Advanced English Conversation: Vocabulary, Grammar, Pronunciation

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Speak English With Vanessa


์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋œ ์ž๋ง‰์€ ๊ธฐ๊ณ„ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

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Vanessa: Hi, I'm Vanessa from SpeakEnglishWithVanessa.com,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”, ์ €๋Š” SpeakEnglishWithVanessa.com์˜ Vanessa์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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and today I'm here with my husband Dan. Dan:ย 
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์˜ค๋Š˜์€ ๋‚จํŽธ Dan๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋Œ„:
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Hello. Vanessa:ย 
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00:07
And are you ready to be immersed in a realย  English conversation? Today we're going toย ย 
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์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”. Vanessa:
์‹ค์ œ ์˜์–ด ๋Œ€ํ™”์— ํ‘น ๋น ์งˆ ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ๋˜์…จ๋‚˜์š” ? ์˜ค๋Š˜์€
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be talking about the topic of parenting. You askedย  us some great questions related to being parents,ย ย 
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์œก์•„์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ์ฃผ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ด ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ท€ํ•˜ ๋Š” ๋ถ€๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์œ ์šฉํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ๋‚จ๊ฒจ์ฃผ์…จ๊ณ ,
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and we're here to answer them. The only twistย  is that Dan does not know what they are yet.ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด์— ๋‹ต๋ณ€ํ•ด ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์œ ์ผํ•œ ๋ฐ˜์ „์€ Dan์ด ์•„์ง ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅธ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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Dan: I don't know the questions,ย ย 
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Dan: ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ,
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but we are parenting experts now. Vanessa:ย 
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์ด์ œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์œก์•„ ์ „๋ฌธ๊ฐ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Vanessa:
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I don't know about that. So we areย  going to be just answering them onย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ฆ‰์„์—์„œ ๋‹ต๋ณ€์„ ์ œ๊ณต
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the fly and giving you some opportunity toย  be immersed in a real English conversation.ย 
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ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ค์ œ ์˜์–ด ๋Œ€ํ™”์— ๋ชฐ์ž…ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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And like always, I have created a free PDFย  worksheet, which is right here over Dan's face.ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์–ธ์ œ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋žฌ๋“ฏ ๋ฌด๋ฃŒ PDF ์›Œํฌ์‹œํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ๊ณ  ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ Dan์˜ ์–ผ๊ตด ์œ„์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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And with this free PDF worksheet, you can downloadย  it and get all of today's important vocabulary,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด ๋ฌด๋ฃŒ PDF ์›Œํฌ์‹œํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋‹ค์šด๋กœ๋“œํ•˜๋ฉด ์˜ค๋Š˜์˜ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์–ดํœ˜,
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phrases, pronunciation. Anything that happensย  in this lesson, you can download it in thatย ย 
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๋ฌธ๊ตฌ, ๋ฐœ์Œ์„ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ๊ฐ•์˜์—์„œ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์ผ์„
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free PDF worksheet. There's a link in theย  description so that you can download itย ย 
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๋ฌด๋ฃŒ PDF ์›Œํฌ์‹œํŠธ๋กœ ๋‹ค์šด๋กœ๋“œํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์„ค๋ช…์— ๋งํฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ
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today and never forget what you've learned. Okay. Are you ready to start with the firstย ย 
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์ง€๊ธˆ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๋‹ค์šด๋กœ๋“œํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฐฐ์šด ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ์žŠ์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”. ์ข‹์•„์š”. ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ๋˜์…จ๋‚˜์š”
01:06
question? Dan:ย 
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01:06
I'm ready. Vanessa:ย 
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? ๋Œ„:
์ค€๋น„๋์–ด์š”. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
01:07
All right. Here it goes. Dan:ย 
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์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๊ฐ„๋‹ค. ๋Œ„:
01:08
What could it be? Vanessa:ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ญ์ฃ ? Vanessa:
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The questions are from Alex from Brazil, Claudioย  also from Brazil, and Vera from Taiwan. They allย ย 
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์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ์˜ Alex, ์—ญ์‹œ ๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ์˜ Claudio, ๋Œ€๋งŒ์˜ Vera๊ฐ€ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค ๋ชจ๋‘๋Š”
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asked questions about parenting, and theย  first one is: What has it been like havingย ย 
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์œก์•„์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ–ˆ๊ณ , ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ '
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three kids so far? Maybe we should give a littleย  background of our children's ages and all of that.ย 
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์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ ์„ธ ๋ช…์˜ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ํ‚ค์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์–ด๋• ๋‚˜์š”? ์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค์˜ ๋‚˜์ด์™€ ๊ทธ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ๋ฐฐ๊ฒฝ ์ง€์‹์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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Dan: How many children do weย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋Š” ๋ช‡ ๋ช…
01:30
have? We do have three, indeed. Vanessa:ย 
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์ด์—์š”? ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์„ธ ๊ฐœ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
01:32
Yes. So we have Theo, who is six now. We haveย  Freddie, who is three. And we have a new baby,ย ย 
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๋„ค. ์ด์ œ ์—ฌ์„ฏ ์‚ด์ด ๋œ ํ…Œ์˜ค๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์„ธ ์‚ด ๋œ ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด ์˜์ƒ์„ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”
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Matilda, who is two months old when you'reย  watching this. Yeah, what's it been like havingย ย 
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์‹œ์ ์—๋Š” ์ƒํ›„ 2๊ฐœ์›”์ด ๋œ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์•„๊ธฐ ๋งˆํ‹ธ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋„ค,
01:45
three kids so far? Dan:ย 
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์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ ์„ธ ๋ช…์˜ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ํ‚ค์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์–ด๋• ๋‚˜์š”? Dan:
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I feel like what we've experienced so far isย  not probably representative of what will happen.ย 
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์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ์ผ์–ด๋‚  ์ผ์„ ๋Œ€ํ‘œํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:53
Vanessa: Oh yeah.ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•„, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ .
01:54
Dan: Yes, because Matilda,ย ย 
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Dan: ๋„ค, ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด Matilda๋Š”
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she is just a little baby and she isย  actually a very, very, very good sleeper.ย 
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์ž‘์€ ์•„๊ธฐ์ผ ๋ฟ์ด๊ณ  ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ์•„์ฃผ ์•„์ฃผ ์•„์ฃผ ์ž˜ ์ž๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
02:02
Vanessa: Oh, so easy.ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•„, ์ •๋ง ์‰ฌ์›Œ์š”.
02:03
Dan: So that's really made it very helpful forย ย 
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์ •๋ง ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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us which is she takes her nap and then she wakesย  up and she's not that upset, and then she takesย ย 
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๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ๋‚ฎ์ž ์„ ์ž๊ณ  ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚ด์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๊ณ , ๋‹ค์‹œ
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another nap and then she sleeps all night. Vanessa:ย 
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๋‚ฎ์ž ์„ ์ž๊ณ  ๋ฐค์ƒˆ ์ž ์„ ์ž”๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
02:14
That's unbelievable. Dan:ย 
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๋ง๋„ ์•ˆ ๋ผ์š”. ๋Œ„:
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Possibly unheard of for a baby. So, so far it'sย  been pretty easy with Matilda. But the other two,ย ย 
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์•„๊ธฐ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๋“ค์–ด๋ณธ ์ ๋„ ์—†๋Š” ์ผ์ด๊ฒ ์ฃ . ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ Matilda๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ฝค ์‰ฌ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚˜๋จธ์ง€ ๋‘ ๋ช…์€
02:25
as they get older, I think they kind of,ย  in their own way, get a little harder.ย 
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๋‚˜์ด๊ฐ€ ๋“ค์ˆ˜๋ก ๋‚˜๋ฆ„์˜ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์ข€ ๋” ํž˜๋“ค์–ด์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
02:29
Vanessa: Yeah, they say bigger kids,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋„ค, ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ๋” ํฌ๋ฉด
02:31
bigger problems generally is how it goes. Dan:ย 
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๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋” ํฌ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๋”๋ผ๊ณ ์š”. ๋Œ„:
02:34
Yeah. Vanessa:ย 
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02:34
And I'm sure it will all change as they get olderย  and all go through different stages. But really,ย ย 
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๋„ค. Vanessa:
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์ด๊ฐ€ ๋“ค๋ฉด์„œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ณ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‹จ๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๊ฑฐ์น˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์‚ฌ์‹ค
02:40
I think the most difficult, oftentimes parentsย  ask, "What's the most difficult stage?" I thinkย ย 
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ์–ด๋ ค์šด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด "๊ฐ€์žฅ ์–ด๋ ค์šด ๋‹จ๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ๋ญ์˜ˆ์š”?"๋ผ๊ณ  ์ž์ฃผ ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ณด์‹œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—”
02:46
the most difficult was going from zero kids toย  one kid because it's such a huge life change. Weย ย 
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0๋ช…์˜ ์•„์ด๊ฐ€ 1๋ช…์˜ ์•„์ด๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์–ด๋ ค์› ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์‚ถ์˜ ๋ณ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ํฌ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ . ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”ย ย  ๋Šฆ์€
02:54
were going to the brewery and trivia nightย  late at night and going with our friends.ย 
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๋ฐค์— ์–‘์กฐ์žฅ๊ณผ ํ€ด์ฆˆ ํŒŒํ‹ฐ์— ๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:01
Dan: We had a nightlife.ย 
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๋Œ„: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฐค๋ฌธํ™”๋ฅผ ์ฆ๊ฒผ์–ด์š”.
03:02
Vanessa: Going on long hikes and doingย ย 
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Vanessa: ์žฅ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ ํ•˜์ดํ‚น์„ ํ•˜๊ณ , ์ฆ‰ํฅ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ผ์„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
03:06
things spontaneously. Dan:ย 
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. ๋Œ„:
03:07
We were camping. Vanessa:ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์บ ํ•‘์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”. Vanessa:
03:08
Going camping and ... Dan:ย 
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์บ ํ•‘์„ ๊ฐ€๊ฑฐ๋‚˜... Dan:
03:09
Backpacking in fact. Vanessa:ย 
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์‚ฌ์‹ค์€ ๋ฐฐ๋‚ญ์—ฌํ–‰์ด์ฃ . ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
03:11
Yeah. And then when you have a baby, allย  of a sudden your life changes dramatically.ย 
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๋„ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์•„๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ธฐ๋ฉด ๊ฐ‘์ž๊ธฐ ์ธ์ƒ์ด ๊ทน์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณ€ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:16
Dan: Now backpacking is carryingย ย 
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Dan: ์ด์ œ ๋ฐฐ๋‚ญ์—ฌํ–‰์€
03:18
the baby down the stairs. Vanessa:ย 
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์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ณ„๋‹จ ์•„๋ž˜๋กœ ์šด๋ฐ˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Vanessa:
03:20
You're always backpacking. So I feel likeย  that was the biggest change and probablyย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋ฐฐ๋‚ญ์—ฌํ–‰์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ๋ณ€ํ™”์ด์ž ์•„๋งˆ๋„
03:25
the most difficult change. I know a lotย  of people say going from one kid to twoย ย 
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ์–ด๋ ค์šด ๋ณ€ํ™”์˜€๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ํ•œ ์•„์ด์—์„œ ๋‘
03:29
kids is the most difficult because all of aย  sudden you're juggling two different humans.ย ย 
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์•„์ด๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์–ด๋ ต๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ฐ‘์ž๊ธฐ ์„œ๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‘ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ์ €๊ธ€๋งํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:35
But for us, at least for me, I would sayย  going from zero to one was the most difficult.ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š”, ์ ์–ด๋„ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” 0์—์„œ 1๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์–ด๋ ค์› ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:40
One to two, it was trickier. Dan:ย 
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1๋Œ€2์ผ์ˆ˜๋ก ๋” ๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กœ์› ์–ด์š”. ๋Œ„:
03:44
I think it gets progressively harder. Vanessa:ย 
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์ ์  ๋” ์–ด๋ ค์›Œ์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
03:45
Yeah? Dan:ย 
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03:45
Yeah. But I'm not a woman, so again no. Vanessa:ย 
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์‘? ๋Œ„:
๋„ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ์—ฌ์ž๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Vanessa:
03:49
Well, everyone's got their own opinion about this.ย  I think going from two to three so far hasn't beenย ย 
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์Œ, ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ž์‹ ๋งŒ์˜ ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ 2๊ฐœ์—์„œ 3๊ฐœ๋กœ ๋Š˜์–ด๋‚œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ํฐ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋Š” ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”
03:55
a huge change. Dan:ย 
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. ๋Œ„:
03:57
Yeah. Not too bad. Vanessa:ย 
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๋„ค. ๋‚˜์˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„. Vanessa:
03:58
Maybe it's just because she's pretty chill. Andย  I think that this summer has been really specialย ย 
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ ๊ฝค ๋ƒ‰์ •ํ•ด์„œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ย  ์ง‘์— ๊ณ„์…จ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ด๋ฒˆ ์—ฌ๋ฆ„์€ ์ •๋ง ํŠน๋ณ„ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
04:04
because you've been home. I've had anotherย  parent at home at all times to help withย ย 
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. ์ง‘์—๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ
04:13
all the children. So instead of being parentingย  alone, being a parent alone with three kids,ย ย 
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๋ชจ๋“  ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ๋„์™€์ค„ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์ด ๊ณ„์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ํ˜ผ์ž ์–‘์œกํ•˜๋Š” ๋Œ€์‹  , ์„ธ ์ž๋…€๋ฅผ ๋‘” ๋ถ€๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ๋Œ€์‹ ,
04:20
right now we've got two parents at home atย  all times. But when you're watching this,ย ย 
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์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์ง‘์— ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋‘ ๋ช…์˜ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด ์˜์ƒ์„ ๋ณด๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹œ๋‹ค๋ฉด
04:25
that is changing because school is startingย  back. Dan's going back to work at the schoolย ย 
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ํ•™๊ต๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์‹œ์ž‘๋˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ๋ฐ”๋€Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . Dan์€ ์ž์‹ ์ด ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ํ•™๊ต๋กœ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
04:31
where he works. Theo will also be going toย  school. Freddie will be going to preschool,ย ย 
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. ํ…Œ์˜ค๋„ ํ•™๊ต์— ๊ฐˆ ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””๋Š” ์œ ์น˜์›์— ๊ฐˆ ์˜ˆ์ •์ด๋ฏ€๋กœ
04:35
so it'll be a little bit trickier. So maybeย  we'll keep you updated. That's the finalย ย 
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์ข€ ๋” ๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กœ์šธ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ์†Œ์‹์„ ์ „ํ•ด๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ตœ์ข…
04:38
answer. Dan:ย 
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๋‹ต๋ณ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Dan:
04:39
Yeah, I think it's a lot trickier forย  moms, especially when they're at home.ย ย 
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๋„ค, ํŠนํžˆ ์ง‘์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์—„๋งˆ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กœ์šด ์ผ์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
04:45
Now that I've been home for the summer, it'sย  actually been harder for me, I think overall,ย ย 
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์ด์ œ ์—ฌ๋ฆ„ ๋™์•ˆ ์ง‘์— ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋” ํž˜๋“  ์ผ์ด ๋œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณด๋ฉด,
04:49
because you're always holding orย  caring for somebody all the time.ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์•ˆ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋ณด์‚ดํŽด ์ฃผ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:53
Vanessa: There's no break.ย 
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04:53
Dan: And that's especiallyย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‰ฌ๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์€ ์—†์–ด์š”.
Dan: ํŠนํžˆ
04:54
true with the baby. So it's just cyclingย  through the kids. Who am I tending to now?ย 
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์•„๊ธฐ์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋Š” ๋”์šฑ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•„์ด๋“ค ์‚ฌ์ด๋ฅผ ์ˆœํ™˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ง€๊ธˆ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ๋Œ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฑธ๊นŒ?
04:59
Vanessa: Yeah. Sometimes we say if it's not one, it's theย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๋•Œ๋•Œ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ•˜๋‚˜๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
05:02
other. Somebody is always having a problem at allย  times. Hopefully it's not all three at the sameย ย 
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. ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ์•ˆ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์„ธ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ฐ€ ๋™์‹œ์— ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
05:08
time. I think that only happened one time so far. Dan:ย 
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. ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ ๋”ฑ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„. ๋Œ„:
05:11
Wait, when? Vanessa:ย 
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์ž ๊น, ์–ธ์ œ์š”? Vanessa:
05:12
Everyone was crying. Dan:ย 
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๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ์šธ๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ๋Œ„:
05:14
Oh yeah. Vanessa:ย 
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์•„, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ . Vanessa:
05:15
And we were almost there.ย  We were almost crying too.ย 
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๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋‹ค ์™”์–ด์š”. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋„ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์šธ ๋ป”ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
05:17
Dan: I don't know. At that point,ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ ์‹œ์ ์—์„œ,
05:18
you just kind of look at each other and youย  kind of laugh like, because you're like,ย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์„œ๋กœ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณด๊ณ  ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ์›ƒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์€
05:21
"What am I going to do now? Iย  don't know. They're all crying."ย 
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"์ด์ œ ์–ด๋–กํ•˜์ง€? ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”. ๋‹ค๋“ค ์šธ๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”."๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:24
Vanessa: Well, here we go, diving in-ย 
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Vanessa: ์ž, ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๋›ฐ์–ด๋“ค๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:26
Dan: Let's let them cry.ย 
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Dan: ์šธ๊ฒŒ ๋†”๋‘์ž๊ณ ์š”.
05:27
Vanessa: And I saw a picture once. It's a Facebookย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ•œ๋ฒˆ์€ ์‚ฌ์ง„์„ ๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ํŽ˜์ด์Šค๋ถ
05:33
page. It's also an Instagram page called Humansย  of New York. Maybe you've seen it before. If not,ย ย 
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ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Humans of New York์ด๋ผ๋Š” Instagram ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์ด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ „์— ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๋ฉด
05:38
I highly recommend it because it's a great wayย  to get little snippets of language and culture.ย ย 
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์–ธ์–ด์™€ ๋ฌธํ™”์˜ ์ž‘์€ ์กฐ๊ฐ์„ ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ ๊ทน ๊ถŒ์žฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:42
Anyway, there's a guy who goes around New Yorkย  taking pictures of strangers, and he asked themย ย 
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์–ด์จŒ๋“ , ๋‰ด์š•์„ ๋Œ์•„๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๋ฉฐ ๋‚ฏ์„  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ์‚ฌ์ง„์„ ์ฐ๋Š” ๋‚จ์ž๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ
05:47
a bit about their lives and they usually shareย  something pretty interesting, I think. But thereย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์‚ถ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋ฌผ์—ˆ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋Œ€๊ฐœ ๊ฝค ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ณต์œ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ
05:52
was one couple he took a picture of and they had aย  young child with them and he said something like,ย ย 
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์‚ฌ์ง„์„ ์ฐ์€ ์ปคํ”Œ์ด ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ์–ด๋ฆฐ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋ง์„ ํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
05:58
or they said something about the process ofย  deciding whether or not they should have children.ย ย 
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ํ˜น์€ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์งˆ์ง€ ๋ง์ง€ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณผ์ •์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
06:03
And they're like, "I don't know. We like ourย  lives now. Should we have kids?" And I think theย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ "๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ง€๊ธˆ์˜ ์‚ถ์ด ์ข‹์•„์š”. ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—
06:08
husband, he said, "Well, having kids is the fullย  human experience. Humans have been having childrenย ย 
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๋‚จํŽธ์€ "๊ธ€์Ž„, ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ธ๊ฐ„์˜ ์™„์ „ํ•œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ธ๊ฐ„์€ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๋‚ณ๊ณ 
06:15
and being around children for eternity." And so- Dan:ย 
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์˜์›ํžˆ ์•„์ด๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์žˆ์–ด ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ- Dan:
06:20
He's right. Vanessa:ย 
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๊ทธ ๋ง์ด ๋งž์•„์š”. Vanessa:
06:21
She said that when their child is screaming inย  the bath or having a crazy time, they just lookย ย 
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์ž๋…€๊ฐ€ ์š•์กฐ์—์„œ ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ง€๋ฅด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์‹ ๋‚˜๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋‚ผ ๋•Œ, ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‹จ์ง€
06:26
at each other and say, "Full human experience."ย  And really, that's kind of all you can do. Yeah,ย ย 
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์„œ๋กœ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณด๋ฉฐ "์™„์ „ํ•œ ์ธ๊ฐ„ ๊ฒฝํ—˜"์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ „๋ถ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋„ค,
06:32
I get frustrated sometimes. I get angry sometimes.ย  But in the end, you kind of just got to take aย ย 
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๊ฐ€๋” ๋‹ต๋‹ตํ•  ๋•Œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฐ€๋” ํ™”๊ฐ€ ๋‚œ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ์—๋Š” ํ•œ
06:38
step back and go, "All right." Dan:ย 
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๋ฐœ ๋’ค๋กœ ๋ฌผ๋Ÿฌ์„œ์„œ "๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Dan:
06:40
You just keep telling yourself, "Iย  hope it'll be worth it someday."ย 
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๊ณ„์† ์Šค์Šค๋กœ์—๊ฒŒ " ์–ธ์  ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ๋งŒํ•œ ๊ฐ€์น˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ผ์š”."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์ฃ .
06:43
Vanessa: We are experiencing the full human experience.ย 
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Vanessa: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ธ๊ฐ„์˜ ์™„์ „ํ•œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
06:46
Dan: It's not really that bad though.ย 
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋ž˜๋„ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋‚˜์˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์•„์š”.
06:49
Vanessa: No.ย 
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06:49
Dan: In general it's beenย ย 
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Vanessa: ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”.
Dan: ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ
06:51
very nice and very rewarding, that's the word. Vanessa:ย 
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๋งค์šฐ ์นœ์ ˆํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ณด๋žŒ์ฐฌ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
06:54
Yeah. I think that's the thingย  about parenting is that on paperย ย 
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๋„ค. ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ์œก์•„์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋Š” ์„œ๋ฅ˜์ƒ์œผ๋กœ
06:58
there's a lot of negatives. You got toย  change your life. It's expensive. There'sย ย 
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๋ถ€์ •์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งŽ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ธ์ƒ์„ ๋ฐ”๊ฟ”์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„์‹ธ์š”. ํ• 
07:06
a lot of work. Dan:ย 
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07:06
You got to change diapers. Vanessa:ย 
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์ผ์ด ๋งŽ์•„์š”. ๋Œ„:
๊ธฐ์ €๊ท€๋ฅผ ๊ฐˆ์•„์•ผ ํ•ด์š”. Vanessa:
07:07
You got to change diapers. There's aย  lot of negatives on paper involved,ย ย 
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๊ธฐ์ €๊ท€๋ฅผ ๊ฐˆ์•„์•ผ ํ•ด์š”. ์„œ๋ฅ˜์ƒ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ๋ถ€์ •์ ์ธ ๋ฉด์ด ๋งŽ์ด ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ
07:09
but I think anyone who has been a parent, or ifย  you've been an aunt and you've helped to takeย ย 
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๋ถ€๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ๋œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๋‚˜ ์ด๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ๋˜์–ด ์—ฌ๋™์ƒ
07:14
care of your sister's child or a grandmother andย  taking care of other children, it's intangible theย ย 
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์˜ ์•„์ด๋‚˜ ํ• ๋จธ๋‹ˆ๋ฅผ ๋Œ๋ณด๊ณ  ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ๋Œ๋ณด๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์„ ์ค€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌดํ˜•์˜
07:22
reward, which that's a great vocabulary word. Just as a little reminder. We will be talkingย ย 
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๋ณด์ƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์–ดํœ˜๋„ค์š”. ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ์•Œ๋ฆผ์œผ๋กœ. ๋ช‡ ์ฃผ ํ›„์— ์ œ YouTube ์ฑ„๋„์—์„œ
07:27
about some key vocabulary from this conversationย  in a couple of weeks on my YouTube channel,ย ย 
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์ด ๋Œ€ํ™”์˜ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ฃผ์š” ์–ดํœ˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ์˜ˆ์ •์ด๋‹ˆ
07:33
so don't miss that video. Make sure you subscribeย  to the Speak English With Vanessa YouTube channelย ย 
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ํ•ด๋‹น ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ๋†“์น˜์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”. ์ด ์ˆ˜์—…์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ช‡ ์ฃผ ํ›„์— ์ œ๊ณต๋˜๋Š” ์–ดํœ˜ ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ฐ›์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก Speak English With Vanessa YouTube ์ฑ„๋„์„ ๊ตฌ๋…ํ•˜์„ธ์š”
07:38
so that you can get the vocabulary lessonย  coming in a few weeks about this lesson.ย 
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07:44
All right, let's go to our next question. Ourย  next question also has to do with parentingย ย 
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์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์œผ๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ์œก์•„์™€๋„ ๊ด€๋ จ์ด ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ
07:48
and it's talking about competition. How doย  you handle competition between siblings?ย 
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๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜•์ œ์ž๋งค ๊ฐ„์˜ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌํ•˜๋‚˜์š”?
07:54
First of all, let's talk about whatย  is competition between siblings.ย 
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๋จผ์ € ํ˜•์ œ์ž๋งค ๊ฐ„์˜ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ด ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:57
Dan: And these are big questions. Iย ย 
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ํฐ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:58
don't know if I'm ready for the surprise. Vanessa:ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋†€๋ž„ ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ๋˜์—ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Vanessa:
08:00
Alex, Vera and Claudio were notย  holding back with their questions.ย 
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Alex, Vera ๋ฐ Claudio๋Š” ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ์ฃผ์ €ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:05
Dan: Yeah.ย 
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08:05
Vanessa: Yeah, let's talk aboutย ย 
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08:05
what is competition first. Dan:ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘.
Vanessa: ์‘,
๋จผ์ € ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์–˜๊ธฐํ•ด๋ณด์ž. Dan:
08:07
Yeah, competition is where two peopleย  can't win. Only one person can win.ย 
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๋„ค, ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์€ ๋‘ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์ด๊ธธ ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š” ๊ณณ์ด์—์š”. ์˜ค์ง ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋งŒ์ด ์Šน๋ฆฌํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:14
Vanessa: Yeah.ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
08:15
Dan: And so-ย 
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08:15
Vanessa: Fighting, arguing-ย 
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ-
Vanessa: ์‹ธ์šฐ๊ณ , ๋ง๋‹คํˆผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ -
08:16
Dan: ... they're kind of competingย ย 
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Dan: ...
08:17
for the one prize, basically. Vanessa:ย 
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๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ์ƒ์„ ๋†“๊ณ  ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์„ ๋ฒŒ์ด๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ . Vanessa:
08:19
Which usually I think that prize in aย  family is your parents' attention. Soย ย 
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์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€์กฑ ์ค‘ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์˜ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
08:24
there's only two of us, and sometimes there'sย  only one of us at home. So that competitionย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‘˜๋ฟ์ด๊ณ  ๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ์ง‘์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ค‘ ํ•œ ๋ช…๋งŒ ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์€
08:30
is often, they're not thinking, "I want to be theย  one to get Mom's attention the most." They're notย ย 
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'๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์—„๋งˆ์˜ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋งŽ์ด ๋ฐ›๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค'๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€
08:36
really consciously thinking that, but that's justย  by nature how it is, that the limited resourceย ย 
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์˜์‹์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ณธ์งˆ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ œํ•œ๋œ ์ž์›์ด
08:42
is our attention. So siblings, that's brothersย  and sisters, the competition between siblings,ย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๋Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ํ˜•์ œ์ž๋งค, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ํ˜•์ œ ์ž๋งค, ๋‚จ๋งค ๊ฐ„์˜ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ,
08:49
do we do anything about that? Dan:ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”? Dan:
08:51
Yes, especially in the sense of our attention.ย  I think we try to give each kid attention,ย ย 
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๋„ค, ํŠนํžˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๋„๋Š” ์˜๋ฏธ์—์„œ์š”. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฐ ์–ด๋ฆฐ์ด์—๊ฒŒ ๊ด€์‹ฌ,
08:58
especially one-on-one attention. Although I'veย  noticed that with Freddie, our second one,ย ย 
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ํŠนํžˆ ์ผ๋Œ€์ผ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ์ฃผ๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ์ธ Freddie์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋Š”
09:03
he definitely cries out for attention a lotย  more. He does more things to make you say,ย ย 
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ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๋Œ๋ ค๊ณ  ์™ธ์น˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด "๋ญํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์ผ์„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:11
"What are you doing?" Vanessa:ย 
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Vanessa:
09:12
Little naughty things sometimes. Dan:ย 
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๊ฐ€๋”์€ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ์žฅ๋‚œ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ์ผ๋„ ์žˆ์–ด์š”. Dan:
09:13
A lot more naughty things and a lot more like,ย  "Hey, look at me, look at me, daddy," and stuffย ย 
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ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์žฅ๋‚œ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ๋งŽ๊ณ  "์•ผ, ๋‚˜ ์ข€ ๋ด, ์•„๋น " ๊ฐ™์€ ๋ง๊ณผ
09:19
like that. So he is a lot more direct aboutย  it, I think. And it's probably because he'sย ย 
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๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ๋” ๋งŽ์•„. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์ง์ ‘์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ทธ๊ฐ€
09:23
the second child. Vanessa:ย 
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๋‘˜์งธ ์•„์ด์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ผ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
09:25
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you're the second child.ย  You're the middle child. You're like Freddie.ย 
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๋„ค. ์‘. ๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์•„์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ . ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ค‘๊ฐ„ ์•„์ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””์™€ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:29
Dan: Apparently I was the quiet one though.ย 
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋ž˜๋„ ๋‚˜๋Š” ์กฐ์šฉํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
09:31
Vanessa: Yeah?ย 
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09:31
Dan: Yeah, likeย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘?
Dan: ๋„ค, ๋งˆ์น˜
09:32
easygoing. Vanessa:ย 
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ํƒœํ‰ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. Vanessa:
09:33
Did you ever- Dan:ย 
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09:33
I was sneaky though. Vanessa:ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”? Dan:
ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ๊ตํ™œํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. Vanessa:
09:35
I think that's a cry for attention too. Likeย  doing little things to try to get away with itย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋„ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๋‹ฌ๋ผ๋Š” ์™ธ์นจ์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ๊ทธ ์ผ์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ž‘์€ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ,
09:40
and just ... I don't know. Did you ever feelย  like you lacked attention from your parents?ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ... ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”. ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์˜ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ๋ถ€์กฑํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋Š๋‚€ ์ ์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
09:45
Dan: Is this about my childhood now?ย 
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Dan: ์ง€๊ธˆ ์ด๊ฒŒ ๋‚ด ์–ด๋ฆฐ์‹œ์ ˆ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”?
09:47
Vanessa: Yes. We're turning it on you.ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์ผœ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:50
Dan: Yeah,ย ย 
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Dan: ๋„ค,
09:51
maybe a little bit, because it was the I was theย  easy child and my brother was a little bit more ofย ย 
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์ข€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿด์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ €๋Š” ์ข€ ๋” ์‰ฌ์šด ์•„์ด์˜€๊ณ  ํ˜•์€ ์ข€ ๋”
09:57
the squeaky wheel is the expression we use. Theย  squeaky wheel gets the oil. Is that the saying?ย 
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์‚๊ฑฑ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฐ”ํ€ด๊ฐ€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ํ‘œํ˜„์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚๊ฑฑ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฐ”ํ€ด์— ๊ธฐ๋ฆ„์ด ๋ฌป์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ๋ง์ด์š”?
10:03
Vanessa: Yep. Yep.ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๋„ค.
10:04
Dan: So yeah, he was a little more ofย ย 
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ตฐ์š”. ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€
10:06
a challenging kid than I was. Vanessa:ย 
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์ €๋ณด๋‹ค ์ข€ ๋” ๋„์ „์ ์ธ ์•„์ด์˜€์–ด์š”. Vanessa:
10:09
So your parents' attention was on him? Dan:ย 
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10:09
At least from my parents' perspective. Yeah. Vanessa:ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์˜ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ ์ ๋ ธ๋‚˜์š”? ๋Œ„:
์ ์–ด๋„ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜ ์ž…์žฅ์—์„œ๋Š”์š”. ์‘. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
10:12
Yeah. I mean, that's what I've heard, thatย  they put a lot of attention on him becauseย ย 
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๋„ค. ๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด
10:16
he was either more difficult or they perceivedย  him as more difficult. And so it's not that youย ย 
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๋” ๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กญ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋” ์–ด๋ ต๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ธ์‹ํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ทธ์—๊ฒŒ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๊ธฐ์šธ์ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
10:21
got ignored. It's just that maybe they feltย  like you didn't need that type of attention.ย 
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๋ฌด์‹œ๋‹นํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋Š๊ผˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:24
Dan: Well, they justย ย 
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Dan: ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€
10:25
thought that I was like, "He's good.ย  Look at him. He's happy. He's doing hisย ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ "๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ ์ž˜ํ•ด์š”. ์ € ์‚ฌ๋žŒ ์ข€ ๋ณด์„ธ์š”. ๊ทธ๋Š” ํ–‰๋ณตํ•ด์š”. ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ์ž๊ธฐ
10:29
thing. Yeah." Vanessa:ย 
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ํ•  ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ์‘."์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์„ ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
10:30
Yeah. Dan:ย 
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10:30
And inside, I mean ... Well, yeah. I maybe hadย  some problems down the road because of it, maybe.ย 
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๋„ค. ๋Œ„:
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚ด๋ถ€๋Š”... ์Œ, ๋„ค. ์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ๊ทธ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฒผ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:36
Vanessa: Yeah, Iย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋„ค, ์ œ
10:37
think everyone wants as much of their parents'ย  attention as possible, and I'm sure you did too.ย 
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์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์˜ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ์ตœ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š” . ๋‹น์‹ ๋„ ๊ทธ๋žฌ์„ ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•ด์š”.
10:41
Dan: Yeah. But I think Freddie is muchย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””๋Š”
10:43
more direct than I was. He's pretty ... Vanessa:ย 
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๋‚˜๋ณด๋‹ค ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์ง์ ‘์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”. ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ์˜ˆ๋ป์š”... Vanessa:
10:45
But I think that's good. I wantย  to know what he's thinking.ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ข‹์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด์š”.
10:48
Dan: He's very headstrong. He's more your sisterย ย 
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๋Œ„: ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ์•„์ฃผ ๊ณ ์ง‘์ด ์„ธ๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”. ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ๋‚˜๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ๋„ค ์—ฌ๋™์ƒ์ด์•ผ
10:51
than me. Her sister is the second child too. Vanessa:ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋…€์˜ ์—ฌ๋™์ƒ๋„ ๋‘˜์งธ ์•„์ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
10:55
Yeah. One that will tell you, "I want this and Iย  want it now, and I'm not going to stop until I getย ย 
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๋„ค. "๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ์›ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ง€๊ธˆ ์›ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์–ป์„ ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€ ๋ฉˆ์ถ”์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
10:59
it," that kind of attitude. Dan:ย 
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"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ํƒœ๋„. ๋Œ„:
11:01
Yeah. That's exactly what I want. Vanessa:ย 
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๋„ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
11:02
Yes. Dan:ย 
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11:02
Yeah. Vanessa:ย 
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11:02
Yeah. But I think, that was one of my thoughtsย  when we were deciding whether or not we wantedย ย 
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๋„ค. ๋Œ„:
๋„ค. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
๋„ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€
11:08
to have a third kid was will I be able to giveย  enough attention to Freddie because it's kind ofย ย 
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์…‹์งธ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€์ง€ ์—ฌ๋ถ€๋ฅผ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•  ๋•Œ ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” '๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””์—๊ฒŒ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•œ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ์ค„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ'์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฑด
11:15
a stereotype that the middle child gets glossedย  over or like forgotten. And I love Freddie. Iย ย 
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๋‘˜์งธ ์•„์ด๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์‹œ๋‹นํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ข‹์•„ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๊ณ ์ •๊ด€๋…์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์žŠํ˜€์ง„. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•ด์š”. ๋‚˜๋Š”
11:22
don't want him to be glossed over, but kindย  of by default, we spent years with only Theo.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฅผ ์–ผ๋ฒ„๋ฌด๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์›ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ…Œ์˜ค์™€๋งŒ ๋ช‡ ๋…„์„ ๋ณด๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:28
Dan: He won't let you not get attention.ย 
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๋Œ„: ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๋ฐ›์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋†”๋‘์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
11:29
Vanessa: And then I have a baby,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฒจ์„œ
11:30
so I have to spend time with her. And so whatย  happens to the middle child kind of by default,ย ย 
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์•„๊ธฐ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด์•ผ ํ•ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ค‘๊ฐ„ ์•„์ด์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋ฉด,
11:35
they get a little bit less attention theirย  whole lives. So I wanted to make sure thatย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ํ‰์ƒ ๋™์•ˆ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋œ ๋ฐ›๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š”
11:40
that was something that I could handle, becauseย  yeah, I love Freddie. I don't want him to getย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ๋‹นํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์ธ์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ €๋Š” ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด
11:45
less attention. But I think he's ready to standย  up for himself. He's got a strong personality.ย 
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๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๋œ ๋ฐ›๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์›ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๊ทธ๋Š” ์Šค์Šค๋กœ๋ฅผ ์˜นํ˜ธํ•  ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š” . ๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ฐ•ํ•œ ์„ฑ๊ฒฉ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:51
Dan: Yeah, he does. Whatย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์š”.
11:52
about competition with each other? Becauseย  that's how I would've initially taken this.ย 
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์„œ๋กœ๊ฐ„์˜ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์€ ์–ด๋–ป์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ฒ˜์Œ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์˜€์„ ํ…Œ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
11:56
Vanessa: Like fighting with each other maybe?ย 
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Vanessa: ์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ์„œ๋กœ ์‹ธ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”?
11:57
Dan: Yeah, or like, I mean, I have noticed thatย ย 
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Dan: ๋„ค, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด
12:01
Freddie will say, "I can do this the best." Vanessa:ย 
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ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””๊ฐ€ "๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ด๊ฑธ ์ œ์ผ ์ž˜ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑธ ๋ณธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
12:04
Yeah. Dan:ย 
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๋„ค. Dan:
12:05
And Theo will be like, "No, I can do it better."ย  So they kind of have these little arguments.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  Theo๋Š” "์•„๋‹ˆ, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋” ์ž˜ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ž‘์€ ์ฃผ์žฅ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:10
Vanessa: I think we try not to compare them with each otherย ย 
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Vanessa: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค ์•ž์—์„œ ์„œ๋กœ ๋น„๊ตํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”
12:12
in front of them. Sometimes when we're talkingย  with just each other, when the kids are asleep,ย ย 
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. ๊ฐ€๋” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์„œ๋กœ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ•  ๋•Œ , ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ์ž๊ณ  ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ,
12:16
we might say, "Is this okay? Theo didn't do thisย  and Freddie's doing this." We might talk amongstย ย 
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"์ด๊ฑฐ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„? ํ…Œ์˜ค๊ฐ€ ํ•œ ๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ณ  ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์•ผ"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ผ๋ฆฌ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ
12:21
ourselves about that, but I think it's reallyย  important to not say, "Theo does this. Freddie,ย ย 
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, "ํ…Œ์˜ค๊ฐ€ ์ด๊ฑธ ํ•ด. ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””,
12:27
you should do it too." Or, "Freddie, Theoย  doesn't do that. Look at him." That kind ofย ย 
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๋„ˆ๋„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ด"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •๋ง ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜๋Š” "ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””, ํ…Œ์˜ค๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ง“ ์•ˆ ํ•ด. ์ € ์‚ฌ๋žŒ ์ข€ ๋ด." ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜
12:32
comparison. It's better to keep it, I think moreย  general like don't hit instead of saying, "Theoย ย 
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๋น„๊ต์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋Œ€๋กœ ๋‘๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ๋” ๋‚˜์€๋ฐ, "ํ…Œ์˜ค๋Š”
12:38
doesn't hit. You shouldn't hit too." Just don'tย  hit, keeping it as a rule versus a comparison.ย 
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์•ˆ ๋•Œ๋ ค. ๋„ˆ๋„ ๋•Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฉด ์•ˆ ๋ผ."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ์•ˆ ๋•Œ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ๋” ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์น˜์ง€ ๋ง๊ณ  ๋น„๊ต๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ๊ทœ์น™์œผ๋กœ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
12:46
Also, I would highly recommend if you haveย  multiple children or if you are a grandparent thatย ย 
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๋˜ํ•œ, ์ž๋…€๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋ช…์ด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์†์ž๊ฐ€
12:51
has multiple grandkids, there's a book called ... Dan:ย 
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋ช…์ธ ์กฐ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋ผ๋ฉด ... Dan:
12:55
Siblings? Vanessa:ย 
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ํ˜•์ œ์ž๋งค?๋ผ๋Š” ์ฑ…์„ ๊ถŒํ•ด ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
12:57
Yes. Dan:ย 
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๋„ค. ๋Œ„:
12:58
Rivalry? Vanessa:ย 
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12:58
There's a book. Siblings Withoutย  Rivalry is like the older-ย 
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๊ฒฝ์Ÿ? ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
์ฑ…์ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ ์—†๋Š” ํ˜•์ œ์ž๋งค๋Š” ์ด์ „ ๋ฒ„์ „๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:01
Dan: Oh, that's a different one-ย 
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Dan: ์•„, ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:02
Vanessa: ... older version. It'sย ย 
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Vanessa: ... ์ด์ „ ๋ฒ„์ „์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:05
Peaceful Parent, Happy Siblings. It took me aย  moment to think of that. Peaceful Parent, Happyย ย 
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ํ‰ํ™”๋กœ์šด ๋ถ€๋ชจ, ํ–‰๋ณตํ•œ ํ˜•์ œ์ž๋งค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ข€ ๊ฑธ๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ‰ํ™”๋กœ์šด ๋ถ€๋ชจ, ํ–‰๋ณตํ•œ
13:10
Siblings. I'll put a picture of it right here onย  Dan's face. This book gives amazing tips about howย ย 
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ํ˜•์ œ์ž๋งค. ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ Dan์˜ ์–ผ๊ตด์— ์‚ฌ์ง„์„ ์ฐ์„๊ฒŒ์š” . ์ด ์ฑ…์€
13:18
to help there be less competition between siblingsย  and just have your kids get along. Because I thinkย ย 
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ํ˜•์ œ์ž๋งค ๊ฐ„์˜ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์„ ์ค„์ด๊ณ  ์ž๋…€๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ์ด์ข‹๊ฒŒ ์ง€๋‚ด๋„๋ก ๋•๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋†€๋ผ์šด ํŒ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด,
13:23
when I see you with your siblings as adults, youย  guys get along really well. It's so nice that atย ย 
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์–ด๋ฅธ์ด ๋˜์–ด ํ˜•์ œ์ž๋งค๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ชจ์Šต์„ ๋ณด๋ฉด ์ •๋ง ์‚ฌ์ด๊ฐ€ ์ข‹์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
13:32
Christmas when everyone- Dan:ย 
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค๋งˆ์Šค์— ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€- Dan:
13:33
Overall- Vanessa:ย 
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13:33
... gets together. Yeah, someย  people dread going to ...ย 
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์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ- Vanessa:
... ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋ชจ์ด๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ข‹์•„์š”. ๋„ค, ์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€...
13:36
Dan: Well, that's true.ย 
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Dan: ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:37
Vanessa: Like family gatherings because theyย ย 
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Vanessa: ๊ฐ€์กฑ ๋ชจ์ž„์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ด์š”.
13:38
just fight with their siblings or they just haveย  a terrible relationship. And I feel like you guysย ย 
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ํ˜•์ œ์ž๋งค๋“ค๊ณผ ์‹ธ์šฐ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ด€๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด
13:44
get along, you play games, you enjoy chatting. Dan:ย 
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์‚ฌ์ด์ข‹๊ฒŒ ์ง€๋‚ด๊ณ , ๊ฒŒ์ž„์„ ํ•˜๊ณ , ์ฑ„ํŒ…์„ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. Dan:
13:46
Me and my brother can be a bit,ย  but that's I think, I don't know,ย ย 
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๋‚˜์™€ ๋‚ด ๋™์ƒ์€ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒย  ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—”, ์ž˜ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด,ย ย  ๊ทธ๊ฑด
13:50
I think that's brother stuff. Vanessa:ย 
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ํ˜•์ œ ๋ฌธ์ œ์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
13:51
Yeah. I think compared to what it could be, fromย  my opinion as an outsider, I think that you guysย ย 
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๋„ค. ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋น„ํ•˜๋ฉด ์•„์›ƒ์‚ฌ์ด๋”์ธ ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”
13:59
have what I would want my kids to have. Dan:ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ œ ์•„์ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. Dan:
14:01
We've mellowed out with age too. There wasย  definitely phases in me and my brother's lifeย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋„ ๋‚˜์ด๊ฐ€ ๋“ค๋ฉด์„œ ๋ถ€๋“œ๋Ÿฌ์›Œ์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜์™€ ๋‚ด ๋™์ƒ์˜ ์‚ถ์—๋Š”
14:06
where it was pretty contentious. Vanessa:ย 
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ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๋…ผ์Ÿ์˜ ์—ฌ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‹จ๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
14:08
Yeah. What'd you guys do? Dan:ย 
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๋„ค. ๋„ˆํฌ๋“ค์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ–ˆ๋‚˜์š”? ๋Œ„:
14:10
We fought a lot in high school. Vanessa:ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ณ ๋“ฑํ•™๊ต ๋•Œ ๋งŽ์ด ์‹ธ์› ์–ด์š”. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
14:12
Yeah? Did you ever- Dan:ย 
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์‘? ํ˜น์‹œ- Dan:
14:13
Middle school, high school- Vanessa:ย 
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์ค‘ํ•™๊ต, ๊ณ ๋“ฑํ•™๊ต- Vanessa:
14:14
... physically hit each other? Dan:ย 
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... ์„œ๋กœ ์‹ ์ฒด์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋•Œ๋ฆฐ ์  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”? ๋Œ„:
14:15
Yes. Vanessa:ย 
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๋„ค. Vanessa:
14:16
I think that's probably normal. Dan:ย 
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์•„๋งˆ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ •์ƒ์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๋Œ„:
14:19
Yeah. I mean, Theo and Freddie do sometimesย  too, but not too often. I think Theo isย ย 
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๋„ค. ๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ํ…Œ์˜ค์™€ ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””๋„ ๊ฐ€๋”์”ฉ์€ ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ž์ฃผ๋Š” ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ . ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ํ…Œ์˜ค๋Š”
14:26
actually pretty good at recognizingย  that he's the older brother and notย ย 
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ž์‹ ์ด ํ˜•์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ๊ฝค ์ž˜ ์ธ์‹ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ
14:32
always being so serious about the competition.ย  And then Freddie will even recognize, "Well,ย ย 
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ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ง„์ง€ํ•˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””๋Š” "๊ธ€์Ž„,
14:37
someday when I'm bigger, I'll get better atย  this." So they almost both have a little bitย ย 
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์–ธ์  ๊ฐ€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋” ํฌ๋ฉด ์ด ์ผ์„ ๋” ์ž˜ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฑฐ์•ผ "๋ผ๊ณ  ์ธ์‹ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ์•ฝ๊ฐ„
14:42
of recognition. Vanessa:ย 
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์˜ ์ธ์ง€๋„๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
14:43
Yeah. But the other day when Theo wasn't at home,ย  he was at a friend's house and we were talking toย ย 
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๋„ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์–ผ๋งˆ ์ „ ํ…Œ์˜ค๊ฐ€ ์ง‘์— ์—†์„ ๋•Œ ๊ทธ๋Š” ์นœ๊ตฌ ์ง‘์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””์™€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
14:48
Freddie. We were like, "Oh, what would it be likeย  if you were the oldest sibling, Freddie?" He gotย ย 
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. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” "์•„, ๋„ค๊ฐ€ ๋งํ˜•์ด๋ผ๋ฉด ์–ด๋–จ์ง€, ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””?"๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ
14:53
this look on his face like I would be bigger thanย  everyone, I would get to do everything better thanย ย 
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๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ์ปค์งˆ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€ ํ‘œ์ •์„ ์ง€์—ˆ๊ณ  ,
14:59
everyone, like he ... Dan:ย 
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ผ์„ ๋” ์ž˜ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€ ํ‘œ์ •์„ ์ง€์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Dan:
15:00
He loved this idea. Vanessa:ย 
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์ด ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
15:01
Yeah. I think that it's just, yeah,ย  like I said, by default, the second kidย ย 
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๋„ค. ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—”, ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด, ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์•„์ด์™€
15:05
and third are going to have kind of a complexย  almost that they're not the biggest. Butย ย 
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์„ธ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์•„์ด๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์˜ ํฌ์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๋Š” ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์ฝคํ”Œ๋ ‰์Šค๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
15:10
that's normal. Humans have been dealing with thisย  forever. So it's not dooming them, but it's justย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ •์ƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ธ๊ฐ„์€ ์ด ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ์˜์›ํžˆ ํ•ด๊ฒฐํ•ด ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ํŒŒ๋ฉธ์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹จ์ง€
15:15
going to be part of their personality. Dan:ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์„ฑ๊ฒฉ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Dan:
15:17
I think a big picture with our kids, it seems likeย  maybe we're a little bit fortunate that they'reย ย 
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํฐ ๊ทธ๋ฆผ์„ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด
15:23
not gung-ho, crazy competitive. I think some kidsย  can be a lot more, and they're not, especially-ย 
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๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์‹ฌ์ด ๊ฐ•ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„์„œ ๋‹คํ–‰์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ์–ด๋–ค ์•„์ด๋“ค์€ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์ผ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ, ํŠนํžˆ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”.
15:31
Vanessa: At least atย ย 
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Vanessa: ์ ์–ด๋„
15:32
this point. I wonder if there's a developmentalย  stage that ... Well, there's lots of stages weย ย 
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์ด ์‹œ์ ์—์„œ๋Š”์š”. ๋ฐœ๋‹ฌ ๋‹จ๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์Œ, ์•„์ง ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋„๋‹ฌํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ ๋‹จ๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
15:36
haven't gotten to yet. Our oldest is only six,ย  that maybe they'll become more competitive.ย 
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. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํฐ ์•„์ด๋Š” ๊ณ ์ž‘ ์—ฌ์„ฏ ์‚ด์ธ๋ฐ, ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋” ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ๋ ฅ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:41
Dan: Yeah. Or they're just not touchy about itย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋‹จ์ง€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ฏผ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
15:43
in the same way. Freddie will say, "I'm the bestย  digger in the world and I'm doing it the best, andย ย 
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. ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””๋Š” "๋‚˜๋Š” ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์ฑ„๊ตด์ž์ด๊ณ  ์ผ์„ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ž˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
15:50
I'm number one," and Theo will be kind of like ... Vanessa:ย 
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ 1์œ„์•ผ"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋ฉด ํ…Œ์˜ค๋Š” ๋‹ค์Œ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์ด ๋งํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
15:51
"Okay." Dan:ย 
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"์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค." ๋Œ„:
15:52
"Okay." Vanessa:ย 
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"์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค." Vanessa:
15:53
He knows you're not really, you'reย  just saying that because you're three.ย 
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์‚ฌ์‹ค์€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‹จ์ง€ 3์‚ด์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋ง์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์—์š”.
15:57
Dan: I'll show you later.ย 
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15:57
Vanessa: Yeah. Yeah. I thought that's good. That's good.ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ๋‚˜์ค‘์— ๋ณด์—ฌ๋“œ๋ฆด๊ฒŒ์š”.
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ์‘. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ๋‹ค. ์ข‹์•„์š”.
16:00
And having a good foundation for their friendship.ย  I mean, that's the goal. We want our kids to beย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์šฐ์ •์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ข‹์€ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฆ‰, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ชฉํ‘œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ํฌ๋ฉด ์นœ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์›ํ•˜๋ฉฐ
16:04
friends when they get older and now too. All right, let's go to our next question.ย ย 
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์ง€๊ธˆ๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์œผ๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:10
This one pivots a little bit from, yeah,ย  just talking about multiple children.ย ย 
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์–ด๋ฆฐ์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์—์„œ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ์ „ํ™˜๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:18
This question is a little deeper. Dan:ย 
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์ด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ๊นŠ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋Œ„:
16:19
Oh boy. Vanessa:ย 
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์•„ ์ด๋Ÿฐ. Vanessa:ย  ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ด ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ๋ถ€๋ชจ์˜ ์—ญํ• ์„ ๋Œ€์‹ ํ•˜๋Š” ์‹œ๋Œ€์—
16:20
The challenge of raising or parenting childrenย  at a time when technology ends up taking over aย ย 
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์ž๋…€๋ฅผ ํ‚ค์šฐ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์–‘์œกํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ์–ด๋ ค์›€์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
16:26
parent's role. Are tech devices dumbing downย  our children and what do we currently do?ย 
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. ๊ธฐ์ˆ  ๊ธฐ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ๋‘”ํ™”์‹œํ‚ค๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”? ํ˜„์žฌ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
16:33
Dan: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘, ์‘, ์‘, ์‘, ์‘, ์‘.
16:34
Vanessa: What do we currently doย ย 
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Vanessa: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ˜„์žฌ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•˜๊ณ 
16:36
and what do we plan to do as they get older?ย  So I think the essence of this question is-ย 
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์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐย ย ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋‚˜์ด๊ฐ€ ๋“ค๋ฉด ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•  ๊ณ„ํš์ธ๊ฐ€์š”? ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ์ด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์˜ ํ•ต์‹ฌ์€-
16:40
Dan: Wow, that's a great question.ย 
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Dan: ์™€, ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด๋„ค์š”.
16:41
Vanessa: How are screens and tech, I think by tech theyย ย 
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Vanessa: ์Šคํฌ๋ฆฐ๊ณผ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์€ ์–ด๋–ค๊ฐ€์š”? ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ด๋ž€
16:46
mean screens, affecting children in general. Andย  then how are we approaching that in our family?ย ย 
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์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์–ด๋ฆฐ์ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น˜๋Š” ์Šคํฌ๋ฆฐ์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์€ ์ด์— ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ ‘๊ทผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
16:54
Which that's a big question. Dan:ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํฐ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Dan:
16:56
Yeah, I think that's like ... Vanessa:ย 
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๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”... Vanessa:
16:57
That's something I feel very passionate about. Soย  I think this was Alex's question. Thank you, Alex,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งค์šฐ ์—ด์ •์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋Š๋ผ๋Š” ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด์—์š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด Alex์˜ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ข‹์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, Alex๋‹˜
17:01
for this great question. Dan:ย 
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. ๋Œ„:
17:02
Yeah. I mean, I think screens have theย  potential to absolutely ruin people,ย ย 
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๋„ค. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ํ™”๋ฉด์ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ, ๊ฐ€์กฑ, ์–ด๋ฆฐ์ด๋ฅผ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋ง์น  ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
17:08
families, children. Vanessa:ย 
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. Vanessa:
17:10
Adults too. Dan:ย 
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์–ด๋ฅธ๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€์ฃ . ๋Œ„:
17:11
Adults. Vanessa:ย 
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์„ฑ์ธ์ด์š”. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
17:12
Yeah. Dan:ย 
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17:12
Yeah. Vanessa:ย 
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๋„ค. ๋Œ„:
๋„ค. Vanessa:
17:13
But children are just, they don't know whatย  they're getting into. So adults at least haveย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์•„์ด๋“ค์€ ์ž์‹ ์ด ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์ž˜ ๋ชจ๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์ ์–ด๋„ ์–ด๋ฅธ๋“ค์€ ์ž์‹ ์˜
17:18
control over their lives. Dan:ย 
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์‚ถ์„ ํ†ต์ œํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Dan:
17:19
Starting them young is not probably the bestย  idea. And I don't think people appreciate theย ย 
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์–ด๋ ค์„œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์ตœ์„ ์˜ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋Š” ์•„๋‹ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€
17:25
addictive qualities of these things.ย  People design these to hook you in,ย ย 
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์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์˜ ์ค‘๋…์„ฑ์„ ๋†’์ด ํ‰๊ฐ€ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ๋กœ์žก๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์žฅ์น˜๋ฅผ ์„ค๊ณ„ํ•˜๋ฏ€๋กœ
17:32
so you'll use them for hours and hours.ย  And so, yeah, for us, I mean, our kids,ย ย 
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์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž๋Š” ๋ช‡ ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ, ๋„ค, ์ œ ๋ง์€, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค์€
17:38
they do watch stuff on TV, but it's just for aย  little bit of time, and then they just have toย ย 
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TV์—์„œ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ธด ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์•„์ฃผ ์ž ์‹œ์ผ ๋ฟ์ด๊ณ  ๊ทธ ๋‹ค์Œ์—๋Š”
17:44
go outside or play. Vanessa:ย 
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๋ฐ–์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜๊ฐ€๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋†€๊ธฐ๋งŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Vanessa:
17:45
Yeah, so usually- Dan:ย 
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๋„ค, ๋ณดํ†ต ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ - Dan:
17:46
And then they don't have iPods,ย  no computers, no phones, nothing.ย 
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๊ฒŒ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ iPod๋„ ์—†๊ณ , ์ปดํ“จํ„ฐ๋„ ์—†๊ณ , ์ „ํ™”๊ธฐ๋„ ์—†๊ณ , ์•„๋ฌด๊ฒƒ๋„ ์—†์–ด์š”.
17:49
Vanessa: iPods?ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•„์ดํŒŸ?
17:50
Dan: iPads.ย 
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17:50
Vanessa: iPods back in the-ย 
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๋Œ„: ์•„์ดํŒจ๋“œ์š”.
Vanessa: iPod์ด ๋‹ค์‹œ-
17:51
Dan: This is the future-ย 
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Dan: ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค-
17:52
Vanessa: ... 2000s. Hey,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ... 2000๋…„๋Œ€. ์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”,
17:54
we used to have iPods back in the day. Dan:ย 
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์˜ˆ์ „์—๋Š” iPod์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋Œ„:
17:55
Like iPods. Vanessa:ย 
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17:55
Yeah. I think that two decisions that weย  decided to make as a family about tech soย ย 
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iPod๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
๋„ค. ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ๊ฐ€์กฑ์œผ๋กœ์„œ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•œ ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๊ฒฐ์ •์€
18:02
far so our kid, oldest- Dan:ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด์ธ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ Dan:
18:03
And they're young, so it's a little easier. Vanessa:ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์–ด๋ ค์„œ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ์‰ฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Vanessa:
18:05
Yeah, our oldest is only six. I mean,ย  some people would say it's harderย ย 
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๋„ค, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํฐํ˜•์€ ๊ฒจ์šฐ ์—ฌ์„ฏ ์‚ด์ด์—์š”. ๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€
18:07
because it acts as a free babysitter. Dan:ย 
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๋ฌด๋ฃŒ ๋ฒ ์ด๋น„์‹œํ„ฐ ์—ญํ• ์„ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋” ์–ด๋ ต๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Dan:
18:08
They don't have the friends yetย  being like, "Get this thing."ย 
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์•„์ง ์นœ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ์—†์–ด์„œ '์ด๊ฑฐ ์‚ฌ์„ธ์š”'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
18:13
Vanessa: Yeah. But whatย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
18:14
I mean is people will give their kid a tabletย  and it makes the parent have an easier time.ย 
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๋‚ด ๋ง์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ž๋…€์—๊ฒŒ ํƒœ๋ธ”๋ฆฟ์„ ์ฃผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ๋” ์‰ฝ๊ฒŒ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋‚ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:20
Dan: Oh, well,ย ย 
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Dan: ์•„, ๋ญ,
18:21
that's true. The TV is really nice whenever youย  need a break. That is the very true statement.ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด์—์š”. ํœด์‹์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•  ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค TV๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์ง„์‹คํ•œ ์ง„์ˆ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:26
Vanessa: So the two things that we decidedย ย 
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€
18:28
to do as a family with tech is one, we don'tย  own any tablets, but to not give our childrenย ย 
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๊ธฐ์ˆ ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์ด ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•œ ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ผ์€ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํƒœ๋ธ”๋ฆฟ์„ ์†Œ์œ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ ์ž๋…€์—๊ฒŒ
18:36
a phone or a tablet, so something personal. Andย  instead when we watch something, we watch it onย ย 
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ํœด๋Œ€์ „ํ™”๋‚˜ ํƒœ๋ธ”๋ฆฟ์„ ์ฃผ์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ์ผ์„ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ณผ ๋•Œ ๋Œ€์‹  TV์—์„œ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๋ฏ€๋กœ
18:42
the TV so it's kind of a community experience.ย  Even if I'm not watching it, if I'm making lunchย ย 
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์ผ์ข…์˜ ์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆํ‹ฐ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋”๋ผ๋„ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ ์‹ฌ์„ ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ์ƒ๋Œ€๋ฐฉ์ด
18:48
and they're watching it, it's not this type ofย  thing. Instead, they're watching together andย ย 
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์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋Œ€์‹ , ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ
18:56
it's a little bit more of a public experience. And I'm sure this will change over time as theyย ย 
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์ข€ ๋” ๊ณต๊ฐœ์ ์ธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์— ๊ฐ€๊น์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ง€๋‚˜๋ฉด์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋‚˜์ด๊ฐ€ ๋“ค๋ฉด์„œ ๋ณ€ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
19:00
get older. But that was kind of one of our goalsย  because in our relationship, we lived for a longย ย 
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. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๋ชฉํ‘œ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ด€๊ณ„์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
19:06
time without a TV in our house. And when we movedย  to this house, we had to decide how to use it. Andย ย 
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์ง‘์— TV ์—†์ด ์˜ค๋žซ๋™์•ˆ ์‚ด์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด ์ง‘์œผ๋กœ ์ด์‚ฌํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ• ์ง€ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•ด์•ผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
19:13
especially with children, that's tricky. Soย  we decided no personal device, just the TV.ย 
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ํŠนํžˆ ์–ด๋ฆฐ์ด์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด๋Š” ๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กญ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฐœ์ธ์šฉ ๊ธฐ๊ธฐ๋Š” ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  TV๋งŒ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:20
And the second one was have a set time, and alsoย  kind of time of day when they watch something. Soย ย 
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๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ์ •ํ•ด์ง„ ์‹œ๊ฐ„๊ณผ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์ •ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
19:30
this has worked well for us. Our kids are small.ย  I'm sure if you have a 12-year-old, you're saying,ย ย 
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์ด ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ํฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค์€ ์ž‘์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 12์‚ด์งœ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
19:34
"Oh, you have it so easy." Dan:ย 
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'์•„, ์ฐธ ์‰ฝ๊ตฌ๋‚˜'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. Dan:
19:36
Well, this works a lot better if you start themย  young. It's much easier to say, "Hey, this is whatย ย 
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์Œ, ์–ด๋ฆด ๋•Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋ฉด ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ํšจ๊ณผ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . "์•ผ, ์ด๊ฒŒ
19:42
we do," than, "Hey, you watched all this TV, let'sย  take it away." That's not going to work so well.ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์ด์•ผ"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด "์•ผ, ์ด TV ๋‹ค ๋ดค์ž–์•„, ์น˜์›Œ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ž "๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ›จ์”ฌ ์‰ฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ์ž˜ ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:45
Vanessa: Yeah, it's harder to go back.ย 
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Vanessa: ์‘, ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ๋” ํž˜๋“ค์–ด.
19:47
Dan: Or, "Here's a tablet. Nevermind,ย ย 
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Dan: ๋˜๋Š” "์—ฌ๊ธฐ ํƒœ๋ธ”๋ฆฟ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฑฑ์ •ํ•˜์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”.
19:49
you can't have a tablet." That's not going to workย  so well, or it's not going to be fun for a while.ย 
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ํƒœ๋ธ”๋ฆฟ์€ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค." ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด ์ž˜ ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ํ•œ๋™์•ˆ ์žฌ๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์—†์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:53
Vanessa: Yeah. So what weย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€
19:54
have done for our kids is there's a specific timeย  of day. Usually it's before lunch or after lunch,ย ย 
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์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ํ•œ ์ผ์€ ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ค‘ ํŠน์ • ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋ณดํ†ต ์ด๋ง˜๋•Œ์ฏค ์ ์‹ฌ ์ „์ด๋‚˜ ์ ์‹ฌ ์‹์‚ฌ ํ›„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
20:00
like around this time. And they before, maybeย  like a couple months ago, Freddie started to care,ย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์ „์—๋Š”, ์•„๋งˆ ๋ช‡ ๋‹ฌ ์ „๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””๊ฐ€ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ,
20:07
but Freddie didn't really care about watchingย  something. He was too young, two years old. Heย ย 
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ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””๋Š” ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋ณ„๋กœ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๋‘์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋Š” ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์–ด๋ ค์„œ ๋‘ ์‚ด์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Š”
20:13
didn't really care. But Theo would choose oneย  program, and this was something that we thoughtย ย 
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๋ณ„๋กœ ์‹ ๊ฒฝ์“ฐ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ Theo๋Š” ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์„ ์„ ํƒํ–ˆ๊ณ  ์ด๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
20:18
was okay. So I think the quality of what they'reย  watching is important. And obviously that's veryย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์‹œ์ฒญ์ž๊ฐ€ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๋Š” ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ ์˜ ํ’ˆ์งˆ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ
20:23
subjective, what you consider quality. But weย  had a couple shows that we thought were okay.ย 
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์ฃผ๊ด€์ ์ด๋ฉฐ ํ’ˆ์งˆ์„ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ดœ์ฐฎ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐœ์˜ ์‡ผ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:30
And Theo could choose one show, like 30 minutes.ย  He could choose which one he wanted to watch. Andย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ…Œ์˜ค๋Š” 30๋ถ„ ์ •๋„์˜ ์‡ผ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋ฅผ ์„ ํƒํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ž์‹ ์ด ๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์„ ํƒํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
20:37
when that show is finished, it's done. That'sย  it. So he watched something for 30 minutes.ย ย 
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๊ทธ ์‡ผ๊ฐ€ ๋๋‚˜๋ฉด ๋๋‚œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š” . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋Š” 30๋ถ„ ๋™์•ˆ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ณด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:41
And now that Freddie is also a little bit olderย  and he's wanting to choose something himself,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด์ œ ํ”„๋ ˆ๋””๋„ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋‚˜์ด๊ฐ€ ๋“ค์–ด์„œ ์Šค์Šค๋กœ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์„ ํƒํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•˜๋‹ˆ,
20:46
they each choose something. And so they watchย  for one hour most days. I would say in the summerย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ฐ์ž ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์„ ํƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ๋‚  1์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฌ๋ฆ„์—๋Š”
20:53
it's every day, during- Dan:ย 
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๋งค์ผ, ์ˆ˜์—… ์ค‘์—๋Š”- Dan:
20:54
But not during the school year. Vanessa:ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํ•™๋…„ ์ค‘์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Vanessa:
20:55
During the school year they don't watch anythingย  except on the weekends. But I feel like thisย ย 
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ํ•™๋…„ ์ค‘์—๋Š” ์ฃผ๋ง ์™ธ์—๋Š” ์•„๋ฌด๊ฒƒ๋„ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ์ด
21:00
specific time of day and a specific length, it'sย  not just five minute YouTube videos, and thenย ย 
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ํŠน์ •ํ•œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„๊ณผ ํŠน์ •ํ•œ ๊ธธ์ด๊ฐ€ ๋‹จ์ง€ 5๋ถ„์งœ๋ฆฌ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
21:08
it keeps going and keeps going, and then it'sย  hard to stop that flow. I think as adults, it'sย ย 
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๊ณ„์† ํ๋ฅด๊ณ  ๊ณ„์† ํ๋ฅด๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ ํ๋ฆ„์„ ๋ฉˆ์ถ”๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋ ต๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋Š๋‚๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด๋ฅธ์œผ๋กœ์„œ
21:13
hard to stop that when you're watching something,ย  especially something short. There's no definitiveย ย 
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๋ญ”๊ฐ€, ํŠนํžˆ ์งง์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณผ ๋•Œ ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ๋ฉˆ์ถ”๊ธฐ๋Š” ์–ด๋ ค์šธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š” . ํ™•์‹คํ•œ
21:19
end. But for our kids, that has worked so well. There's times of course, when we turn it off andย ย 
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๋์€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์•„์ฃผ ์ž˜ ๋จนํ˜”์–ด์š”. ๋ฌผ๋ก  ์ „์›์„ ๋„๋ฉด
21:26
they're cranky or they're fussy, but overall,ย  this has worked so well. And the truth is,ย ย 
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์งœ์ฆ์ด ๋‚˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กœ์›Œ์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ด ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์€ ๋งค์šฐ ํšจ๊ณผ์ ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‚ฌ์‹ค์€ ํ•˜๋ฃจ 4์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ TV๋ฅผ ๋ฒ ์ด๋น„์‹œํ„ฐ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ
21:31
it is harder as parents because weย  don't use the TV as a babysitterย ย 
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๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋กœ์„œ ๋” ํž˜๋“  ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
21:37
for four hours a day. They're not watching evenย  two hours a day. I think at least the scienceย ย 
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. ํ•˜๋ฃจ์— ๋‘ ์‹œ๊ฐ„๋„ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ ์–ด๋„
21:46
as of now, 2023, says that one hour of TV perย  day for children over the age of two is fine.ย 
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2023๋…„ ํ˜„์žฌ ๊ณผํ•™์—์„œ๋Š” 2์„ธ ์ด์ƒ์˜ ์–ด๋ฆฐ์ด์—๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋ฃจ์— 1์‹œ๊ฐ„์”ฉ TV๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:55
There's not negative consequences. Obviously, ifย  they're watching, I don't know, a horror movie,ย ย 
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๋ถ€์ •์ ์ธ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ, ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ณตํฌ ์˜ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ์ž˜ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ,
22:00
it's not a good idea, but something appropriateย  for children, that's the guidelines. And for me,ย ย 
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์ข‹์€ ์ƒ๊ฐ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์–ด๋ฆฐ์ด์—๊ฒŒ ์ ํ•ฉํ•œ ๊ฒƒ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ง€์นจ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋กœ์„œ๋Š”
22:10
that kind of relieved me of some guilt becauseย  I was like, "My kids aren't going to watch TV.ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์ฃ„์ฑ…๊ฐ์ด ์–ด๋Š ์ •๋„ ํ•ด์†Œ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ €๋Š” '๋‚ด ์•„์ด๋“ค์€ TV๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฑฐ์•ผ.
22:15
They're not going to watch screens," blah, blah,ย  blah. And then I saw that, and I feel like I canย ย 
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ํ™”๋ฉด๋„ ๋ณด์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฑฐ์•ผ'๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ๋ณด๊ณ  2์„ธ ์ด์ƒ์€
22:20
trust that one hour, limited time over the ageย  of two, so under the age of two, no screens areย ย 
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1์‹œ๊ฐ„, ์ œํ•œ๋œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ฏฟ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒ ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ 2์„ธ ๋ฏธ๋งŒ์˜ ํ™”๋ฉด์€
22:29
good for kids, but this kind of idea that this isย  okay can kind of relieve you if you're the kindย ย 
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์•„์ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ทธ๋ž˜๋„ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ƒ๊ฐ์€ ์นœ์ ˆํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋ผ๋ฉด ์•ˆ์‹ฌํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒ ๋„ค์š”
22:38
of parent, I think especially moms sufferย  from this, who would feel guilty about,ย ย 
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. ํŠนํžˆ ์—„๋งˆ๋“ค์ด ์ด๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ๊ณ ํ†ต์„ ๊ฒช์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์ฃ„์ฑ…๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๋ผ๋Š” ์—„๋งˆ๋ผ๋ฉด,
22:44
yeah, making a decision about lettingย  your kid watch TV or whatever it might be,ย ย 
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์•„์ด์—๊ฒŒ TV๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ ๋ฐ–์˜ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋“  ํ•˜๋„๋ก ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด,ย ย -
22:48
something that- Dan:ย 
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Dan:
22:49
I think most parents let their kids watch TV. Vanessa:ย 
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋Š” ์ž๋…€๊ฐ€ TV๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๋„๋ก ํ—ˆ์šฉํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
22:51
Yes. But I think a lot of people feel guiltyย  about it. They probably do it, but might feelย ย 
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๋„ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ฃ„์ฑ…๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š” . ์•„๋งˆ ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ฃ„์ฑ…๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๋‚„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
22:54
guilty. So I think this kind of relieved meย  of some guilt. Anyway, that's what we do.ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด ์ผ๋กœ ์ฃ„์ฑ…๊ฐ์ด ์–ด๋Š ์ •๋„ ํ•ด์†Œ๋œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š” . ์–ด์จŒ๋“ , ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์ด์—์š”.
23:00
What about the future, because part of this is ... Dan:ย 
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๋ฏธ๋ž˜๋Š” ์–ด๋–ป์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ด๊ฒƒ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ... Dan:
23:01
Well, yeah, the elephant in the room is phones. Vanessa:ย 
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๋„ค, ๋ฐฉ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์ฝ”๋ผ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ „ํ™”๊ธฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
23:03
What do we plan to do? Yeah, what do we plan to doย  as they get older? And the plan might be differentย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•  ๊ณ„ํš์ธ๊ฐ€์š”? ๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋‚˜์ด๊ฐ€ ๋“ค๋ฉด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ•  ๊ณ„ํš์ธ๊ฐ€์š” ? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ณ„ํš์€
23:08
from the reality. Dan:ย 
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ํ˜„์‹ค๊ณผ ๋‹ค๋ฅผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Dan:
23:10
Well, yeah- Vanessa:ย 
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์Œ, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ - Vanessa:
23:11
But do you have a plan? Dan:ย 
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23:11
I mean, we don't have a solid plan yet,ย  because we're not sure. I have seen theseย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๊ณ„ํš์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”? Dan:
๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•„์ง ํ™•์‹คํ•œ ๊ณ„ํš์ด ์—†๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ™•์‹คํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ์ด
23:16
phones that are, they're kind of likeย  safe phones for kids and they can chat.ย ย 
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์ „ํ™”๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์•„์ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์•ˆ์ „ํ•œ ์ „ํ™”๊ธฐ ๊ฐ™๊ณ  ์ฑ„ํŒ…๋„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:21
But I guess even chatting can be dangerous. Vanessa:ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ฑ„ํŒ…์กฐ์ฐจ ์œ„ํ—˜ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
23:23
Yeah. Like text their friends kind of thing. Dan:ย 
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๋„ค. ์นœ๊ตฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌธ์ž๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋‚ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Dan:
23:25
Yeah, and it's got a lot of parental controlsย  on it. So that would be one option. But Iย ย 
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๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์ž๋…€ ๋ณดํ˜ธ ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ์„ ํƒ์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚œ
23:31
probably wouldn't even give them any phoneย  until they're in their, I don't know, mid-ย 
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด 30๋Œ€ ์ค‘๋ฐ˜์ด ๋  ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ „ํ™”์กฐ์ฐจ ์ฃผ์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
23:35
Vanessa: 30s.ย 
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23:36
Dan: I was going to say mid-teens.ย 
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Dan: 10๋Œ€ ์ค‘๋ฐ˜์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
23:39
Vanessa: Yeah. I think ...ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—”...
23:40
Dan: I don't know. I don't see anyย ย 
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Dan: ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”.
23:42
reason why they would need one. Vanessa:ย 
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์™œ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ์ง€ย ย  ์ด์œ ๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
23:43
Yeah. I think the trickinessย  comes when their peers ...ย 
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๋„ค. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กœ์›€์€ ๋™๋ฃŒ๋“ค์ด...
23:46
Dan: Their peers are going toย ย 
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Dan: ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๋™๋ฃŒ๋“ค์ด
23:47
be pressuring them for sure- Vanessa:ย 
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์••๋ฐ•์„ ๊ฐ€ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Vanessa:
23:48
Have phones, and then, yeah, they come home andย  say, "Mom, you're the worst mom ever. I don'tย ย 
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์ „ํ™”๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์ง‘์— ์™€์„œ๋Š” "์—„๋งˆ, ๋„Œ ์ตœ์•…์˜ ์—„๋งˆ์•ผ"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์ฃ . . ๋‚˜
23:53
have a phone. I hate you," blah, blah, blah.ย  And that continues forever. That's tricky.ย 
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์ „ํ™”๊ธฐ ์—†์–ด. ๋„ˆ ์‹ซ์–ด." ์–ด์ฉŒ๊ตฌ ์ €์ฉŒ๊ตฌ. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์˜์›ํžˆ ๊ณ„์†๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๊นŒ๋‹ค ๋กญ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:58
Dan: I don't think they'll necessarily say that.ย 
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Dan: ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ผญ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์•„์š”.
24:00
Vanessa: Mark my words, sweetheart.ย 
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Vanessa: ๋‚ด ๋ง์„ ๋ช…์‹ฌํ•ด, ์–˜์•ผ.
24:01
Dan: I was homeschooledย ย 
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24:01
and I never said that to my parents. Vanessa:ย 
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Dan: ์ €๋Š” ํ™ˆ์Šค์ฟจ๋ง์„ ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜ํ•œํ…Œ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋ง์„ ํ•œ ์ ์ด ์—†์–ด์š”. Vanessa:
24:07
Well, did you have peers though? Were you at aย  school where you had lots of peers? I think youย ย 
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์Œ, ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๋™๋ฃŒ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”? ๋˜๋ž˜๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์€ ํ•™๊ต์— ๋‹ค๋…”๋‚˜์š”? ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๋‹น์‹ ์€
24:11
were really removed from that. Dan:ย 
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์ •๋ง ๊ทธ ์ผ์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. Dan:
24:12
Oh, well, later on, yeah. Vanessa:ย 
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์•„, ์Œ, ๋‚˜์ค‘์—์š”. ์˜ˆ. Vanessa:
24:14
And we were growing up in the '90s. It was veryย  different. My family didn't have a phone until ...ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” 90๋…„๋Œ€์— ์„ฑ์žฅํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งค์šฐ ๋‹ฌ๋ž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์€ ๊ทธ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€ ์ „ํ™”๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค...
24:20
Dan: I got pretty angsty about video games.ย 
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Dan: ์ €๋Š” ๋น„๋””์˜ค ๊ฒŒ์ž„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฝค ๋ถˆ์•ˆํ•ด์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:22
Vanessa: There's always something to get angsty about.ย 
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Vanessa: ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋ถˆ์•ˆํ•ด์ง€๋Š” ์ผ์ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
24:23
Dan: Like, "Why can't you buy me a Nintendo 64, Mom?"ย 
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Dan: "์—„๋งˆ, ์™œ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ Nintendo 64๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์ค„ ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋‚˜์š”?"
24:26
Vanessa: Yeah. I think teenagers are goingย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ์‹ญ๋Œ€๋“ค์€
24:30
to be tricky no matter what. That's just the wayย  it goes. I say this as someone who has no teens atย ย 
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๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์žˆ์–ด๋„ ๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กœ์›Œ์งˆ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ทธ ๋ฐฉ์‹์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์‹ญ๋Œ€ ์ž๋…€๊ฐ€ ์—†๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์œผ๋กœ์„œ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ง€๋งŒ
24:35
the moment, but I feel like as parents, we have aย  responsibility to deliver our children safely intoย ย 
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, ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋กœ์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ์„ฑ์ธ์ด ๋  ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€ ์•ˆ์ „ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ธ๋„ํ•  ์ฑ…์ž„์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
24:44
adulthood. That's the goal of parenting. Dan:ย 
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. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์œก์•„์˜ ๋ชฉํ‘œ์ด๋‹ค. Dan:
24:47
Safely and not being a drain on society. Vanessa:ย 
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์•ˆ์ „ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‚ฌํšŒ์— ์ง€์žฅ์„ ์ฃผ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Vanessa:
24:51
I think that's part of that. Dan:ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ ์ผ๋ถ€์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. Dan:
24:52
By being a productive member. Vanessa:ย 
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์ƒ์‚ฐ์ ์ธ ํšŒ์›์ด ๋จ์œผ๋กœ์จ์š”. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
24:53
Yeah. So part of technology is not just, "Oh, Iย  don't want you looking at a screen," but thereย ย 
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๋„ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ๋‹จ์ˆœํžˆ "์•„, ํ™”๋ฉด์„ ๋ณด์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์œผ๋ฉด ์ข‹๊ฒ ์–ด"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
25:00
are things about being addicted to technology orย  chatting with a stranger online that are extremelyย ย 
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๊ธฐ์ˆ ์— ์ค‘๋…๋˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ์—์„œ ๋‚ฏ์„  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ์ฑ„ํŒ…ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์—๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ
25:09
dangerous. And yes, there will be, I'm sure, a lotย  of tension about why can't I use these apps? Whyย ย 
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์œ„ํ—˜ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ ์ด ์•ฑ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š”์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งŽ์€ ๊ธด์žฅ๊ฐ์ด ์ƒ๊ธธ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ
25:17
can't I use this social media? Dan:ย 
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์ด ์†Œ์…œ ๋ฏธ๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋‚˜์š”? ๋Œ„:
25:18
Video games. Vanessa:ย 
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25:18
Why can't I play video games all day? My friendsย  do this. I'm sure there will be a lot of tensionย ย 
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๋น„๋””์˜ค ๊ฒŒ์ž„. Vanessa:
์™œ ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ข…์ผ ๋น„๋””์˜ค ๊ฒŒ์ž„์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋‚˜์š”? ๋‚ด ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค์€ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์š”.
25:23
with our kids about that. That's inevitable.ย  But I do think that it's a tricky decisionย ย 
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๊ทธ ์ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค์€ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ธด์žฅ๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๋‚„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ถˆ๊ฐ€ํ”ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํ•œ๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ํŒŒ์•…ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กœ์šด ๊ฒฐ์ •์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
25:29
to figure out what's the line. But my goal is to make sure thatย ย 
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. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋Š”
25:35
our kids are safe, not just physically safe,ย  but mentally and emotionally safe. And thereย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ์‹ ์ฒด์ ์œผ๋กœ ์•ˆ์ „ํ•  ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์ •์‹ ์ ์œผ๋กœ๋‚˜ ๊ฐ์ •์ ์œผ๋กœ๋„ ์•ˆ์ „ํ•œ์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
25:42
is more and more evidence showing that the moreย  screen time you have, the more apps you use thatย ย 
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๊ธฐ๊ธฐ ์‚ฌ์šฉ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๋งŽ์„์ˆ˜๋ก
25:49
let you chat with strangers, this is so dangerousย  and it's everywhere. So I really want to be awareย ย 
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๋‚ฏ์„  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ์ฑ„ํŒ…ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์•ฑ์„ ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ์‚ฌ์šฉํ• ์ˆ˜๋ก ์ด๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ์œ„ํ—˜ํ•˜๋ฉฐ ์–ด๋””์—๋‚˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ฆ๊ฑฐ๊ฐ€ ์ ์  ๋” ๋งŽ์•„์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š”
25:56
constantly of what our kids are exposed to andย  train them to realize that, yes, it's hard. Yes,ย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์— ๋…ธ์ถœ๋˜๋Š”์ง€ ์ง€์†์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ธ์‹ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ด๋ ต๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊นจ๋‹ซ๋„๋ก ํ›ˆ๋ จ์‹œํ‚ค๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋„ค,
26:05
you're not going to like me about this. Yes,ย  it's going to be ... you're going to be differentย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ด๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋‚˜๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ, ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค... ๋‹น์‹ ์€
26:10
probably from your peers due to not always ... Dan:ย 
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋™๋ฃŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ๋‹ค๋ฅผ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ผ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค... Dan:
26:13
To some degree. Vanessa:ย 
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์–ด๋Š ์ •๋„์š”. Vanessa:ย  ํ•˜๋ฃจ
26:14
Looking at a phone and playing video games allย  day. But that's still for the best. So it'sย ย 
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์ข…์ผ ํœด๋Œ€์ „ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ  ๋น„๋””์˜ค ๊ฒŒ์ž„์„ ํ•ด์š” . ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ โ€‹โ€‹์ตœ์„ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
26:21
going to be hard, I'm sure. Dan:ย 
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์–ด๋ ค์šธ ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•ด์š”. Dan:ย  ์ง€๊ธˆ
26:23
I've found so far too, having some parentsย  and kids with like-minds really helps.ย 
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๊นŒ์ง€ ์•Œ์•„๋ณธ ๋ฐ”์— ๋”ฐ๋ฅด๋ฉด, ๊ฐ™์€ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ๋ถ€๋ชจ์™€ ์ž๋…€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •๋ง ๋„์›€์ด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:29
Vanessa: Like-minded parents, yeah.ย 
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Vanessa: ๊ฐ™์€ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์ด๊ตฐ์š”. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ .
26:30
Dan: Yeah, like-minded parents and kids, becauseย ย 
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Dan: ๋„ค, ๊ฐ™์€ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ๋ถ€๋ชจ์™€ ์•„์ด๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด
26:33
I don't know if it's going to continue. I thinkย  it gets harder, but as of now, a lot of parentsย ย 
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๊ณ„์†๋ ์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ ์  ๋” ์–ด๋ ค์›Œ์งˆ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์ง€๋งŒ ์ง€๊ธˆ์€
26:39
of younger kids are like, "We don't want them toย  use this stuff all the time. We've seen what it'sย ย 
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์–ด๋ฆฐ ์ž๋…€๋ฅผ ๋‘” ๋งŽ์€ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋“ค์ด '์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ์ด ๋ฌผ๊ฑด์„ ํ•ญ์ƒ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์›ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด
26:44
done to me, or my family," or, "My brother stillย  plays Pokemon until the wee hours of the morning."ย ย 
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๋‚˜๋‚˜ ๋‚ด ๊ฐ€์กฑ์—๊ฒŒ ์–ด๋–ค ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น˜๋Š”์ง€ ๋ณด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. " ๋˜๋Š” "๋‚ด ๋™์ƒ์€ ์•„์ง๋„ ์ƒˆ๋ฒฝ๊นŒ์ง€ ํฌ์ผ“๋ชฌ ๊ฒŒ์ž„์„ ํ•ด์š”."
26:51
That's kind of weird. So stuff like that. Vanessa:ย 
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์ข€ ์ด์ƒํ•˜๋„ค์š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ. Vanessa:
26:55
If your friends kids have friendsย  that are doing the same things-ย 
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์นœ๊ตฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ์นœ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด-
26:58
Dan: I think the hope is that they haveย ย 
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Dan:
26:59
friends who are kind of doing similar things andย  then they won't feel so left out. Hopefully otherย ย 
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๋น„์Šทํ•œ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ์นœ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์–ด์„œ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์†Œ์™ธ๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๋ผ์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๋‹ค๋ฅธ
27:06
parents have enough fortitude to say. Vanessa:ย 
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๋ถ€๋ชจ๋“ค๋„ ์šฉ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
27:09
Yeah. And personally I don't- Dan:ย 
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๋„ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Dan:
27:10
That they're going to put some boundaries on it.ย  Although I think there is some gray area. You canย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ์–ด๋Š ์ •๋„ ๊ฒฝ๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๋‘๊ฒ ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋ก ํšŒ์ƒ‰์ง€๋Œ€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ.
27:16
test the waters with some things, make it veryย  clear upfront and see how they handle it. But Iย ย 
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๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์‚ฌํ•ญ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธํ•˜๊ณ , ๋ฏธ๋ฆฌ ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ
27:22
think the internet in general is so unboundย  the way that you can just two clicks away,ย ย 
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์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท์€ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ํด๋ฆญ ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์ด๋ฉด ๋  ์ •๋„๋กœ ๋งค์šฐ ์ž์œ ๋กญ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:29
pornography, stuff like that isย  just rampant all over the place.ย 
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์Œ๋ž€๋ฌผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ๋„์ฒ˜์— ๋งŒ์—ฐํ•ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:33
Vanessa: Dangerous for children.ย 
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27:33
Dan: And so I thinkย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•„์ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์œ„ํ—˜ํ•ด์š”.
Dan: ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”
27:36
that's a really difficult area to say, "Here.ย  You can just. Yeah, go ahead kid." Yeah, no way.ย 
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"์—ฌ๊ธฐ์š”. ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ํ•˜์…”๋„ ๋ผ์š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ์–ด์„œ ๊ฐ€์„ธ์š”."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง ์–ด๋ ค์šด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์‘, ์ ˆ๋Œ€ ์•ˆ๋ผ.
27:42
Vanessa: Yeah. That's kindย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€
27:44
of the idea of keeping our children's minds andย  bodies safe. And the internet is quite unknown,ย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค์˜ ๋ชธ๊ณผ ๋งˆ์Œ์„ ์•ˆ์ „ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ง€ํ‚ค๋ ค๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท์€ ์ž˜ ์•Œ๋ ค์ง€์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์ง€๋งŒ
27:51
but I do think, I do have hope that as especiallyย  our generation grows up as parents, there's moreย ย 
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ํŠนํžˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์„ธ๋Œ€๊ฐ€ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋กœ์„œ ์„ฑ์žฅํ•จ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋” ๋งŽ์€
27:59
information and more studies, and I think there isย  kind of a movement away from unlimited technologyย ย 
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์ •๋ณด์™€ ์—ฐ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋Š” ํฌ๋ง์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
28:05
for children and ... Dan:ย 
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. .. Dan:
28:07
Or just people in general. Vanessa:ย 
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด๋˜๊ฐ€์š”. Vanessa:
28:09
Yeah, for people in general to say, "Yeah, I don'tย  really want to look at Facebook all day. Yeah, Iย ย 
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๋„ค, ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด "๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๋‚œ ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ข…์ผ Facebook์„ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์•„. ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๋‚œ Vanessa์˜ ๋™์˜์ƒ์„
28:13
don't really want to watch YouTube all day exceptย  for Vanessa's videos." No, don't watch my videosย ย 
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์ œ์™ธํ•˜๊ณ ๋Š” ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ข…์ผ YouTube๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์•„ ."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”, ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ข…์ผ ๋‚ด ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”
28:18
all day, please. But this kind of idea that we'reย  becoming more aware of the addictive quality.ย 
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. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ค‘๋…์„ฑ ์žˆ๋Š” ํŠน์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ์ธ์‹ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:25
So I have hope that in the future there will beย  more people who want to just be careful aboutย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•ž์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ์ž๋…€์˜ ๊ธฐ์ˆ  ๋ฐ ํ™”๋ฉด ์†Œ๋น„ ๋“ฑ์— ์ฃผ์˜ํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋” ๋งŽ์•„์ง€๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
28:32
their kids' consumption of technology and screensย  and whatnot. It's not all bad, but you definitelyย ย 
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. ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋‚˜์œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ํ™•์‹คํžˆ
28:38
have to be very careful. Dan:ย 
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๋งค์šฐ ์กฐ์‹ฌํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Dan:
28:40
Bad is always hiding around the corner. Vanessa:ย 
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๋‚˜์œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋ชจํ‰์ด์— ์ˆจ์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Vanessa:
28:42
Yes, lurking. All right, let's go to our final question.ย ย 
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๋„ค, ์ˆจ์–ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:46
We do have a bonus question. Let's see if we haveย  time to get to it. But the fourth question is:ย ย 
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๋ณด๋„ˆ์Šค ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ ‘๊ทผํ•  ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์‚ดํŽด๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋„ค ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ๋‹ค์Œ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:52
How do you and Dan usually manage the houseworkย  and the childcare? How do you decide which of youย ย 
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๊ท€ํ•˜์™€ Dan์€ ์ง‘์•ˆ์ผ๊ณผ ์œก์•„๋ฅผ ๋ณดํ†ต ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ด€๋ฆฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ? ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€
28:57
will take care of what? And the little extraย  part of this question is the student asks:ย ย 
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๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌํ• ์ง€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๋‚˜์š”? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์˜ ์ž‘์€ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ํ•™์ƒ์ด ๋ฌป๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:03
I'd like to know some common expressions to askย  someone like can you wash the dishes? I'll doย ย 
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์—๊ฒŒ ' ์„ค๊ฑฐ์ง€๋ฅผ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”? ๋‚ด๊ฐ€
29:09
the dishes for you. These types of expressions. So little teaser. When I talk about the vocabularyย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์„ค๊ฑฐ์ง€๋ฅผ ํ• ๊ฒŒ์š”. ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ํ‘œํ˜„๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ž‘์€ ํ‹ฐ์ €.
29:14
from today's lesson in a few weeks, I'll giveย  you some expressions to talk about chores,ย ย 
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๋ช‡ ์ฃผ ํ›„์— ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์ˆ˜์—…์˜ ์–ดํœ˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๋•Œ, ์ง‘์•ˆ์ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๋•Œ,
29:19
about how to delegate chores. Like, "Oh, I'llย  do the dishes for you tonight. I know you'reย ย 
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์ง‘์•ˆ์ผ์„ ์œ„์ž„ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ํ‘œํ˜„์„ ์•Œ๋ ค ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. "์•„, ์˜ค๋Š˜ ๋ฐค์—๋Š” ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์„ค๊ฑฐ์ง€๋ฅผ ํ•ด์ค„๊ฒŒ. ๋„ˆ
29:23
really tired." Those types of expressions.ย  So coming soon to a YouTube video near you.ย 
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์ •๋ง ํ”ผ๊ณคํ•œ ๊ฑฐ ์•Œ์•„." ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ํ‘œํ˜„๋“ค์ด์—์š”. ๊ณง ๊ฐ€๊นŒ์šด ๊ณณ์—์„œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:29
Yeah, how do we decide who will take care of what? Dan:ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌํ• ์ง€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜์ง€? Dan:
29:31
Well, first of all, I have to preface that I thinkย  we are pretty mid-tier in the chore category.ย 
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์Œ, ์šฐ์„  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์žก์ผ ๋ถ€๋ฌธ์—์„œ ๊ฝค ์ค‘๊ฐ„๊ธ‰์— ์†ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์„ ๋จผ์ € ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:38
Vanessa: Oh, what's that mean?ย 
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29:38
Dan: We're not like the most cleanly people on earth.ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•„, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์Šจ ๋œป์ด์—์š”?
Dan: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ง€๊ตฌ์ƒ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๊นจ๋—ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:41
Vanessa: Oh. Yeah, we're not.ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•„. ์‘, ์šฐ๋ฆฐ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์•„.
29:42
Dan: Maybe a little more than average.ย 
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Dan: ์•„๋งˆ ํ‰๊ท ๋ณด๋‹ค ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ๋งŽ์„ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
29:43
Vanessa: Fastidious, is that the word?ย 
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Vanessa: ๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กญ๋‹ค, ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋ง์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
29:46
Dan: Yeah. For example,ย ย 
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29:46
we have cleanup time with the kids at night whereย  we just pick up stuff and try to put it away.ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด
๋ฐค์—๋Š” ์•„์ด๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ฒญ์†Œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ๋ฌผ๊ฑด์„ ์ง‘์–ด ์น˜์šฐ๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:51
Vanessa: I think that's pretty normal.ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๊ฝค ์ •์ƒ์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
29:52
Dan: Yes.ย 
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๋Œ„: ๋„ค.
29:53
Vanessa: Like tidy a little bit throughoutย ย 
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Vanessa:
29:55
the day and at the end of the day. Dan:ย 
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ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ข…์ผ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋ฃจ๊ฐ€ ๋๋‚  ๋•Œ ์ข€ ๊น”๋”ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ •๋ฆฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์š”. Dan:
29:56
But what I was going to say isย  it doesn't happen every day.ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์€ย  ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด ๋งค์ผ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:58
Vanessa: Oh, yeah.ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•„, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์š”.
29:59
Dan: Some days we don't do that.ย 
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Dan: ์–ด๋–ค ๋‚ ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”.
30:01
Vanessa: Yeah, that's fine.ย 
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30:01
Dan: And then it just ends up probably you walking by,ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘, ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„.
Dan: ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์•„๋งˆ ๋‹น์‹ ๋„ ์ง€๋‚˜๊ฐ€๋‹ค๊ฐ€
30:04
grabbing stuff again. Vanessa:ย 
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๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ฌผ๊ฑด์„ ์›€์ผœ์ฅ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
30:06
Yeah. That's one of the chores like tidying up.ย  But other chores are continual, like laundry andย ย 
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๋„ค. ์ •๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ง‘์•ˆ์ผ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ฃ . ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋นจ๋ž˜๋‚˜ ์„ค๊ฑฐ์ง€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ง‘์•ˆ์ผ์€ ๊ณ„์†๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
30:12
dishes and ... Dan:ย 
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. Dan:
30:13
Yeah, the big ones. Vanessa:ย 
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๋„ค, ํฐ ์ผ์ด์ฃ . Vanessa:
30:14
Oh, our car needs to be maintenanced. Or the kids'ย  tuition, school needs to be paid or whatever itย ย 
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์•„, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ฐจ๋Š” ์ •๋น„๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•ด์š”. ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์•„์ด๋“ค ๋“ฑ๋ก๊ธˆ, ํ•™๊ต ๋น„์šฉ ๋“ฑ์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
30:20
is. These types of things that just keep yourย  life running. How do we decide who will takeย ย 
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. ์ธ์ƒ์„ ๊ณ„์† ์ด์–ด๊ฐ€๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์ฃผ๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์œ ํ˜•์˜ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌํ• ์ง€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๋‚˜์š”
30:25
care of what? Dan:ย 
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? Dan:
30:26
Well, when you were pregnant, I basicallyย  said, "I am going to do every single chore."ย 
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ž„์‹ ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ '๋ชจ๋“  ํ—ˆ๋“œ๋ ›์ผ์„ ๋‹ค ํ• ๊ฒŒ์š”.'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
30:31
Vanessa: I had a big chore of growing a baby.ย 
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Vanessa: ๋‚˜๋Š” ์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ‚ค์šฐ๋Š” ํฐ ์ผ์„ ๋งก์•˜์–ด์š”.
30:35
Dan: So I did the dishes and the laundry.ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์„ค๊ฑฐ์ง€๋„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋นจ๋ž˜๋„ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
30:36
Those are the big ones to me. Vanessa:ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ํฐ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Vanessa:
30:38
And tidying up and putting theย  kids to bed, that's a big chore.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ •๋ฆฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ์žฌ์šฐ๋Š”๋ฐ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ํฐ ์ผ์ด๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
30:42
Dan: Well, I tied it up everything on the floorย ย 
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Dan: ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๋ฐ”๋‹ฅ์— ์žˆ๋Š”
30:43
because you can't get stuff on the floor. Vanessa:ย 
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๋ฌผ๊ฑด์€ ๋“ค์–ด์˜ฌ๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋ฐ”๋‹ฅ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฑด ๋‹ค ๋ฌถ์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
30:45
I know. My belly was so big, I couldn't- Dan:ย 
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์•Œ์•„์š”. ๋ฐฐ๊ฐ€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ปค์„œ ๋ชปํ–ˆ์–ด์š”- Dan:
30:47
But for a while I think you were stillย  doing cleaning off the tables and stuff.ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ํ•œ๋™์•ˆ์€ ๊ณ„์† ํ…Œ์ด๋ธ” ์น˜์šฐ๊ณ  ์ฒญ์†Œํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ณ„์…จ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
30:51
Vanessa: Yeah, minor things.ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘, ์‚ฌ์†Œํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค.
30:54
Dan: Lawn work. I used to do the lawn work. In Americaย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์ž”๋””๋ฐญ ์ผ์ด์—์š”. ์ €๋Š” ์ž”๋””๋ฐญ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณค ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ๋Š”
30:56
that's a big thing. You got to mow your lawn.ย  But now we pay somebody to do that because ...ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ํฐ ์ผ์ด์—์š”. ์ž”๋””๋ฅผ ๊นŽ์•„์•ผ ํ•ด์š”. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด์ œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์—๊ฒŒ ๋ˆ์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด...
31:01
Vanessa: It's a big task.ย 
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํฐ ์ž‘์—…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:03
Dan: I had that goodย ย 
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Dan:
31:04
old red-blooded American in me that said, "No,ย  I got to mow my own lawn." And you were like,ย ย 
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๋‚ด ์•ˆ์—๋Š” "์•„๋‹ˆ์š”, ์ž”๋””๋ฅผ ์ง์ ‘ ๊นŽ์•„์•ผ ํ•ด์š”."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ํ˜ˆ๊ธฐ์™•์„ฑํ•œ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ธ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€
31:07
"I'd rather you just spend some time with us." Vanessa:ย 
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'๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์™€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์ข€ ๋ณด๋‚ด์คฌ์œผ๋ฉด ์ข‹๊ฒ ์–ด'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”. Vanessa:
31:11
Yeah, especially because we have a pretty bigย  yard. So that task, especially for this timeย ย 
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๋„ค, ํŠนํžˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์ง‘์—๋Š” ๊ฝค ํฐ ๋งˆ๋‹น์ด ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—์š” . ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ทธ ์ž‘์—…, ํŠนํžˆ
31:16
in our life when we have small kids, it'sย  better to delegate that to someone else.ย 
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์–ด๋ฆฐ ์ž๋…€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ด ์‹œ๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ ์œ„์ž„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:21
I feel like a big thing that worked for us was ... Dan:ย 
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ํฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋œ ๊ฒƒ์€... Dan:
31:25
Excuse me, delegating. Vanessa:ย 
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์ฃ„์†กํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค๋งŒ, ์œ„์ž„์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Vanessa:
31:27
For delegating, yeah, was just really treating itย  like a business, which I think the home is kindย ย 
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์œ„์ž„ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑด ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์‚ฌ์—…์ฒด์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋Œ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์˜€์ฃ . ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ์ง‘๋„ ์ผ์ข…์˜
31:32
of like a business. Dan:ย 
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์‚ฌ์—…์ฒด ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. Dan:
31:33
That's how you saw it? Vanessa:ย 
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ณด์…จ๋‚˜์š”? Vanessa:
31:34
We had a meeting. I remember we went- Dan:ย 
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ํšŒ์˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ”๋˜ ๊ธฐ์–ต์ด ๋‚˜๋„ค์š”. Dan:
31:35
Okay, we did have a meeting. That's true. Vanessa:ย 
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๋„ค, ํšŒ์˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด๋‹ค. Vanessa:
31:37
We went out on a date to try to haveย  a little fun. We went out on a date,ย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ข€ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด๋ ค๊ณ  ๋ฐ์ดํŠธ๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š” . ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฐ์ดํŠธ๋„ ํ•˜๊ณ ,
31:41
went to a restaurant. Dan:ย 
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๋ ˆ์Šคํ† ๋ž‘์—๋„ ๊ฐ”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋Œ„:
31:42
A couple. Vanessa:ย 
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์ปคํ”Œ์ด์š”. Vanessa:
31:43
A couple drinks, nice food. We brought a notebookย  and we wrote down every chore, little things likeย ย 
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๋ช‡ ์ž” ๋งˆ์‹œ๊ณ , ์ข‹์€ ์Œ์‹. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ณต์ฑ…์„ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์™€์„œ ๋ชจ๋“  ํ—ˆ๋“œ๋ ›์ผ, ์ฐจ ์ˆ˜๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ž‘์€ ์ผ๋“ค์„ ์ ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
31:50
fixing the car or ... Dan:ย 
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. Dan:
31:52
That's not a little thing. Vanessa:ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ž‘์€ ์ผ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Vanessa:
31:53
Well, like maintenance on the car or checking theย  bank account, looking at our health insurance,ย ย 
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์Œ, ์ž๋™์ฐจ ์ •๋น„๋‚˜ ์€ํ–‰ ๊ณ„์ขŒ ํ™•์ธ, ๊ฑด๊ฐ• ๋ณดํ—˜ ์‚ดํŽด๋ณด๊ธฐ,
32:01
what these little things that come up, schedulingย  doctor's appointments for the kids or ourselves orย ย 
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์‚ฌ์†Œํ•œ ์ผ๋“ค, ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด๋‚˜ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ž์‹ ์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ์˜์‚ฌ ์•ฝ์† ์ผ์ • ์žก๊ธฐ
32:06
whatever. These types of things that kind of addย  up. We wrote every single one down and based onย ย 
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๋“ฑ์ด์š”. ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ํ•ฉ์‚ฐ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ธฐ๋กํ•˜๊ณ 
32:16
other things. So am I pregnant? Am I not? That'sย  also a big responsibility. How much am I working?ย ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌํ•ญ์„ ๋ฐ”ํƒ•์œผ๋กœ ์ž‘์„ฑํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ž„์‹ ํ•œ ๊ฑธ๊นŒ? ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋„ ํฐ ์ฑ…์ž„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
32:23
How much is Dan working? And not just hours,ย  but that mental load of you're working on aย ย 
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Dan์€ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”? ๋ช‡ ์‹œ๊ฐ„๋งŒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ๋Œ€๊ทœ๋ชจ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋”ฐ๋ฅธ ์ •์‹ ์  ๋ถ€๋‹ด๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
32:28
big project or whatnot, those types of things.ย  Who did what chores? So we just wrote down ...ย 
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. ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ค ์ง‘์•ˆ์ผ์„ ํ–ˆ๋‚˜์š”? ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์ ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค...
32:35
Dan: Putting the kids to bed.ย 
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Dan: ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ์žฌ์šฐ๋ ค๊ณ ์š”.
32:36
Vanessa: Putting the kids to bed.ย 
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32:36
Dan: That's a big chore.ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ์žฌ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
๋Œ„: ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ํฐ ์ผ์ด๊ตฐ์š”.
32:37
Vanessa: That's a big chore.ย 
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32:37
Dan: Man.ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ ์ •๋ง ํž˜๋“  ์ผ์ด๊ตฐ์š”.
๋Œ„: ์•„์ €์”จ.
32:39
Vanessa: We just put D or V based on who did what.ย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ D๋‚˜ V๋ฅผ ๋„ฃ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:42
So this kind of strict delegation. But there was aย  little asterisk I think we put on this that said,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์—„๊ฒฉํ•œ ์œ„์ž„์ด ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ์ž‘์€ ๋ณ„ํ‘œ๋ฅผ ๋ถ™์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:51
and I think this is an important part of a healthyย  relationship, if I can say this, is that whenย ย 
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฑด๊ฐ•ํ•œ ๊ด€๊ณ„์˜ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
32:57
one of us was not capable of doing one of thoseย  chores, for example, the dishes, if the kids wereย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ค‘ ํ•œ ๋ช…์ด ๊ทธ ์ง‘์•ˆ์ผ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋ฅผ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์„ ๋•Œ , ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์„ค๊ฑฐ์ง€, ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด
33:06
having such a hard time going to bed and you wereย  really overwhelmed by that, I would do the dishes.ย ย 
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์ž ์ž๋ฆฌ์— ๋“ค๊ธฐ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ํž˜๋“ค์–ดํ•˜๊ณ  ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ •๋ง ์••๋„๋‹นํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์„ค๊ฑฐ์ง€๋ฅผ ํ•ด์ค„ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
33:12
So there's a little asterisk of we helpย  each other out. We're not going to say,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์„œ๋กœ ๋•๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ์ž‘์€ ๋ณ„ํ‘œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
33:17
"Nope, it's not my chore. I will never do it."ย  But we were willing to help each other out.ย 
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"์•„๋‹ˆ, ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋‚ด ์ผ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ์•ผ. ๋‚œ ์ ˆ๋Œ€ ์•ˆ ํ•  ๊ฑฐ์•ผ"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ธฐ๊บผ์ด ์„œ๋กœ๋ฅผ ๋„์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
33:21
But in general, you wrote down, Dan doesย  this, you do it, it's your chore. And yeah,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ Dan์€ ์ด ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ , ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ , ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ผ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋„ค, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ์ผํ•˜๊ธฐ
33:29
kind of just figuring out what works well becauseย  we both work. We both take care of the kids. Ifย ย 
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๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋ฌด์—‡์ด ์ž˜ ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ์•„๋‚ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š” . ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ๋Œ๋ณธ๋‹ค.
33:35
one of us did not work, totally differentย  situation then because that person's jobย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ค‘ ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์ผํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค๋ฉด ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ์ง์—…์€
33:40
is the home. Dan:ย 
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์ง‘์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋Œ„:
33:41
Is the household. Vanessa:ย 
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๊ฐ€๊ตฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
33:42
It is the children. And you take that seriously. Dan:ย 
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์•„์ด๋“ค์ด์—์š”. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ง„์ง€ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Dan:ย  ํ˜ผ์ž์„œ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ผ์„ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด
33:45
It's kind of harder than a regular jobย  really, if you do it all by yourself.ย 
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์ผ๋ฐ˜ ์ง์žฅ๋ณด๋‹ค ์ข€ ๋” ์–ด๋ ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
33:48
Vanessa: I think every stay-ย 
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Vanessa: ์ˆ™๋ฐ•ํ•  ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค-
33:49
Dan: It gets crazy.ย 
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33:49
Vanessa: Every stay at home parent would absolutelyย ย 
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Dan: ์ •๋ง ๋ฏธ์น  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
Vanessa: ์ง‘์— ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์€ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ
33:51
say that, "Going to work is a break." Dan:ย 
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'์ผํ•˜๋Ÿฌ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ํœด์‹์ด๋‹ค'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹ค ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”. Dan:
33:53
It depends on your job, but still. Vanessa:ย 
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์ง์—…์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋‹ค๋ฅด์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋ž˜๋„์š”. Vanessa:
33:56
Generally, for me, taking careย  of the children is harder.ย 
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์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ €์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ๋Œ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋” ์–ด๋ ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:01
Dan: By yourself especially.ย 
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๋Œ„: ํŠนํžˆ ํ˜ผ์ž์„œ์š”.
34:02
Vanessa: Especially by yourself is theย ย 
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Vanessa: ํŠนํžˆ ํ˜ผ์ž์„œ๋Š”
34:04
most difficult. And then going to work is like aย  break. It's like, oh, it's quiet. I can focus. Iย ย 
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ์–ด๋ ค์šด ์ผ์ด์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ถœ๊ทผ์€ ๋งˆ์น˜ ํœด์‹๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งˆ์น˜, ์•„, ์กฐ์šฉํ•ด์š”. ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉํ•ด๋ฐ›์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ 
34:11
accomplish a task from the beginning to the endย  without being interrupted. That feeling is muchย ย 
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์ฒ˜์Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋๊นŒ์ง€ ์ผ์„ ์™„์ˆ˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ ๋Š๋‚Œ์€ ๋งŽ์ด
34:17
different. It's much- Dan:ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค์˜ˆ์š”- Dan:ย  ์•„์ด๊ฐ€ ๋ผ์–ด๋“ค์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ 
34:18
You can go to the bathroomย  without a child barging in on you.ย 
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ํ™”์žฅ์‹ค์— ๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์š” .
34:21
Vanessa: Wow. So yeah,ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์™€. ๋„ค,
34:24
I think that's generally how we handle it. And weย  change it over time because we have two kids andย ย 
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์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์€ ์ด๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๋‘ ๋ช…์˜ ์ž๋…€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ณ 
34:31
Dan's working from home with me. Dan worked fromย  home with me. Actually, that's our bonus question.ย 
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Dan์ด ๋‚˜์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ง‘์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ง€๋‚จ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋ณ€๊ฒฝ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Dan์€ ๋‚˜์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ง‘์—์„œ ์ผํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ์‹ค, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๋ณด๋„ˆ์Šค ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:36
Dan worked at this business, Speak English Withย  Vanessa for several years. So that was a veryย ย 
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Dan์€ Speak English With Vanessa๋ผ๋Š” ํšŒ์‚ฌ์—์„œ ์ˆ˜๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ๊ทผ๋ฌดํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ
34:41
different situation. We had similar type ofย  jobs somewhat. We were both home, so, yeah,ย ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์ง์—…์ด ์–ด๋Š ์ •๋„ ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ์ง‘์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—, ์˜ˆ,
34:48
we had to organize and delegateย  our chores in a different way.ย 
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์ง‘์•ˆ์ผ์„ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์ •๋ฆฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์œ„์ž„ํ•ด์•ผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
34:52
So basically whatever works for you.ย  But I highly recommend having a meeting,ย ย 
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๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋“ ์ง€ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ํšจ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํšŒ์˜๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ํ•ด์•ผ ํ• 
34:58
writing down all the things that need to beย  done, and then determining who does what. Butย ย 
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์ผ์„ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ธฐ๋กํ•œ ๋‹ค์Œ ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ• ์ง€ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
35:05
working on it together. It can be a big pointย  of contention, I think for a lot of couples.ย 
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ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งŽ์€ ์ปคํ”Œ์—๊ฒŒ ํฐ ๋…ผ์Ÿ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:09
Dan: Yeah. I do think it's a lot more cut andย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์ปทํŠธํ•˜๊ณ 
35:11
dry for a lot of people. Especially if one personย  does the work and makes the money for the house,ย ย 
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๋“œ๋ผ์ดํ•œ ์Šคํƒ€์ผ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํŠนํžˆ ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ง‘์— ๋ˆ์„ ๋ฒ„๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ,
35:16
it seems like a lot easier to be the other personย  takes care of almost everything at the house.ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์ง‘์•ˆ์˜ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ผ์„ ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ›จ์”ฌ ์‰ฌ์šด ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:22
Vanessa: Yeah. I think that-ย 
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35:22
Dan: That just kind of makes sense.ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”-
Dan: ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ ์ข€ ์ดํ•ด๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š”๊ตฐ์š”.
35:24
Vanessa: It's also important to determineย ย 
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Vanessa:
35:26
what happens when that person comes home. Dan:ย 
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์ง‘์— ๋Œ์•„์˜ค๋ฉด ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋Š”์ง€ ํŒ๋‹จํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ด์š”. ๋Œ„:
35:28
Yeah, that's true. Vanessa:ย 
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๋„ค, ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด์—์š”. Vanessa:
35:29
Because the person ... Dan:ย 
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด... Dan:
35:30
That can get contentious. Vanessa:ย 
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๋…ผ์Ÿ์˜ ์—ฌ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
35:32
Yeah. I think that's why it's important to talkย  about it and write down the stuff. What do you doย ย 
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๋„ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ์ ์–ด ๋‘๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
35:36
on the weekends, because everyone needs a break. Dan:ย 
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๋ชจ๋‘์—๊ฒŒ ํœด์‹์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ฃผ๋ง์—๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”? ๋Œ„:
35:37
Just know the expectations. You don't want toย  assume. You don't want to be the guy who justย ย 
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๊ธฐ๋Œ€์น˜๋ฅผ ์•Œ์•„๋‘์„ธ์š”. ๊ฐ€์ •ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‹จ์ง€
35:42
kicks his feet up and puts him up on the chair. Vanessa:ย 
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๋ฐœ์„ ์ฐจ์„œ ์˜์ž์— ์˜ฌ๋ ค๋†“๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
35:44
Oh yeah. Dan:ย 
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์•„, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ . ๋Œ„:
35:45
While the wife is making the dinner. Vanessa:ย 
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์•„๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ €๋…์„ ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
35:47
Yeah. I think making sure that everyone. Dan:ย 
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๋„ค. ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Dan:
35:49
Sometimes it's fun, but. Vanessa:ย 
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๊ฐ€๋”์€ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ. Vanessa:
35:51
And not fun for the person making. Actually,ย  you know what? In our house making dinner isย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์žฌ๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์—†์ง€์š”. ์‚ฌ์‹ค, ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ ์•Œ์•„์š”? ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ง‘์—์„œ ์ €๋…์„ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
35:54
a break. Dan:ย 
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ํœด์‹์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Dan:
35:55
We like making dinner. Vanessa:ย 
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์ €ํฌ๋Š” ์ €๋… ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ด์š”. Vanessa:
35:56
I like making dinner because if I've been with theย  kids all day, making dinner is like, I can focusย ย 
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์ €๋Š” ์ €๋… ์‹์‚ฌ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ข…์ผ ์•„์ด๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ €๋… ์‹์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด
36:03
on this task. And sometimes we make dinner withย  the kids. But in general, I think that you justย ย 
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์ด ์ผ์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ์•„์ด๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ €๋…์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ
36:10
decide what's best for your family. But it's bestย  to decide together and kind of work through thatย ย 
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๊ฐ€์กฑ์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์€ ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€๋Š” ๋ณธ์ธ์ด ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ํญ๋ฐœํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์— ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ด๋ฅผ ํ•ด๊ฒฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
36:14
before somebody explodes generally is a good idea. All right. Thank you for those wonderfulย ย 
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. ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์€. ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
36:20
questions. We have a bonus question.ย  Would you like to answer a bonus question?ย 
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. ๋ณด๋„ˆ์Šค ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ณด๋„ˆ์Šค ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋‹ต๋ณ€ํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
36:23
Dan: I thought we already did the bonus question.ย 
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Dan: ๋ณด๋„ˆ์Šค ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ์ด๋ฏธ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ.
36:24
Vanessa: We did not do the bonus question,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ณด๋„ˆ์Šค ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์ง€๋งŒ
36:26
but I hinted at the bonus question. Dan:ย 
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๋ณด๋„ˆ์Šค ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ํžŒํŠธ๋ฅผ ์คฌ์–ด์š”. ๋Œ„:
36:28
Okay. Vanessa:ย 
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36:28
The bonus question is: How is Dan feeling goingย  back to work after helping you to teach us Englishย ย 
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์•Œ์•˜์–ด. Vanessa:
๋ณด๋„ˆ์Šค ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ๋‹ค์Œ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Dan์€ ์˜ค๋žซ๋™์•ˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ๋„์™€์ค€ ํ›„ ์ง์žฅ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์–ด๋–ค๊ฐ€์š”
36:36
for a long time? Dan:ย 
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? ๋Œ„:
36:38
Wow. I didn't know they knew about that. Vanessa:ย 
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์™€์šฐ. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ชฐ๋ž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
36:40
Yes. Yeah. Well, some of my students in my course,ย  the Fearless Fluency Club, they have been a partย ย 
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๋„ค. ์‘. ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์ œ ๊ฐ•์ขŒ์ธ Fearless Fluency Club์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์€
36:47
of our lives for a long time. They're privy to allย  that information. So just as a little background,ย ย 
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์˜ค๋žซ๋™์•ˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์‚ถ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ •๋ณด์— ์ ‘๊ทผํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ๋ฐฐ๊ฒฝ ์ง€์‹์œผ๋กœ
36:52
Dan taught and worked with me at Speakย  English With Vanessa, making videos.ย 
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Dan์€ Speak English With Vanessa์—์„œ ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๊ณ  ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์ œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
36:58
Dan: Behind the scenes.ย 
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๋Œ„: ๋ฌด๋Œ€ ๋’ค์—์„œ์š”.
36:59
Vanessa: Behind the scenes, helping with-ย 
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36:59
Dan: Writing stories.ย 
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Vanessa: ๋’ค์—์„œ ๋•๋Š” ์ผ-
Dan: ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ ์“ฐ๊ธฐ.
37:00
Vanessa: Courses, all of that. And then, yeah, tell us whatย ย 
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Vanessa: ์ฝ”์Šค, ๊ทธ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋„ค, ๋ฌด์Šจ
37:04
happened. September last year, what did you do? Dan:ย 
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์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฌ๋Š”์ง€ ๋งํ•ด์ฃผ์„ธ์š”. ์ž‘๋…„ 9์›”, ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ–ˆ๋‚˜์š”? ๋Œ„:
37:07
Yeah. So now I teach at my son's school. Iย  was an assistant teacher last year and thisย ย 
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๋„ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์•„๋“ค ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ์ €๋Š” ์ž‘๋…„์— ๋ณด์กฐ ๊ต์‚ฌ์˜€์œผ๋ฉฐ
37:12
year I'm going to be a co-science teacher.ย  It's an alternative school, so it's not likeย ย 
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์˜ฌํ•ด์—๋Š” ๊ณต๋™ ๊ณผํ•™ ๊ต์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ๋  ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋Œ€์•ˆํ•™๊ต๋ผ
37:20
a regular classroom setting. It's a littleย  bit more integrating outdoors. So the kidsย ย 
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์ผ๋ฐ˜ ๊ต์‹ค ํ™˜๊ฒฝ๊ณผ ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ผ์™ธ์—์„œ๋Š” ์ข€ ๋” ํ†ตํ•ฉ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•„์ด๋“ค์€
37:25
are actually outside for half the day. And soย  that's a big goal or mission of the school.ย 
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋ฐ˜๋‚˜์ ˆ ๋™์•ˆ ๋ฐ–์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ํ•™๊ต์˜ ํฐ ๋ชฉํ‘œ์ด์ž ์‚ฌ๋ช…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
37:31
So that's what I've been doing and I like it aย  lot. I like being able to go out and do my ownย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•ด์™”๋˜ ์ผ์ด๊ณ  ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„ํ•ด์š” . ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ฐ–์— ๋‚˜๊ฐ€์„œ ๋‚ด ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
37:39
thing. It's not so much working with you, butย  working with a partner all day long and livingย ย 
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. ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์ด ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ ๋งŽ์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ข…์ผ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ 
37:48
with them and then having kids and everybody'sย  in the house, I think that got a little bit old.ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์‚ด๊ณ  ์ง‘์— ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ํ‚ค์šฐ๊ณ  ๋ชจ๋‘๋ฅผ ํ‚ค์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ์˜ค๋ž˜๋œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
37:54
Vanessa: Yeah. I think it's healthy for us to be partย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆํ‹ฐ์˜ ์ผ์›์ด ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฑด์ „ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
37:58
of the community because especially when- Dan:ย 
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ํŠนํžˆ ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ๋•Œ ๋ง์ด์ฃ . Dan:
38:00
Especially when technically you were my boss. Vanessa:ย 
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์—„๋ฐ€ํžˆ ๋งํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ œ ์ƒ์‚ฌ์˜€์„ ๋•Œ๋Š” ๋”์šฑ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ . Vanessa:
38:03
Yeah, I think deciding what works- Dan:ย 
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๋„ค, ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ด ํšจ๊ณผ์ ์ธ์ง€ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.- Dan:
38:06
That can't last that long. Vanessa:ย 
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์˜ค๋ž˜ ์ง€์†๋  ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†์–ด์š”. Vanessa:
38:07
Best for your relationship. But I think evenย  for our family, you working outside the home,ย ย 
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๊ด€๊ณ„์— ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ๋ผ๋„ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ง‘ ๋ฐ–์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ ,
38:13
you working at Theo's school especially, like you- Dan:ย 
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ํŠนํžˆ ํ…Œ์˜ค์˜ ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๋‹น์‹ ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ- Dan:
38:17
That's been good. Vanessa:ย 
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์ž˜๋์–ด์š”. Vanessa:ย  ์ •๋ง
38:19
That's been great. You've been able to, atย  least I feel good that Theo is with you duringย ย 
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์ข‹์•˜์–ด์š”. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ ์–ด๋„ ๋‚ฎ ๋™์•ˆ Theo๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์žˆ์–ด์„œ ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
38:25
the day. You're not his teacher at school,ย  but you're at the school kind of with him.ย 
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. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ๊ทธ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ๋Š” ๊ทธ์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ์กด์žฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
38:28
Dan: Not yet.ย 
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๋Œ„: ์•„์ง์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์—์š”.
38:29
Vanessa: Someday maybe you'll be his teacher, butย ย 
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Vanessa: ์–ธ์  ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜์ด ๋ ์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฅด์ง€๋งŒ,
38:33
kind of connecting us to the community more. Youย  have coworkers. If anybody has either worked fromย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆํ‹ฐ์— ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ์‹œ์ผœ ์ฃผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๋™๋ฃŒ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง‘์—์„œ ์ผํ–ˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
38:39
home or moved to a new country and then workedย  remotely or just this kind of isolation that'sย ย 
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์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ตญ๊ฐ€๋กœ ์ด์ฃผํ•œ ํ›„ ์›๊ฒฉ์œผ๋กœ ์ผํ•œ ์ ์ด ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
38:48
prevalent when you work from home. It's reallyย  nice to be connected to the community in some way.ย ย 
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์ง‘์—์„œ ์ผํ•  ๋•Œ ๋„๋ฆฌ ํผ์ ธ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ๊ณ ๋ฆฝ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ. ์–ด๋–ค ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ๋“  ์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆํ‹ฐ์— ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
38:54
And work is a kind of easy way to do that. Dan:ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ผ์€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์‰ฌ์šด ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋Œ„:
38:56
Yeah. And I think also being perfectly honest,ย  there are some patterns that people just canย ย 
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๋„ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์™„์ „ํžˆ ์†”์งํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๋ฉด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
39:03
develop as work partners or even just home life.ย  And we had kind of developed something that wasย ย 
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์ง์žฅ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๋กœ์„œ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฐ€์ • ์ƒํ™œ๋กœ์„œ ๋ฐœ์ „ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ํŒจํ„ด์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
39:10
not good, that wasn't fun for us. Vanessa:ย 
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์ข‹์ง€๋„ ์•Š๊ณ  ์žฌ๋ฏธ๋„ ์—†๋Š” ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Vanessa:
39:13
It wasn't working- Dan:ย 
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์ž‘๋™ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Dan:
39:15
It wasn't as healthy as it could be. Vanessa:ย 
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๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ๊ฑด๊ฐ•ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
39:17
Yeah. Dan:ย 
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39:17
And so we were like, "We needย  to change something, for sure."ย 
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๋„ค. ๋Œ„:
๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” " ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๊ฟ”์•ผ ํ•ด"๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
39:20
Vanessa: And I think that was good of us to beย ย 
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
39:22
able to decide something needs to change. Dan:ย 
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๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ๋ณ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์ข‹์€ ์ผ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”. Dan:
39:24
We weren't at each other's throats or anything. Vanessa:ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์„œ๋กœ์˜ ๋ชฉ์„ ์กฐ๋ฅด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฑด ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”. Vanessa:
39:27
No. Yeah, I think that that's important toย  realize in our relationship. So Dan worksย ย 
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์•„๋‹ˆ์š”. ๋„ค, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ด€๊ณ„์—์„œ ๊นจ๋‹ซ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ Dan์€
39:33
at a school now and question was howย  do you feel? You said it's going well.ย 
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ํ˜„์žฌ ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์–ด๋–ค์ง€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž˜ ๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•˜์…จ์–ด์š”.
39:38
Dan: Yeah, it feels great. Yeah, Iย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘, ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์ข‹์•„. ๋„ค
39:40
like it. I think this works really well. I kind ofย  get to go out and forge my own path in some ways.ย ย 
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์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •๋ง ์ž˜ ์ž‘๋™ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ฐ–์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜๊ฐ€์„œ ์–ด๋–ค ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ๋“  ๋‚˜๋งŒ์˜ ๊ธธ์„ ๊ฐœ์ฒ™ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
39:46
I don't feel like I'm kind of tinkering aroundย  the edges of this business, which is a greatย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด ์‚ฌ์—…์˜ ๊ฐ€์žฅ์ž๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ์ง€์ž‘๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ
39:52
business. And it's like, yeah, it's amazing andย  you guys are awesome. Vanessa's amazing, amazing,ย ย 
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์‚ฌ์—…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ์ •๋ง ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•˜๊ณ  ๋„ˆํฌ๋“ค์€ ์ •๋ง ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•ด. Vanessa๋Š” ์ •๋ง ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•ด์š”, ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•ด์š”,
39:59
amazing. But yeah, it's just going off andย  doing my own thing for at least part of the day,ย ย 
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๋Œ€๋‹จํ•ด์š”. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์˜ˆ, ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ค‘ ์ ์–ด๋„ ์ผ๋ถ€ ๋™์•ˆ์€ ๋‚ด ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ ,
40:05
I think has done a lot for me personally. Vanessa:ย 
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๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งŽ์€ ์ผ์„ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Vanessa:
40:08
Yeah, I think it's done a lot for our family too. Dan:ย 
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๋„ค, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์—๊ฒŒ๋„ ๋งŽ์€ ๋„์›€์ด ๋œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. Dan:
40:10
And for our family, yeah. Vanessa:ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ๋„ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Vanessa:
40:11
Because I think when somebody in your house isn'tย  feeling well, I wouldn't say you weren't feelingย ย 
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์ง‘์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ๋ชธ์ด ์•ˆ ์ข‹๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ชธ์ด ์•ˆ ์ข‹์•˜๋‹ค๊ณ ๋Š” ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์ง€๋งŒ ์ƒํƒœ๊ฐ€
40:17
well, but you weren't at your best. Dan:ย 
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์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค๊ณ ๋Š” ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Dan:
40:20
At times I wasn't so happy. Vanessa:ย 
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๊ฐ€๋”์€ ๋ณ„๋กœ ํ–‰๋ณตํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์–ด์š”. Vanessa:
40:21
Yeah, that really affects the whole familyย  unit. So I'm glad that you are feeling better.ย 
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๋„ค, ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๊ฐ€์กฑ ์ „์ฒด์— ์ •๋ง ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น˜์ฃ  . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์ข‹์•„์ง€์…จ๋‹ค๋‹ˆ ๋‹คํ–‰์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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Dan: Yeah. And we just saw each other inย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„ ์ด์›ƒ์—์„œ ์„œ๋กœ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
40:28
neighbors mostly. So that was kind of like. Vanessa:ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
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Yeah. It's nice to have other people in our lives. Dan:ย 
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๋„ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์‚ถ์— ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ข‹์€ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Dan:
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We have friends, but it just felt different, evenย  though all of you are our friends, but we don'tย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒ ์นœ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋Š๋‚Œ์ด ๋‹ฌ๋ž์–ด์š”. ๋น„๋ก ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ์นœ๊ตฌ์˜€์ง€๋งŒ
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get to see you every day. Vanessa:ย 
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You know what we mean. Yeah. Well, thank you so much forย ย 
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๋งค์ผ ๋งŒ๋‚˜์ง€๋Š” ๋ชปํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. Vanessa:
๋ฌด์Šจ ๋ง์ธ์ง€ ์•„์‹œ๊ฒ ์ฃ . ์‘. ์ €์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜
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being willing to answer these questionsย  with me. Some of these are quite personal.ย 
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์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๊ธฐ๊บผ์ด ๋‹ต๋ณ€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ด๋“ค ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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Dan: That got personal.ย 
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๋Œ„: ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ด๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
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Vanessa: Yeah. Well, thank you so much for being willing toย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๊ธฐ๊บผ์ด
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immerse yourself in English, and I hope that this- Dan:ย 
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์˜์–ด์— ๋ชฐ์ž…ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด- Dan:
40:51
And our lives. Vanessa:ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์‚ถ์ด๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Vanessa:
40:52
Yes, our lives too. I hope that if you areย  a parent that this was interesting to you.ย ย 
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๋„ค, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์‚ถ๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€์˜ˆ์š”. ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์ด์‹œ๋ผ๋ฉด ์ด ๋‚ด์šฉ์ด ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์› ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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I hope we're not too judgmental about otherย  ways of doing things. This is just from ourย ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ž‘์—… ๋ฐฉ์‹์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ํŒ๋‹จํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹จ์ง€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜
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personal perspective. Dan:ย 
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41:04
And we're all just trying to figure it out. Vanessa:ย 
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๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ๋‚˜์˜จ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Dan:
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ์•„๋‚ด๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
41:06
I know. Dan:ย 
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41:06
That's the ultimate conclusion of parenting. Vanessa:ย 
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์•Œ์•„์š”. Dan:
๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์œก์•„์˜ ๊ถ๊ทน์ ์ธ ๊ฒฐ๋ก ์ด์—์š”. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
41:09
Yes. Yes. As long as you love and respectย  your children and your partner, you'reย ย 
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๋„ค. ์˜ˆ. ์ž๋…€์™€ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•˜๊ณ  ์กด์ค‘ํ•˜๋Š” ํ•œ
41:15
probably going to be doing something right. Well, don't forget to download the free PDFย ย 
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅธ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
41:20
worksheet for today's lesson with all ofย  today's vocabulary, expressions, ideas,ย ย 
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์˜ค๋Š˜์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ์–ดํœ˜, ํ‘œํ˜„, ์•„์ด๋””์–ด,
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sample sentences. Don't forget what you learned inย  today's conversation. You can click the link belowย ย 
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์ƒ˜ํ”Œ ๋ฌธ์žฅ์ด ํฌํ•จ๋œ ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์ˆ˜์—…์šฉ ๋ฌด๋ฃŒ PDF ์›Œํฌ์‹œํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋‹ค์šด๋กœ๋“œํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์žŠ์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”. ์˜ค๋Š˜ ๋Œ€ํ™”์—์„œ ๋ฐฐ์šด ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ์žŠ์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š” .
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this lesson to download that free PDF today. And if you are a parent, let us know in theย ย 
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์ง€๊ธˆ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์ด ๊ฐ•์˜ ์•„๋ž˜ ๋งํฌ๋ฅผ ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌด๋ฃŒ PDF๋ฅผ ๋‹ค์šด๋กœ๋“œํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋ผ๋ฉด
41:36
comments what you think about tech and parenting.ย  How do you handle screens with your kids? Howย ย 
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๊ธฐ์ˆ ๊ณผ ์œก์•„์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ๋Œ“๊ธ€๋กœ ์•Œ๋ ค์ฃผ์„ธ์š”. ์•„์ด๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํ™”๋ฉด์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค๋ฃจ์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
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old are your kids? What do you do? I am alwaysย  interested in how other people are just goingย ย 
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๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ์ž๋…€๋Š” ๋ช‡ ์‚ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๋„ˆ ๋ญํ•˜๋‹ˆ? ๋‚˜๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋ถ€๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š”์ง€์— ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
41:47
about being a parent. How is it working for you?ย  Let us know. I would love to read your comments.ย 
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. ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”? ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์•Œ๋ ค์ฃผ์„ธ์š”. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ์ฝ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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And thank you so much for learning English withย  us today. I'll see you again next Friday for a newย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์›Œ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋‹ค์Œ ์ฃผ ๊ธˆ์š”์ผ์—
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lesson here on my YouTube channel. Bye. Dan:ย 
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์ œ YouTube ์ฑ„๋„์—์„œ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ฐ•์˜๋กœ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ต™๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ˆ๋…•. ๋Œ„:
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Bye. Vanessa:ย 
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์•ˆ๋…•. ๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ:
42:01
But wait. Do you want more? I recommend watchingย  this video next, which is another conversationย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ž ๊น๋งŒ์š”. ๋” ์›ํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”? ๋‹ค์Œ์œผ๋กœ ์ด ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ๋™์˜์ƒ์€
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I had with my husband, Dan, about pregnancyย  and deciding to have a third child. How didย ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋‚จํŽธ Dan๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ž„์‹  ๊ณผ ์…‹์งธ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ๋‚˜๋ˆ„์—ˆ๋˜ ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋Œ€ํ™”์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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we decide to have a third child? Well, watchย  that video to find out and I'll see you there.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์…‹์งธ ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ–ˆ๋‚˜์š”? ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๊ทธ ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์•Œ์•„๋ณด์‹œ๋ฉด ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์„œ ๋ต™๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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