Comparing life during lockdown in China & England

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋œ ์ž๋ง‰์€ ๊ธฐ๊ณ„ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

00:00
Hello, this is Gill at engVid, and today we have another remotely recorded interview for you
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์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”, ์ €๋Š” engVid์˜ Gill์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋Š˜์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ช‡ ๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์ง€๋‚ธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ธ Michelle๊ณผ์˜ ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์›๊ฒฉ ๋…น์Œ ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐ๋ฅผ ์ค€๋น„ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
00:09
with someone I've known for a few years, Michelle. So Michelle, thank you for being with us
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. Michelle,
00:17
in this sort of cyberspace. I know we're many miles apart at the moment,
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์‚ฌ์ด๋ฒ„ ๊ณต๊ฐ„์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํ•ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ฉ€๋ฆฌ ๋–จ์–ด์ ธ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ 
00:23
but we have also met in person many times in the UK. So here we are, because, again, in the UK,
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์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์˜๊ตญ์—์„œ๋„ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋ฒˆ ์ง์ ‘ ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์˜๊ตญ์—์„œ๋Š”
00:34
I'm still in partial lockdown here, so that's why we're doing this recording this way, using Zoom.
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์•„์ง ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ด‰์‡„๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— Zoom์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ๋…นํ™”๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:43
So my guest then, Michelle, thank you for being here, and would you like to tell us a little bit
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์ œ ์†๋‹˜์ธ ๋ฏธ์…ธ, ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์™€์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
00:53
about yourself, Michelle, and where you're from, your profession, your interests, where you are at
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๋ฏธ์…ธ, ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ถœ์‹ ์ง€, ์ง์—…, ๊ด€์‹ฌ์‚ฌ, ํ˜„์žฌ ์–ด๋””์— ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ
00:59
the moment? Sure. Hi, everyone. Hi, Gill. I'm Michelle. I'm from China, and currently I'm
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? ํ™•์‹ ํ•˜๋Š”. ์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„. ์•ˆ๋…•, ๊ธธ. ์ €๋Š” ๋ฏธ์…ธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ์ค‘๊ตญ์—์„œ ์™”๊ณ  ํ˜„์žฌ
01:09
living in Jiangsu province. Well, it's close to Shanghai, if you've never heard of this province.
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์žฅ์‘ค์„ฑ์— ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ, ์ด ์ง€๋ฐฉ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋“ค์–ด ๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์—†๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ƒํ•˜์ด์™€ ๊ฐ€๊น์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:16
I used to work in banking for a few years, but now I'm studying traditional Chinese medicine
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์ €๋Š” ๋ช‡ ๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์€ํ–‰์—์„œ ์ผํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ํ’€ํƒ€์ž„์œผ๋กœ ํ•œ์˜ํ•™์„ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
01:22
full-time. I'm into cultural stuff, traditional stuff. Okay. Okay. Well, that's really interesting.
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. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ฌธํ™”์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ, ์ „ํ†ต์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ข‹์•„์š”. ์ข‹์•„์š”. ์ •๋ง ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ๊ตฐ์š”.
01:35
Thank you. So you've been in the UK. You have a base in the UK, but I think because when the pandemic
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๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์˜๊ตญ์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์˜๊ตญ์— ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜์„ ๋‘๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ํŒฌ๋ฐ๋ฏน์ด
01:52
started, you happened to be in China visiting your family. So maybe you wouldn't normally be there,
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์‹œ์ž‘๋˜์—ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์šฐ์—ฐํžˆ ์ค‘๊ตญ์— ๊ฐ€์กฑ์„ ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ์ž ๊ธˆ ๋“ฑ์œผ๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
02:04
because partly because of lockdown and so on. Yes, it's really interesting. You know,
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. ์˜ˆ, ์ •๋ง ํฅ๋ฏธ ๋กญ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ,
02:09
your life plans can be interrupted really suddenly, and yeah, it's a little bit of a shame
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ธ์ƒ ๊ณ„ํš์€ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ‘์ž๊ธฐ ์ค‘๋‹จ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ  , ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ์˜ฌํ•ด
02:17
that I wouldn't be able to travel freely as I want to this year, but thankfully now we have
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๋Œ€๋กœ ์ž์œ ๋กญ๊ฒŒ ์—ฌํ–‰ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์กฐ๊ธˆ ์•„์‰ฝ์ง€๋งŒ , ๋‹คํ–‰ํžˆ ์ง€๊ธˆ์€
02:25
internet, so we can still stay connected. And also now I'm able to study remotely with the
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์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท์ด ์žˆ์–ด์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋Œ€๊ธฐ ์ค‘. ๋˜ํ•œ ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ํ•œ์˜ํ•™์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ๊ธฐ๊ด€์—์„œ ์›๊ฒฉ์œผ๋กœ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
02:35
institution teaching me Chinese medicine. So I'm actually making quite steady progress,
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. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ฝค ๊พธ์ค€ํžˆ ๋ฐœ์ „ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ
02:43
because you get less distraction from the outside physical world when you can't really move much.
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๋งŽ์ด ์›€์ง์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์„ ๋•Œ ์™ธ๋ถ€์˜ ๋ฌผ๋ฆฌ์  ์„ธ๊ณ„๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์ฃผ์˜๊ฐ€ ๋œ ์‚ฐ๋งŒํ•ด์ง€๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:49
So it turns out to be quite productive and fruitful for my study.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ œ ์—ฐ๊ตฌ์— ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ์ƒ์‚ฐ์ ์ด๊ณ  ์œ ์ตํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐํ˜€์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:57
Okay, that's great. So you've been staying at home for quite a few months, I imagine.
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์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ฝค ๋ช‡ ๋‹ฌ ๋™์•ˆ ์ง‘์— ๋จธ๋ฌผ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:06
Yeah, I'm studying remotely. That really takes up most of my time.
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๋„ค, ์›๊ฒฉ์œผ๋กœ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ๋‚ด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์˜ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ์ฐจ์ง€ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:12
Okay. And so I think in China, the lockdown was very sort of strict, wasn't it, when it started?
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์ข‹์•„์š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ์ค‘๊ตญ์—์„œ๋Š” ๋ด‰์‡„๊ฐ€ ๋งค์šฐ ์—„๊ฒฉํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ์˜€์ฃ ?
03:23
It was.
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03:23
So what was it like in practical terms, you know, getting food and just managing day-to-day?
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๊ทธ๋žฌ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ์–ด๋• ๋‚˜์š”? ์Œ์‹์„ ๊ตฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์ผ์ƒ์„ ๊ด€๋ฆฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ?
03:32
How has it been?
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์–ด๋• ์–ด?
03:33
Sure. I think perhaps it was similar to what you are experiencing now. Or actually,
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ํ™•์‹ ํ•˜๋Š”. ์•„๋งˆ ์ง€๊ธˆ ๊ฒช๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ๊ณผ ๋น„์Šทํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„๊นŒ ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ
03:42
there is a gradual easing in London, so I guess perhaps you could go out more yourself. You know,
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๋Ÿฐ๋˜์— ์ ์ง„์ ์ธ ์™„ํ™”๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ์™ธ์ถœํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ,
03:50
we've been there perhaps two months earlier than you, and we have to order food in a bunk,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋‹น์‹ ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋‘ ๋‹ฌ ์ผ์ฐ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ  ์นจ๋Œ€์—์„œ ์Œ์‹์„ ์ฃผ๋ฌธํ•ด์•ผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
03:59
and fortunately, the grocer is able to deliver to our doorstep. So we stay indoors
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. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
04:08
100% of the time, really. And that kind of situation continues for about three months.
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์ •๋ง 100% ์‹ค๋‚ด์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด 3๊ฐœ์›” ์ •๋„ ๊ณ„์†๋œ๋‹ค.
04:17
Then gradually, you know, the pandemic looks like, you know, got brought under control,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ์ ์ฐจ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ „์—ผ๋ณ‘์ด
04:28
at least for our region. So now we have kind of an unofficial lifting of the lockdown. So
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์ ์–ด๋„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ง€์—ญ์—์„œ๋Š” ํ†ต์ œ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ณด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ์‡„๋ฅผ ๋น„๊ณต์‹์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ•ด์ œํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
04:36
now I really seek the opportunity, and I go out every day for two hours. I don't go out
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์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์ •๋ง ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ๋…ธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งค์ผ 2์‹œ๊ฐ„์”ฉ ๋ฐ–์— ๋‚˜๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ–์— ๋‚˜๊ฐ€์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ 
04:44
and I go out every day for two hours in the early morning to have a long walk around the lake,
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๋งค์ผ ์ƒˆ๋ฒฝ 2์‹œ๊ฐ„์”ฉ ๋ฐ–์— ๋‚˜๊ฐ€ ํ˜ธ์ˆ˜ ์ฃผ๋ณ€์„ ๊ธธ๊ฒŒ ์‚ฐ์ฑ…
04:52
but I'm still very conscious about the two-metre distance from other people.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ํƒ€์ธ๊ณผ์˜ 2๋ฏธํ„ฐ ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์˜์‹ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค.
04:58
But I think the pandemic really changed people's behaviour and attitude,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํŒฌ๋ฐ๋ฏน์€ ์ ์–ด๋„ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ณธ ๋ฐ”๋กœ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ํ–‰๋™๊ณผ ํƒœ๋„๋ฅผ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ๋ฐ”๊ฟ” ๋†“์•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
05:04
at least from what I saw. You know, now most people are still wearing masks,
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. ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์ด์ œ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ โ€‹โ€‹๋งˆ์Šคํฌ๋ฅผ ์“ฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ ,
05:10
and people are, you know, conscious of not getting too close to each other.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์„œ๋กœ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ฐ€๊นŒ์ด ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜์‹ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:16
That's good. I think people in the UK need to take note of that, really, because there's been
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์ข‹์•„์š”. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์˜๊ตญ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ด ์ ์— ์œ ์˜ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ
05:22
a lot of discussion about, you know, is it any good wearing a mask, you know? And even
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๋งˆ์Šคํฌ๋ฅผ ์ฐฉ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์€์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋งŽ์€ ๋…ผ์˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
05:29
since the lockdown started here in March, people were going out for shopping and not bothering
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3์›”์— ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ๋ด‰์‡„๊ฐ€ ์‹œ์ž‘๋œ ์ดํ›„์—๋„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋งˆ์Šคํฌ๋ฅผ ์“ฐ์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์‡ผํ•‘ํ•˜๋Ÿฌ ๋‚˜๊ฐ”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
05:36
to wear a mask. And, I mean, I did. Personally, I wore a mask. I've been wearing a mask every time
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. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ ๋ง์€, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋žฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งˆ์Šคํฌ๋ฅผ ์ฐฉ์šฉํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‡ผํ•‘์„ ๊ฐˆ ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค ๋งˆ์Šคํฌ๋ฅผ ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋‹ค๋…”๋Š”๋ฐ
05:45
I've gone shopping, but so many people haven't been bothering, as if, oh, it's just optional.
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์€ ๋ถ„๋“ค์ด ๊ท€์ฐฎ์•„์„œ, ์•„, ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์„ ํƒ์‚ฌํ•ญ์ธ ๋“ฏ.
05:53
I think people need to, you know, really be careful.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ •๋ง ์กฐ์‹ฌํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:58
I think here, actually, there is a cultural difference, because in China, you know,
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์‚ฌ์‹ค ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ๋ฌธํ™”์  ์ฐจ์ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ค‘๊ตญ์—์„œ๋Š”
06:04
you know, people are very well educated that during, you know, flu season or anything that
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋…๊ฐ ์‹œ์ฆŒ์ด๋‚˜
06:12
is easily spreadable or contactable, you know, is advisable to wear masks and is very well
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์‰ฝ๊ฒŒ ํผ์ง€๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ ‘์ด‰ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์ผ ๋™์•ˆ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ต์œก์„ ์ž˜ ๋ฐ›์•„ ๋งˆ์Šคํฌ๋ฅผ ์ฐฉ์šฉํ•˜๊ณ 
06:21
received by people, you know, for many, many years. So we have no problem in accepting the idea that
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋งค์šฐ ํ˜ธํ‰์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ˆ˜๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ž์‹ ๊ณผ ์ฃผ๋ณ€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ์ด์ต์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋งˆ์Šคํฌ๋ฅผ ์ฐฉ์šฉํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ด๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
06:29
wearing masks for your own benefit and for the benefit of people around you. And we don't have
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. ์–ด์จŒ๋“  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด ์ผ์„ ํ•ด์™”๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
06:35
any psychological barrier or, you know, any feeling of embarrassing, that type of thing,
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์‹ฌ๋ฆฌ์  ์žฅ๋ฒฝ์ด๋‚˜ ๋ถ€๋„๋Ÿฌ์›€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
06:41
because we have been doing this anyway. That's good. I think, you know, it's partly that people
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. ์ข‹์•„์š”. ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
06:48
feel embarrassed. They think, oh, I will look stupid if I put a mask on, you know. That's not
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๋ถ€๋„๋Ÿฌ์›Œํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋งˆ์Šคํฌ๋ฅผ ์“ฐ๋ฉด ๋ฐ”๋ณด์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ณด์ผ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์‚ฌ์‹ค ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ
06:56
the issue, really, but the issue is to survive and to stay healthy, isn't it, really? And so things
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๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์ƒ์กด๊ณผ ๊ฑด๊ฐ•์„ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹๊นŒ์š”? ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
07:05
have been getting a lot easier then in your part of the country. So you've been able to get out.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์‚ฌ๋Š” ์ง€์—ญ์—์„œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์‰ฌ์›Œ์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‚˜๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:13
Have you been able to visit friends and family as well as going for walks on your own?
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์นœ๊ตฌ์™€ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์„ ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธํ•˜๊ณ  ํ˜ผ์ž์„œ ์‚ฐ์ฑ…์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
07:19
Yes, but still on very limited occasions. Again, because people are still worried about,
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์˜ˆ, ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๋งค์šฐ ์ œํ•œ๋œ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋งํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ โ€‹โ€‹๊ฑฑ์ •ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
07:28
you know, some, they call them people, symptom persons, i.e. people carrying virus but not showing
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์ผ๋ถ€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ, ์ฆ์ƒ ์ž, ์ฆ‰ ๋ฐ”์ด๋Ÿฌ์Šค๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ฆ์ƒ์„ ๋ณด์ด์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
07:38
any symptoms. So we are still avoiding kind of a large-scale gathering. But recently, me, mom,
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. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๋Œ€๊ทœ๋ชจ ๋ชจ์ž„์„ ํ”ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์ตœ๊ทผ์— ์ €์™€ ์—„๋งˆ,
07:47
and my aunt, we got together to make some traditional pancakes because we ran out of stock
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์ด๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ „ํ†ต ํŒฌ์ผ€์ดํฌ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ธฐ๋กœ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ๋ฌผ๋Ÿ‰์ด ๋‹ค ๋–จ์–ด์ง€๊ณ 
07:55
and it's not easy, really, to buy them as it used to be. They are not, you know, as available as
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์˜ˆ์ „์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์‚ฌ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง ์‰ฝ์ง€ ์•Š๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š” . ์ด์ „์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
08:03
they were before. So, you know, I went without the kind of traditional bread for a while and finally,
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. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ•œ๋™์•ˆ ์ „ํ†ต๋นต ์—†์ด ์ง€๋‚ด๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๋“œ๋””์–ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด์„œ
08:15
I missed it so much, so I decided, okay, I'm going to roll up my sleeves and make them myself.
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ํŒ”์„ ๊ฑท์–ด๋ถ™์ด๊ณ  ์ง์ ‘ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด๋ณด๊ธฐ๋กœ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
08:22
And I got support from my mom and aunt. I didn't have any skill before, so it's a training from
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์—„๋งˆ์™€ ์ด๋ชจ์˜ ์ง€์›์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „์—๋Š” ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ด ์—†์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ฒ˜์Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ํ›ˆ๋ จ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
08:27
scratch. I think I sent you a video clip of how to make the pancake.
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. ํŒฌ์ผ€์ดํฌ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋น„๋””์˜ค ํด๋ฆฝ์„ ๋ณด๋‚ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:33
Yes, and I just happened to have it handy here at my fingertips. If I can just do a bit of
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์˜ˆ, ์ €๋Š” ์šฐ์—ฐํžˆ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๋‚ด ์†๋์—์„œ ํŽธ๋ฆฌํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ํ™”๋ฉด ๊ณต์œ ๋ฅผ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
08:43
screen sharing here, if you could bear with me for one moment. So this is you here turning a pancake
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์ž ์‹œ๋งŒ ๋‚˜์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ํŒฌ์ผ€์ดํฌ๋ฅผ ๋Œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
08:50
and is that your mom behind you there? Yes, mom is preparing the dough. And my aunt is opposite my mom,
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์žˆ๊ณ  ์ €๊ธฐ ๋’ค์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์—„๋งˆ์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๋„ค, ์—„๋งˆ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ˜์ฃฝ์„ ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๋ชจ๋Š” ์—„๋งˆ ๋งž์€ํŽธ์— ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ,
09:04
but you couldn't see her. Actually, she was rolling out the dough and I was cooking the,
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๋…€๋ฅผ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ์‹ค, ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ๋ฐ˜์ฃฝ์„ ํŽด๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ์š”๋ฆฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ 
09:10
I was cooking the bread. So it's like a pancake or it's an extremely thin bread cooked on stove.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋นต์„ ์š”๋ฆฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํŒฌ์ผ€์ดํฌ์™€ ๊ฐ™ ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์Šคํ† ๋ธŒ์—์„œ ์š”๋ฆฌ๋˜๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ์–‡์€ ๋นต์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:17
That's amazing. That's really good. And I must play that just once more so that we
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๊ทธ ๋†€๋ผ์šด. ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€
09:23
can see every little detail.
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๋ชจ๋“  ์ž‘์€ ์„ธ๋ถ€ ์‚ฌํ•ญ์„ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ๋งŒ ๋” ์žฌ์ƒํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:34
That's so skillful, the way you're turning it in a stick.
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๋ง‰๋Œ€๊ธฐ๋กœ ๋Œ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์€ ๋งค์šฐ ๋Šฅ์ˆ™ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:38
And how did it taste? Did it taste good?
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ง›์€ ์–ด๋• ๋‚˜์š”? ๋ง›์ด ์ข‹์•˜๋‚˜์š”?
09:48
Oh yes, it's made from plain flour.
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๋„ค, ์ผ๋ฐ˜ ๋ฐ€๊ฐ€๋ฃจ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:56
Yeah, so it's extremely good for wrapping other dishes. So, you know,
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๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์š”๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ํฌ์žฅํ•˜๊ธฐ์— ์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
10:04
Chinese are famed for their stir-fries. So lots of stir-fried food can go inside and they really
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์ค‘๊ตญ์ธ๋“ค์€ ๋ณถ์Œ ์š”๋ฆฌ๋กœ ์œ ๋ช…ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ณถ์Œ๋ฐฅ์ด ๋งŽ์ด ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ  ์ •๋ง ์ž˜ ์–ด์šธ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
10:12
match, they really go well. So actually, it's interesting, this type of thin bread,
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. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์–‡์€ ๋นต์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:22
they are available perhaps in many provinces in China, but this type made from plain flour
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์ค‘๊ตญ์˜ ๋งŽ์€ ์ง€๋ฐฉ์—์„œ ๊ตฌํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
10:30
and cooked this way is really unique to my region. It's quite indigenous in a way.
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. ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ณด๋ฉด ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ํ† ์ฐฉ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:40
Okay, so you had the opportunity to go back to a traditional recipe and a traditional way of
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์ข‹์•„์š”, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ „ํ†ต์ ์ธ ์กฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฒ•์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€์„œ
10:48
making something at home that you would normally buy maybe in the supermarket.
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์ง‘์—์„œ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ์ „ํ†ต์ ์ธ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์Šˆํผ๋งˆ์ผ“์—์„œ ๊ตฌ์ž…ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:55
Definitely, because it takes a lot of manual work. For example, if we're going to do this,
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ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์ˆ˜์ž‘์—…์ด ๋งŽ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ๋งŒ์•ฝ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
11:04
we're going to plan an afternoon's time, for example.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์˜คํ›„ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๊ณ„ํšํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
11:08
Yes, so it takes longer. And I think there's something similar that has happened in the UK.
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๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋” ์˜ค๋ž˜ ๊ฑธ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ตญ์—์„œ๋„ ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ์ผ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
11:15
People have been baking much more, baking bread, baking cakes. Every time I went to the
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋นต์„ ๊ตฝ๊ณ  ์ผ€์ดํฌ๋ฅผ ๊ตฝ๋Š” ๋“ฑ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ๊ตฝ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋งˆํŠธ์— ๊ฐˆ ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค
11:22
supermarket, there was no flour, it had all sold out. Everyone was buying packets of flour
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๋ฐ€๊ฐ€๋ฃจ๊ฐ€ ์—†์–ด์„œ ๋‹ค ํ’ˆ์ ˆ์ด์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€
11:29
to make their own food. So it was a big sort of people taking photographs and sharing on social
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์ž์‹ ์˜ ์Œ์‹์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋ฐ€๊ฐ€๋ฃจ ํŒจํ‚ท์„ ๊ตฌ์ž…ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์‚ฌ์ง„์„ ์ฐ๊ณ  ์†Œ์…œ ๋ฏธ๋””์–ด์— ๊ณต์œ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
11:39
media. So I think similar things have been happening in different countries in that way.
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. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์‹์œผ๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ๋„ ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:46
It's almost like a global cooking friendly.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ ์š”๋ฆฌ ์นœํ™”์™€ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:49
Yes, because people have more time available. And also they can't buy them in the shop. So
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์˜ˆ, ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ƒ์ ์—์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ์‚ด ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
11:55
they think, oh, well, we'll make it to the home then. So it must be quite a nice sort of social
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค, ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ง‘์— ๋„์ฐฉํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ฐ€์กฑ ๋‹จ์œ„๋กœ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋„ ๊ฝค ์ข‹์€ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์‚ฌ๊ต ํ™œ๋™์ž„์— ํ‹€๋ฆผ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
12:01
activity too, to do as a family group.
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.
12:06
Definitely. And you will be chatting with each other while cooking.
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๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์š”๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์„œ๋กœ ์ˆ˜๋‹ค๋ฅผ ๋–จ๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:11
Okay, that's really good. I can see you're having a really nice time together there.
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์ข‹์•„์š”, ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:17
That's great. Thank you for sharing it with me. So, perhaps, could I ask about, you speak English
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ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ณต์œ ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ด๋„ ๋ ๊นŒ์š”, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ
12:27
very fluently and very well. So can you take me back to maybe when you were at school? Is that
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์•„์ฃผ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ณ  ์•„์ฃผ ์ž˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํ•™๊ต์— ์žˆ์—ˆ์„ ๋•Œ๋กœ ์ €๋ฅผ ๋ฐ๋ ค๊ฐ€ ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์–ด์š” ?
12:36
when you first started to learn English from your school days?
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ํ•™์ฐฝ์‹œ์ ˆ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์ฒ˜์Œ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
12:40
Yes. So in my generation, we started around 12 years old. So when we entered middle school,
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์˜ˆ. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์„ธ๋Œ€๋Š” 12์‚ด ์ •๋„์— ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ค‘ํ•™๊ต์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€๋ฉด์„œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ
12:49
we started to learn English. But as far as I know, for the current young generation,
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์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์•„๋Š” ํ•œ, ํ˜„์žฌ์˜ ์ Š์€ ์„ธ๋Œ€๋Š”
12:55
they start as early as three or four years old. And the primary school would have English as a
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๋น ๋ฅด๋ฉด ์„œ๋„ˆ ์‚ด๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ดˆ๋“ฑํ•™๊ต๋Š” ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์ „๊ณต๊ณผ๋ชฉ์œผ๋กœ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
13:04
major subject. So I think they would speak even better English than my generation.
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. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์„ธ๋Œ€๋ณด๋‹ค ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์ž˜ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:14
Yeah. And, you know, China's country plays a huge emphasis on
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์‘. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„์‹œ ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ์ค‘๊ตญ์€ ๊ต์œก์˜ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์— ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์ ์„ ๋‘๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
13:22
kind of a fundamental of education. So perhaps, comparing to the West,
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. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์„œ๊ตฌ์— ๋น„ํ•ด
13:30
it is relatively lacking in kind of creative nurturing. But the foundation is quite solid.
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์ฐฝ์˜์ ์ธ ์œก์„ฑ์ด ์ƒ๋Œ€์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ถ€์กฑํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๊ธฐ์ดˆ๋Š” ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ๊ฒฌ๊ณ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:40
So in English, you know, children have lots of practice in grammar, in written English.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์˜์–ด๋กœ ์•„์ด๋“ค์€ ์˜์–ด ๋ฌธ์–ด์ฒด์—์„œ ๋งŽ์€ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ์—ฐ์Šต์„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:50
So I think when I was working in London, my colleague told me my English writing and my
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋Ÿฐ๋˜์—์„œ ์ผํ•  ๋•Œ ๋™๋ฃŒ๊ฐ€ ์ œ ์˜์–ด ์ž‘๋ฌธ๊ณผ
13:56
grammar, you know, are better than most of British people. So I think that perhaps is a benefit from
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๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์ด ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์˜๊ตญ์ธ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋‚ซ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ณ ๊ตญ์—์„œ ๋ฐ›์€ ๊ต์œก์˜ ์ด์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
14:08
my education back home. But I think in terms of listening skills and spoken English, really, I made
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. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋Ÿฐ๋˜์— ๋„์ฐฉํ•œ ํ›„ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ๊ณผ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ์˜์–ด ๋ฉด์—์„œ
14:18
progress really in when I after I arrived in London, actually.
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์ •๋ง ๋ฐœ์ „ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
14:24
OK, so that that's interesting, because I think a lot of people tell me who have learned English
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๋„ค, ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ๊ตฐ์š”. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ ์˜จ ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šด ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ œ๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ
14:33
at school from different countries, that they did a lot of reading and writing,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ฝ๊ธฐ์™€ ์“ฐ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๋งŽ์ด ํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ
14:39
but they have less opportunity to practice listening and speaking. So I think that that's
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๋“ฃ๊ธฐ์™€ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์—ฐ์Šตํ•  ๊ธฐํšŒ๋Š” ์ ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด
14:46
true from a lot of countries. So so maybe perhaps you could tell us a little bit about when you
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๋งŽ์€ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์—์„œ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•„๋งˆ๋„
14:57
first came to the UK, the first few months and when you started working in, I think,
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์˜๊ตญ์— ์ฒ˜์Œ ์™”์„ ๋•Œ, ์ฒ˜์Œ ๋ช‡ ๋‹ฌ,
15:02
in an office environment. What was it like being in a new country, starting a new job,
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์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•œ ๋•Œ๋ฅผ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๋‚˜๋ผ์— ์žˆ๊ณ , ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ผ์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ณ ,
15:12
everyone speaking and working in English? What was that like?
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๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ์˜์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์–ด๋• ๋‚˜์š”? ์–ด๋• ์–ด?
15:17
Well, I think my impression, my biggest impression was the the importance of self-reliance,
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ์ธ์ƒ์€ ์ž๋ฆฝ์˜ ์ค‘์š”์„ฑ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:27
because I think the Western culture generally, you know, plays a great importance on individually,
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์„œ๊ตฌ ๋ฌธํ™”๋Š” ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
15:34
though. And you are expected to stand on your own two feet, you know, and you are expected to
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. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์Šค์Šค๋กœ ๋‘ ๋ฐœ๋กœ ์„œ์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ , ์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๋‹น์‹ ์€
15:42
learn individually, though. And you are expected to stand on your own two feet.
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๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐฐ์›Œ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‹น์‹  ์ž์‹ ์˜ ๋‘ ๋ฐœ๋กœ ์„œ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:48
So I figured that I had to be a very quick learner because I noticed that, you know,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ํŠนํžˆ ์ƒ์—…์ ์ธ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์—์„œ
15:56
everyone else is under pressure themselves, you know, in a commercial environment especially.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์Šค์Šค๋กœ ์••๋ฐ•์„ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋งค์šฐ ๋นจ๋ฆฌ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋˜์–ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
16:03
So people, they don't really have the time or patience to teach you the same thing twice.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น  ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด๋‚˜ ์ธ๋‚ด์‹ฌ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:10
So you've got to learn fast.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋นจ๋ฆฌ ๋ฐฐ์›Œ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:14
Right. So you had to learn as you went along, really, the best way of doing each thing.
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์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ๊ฐ ์ž‘์—…์„ ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ๋ฐฐ์›Œ์•ผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:22
Absolutely. And I think it's also important to observe, see how other people, local people,
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์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ด€์ฐฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๋˜ํ•œ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค, ์ง€์—ญ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
16:29
are interacting with each other, how they are doing things. So you could get a pretty good
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์„œ๋กœ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒํ˜ธ ์ž‘์šฉํ•˜๋Š”์ง€, ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ
16:35
idea quickly, you know, of a local customs and etiquette, you know, start from mimicking.
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ํ˜„์ง€ ๊ด€์Šต๊ณผ ์—ํ‹ฐ์ผ“์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฝค ์ข‹์€ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ๋นจ๋ฆฌ ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ชจ๋ฐฉ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
16:41
Ah, okay. Interesting.
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์•„, ์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด.
16:46
And I think also don't be held back by any thought that, "Oh, I might make a mistake.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  '์•„, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์‹ค์ˆ˜ํ• ๊นŒ ๋ด. ๋‚˜
16:55
I'm going to embarrass myself. Oh, I'm going to show, you know, my disadvantage or my weakness.
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๋ถ€๋„๋Ÿฌ์›Œํ•  ๊ฑฐ์•ผ. ์•„, ๋‚ด ๋‹จ์ ์ด๋‚˜ ์•ฝ์ ์„ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ๊ฒ ์–ด.
17:01
How are people going to think?" Well, actually, you know, just go and do things because if you
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ• ๊นŒ?" ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์‚ฌ์‹ค ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๊ฐ€์„œ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜์„ธ์š” ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
17:06
make a mistake, it's better to make them early when people still have, people still expect you
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์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์ผ์ฐ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‚ซ๊ณ  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ โ€‹โ€‹๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ธธ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€
17:14
to and they're going to correct you and you're going to learn really fast.
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๋‹น์‹ ์„ ๋ฐ”๋กœ์žก์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค ์ •๋ง ๋น ๋ฅด๋‹ค.
17:21
Yes, I think you're right. I think a lot of people feel reluctant to speak and people
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๋„ค, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์˜ณ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊บผ๋ คํ•˜๊ณ 
17:27
sometimes think, "Oh, I've got to speak in a perfect grammatical sentence." When in fact,
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๋•Œ๋•Œ๋กœ "์˜ค, ๋‚˜๋Š” ์™„๋ฒฝํ•œ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ๋ฌธ์žฅ์œผ๋กœ ๋งํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ด."๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ์‹ค
17:36
the way people speak, we don't tend to speak in perfect grammatical sentences. We
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์€ ์™„๋ฒฝํ•œ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ๋ฌธ์žฅ์œผ๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
17:44
tend to speak in short phrases, I think, you know, we get a thought in our head, put it in a few
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์งง์€ ๋ฌธ๊ตฌ๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋จธ๋ฆฟ์†์—์„œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ , ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ช‡
17:51
words and then another thought and another few words. So people, you know, some people
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๋งˆ๋””๋กœ ํ‘œํ˜„ํ•œ ๋‹ค์Œ, ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ƒ๊ฐ๊ณผ ๋ช‡ ๋งˆ๋””๋กœ ํ‘œํ˜„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์ฑ…
17:59
are reluctant to speak because they think they've got to speak the way you read sentences from a
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์—์„œ ๋ฌธ์žฅ์„ ์ฝ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ๋งํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊บผ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
18:05
book. But I think it's quite different, isn't it, from reading and writing. Whereas with speaking,
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. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ฝ๊ธฐ์™€ ์“ฐ๊ธฐ๋Š” ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๋ฐ˜๋ฉด ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ๋Š”
18:13
it's much more spontaneous and more in sort of little bits rather than sentences. I don't know
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ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์ž๋ฐœ์ ์ด๊ณ  ๋ฌธ์žฅ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ๋น„ํŠธ์— ๋” ๊ฐ€๊น์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:20
if you found that. I see. I think it really takes time to perfect, you know, any skill. So
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์ฐพ์œผ์…จ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•Œ๊ฒ ์–ด์š”. ์–ด๋–ค ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ด๋“  ์™„๋ฒฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๋ฐ ์ •๋ง ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๊ฑธ๋ฆฐ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ
18:29
you can't be too harsh on yourself because you are not perfect yet and thus you just never start
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์•„์ง ์™„๋ฒฝํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ฒฐ์ฝ” ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ž์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ฐ€ํ˜นํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
18:36
out. I think that way you will never make it. Yeah, just go ahead. I remember, you know,
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. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด ์ ˆ๋Œ€ ์„ฑ๊ณตํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์˜ˆ, ๊ณ„์†ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
18:45
in my first year of working in a front office and I was in a client lounge, really. There's a dish,
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ํ”„๋ก ํŠธ ์˜คํ”ผ์Šค์—์„œ ์ผํ•œ ์ฒซํ•ด์— ํด๋ผ์ด์–ธํŠธ ๋ผ์šด์ง€์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ ‘์‹œ์—
18:55
you know, a seafood dish with lime, the green vegetable, lime on the plate. And I asked my
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๋ผ์ž„, ๋…น์ƒ‰ ์ฑ„์†Œ, ๋ผ์ž„์„ ๊ณ๋“ค์ธ ํ•ด์‚ฐ๋ฌผ ์š”๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ
19:05
client, "Would you like lemon?" And the lady corrected me, "It's lime." Okay, I learnt it.
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์˜๋ขฐ์ธ์—๊ฒŒ "๋ ˆ๋ชฌ์„ ๋“œ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฌผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์—ฌ์ž๋Š” "๋ผ์ž„์ด์•ผ"๋ผ๊ณ  ์ •์ •ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ข‹์•„, ๋ฐฐ์› ์–ด.
19:12
Actually, you know, I'm still amazed myself, you know. I wasn't feeling really embarrassed. I was
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์‚ฌ์‹ค, ๋‚˜๋Š” ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๋‚˜ ์ž์‹ ์— ๋†€๋ž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ณ„๋กœ ๋ถ€๋„๋Ÿฝ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š”
19:18
just like, "Okay, I learnt it." And from then on, I will always know it's lime and it's different
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"์ข‹์•„, ๋ฐฐ์› ์–ด." ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋•Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ผ์ž„์ด๊ณ  ๋ ˆ๋ชฌ๊ณผ ๋‹ค๋ฅด๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•ญ์ƒ ์•Œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
19:25
from lemon. So I think it's just, you know, no matter how well prepared you are back home, you
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. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์ง‘์— ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์ž˜ ์ค€๋น„๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๋“ 
19:33
know, you can't avoid making mistakes in real life. And it's not a failure, you know. Actually,
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์‹ค์ƒํ™œ์—์„œ ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ํ”ผํ•  ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์‹คํŒจ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ์‹ค,
19:40
mistakes, if you learn from it, equals progress. So, you know, treat it positively. Absolutely.
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์‹ค์ˆ˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋ฐฐ์šด๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ง„๋ณด์™€ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ๊ธ์ •์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ€ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค. ์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ.
19:49
And, you know, lemons and limes are very similar. Just apart from the colour, they look very similar,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ๋ ˆ๋ชฌ๊ณผ ๋ผ์ž„์€ ๋งค์šฐ ๋น„์Šทํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ƒ‰์ƒ๋งŒ ๋นผ๋ฉด ๊ต‰์žฅํžˆ ๋น„์Šทํ•ด ๋ณด์ด์ฃ 
19:57
don't they? And it's also just, you know, people realise that you're human, you know. If everyone
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? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋˜ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ธ๊ฐ„์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊นจ๋‹ซ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด
20:05
was absolutely perfect about everything, you would think, "Oh, gosh." You know, but we're all human.
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๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ ˆ๋Œ€์ ์œผ๋กœ ์™„๋ฒฝํ•˜๋‹ค๋ฉด "์˜ค, ์ด๋Ÿฐ." ์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ธ๊ฐ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:12
So sometimes people will like you more if someone makes a little mistake. It's sort of, it's more
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋•Œ๋•Œ๋กœ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์ž‘์€ ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋ฉด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ๋” ์ข‹์•„ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ผ์ข…์˜,
20:20
human, in a way, isn't it? So it's not a big deal. And, you know, people just move on from that.
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์–ด๋–ค ๋ฉด์—์„œ ๋” ์ธ๊ฐ„์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ? ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํฐ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:29
Absolutely. Especially if people notice that you are getting better and better.
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์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ. ํŠนํžˆ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ ์  ์ข‹์•„์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ์•„์ฐจ๋ฆฐ๋‹ค๋ฉด.
20:34
They're going to admire you for that.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์กด๊ฒฝํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:35
Absolutely. That's it. So then, thinking about being in the UK and working here,
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์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค์•ผ. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์˜๊ตญ์— ์žˆ๊ณ  ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ 
20:46
and in the UK and working here, when you are in the UK, as you often are,
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์˜๊ตญ์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณด์„ธ์š”. ์˜๊ตญ์— ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์ข…์ข… ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋“ฏ์ด ์˜๊ตญ์— ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ
20:56
are there things that you miss about China when you're in the UK? Or the other way around,
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์ค‘๊ตญ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ์šด ๊ฒƒ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ? ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋ฐ˜๋Œ€๋กœ ์ค‘๊ตญ์— ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ
21:05
are there things in the UK that you miss when you're in China? Anything like that?
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์˜๊ตญ์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ์šด ๊ฒƒ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ? ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฑฐ์š”?
21:12
I see. Well, I think the UK really has really amazing access to beautiful sceneries,
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์•Œ๊ฒ ์–ด์š”. ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์ €๋Š” ์˜๊ตญ์ด ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์šด ๊ฒฝ์น˜,
21:23
countryside, green spaces. It's really wonderful. But it's local food. It's, you know, relatively
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์‹œ๊ณจ, ๋…น์ง€ ๊ณต๊ฐ„์— ์ •๋ง ๋†€๋ž๊ฒŒ ์ ‘๊ทผํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋กœ์ปฌํ‘ธ๋“œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ƒ๋Œ€์ ์œผ๋กœ
21:32
dull. But in London, you know, London is a magnet and has world-class cuisines,
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์ง€๋ฃจํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋Ÿฐ๋˜์—์„œ๋Š” ๋Ÿฐ๋˜์ด ์ž์„๊ณผ๋„ ๊ฐ™๊ณ  ์„ธ๊ณ„์  ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ ์š”๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์œ ๋ช…ํ•œ ์…ฐํ”„์˜
21:43
you know, all kinds of world-class cuisines from famous chefs. So I think your palate will
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์„ธ๊ณ„์  ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ์š”๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋ฏธ๊ฐ์ด
21:49
be satisfied in London. But once you go to other kind of more provincial places, then
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๋Ÿฐ๋˜์—์„œ ๋งŒ์กฑํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์ผ๋‹จ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ๋” ์ง€๋ฐฉ์ ์ธ ์žฅ์†Œ์— ๊ฐ€๋ฉด
21:57
you're going to miss Chinese food, which is very stimulating and has a great many varieties.
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๋งค์šฐ ์ž๊ทน์ ์ด๊ณ  ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์ข…๋ฅ˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ค‘๊ตญ ์Œ์‹์„ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ์›Œํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:06
Yes, yes. Yes, I can imagine. I guess there are areas of the UK you might have, you know,
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์˜ˆ, ์˜ˆ. ์˜ˆ, ์ƒ์ƒํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ตญ์—๋Š” ์š”ํฌ์…”
22:14
local dishes, things like Yorkshire pudding, Lancashire hot pot, different types of regional
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ํ‘ธ๋”ฉ, ๋žญ์ปค์…” ํ•ซํŒŸ, ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์ง€์—ญ
22:24
food. But I think traditionally, the UK is sort of meat and two types of vegetable.
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์Œ์‹๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ํ˜„์ง€ ์š”๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ง€์—ญ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ „ํ†ต์ ์œผ๋กœ ์˜๊ตญ์€ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๊ณ ๊ธฐ์™€ ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์œ ํ˜•์˜ ์•ผ์ฑ„๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:33
You know, people joke about it a little bit. It may seem a little bit dull after a while.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๋†๋‹ด์„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ง€๋‚˜๋ฉด ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๋‘”ํ•ด ๋ณด์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:40
Heavy and hearty, very comforting food. Yes, yes. Filling, I think, filling, lots of potato
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๋ฌด๊ฒ๊ณ  ์™•์„ฑํ•œ ๋งค์šฐ ํŽธ์•ˆํ•œ ์Œ์‹. ์˜ˆ, ์˜ˆ. ๋ณดํ†ต ๊ฐ์ž๋ฅผ ๋งŽ์ด ์ฑ„์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”
22:48
usually. And people love chips, you know. But I know what you mean about Chinese food. It's
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. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์นฉ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ค‘๊ตญ ์Œ์‹์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ์••๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€
22:54
very colorful, very tasty, you know, a lot of variety. So, so are there things about the UK
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๋งค์šฐ ๋‹ค์ฑ„๋กญ๊ณ  ๋งค์šฐ ๋ง›์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ๋งค์šฐ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด
23:06
that you miss when you're in China? I miss my trekking in the beautiful countryside.
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์ค‘๊ตญ์— ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด์„œ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ์›Œ์ง€๋Š” ์˜๊ตญ์˜ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”? ๋‚˜๋Š” ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์šด ์‹œ๊ณจ์—์„œ์˜ ํŠธ๋ ˆํ‚น์ด ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ์›Œ์š”.
23:14
Ah, yes. So you'd like to go for country walks when you're here in the UK?
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์•„ ์˜ˆ. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์˜๊ตญ์— ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์‹œ๊ณจ ์‚ฐ์ฑ…์„ ๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
23:22
Yes. You know, the kind of 10 miles per day or even more.
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์˜ˆ. ํ•˜๋ฃจ์— 10๋งˆ์ผ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ทธ ์ด์ƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:30
So would that be, would you go out of London into the countryside? Would you have a walk around
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋Ÿฐ๋˜์„ ๋– ๋‚˜ ์‹œ๊ณจ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ?
23:36
London streets exploring? Or what would you do usually? When I first came to London, I'm kind of,
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๋Ÿฐ๋˜ ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ํƒํ—˜ํ•˜๋ฉฐ ์‚ฐ์ฑ…ํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ํ‰์†Œ์— ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ? ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ฒ˜์Œ ๋Ÿฐ๋˜์— ์™”์„ ๋•Œ
23:46
I was more a metropolitan person. I would be happy to go into, you know, individual street
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์ €๋Š” ์ข€ ๋” ๋Œ€๋„์‹œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:56
just to explore because London has so much to offer. But when I got familiar with the city,
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๋Ÿฐ๋˜์—๋Š” ์ œ๊ณตํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ํƒํ—˜์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ๊ฐœ๋ณ„ ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€๊ฒŒ ๋˜์–ด ๊ธฐ์ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋„์‹œ์™€ ์นœํ•ด์ง€๋ฉด์„œ
24:04
then I became more of a nature person. So usually I'd take a train from a station,
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์ž์—ฐ์ธ์ด ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๋ณดํ†ต ์—ญ์—์„œ ๊ธฐ์ฐจ๋ฅผ ํƒ€๊ณ 
24:13
have a 30 minutes or to one hour journey out and do a proper, you know, trekking there.
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30๋ถ„์—์„œ 1์‹œ๊ฐ„ ์ •๋„ ๋ฐ–์— ๋‚˜๊ฐ€์„œ ์ œ๋Œ€๋กœ ๋œ ํŠธ๋ ˆํ‚น์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:23
My favorite trekking place actually is from Seven Sisters. From, oh, oh, yeah, from Seaford
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์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ํŠธ๋ ˆํ‚น ์žฅ์†Œ๋Š” ์„ธ๋ธ์‹œ์Šคํ„ฐ์ฆˆ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค, ์˜ค, ์˜ˆ, Seaford์—์„œ
24:32
to Eastbourne. Oh, to Eastbourne on the south coast. We were talking about the south coast
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Eastbourne๊นŒ์ง€. ์˜ค, ๋‚จ์ชฝ ํ•ด์•ˆ์˜ ์ด์ŠคํŠธ๋ณธ์œผ๋กœ .
24:41
in another interview, but that was for a different reason. So Eastbourne in Sussex
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐ์—์„œ ๋‚จํ•ด์•ˆ ์–˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ด์œ ์—์„œ์˜€๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ Sussex์˜ Eastbourne์€ ์˜๊ตญ์—์„œ
24:47
is a very popular seaside resort of the UK. So you love Eastbourne.
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๋งค์šฐ ์ธ๊ธฐ ์žˆ๋Š” ํ•ด๋ณ€ ํœด์–‘์ง€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ด์ŠคํŠธ๋ณธ์„ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:54
Yeah. So the white cliff between Eastbourne and Seaford. Oh, Seaford. Yes. Along the coast,
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์‘. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ Eastbourne๊ณผ Seaford ์‚ฌ์ด์˜ ํ•˜์–€ ์ ˆ๋ฒฝ . ์˜ค, ์‹œํฌ๋“œ. ์˜ˆ. ํ•ด์•ˆ์„ ๋”ฐ๋ผ
25:03
it must be. How many miles? Just a few miles walk, is it, along the cliffs?
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๊ฐ€์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ช‡ ๋งˆ์ผ? ๋ช‡ ๋งˆ์ผ๋งŒ ๊ฑธ์œผ๋ฉด ์ ˆ๋ฒฝ์„ ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๊ฐ€๋‚˜์š”?
25:10
I think it's perhaps 11 or 12 miles. Okay. So I'd walk from Seaford station to Eastbourne station.
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11๋งˆ์ผ์ด๋‚˜ 12๋งˆ์ผ์ฏค ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์ข‹์•„์š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” Seaford ์—ญ์—์„œ Eastbourne ์—ญ๊นŒ์ง€ ๊ฑธ์–ด๊ฐˆ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:21
It doesn't take up a whole day, but, you know, there is a wonderful stop in the middle where
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ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ข…์ผ ๊ฑธ๋ฆฌ์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ ์ค‘๊ฐ„์—
25:28
you could have lunch just on the cliff, just beside the cliff and have just a breathtaking view.
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์ ˆ๋ฒฝ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์˜†์—์„œ ์ ์‹ฌ์„ ๋จน์„ ์ˆ˜์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ์ •๋ฅ˜์žฅ์ด ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ์ˆจ๋ง‰ํžˆ๋Š” ์ „๊ฒฝ์„ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:38
So that's the, the cliffs are called the Seven Sisters, aren't they?
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ ์ ˆ๋ฒฝ์„ ์„ธ๋ธ ์‹œ์Šคํ„ฐ์ฆˆ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฅด์ฃ ?
25:44
Is that right? Yes. The White Chore Cliff. Yes. A bit like Dover. People talk about the
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๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์˜ˆ. ํ™”์ดํŠธ ์ดˆ์–ด ์ ˆ๋ฒฝ. ์˜ˆ. ๋„๋ฒ„์™€ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๋น„์Šทํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€
25:52
White Cliffs of Dover in Kent, which is further to the east, but Seaford and the Seven Sisters are
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๋” ๋™์ชฝ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ„ํŠธ์˜ ๋„๋ฒ„์˜ ๋ฐฑ๋ฒฝ์„ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์‹œํฌ๋“œ์™€ ์„ธ๋ธ ์‹œ์Šคํ„ฐ์ฆˆ๋Š”
26:00
seven sort of large white cliffs, aren't they, I think. So I've been to Eastbourne and I've been
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์ผ๊ณฑ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ํฐ ๋ฐฑ๋ฒฝ์ด ์•„๋‹๊นŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด์ŠคํŠธ๋ณธ๋„ ๊ฐ€๋ณด๊ณ 
26:09
to Seaford separately, but I've never walked between the two. So maybe that's something I
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์‹œํฌ๋“œ๋„ ๋”ฐ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋ดค์ง€๋งŒ ๋‘˜ ์‚ฌ์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฑธ์–ด๋ณธ ์ ์€ ์—†์–ด์š” . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
26:18
should try sometime. So thank you for the recommendation there. Absolutely. It sounds
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์–ธ์  ๊ฐ€ ์‹œ๋„ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ถ”์ฒœํ•ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ.
26:25
lovely. Okay. So that's great. That sounds wonderful. And the sea air, of course, is very
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์‚ฌ๋ž‘์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ฒŒ ๋“ค๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ข‹์•„์š”. ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฉ‹์ง€๋„ค์š”. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฐ”๋‹ค ๊ณต๊ธฐ๋Š” ๋ฌผ๋ก 
26:33
healthy to be walking along the coast. Very refreshing. Very healthy, refreshing air. That's
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ํ•ด์•ˆ์„ ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๊ฑท๊ธฐ์— ์•„์ฃผ ๊ฑด๊ฐ•ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งค์šฐ ์ƒ์พŒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฑด๊ฐ•ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ƒ์พŒํ•œ ๊ณต๊ธฐ.
26:42
right. Especially when you got a bit worn out by maybe the stress of working and living in London,
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์ข‹์•„์š”. ํŠนํžˆ
26:49
perhaps, you know, which is a highly competitive and fast paced place. It's really a recharge,
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๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์ด ์น˜์—ดํ•˜๊ณ  ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ๋ณ€ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณณ์ธ ๋Ÿฐ๋˜์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์ƒํ™œํ•˜๋Š” ์ŠคํŠธ๋ ˆ์Šค๋กœ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ์ง€์ณค์„ ๋•Œ. ์ •๋ง ์žฌ์ถฉ์ „,
26:58
a reboot for you, you know. Absolutely. Yes. Lovely. Sounds fantastic. Okay. And so would you
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์žฌ๋ถ€ํŒ…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ. ์˜ˆ. ์‚ฌ๋ž‘์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด. ํ™˜์ƒ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋“ค๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ข‹์•„์š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€
27:09
say, would you say your English has improved since, I mean, you've been based in the UK for
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์˜์–ด ์‹ค๋ ฅ์ด ํ–ฅ์ƒ๋˜์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์ œ ๋ง์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์˜๊ตญ์—
27:18
a few years now, and we've known each other a few years. So would you say your English,
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๋ช‡ ๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ๊ฑฐ์ฃผํ•˜๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์„œ๋กœ๋ฅผ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์ง€๋‚ธ ์ง€ ๋ช‡ ๋…„์ด ๋˜์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์˜์–ด๋Š” ๋‹จ์ˆœํžˆ ์˜์–ด๊ถŒ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ
27:24
I imagine it, it has improved over the years, simply being in an English speaking country
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์ˆ˜๋…„์— ๊ฑธ์ณ ํ–ฅ์ƒ๋˜์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
27:33
all this time. So how would you say your English has developed? Hmm. I think,
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. ์˜์–ด๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ฐœ์ „ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ? ํ .
27:44
I can think of two milestones, perhaps. The first one is about the accreditation of English way of
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ด์ •ํ‘œ๋ฅผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์‚ฌ๊ณ  ๋ฐฉ์‹์˜ ์ธ์ •์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
27:53
thinking. In my first two years of arriving in London, I think my English was reasonably clear
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. ๋Ÿฐ๋˜์— ๋„์ฐฉํ•œ ์ฒซ 2๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ,
28:03
back then, although with a noticeable Chinese accent. Well, I still do. However,
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๋น„๋ก ๋ˆˆ์— ๋„๋Š” ์ค‘๊ตญ์–ด ์–ต์–‘์ด ์žˆ๊ธด ํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹น์‹œ์—๋Š” ์ œ ์˜์–ด๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ๋ช…๋ฃŒํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์ €๋Š” ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
28:12
my colleagues found me hard to understand because I was still thinking in the Chinese way,
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์ œ ๋™๋ฃŒ๋“ค์€ ์ œ ๋ง์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ธฐ ์–ด๋ ค์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์ค‘๊ตญ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:19
and I was literally, you know, translating my thoughts into English.
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์ €๋Š” ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ๋ง ๊ทธ๋Œ€๋กœ ์˜์–ด๋กœ ๋ฒˆ์—ญํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:28
It really took me, I think, at least two years to make that a mental transformation
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๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ์˜์–ด ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ์ •์‹ ์  ๋ณ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๋ฐ ์ ์–ด๋„ 2๋…„์€ ๊ฑธ๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
28:35
to think in the English way. And after I could do that,
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28:40
my communication with others become really smooth. Oh, that's great. So I think this,
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ์˜ ์†Œํ†ต์ด ์ •๋ง ์›ํ™œํ•ด์กŒ์–ด์š” . ์˜ค, ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•˜๋„ค์š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—
28:45
you know, other people say this, you know, they sort of realized, oh gosh, I'm thinking in English,
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค ์ด๋Ÿฐ, ์ €๋Š” ์˜์–ด๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:53
you know, not just speaking in English, but automatically thinking in English as well.
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ์˜์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ•  ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์ž๋™์ ์œผ๋กœ ์˜์–ด๋กœ๋„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:02
Yeah, I feel language is really, it's a cultural thing, really. It's a carrier. It's almost like
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์˜ˆ, ์ €๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง ๋ฌธํ™”์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์บ๋ฆฌ์–ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:11
a carrier of, you know, intention, culture, and information. So you have to be properly aligned
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์˜๋„, ๋ฌธํ™”, ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์ „๋‹ฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋ฌธํ™”์™€ ์ ์ ˆํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์กฐํ™”๋ฅผ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:20
with the culture, you know, then you could really seamlessly, you know, speak it really.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ์ •๋ง ์›ํ™œํ•˜๊ฒŒ, ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:30
Okay, that's great. Lovely. So, and do you feel you've developed in terms of your vocabulary
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์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ๋ž‘์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ, ์–ดํœ˜๋ ฅ
29:37
and fluency and how you express ideas and so on? That's the second milestone for me.
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๊ณผ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•จ, ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ํ‘œํ˜„ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ• ๋“ฑ์—์„œ ๋ฐœ์ „ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋Š๋ผ์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ? ์ €์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์ด์ •ํ‘œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”•์…”๋„ˆ๋ฆฌ์™€ ์—ฐ์ƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ
29:50
It was made after I started taking lessons in diction and evocation. And I owe it to you,
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์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ฐ›๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•œ ํ›„์— ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋นš์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
29:58
Gill. I think I started, I think I, you know, studied with you since about 2013, something
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Gill. 2013๋…„์ฏค๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๊ณต๋ถ€๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”
30:03
like that. I noticed the constant positive change in people's perception of my presentations and
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. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‚ด ์–ด๋ฒ•์ด ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๊ฐœ์„ ๋˜๋ฉด์„œ ๋‚ด ํ”„๋ ˆ์  ํ…Œ์ด์…˜๊ณผ ์—ฐ์„ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ์ธ์‹์ด ์ง€์†์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ธ์ •์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ์•„์ฐจ๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
30:13
speeches with some improvement in my diction. That's great. And way of speaking, etc.
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. ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹ ๋“ฑ.
30:24
And this in turn really has enhanced my self-esteem. So it has created a very positive
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ œ ์ž์กด๊ฐ์„ ์ •๋ง ๋†’์—ฌ์ฃผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธ์ •์ ์ธ ๋ฃจํ”„๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
30:32
loop. It's a feedback loop like that. Oh, that's great. That's really good.
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. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ํ”ผ๋“œ๋ฐฑ ๋ฃจํ”„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค, ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•˜๋„ค์š”. ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:39
I feel that, you know, I think I kind of overstate the importance of
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์›…๋ณ€ ์˜ ์ค‘์š”์„ฑ์„ ์ข€ ๊ณผ์žฅํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”
30:49
elocution. Now we live in a world of communication and connectedness, really.
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. ์ด์ œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ •๋ง ์†Œํ†ต๊ณผ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ์˜ ์„ธ๊ณ„์— ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:55
And maybe, you know, to speak with a native English person, you know, you hear the language
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์˜์–ด ์›์–ด๋ฏผ๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด์ธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
31:05
spoken by someone who's, you know, it's their first language. I guess that that's,
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. ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ,
31:10
you know, to spend many hours over the years speaking to native English speakers,
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์ˆ˜๋…„์— ๊ฑธ์ณ ์˜์–ด ์›์–ด๋ฏผ๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋งŽ์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
31:19
it sort of makes a difference gradually as time goes on. Absolutely, that is indispensable.
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์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ง€๋‚จ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ์ ์ฐจ ์ฐจ์ด๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ ˆ๋Œ€์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ•„์ˆ˜ ๋ถˆ๊ฐ€๊ฒฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:28
I think, maybe I'm saying, I'm not to dishearten, you know, eager English learners in non-English
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๋น„์˜์–ด๊ถŒ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์—์„œ ์—ด์‹ฌํžˆ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ์‹ค๋ง์‹œํ‚ค๋ ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
31:35
speaking country. But I'd say, you know, try as you hard, it definitely help. You're going to
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. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์—ด์‹ฌํžˆ ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋ฉด ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๋„์›€์ด ๋œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€
31:40
build up a really good foundation. But set a right expectation, because, you know, the world
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์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜์„ ๊ตฌ์ถ•ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅธ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€์น˜๋ฅผ ์„ค์ •ํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ
31:48
experience of speaking to native speaker, working with them, living in their environment,
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์›์–ด๋ฏผ๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์—์„œ ์ƒํ™œํ•˜๋Š” ์„ธ๊ณ„ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์€
31:55
it's just irreplaceable in your development of English skill. So, build up a strong foundation
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ์˜์–ด ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ ๋ฐœ๋‹ฌ์— ์—†์–ด์„œ๋Š” ์•ˆ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์˜ค๊ธฐ ์ „์— ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ๊ธฐ์ดˆ๋ฅผ ์Œ“์œผ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค
32:04
before you come, but expect that you still have a quite steep learning curve to climb.
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. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๋“ฑ๋ฐ˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํ•™์Šต ๊ณก์„ ์ด ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ๊ฐ€ํŒŒ๋ฅด๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜ˆ์ƒํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
32:10
Okay. And so, that's very good advice for anybody, you know, just to, you know, speak, don't worry
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์ข‹์•„์š”. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋‚˜ ๋งค์šฐ ์ข‹์€ ์ถฉ๊ณ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๋ง์„ ํ•˜๊ณ , ์‹ค์ˆ˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฑฑ์ •ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ง๊ณ ,
32:20
about mistakes, as you were saying earlier, and just absorb, absorb the language, and so on. Is
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32:30
there any other final bit of advice you would give to anyone planning to come to live in the UK, work
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๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์œผ๋กœ ์˜๊ตญ์— ๊ฑฐ์ฃผํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
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or study here? Any particular advice you would give? Observe, be a keen observer, and really
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์ด๊ณณ์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•  ๊ณ„ํš์„ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ ์กฐ์–ธ์„ ํ•ด์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ค„ ํŠน๋ณ„ํ•œ ์กฐ์–ธ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ? ๊ด€์ฐฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์˜ˆ๋ฆฌํ•œ ๊ด€์ฐฐ์ž๊ฐ€ ๋˜์–ด
32:53
see how local people interact with each other. Seize opportunities to take part in events or
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ํ˜„์ง€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์„œ๋กœ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒํ˜ธ ์ž‘์šฉํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ํ™•์ธํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค. ์ด๋ฒคํŠธ๋‚˜ ํ™œ๋™์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•  ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์žก์œผ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค. ์ง€์—ญ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค
33:01
activities, because if you can socialize with local people, you're going to, you're going to
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๊ณผ ์‚ฌ๊ทˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
33:09
improve really fast. That's great. And as I mentioned before, don't be afraid to make mistakes.
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์ •๋ง ๋น ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ํ–ฅ์ƒ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•ž์„œ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ๋‘๋ ค์›Œํ•˜์ง€ ๋งˆ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
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The more you do, actually, the faster you learn, the faster you learn. So, don't worry, people won't
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ํ• ์ˆ˜๋ก ๋” ๋นจ๋ฆฌ ๋ฐฐ์šธ์ˆ˜๋ก ๋” ๋นจ๋ฆฌ ๋ฐฐ์›๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ๊ฑฑ์ •ํ•˜์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”. ํŠนํžˆ ๋น„์˜์–ด๊ถŒ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์—์„œ ์˜ค๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
33:25
necessarily laugh at you, because they expect you to do so, especially if you are coming from a
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๋น„์›ƒ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋ฐ˜๋“œ์‹œ ๋น„์›ƒ์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
33:30
non-English speaking country. Okay, that's really helpful. Thank you. So, okay, Michelle, thank you
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. ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง ๋„์›€์ด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ข‹์•„์š”, Michelle,
33:40
so much for your time, for spending some time talking about your experiences of English learning,
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์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋‚ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋‚ด์–ด ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต ๊ฒฝํ—˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ ,
33:52
being in the UK, and telling us more about yourself. It's been great talking with you.
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์˜๊ตญ์— ์žˆ๊ณ , ์ž์‹ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
33:59
Lovely talking to you too. Thank you, and I'd like to wish you all the best with your continuing
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๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘์Šค๋Ÿฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ž์œผ๋กœ๋„ ์˜ํ•™ ๊ณต๋ถ€์— ์ตœ์„ ์„ ๋‹คํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
34:05
medical studies as well. So, that sounds really good. And so, thank you. And just to say to
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34:17
everyone watching, do look out for other interviews that we're gradually doing. And if you have any
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์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜์‹œ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๋ถ„๋“ค๊ป˜ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฉด, ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ ์ ์ฐจ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐ๋„ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
34:28
suggestions for questions I could ask people as we continue, do put in the comments under the video,
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์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ œ์•ˆ์ด ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด ๊ณ„์† ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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either on YouTube or on the engVid website, suggestions for questions. And I'll be
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YouTube๋‚˜ engVid ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ์—์„œ ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์•„๋ž˜์— ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ œ์•ˆ์„ ๋Œ“๊ธ€๋กœ ๋‚จ๊ฒจ์ฃผ์„ธ์š”. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์ง€๋‚จ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ
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interviewing guests from different countries as time goes on. So, thank you for watching,
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ ์˜จ ์†๋‹˜์„ ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์‹œ์ฒญํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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and thank you again, Michelle, for being with us. And if you haven't yet subscribed to my channel,
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๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Michelle, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํ•ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„์ง ์ œ ์ฑ„๋„์„ ๊ตฌ๋…ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ์…จ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
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if you're enjoying the videos, please subscribe, and hope to see you again soon. Okay, so,
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์˜์ƒ์ด ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“œ์‹ ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ตฌ๋… ๋ถ€ํƒ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋ฉฐ, ๊ณง ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ต ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ข‹์•„, ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ
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bye for now, from both of us. Bye.
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์ด์ œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ์•ˆ๋…•. ์•ˆ๋…•.
์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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