Conflict: Office English episode 8

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋œ ์ž๋ง‰์€ ๊ธฐ๊ณ„ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

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Sometimes at work we disagree with our colleagues.
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๋•Œ๋•Œ๋กœ ์ง์žฅ์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋™๋ฃŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด ๋‹ค๋ฅผ ๋•Œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:03
I definitely think that everyone'sย  ideas are worth something and it'sย ย 
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์ €๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์น˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋ฉฐ
00:08
definitely worth disagreeing with your peers.
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๋™๋ฃŒ์™€ ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ๋‹ฌ๋ฆฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๊ฐ€์น˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:11
Generally, I don't like confrontation andย  sometimes I worry if I disagree with someone,ย ย 
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์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋Œ€๊ฒฐ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉฐ ๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์˜ ์˜๊ฒฌ์— ๋™์˜ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด
00:18
they might think I'm criticising them as a person.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ž์‹ ์„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์œผ๋กœ์„œ ๋น„๋‚œํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑฑ์ •์ด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ถŒ์œ„๋ฅผ
00:22
There's this idea that people withย  authority always have things right,ย ย 
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๊ฐ€์ง„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ์˜ณ์€ ์ผ์„ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:27
you know, impostor syndrome.
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์‚ฌ๊ธฐ๊พผ ์ฆํ›„๊ตฐ์ด์ฃ .
00:29
Today on Office English, we're talking about howย ย 
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์˜ค๋Š˜ Office English์—์„œ๋Š”
00:31
you can keep things professionalย  when disagreements happen at work.
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์ง์žฅ์—์„œ ์˜๊ฒฌ ์ฐจ์ด๊ฐ€ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•  ๋•Œ ์—…๋ฌด๋ฅผ ์ „๋ฌธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์œ ์ง€ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:38
Hello and welcome to Officeย  English from BBC Learning English,ย ย 
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์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”. BBC Learning English์˜ Office English์— ์˜ค์‹  ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ™˜์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค
00:42
your podcast guide to the languageย  of the office. In each episode,ย ย 
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์–ธ์–ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ ๊ฐ€์ด๋“œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ฐ ์—ํ”ผ์†Œ๋“œ์—์„œ๋Š” ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ๊ฒฝ๋ ฅ์—์„œ ์„ฑ๊ณตํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด
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we talk about business English that willย  help you succeed in your career. I'm Pippa.
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๋  ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค ์˜์–ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ €๋Š” ํ”ผํŒŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:52
And I'm Phil. And in this episodeย  we're talking about disagreementsย ย 
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์ €๋Š” ํ•„์ด์—์š”. ์ด๋ฒˆ ์—ํ”ผ์†Œ๋“œ์—์„œ๋Š” ์ง์žฅ์—์„œ์˜ ์˜๊ฒฌ ๋ถˆ์ผ์น˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
00:55
at work. Of course, we never disagree, do we Pippa?
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. ๋ฌผ๋ก  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒฐ์ฝ” ๋™์˜ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ  Pippa?
00:59
No, we never disagree. We never have aย  cross word. But different opinions at work
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์•„๋‹ˆ์š”, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒฐ์ฝ” ๋™์˜ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์‹ญ์ž๋งํ’€์ด๋ฅผ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ง์žฅ์—์„œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด
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aren't always a bad thing, Phil. Sometimesย  you want different perspectives on a problem.ย ย 
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ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋‚˜์œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, Phil. ๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ๋ฌธ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ด€์ ์„ ์›ํ•  ๋•Œ๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:08
Sometimes you want to hear what other peopleย  have to say, even if you don't agree. Theย ย 
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๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ๋™์˜ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋”๋ผ๋„ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ๋ง์„ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์„ ๋•Œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:12
problem I guess comes when a disagreementย  gets in the way of the work getting done.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฌธ์ œ๋Š” ๋ถˆ์ผ์น˜๊ฐ€ ์ž‘์—…์„ ์™„๋ฃŒํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋ฐฉํ•ด๊ฐ€ ๋  ๋•Œ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:17
Today we're going to talk about how to expressย  your opinion, disagree politely and if necessary,ย ย 
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์˜ค๋Š˜ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ํ‘œํ˜„ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•, ์ •์ค‘ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋™์˜ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•, ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ
01:24
complain about a colleague at work, allย  while staying professional, of course.
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์ง์žฅ ๋™๋ฃŒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ถˆํ‰ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
01:30
And it's important to say that we're speaking fromย  a British cultural context. So in Britain, we likeย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์˜๊ตญ์˜ ๋ฌธํ™”์  ๋งฅ๋ฝ์—์„œ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์˜๊ตญ์—์„œ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ
01:36
to think of ourselves as quite polite. We're quiteย  indirect when it comes to conflict. So we don'tย ย 
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์ž์‹ ์ด ๊ฝค ๊ณต์†ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฐˆ๋“ฑ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ„์ ‘์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
01:42
like to say straight to somebody's face that weย  disagree with them or that we think that theirย ย 
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์˜ ๋ฉด์ „์— ๋™์˜ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜
01:47
idea is rubbish. So that's what we have to thinkย  about when we're having this discussion, Phil.
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์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ์“ฐ๋ ˆ๊ธฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ง์ ‘ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด ํ† ๋ก ์„ ํ•  ๋•Œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, Phil.
01:54
Yes, as always, do think about the contextย  in which you work. Think about how directย ย 
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์˜ˆ, ์–ธ์ œ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋“ฏ์ด ๊ท€ํ•˜๊ฐ€ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š” .
02:00
people are comfortable being with each other.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์ง์ ‘์ ์œผ๋กœ ์„œ๋กœ ํŽธ์•ˆํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ง€๋‚ด๋Š”์ง€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
02:06
So, Pippa. Let's imagine there'sย  a decision that needs to be madeย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ, ํ”ผํŒŒ.
02:10
at work and we have a strong opinionย  about it. How do we share that opinion?
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์ง์žฅ์—์„œ ๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ๋‚ด๋ ค์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฐ•ํ•œ ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๊ฐ€์ •ํ•ด ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ณต์œ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
02:16
So we could say something like,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” '์ œ ๋Š๋‚Œ์—๋Š”...ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
02:18
'My feeling isย we need to...'
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02:20
So that's quite polite. You'reย not saying, ย 
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๊ฝค ์˜ˆ์˜๋ฐ”๋ฅธ ํ‘œํ˜„์ด์ฃ .
02:22
'We must do this.'
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'์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:24
You're making itย clear what your opinion is but you're saying,ย 
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์ž์‹ ์˜ ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๋ฐํžˆ๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ
02:26
'My feeling is that we needย  to do something like this.'
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'๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:32
Yes, this is a very common way of saying it.ย  Yeah, it's that idea of this is what I think, butย ย 
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์˜ˆ, ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ํ‘œํ˜„ ๋ฐฉ์‹์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋„ค, ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค๋งŒ,
02:38
of course other people might think differentย  things. You're allowing the possibility thatย ย 
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๋ฌผ๋ก  ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
02:42
someone else might have a different opinion. It'sย not the same as just saying,
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์„ ํ—ˆ์šฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ
02:45
'We have to do this. We need to do this.'
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'์ด๊ฑธ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ด'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ด์š”.'
02:48
It's saying,
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02:49
'This isย what I think, but you might think differently'.
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'๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์€ ์ด๋ ‡์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๋‹ค'๋Š” ๋œป์ด๋‹ค.
02:52
Yeah, another thing you can think about isย  talking about how you would explain your opinion,ย ย 
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์˜ˆ, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์„ค๋ช…ํ• ์ง€,
02:58
what's guiding your opinion. So you mightย say,
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ์ด๋„๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
03:00
'This is the company priority and so I think we need to...'
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'์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ํšŒ์‚ฌ์˜ ์šฐ์„ ์ˆœ์œ„์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—...'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:05
So you're giving kind of aย  reason for why you have a particular opinion,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ž์‹ ์ด ํŠน์ •ํ•œ ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ์ด์œ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋Š ์ •๋„
03:10
which can be quite convincing, butย  in a kind of more indirect way.
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์„ค๋“๋ ฅ์ด ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์ด์œ ๋ฅผ ์ œ์‹œํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ข€ ๋” ๊ฐ„์ ‘์ ์ธ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•.
03:14
This definitely sounds like something aย  manager will say when they're trying toย ย 
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์ด๋Š” ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๊ด€๋ฆฌ์ž๊ฐ€
03:17
bring a meeting back on topic or a discussionย back. They'll say,
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์ฃผ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํšŒ์˜๋‚˜ ํ† ๋ก ์„ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•  ๋•Œ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋“ค๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€
03:21
'Well look, these are theย priorities. Whatever you suggest needs to doย this, this and this. So why don't we try this?'
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'๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ์„ ์ˆœ์œ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ œ์•ˆํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋“  ์ด ์ผ, ์ด ์ผ, ์ € ์ผ์„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์ด๊ฑธ ์‹œ๋„ํ•ด ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ์–ด๋•Œ์š”?'
03:28
Yeah. Another option is to say something like,
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์‘. ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์˜ต์…˜์€
03:31
'Iย know there are a lot of different routes we couldย take, but I really think we should...'
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'์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์„ ํƒํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ๋กœ๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ •๋ง ๊ทธ๋ž˜์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค...'์™€ ๊ฐ™์ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ
03:37
So that'sย kind of, again, acknowledging there are a lotย ย 
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๋ฒˆ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ง€๋งŒ, ์˜ต์…˜์ด ๋งŽ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์„ ์ธ์ •ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:39
of options, but re-emphasising what you think, so really gives more strength to that opinion.
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ๊ฐ•์กฐํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ ์˜๊ฒฌ์— ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ํž˜์„ ์‹ค์–ด์ค„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:47
Yes, but again as before you'reย  acknowledging that there are other opinions.
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์˜ˆ, ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด์ „๊ณผ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์˜๊ฒฌ๋„ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์„ ์ธ์ •ํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:55
OK, so we have given our opinion,ย  but let's imagine that we have aย ย 
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์ž, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ๋ฐํ˜”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋”์ฐํ•œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด
03:58
colleague who is trying to persuadeย  everybody to make a decision thatย ย 
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๋‚ด๋ฆฌ๋„๋ก ์„ค๋“ํ•˜๋Š” ๋™๋ฃŒ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๊ฐ€์ •ํ•ด ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
04:02
we think is a terrible idea.ย  What would we do then, Phil?
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. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”, ํ•„?
04:07
OK, so this first one I think we often sayย  something like Hmm, I'm not sure about that,ย ย 
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์ข‹์•„์š”, ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค์Œ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋ง์„ ์ž์ฃผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ์Œ, ์ž˜ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”,
04:10
'Hm, I'm not sure about that. I think...'
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'์Œ, ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ž˜ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”. ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—”...'
04:14
So we're not just saying,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‹จ์ง€ '
04:17
'I think that idea is terrible.'
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๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋”์ฐํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ๋‹ค'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:20
We're sayingย that you've got doubts about it,ย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์˜๊ตฌ์‹ฌ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:22
you're saying that your opinion is that you thinkย  there might be a problem with this approach.
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์˜๊ฒฌ์€ ์ด ์ ‘๊ทผ ๋ฐฉ์‹์— ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:28
Yes so, I'm not sure doesn't meanย  a definite this is the wrong way toย ย 
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์˜ˆ, ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•ด์„œ ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ž˜๋ชป๋œ ๊ธธ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์˜๋ฏธํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
04:33
go. But it introduces that ideaย  of doubt into the conversation.
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. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋Œ€ํ™”์— ์˜์‹ฌ์˜ ์—ฌ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ๋ถˆ๋Ÿฌ์ผ์œผํ‚ค๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:39
OK, we've got another one here,ย  we could say, that's a good point,ย ย 
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์ข‹์•„์š”, ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ๋˜ ํ•˜๋‚˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.ย ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์€ ์ง€์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:41
'That's a good point Pippa, but in this instance, I think we should...'
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'๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ข‹์€ ์ง€์ ์ด๊ตฐ์š”, Pippa, ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋Š”...'
04:46
What do you think of that one?
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
04:48
Yes, that's nice. If you said that to me in aย  meeting Phil, I wouldn't be offended. So it'sย ย 
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๋„ค, ์ข‹๋„ค์š”. ๋‹น์‹ ์ด Phil ํšŒ์˜์—์„œ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋ง์„ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์ƒํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
04:53
acknowledging the other person's opinion. Butย you're still being firm about what you thinkย too.
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์ƒ๋Œ€๋ฐฉ์˜ ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ์ธ์ •ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ โ€‹โ€‹์ž์‹ ์˜ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ํ™•๊ณ ํ•œ ํƒœ๋„๋ฅผ ์ทจํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:59
So you're not just saying,
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋‹จ์ˆœํžˆ
05:00
'Oh, that'sย a great idea. Let's do that.'
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'์•„, ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ ์ข‹์€ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด๊ตฌ๋‚˜'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฑธํ•˜์ž.'
05:02
You're saying,
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05:03
'That's a good point, but in this instance, I thinkย we should do something completely different.'
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'๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ข‹์€ ์ง€์ ์ธ๋ฐ, ์ด ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋Š” ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์กฐ์น˜๋ฅผ ์ทจํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹œ๋„ค์š”.
05:08
And here's another one,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ง์€
05:10
'I'm sorry,ย Phil. I have to disagree with you on this.'
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'๋ฏธ์•ˆํ•ด์š”, Phil. ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์˜๊ฒฌ์— ๋™์˜ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.'
05:13
I seem to hear this one a lot. Lotsย  of people say this to me. I'm not sure why.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์–˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋งŽ์ด ๋“ฃ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ์ง€ ์ž˜ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:18
I couldn't say, Phil. Yes, I like this becauseย you're being quite direct about disagreeing withย someone.
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๋‚œ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์—ˆ์–ด์š”, ํ•„. ๋„ค, ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์˜ ์˜๊ฒฌ์— ๋™์˜ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งค์šฐ ์ง์ ‘์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹œ๋Š” ์ ์ด ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:25
You're saying,
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05:25
'I have to disagree withย you.'
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'๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์˜๊ฒฌ์— ๋™์˜ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:27
But you're saying,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๋‹น์‹ ์€
05:28
'I'm sorry,'
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05:28
And you're saying,
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'๋ฏธ์•ˆํ•ด์š”'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ , '
05:29
'I have to disagree.'
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋™์˜ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค'๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:31
So it sort of makes it moreย  professional. It's less of a personal disagreementย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ข€ ๋” ์ „๋ฌธ์ ์ด๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ . ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ์˜๊ฒฌ ์ฐจ์ด๋Š” ๋œํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:36
because you have to disagree, you don't want toย  disagree. It's more of a matter of principle.
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๋™์˜ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋™์˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์›์น™์˜ ๋ฌธ์ œ์— ๊ฐ€๊น์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:46
So we have some good options for disagreeing.ย  But what if the person we disagree with becomesย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋™์˜ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๋•Œ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ข‹์€ ์˜ต์…˜์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์˜๊ฒฌ์— ๋™์˜ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด
05:53
unprofessional and prevents the work from gettingย  done? Is there anything we can do here, Pippa?
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๋น„์ „๋ฌธ์ ์ด ๋˜์–ด ์ž‘์—…์„ ์™„๋ฃŒํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐฉํ•ดํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ ๊นŒ์š” ? ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์ด ์—†์„๊นŒ, ํ”ผํŒŒ?
06:00
So it depends. If you have a colleague who keepsย getting in the way of things, or ignores theย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ผ์„ ๊ณ„์† ๋ฐฉํ•ดํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ํšŒ์‚ฌ์˜ ๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ๋ฌด์‹œํ•˜๋Š” ๋™๋ฃŒ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ƒ์‚ฌ๋‚˜ ๊ด€๋ฆฌ์ž์™€ ๊ฐ™์€
06:06
decisions being made by the company, you couldย  consider complaining to someone more senior,ย ย 
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์ƒ๊ธ‰์ž์—๊ฒŒ ๋ถˆ๋งŒ์„ ํ† ๋กœํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•ด ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
06:11
so your boss or your manager. You'll haveย  to think really carefully about whetherย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์€ ์ƒ๊ฐ ์ธ์ง€ ์ •๋ง ์‹ ์ค‘ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
06:16
it's a good idea. This will depend on theย  seriousness of what's happened and also theย ย 
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. ์ด๋Š” ์ผ์–ด๋‚œ ์ผ์˜ ์‹ฌ๊ฐ์„ฑ๊ณผ
06:25
kind of company that you work in. It mightย  be a better idea just to talk to the personย ย 
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๊ท€ํ•˜๊ฐ€ ๊ทผ๋ฌดํ•˜๋Š” ํšŒ์‚ฌ์˜ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋‹ฌ๋ผ์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ์ง์ ‘ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋” ๋‚˜์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ
06:29
directly, but sometimes you just aren'tย  getting anywhere, it's a really big issueย ย 
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๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ์•„๋ฌด๋Ÿฐ ์„ฑ๊ณผ๋„ ์–ป์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง ํฐ ๋ฌธ์ œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:34
and it's causing problems for your work andย  for the company, so you have to complain.
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๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ์—…๋ฌด์™€ ํšŒ์‚ฌ์— ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ์ผ์œผํ‚ค๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฏ€๋กœ ๋ถˆ๋งŒ์„ ์ œ๊ธฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:39
If you're gonna complain, you might useย  a phrase like,
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๋ถˆํ‰ํ•  ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๋ฉด
06:42
'I'm finding it difficultย to work effectively because...'
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'ํšจ๊ณผ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ผํ•˜๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ํž˜๋“ค์–ด์„œ...' ๊ฐ™์€ ํ‘œํ˜„์„ ์จ๋„ ๋  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”,
06:46
What do you think of that, Phil?
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ํ•„ ์”จ๋Š” ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
06:48
Well, it's a very common way of saying thisย  and the reason that it works is because theย ย 
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์ด๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ํ‘œํ˜„ ๋ฐฉ์‹ ์ด๋ฉฐ ์ด ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด ํšจ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋Š” ์ดˆ์ ์ด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ํ–‰๋™์— ์ง์ ‘์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งž์ถฐ์ง€๊ธฐ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š”
06:55
focus is on you, on why your work is difficult,ย  rather than the focus being directly on the otherย ย 
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์ž์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ, ์ฆ‰ ์ž‘์—…์ด ์–ด๋ ค์šด ์ด์œ ์— ์ดˆ์ ์ด ๋งž์ถฐ์ ธ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
07:02
person's behaviour. Although, obviously, youย  are going to mention that. But it, kind of, itย ย 
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. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ ์ ์„ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ผ์ข…์˜
07:07
tries to reduce the conflict by pointing out theย  consequences of what the other person is doing.
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์ƒ๋Œ€๋ฐฉ์ด ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์˜ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ์ง€์ ํ•˜์—ฌ ๊ฐˆ๋“ฑ์„ ์ค„์ด๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Œ,
07:13
Mmm yes, and a manager's probably goingย  to be most interested in why this is aย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ด€๋ฆฌ์ž๋Š” ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ท€ํ•˜๊ฐ€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์™€ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์˜๊ฒฌ ์ฐจ์ด๋ฅผ ๋ณด์ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์™œ ๋ฌธ์ œ์ธ์ง€์— ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
07:17
problem rather than your kind of personalย  disagreement with somebody.
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.
07:22
Another phrase you can use which is useful is,
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์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์œ ์šฉํ•œ ํ‘œํ˜„์€
07:23
''I'm worriedย about how this would affect... for instance,ย our customers or our clients.'
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''์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ด๋–ค ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์น ์ง€ ๊ฑฑ์ •๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค...์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ด๋‚˜ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์—๊ฒŒ'์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:29
Soย again you're focusing on the impact.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ์˜ํ–ฅ์— ์ดˆ์ ์„ ๋งž์ถ”์„ธ์š”.
07:33
Yes, I think, by focusing on the consequences,ย  it reduces the possibility of it just becomingย ย 
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๋„ค, ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ์— ์ดˆ์ ์„ ๋งž์ถ”๋ฉด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณ€ํ•  ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์ด ์ค„์–ด๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”
07:39
too personal. You're just saying,
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. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‹จ์ง€
07:41
'Look,ย it's about our customers, or it's about theย work that we need to do'.
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'๋ณด์„ธ์š”, ์ด๊ฑด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๋ฌธ์ œ์ด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ผ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๋ฌธ์ œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:45
And that'sย where the focus needs to be really.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ์ดˆ์ ์ด ๋งž์ถฐ์ ธ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:48
Yeah, and not everybody gets on asย  well as we do Phil so, you know,ย ย 
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๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์ž˜ ์ง€๋‚ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—,
07:52
sometimes you'll have to workย  with people you don't get on with,ย ย 
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๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ์–ด์šธ๋ฆฌ์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์ผํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ,
07:55
but it is really about whether or not you canย  do the work. And if the work can't get done,ย ย 
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ ์ผ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์—†๋Š”์ง€์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ž‘์—…์„ ์™„๋ฃŒํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋‹ค๋ฉด
08:00
then you probably need to look at whatย  the problem is and how you can solve it.
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๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€, ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ•ด๊ฒฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์‚ดํŽด๋ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:07
Hopefully, with these phrases, youย  can keep disagreements professionalย ย 
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์ด ๋ฌธ๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋ฉด ์˜๊ฒฌ ๋ถˆ์ผ์น˜๋ฅผ ์ „๋ฌธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์œ ์ง€
08:11
and avoid having to complain. Butย  conflict at work is difficult,ย ย 
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ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ถˆํ‰ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์„ ํ”ผํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ง์žฅ์—์„œ์˜ ๊ฐˆ๋“ฑ์€ ์–ด๋ ค์šด ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ ์‹œ์ž‘ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์—์„œ
08:15
as we heard from our BBC Learning Englishย  colleagues at the start of the podcast.
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BBC Learning English ๋™๋ฃŒ๋“ค์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์€ ์ ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
08:21
Generally, I don't like confrontationย  and sometimes I worry if I disagreeย ย 
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์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋Œ€๊ฒฐ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉฐ ๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์˜ ์˜๊ฒฌ์— ๋™์˜ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด
08:27
with someone they might thinkย  I'm criticising them as a person.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์œผ๋กœ์„œ ๋น„ํŒํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ• ๊นŒ๋ด ๊ฑฑ์ •๋˜๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ถŒ์œ„๋ฅผ
08:32
There's this idea that people withย  authority always have things right,ย ย 
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๊ฐ€์ง„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ์˜ณ์€ ์ผ์„ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:36
you know, impostor syndrome.
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์‚ฌ๊ธฐ๊พผ ์ฆํ›„๊ตฐ์ด์ฃ .
08:38
So, Georgie talked about something calledย  'impostor syndrome'. And this is what we callย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์กฐ์ง€๋Š” '์‚ฌ๊ธฐ๊พผ ์ฆํ›„๊ตฐ'์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ '
08:43
'the feeling that you don't belong somewhereย or you aren't good enough to do your job, when you actually are'
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์–ด๋”˜๊ฐ€์— ์†ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ๋Š๋‚Œ, ๋˜๋Š” ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ์ผ์„ ํ•  ๋งŒํผ ๋ถ€์กฑํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๋Š๋‚Œ'์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฅด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:50
Whatย do you think about that, Phil?
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์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”, ํ•„?
08:52
Yes, it can be difficult with impostorย  syndrome, because there's two sides toย ย 
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์˜ˆ, ์‚ฌ๊ธฐ๊พผ ์ฆํ›„๊ตฐ์—๋Š” ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ธก๋ฉด์ด ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์–ด๋ ค์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
08:56
this. You get people who are not veryย  confident, but they are competent,ย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์ด ์—†์ง€๋งŒ ์œ ๋Šฅํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ,
09:00
and that's usually when people have impostorย  syndrome. But you also get the opposite,ย ย 
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์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์‚ฌ๊ธฐ๊พผ ์ฆํ›„๊ตฐ์„ ์•“๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ ๋ฐ˜๋Œ€์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:03
you get some people who are really confident,ย  but maybe they're not so good at their job. Andย ย 
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์ •๋ง ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์ด ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์—…๋ฌด๋ฅผ ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ์ž˜ ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
09:08
if you're the person who's not that confident,ย  it can be really difficult to stand up againstย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์ด ์—†๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด,
09:13
another colleague who's really confident, evenย  though you think they're doing everything wrong.
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์ •๋ง ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋™๋ฃŒ๊ฐ€ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ผ์„ ์ž˜๋ชปํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋”๋ผ๋„ ๋งž์„œ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง ์–ด๋ ค์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:17
Yeah, and in the UK, people talk a lot aboutย  impostor syndrome stopping people from doingย ย 
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๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์˜๊ตญ์—์„œ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ตœ์„ ์„ ๋‹คํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐฉํ•ดํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๊ธฐ๊พผ ์ฆํ›„๊ตฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งŽ์ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:22
their best work and so there's a lot of talk aboutย  kind of being more confident and standing up forย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ข€ ๋” ์ž์‹ ๊ฐ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ 
09:28
what you believe in. But I guess it's importantย  to think about your workplace and culture becauseย ย 
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์ž์‹ ์ด ๋ฏฟ๋Š” ๋ฐ”๋ฅผ ์˜นํ˜ธํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งŽ์€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง์žฅ๊ณผ ๋ฌธํ™”์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ณด์„ธ์š”. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด
09:34
there's some places where there's quite strictย  hierarchies and it wouldn't be a good ideaย ย 
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๋งค์šฐ ์—„๊ฒฉํ•œ ๊ณ„์ธต ๊ตฌ์กฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณณ์ด ์žˆ๊ณ 
09:38
to disagree with your boss or somebody who'sย  worked at the company a lot longer than you.
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์ƒ์‚ฌ๋‚˜ ํšŒ์‚ฌ์—์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ๋ณด๋‹ค ์˜ค๋ž˜ ์ผํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ์˜๊ฒฌ์— ๋™์˜ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ข‹์€ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:43
So, again, as we've said, it'sย  about reading the situation,ย ย 
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๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ด๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์„ ์ฝ๊ณ , ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด
09:47
trying to be confident in your opinions if youย  think they're gonna make the company better,ย ย 
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ํšŒ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ๋” ์ข‹๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ 
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make the work better, but also recognisingย  when it's a good idea not to voice an opinion.
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์—…๋ฌด๋ฅผ ๋” ์ข‹๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์˜๊ฒฌ์— ํ™•์‹ ์„ ๊ฐ–๋„๋ก ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ํ•œ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์€ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ž„์„ ์ธ์‹ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ๋งํ•ด๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
09:58
Yes. And actually that's a really importantย  skill. Look at the place where you work,ย ย 
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์˜ˆ. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ •๋ง ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ์žฅ์†Œ๋ฅผ ์‚ดํŽด๋ณด๊ณ ,
10:03
look at how people deal with conflict. Areย  they very direct in criticising each other?ย ย 
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ฐˆ๋“ฑ์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค๋ฃจ๋Š”์ง€ ์‚ดํŽด๋ณด์„ธ์š”. ์„œ๋กœ๋ฅผ ๋งค์šฐ ์ง์ ‘์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋น„ํŒํ•˜๋Š” ํŽธ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
10:09
Or are they a lot more indirect, do they tryย  and not get very personal with it or perhapsย ย 
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๊ฐ„์ ‘์ ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”? ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ ‘๊ทผํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ์‹œ๋„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ œ
10:14
go through third people? Have a look at itย  and see what the context is where you work.
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3์ž๋ฅผ ๊ฑฐ์น˜๋‚˜์š”? ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์‚ดํŽด๋ณด๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณณ์˜ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ์–ด๋–ค์ง€ ์•Œ์•„๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
10:23
That's it for this episode of Office English.ย  Remember, you can find more programmes andย ย 
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด Office English์˜ ์ด๋ฒˆ ์—ํ”ผ์†Œ๋“œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.ย  ์ €ํฌ ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ bbclearningenglish.com์—์„œ ์—…๋ฌด ์˜์–ด์— ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๋Š” ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ๊ณผ ํ™œ๋™์„ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
10:28
activities to help you with your English atย  work on our website, bbclearningenglish.com.
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10:34
Next time, we'll be talking aboutย  the language of negotiating at work.
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๋‹ค์Œ๋ฒˆ์—๋Š” ์ง์žฅ์—์„œ์˜ ํ˜‘์ƒ ์–ธ์–ด์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ด ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:38
Bye for now.
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์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์•ˆ๋…•.
10:39
Bye!
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์•ˆ๋…•!
์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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