English Expert Reveals How To Improve Your Speaking Skills

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋œ ์ž๋ง‰์€ ๊ธฐ๊ณ„ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

00:00
Today I'm very excited becauseย  we have a special guest.
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์˜ค๋Š˜์€ ํŠน๋ณ„ํ•œ ์†๋‹˜์ด ์˜ค์…”์„œ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
00:04
We have Keith from the very popular YouTubeย  channel English Speaking Success, and Keithย ย 
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๋งค์šฐ ์ธ๊ธฐ ์žˆ๋Š” YouTube ์ฑ„๋„ English Speaking Success์˜ Keith๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Keith๋Š”
00:10
will be sharing his best tips and advice to helpย  you feel confident speaking in any situation.
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์–ด๋–ค ์ƒํ™ฉ์—์„œ๋„ ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ํŒ๊ณผ ์กฐ์–ธ์„ ๊ณต์œ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:16
Welcome, Keith.
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ํ™˜์˜ํ•ด์š”, ํ‚ค์Šค.
00:17
It's so wonderful to have you here.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ์žˆ์–ด์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ธฐ์ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:19
Hi Jennifer, it's wonderful to be here.
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์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š” ์ œ๋‹ˆํผ, ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์˜ค๊ฒŒ ๋˜์–ด ์ •๋ง ๊ธฐ์ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:21
Thank you so much for inviting me to come along.
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ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํ•˜๋„๋ก ์ดˆ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๊ณผ ์‹œ์ฒญ ์ค‘์ธ ๋ชจ๋“  ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค
00:23
I'm very excited to share some ideas withย  with you and all the students watching.
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๊ณผ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ณต์œ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜์–ด ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธฐ์ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
00:29
Oh, that's wonderful.
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์•„, ์ •๋ง ๋ฉ‹์ง€๋„ค์š”.
00:30
Now, Keith, every day I get messagesย  from my students telling me that theyย ย 
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Keith, ์ €๋Š” ๋งค์ผ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ
00:36
can read in English, they can writeย  in English, but they can't speak.
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์˜์–ด๋กœ ์ฝ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ  ์˜์–ด๋กœ ์“ธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:42
They're struggling with their speaking,ย  especially with native speakers.
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ํŠนํžˆ ์›์–ด๋ฏผ๊ณผ์˜ ๋Œ€ํ™”์—์„œ ์–ด๋ ค์›€์„ ๊ฒช๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:46
So what do you think?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์„ธ์š”?
00:48
Why are so many students strugglingย  with their speaking skills?
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์™œ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งŽ์€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์— ์–ด๋ ค์›€์„ ๊ฒช๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š” ?
00:53
I guess it goes back to our educations at school.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ์˜ ๊ต์œก์œผ๋กœ ๊ฑฐ์Šฌ๋Ÿฌ ์˜ฌ๋ผ๊ฐ„๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:58
I, I think where a lot of people learn English isย  at school and there, because the classes are soย ย 
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ณณ์€ ํ•™๊ต๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ˆ˜์—…์ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด
01:03
big, then you know, teachers tend to focusย  on, on reading skills and writing skills.
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ํฌ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ต์‚ฌ๋Š” ์ฝ๊ธฐ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ๊ณผ ์“ฐ๊ธฐ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์— ์ค‘์ ์„ ๋‘๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:08
We, we read, we discover English throughย  books, we read it, we analyse the language,ย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ฑ…์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ฑ…์„ ์ฝ๊ณ , ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ•˜๊ณ , ์ฝ๊ณ , ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ถ„์„ํ•˜๊ณ ,
01:15
maybe do a bit of listening practice,ย  but very rarely do speaking practice.
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๋“ฃ๊ธฐ ์—ฐ์Šต์„ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ์—ฐ์Šต์€ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:19
So I guess a lot of studentsย  over the years learning English,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๋งŽ์€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์ˆ˜๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ์ง€๋งŒ
01:21
they don't actually get aย  chance to practice speaking.
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ์—ฐ์Šต์„ ํ•  ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์–ป์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:25
And, and I think then whenย  the time comes to speak,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์—ฐ์„คํ•  ๋•Œ๊ฐ€ ๋˜์—ˆ์„ ๋•Œ
01:29
they just don't have the confidenceย  because they've not practiced that.
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์—ฐ์Šต์„ ํ•ด๋ณด์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์ด ์—†๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:32
I, I think with any skill, if you haven'tย  practiced it and you suddenly have to do it,ย ย 
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์–ด๋–ค ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ด๋„ ์—ฐ์Šตํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋Š”๋ฐ ๊ฐ‘์ž๊ธฐ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด
01:36
then it's quite nerve wracking and you, you know,ย ย 
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์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ๊ธด์žฅ๋˜๊ณ 
01:39
you lose your confidence and then you canย  go down this vicious cycle going downwards.
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์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์„ ์žƒ๊ณ  ์•…์ˆœํ™˜์— ๋น ์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:44
So I think, yeah, it's to do with that.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—”, ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„.
01:47
I think it's the the background of learningย  English not enough focus on speaking practice.
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๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ์—ฐ์Šต์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๋ฐฐ๊ฒฝ์ด ์•„๋‹๊นŒ ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:53
Yeah, that that makes a lot of sense.
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๋„ค, ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ ์ •๋ง ์˜๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
01:55
And that is the one thing Iย  hear from students a lot is Iย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋งŽ์ด ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๋ง์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€
01:59
want to speak but I don't have the opportunity.
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๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€๋งŒ ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์—†๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:03
And, and you mentioned something about that,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๋…ธ์ถœ์ด ์—†๊ธฐ
02:06
that fear they get becauseย  they don't have the exposure.
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๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋‘๋ ค์›Œํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
02:09
So I hear that a lot from students.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“คํ•œํ…Œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋ง์„ ๋งŽ์ด ๋“ฃ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:11
They're afraid of making grammar mistakes orย  a big one is they're afraid of being judged,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ๋‘๋ ค์›Œํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ํฐ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋Š” ์–ต์–‘์ด๋‚˜ ์˜์–ด
02:17
judged by native speakers becauseย  of their accent or their English.
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๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์›์–ด๋ฏผ์œผ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ํŒ๋‹จ๋ฐ›๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‘๋ ค์›Œํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
02:21
So what advice would you have forย  these students who are strugglingย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด
02:26
with those feelings of fear and nervousness?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋‘๋ ค์›€๊ณผ ์ดˆ์กฐํ•จ์œผ๋กœ ์–ด๋ ค์›€์„ ๊ฒช๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์–ด๋–ค ์กฐ์–ธ์„ ํ•ด์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
02:30
I think when it comes to fear, Iย  mean, I, I don't know what you think,ย ย 
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๋‘๋ ค์›€์— ๊ด€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š”, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ,
02:34
but I, I think a lot of nativeย  speakers are not so judgmental.
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๋งŽ์€ ์›์–ด๋ฏผ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํŒ๋‹จํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
02:39
They, they won't, they're very rarely going toย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:41
correct your grammar because most nativeย  speakers may not know how how to do that.
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๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์›์–ด๋ฏผ์ด ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์„ ๊ต์ •ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์„ ๊ต์ •ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:47
So they're probably not goingย  to correct your grammar.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์„ ๊ต์ •ํ•ด ์ฃผ์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
02:49
They, they, you know, they won't correctย  your accent or laugh at your accent.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์–ต์–‘์„ ๊ต์ •ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์–ต์–‘์„ ๋น„์›ƒ์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:53
I think by and large, most nativeย  speakers are kind of open mindedย ย 
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๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๋Œ€์ฒด๋กœ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์›์–ด๋ฏผ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฐœ๋ฐฉ์ ์ธ ๋งˆ์Œ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ 
02:59
with that and they're not goingย  to have a problem with that.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ์ผ์œผํ‚ค์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:01
I think where the problem comes isย  where if because of your grammarย ย 
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๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๋ฌธ์ œ๋Š” ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•
03:05
mistakes or your accent or pronunciation,ย  communication breaks down and they don'tย ย 
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์‹ค์ˆ˜๋‚˜ ์–ต์–‘์ด๋‚˜ ๋ฐœ์Œ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์˜์‚ฌ ์†Œํ†ต์ด ์ค‘๋‹จ๋˜๊ณ  ์ƒ๋Œ€๋ฐฉ์ด
03:12
understand what you're trying to say,ย  then yes, there's going to be a problem.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:15
And they'll be like, oh, well,ย  I don't want to speak to them.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ '์•„, ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๊ทธ๋“ค๊ณผ ์–˜๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”'๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:18
I can't communicate with them.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค๊ณผ ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:20
And so there is that, that problemย  that if communication breaks down,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต์ด ๋Š์–ด์ง€๋ฉด ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ
03:27
but communication can break downย  in different situations, right?
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์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต์ด ๋Š์–ด์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ฌธ์ œ๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
03:30
It can, it can break down due to mistakes,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿด ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ , ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋กœ ๋ฌด๋„ˆ์งˆ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ,
03:32
but it can also break down if youย  just go quiet or speak slowly.
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์กฐ์šฉํžˆ ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ฒœ์ฒœํžˆ ๋งํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ฌด๋„ˆ์งˆ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:37
You know, some students don't wantย  to make a mistake, so they go veryย ย 
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์ผ๋ถ€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์€ ์‹ค์ˆ˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์›ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋งค์šฐ
03:39
slowly and they they do each word by word andย  then communication breaks down because the,ย ย 
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์ฒœ์ฒœํžˆ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฐ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ณ„๋กœ ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•œ ๋‹ค์Œ
03:45
the listener is not following what you'reย  saying or is getting bored and walks away.
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์ฒญ์ทจ์ž๊ฐ€ ๊ท€ํ•˜๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ๋”ฐ๋ฅด์ง€ ์•Š๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ง€๋ฃจํ•ด์ง€๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต์ด ์ค‘๋‹จ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋– ๋‚œ๋‹ค.
03:51
So I think there's a balance betweenย  the accuracy and the fluency.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ •ํ™•์„ฑ๊ณผ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•จ ์‚ฌ์ด์— ๊ท ํ˜•์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
03:57
You know, you, you, you want to, you don't wantย  to be too thinking too much about your mistakes.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์›ํ•˜๊ณ , ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์‹ค์ˆ˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:02
Just try and communicate, just speak out, go withย  the flow, but be aware that if you are making aย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์‹œ๋„ํ•˜๊ณ  ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ตํ•˜๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ , ํ๋ฆ„์„ ๋”ฐ๋ฅด์„ธ์š” . ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
04:07
lot of mistakes, you'll see it in the eyes of theย  listener that the communication is broken down.
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์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ๋งŽ์ด ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋“ฃ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ๋ˆˆ์— ์˜์‚ฌ ์†Œํ†ต์ด ๋Š์–ด์ง„ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์ผ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ ์— ์œ ์˜ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
04:13
So you need that kind of balance of just speaking,ย  outgoing with the flow, but being aware you're notย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋‹จ์ง€ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ , ํ๋ฆ„์— ๋งž์ถฐ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์˜ ๊ท ํ˜•์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ,
04:20
making too many mistakes grammatically,ย  vocabulary or pronunciation mistakes.
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๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์€ ์‹ค์ˆ˜, ์–ดํœ˜ ๋˜๋Š” ๋ฐœ์Œ ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์ €์ง€๋ฅด์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ธ์‹ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:25
So that balance is is an important one.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ ๊ท ํ˜•์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:29
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense because if you'reย  just focused on making mistakes, you're forgettingย ย 
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๋„ค, ์ •๋ง ์ดํ•ด๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š”๊ตฐ์š”. ์‹ค์ˆ˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ์—๋งŒ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ณต์œ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”
04:35
that you're talking to someone because of an ideaย  you're sharing or a conversation you're having.
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์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋‚˜ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์™€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ์žŠ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
04:41
So you should really be focusing more on that.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋” ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•ด์•ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:45
And you mentioned that of course,ย  you do need to have the fluency,ย ย 
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๋ฌผ๋ก  ์œ ์ฐฝํ•จ,
04:50
have the grammar, have the vocabulary.
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๋ฌธ๋ฒ•, ์–ดํœ˜๋ ฅ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์…จ์ฃ .
04:53
So how do you balance the need to focus onย  these technical English skills like grammar,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•, ์–ดํœ˜์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ ์ธ ์˜์–ด ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๋Š”
04:59
vocabulary, but then also get the exposure,ย  also get the practice, the speaking practice?
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๋™์‹œ์— ๋…ธ์ถœ๋„ ์–ป๊ณ , ์—ฐ์Šต๋„ ํ•˜๊ณ , ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ์—ฐ์Šต๋„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ํ•„์š”์„ฑ ์‚ฌ์ด์˜ ๊ท ํ˜•์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋งž์ถ”๋‚˜์š”?
05:06
Oh, that's a very good question.
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์•„, ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด๋„ค์š”.
05:08
How do you balance both of those?
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์ด ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€์˜ ๊ท ํ˜•์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋งž์ถ”๋‚˜์š”?
05:13
I, I think it, it, it does, as you say, itย  comes through, it comes through practice.
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๋Œ€๋กœ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์—ฐ์Šต์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:18
There are different kindsย  of practice that you can do.
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๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์ข…๋ฅ˜ ์˜ ์—ฐ์Šต์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:21
There's practice you can do on yourย  own where you're just listening andย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋“ฃ๊ณ ,
05:24
repeating and listening and repeatingย  and maybe making up some sentences.
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๋ฐ˜๋ณตํ•˜๊ณ , ๋“ฃ๊ณ , ๋ฐ˜๋ณตํ•˜๊ณ  , ์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ๋ฌธ์žฅ์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด ๋ณด๋Š” ์—ฐ์Šต๋„ ์Šค์Šค๋กœ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:28
And there you can focus much moreย  on the accuracy because you're on,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์—์„œ๋Š” ์ •ํ™•์„ฑ์— ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด
05:32
you're on your own, you're at home.
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์ง‘์— ํ˜ผ์ž ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:34
Maybe you're recording yourself and you youย  just practice repeating, making up sentences.
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์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ์ž์‹ ์„ ๋…น์Œํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋ฐ˜๋ณตํ•ด์„œ ๋ฌธ์žฅ์„ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ์—ฐ์Šต์„ ํ–ˆ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:39
You can record and listen backย  and focus on getting accurate.
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๋…น์Œํ•˜๊ณ  ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋“ค์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ์ •ํ™•์„ฑ์„ ๋†’์ด๋Š” ๋ฐ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:43
But then on the other hand,ย  you've got practice whereย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํ•œํŽธ์œผ๋กœ๋Š”
05:45
you're engaging with other people andย  where you're communicating your idea.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์†Œํ†ตํ•˜๊ณ  ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ์ „๋‹ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์—ฐ์Šต๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:50
And that's your chance really to focus on thatย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ์–ดํœ˜๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต์— ์ •๋ง๋กœ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ธฐํšŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
05:54
kind of communication ratherย  than the grammar vocabulary.
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.
05:58
Just get your idea across andย  try and it it's hard to do,ย ย 
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์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ์ „๋‹ฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹œ๋„ํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š”. ์–ด๋ ต
06:04
but be comfortable with the level that you're at.
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๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ ํ˜„์žฌ ์ˆ˜์ค€์— ์ต์ˆ™ํ•ด์ง€์„ธ์š”.
06:07
I, I think a big frustration with a lotย  of students, especially IL students,ย ย 
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๋งŽ์€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค, ํŠนํžˆ IL ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ๋Š๋ผ๋Š” ํฐ ์ขŒ์ ˆ๊ฐ์€ ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ์•ˆ ๋์„ ๋•Œ ๋” ๋นจ๋ฆฌ ๋”
06:10
is they try to be at a higher levelย  more quickly when they're not ready.
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๋†’์€ ๋ ˆ๋ฒจ์— ๋„๋‹ฌํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
06:15
And so you're trying to use complex languageย  and you're making more mistakes where as ifย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ณต์žกํ•œ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์ €์ง€๋ฅด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งˆ์น˜
06:20
you come back to your level and try and speakย  at the level that you're at as well as you can,ย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ˆ˜์ค€์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„์™€์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ์ˆ˜์ค€์—์„œ ์ตœ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ž˜ ๋งํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋ฉด
06:26
you're going to improve your fluencyย  with the language that you know.
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์‹ค๋ ฅ์ด ํ–ฅ์ƒ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์•„๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ตฌ์‚ฌํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:30
So I think there's there's that happening as well.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ๋„ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:33
Yeah, you raised a great point.
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๋„ค, ์ข‹์€ ์ง€์ ์„ ํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:35
I love what you said about that balanceย  because if you spend time doing both,ย ย 
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๊ทธ ๊ท ํ˜•์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๋‚ด์šฉ์ด ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋ฅผ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํˆฌ์žํ•˜๋ฉด ์ •ํ™•์„ฑ์— ์ค‘์ ์„ ๋‘๋Š”
06:39
you're you have the structured practiceย  where you're focusing on that accuracy,ย ย 
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์ฒด๊ณ„ํ™”๋œ ์—ฐ์Šต์„ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ๋˜์ง€๋งŒ
06:44
but then you have the practice where you'reย  focusing on just conversation and communicating.
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๋Œ€ํ™”์™€ ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต์—๋งŒ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๋Š” ์—ฐ์Šต๋„ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:51
Now, what would you say to that student whoย  wants to sound more advanced in English,ย ย 
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์ด์ œ, ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์ข€ ๋” ๋Šฅ์ˆ™ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€๋งŒ
06:57
but their fluency isn't there yet?
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์•„์ง ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ ํ•™์ƒ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ญ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
07:00
What what should they do?
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
07:02
Just focusing on the words that they now know orย  should they focus on trying to add more words?
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์ง€๊ธˆ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‹จ์–ด์—๋งŒ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”?
07:08
What strategies do you have for that student?
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๊ทธ ํ•™์ƒ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ค ์ „๋žต์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
07:11
It has to be both of thoseย  it, I think it has to be in,ย ย 
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๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ ,
07:14
in conversations, focus on the fluency,ย  focus on using the words that you know.
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๋Œ€ํ™”์—์„œ๋Š” ์œ ์ฐฝํ•จ์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๊ณ , ์•„๋Š” ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:19
And because if you're using languageย  you're comfortable with, you're goingย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ž์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ํŽธํ•œ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋ฉด
07:23
to feel more confident and you're going toย  be speaking more fluently in the background.
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๋” ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ณ  ๋’ค์—์„œ๋„ ๋” ์œ ์ฐฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:28
Of course, you always needย  to be studying and learning,ย ย 
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๋ฌผ๋ก , ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ฐฐ์›Œ์•ผ ํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š”
07:32
expanding your vocabulary, grammarย  that you use up to a higher level.
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์–ดํœ˜, ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์„ ๋” ๋†’์€ ์ˆ˜์ค€๊นŒ์ง€ ํ™•์žฅํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:37
So you always want to be curious to learn newย  language and to grow the level that you're at.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ํ˜„์žฌ ์ˆ˜์ค€์„ ๋†’์ด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ํ˜ธ๊ธฐ์‹ฌ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:46
So you need both of those activities.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ํ™œ๋™์ด ๋ชจ๋‘ ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:49
And I kind of make it sound likeย  they're two separate activities.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์ด ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ฐ€ ๋ณ„๊ฐœ์˜ ํ™œ๋™์ธ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋“ค๋ฆฌ๊ฒŒ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:52
And by and large, they may be,ย  but they may be intermingled.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋Œ€์ฒด๋กœ ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ํ˜ผํ•ฉ๋  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:57
You know, you may be havingย  a conversation with someoneย ย 
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์™€ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
07:59
and they use an expression you've never heard.
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ๋„ ๋“ค์–ด๋ณธ ์  ์—†๋Š” ํ‘œํ˜„์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:01
And you say, well, that's interesting.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:03
And then at the end of the conversation,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋Œ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ๋๋‚˜๋ฉด
08:04
you just make a note and say,ย  oh, I must, I must remember that.
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๋ฉ”๋ชจ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ' ์•„, ๊ผญ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ด์š”, ๊ผญ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ด์š”'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:06
It's really good.
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์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„์š”.
08:08
So they may be intermingled, but Iย  think you need to do both both things.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ˜ผํ•ฉ๋  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋ฅผ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:13
Yeah, that's great advice.
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์‘, ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์กฐ์–ธ์ด๋„ค.
08:14
And in reality, that sounds like how we wouldย  learn basically anything or improve any skill.
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋“  ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋“ค๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:20
Because if you're going to the gym, you focusย  on the exercises, you know, but every day youย ย 
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์ฒด์œก๊ด€์— ๊ฐˆ ์˜ˆ์ •์ด๋ผ๋ฉด ์šด๋™์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ . ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋งค์ผ
08:26
might try to push yourself a little bit more,ย  run a little longer or lift heavier weights.
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์กฐ๊ธˆ์”ฉ ๋” ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ , ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ์˜ค๋ž˜ ๋‹ฌ๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ๋” ๋ฌด๊ฑฐ์šด ์ค‘๋Ÿ‰์„ ๋“ค์–ด ์˜ฌ๋ฆฌ๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:32
And it's just always a a gradual process and, andย  basically everything that we do and improving.
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์ด๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ ์ง„์ ์ธ ๊ณผ์ •์ด๋ฉฐ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฐœ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:39
Yeah.
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08:39
Oh, absolutely.
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์‘.
์•„, ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด์ฃ .
08:40
I love the comparison to the gym.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์ฒด์œก๊ด€๊ณผ์˜ ๋น„๊ต๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:41
I think a lot of the English workoutย  practice is like being at a gym, right?
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์˜์–ด ์šด๋™ ์—ฐ์Šต์€ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„ ์ฒด์œก๊ด€์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๋น„์Šทํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
08:46
Repetitions and repetitions.
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๋ฐ˜๋ณต๊ณผ ๋ฐ˜๋ณต.
08:48
But then you increase the weight.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ์ฒด์ค‘์ด ๋Š˜์–ด๋‚ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ดํœ˜
08:49
You're increasing the complexity of theย  vocabulary maybe, but not too much step by step.
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์˜ ๋ณต์žก์„ฑ์ด ์ฆ๊ฐ€ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹จ๊ณ„์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:55
Yeah, exactly.
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์‘, ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ์•ผ.
08:57
And there's this concept with working outย  that if you're, if you're not uncomfortable,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šด๋™์—๋Š” ๋ถˆํŽธํ•จ์„ ๋Š๋ผ์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ 
09:03
if you don't feel the pain, thenย  you're not really working out.
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ํ†ต์ฆ์„ ๋Š๋ผ์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋ฉด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์šด๋™์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฐœ๋…์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:07
You're you're not pushing yourย  body, you're doing things too easy.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ชธ์„ ๋ฐ€๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์ผ์„ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์‰ฝ๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:11
Now, a lot of students, they say that,ย  oh, speaking is so uncomfortable.
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์ด์ œ ๋งŽ์€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ' ์•„, ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋ถˆํŽธํ•˜๋‹ค'๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:17
I feel awkward, I feel embarrassed.
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๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ๋ฌ˜ํ•ด์š”, ์ฐฝํ”ผํ•ด์š”.
09:20
But is that feeling ofย  discomfort or that awkwardness,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ถˆํŽธํ•จ์ธ์ง€ ์–ด์ƒ‰ํ•จ์ธ์ง€,
09:24
do you think that's just aย  natural part of speaking?
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์ž์—ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ํ‘œํ˜„์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
09:27
Or do you think that something is is wrong ifย  you do feel uncomfortable when you're speaking?
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋งํ•  ๋•Œ ๋ถˆํŽธํ•จ์„ ๋Š๋ผ๋ฉด ๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ์ž˜๋ชป๋˜์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
09:34
Such a good question.
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์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:36
I think there are going to be situationsย  where you feel uncomfortable when likeย ย 
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09:41
as you said with any activity, if you'reย  pushing yourself out of your comfort zone,ย ย 
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์–ด๋–ค ํ™œ๋™์„ ํ•˜๋“  ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์…จ๋“ฏ์ด, ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์•ˆ์ „์ง€๋Œ€์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
09:48
sometimes that's the onlyย  way to get better, right?
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๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋งŒ์ด ๋‚˜์•„์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์œ ์ผํ•œ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ผ ๋•Œ ๋ถˆํŽธํ•จ์„ ๋Š๋ผ๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ์žˆ์„ ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:52
As you said with the gym, ifย  you're lifting 5 kilos every day,ย ย 
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์ฒด์œก๊ด€์—์„œ ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋งค์ผ 5kg์„ ๋“ค์–ด ์˜ฌ๋ฆฌ๋ฉด
09:55
you're never going to get stronger.
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๊ฒฐ์ฝ” ๋” ๊ฐ•ํ•ด์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:57
Some point you have to.
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์–ด๋–ค ์ ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ดํ•ด์•ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:59
I wouldn't call it pain, but I would call itย  pushing yourself a little bit and and then,ย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ณ ํ†ต์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฅด์ง€๋Š” ์•Š๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ, ์กฐ๊ธˆ ์ž์‹ ์„ ๋ฐ€์–ด๋ถ™์ด๋ฉด,
10:05
yeah, you're going to feel a bit uncomfortable.
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๋„ค, ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๋ถˆํŽธํ•จ์„ ๋Š๋‚„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:06
But then the more you doย  that, you get relaxed again.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด ํ• ์ˆ˜๋ก ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋งˆ์Œ์ด ํŽธํ•ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:11
And then you go through the cycle again.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹ค์‹œ ์‚ฌ์ดํด์„ ๊ฑฐ์น˜๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:13
Like, like, you know, when you start a new job,ย ย 
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ์ƒˆ ์ผ์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ๋•Œ
10:16
first day you're a bit nervous,ย  you're not comfortable.
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์ฒซ๋‚ ์—๋Š” ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๊ธด์žฅ๋˜๊ณ  ํŽธํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:18
But as you speak to people, get to knowย  a few people, you feel more relaxed.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ช‡ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ์•Œ์•„๊ฐ€๋‹ค ๋ณด๋ฉด ๋งˆ์Œ์ด ํŽธํ•ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:22
Then you meet some more people you don't know,ย  a bit nervous and then you get more comfortable.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ๋งŒ๋‚˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ณ , ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๊ธด์žฅ๋˜๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์ข€ ๋” ํŽธ์•ˆํ•ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:26
So you go through that cycle.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ์ฃผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ฒช์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:29
I think it's, it's perfectly good and fineย  to feel a bit uncomfortable some of the time,ย ย 
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๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—”, ๊ฐ€๋” ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋ถˆํŽธํ•จ์„ ๋Š๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹๊ณ  ๊ดœ์ฐฎ๋‹ค๊ณ 
10:34
but I think when you're, if it's, soย  long as you've got enough situationsย ย 
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์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์˜์–ด์— ํŽธ์•ˆํ•จ์„ ๋Š๋‚„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•˜๋‹ค๋ฉด
10:39
where you feel comfortable withย  English, then that's also good.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์ข‹์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. .
10:43
I mean, I, I think as you've mentioned earlier,ย ย 
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๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ์•ž์„œ ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ
10:46
enjoying your English andย  your study is so important.
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์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์ฆ๊ธฐ๊ณ  ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:51
And you know, you, you want toย  feel relaxed a lot of the time,ย ย 
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์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋งŽ์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ ํŽธ์•ˆํ•จ์„ ๋Š๋ผ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด
10:55
but maybe sometimes you'reย  pushing the envelope a bit.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ํ•œ๊ณ„๋ฅผ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋„˜์–ด์„œ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:59
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
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๋„ค, ์ •๋ง ์˜๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
11:01
And to end off this gym analogy, you don'tย  want to be in constant pain the whole time,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด ์ฒด์œก๊ด€ ๋น„์œ ๋ฅผ ๋๋‚ด๋ ค๋ฉด, ๋‚ด๋‚ด ์ง€์†์ ์ธ ๊ณ ํ†ต์„ ๊ฒช๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ ์ฒด์œก๊ด€
11:07
but at some point during your one hour at theย  gym, you want to push yourself a little bit.
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์—์„œ ํ•œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ ์–ด๋Š ์‹œ์ ์—์„œ๋Š” ์ž์‹ ์„ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ๋ฐ€์–ด๋ถ™์ด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:14
So I love how you talk about that balance.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ ๊ท ํ˜•์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:16
That makes a lot of sense.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งŽ์€ ์˜๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:17
Thank you for sharing that.
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๊ณต์œ ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:20
Now you shared with me before we beganย  this interview that you live in Spain,ย ย 
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์ด์ œ ์ด ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐ๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์— ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์— ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ๊ณต์œ ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ,
11:26
you have learned Spanish for a very long time.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์˜ค๋žซ๋™์•ˆ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:29
So tell us what's it like for you when you goย  out and speak Spanish as a second language,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๋‚˜๊ฐ€์„œ ์›์–ด๋ฏผ๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ œ2์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด๋กœ,
11:37
as your non-native language with native speakers?
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๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ ์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ๋งํ•  ๋•Œ ์–ด๋–ค ๋Š๋‚Œ์ด ๋“œ์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
11:41
Do you have any feelings ofย  nervousness or discomfort?
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์ดˆ์กฐํ•จ์ด๋‚˜ ๋ถˆํŽธํ•จ์„ ๋Š๋ผ์‹œ๋‚˜์š”? ์ž ์‹œ
11:45
Do you have situations where youย  pause and your mind goes blank?
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๋ฉˆ์ถ”๊ณ  ์ •์‹ ์ด ๋ฉํ•ด์ง€๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
11:48
Just share your personal experience and someย ย 
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๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜๊ณผ
11:51
perhaps things that you've doneย  to help you communicate better.
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๋” ๋‚˜์€ ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•œ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ž‘์—…์„ ๊ณต์œ ํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
11:55
Right, well, when I go out into the big Spanishย  world and I, I speak Spanish, I, I'm fairlyย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ , ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋„“์€ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ ์„ธ๊ณ„๋กœ ๋‚˜๊ฐ€์„œ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ํ•  ๋•Œ, ์ €๋Š”
12:02
comfortable most of the time and especially withย  people I know like so I live in the countryside.
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๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ํŽธ์•ˆํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ๊ณ  ํŠนํžˆ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์žˆ์–ด์„œ ์‹œ๊ณจ์— ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:07
So the neighbours around here, weย  say hello everyday, we have a chat,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด ๊ทผ์ฒ˜ ์ด์›ƒ๋“ค์€ ๋งค์ผ ์ธ์‚ฌํ•˜๊ณ , ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋„ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๊ณ ,
12:11
feel perfectly comfortable, goย  to the local shop, I feel fine.
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์™„์ „ ํŽธ์•ˆํ•˜๊ณ , ๋™๋„ค ๊ฐ€๊ฒŒ์— ๊ฐ€๊ณ , ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์ข‹์•„์š”.
12:14
But interestingly, if I go to a new shop,ย  like a new greengrocer's or a new butcher's,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ๊ฒŒ๋„ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ฒญ๊ณผ๋ฌผ ๊ฐ€๊ฒŒ๋‚˜ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ •์œก์ 
12:21
and especially that situation where you're inย  a queue and everybody's waiting and then you'veย ย 
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๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ƒ์ ์— ๊ฐ€๋ฉด ํŠนํžˆ ์ค„์„ ์„œ์„œ ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
12:25
got people behind you and the pressureย  is like the whole world is watching you.
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๋’ค์— ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ๊ณ  ์••๋ฐ•๊ฐ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์€ ์ „์ฒด์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋น„์Šทํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์„ธ์ƒ์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์ง€์ผœ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:29
I do get nervous in Spanish andย  I find that quite difficult.
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์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ธด์žฅ์ด ๋˜๊ณ  ๊ฝค ์–ด๋ ต๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”.
12:36
I find understanding fine, butย  speaking out, sometimes I, I hesitate.
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์ดํ•ดํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋งํ•  ๋•Œ ๊ฐ€๋” ๋จธ๋ญ‡๊ฑฐ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:41
I think, I think what goesย  through my mind is that,ย ย 
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๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—”, ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ
12:45
yeah, it's, it's kind of they're goingย  to know that I'm not a Spanish person.
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์—”, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฑธ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๋‹ค๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
12:51
And then that makes me a bit nervous.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ์ข€ ๋ถˆ์•ˆํ•ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:53
But as a friend said to meย  early on, they said that Keith,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์นœ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ์ดˆ๋ฐ˜์— ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ ์ด Keith๋Š”
12:57
when they look at your face, they knowย  you're not Spanish even before you speak.
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๋ง์„ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์—๋„ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์–ผ๊ตด์„ ๋ณด๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:02
So what are you worried about?
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ๊ฑฑ์ •ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
13:03
I thought, ah, OK.
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๋‚˜๋Š” '์•„, ์•Œ์•˜์–ด'๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ๋‹ค.
13:05
Yeah, that's true.
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๋„ค, ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด์—์š”.
13:06
So I do sometimes get nervous.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ฐ€๋” ๊ธด์žฅ๋˜๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ด์š”. ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ์˜ ํŒŒํ‹ฐ ๋“ฑ
13:08
I tell you what I do when I go into conversations,ย ย 
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๋Œ€ํ™”์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•  ๋•Œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ํ–‰๋™์€
13:10
like at parties with people is againstย  my nature, which is quite introverted.
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์ƒ๋‹นํžˆ ๋‚ด์„ฑ์ ์ธ ์ œ ์„ฑ๊ฒฉ์— ์–ด๊ธ‹๋‚ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:18
I become deliberately extrovert and I just goย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์˜๋„์ ์œผ๋กœ ์™ธํ–ฅ์ ์ด ๋˜์–ด
13:21
and speak to people and startย  controlling the conversation.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€์„œ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ํ†ต์ œํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:24
So I just go in and start talking and talking andย  talking and then let the conversation develop.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€์„œ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ๋˜ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ๋˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•œ ๋‹ค์Œ ๋Œ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ์ „๊ฐœ๋˜๋„๋ก ๋†”๋‘ก๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:31
Because what I noticed is if I don'tย  do that, I end up listening to people.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์€ ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ๋ง์„ ๋“ฃ๊ฒŒ ๋œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:35
The more I listen, the more nervous I get.
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๋“ค์œผ๋ฉด ๋“ค์„์ˆ˜๋ก ๊ธด์žฅ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:38
The less I speak, the less confidence I have.
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๋ง์„ ์ ๊ฒŒํ• ์ˆ˜๋ก ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์ด ์ค„์–ด ๋“ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:42
Whereas if I jump in first withoutย  even thinking and just start speaking,ย ย 
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๋ฐ˜๋ฉด ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์•„๋ฌด ์ƒ๊ฐ ์—†์ด ๋จผ์ € ๋›ฐ์–ด๋“ค์–ด ๋ง์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋ฉด
13:46
I feel a bit more confident.
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์ข€ ๋” ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์ด ์ƒ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
13:48
And then also the other people canย  work out my level of Spanish and go,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๋„ ๋‚ด ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์–ด ์ˆ˜์ค€์„ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๊ณ  ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.ย ย  ๊ทธ
13:52
OK, he's, he's OK, but he's not great.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„์š”. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”.
13:55
We need to adapt a bit to him.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ์—๊ฒŒ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ์ ์‘ํ•  ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:57
And, and I try and do that.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:59
That's my strategy for controllingย  my feelings in a conversation.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋Œ€ํ™”์—์„œ ๋‚ด ๊ฐ์ •์„ ์กฐ์ ˆํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ๋‚˜์˜ ์ „๋žต์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:06
If that makes.
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14:06
Sense.
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด.
๊ฐ๊ฐ.
14:08
Well, that's a great tipย  and congratulations becauseย ย 
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์ข‹์€ ํŒ์ด๊ตฐ์š”. ์ถ•ํ•˜๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:10
that's not easy to do when you're aย  self-proclaimed introvert as well.
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์ž์นญ ๋‚ด์„ฑ์ ์ธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ๋„ ์‰ฝ์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์ผ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:15
To just get out there and start aย  conversation, that takes a lot of bravery.
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๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋‚˜๊ฐ€์„œ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋ ค๋ฉด ๋งŽ์€ ์šฉ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:20
So for all the students watching, Iย  hope you find inspiration in that.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜์‹œ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ ์†์—์„œ ์˜๊ฐ์„ ์–ป์œผ์‹œ๊ธธ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:24
I certainly do.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:25
So great job with that, Keith.
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์ •๋ง ์ž˜ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”, ํ‚ค์Šค.
14:28
Yeah, it's not easy, but practice, it'sย  something I've practiced and I just come to do.
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๋„ค, ์‰ฝ์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ ์—ฐ์Šตํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ์—ฐ์Šตํ•ด ์™”๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋œ ์ผ์ด์—์š”.
14:33
Yeah.
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14:33
And I'm sure the 1st 30 seconds are theย  worst, but then once the conversationย ย 
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์‘.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ฒ˜์Œ 30์ดˆ๊ฐ€ ์ตœ์•…์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ™•์‹  ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ผ๋‹จ ๋Œ€ํ™”๊ฐ€
14:39
is going it's probably like OK you canย  relax and just focus on the conversation.
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์ง„ํ–‰๋˜๋ฉด ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธด์žฅ์„ ํ’€๊ณ  ๋Œ€ํ™”์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:45
Yes, we fear the unknown, don't we?
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๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฏธ์ง€์˜ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‘๋ ค์›Œํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
14:48
And so as soon as you break that barrier.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์žฅ๋ฒฝ์„ ํ—ˆ๋ฌผ์ž๋งˆ์ž.
14:51
Then it's better exactly.
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ๋Š” ๋” ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:54
Now let's shift a little and talkย  about the IELTS because I know thisย ย 
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์ด์ œ ์ข€ ๋” ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๊ฟ” IELTS์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ด ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด IELTS๊ฐ€
14:58
is something that you help your studentsย  prepare for on your YouTube channel.
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YouTube ์ฑ„๋„์—์„œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:03
And I know that there are many students watchingย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ˜„์žฌ ๋˜๋Š” ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์˜ IELTS ์‹œํ—˜์„ ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
15:06
right now who are preparing either forย  their IELTS right now or in the future.
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.
15:13
So let's let's start withย  just a basic IELTS questionย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ IELTS ์งˆ๋ฌธ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜์—ฌ
15:20
and we'll expose students to an IELTS question.
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ IELTS ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ๋…ธ์ถœํ•ด ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:23
So I know probably the firstย  question they might ask youย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ณผ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด IELTS์ธ
15:27
is and all I want you to answer as ifย  this were the IELTS, so I'll ask you.
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๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋Œ€๋‹ตํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ธธ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋Š” ์ „๋ถ€๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฏ€๋กœ ์งˆ๋ฌธํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:32
So Keith, where are you from?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ Keith, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์–ด๋””์„œ ์™”๋‚˜์š”?
15:36
Manchester.
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๋งจ์ฒด์Šคํ„ฐ.
15:38
Manchester, OK, Manchester.
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๋งจ์ฒด์Šคํ„ฐ, ์•Œ์•˜์–ด, ๋งจ์ฒด์Šคํ„ฐ.
15:41
Now, is that actually a good answer for the?
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์ž, ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋‹ค์Œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ข‹์€ ๋Œ€๋‹ต์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
15:44
IELTS.
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IELTS.
15:45
No, sorry.
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์•„๋‹ˆ์š”, ์ฃ„์†กํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:46
That's that's a terrible answer, isn't it?
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์ •๋ง ๋”์ฐํ•œ ๋Œ€๋‹ต์ด๊ตฐ์š”, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
15:48
That's a terrible answer.
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์ •๋ง ๋”์ฐํ•œ ๋Œ€๋‹ต์ด๊ตฐ์š”.
15:50
Yeah.
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15:50
I think the first golden rule of IELTSย  is don't give one word answers, right?
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์‘.
IELTS์˜ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ํ™ฉ๊ธˆ๋ฅ ์€ ํ•œ ๋‹จ์–ด๋กœ ๋‹ตํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
15:56
Like yes or no.
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์˜ˆ ๋˜๋Š” ์•„๋‹ˆ์˜ค์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ.
15:58
A much better answer would be I'm from Manchester,ย ย 
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ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ๋Œ€๋‹ต์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์˜๊ตญ ๋ถ๋ถ€์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋งจ์ฒด์Šคํ„ฐ ์ถœ์‹ ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:02
which is in the north of England,ย  maybe two hours from London by train.
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋Ÿฐ๋˜์—์„œ ๊ธฐ์ฐจ๋กœ 2์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ์ผ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:09
OK, so you have your answer, which ofย  course is where you're from Manchester,ย ย 
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์ข‹์•„์š”, ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‹ต์„ ์–ป์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋งจ์ฒด์Šคํ„ฐ ์ถœ์‹ 
16:15
but then you put it in a full sentence.
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์ด์ง€๋งŒ, ์™„์ „ํ•œ ๋ฌธ์žฅ์œผ๋กœ ํ‘œํ˜„ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:19
But then I really like what you did there.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์„œ ํ•œ ์ผ์„ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:21
You added on a fact about Manchester.
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๋งจ์ฒด์Šคํ„ฐ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:26
So what's the strategy there?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ์–ด๋–ค ์ „๋žต์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
16:27
You take your simple answer, you put it in a fullย  sentence, and then what do you do after that?
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๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•œ ๋Œ€๋‹ต์„ ๋ฐ›์•„ ์™„์ „ํ•œ ๋ฌธ์žฅ์œผ๋กœ ํ‘œํ˜„ํ•œ ๋‹ค์Œ ๊ทธ ํ›„์—๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
16:35
You've hit the nail on the head.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋จธ๋ฆฌ์— ๋ชป์„ ๋ฐ•์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:37
You, you, you take your answer, you make itย  into a sentence and then you add an extra bitย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ , ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‹ต๋ณ€์„ ๋ฐ›์•„ ๋ฌธ์žฅ์œผ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“  ๋‹ค์Œ
16:41
of information, something that maybe isย  natural that you might say to somebody.
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์—๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž์—ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:48
And, and yeah, you, you keep it short andย  concise because at the beginning of the test,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋„ค, ์งง๊ณ  ๊ฐ„๊ฒฐํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ํŒŒํŠธ 1์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฅด๋Š” ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์‹œ์ž‘๋  ๋•Œ
16:52
what they call Part 1, you wantย  like two or three sentence answers.
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๋‘์„ธ ๋ฌธ์žฅ์˜ ๋‹ต๋ณ€์„ ์›ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:57
You don't, you don't want to give the historyย  of Manchester right and bore the examiner.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋งจ์ฒด์Šคํ„ฐ์˜ ์—ญ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•˜์—ฌ ์‹ฌ์‚ฌ๊ด€์„ ์ง€๋ฃจํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:02
But just, yeah, develop yourย  answer a little bit like that.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋„ค, ๋Œ€๋‹ต์„ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ฐœ์ „์‹œ์ผœ ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
17:06
OK.
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17:06
And what is another questionย  they would ask you in Part 1?
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์ข‹์•„์š”.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํŒŒํŠธ 1์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ณผ ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
17:11
So they might ask you, doย  you work or do you study?
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ' ์ผํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฌผ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:15
OK, OK, well let's let's see how you answerย  this for the IELTS and everyone think aboutย ย 
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์ข‹์•„, ์ข‹์•„, ์ด์ œ IELTS์—์„œ ์ด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋‹ตํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ๋ด…์‹œ๋‹ค. ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€
17:22
how you would answer and then follow tips orย  follow Keith's tips and follow the structureย ย 
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์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋‹ตํ• ์ง€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ํŒ์„ ๋”ฐ๋ฅด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ Keith์˜ ํŒ์„ ๋”ฐ๋ฅด๊ณ 
17:29
that he uses after to practice your answer.
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๋‹ต์•ˆ์„ ์—ฐ์Šตํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ตฌ์กฐ๋ฅผ ๋”ฐ๋ฅด์„ธ์š”.
17:31
OK, Keith, so do you work or do you study?
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์ข‹์•„์š”, Keith, ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๊ณต๋ถ€๋ฅผ ํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
17:36
Well, I work, I'm a full time teacher,ย ย 
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์ €๋Š” ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ  ์ „์ž„ ๊ต์‚ฌ์ด๋ฉฐย ย  ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•˜๋Š” ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„์˜
17:40
and I give online lessons to studentsย  around the world who want to learn.
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
17:45
English.
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์˜์–ด.
17:47
Oh, very nice.
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์•„, ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„์š”.
17:48
So your your answer is of courseย  I work and then you put that inย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋Œ€๋‹ต์€ ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. I work์ด๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„
17:52
your full sentence and thenย  you provide of an an add on.
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์ „์ฒด ๋ฌธ์žฅ์— ๋„ฃ์€ ๋‹ค์Œ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:58
What would you call that?
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๊ทธ๊ฑธ ๋ญ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”?
17:59
An add on I?
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๋‚˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ถ”๊ฐ€?
18:00
Like that, an add on.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์ถ”๊ฐ€๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:01
That's very nice.
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์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์€๋ฐ์š”.
18:03
Yes, I think I'll steal that if I can add on.
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๋„ค, ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ํ›”์น  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
18:07
I call it like extraย  information but I prefer add on.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด๋ฅผ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ณด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฅด์ง€ ๋งŒ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์„ ํ˜ธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:09
Yeah.
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์‘.
18:10
You know, I have to be honest, Keith, Iย  find that this strategy would be reallyย ย 
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์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ์†”์งํžˆ ๋งํ•ด์„œ Keith, ์ €๋Š” ์ด ์ „๋žต์ด ์›์–ด๋ฏผ์—๊ฒŒ๋„ ์ •๋ง ๋„์›€์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:16
helpful for even native speakers because atย  the end of the day, I'll go down and I'll,ย ย 
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ํ•˜๋ฃจ๊ฐ€ ๋๋‚˜๋ฉด ์ €๋Š” ๋‚ด๋ ค๊ฐ€์„œ
18:23
my husband and I usually have a coffee aroundย  4:00 and I'll say, oh, so how was your day?
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๋‚จํŽธ๊ณผ ๋ณดํ†ต ์ปคํ”ผ๋ฅผ ๋งˆ์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 4์‹œ์ฏค ๋˜๋ฉด ์ œ๊ฐ€ '์•„, ์˜ค๋Š˜์€ ์–ด๋• ๋‚˜์š”?'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:29
And guess what?
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18:29
He usually.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์ถ”์ธกํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
๊ทธ๋Š” ๋ณดํ†ต.
18:30
Says fine.
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๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„์š”.
18:32
It was good, fine, good, and it's.
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์ข‹์•˜์–ด, ์ข‹์•˜์–ด, ์ข‹์•˜์–ด.
18:35
Like and you're like, come on.
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์ข‹์•„์š”์™€ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์–ด์„œ์š”.
18:38
We haven't seen each other inย  eight hours and all I get is good.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” 8์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ ์„œ๋กœ๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ๊ณ  ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์–ป์€ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ข‹์€ ๊ฒƒ๋ฟ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:43
So.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ.
18:44
Let's imagine, let's imagine that you're you'reย  a student at this could be for the IELTS orย ย 
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์ƒ์ƒํ•ด ๋ด…์‹œ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํ•™์ƒ์ด๊ณ  IELTS๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ 
18:50
even just socially and someone asked you aย  simple question like how was your weekend?
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์‹ฌ์ง€์–ด ์‚ฌํšŒ์ ์œผ๋กœ๋„ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์ฃผ๋ง์€ ์–ด๋• ๋‚˜์š”?์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ์ƒํ•ด ๋ด…์‹œ๋‹ค.
18:56
What would you say could be aย  good answer to that question?
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๊ทธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ข‹์€ ๋Œ€๋‹ต์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
19:01
I had a really good weekend actually.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์ฃผ๋ง์„ ๋ณด๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:03
I was at home on Saturday.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ํ† ์š”์ผ์— ์ง‘์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค.
19:05
I didn't do very much but actuallyย  on Sunday I washed the car 'cause itย ย 
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๋ณ„๋กœ ํ•œ ๊ฑด ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ผ์š”์ผ์— ์„ธ์ฐจ๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ์ฐจ๊ฐ€
19:09
was getting so dirty and now it's speak and span.
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋”๋Ÿฌ์›Œ์ ธ์„œ ์ด์ œ ๋ง์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
19:16
Oh, I love that.
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์•„, ์ •๋ง ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“ค์–ด์š”.
19:18
And everyone think of conversations you even haveย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
19:20
in your native language and how youย  might just answer very short answers.
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๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๋กœ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋Š” ๋Œ€ํ™”์™€ ๋งค์šฐ ์งง์€ ๋‹ต๋ณ€์— ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋Œ€๋‹ตํ• ์ง€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:26
But how can you have a conversationย  with someone when they just say good?
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ข‹์€ ๋ง๋งŒ ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆŒ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
19:31
So again, Keith, do you want toย  walk students through maybe someย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ Keith ์”จ, ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋” ์™„์ „ํ•˜๊ณ  ์™„์ „ํ•œ ๋‹ต๋ณ€์„
19:35
strategies that they can use to provideย  these fuller, more complete answers?
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์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ „๋žต์„ ์•ˆ๋‚ดํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ?
19:42
Yeah, I I think I mean, before I do, I just,ย ย 
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๋„ค, ์ œ ๋ง์€, ๊ทธ ์ „์—
19:44
I'm going to add to what you saidย  because it's really important.
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๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๋‚ด์šฉ์ด ์ •๋ง ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:46
I think that some students think IELTS is like aย ย 
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IELTS๋ฅผ ํŠน๋ณ„ํ•œ ์˜์–ด๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ์ •์‹ ํ•™์—… ์‹œํ—˜๊ณผ ๊ฐ™๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค๋„ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”
19:50
formal academic exam thatย  you need special English.
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.
19:53
It's not it's a test ofย  your natural spoken English.
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์ž์—ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ์˜์–ด ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:57
So you just want to speak naturally as you wouldย  to a friend over coffee or as you would in inย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ปคํ”ผ๋ฅผ ๋งˆ์‹œ๋ฉด์„œ ์นœ๊ตฌ์—๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋“ฏ์ด,
20:03
any kind of a meeting, somebody you don'tย  know at a party, the same kind of language.
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์–ด๋–ค ๋ชจ์ž„์—์„œ๋“ ์ง€, ํŒŒํ‹ฐ์—์„œ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋“ฏ์ด, ๊ฐ™์€ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ์ž์—ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์„ ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:09
And as you said, Jennifer, the idea of.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด ์ œ๋‹ˆํผ๋Š” ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ์–ป์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:12
Communicating at work or at a partyย  socially, make it easy for people, right?
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์ง์žฅ์ด๋‚˜ ํŒŒํ‹ฐ์—์„œ ์‚ฌ๊ต์ ์œผ๋กœ ์†Œํ†ตํ•˜๋ฉด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์‰ฝ๊ฒŒ ์†Œํ†ตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒ ์ฃ ?
20:18
Give, give them a bit more language, somethingย  that they or ideas that they can talk about.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ข€ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์–ธ์–ด, ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
20:23
And I think it's the same with the IELTS test.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  IELTS ์‹œํ—˜๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
20:26
So I think as as students developing yourย  answer, there are three parts to IELTS in Part 1.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ๋‹ต๋ณ€์„ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณผ์ •์—์„œ ํŒŒํŠธ 1์˜ IELTS๋Š” ์„ธ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์œผ๋กœ ๊ตฌ์„ฑ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:31
Give short answers, maybe two to three sentences.
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์งง์€ ๋‹ต๋ณ€(๋‘์„ธ ๋ฌธ์žฅ ์ •๋„)์„ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
20:35
Be direct, right?
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์ง์ ‘์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งํ•˜์„ธ์š”, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
20:38
If they say where are you from, don'tย  make it a mystery and make them guess.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์–ด๋”” ์ถœ์‹ ์ธ์ง€ ๋งํ•˜๋ฉด, ์ˆ˜์ˆ˜๊ป˜๋ผ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ  ์ถ”์ธกํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”.
20:42
Just say dum, I'm from Newย  Delhi and then add a bit more.
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๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋ค, ์ €๋Š” ๋‰ด๋ธ๋ฆฌ ์ถœ์‹ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•œ ๋‹ค์Œ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
20:47
I think what's more challengingย  is is in part three of the test,ย ย 
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๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๋” ์–ด๋ ค์šด ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ์˜ 3๋ถ€์—์„œ
20:53
it becomes a deeper conversation.
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๋” ๊นŠ์€ ๋Œ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:55
So it's more abstract.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋” ์ถ”์ƒ์ ์ด๋‹ค.
20:56
They may ask you about the developmentย  of cities in the last 20 years.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ง€๋‚œ 20๋…„๊ฐ„ ๋„์‹œ์˜ ๋ฐœ์ „์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ์งˆ๋ฌธํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:01
You know, how have they changed?
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์•Œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ณ€ํ–ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
21:03
And there you, you want to not onlyย  answer and develop your answer,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋Œ€๋‹ตํ•˜๊ณ  ๋Œ€๋‹ต์„ ๋ฐœ์ „์‹œํ‚ค๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์›ํ• 
21:08
but I think that my it would be to giveย  an example and through your example,ย ย 
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๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋ฉฐ ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด
21:13
you can show off more languageย  and give a longer answer.
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๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ๊ณ  ๋” ๊ธด ๋Œ€๋‹ต์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:17
So I don't know if you're talking about citiesย  developing, you can say nowadays cities have aย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋„์‹œ ๋ฐœ์ „์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹œ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์š”์ฆ˜ ๋„์‹œ์—๋Š”
21:21
lot of bus lanes, especially for the busย  and they have digitalised bus schedules.
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ํŠนํžˆ ๋ฒ„์Šค ์ „์šฉ ์ฐจ์„ ์ด ๋งŽ๊ณ  ๋ฒ„์Šค ์‹œ๊ฐ„ํ‘œ๊ฐ€ ๋””์ง€ํ„ธํ™”๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:28
For example, in New York they've got and you,ย ย 
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ๋‰ด์š•์—์„œ๋Š”
21:33
you know, you go into the details of aย  specific example that can be a strategy.
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์ „๋žต์ด ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:38
Yeah, that's a really great strategy.
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์‘, ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์ „๋žต์ด๋„ค.
21:40
And like we were talking about, theย  strategy won't just help you for your IELTS.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•ž์„œ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์ด ์ „๋žต์€ IELTS์—๋งŒ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:45
So this isn't wasted time just to get a pieceย  of paper that says you passed your IELTS.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ IELTS์— ํ•ฉ๊ฒฉํ–ˆ์Œ์„ ์•Œ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ข…์ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋‚ญ๋น„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
21:50
This is how strategies to helpย  you communicate in meetings orย ย 
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ์ค€ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ํšŒ์˜๋‚˜
21:55
parties or even with your husbandย  and your family, like I just gave toย ย 
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ํŒŒํ‹ฐ, ์‹ฌ์ง€์–ด ๋‚จํŽธ ์ด๋‚˜ ๊ฐ€์กฑ๊ณผ์˜ ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต์— ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๋Š” ์ „๋žต์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:00
make more meaningful conversation orย  more connection with people as well.
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๋” ์˜๋ฏธ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๊ด€๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๋งบ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
22:07
Yeah, it's all about communication.
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์‘, ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต์ด ์ „๋ถ€์•ผ.
22:08
The more you focus on communication, the better.
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์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต์— ๋” ์ง‘์ค‘ํ• ์ˆ˜๋ก ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:11
With IELTS, don't get wrappedย  up in fancy advanced vocabulary.
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IELTS๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ณ ๊ธ‰ ๊ณ ๊ธ‰ ์–ดํœ˜์— ์–ฝ๋งค์ด์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”.
22:16
Just focus on communication as muchย  as you can and make it natural.
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์ตœ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ž์—ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ฒŒ ์†Œํ†ตํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
22:22
Now, so on your alts though, so they'reย  not judging you based on oh, you mustย ย 
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์ž, ์ด์ œ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋Œ€์•ˆ์—์„œ๋Š” ์˜ค,
22:28
use the past perfect in order to get a high score.
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๋†’์€ ์ ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์–ป์œผ๋ ค๋ฉด ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ ์™„๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:32
It's just if it naturally, the sentenceย  structure requires the past perfect,ย ย 
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๋‹น์—ฐํ•˜๊ฒŒ๋„ ๋ฌธ์žฅ ๊ตฌ์กฐ์— ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ ์™„๋ฃŒํ˜•์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๊ณ 
22:36
you use it, but you don't have to useย  certain grammar or certain vocabulary.
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์ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋ฉด ๋˜์ง€๋งŒ ํŠน์ • ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์ด๋‚˜ ํŠน์ • ์–ดํœ˜๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ํ•„์š”๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:42
It's just natural communication.
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๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์ž์—ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต์ด์—์š”.
22:44
That is a very, very, veryย  good way of expressing it.
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์•„์ฃผ ์•„์ฃผ ์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์€ ํ‘œํ˜„ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด๋„ค์š”.
22:48
Yes, it it's very much thatย  you to get a high score.
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๋„ค, ๋†’์€ ์ ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›๊ฒŒ ๋˜์–ด ์ •๋ง ๋‹คํ–‰์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:52
If you look at the examiner's description ofย  a high score, it is for example, a band 8.
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์‹œํ—˜๊ด€์˜ ๋†’์€ ์ ์ˆ˜ ์„ค๋ช…์„ ๋ณด๋ฉด ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ๋ฐด๋“œ 8์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:57
Use a wide range of simple and complexย  grammar, but it has to be situation specific.
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๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ณต์žกํ•œ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์„ โ€‹โ€‹๊ด‘๋ฒ”์œ„ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋˜ ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋‹ฌ๋ผ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:06
So if you're just rolling off theย  pass perfect without it being theย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ
23:10
correct tense at that time, then it's a big cross.
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๊ทธ ๋‹น์‹œ ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅธ ์‹œ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ ์ƒํƒœ์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ํ†ต๊ณผ ์™„๋ฒฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ตด๋Ÿฌ๊ฐ„๋‹ค๋ฉด ํฐ ์‹ญ์ž๊ฐ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:14
But if you're using it because it's the rightย  moment for that situation to use it, it's great.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ๋”ฑ ๋งž๋Š” ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์ด๋ผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:20
But if you never use the past perfect,ย  you can still get a band 9, the top score.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ ์™„๋ฃŒํ˜•์„ ์ „ํ˜€ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋”๋ผ๋„ ์ตœ๊ณ  ์ ์ˆ˜์ธ ๋ฐด๋“œ 9๋ฅผ ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:25
They're not ticking off all the different tenses.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ชจ๋“  ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‹œ์ œ๋ฅผ ํ‘œ์‹œํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:27
It's it's situation specific, you know?
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์ƒํ™ฉ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์‹œ์ฃ ?
23:30
So if you're talking about an event thatย  happened before something in the past,ย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ์— ์ผ์–ด๋‚œ ์ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ,
23:34
voila, you need your past perfect.
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์งœ์ž”, ๊ณผ๊ฑฐ์™„๋ฃŒ๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:38
But if you're just trying to squeezeย  it in somehow, it doesn't work.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ๋“  ๊ฝ‰ ์ฅ์–ด์งœ๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๋ฉด ์†Œ์šฉ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:44
Well, I hope that brings someย  relief to students and that,ย ย 
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ์•ˆ๋„๊ฐ์„ ๊ฐ€์ ธ๋‹ค์ฃผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
23:47
you know, it is just natural communication.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ž์—ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:51
So thank you for sharing that, Keith.
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๊ณต์œ ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, Keith.
23:52
And I know your channel has manyย  resources to help students prepare.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ์ฑ„๋„์—๋Š” ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์˜ ์ค€๋น„์— ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๋Š” ๋ฆฌ์†Œ์Šค๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:56
So for, of course, all my students can checkย  all those individual lessons and resources out.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋ฌผ๋ก  ๋ชจ๋“  ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฐœ๋ณ„ ์ˆ˜์—…๊ณผ ๋ฆฌ์†Œ์Šค๋ฅผ ํ™•์ธํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:03
Now I want to ask you just more generally,ย ย 
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์ด์ œ ์ข€ ๋” ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฌป๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:05
whether it's for the IL, it's aย  job interview, a presentation.
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IL์ธ์ง€, ์ทจ์—… ๋ฉด์ ‘์ธ์ง€, ํ”„๋ ˆ์  ํ…Œ์ด์…˜์ธ์ง€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:09
Do you have any specific strategies thatย  students can use to practice and prepare?
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์—ฐ์Šตํ•˜๊ณ  ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ์ „๋žต์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
24:15
Especially since students are probablyย  thinking I don't have anyone to practice with.
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ํŠนํžˆ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์€ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ™์ด ์—ฐ์Šตํ•  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์—†๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:21
I live in a country where there areย  no native speakers, so how can theseย ย 
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์ €๋Š” ์›์–ด๋ฏผ์ด ์—†๋Š” ๋‚˜๋ผ์— ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ , ๊ฐ™์ด ์—ฐ์Šตํ•  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์—†๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ด
24:26
students practice their speaking skills ifย  they don't have anyone to practice with?
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ์—ฐ์Šต์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š” ?
24:31
Do you have any specific advice or resources?
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๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ์กฐ์–ธ์ด๋‚˜ ๋ฆฌ์†Œ์Šค๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
24:35
Sure.
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24:35
I think there are two different things you can do.
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ํ™•์‹ ํ•˜๋Š”. ๋‚˜๋Š”
๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ผ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:37
One is you can you can practiceย  on your own where you're kind ofย ย 
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ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š”
24:40
listening and repeating and tryย  and make up different sentences.
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๋“ฃ๊ณ , ๋ฐ˜๋ณตํ•˜๊ณ , ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๋ฌธ์žฅ์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด ๋ณด๋Š” ๋“ฑ ์Šค์Šค๋กœ ์—ฐ์Šตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:46
Actually in my, this is going toย  sound like an advert, but it's not.
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์‚ฌ์‹ค ๋‚ด ์ž…์žฅ์—์„œ๋Š” ์ด ๋ง์ด ๊ด‘๊ณ ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋“ค๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:49
In my online courses, we use something calledย  the Speaking Success System and it's a seriesย ย 
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์ œ ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ ๊ฐ•์ขŒ์—์„œ๋Š” ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ์„ฑ๊ณต ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:53
of videos with me where I talk you through usingย  different grammar and vocabulary and getting youย ย 
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์ €์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ๋ จ์˜ ๋™์˜์ƒ์—์„œ๋Š” ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•๊ณผ ์–ดํœ˜๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ
24:59
to change the word, change the tense and and makeย  it slightly different so that you're practicing.
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๋‹จ์–ด์™€ ์‹œ์ œ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๊พธ๊ณ  ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๋‹ค๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ์•Œ๋ ค๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์—ฐ์Šต ์ค‘์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:04
But with a video, you're just repeating, butย  you're thinking about the words that you're using.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ๋ณด๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋ฐ˜๋ณตํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์ž์‹ ์ด ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๋‹จ์–ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:10
And it's a great, it's a really niceย  way to practice and you can use thatย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•˜๊ณ  ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์—ฐ์Šต ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด๋ฉฐ ์ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ
25:13
to build up your confidence in your language.
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์–ธ์–ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์„ ํ‚ค์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:16
On the other hand, you also, if you can practiceย  with other people, because when you're speakingย ย 
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๋ฐ˜๋ฉด์— ๋‹น์‹ ๋„ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ์—ฐ์Šตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋Œ€ํ™”์—์„œ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
25:22
in conversation, that's where you've gotย  the etiquettes of communication, right?
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์†Œํ†ต์˜ ์˜ˆ์ ˆ๋„ ๊ฐ–์ถ”๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ฒ ์ฃ ?
25:28
How do you interrupt people?
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ฐฉํ•ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
25:30
How do you take turns?
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์ฐจ๋ก€๋Œ€๋กœ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
25:32
How do you listen?
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25:32
How do you ask all of that and then practice that?
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์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋“ฃ๋‚˜์š”? ๊ทธ
๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ณด๊ณ  ์—ฐ์Šตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
25:39
I think I don't know, I mean, this sounds a bitย  harsh, but nowadays there's no excuses, right?
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์ข€ ๊ฐ€ํ˜นํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋“ค๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ ์š”์ฆ˜์€ ๋ณ€๋ช…์˜ ์—ฌ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์—†์ž–์•„์š”?
25:44
If you go on the Internet, there are soย  many places you can connect with other,ย ย 
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์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท์— ์ ‘์†ํ•˜๋ฉด
25:49
maybe not native speakers, but other peopleย  practising and speaking from around the world.
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์›์–ด๋ฏผ์ด ์•„๋‹ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„์—์„œ ์—ฐ์Šตํ•˜๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์žฅ์†Œ๊ฐ€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:55
There are a lot of them are free as well.
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๋ฌด๋ฃŒ์ธ ๊ฒƒ๋„ ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:57
And I know sometimes they're challengingย  that it's not the perfect experience,ย ย 
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๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ์™„๋ฒฝํ•œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ์„œ ์–ด๋ ค์›€์„ ๊ฒช๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ,
26:02
but often it's better than nothing.
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์•„๋ฌด๊ฒƒ๋„ ์—†๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ๋‚˜์€ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:04
And even if it doesn't work the first time,ย  I think you need to keep trying and tryingย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ฒ˜์Œ์— ํšจ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ์—†๋”๋ผ๋„ ๊ณ„์† ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅ
26:08
and try again because you may have one badย  experience where somebody wasn't very friendly,ย ย 
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ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋‹ค์‹œ ์‹œ๋„ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ์นœ์ ˆํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๋‚˜์œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:14
but it's just once and, you know, maybeย  try different areas, different places.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ง€์—ญ, ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์žฅ์†Œ.
26:19
But I think, yeah, get on the Internet andย  push yourself out of your comfort zone, right?
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท์— ์ ‘์†ํ•ด์„œ ์•ˆ์ „์ง€๋Œ€์—์„œ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
26:27
Often that's the block.
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์ข…์ข… ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ธ”๋ก์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:28
It's like, Oh my God, I'm too nervous.
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๋ง™์†Œ์‚ฌ, ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ธด์žฅ๋ผ์š”.
26:29
I can't do that.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:30
I can't speak to anybody.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์•„๋ฌด์—๊ฒŒ๋„ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:33
Just try.
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26:33
Just try once and then that's it.
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๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์‹œ๋„ํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ๋งŒ ์‹œ๋„ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:35
Never again.
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๋‹ค์‹œ๋Š”.
26:36
But then try again and try again and try again.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์‹œ๋„ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋˜ ์‹œ๋„ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋˜ ์‹œ๋„ํ•ด๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
26:39
Keep.
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26:39
Keep going.
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์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๋‹ค.
๊ณ„์†ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
26:41
Yeah, absolutely.
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์‘, ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด์ง€.
26:42
I love how you said that andย  and I agree it's not harsh.
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๊ทธ ๋ง์”€์ด ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“ค๊ณ , ๊ทธ ๋ง์ด ๊ฐ€ํ˜นํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ฐ์—๋„ ๋™์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ
26:46
With the resources we haveย  today, there are no excuses.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž์›์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ๋ณ€๋ช…์˜ ์—ฌ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:51
So get out there and like you said,ย  just push yourself a little bit as well.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ๋ฐ–์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜๊ฐ€์„œ ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์ž์‹ ๋„ ์กฐ๊ธˆ๋งŒ ํž˜๋‚ด์„ธ์š”.
26:56
Now, you've already providedย  so many tips and resources,ย ย 
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์ด์ œ ๊ท€ํ•˜๋Š” ์ด๋ฏธ ์ˆ˜๋งŽ์€ ํŒ๊ณผ ๋ฆฌ์†Œ์Šค๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜์…จ๊ณ 
27:01
and your channel is filled with them as well.
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๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ์ฑ„๋„๋„ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ •๋ณด๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋“ ์ฐจ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:03
But Keith, just to make thisย  very practical for my students,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ Keith, ์ œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ๋งค์šฐ ์‹ค์šฉ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด,
27:07
if my students were only to doย  one thing, just one thing thisย ย 
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ์ œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์ด๋ฒˆ
27:11
week to improve their English speakingย  skills, what should that one thing be?
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์ฃผ์— ์˜์–ด ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋‹จ ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋งŒ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด , ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด์–ด์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”?
27:20
I'm tempted to say go to my YouTube channelย  English Speaking success but I won't.
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๋‚ด YouTube ์ฑ„๋„์— ๊ฐ€์„œ ์˜์–ด ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ์„ฑ๊ณต์„ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:27
No, you absolutely can and should.
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์•„๋‹ˆ์š”, ๋ฐ˜๋“œ์‹œ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ  ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:28
Your channel is and should andย  that's why I have you here.
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๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ์ฑ„๋„์€ ๊ทธ๋ž˜์•ผ ํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ๊ท€ํ•˜๋ฅผ ๋ชจ์‹  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:33
I'm thinking of something more more long term.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์ข€ ๋” ์žฅ๊ธฐ์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:35
I think what's really importantย  is making a plan, right?
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์ •๋ง ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฑด ๊ณ„ํš์„ ์„ธ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๊ฒ ์ฃ ?
27:39
If you if you want to do one thing todayย  to help your speaking in the next month,ย ย 
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๋‹ค์Œ ๋‹ฌ์— ์—ฐ์„คํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๋Š” ์ผ์„ ์˜ค๋Š˜ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๋ฉด
27:43
sit down and make a very simpleย  plan of how you're going to do that.
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์•‰์•„์„œ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€ ์•„์ฃผ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•œ ๊ณ„ํš์„ ์„ธ์šฐ์„ธ์š”.
27:47
Think about how many days aย  week you can study or practice.
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์ผ์ฃผ์ผ์— ๋ฉฐ์น  ๋™์•ˆ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์—ฐ์Šตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
27:51
Is it an hour each time or half an hour?
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๋งค๋ฒˆ ํ•œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ธ๊ฐ€์š”, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด 30๋ถ„์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
27:54
Which days and just and what time, I mean reallyย  detail, just write down the day and the time.
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์–ด๋Š ์š”์ผ, ๋ช‡ ์‹œ, ์ •๋ง ์„ธ๋ถ€์ ์ธ ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์š”์ผ๊ณผ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์ ์–ด๋‘์„ธ์š”.
27:59
This is what I'm going to do and go intoย  detail about what you're going to do.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•  ์ผ์ด๊ณ  ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ์ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:04
So rather than saying I'll watch a YouTube videoย  is say I'm going to watch this YouTube videoย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ๋ณธ๋‹ค๊ธฐ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ์ด YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์‹œ์ฒญ
28:09
and I'm going to practice repeating or practiceย  shadowing and have that plan just for two weeks.
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ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ฐ˜๋ณต ์—ฐ์Šต์ด๋‚˜ ์„€๋„์ž‰ ์—ฐ์Šต์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  2์ฃผ ๋™์•ˆ๋งŒ ๊ทธ ๊ณ„ํš์„ ์„ธ์šฐ๊ฒ ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:15
Just make a simple plan for two weeks.
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2์ฃผ ๋™์•ˆ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•œ ๊ณ„ํš์„ ์„ธ์šฐ์„ธ์š”.
28:17
And then you can review after two weeks.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  2์ฃผ ํ›„์— ๊ฒ€ํ† ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:19
Because I know what happens.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด๋‹ค.
28:20
And this happens to me if I makeย  a very simple plan and think, OK,ย ย 
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์•„์ฃผ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•œ ๊ณ„ํš์„ ์„ธ์šฐ๊ณ  '์ข‹์•„,
28:24
I'll decide what to do when it's time for class.
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์ˆ˜์—… ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๋˜๋ฉด ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ• ์ง€ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๊ฒ ๋‹ค'๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋ฉด ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:27
I sit down for my study time and Iย  think, right, what am I going to do?
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๊ณต๋ถ€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์•‰์•„์„œ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. '๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ญ˜ ํ• ๊นŒ?
28:31
And you start searching YouTube and thenย  20 minutes later you haven't started.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  YouTube ๊ฒ€์ƒ‰์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•œ ํ›„ 20๋ถ„์ด ์ง€๋‚˜๋„ ๊ฒ€์ƒ‰์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:36
And, and so if you get prepared beforehand,ย  even half an hour, making your plan with detail,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ฏธ๋ฆฌ ์ค€๋น„๋ฅผ ํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด, 30๋ถ„์ด๋ผ๋„ ์„ธ์„ธํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ณ„ํš์„ ์„ธ์šฐ๊ณ ,
28:43
once you go into your plan and it'sย  time to study, study English, boom,ย ย 
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์ผ๋‹จ ๊ณ„ํš์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€์„œ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•  ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๋˜๋ฉด, ์˜์–ด ๊ณต๋ถ€๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ , ๋ถ,
28:47
you go straight in, make the use ofย  that time and, and it's much better.
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๋ฐ”๋กœ ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํ™œ์šฉํ•˜๊ณ  , ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋‚˜์•„์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:53
I completely agree with that excellent advice.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์กฐ์–ธ์— ์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋™์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:56
And just to bring it full circle,ย  I'll bring back our gym analogy.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๋ฅผ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ฒด์œก๊ด€ ๋น„์œ ๋ฅผ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜ค๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:02
Because if you were to go to theย  gym but you didn't have a plan,ย ย 
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์ฒด์œก๊ด€์— ๊ฐ€๋ ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ๊ณ„ํš์ด ์—†์—ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
29:06
you walk in, there's all this equipment,ย  you'll probably waste so much time justย ย 
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๋ชจ๋“  ์žฅ๋น„๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ–์ถฐ์ ธ ์žˆ์–ด์„œ
29:11
trying to decide what to do, how long youย  should do it, what weight you should use.
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๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ์ง€, ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์˜ค๋žซ๋™์•ˆ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ์ง€ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋‚ญ๋น„ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด๋–ค ๋ฌด๊ฒŒ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€.
29:18
But if you know exactly what you'reย  going to do when you get there,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋„์ฐฉํ•ด์„œ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ• ์ง€ ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ์•ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
29:22
it will save you time andย  you'll get better results.
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์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์ ˆ์•ฝํ•˜๊ณ  ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:26
So I completely agree with that.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋ง์— ์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋™์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:28
And I love how you you tied it back to the gym.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฒด์œก๊ด€์— ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ฌถ์€ ๋ฐฉ์‹์ด ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:31
Well done.
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29:31
Nice.
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์ž˜ํ•˜์…จ์–ด์š”.
๋ฉ‹์ง„.
29:33
Somehow it just naturally came back, I felt.
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์–ด์ฉ์ง€ ์ž์—ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ฒŒ ๋Œ์•„์˜จ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•˜์–ด์š”.
29:37
Thank you so much for being here.
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์žˆ์–ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:39
And everyone please go to Keith's channel.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹ค๋“ค Keith ์ฑ„๋„๋กœ ๋†€๋Ÿฌ์˜ค์„ธ์š”. IELTS์™€ ์˜์–ด์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ์˜์—ญ์„
29:42
It's an amazing resource to help you improve forย  your IELTS and all areas of your English as well.
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ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๋Š” ๋†€๋ผ์šด ๋ฆฌ์†Œ์Šค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
29:47
So thank you again so muchย  for being here today, Keith.
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์˜ค๋Š˜ ์ด ์ž๋ฆฌ์— ์ฐธ์„ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, Keith.
29:50
My pleasure.
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29:50
Thank you for inviting me, Jennifer.
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์ฒœ๋งŒ์—์š”.
์ดˆ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ์ œ๋‹ˆํผ.
29:52
Thank you guys for watching.
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์‹œ์ฒญํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:53
Really do appreciate it and maybeย  our paths will cross in the future.
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์ง„์‹ฌ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋ฉฐ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ธธ์€ ๊ต์ฐจํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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