Šค๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
91:02
Dan: I think thatย ย 
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Dan:
91:04
what I experienced, I don't want for my kids, butย  today I can kind of feasibly see how you can buildย ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ œ ์•„์ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์›ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์ผ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์˜ค๋Š˜์€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํŠน์ • ์‚ฌํšŒ์  ๋…ธ์ถœ์„ ๊ตฌ์ถ•ํ•˜๊ณ  ํŠน์ • ๊ทธ๋ฃน์„ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์–ด๋Š ์ •๋„ ํƒ€๋‹นํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
91:12
up certain social exposures, have certainย  groups. There's a ton of resources online.
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. ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ์—๋Š” ์ˆ˜๋งŽ์€ ๋ฆฌ์†Œ์Šค๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
91:18
Vanessa: Yeah. Andย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
91:19
your mom certainly did the best that she could do.
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์—„๋งˆ๋Š” ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์ž์‹ ์ด ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ตœ์„ ์„ ๋‹คํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
91:21
Dan: Oh yeah, my mom did a good job. I think itย ย 
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Dan: ์•„, ์‘, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์—„๋งˆ๊ฐ€ ์ž˜ํ•˜์…จ์–ด. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”
91:23
was just for me personally, I don't think it fitย  what I probably needed as a child looking back.
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๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ €๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ๊ณ , ์–ด๋ ธ์„ ๋•Œ ๋Œ์•„๋ณด๋ฉฐ ํ•„์š”ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์—๋Š” ์ ํ•ฉํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
91:30
Vanessa: You needed moreย ย 
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Vanessa:
91:31
pressure to have deadlines and stuff.
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๋งˆ๊ฐ์ผ ๋“ฑ์„ ์ •ํ•˜๋ ค๋ฉด ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์••๋ฐ•์ด ํ•„์š”ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
91:34
Dan: I needed another authority other thanย ย 
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Dan: ์ €๋Š” ์—„๋งˆ ์™ธ์— ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ถŒ์œ„๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ–ˆ๊ณ 
91:35
my mom and I needed a bigger social circle and aย  little more structured education I think would'veย ย 
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๋” ํฐ ์‚ฌํšŒ์  ๊ด€๊ณ„์™€ ์ข€ ๋” ์ฒด๊ณ„ํ™”๋œ ๊ต์œก์ด ํ•„์š”ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”
91:45
been good for me. Not that my mom wasn't somewhatย  structured, but it is a different kind of thing.
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์ €์—๊ฒŒ ์ข‹์•˜์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์—„๋งˆ๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค์†Œ ์ฒด๊ณ„์ ์ด์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ , ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
91:50
Vanessa: Yeah. Homeschoolingย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
91:51
in the nineties compared to homeschoolingย  now 30 years later. That's crazy. All right,ย ย 
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90๋…„๋Œ€์˜ ํ™ˆ์Šค์ฟจ๋ง๊ณผ 30๋…„์ด ์ง€๋‚œ ํ˜„์žฌ์˜ ํ™ˆ์Šค์ฟจ๋ง์„ ๋น„๊ตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋ฏธ์นœ ์ง“์ด์•ผ. ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‘
91:57
let's go on to question numberย  two. Do most American studentsย ย 
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๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์œผ๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์€
92:01
go to universities after their graduation? Isย  it considered important? Let's talk about ourย ย 
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์กธ์—… ํ›„ ๋Œ€ํ•™์— ๊ฐ€๋‚˜์š”? ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ„์ฃผ๋˜๋‚˜์š”?
92:07
general feel first and then I've got someย  stats about how many people actually go.
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๋จผ์ € ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ๋Š๋‚Œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•œ ๋‹ค์Œ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋Š”์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํ†ต๊ณ„๋ฅผ ์‚ดํŽด๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
92:12
Dan: Yeah, good because I haven't lookedย ย 
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92:12
at the stats. This time I didn't make it that far.
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Dan: ๋„ค, ํ†ต๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์œผ๋‹ˆ ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
. ์ด๋ฒˆ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ๊นŒ์ง€ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
92:15
Vanessa: Let's hear what's inside your heart Dan.
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Vanessa: Dan์˜ ๋งˆ์Œ ์†์— ๋ฌด์—‡์ด ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋“ค์–ด๋ด…์‹œ๋‹ค.
92:16
Dan: So I think yes,ย ย 
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Dan: ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
92:18
people generally go to, we wouldย  say college, but I think a lot ofย ย 
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ€ํ•™์— ๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
92:23
the world would say university. I don'tย  know the percentage, but I would say-
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์„ธ์ƒ์˜ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋Œ€ํ•™์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„์œจ์€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด์š”-
92:28
Vanessa: What's your guess? What's your guess is a good-
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Vanessa: ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ถ”์ธกํ•˜์„ธ์š”? ๋‹น์‹  ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์–ด๋Š ์ •๋„๊ฐ€ ์ข‹์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๋‚˜์š”-
92:31
Dan: 80? No. 75%.
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Dan: 80? ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”. 75%.
92:33
Vanessa: Wow, really?
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์™€, ์ •๋ง์š”?
92:36
Dan: Yeah.
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๋Œ„: ์‘.
92:37
Vanessa: Okay.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•Œ์•˜์–ด.
92:38
Dan: What is it?
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92:38
Vanessa: Okay.
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๋Œ„: ๋ญ”๋ฐ?
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•Œ์•˜์–ด.
92:39
Dan: No, 92% versus 61%.
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Dan: ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”, 92% ๋Œ€ 61%์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
92:44
Vanessa: I think this is showing your bias because-
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Vanessa: ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ํŽธ๊ฒฌ์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด-
92:49
Dan: 50%. I don't know which way the bias is.
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Dan: 50%. ํŽธ๊ฒฌ์ด ์–ด๋–ค ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์ธ์ง€๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
92:51
Vanessa: Let's say that. So for us, we have aย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•ด๋ณด์ž. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š”
92:54
four year degree, and that's what you call it whenย  you go to college for four years, you could have aย ย 
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4๋…„์ œ ํ•™์œ„๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋Œ€ํ•™์— 4๋…„์ œ ๋Œ€ํ•™์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฉด
92:58
two year degree, it's called an associate'sย  degree or a four year degree. And we haveย ย 
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2๋…„์ œ ํ•™์œ„๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ  ์ค€ํ•™์‚ฌ ํ•™์œ„ ๋˜๋Š” 4๋…„์ œ ํ•™์œ„๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฅด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
93:04
four year degrees. And I think there's been someย  studies that show if you have a four year degree,ย ย 
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4๋…„์ œ ํ•™์œ„๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  4๋…„์ œ ํ•™์œ„๋ฅผ ์ทจ๋“ํ•œ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ
93:09
most of the people in your social circle also haveย  the same or close to the same level of education.
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์‚ฌํšŒ๊ณ„์— ์†ํ•œ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๋„ ๋™์ผํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ ๊ต์œก์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ์—ฐ๊ตฌ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
93:15
Dan: Everybody I know is educated.
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Dan: ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์•„๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ต์œก์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
93:16
Vanessa: So that's why you think it's so high.
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋†’๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๊ตฐ์š”.
93:19
Dan: Dang it. I should have thought about that.
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๋Œ„: ์  ์žฅ. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค.
93:21
Vanessa: Okay, so let's compare 1990 to 2021. In 1990,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ์ข‹์•„์š”, ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ 1990๋…„๊ณผ 2021๋…„์„ ๋น„๊ตํ•ด ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 1990๋…„์—๋Š”
93:29
the people who graduated high school were 77%.ย  So 77% of students graduated from high schoolย ย 
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๊ณ ๋“ฑํ•™๊ต๋ฅผ ์กธ์—…ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด 77%์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ํ•™์ƒ์˜ 77%๊ฐ€ ๊ณ ๋“ฑํ•™๊ต๋ฅผ ์กธ์—…
93:37
and 20% of people graduated from college. Okay.ย  2021, 91% of people graduated from high school,ย ย 
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ํ•˜๊ณ ย ย 20%์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋Œ€ํ•™์„ ์กธ์—…ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ข‹์•„์š”. 2021๋…„์—๋Š” 91%์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ณ ๋“ฑํ•™๊ต๋ฅผ ์กธ์—…ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
93:48
so much higher percentage rate. Andย  38% of people graduate from college.
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ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๋†’์€ ๋น„์œจ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  38%์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋Œ€ํ•™์„ ์กธ์—…ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
93:54
Dan: I'm way off.
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93:54
Vanessa: Yeah. So it is higher.
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๋Œ„: ๋‚œ ์•„์ง ๋ฉ€์—ˆ์–ด.
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋” ๋†’์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
93:55
Dan: It has bumped up a lot though.
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋ž˜๋„ ๋งŽ์ด ์˜ฌ๋ž์–ด์š”.
93:56
Vanessa: And all of the chartsย ย 
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
93:57
that I saw were all going up. So finishing highย  school and college are definitely on the rise.ย ย 
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ณธ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ฐจํŠธ๊ฐ€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ƒ์Šนํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ณ ๋“ฑํ•™๊ต์™€ ๋Œ€ํ•™๊ต๋ฅผ ์กธ์—…ํ•˜๋Š” ๋น„์œจ์ด ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
94:04
Not 70% or whatever you said, but if it probablyย  is 70% of the people we know, which I think isย ย 
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70%๋Š” ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๋Œ€๋กœ๋ผ๋ฉด ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ 70%์ผ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”
94:10
quite interesting, and that's kind of part of theย  cycle of education I think that if you don't knowย ย 
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์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ๊ณ  ๊ต์œก ์ฃผ๊ธฐ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
94:15
anyone who's been to college, it probably won'tย  be a priority for you. And it will be harder forย ย 
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๋Œ€ํ•™์— ์ง„ํ•™ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์šฐ์„ ์ˆœ์œ„๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
94:20
you to go because you won't have people who knowย  how that process works and all of that. But if youย ย 
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๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ •์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ง„ํ–‰๋˜๋Š”์ง€ ๋“ฑ์„ ์•„๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ฐ€๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋” ์–ด๋ ค์šธ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋„
94:26
been to college like us, it will be easier for ourย  kids to do that process because we've been there.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋Œ€ํ•™์— ๋‹ค๋…”๋‹ค๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋„ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ •์„ ๋” ์‰ฝ๊ฒŒ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
94:31
Dan: Yes. I'm gladย ย 
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๋Œ„: ๋„ค.
94:32
I could be instructive of a fallacy,ย  but my personal experience, but...
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์˜ค๋ฅ˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ตํ›ˆ์„ ์ค„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์„œ ๊ธฐ์˜๋„ค์š”. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด์ง€๋งŒ...
94:37
Vanessa: Well, thanksย ย 
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Vanessa: ์Œ,
94:38
for being willing to be the fallacyย  in front of millions of people online.
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์˜จ๋ผ์ธ์—์„œ ์ˆ˜๋ฐฑ๋งŒ ๋ช…์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค ์•ž์—์„œ ๊ธฐ๊บผ์ด ์˜ค๋ฅ˜๊ฐ€ ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
94:42
Dan: Yes. You're welcome everybody.
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๋Œ„: ๋„ค. ๋ชจ๋‘๋“ค ์ฒœ๋งŒ์—์š”.
94:43
Vanessa: But this is alsoย ย 
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Vanessa: ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋˜ํ•œ
94:44
a part two of the question.ย  Is it considered important?
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์งˆ๋ฌธ์˜ ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ„์ฃผ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
94:47
Dan: Oh,ย ย 
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Dan: ์•„,
94:49
well, again, this probably goes to yourย  social circle because in my social circleย ย 
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์Œ, ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ œ ์†Œ์…œ ์„œํด์—์„œ๋Š”
94:53
it was super important, and I thinkย  this is probably family by family.
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๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ–ˆ๊ณ  ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ฐ€์กฑ ๋Œ€ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์ผ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ์†Œ์…œ ์„œํด์— ์ „๋‹ฌ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
94:58
Vanessa: I would sayย ย 
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94:58
it's almost expected if yourย  parents are college graduates.
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Vanessa:
๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์ด ๋Œ€ํ•™ ์กธ์—…์ž๋ผ๋ฉด ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋‹น์—ฐํ•œ ์ผ์ด๊ฒ ์ฃ  .
95:02
Dan: Definitely.
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95:02
Vanessa: It's almost expectedย ย 
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๋Œ„: ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด์ฃ .
Vanessa: ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์˜ˆ์ƒ๋˜๋Š” ์ผ์ด์ฃ .ย ย  ๋‹น์—ฐํžˆ
95:03
of course you'll go to college.
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๋Œ€ํ•™์— ๊ฐˆ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
95:05
Dan: However,ย ย 
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ,
95:06
I think I have heard from certain... likeย  our neighbor, I think she said she was theย ย 
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์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒํ•œํ…Œ ๋“ค์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ... ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ด์›ƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ, ์ž๊ธฐ๊ฐ€
95:11
first to go to college and it was looked upon asย  great, but it wasn't expected. But as a society,ย ย 
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๋Œ€ํ•™์— ์ œ์ผ ๋จผ์ € ๊ฐ”๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ๊ณ , ๋ฉ‹์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ํ‰๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์•˜๋Š”๋ฐ, ์˜ˆ์ƒ์€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์‚ฌํšŒ๋กœ์„œ๋Š”
95:21
it is definitely encouraged. Like there's adsย  playing on the TV and YouTube and every teacherย ย 
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ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์žฅ๋ ค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. TV์™€ YouTube์— ๊ด‘๊ณ ๊ฐ€ ์žฌ์ƒ๋˜๊ณ  ๋ชจ๋“  ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜์ด
95:30
will tell you going to college... and I'm justย  going to say university because more people sayย ย 
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๋Œ€ํ•™์— ๊ฐ€๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹ค ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค... ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
95:34
that probably, going to university is going toย  be a great benefit to your life and all thisย ย 
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋Œ€ํ•™์— ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ธ์ƒ์— ํฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ €๋Š” ๋‹จ์ง€ ๋Œ€ํ•™์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ชจ๋“ 
95:39
kind of stuff. So I think that is definitelyย  pushed in society. That probably is anotherย ย 
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๊ฒƒ. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์‚ฌํšŒ์—์„œ ์ถ”์ง„๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์•„๋งˆ๋„
95:44
reason why I think that a lot of people go, butย  I'm also forgetting about how expensive it is.
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๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ„๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ด์œ ์ผ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ์ด ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋น„์‹ผ์ง€๋„ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
95:51
Vanessa: Yeah. The other thing is that it's-
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ ์€-
95:54
Dan: For a lot of schools.
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95:54
Vanessa: It's really expensive. I would sayย ย 
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Dan: ๋งŽ์€ ํ•™๊ต์— ํ•ด๋‹น๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์ •๋ง ๋น„์‹ธ์š”.
95:57
anywhere between 30,000 and $200,000 for a fourย  year degree, depending on if you go to a communityย ย 
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์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆํ‹ฐ
96:05
college or if you go to a state school or if youย  go to a private school, it can range anywhere inย ย 
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์นผ๋ฆฌ์ง€์— ๊ฐ€๋Š”์ง€, ์ฃผ๋ฆฝ ํ•™๊ต์— ๊ฐ€๋Š”์ง€, ์‚ฌ๋ฆฝ ํ•™๊ต์— ๊ฐ€๋Š”์ง€์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ 4๋…„์ œ ํ•™์œ„์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ 30,000~200,000๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ •๋„๊ฐ€ ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
96:11
there. And that's a big burden for a young personย  starting off in their career to have to pay.
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. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฒฝ๋ ฅ์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ์ Š์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋น„์šฉ์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ํฐ ๋ถ€๋‹ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
96:17
Dan: The state schools aren't cheap or free?
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๋Œ„: ๊ณต๋ฆฝํ•™๊ต๋Š” ์‹ธ์ง€๋„ ์•Š๊ณ  ๋ฌด๋ฃŒ๋„ ์•„๋‹Œ๋ฐ์š”?
96:21
Vanessa: They're not cheap, and they're not free.
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Vanessa: ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ๋„ ์ €๋ ดํ•˜์ง€๋„ ์•Š๊ณ  ๋ฌด๋ฃŒ๋„ ์•„๋‹ˆ์—์š”.
96:23
Dan: Okay.
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96:23
Vanessa: They're cheaperย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์•Œ์•˜์–ด.
Vanessa:
96:24
than private schools. It's aย  very complicated system. But-
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์‚ฌ๋ฆฝํ•™๊ต๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ์ €๋ ดํ•ด์š”. ๋งค์šฐ ๋ณต์žกํ•œ ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ-
96:28
Dan: I think I'mย ย 
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96:28
a little ignorant in this realm because Iย  haven't thought about college in a while.ย ย 
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Dan: ์ œ๊ฐ€
ํ•œ๋™์•ˆ ๋Œ€ํ•™์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด ๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์—†์–ด์„œ ์ด ๋ถ„์•ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋ฌด์ง€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
96:33
But we went to a small private school andย  that's known for being pretty expensive.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์†Œ๊ทœ๋ชจ ์‚ฌ๋ฆฝํ•™๊ต๋ฅผ ๋‹ค๋…”๋Š”๋ฐ ํ•™๋น„๊ฐ€ ๊ฝค ๋น„์‹ธ๊ธฐ๋กœ ์œ ๋ช…ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
96:39
Vanessa: For me, I had to getย ย 
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Vanessa: ์ €๋Š”
96:42
a lot of scholarships to go to that school, so Iย  applied for tons of scholarships. The school alsoย ย 
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๊ทธ ํ•™๊ต์— ๊ฐ€๋ ค๋ฉด ์žฅํ•™๊ธˆ์„ ๋งŽ์ด ๋ฐ›์•„์•ผ ํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์žฅํ•™๊ธˆ์„ ์—„์ฒญ๋‚˜๊ฒŒ ์‹ ์ฒญํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ ํ•™๊ต์—๋„
96:48
had scholarships, and it was pretty much requiredย  if I was going to go to that school, I had to haveย ย 
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์žฅํ•™๊ธˆ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ํ•„์ˆ˜์˜€์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ ํ•™๊ต์— ๊ฐ€๋ ค๋ฉด
96:53
a lot of money already paid for, otherwise it wasย  just too expensive. But I think it's interestingย ย 
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์ด๋ฏธ ๋งŽ์€ ๋ˆ์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•ด์•ผ ํ–ˆ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋น„์ŒŒ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
97:00
because of our experience, we felt, I can speakย  for you too, we felt pretty burdened. Even thoughย ย 
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๊ฒฝํ—˜์ƒ, '๋‚˜๋„ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค'๋Š” ๋Š๋‚Œ์ด ๋“ค์—ˆ๊ณ , ๊ฝค ๋ถ€๋‹ด์Šค๋Ÿฌ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
97:05
we had scholarships, we felt pretty burdenedย  post-college to pay back our student loans.ย 
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์žฅํ•™๊ธˆ์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Œ์—๋„ ๋ถˆ๊ตฌํ•˜๊ณ  ๋Œ€ํ•™ ์กธ์—… ํ›„ ํ•™์ž๊ธˆ ๋Œ€์ถœ์„ ๊ฐš๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ๊ฝค ๋ถ€๋‹ด๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๊ผˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
97:12
When you start off your life, your adult lifeย  in debt, that's so hard. And my parents triedย ย 
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์ธ์ƒ์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋ฉด ์„ฑ์ธ์ด ๋˜์–ด ๋นš์„ ์ง€๊ณ  ์‚ด์•„๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ •๋ง ํž˜๋“  ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์€
97:18
so hard, they paid a lot of money. I had aย  lot of scholarships and I still had collegeย ย 
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์—ด์‹ฌํžˆ ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜์…”์„œ ๋งŽ์€ ๋ˆ์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์žฅํ•™๊ธˆ๋„ ๋งŽ์ด ๋ฐ›์•˜๊ณ , ์•„์ง
97:23
debt that I had to pay back. So even though Iย  think I was probably starting off in the bestย ย 
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๊ฐš์•„์•ผ ํ•  ๋Œ€ํ•™ ๋นš๋„ ๋‚จ์•„ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์€ ์œ„์น˜์—์„œ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
97:28
possible position, it still felt like a burden.ย  So I think for us, at least for our children,ย ย 
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์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๋ถ€๋‹ด์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ฒŒ ๋Š๊ปด์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ, ์ ์–ด๋„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ์œ„ํ•ด
97:35
I have no idea what the education scene willย  look like in another 15 years, but I think thatย ย 
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์•ž์œผ๋กœ 15๋…„ ํ›„์— ๊ต์œก ํ˜„์žฅ์ด ์–ด๋–ค ๋ชจ์Šต์ผ์ง€ ์ „ํ˜€ ๋ชจ๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ
97:43
we might have a different perspective on collegeย  because we've been there, we know what it's like.ย ย 
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๋Š” ๋Œ€ํ•™์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ด€์ ์„ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ฐ™๋‹ค.
97:49
We know if it helped us or not in our life and howย  expensive it is and if it's worth it. Are thereย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์‚ถ์— ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์—ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์•„๋‹Œ์ง€, ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋น„์‹ผ์ง€, ๊ทธ๋งŒํ•œ ๊ฐ€์น˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
97:57
other alternatives? Yeah. And in our changingย  world, those might be better. I don't know.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋Œ€์•ˆ์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”? ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ณ€ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ์„ธ์ƒ์—์„œ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋” ๋‚˜์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
98:02
Dan:ย 
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98:02
I think it's a cliche among people our age thatย  college is not worth it and that it's just wayย ย 
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Dan:
๋Œ€ํ•™์ด ๊ทธ๋งŒํ•œ ๊ฐ€์น˜๊ฐ€ ์—†๊ณ , ๋Œ€ํ•™์—์„œ
98:09
too expensive for what you get out of it and itย  doesn't really prepare you and all this stuff.
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์–ป๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋น„ํ•ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋น„์‹ธ๊ณ ย  ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ค€๋น„์‹œํ‚ค์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋˜๋ž˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค ์‚ฌ์ด์—์„œ๋Š” ์ง„๋ถ€ํ•œ ๋ง์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
98:14
Vanessa: Mm-hmm. I think if you graduatedย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์Œ-ํ . ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
98:17
2005 to 2010, around that maybe even 2015 inย  that range, you probably feel like us that yourย ย 
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2005๋…„๋ถ€ํ„ฐ 2010๋…„๊นŒ์ง€, ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ทธ ๋ฒ”์œ„์—์„œ 2015๋…„์ฏค์— ์กธ์—…ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜
98:28
degree does not mean you will get a good payingย  job. It's not a given that that will happen.
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ํ•™์œ„๊ฐ€ ์ข‹์€ ๊ธ‰์—ฌ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›๋Š” ์ง์—…์„ ์–ป์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์˜๋ฏธ๋Š” ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋Š๋‚„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ฃผ์–ด์ง„ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
98:37
Dan: Yeah,ย ย 
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98:37
I think initially when we went to college,ย  there was a transitional phase where everything,ย ย 
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Dan: ๋„ค,
์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ์ฒ˜์Œ์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋Œ€ํ•™์— ๊ฐ”์„ ๋•Œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๋น„์‹ธ์ง€๋Š” ๊ณผ๋„๊ธฐ ๋‹จ๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ 
98:44
it was getting a lot more expensive, and thatย  cost benefit analysis was maybe making less sense,ย ย 
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๋น„์šฉ ํŽธ์ต ๋ถ„์„์€ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋œ ์˜๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
98:52
but a lot of our families were still saying theย  same message that you just have to go even ifย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฐ€์กฑ๋“ค์€ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€์ง€ ํ™•์‹คํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋„ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๊ฐ€์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋™์ผํ•œ ๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€๊ฐ€
98:56
you're not even sure what you want to do whichย  was in my case, which I think didn't help me.
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๋‚ด ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋Š” ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
99:01
Vanessa: Well, my job didn't even exist when I wentย ย 
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Vanessa: ๊ธ€์Ž„, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋Œ€ํ•™์— ๊ฐ”์„ ๋•Œ ๋‚ด ์ง์—…์€ ์กด์žฌํ•˜์ง€๋„ ์•Š์•˜์–ด
99:04
to college. This job, teaching English online wasย  not even an option. So I don't know. It is tricky.
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. ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ์œผ๋กœ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์ด ์ง์—…์€ ์„ ํƒ ์‚ฌํ•ญ์กฐ์ฐจ ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฅธ๋‹ค. ๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กญ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
99:11
Dan: Yeah. Andย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
99:12
I don't know exactly what the future...ย  I don't know what the future holds, but-
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๋ฏธ๋ž˜๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ ์ง€๋Š” ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ... ๋ฏธ๋ž˜๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ ์ง€๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ-
99:16
Vanessa: Well, you don't.
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99:16
Dan: I feel like the worldย ย 
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Vanessa: ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”.
Dan: ์ €๋Š”
99:17
changes really, really fast in that I willย  certainly not tell my children they haveย ย 
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์•„์ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋Œ€ํ•™์— ๊ฐ€์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ ˆ๋Œ€ ๋งํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ 
99:22
to go to college and that this will make all theย  difference. I'll be like, "Well, what exactly doย ย 
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๋ณ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜ฌ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ ์—์„œ ์„ธ์ƒ์ด ์ •๋ง, ์ •๋ง ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ๋ณ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋Š๋‚๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ €๋Š” "๊ธ€์Ž„, ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ๋ฌด์—‡์„
99:27
you want to do? Let's get in that program. Let'sย  look at the cost benefit analysis of how much itย ย 
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ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์œผ์‹ ๊ฐ€์š”? ๊ทธ ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•ด ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„์šฉ์ด ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋“œ๋Š”์ง€ ๋น„์šฉ ํŽธ์ต ๋ถ„์„์„ ์‚ดํŽด๋ณด๊ณ  ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์•Œ์•„๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
99:32
costs and really dig in there." Unfortunately,ย  I don't feel like my parents did that, but-
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."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ˆํƒ€๊น๊ฒŒ๋„ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ์…จ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์ง€๋งŒ-
99:38
Vanessa: I think their generation really was theย ย 
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Vanessa: ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ ์„ธ๋Œ€๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง
99:41
last generation who said, "I'll get a universityย  degree and that will give me a good job," and itย ย 
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'๋Œ€ํ•™ ํ•™์œ„๋ฅผ ์ทจ๋“ํ•˜๋ฉด ์ข‹์€ ์ง์—…์„ ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฑฐ์•ผ'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•œ ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ์„ธ๋Œ€์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
99:47
worked. So their expectation was what happenedย  to them, but that's not how it is now. Anyway,ย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ผ์–ด๋‚œ ์ผ์ด์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด์จŒ๋“ 
99:55
who knows what will happen in the next 10 toย  15 years for our kids, but I certainly won'tย ย 
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์•ž์œผ๋กœ 10~15๋…„ ์•ˆ์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚ ์ง€ ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ํ™•์‹คํžˆ
99:59
pressure them and I won't feel disappointedย  if they decide not to go to college as long asย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์••๋ ฅ์„ ๊ฐ€ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ฉฐ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋Œ€ํ•™์— ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๋”๋ผ๋„ ์‹ค๋งํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
100:04
they are independent adults trying to do somethingย  different. And I'm going to transition to the lastย ย 
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๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ผ์„ ํ•ด๋ณด์„ธ์š”. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰
100:11
question and skip one question actually, becauseย  I think you're about to say something about it.
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์งˆ๋ฌธ์œผ๋กœ ์ „ํ™˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์งˆ๋ฌธ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋ฅผ ๊ฑด๋„ˆ๋›ฐ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ท€ํ•˜๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹ค ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
100:17
Dan: Oh, am I?
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100:17
Vanessa: I'm going to guess. Becauseย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์•„, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์ถ”์ธกํ•ด ๋ณผ๊ฒŒ. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉดย ย  ๋Œ€ํ•™ ํ•™์œ„๋ฅผ
100:20
it has to do with what happens if you don't getย  a college degree? Is it hard to find a job if youย ย 
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๋ฐ›์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋ฉด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋Š”์ง€์™€ ๊ด€๋ จ์ด ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ธ๊ฐ€์š” ? ๋Œ€ํ•™ ํ•™์œ„๊ฐ€ ์—†์œผ๋ฉด ์ทจ์—…์ด ์–ด๋ ต๋‚˜์š”
100:25
don't have a university degree? I did a little bitย  of research about this, but what's your gut say?
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? ์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์กฐ๊ธˆ ์กฐ์‚ฌํ•ด ๋ดค๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ง๊ฐ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
100:31
Dan: If youย ย 
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100:31
don't get a university degree,ย  is it harder to get a job?
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Dan:
๋Œ€ํ•™ ํ•™์œ„๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋ฉด ์ทจ์—…ํ•˜๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋” ์–ด๋ ค์›Œ์ง€๋‚˜์š”?
100:34
Vanessa: Yeah. Yeah. Likeย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ์‘. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด,
100:35
if you didn't have a degree right now,ย  would your prospects be more difficult?
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์ง€๊ธˆ ๋‹น์žฅ ํ•™์œ„๊ฐ€ ์—†๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ž ์žฌ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ด ๋” ์–ด๋ ค์šธ๊นŒ์š”?
100:41
Dan: It probably is. I don'tย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์•„๋งˆ ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
100:44
think it has to be, but I do think that... I don'tย  know if I've actually read a study about this,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿด ํ•„์š”๋Š” ์—†์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค... ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์—ฐ๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ์ฝ์—ˆ๋Š”์ง€๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ณ ์šฉ์ฃผ๊ฐ€ ์‚ดํŽด๋ณผ
100:50
but I think I heard in a podcast that is somethingย  that employers will look at and they'll be like,ย ย 
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๋‚ด์šฉ์ด ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ์—์„œ ๋“ค์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋“ค์€
100:56
"All right, check off four year degree."ย  They'll just kind of assume that thatย ย 
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'์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 4๋…„์ œ ํ•™์œ„๋ฅผ ํ™•์ธํ•˜์„ธ์š”.'๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‹จ์ง€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด
101:00
means a lot. So I do think it does meanย  something unfortunately. I don't thinkย ย 
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ํฐ ์˜๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ถˆํ–‰ํ•˜๊ฒŒ๋„ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ์˜๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—”
101:05
it has to be. I think that you can probablyย  really get well-educated without it nowadays,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿด ํ•„์š”๋Š” ์—†์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์š”์ฆ˜์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์—†์–ด๋„ ๊ต์œก์„ ์ •๋ง ์ž˜ ๋ฐ›์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๊ณ , ๋น„์šฉ์„ ๊ณ ๋ ค
101:13
and I think that might even be preferable whenย  you consider how much it costs. So other thanย ย 
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ํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋” ๋ฐ”๋žŒ์งํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
101:19
there's a lot of social experiences, however, aย  lot of the social experiences are getting reallyย ย 
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์‚ฌํšŒ์  ๊ฒฝํ—˜๋„ ๋งŽ์ง€๋งŒ, ์‚ฌํšŒ์  ๊ฒฝํ—˜ ์ค‘ ์ƒ๋‹น์ˆ˜๋Š” ์ˆ ์— ์ทจํ•˜๊ณ 
101:25
drunk and misbehaving and stuff that doesn'tย  really have anything to do with keeping a job.
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๋‚˜์œ ํ–‰๋™์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ง์—… ์œ ์ง€์™€ ์ „ํ˜€ ๊ด€๋ จ์ด ์—†๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
101:29
Vanessa: The stereotypeย ย 
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Vanessa:
101:31
of American college is thatย  you just go there, get drunk,ย ย 
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ ๋Œ€ํ•™์˜ ๊ณ ์ •๊ด€๋…์€ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ ๊ฐ€์„œ ์ˆ ์— ์ทจํ•˜๊ณ 
101:34
sleep with a lot of people, and thenย  maybe you stumble into class once a week.
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๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์ž ์„ ์ž๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์ผ์ฃผ์ผ์— ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ์”ฉ ์šฐ์—ฐํžˆ ์ˆ˜์—…์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ„๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
101:38
Dan: Yeah. It doesn't really make any sense at all.
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ์ „ํ˜€ ์˜๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
101:40
Vanessa: And then you pay lots ofย ย 
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
101:41
money for that. That wasn't my collegeย  experience, but that is certainly-
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๊ทธ ๋Œ€๊ฐ€๋กœ ๋งŽ์€ ๋ˆ์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ . ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‚ด ๋Œ€ํ•™ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
101:44
Dan: Oh, it was there.
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Dan: ์•„, ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
101:45
Vanessa: Certainly what happens to a lot of people.
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Vanessa: ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ฃ .
101:47
Dan:ย 
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๋Œ„:
101:48
Yeah. But I'm still saying that it doesย  unfortunately probably still matter.
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๋„ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ถˆํ–‰ํ•˜๊ฒŒ๋„ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์ค‘์š”ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
101:52
Vanessa: Yeah, I would say that that'sย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋„ค,
101:54
probably the case for specific careers. So what Iย  saw was of course, if you're going to be a doctor,ย ย 
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ํŠน์ • ์ง์—…์— ํ•ด๋‹น๋  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ณธ ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฌผ๋ก  ์˜์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋ ค๋ฉด,
102:01
if you're going to be an engineer, if you're goingย  to be in the medical field, those very specificย ย 
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์—”์ง€๋‹ˆ์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋ ค๋ฉด, ์˜๋ฃŒ ๋ถ„์•ผ์— ์ข…์‚ฌํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋œ๋‹ค๋ฉด
102:06
technical type of jobs that require education,ย  that education is probably necessary. But forย ย 
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๊ต์œก์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ๊ธฐ์ˆ  ์œ ํ˜•์˜ ์ง์—…์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. , ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ต์œก์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
102:12
other careers, what I read online said is aย  college degree necessary, yes and no. The yes wasย ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ง์—…์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ์—์„œ ์ฝ์€ ๋‚ด์šฉ์— ๋”ฐ๋ฅด๋ฉด ๋Œ€ํ•™ ํ•™์œ„๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ, ์•„๋‹ˆ์˜ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
102:19
if you want to be in those specific career fields,ย  yeah, if you're going to be a nurse, go get aย ย 
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ํŠน์ • ์ง์—… ๋ถ„์•ผ์— ์ข…์‚ฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ์˜ˆ, ๊ฐ„ํ˜ธ์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋ ค๋ฉด ๊ฐ€์„œ
102:25
degree in nursing and you'll be fine. I think it'sย  actually even a two year degree. That's amazing.
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๊ฐ„ํ˜ธํ•™ ํ•™์œ„๋ฅผ ์ทจ๋“ํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ์‹ค 2๋…„์ œ ํ•™์œ„์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๊ทธ ๋†€๋ผ์šด.
102:29
Dan: That soundsย ย 
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Dan: ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ
102:30
preferable to me. Some kind of two yearย  program, I feel like you can learn maybeย ย 
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๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๊ตฐ์š”. ์ผ์ข…์˜ 2๋…„ ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์ธ๋ฐ,
102:34
not anything but a lot of things in twoย  years. It doesn't have to be four years.
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2๋…„ ์•ˆ์— ์•„๋ฌด๊ฒƒ๋„ ์•„๋‹Œ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š” . ๊ผญ 4๋…„์ด ๋  ํ•„์š”๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
102:38
Vanessa: But it said if you want aย ย 
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Vanessa: ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
102:40
job that usually says we require a degree or theyย  highly recommend a degree in their application,ย ย 
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์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ•™์œ„๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ์ง์—…์„ ์›ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ง€์›์„œ์—์„œ ํ•™์œ„๋ฅผ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํžˆ ์ถ”์ฒœํ•˜๋Š” ์ง์—…์„ ์›ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
102:47
maybe like a software engineer or somethingย  like this, if you are an assertive person whoย ย 
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด ์—”์ง€๋‹ˆ์–ด๋‚˜ ์ด์™€ ์œ ์‚ฌํ•œ ์ง์—…์„ ์›ํ•˜๊ณ , ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
102:53
has done a lot of alternative experiences, nowย  this takes a specific personality type I think.
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๋งŽ์€ ๋Œ€์•ˆ์„ ํ•ด๋ณธ ๋…๋‹จ์ ์ธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด, ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ๋ฐ”ํƒ•์œผ๋กœ ์ด์ œ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ํŠน์ • ์„ฑ๊ฒฉ ์œ ํ˜•์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
102:58
Dan: Got to have something for that resume.
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Dan: ๊ทธ ์ด๋ ฅ์„œ์— ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•ด์š”.
103:00
Vanessa: Yes, you have a good resume,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋„ค, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ข‹์€ ์ด๋ ฅ์„œ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ ,
103:01
you've interned, you have maybe taken someย  extracurricular classes at the local collegeย ย 
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์ธํ„ด์„ ํ–ˆ๊ณ , ์ง€์—ญ ๋Œ€ํ•™์—์„œ ๊ณผ์™ธ ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋“ค์—ˆ
103:09
or maybe even some online courses about thatย  specific field. It doesn't have to be a degree.
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๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ํŠน์ • ๋ถ„์•ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ ๊ฐ•์ขŒ๋ฅผ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ•ํ–ˆ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ํ•™์œ„์ผ ํ•„์š”๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
103:14
Dan: There's a lot of alternatives out there.
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Dan: ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ๋Œ€์•ˆ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
103:16
Vanessa: That you can by your assertiveness,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ฃผ์žฅ์œผ๋กœ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ,
103:19
which is really what people are looking for often,ย  people who will see a problem and fix the problem,ย ย 
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ž์ฃผ ์ฐพ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ, ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ  ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ํ•ด๊ฒฐํ•  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ,
103:24
the skills can really be taught, but thatย  personality and character quality can'tย ย 
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๊ธฐ์ˆ ์€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์„ฑ๊ฒฉ๊ณผ ์ธํ’ˆ์€ ๊ทธ๋งŒํผ
103:30
be taught as much. So if you show that, then youย  could get in. So for example, this isn't about aย ย 
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๋งŽ์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. . ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ๋ฉด ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ง์—…์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
103:36
job. This is about getting into college. Thereย  was a homeschooler who had been homeschooledย ย 
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. ๋Œ€ํ•™ ์ง„ํ•™์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๋‚ด์šฉ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ‰์ƒ ํ™ˆ์Šค์ฟจ๋ง์„ ํ•˜๋ฉฐ ํฐ ๋Œ€ํ•™์— ์ง„ํ•™ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•˜๋Š” ํ™ˆ์Šค์ฟจ๋Ÿฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
103:43
their entire life and they wanted to get into aย  huge university. I don't think it was Harvard,ย ย 
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. ํ•˜๋ฒ„๋“œ๋Š” ์•„๋‹Œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ,
103:48
but it was a really high level university.ย  And what they did instead is they wrote out,ย ย 
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์ •๋ง ์ˆ˜์ค€ ๋†’์€ ๋Œ€ํ•™์ด๋”๊ตฐ์š”. ๋Œ€์‹  ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ํ•œ ์ผ์€
103:55
of course, every charity they worked with,ย  every volunteer experience, all of this. Butย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผํ•œ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ž์„  ๋‹จ์ฒด, ๋ชจ๋“  ์ž์› ๋ด‰์‚ฌ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ ๋“ฑ์„ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ธฐ๋กํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
104:01
they also wrote a list. The second page of theirย  application was 100 books that I read last year.ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ชฉ๋ก๋„ ์ž‘์„ฑํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€์›์„œ์˜ ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์—๋Š” ์ž‘๋…„์— ์ฝ์€ ์ฑ… 100๊ถŒ์ด ์ ํ˜€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
104:07
Holy cow, that's like two books a week.ย  They wrote out everything that they hadย ย 
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์ด๋Ÿฐ, ์ผ์ฃผ์ผ์— ๋‘ ๊ถŒ์˜ ์ฑ…์ด๊ตฐ์š”.
104:12
read in order and all of this, and it showed theirย  assertiveness, "I'm going to be a good student,ย ย 
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์ฝ์€ ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ˆœ์„œ๋Œ€๋กœ ์ ์–ด๋‚ด๋ฉฐ, "๋‚˜๋Š” ์ข‹์€ ํ•™์ƒ์ด ๋  ๊ฑฐ์•ผ,
104:17
I'm going to be dedicated." And I think for aย  lot of jobs, if you can be outstanding like that,ย ย 
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ํ—Œ์‹ ํ•  ๊ฑฐ์•ผ"๋ผ๋Š” ํ™•๊ณ ํ•œ ์˜์ง€๋ฅผ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์ง์—…์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํƒ์›”ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
104:23
then who cares if you have a degree ideally. Aย  little example too is someone who works for me,ย ย 
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์ด์ƒ์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ•™์œ„๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ์‹ ๊ฒฝ์“ฐ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์ž‘์€ ์˜ˆ๋„ ๋‚˜๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ธ
104:31
Laura. Hi Laura if you're watching, sheย  helps to write some of the sales content,ย ย 
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Laura์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”, Laura๋‹˜, ์ง€๊ธˆ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ํŒ๋งค ์ด๋ฉ”์ผ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ผ๋ถ€ ํŒ๋งค ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ  ์ž‘์„ฑ์„ ๋•๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
104:37
like sales emails. She's called a copywriter.ย  When I interviewed her, I don't even know ifย ย 
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. ์นดํ”ผ๋ผ์ดํ„ฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ, ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด
104:43
she has a college degree, I don't even know herย  official education, but her application process,ย ย 
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๋Œ€ํ•™ ํ•™์œ„๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ณ , ๊ณต์‹ ํ•™๋ ฅ๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฅด์ง€๋งŒ, ์ง€์› ์ ˆ์ฐจ์™€
104:51
her experience, and she had taken the initiativeย  to do some online copywriting classes and had beenย ย 
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๊ฒฝํ—˜, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ฃผ๋„์ ์œผ๋กœ ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ ์นดํ”ผ๋ผ์ดํŒ… ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ํ–ˆ๊ณ ,
105:00
working on and off for some other businessesย  doing their writing as well. So she had thisย ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ธฐ์—…์—์„œ๋„ ๊ธ€์„ ์“ฐ๋Š” ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ฃผ๋„๊ถŒ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ 
105:06
kind of initiative, and that's really what Iย  was looking for, was someone who was organized,ย ย 
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, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ฐพ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด์—ˆ๊ณ , ์ฒด๊ณ„์ ์ด๊ณ ,
105:11
took the initiative, creative, andย  was interested in the job. She hadย ย 
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์ฃผ๋„๊ถŒ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ , ์ฐฝ์˜์ ์ด๋ฉฐ, ์ผ์— ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š”
105:15
taken some classes of her own volition andย  really done it, and that's why I hired her.
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์ž์‹ ์˜ ์˜์ง€๋กœ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ํ•ด๋ƒˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ทธ๋…€๋ฅผ ๊ณ ์šฉํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
105:21
Dan: Yeah.
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105:21
Vanessa: And she's beenย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘.
Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š”
105:22
amazing. Actually, a lot of my studentsย  who join my courses, they say that theirย ย 
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์ •๋ง ๋Œ€๋‹จํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋‚ด ์ฝ”์Šค์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•˜๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์€
105:27
job didn't require them to take Englishย  classes, but they write on their resume,ย ย 
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์ง์—…์ƒ ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋“ค์„ ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์—†๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด๋ ฅ์„œ์—๋Š” Speak English With Vanessa์—์„œ
105:32
completed a three-month English courseย  with Speak English With Vanessa.
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3๊ฐœ์›” ์˜์–ด ์ฝ”์Šค๋ฅผ ์ด์ˆ˜ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
105:37
Dan: Yeah.
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105:37
Vanessa: And this is like the-
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๋Œ„: ์‘.
Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งˆ์น˜-
105:38
Dan: You're an institution.
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Dan: ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ธฐ๊ด€์ด์—์š”.
105:40
Vanessa: It's not a four year degree, it'sย ย 
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Vanessa: 4๋…„์ œ ํ•™์œ„๋„ ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ณ ,
105:42
not an IL certificate, something official likeย  that, but it shows that you took the initiative.
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IL ์ž๊ฒฉ์ฆ๋„ ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ณต์‹์ ์ธ ์ž๊ฒฉ์ฆ๋„ ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ฃผ๋„๊ถŒ์„ ์žก์•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑธ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ๋„ค์š”.
105:47
Dan: I think she's pretty official.
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Dan: ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ ๊ฝค ๊ณต์‹์ ์ธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„.
105:49
Vanessa: And it showed thatย ย 
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€
105:51
you're willing to go the extra mile to try toย  do your best. So I think that's a good exampleย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ตœ์„ ์„ ๋‹คํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๋…ธ๋ ฅ์„ ๊ธฐ์šธ์ผ ์˜ํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด
105:58
of a way that extracurricular educationย  can enhance your career as well. Well,ย ย 
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๊ณผ์™ธ ๊ต์œก์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๊ฒฝ๋ ฅ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ฌ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์˜ ์ข‹์€ ์˜ˆ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ,
106:04
talking about internships, I'm curiousย  in your country, is it common to do anย ย 
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์ธํ„ด์‹ญ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์—์„œ๋Š” ์ธํ„ด์‹ญ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ”ํ•œ์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
106:08
internship? I think in Germany it's maybeย  required that you do a year internship afterย ย 
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๋…์ผ์—์„œ๋Š” ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๋กœ ๊ณ ๋“ฑํ•™๊ต ์กธ์—… ํ›„ 1๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์ธํ„ด์‹ญ์„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
106:14
high school that it is part of the system. I'mย  not sure if you're from Germany, let me know.
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. ๋…์ผ ์ถœ์‹ ์ด์‹ ์ง€ ์ž˜ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•Œ๋ ค์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
106:19
Dan: That soundsย ย 
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106:19
like a better system to me, butย  I don't know if that's real.
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Dan: ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ
๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋“ค๋ฆฌ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ง„์งœ์ธ์ง€๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”.
106:22
Vanessa: That you get real world experience inย ย 
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Vanessa: ์„ธ์ƒ ์—์„œ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์‹ค์ œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ์–ป๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ 
106:24
the world doing something. But I feel like for me,ย  that would've been pretty helpful just to get outย ย 
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. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๊ต์œก ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋งŒ์œผ๋กœ๋„ ๊ฝค ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์—ˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
106:31
of the education system. I felt very overwhelmedย  going from high school to four years of college,ย ย 
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. ์ €๋Š” ๊ณ ๋“ฑํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ๋Œ€ํ•™๊ต 4๋…„์„ ๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๋ฉด์„œ ๋งค์šฐ ๋ถ€๋‹ด๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๊ผˆ๊ณ ,
106:39
and then I had had part-time jobs workingย  in restaurants and these types of things,ย ย 
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๊ทธ ํ›„ ๋ ˆ์Šคํ† ๋ž‘์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์•„๋ฅด๋ฐ”์ดํŠธ๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ
106:44
but nothing like a career. Andย  by my third year of college,ย ย 
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์ง์—…๋งŒํผ ์ข‹์€ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋Œ€ํ•™ 3ํ•™๋…„์ด ๋˜์ž
106:49
I just felt like I just want to go out into theย  real world and try to get a job. I don't want to-
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ํ˜„์‹ค ์„ธ๊ณ„๋กœ ๋‚˜๊ฐ€์„œ ์ทจ์—…์„ ํ•ด๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚œ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์•„-
106:55
Dan: Do something.
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106:55
Vanessa: Yeah, I want to do something. Andย ย 
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Dan: ๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ํ•ด๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘, ๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
106:56
it's not common in the US to take a gap year. Thisย  is a common thing I think in Europe and Australia,ย ย 
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ๋Š” ๊ฐญ ์ด์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ด์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์œ ๋Ÿฝ๊ณผ ํ˜ธ์ฃผ์—์„œ ํ”ํžˆ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
107:02
that after high school, students will takeย  a gap year and go out and do something.
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๊ณ ๋“ฑํ•™๊ต ์กธ์—… ํ›„ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์€ ๊ฐญ ์ด์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ๋‚˜๊ฐ€์„œ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
107:07
Dan: Good job Europe.
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๋Œ„: ์ž˜ํ–ˆ์–ด์š” ์œ ๋Ÿฝ.
107:08
Vanessa: Go be a nanny, go volunteer on a farm.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๊ฐ€์„œ ์œ ๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ๋˜์–ด๋ณด๊ณ , ๋†์žฅ์— ์ž์› ๋ด‰์‚ฌํ•˜๋Ÿฌ ๊ฐ€์„ธ์š”.
107:11
Dan: Yeah, I think when we were-
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Dan: ์‘, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋žฌ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ-
107:13
Vanessa: Go travel in Southeast Asia, do something.
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Vanessa: ๋™๋‚จ์•„์‹œ์•„๋กœ ์—ฌํ–‰์„ ๊ฐ€์„œ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ํ•ด๋ผ.
107:15
Dan: When we were in France that one year, we did meetย ย 
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Dan: ๊ทธ ํ•ด์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค์— ์žˆ์—ˆ์„ ๋•Œ,
107:19
some younger people who seemed to either be takingย  a gap year or doing some kind of intern thing. Iย ย 
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๊ฐญ ์ด์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์ธํ„ด ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ณด์ด๋Š” ์ Š์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๋ช‡ ๋ช… ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
107:25
don't know. I like that a lot. In the US, it'sย  kind of strange that you graduate high school andย ย 
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๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•œ๋‹ค. ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ๋Š” ๊ณ ๋“ฑํ•™๊ต๋ฅผ ์กธ์—…ํ•˜๊ณ 
107:30
you have this big ceremony and congratulations,ย  you get to move on to more school.
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ํฐ ํ–‰์‚ฌ์™€ ์ถ•ํ•˜๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํ•™๊ต๋กœ ์ „ํ•™ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ์ข€ ์ด์ƒํ•ด์š”.
107:35
Vanessa: Yeah,ย ย 
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107:35
I pretty much guarantee that if you were in the USย  and you graduated from high school and you said,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋„ค,
๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ  ๊ณ ๋“ฑํ•™๊ต๋ฅผ ์กธ์—…ํ•˜๊ณ  '
107:42
"I'm going to take a gap year and then I'll decideย  what I want to do," every single person will say,ย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฐญ์ด์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€์ง€ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋งค ์ˆœ๊ฐ„ ์žฅ๋‹ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ๋‹ค์Œ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์ด ๋งํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
107:49
"If you don't go to college now, you're neverย  going to do it. This is your chance to do itย ย 
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"์ง€๊ธˆ ๋Œ€ํ•™์— ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด ์ ˆ๋Œ€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
107:54
now because you'll forget about it or you won'tย  have the motivation to do it, or you'll forgetย ย 
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์ง€๊ธˆ์ด ๊ธฐํšŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ํ•  ๋™๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค." , ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด
107:58
about education and forget about math," theseย  types of things. But in reality, if you're notย ย 
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๊ต์œก๊ณผ ์ˆ˜ํ•™์„ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.' ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š”
108:04
meant to go to college and you wait a year andย  you decide not to go to college, well maybe thatย ย 
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๋Œ€ํ•™์— ๊ฐˆ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ์—†๊ณ  1๋…„์„ ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ ธ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๋Œ€ํ•™์— ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด
108:09
was a better path for you. I don't know. I feelย  a little biased because I saw people doing that,ย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ๊ธธ์ด์—ˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ
108:15
Europeans who were doing that gap year and I feltย  really jealous like, "Oh, I would've loved to doย ย 
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๊ฐญ์ด์–ด๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์œ ๋Ÿฝ์ธ๋“ค์„ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ํŽธ๊ฒฌ์„ ๋Š๋‚€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ, '์•„, ๋‚˜๋„ ์ €๊ฑฐ ํ•ด๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
108:19
that," but it's just not in American culture. Maybe it might start becoming part of it asย ย 
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'๋ผ๊ณ  ์งˆํˆฌ๋ฅผ ๋Š๊ผˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ๋ฌธํ™”์—์„œ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š๋”๋ผ๊ณ ์š”. ์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด
108:25
we learn more about Europe. We're 10ย  years behind Europe in those things,ย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์œ ๋Ÿฝ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋ฉด์„œ ๊ทธ ์ผ๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ๋˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋ฉด์—์„œ ์œ ๋Ÿฝ๋ณด๋‹ค 10๋…„ ๋’ค์ณ์ ธ
108:30
but right now it's not part of American culture.ย  You just do school, possibly more school and then-
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์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ๋ฌธํ™”์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•™๊ต๋งŒ ๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋˜๊ณ , ์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ํ•™๊ต๋ฅผ ๋” ๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๊ณ -
108:35
Dan: Or stop school.
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108:35
Vanessa: Pay back your school with your job. So that'sย ย 
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Dan: ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ํ•™๊ต๋ฅผ ๊ทธ๋งŒ ๋‘์„ธ์š”.
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์ง์—…์œผ๋กœ ํ•™๊ต์— ๋ˆ์„ ๊ฐš์•„๋ผ. ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค์•ผ
108:39
it. All right. Well, thanks so much for joiningย  me on that education journey. I hope that youย ย 
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. ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์€. ์ €์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๊ต์œก ์—ฌ์ •์— ๋™์ฐธํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
108:45
enjoyed immersing yourself over the last two hoursย  with these English conversations. And now I have aย ย 
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์ง€๋‚œ ๋‘ ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ ์ด ์˜์–ด ๋Œ€ํ™”์— ํ‘น ๋น ์ ธ๋“œ์…จ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ
108:52
question for you in the comments, let me know whatย  topic would you like us to have a conversationย ย 
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๋Œ“๊ธ€๋กœ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค์Œ์—๋Š” ์–ด๋–ค ์ฃผ์ œ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€์ง€ ์•Œ๋ ค์ฃผ์„ธ์š”
108:56
about next. You can ask us a topic and youย  can also ask us some questions that you wouldย ย 
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. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์ฃผ์ œ๋ฅผ ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ณด์‹ค ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ , ๋Œ€ํ™”์—์„œ ๋‹ค๋ฃจ์—ˆ์œผ๋ฉด ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ•˜์‹ค ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
109:02
like us to cover in our conversation and maybeย  you'll be lucky and we'll make a video about it.ย 
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์šด์ด ์ข‹์œผ๋ฉด ์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์ œ์ž‘ํ•ด ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
109:07
Well, don't forget to download the free PDFย  worksheet, which includes so much information. Itย ย 
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๋งŽ์€ ์ •๋ณด๊ฐ€ ํฌํ•จ๋œ ๋ฌด๋ฃŒ PDF ์›Œํฌ์‹œํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋‹ค์šด๋กœ๋“œํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์žŠ์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”. ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—๋Š”
109:12
includes every vocabulary, expression, definition,ย  sample sentence, and you can take the quiz at theย ย 
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๋ชจ๋“  ์–ดํœ˜, ํ‘œํ˜„, ์ •์˜, ์˜ˆ๋ฌธ์ด ํฌํ•จ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ํ•™์Šตํ•œ ์–ดํœ˜๋ฅผ
109:19
bottom of the worksheet so that you never forgetย  the vocabulary that you've learned. You can clickย ย 
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์ ˆ๋Œ€ ์žŠ์ง€ ์•Š๋„๋ก ์›Œํฌ์‹œํŠธ ํ•˜๋‹จ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ํ€ด์ฆˆ๋ฅผ ํ’€ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
109:24
on the link in the description to downloadย  that free PDF worksheet today. It's a big one,ย ย 
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์„ค๋ช…์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋งํฌ๋ฅผ ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ์ง€๊ธˆ ๋ฌด๋ฃŒ PDF ์›Œํฌ์‹œํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋‹ค์šด๋กœ๋“œํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํฐ ์ผ์ด์ง€๋งŒ
109:29
but it's all for you, my gift to you. Well, thankย  you so much for learning English with me and I'llย ย 
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๋ชจ๋‘ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์„ ๋ฌผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์›Œ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
109:34
see you again next Friday for a new lesson hereย  on my YouTube channel. Bye. But wait, do youย ย 
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๋‹ค์Œ ์ฃผ ๊ธˆ์š”์ผ์— ์ œ YouTube ์ฑ„๋„์—์„œ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ต™๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์•ˆ๋…•. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ž ๊น๋งŒ์š”.
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want more? I recommend watching this video nextย  where you'll join me and my son, Theo, as we playย ย 
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๋” ์›ํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”? ๋‹ค์Œ์—๋Š” ์ €์™€ ์ œ ์•„๋“ค Theo๊ฐ€ ํ•จ๊ป˜
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a great card game called Uno. You can play thisย  with your family and the kids in your life or theย ย 
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Uno๋ผ๋Š” ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์นด๋“œ ๊ฒŒ์ž„์„ ํ”Œ๋ ˆ์ดํ•˜๋Š” ์ด ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•ด ๋ณด์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ€์กฑ, ์ธ์ƒ์˜ ์–ด๋ฆฐ์ด ๋˜๋Š”
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adults in your life, and you'll learn how to doย  that in English in this video. I'll see you there.
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์–ด๋ฅธ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ด ๊ฒŒ์ž„์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์ด ๋™์˜์ƒ์—์„œ ์˜์–ด๋กœ ํ”Œ๋ ˆ์ดํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์„œ ๋ด.
์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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