Why All Melodies Should Be Free for Musicians to Use | Damien Riehl | TED

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譯者: Lilian Chiu 審譯者: Helen Chang
00:04
I'm going to tell you a true story,
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我要說個真實的故事, 但我不要用主角的名字,
00:06
but instead of the name of the protagonist,
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請各位想想你最愛的藝術家, 你最愛的音樂家,
00:08
think about your favorite artist.
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00:09
Think about your favorite musician,
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00:11
and think about your favorite song by that musician.
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及你最喜歡那位音樂家的哪首歌。
00:14
Think about them bringing that song from nothing to something into your ears
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想想他們從無到有創作出 那首你聽到的歌,
00:18
and bringing you so much joy.
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帶給你好多喜悅。
現在想想你最愛的音樂家被告,
00:20
Now think about your favorite musician getting sued, and that lawyer saying,
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那位律師說:
00:23
"I represent this group.
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「我代表這個團體。我認為你聽到 他們的歌後才寫了你的歌。
00:24
I think you heard their song and then you wrote yours.
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你侵犯了他們的版權。」
00:27
You violated their copyright."
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00:28
And imagine your musician saying, "No, it's not true.
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想像你的音樂家說:「不是這樣的。
我從沒聽過那首歌。
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I don't think I've ever heard that song.
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就算聽過,我在寫我的歌時 也肯定沒有想著它。」
00:33
But even if I did,
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00:34
I certainly wasn't thinking about them when I made my song."
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想像這個案件上了法庭, 法官說:「我相信你,音樂家,
00:37
Imagine the case going to trial and a judge saying, "I believe you,
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我不認為你是有意識地 抄襲那個團體。
00:40
I don't think you consciously copied that group.
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但我認為你在潛意識中抄襲了他們。
00:42
But what I think did happen is you subconsciously copied them.
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00:45
You violated the copyright, and you have to pay them a lot of money.”
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你侵犯了版權, 你得付他們很多錢。」
想想看,那樣公平嗎?那樣公正嗎?
00:49
Think about whether that's fair or just.
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00:52
This actually happened to George Harrison, the lead guitarist of The Beatles,
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披頭四的主奏吉他手 喬治‧哈里森就遇到了這種事,
那個團體是雪紡,她們有一首歌:
00:56
and the group was The Chiffons,
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00:57
who's had a song "He's so fine, oh so fine."
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「他真好,喔,真好。」
01:00
And George Harrison had a song,
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而喬治‧哈里森的 歌是:「我親愛的主,
01:02
"My sweet Lord, oh, sweet Lord."
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喔,親愛的主。」
01:05
But what neither George Harrison nor The Chiffons nor the judge, really,
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但,喬治‧哈里森、雪紡、 法官,其實根本是任何人
01:08
nor anybody else had considered, is maybe since the beginning of time,
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都沒有想到,也許從有史以來,
01:11
the number of melodies is remarkably finite.
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旋律的數目就是非常有限的。
01:14
Maybe there are only so many melodies in this world.
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也許世界上就只有那麼多旋律。
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And The Chiffons, when they picked their melody,
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而雪紡在挑選旋律時,
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plucked it from that already existing finite melodic data set.
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從既有的有限旋律 資料集當中挑出了它。
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And George Harrison happened to have plucked the same melody
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而喬治‧哈里森就剛好
也從同樣的有限旋律資料集 當中挑中了同樣的旋律。
01:24
from that same finite melodic data set.
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01:27
This is a different way of thinking about music
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法官和律師都沒有從這種角度 思考過音樂,連音樂家也沒有。
01:29
in a way that judges and lawyers nor musicians have thought about.
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因為些團體只會認為音樂家從 他們自己的創意泉源中竊取,
01:32
Because when those groups have thought about musicians,
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01:35
they think about them drawing from their own creative wellspring,
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從無到有創作出來。
01:38
bringing from nothing, something into the world.
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他們有一張空白頁,可以 把他們的創意揮灑在上面。
01:40
They have a blank page upon which they can put their creativity.
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不是這樣的。
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That's actually not true.
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喬治‧哈里森知道,你得 避開所有已被寫出來的歌,
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As George Harrison realized,
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01:46
you have to avoid every song that's ever been written,
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如果沒做到,就會被告。
01:49
because if you don't, you get sued.
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如果你從既有旋律中選到的旋律 還沒有人選過,就很幸運。
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If you're lucky, you pluck one of those already existing melodies
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01:53
that hasn't been taken.
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不幸運的話,就是有別人用過了。
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If you're unlucky, you pluck a melody that's already been taken.
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不論你有沒有聽過那首歌, 也許以前從未聽過。
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Whether you've heard that song or not, maybe you've never heard it before.
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這種情況下,如果你很幸運, 你的共同作曲家或某人會說:
02:01
If that happens, if you're lucky,
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你知道嗎,那首新歌 聽起來很像那首舊歌。
02:03
you have a co-songwriter or somebody who says,
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你說:喔,天,謝天謝地。
02:05
that new song sounds a lot like that old song.
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你在歌曲釋出之前就把它改掉了。
02:07
And you change it before it goes out the door.
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如果你不夠幸運, 沒有人告訴你這件事,
02:09
Now, if you're unlucky, you don't have somebody telling you that,
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你把它對全世界公開, 那團體聽到你的歌,就去告你,
02:12
you release it out in the world,
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02:14
the group hears your song and they sue you
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為了一首你可能以前 從未聽過的歌曲。
02:16
for a song maybe that you've never heard before in your life.
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你踩到了旋律地雷。
02:19
You've just stepped on a melodic landmine.
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02:21
The thing is, this is the world before my colleague, Noah Rubin, and I
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重點是,
這是我和我同事諾亞‧魯賓 展開我們的計畫之前的世界。
02:26
have started our project.
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02:27
The world now looks like this.
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現在的世界是這樣子。
02:29
We filled in every melody that's ever existed and ever can exist.
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我們填滿了所有曾經出現過 及將來有可能出現的旋律。
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Every step is going to be a melodic landmine.
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現在每一步都是旋律地雷。
02:35
And ironically, this is actually trying to help songwriters.
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諷刺的是,這麼做 是在試著協助作曲家。
02:39
Let me tell you how.
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讓我解釋一下。
02:40
I'm a lawyer.
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我是律師,2002 年起就在當律師。
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I've been a lawyer since 2002.
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02:43
I've litigated copyright cases, I've taught law school copyright cases.
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我打過版權官司,我在 法律學校教過版權案例。
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I'm also a musician.
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我也是音樂家,有音樂學士學位,
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I have a bachelor’s degree in music, I’m a performer,
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我是表演者、唱片藝術家, 我也會製作唱片。
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I'm a recording artist, and I also produce records.
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02:53
I'm also a technologist.
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我也是科技人員,1985 年開始 寫程式,1995 年寫網路程式。
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I've been coding since 1985, for the web since '95.
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02:57
I’ve done cybersecurity, and I also currently design software.
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我做過網路安全工作, 目前也在設計軟體。
03:00
So that puts me right in the middle of a Venn diagram
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因此我落在維恩圖的中間, 這讓我有一些洞見,
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that gives me a few insights that if I were in any one of those areas
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是我如果只隸屬其中一個領域 可能就不會有的洞見。
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I might not have had.
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03:07
And my colleague Noah Rubin,
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而我的同事諾亞‧魯賓,
03:09
in addition to being one of the smartest people I've ever known,
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除了是我所認識 最聰明的人之一以外,
他也是音樂家,也是我所認識 最出色的程式設計師之一。
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he's also a musician,
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03:13
and he's also one of the most brilliant programmers I've known.
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在工作中,我們有了領悟,各位可能
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And between our work,
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03:17
we came to a realization that you may have had saying,
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說過:「你知道那首新歌嗎? 它很像另一首舊歌。」
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"You know that new song?
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03:21
It sounds a lot like this other old song."
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那是有原因的,我們發現, 就只有那麼多旋律,
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And there's a reason for that.
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03:24
We've discovered that there is only so many melodies,
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就只有這麼多音符, 能排列的方式就這麼多。
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there are only so many notes that can be arranged in so many ways.
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那和比如視覺藝術不同,
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And that's different than visual art,
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因為筆法、顏色, 和主題的數量都無限,
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where they're an infinite number of brushstrokes, colors and subjects
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03:35
that to accidentally do them is very difficult.
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很難剛好都一樣。
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Similarly with language,
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語言也類似,英文就有 十一萬七千個字,
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the English language has 117,000 words in it,
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03:41
so the odds of accidentally writing the same paragraph are next to zero.
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不小心寫出同樣一段 文字的機率幾乎是零。
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In contrast,
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相對的,
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music doesn't have 117,000 words.
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音樂沒有十一萬七千個字。
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Music has eight notes.
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音樂只有八個音符。
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Do, Re, Mi, Fa, Sol, La, Ti, Do.
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Do、Re、Mi、Fa、 Sol、La、Ti、Do。
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One two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
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一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八。
所有現存及未來可能出現的熱門旋律
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And every popular melody that's ever existed and ever can exist
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is those eight notes.
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都是用那八個音符組成。
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Now, it's remarkably small.
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這個範圍小得驚人。 我做過網路安全,我知道
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I worked in cybersecurity,
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and I know if I wanted to attack your password and hack your password,
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如果我想要攻擊竊取 你的密碼,其中一個做法
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one way to do it is to use a computer to really quickly say aaaa. No?
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就是用電腦很快地試,比如
AAA,不是?AAB?AAC?
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Aab, aac,
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04:12
And to keep running until it hits your password.
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一直試到猜出你的密碼。
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That's called brute-forcing a password.
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那叫做暴力破解法。
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So I thought, what if you could brute force melodies?
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於是,我想,如果 你能暴力破解旋律呢?
如果你可以,比如, Do-Do-Do-Do、Do-Do-Do-Re、
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What if you could say, Do-Do-Do-Do, Do-Do-Do-Re,
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04:21
Do-Do-Do-Mi.
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Do-Do-Do-Mi、Do-Do-Do-Fa。
把所有可能的旋律都排列出來。
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And then exhaust every melody that's ever been.
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04:25
And the way the computers read music is called MIDI.
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電腦讀音樂的方式稱為 MIDI。
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And in MIDI it looks like this Do-Do-Do-Do, Do-Do-Do-Re.
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在 MIDI 中是這樣子的: Do-Do-Do-Do、Do-Do-Do-Re。
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So I approached my colleague Noah,
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於是我去找我同事諾亞,說: 「諾亞,你能否寫個演算法,
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I said, Noah, can you write an algorithm
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04:34
to be able to march through every melody that's ever existed
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列出所有曾經出現過及未來 可能出現的旋律?」
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and ever can exist?
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他說:「行,我可以。」
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He said, "Yeah, I could do that."
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04:40
So at a rate of 300,000 melodies per second,
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於是,以每秒鐘 三十萬個旋律的速度,
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he wrote a program to write to disk every melody that's ever existed
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他設計了一個程式,在硬碟中寫入
所有曾經出現過 和將來可能出現的旋律。
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and ever can exist.
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04:49
And in my hand right now is every melody that's ever existed
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現在我手上的就是所有曾經 出現過和將來可能出現的旋律。
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and ever can exist.
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04:53
And the thing is, to be copyrighted,
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重點是,要取得版權, 你不需要做什麼正式的事。
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you don't have to do anything formal.
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04:57
As soon as it's written to a fixed, tangible medium, this hard drive,
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只要旋律寫入了實體的 媒體當中,即這個硬碟,
就自動有版權了。
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it's copyrighted automatically.
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Now, this leaves copyright law with a very interesting question,
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這就丟了一個非常 有趣的問題給版權法,
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because you think about the world before
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因為,想想以前的世界,
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and songwriters had to avoid every song that's ever been written, in red.
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作曲家必須要避開已經有人 寫過的歌,即紅色的部分。
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Noah and I have exhausted the entire melodic copyright.
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諾亞和我把所有的 旋律版權都包下來了。
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So if you superimpose the songs that have been written, in red,
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如果你把已經寫出來的歌(紅色) 和還沒有人寫的歌疊在一起,
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with the songs that haven't yet been written,
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就出現了有趣的問題:
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you have an interesting question:
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我們是否侵犯了所有 被創作出來的旋律?
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Have we infringed every melody that's ever been?
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05:25
And in the future, every songwriter that writes in the green spots,
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在未來,當作曲家 寫出綠色區域的旋律,
是否就侵犯了我們的版權?
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have they infringed us?
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05:30
Now, you might think at this point,
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此時,各位可能在想,你是想 攻下全世界的版權酸民嗎?
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are you some sort of copyright troll that's trying to take over the world?
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我會說,不是,絕對不是。
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And I would say, no, absolutely not.
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事實剛好相反。
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In fact, the opposite is true.
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05:39
Noah and I are songwriters ourselves.
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我和諾亞本身都是作曲家。
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We want to make the world better for songwriters.
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我們希望世界對作曲家更友善。
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So what we've done is we're taking everything
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我們的做法是,把一切 都放到公有領域去。
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and putting it in the public domain.
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05:47
We're trying to keep space open for songwriters
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我們希望讓作曲家一直 擁有開放的創作空間。
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to be able to make music.
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我們的焦點不是歌詞, 不是錄音,而是旋律。
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And we're not focused on the lyrics,
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05:52
we're not focused on recording, we're focused on melodies.
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重點是,我們能用的旋律快沒了。
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And the thing is, we're running out of melodies that we can use.
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版權系統出了問題,它需要更新。
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The copyright system is broken and it needs updating.
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我們在工作上得到的洞見包括
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Some of the insights that we've received as part of our work
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對電腦來說,旋律只是數字,
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is that melodies to a computer are just numbers
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06:06
because those melodies have existed since the beginning of time,
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因為,從有史以來 那些旋律就存在了,
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and we're only just discovering them.
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我們只是發現它們。
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So the melody Do-Re-Mi-Re-Do to a computer is literally 1-2-3-2-1.
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所以,Do-Re-Mi-Re-Do 這段旋律
對電腦而言就只是 1-2-3-2-1。
06:17
So really the number 1-2-3-2-1 is just a number.
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所以,1-2-3-2-1 其實 就只是數字,數學。
06:20
It's just math that's been existing since the beginning of time.
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從有史以來就存在了。
06:23
And under the copyright laws, numbers are facts.
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根據版權法,數字屬於事實。
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And under copyright law, facts either have thin copyright,
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且根據版權法,事實
只會有很少的版權、 幾乎沒版權,或完全沒版權。
06:29
almost no copyright or no copyright at all.
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06:32
So maybe if these numbers have existed since the beginning of time
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所以也許如果有史以來就有 這些數字,我們只是挑出它們,
06:35
where we're just plucking them out,
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06:36
maybe melodies are just math,
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也許,旋律只是數學,也就是事實,
06:38
which is just facts, which maybe are not copyrightable.
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可能不能有版權。
06:41
Maybe if somebody's suing over a melody alone,
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也許,如果單單針對旋律提告,
06:43
not lyrics, not recordings,
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不是歌詞,不是錄製品, 就只針對旋律,
06:45
but just the melody alone,
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也許這類案件會消失。 也許不會被受理。
06:47
maybe those cases go away.
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06:48
Maybe they get dismissed.
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06:49
Now you might say, well, what constitutes a melody?
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各位可能會說,旋律是什麼構成的?
我們一開始打算把 所有的鋼琴鍵都拿來用,
06:52
And we were initially going to take the entire piano keyboard
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06:55
and be able to do the entire keyboard.
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但我們想把焦點放在 兩個八度音階的人聲音域上。
06:56
But we thought, let's focus on the vocal range,
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06:59
which is actually two octaves.
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接著,我們想,流行音樂就夠了,
07:00
And then we thought, no, actually we're thinking about pop music,
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因為針對流行音樂提告才可能賺錢。
07:03
which is the only thing that makes money that people sue over.
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於是我們轉向音樂學家, 他們辯論過什麼是
07:06
So we looked at musicologists,
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旋律動機,短旋律 v.s. 長旋律。
07:08
and they have debated what is a motif, a short melody versus a longer melody.
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我們決定用十二個音符。
07:11
And we landed with 12 notes.
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接著,我們將那數字比對 被提告或被威脅要提告的歌曲。
07:13
And then we superimposed that number with songs that have either been litigated
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比如,雪坊有「他真好,喔,真好」。
07:17
or threatened to be litigated.
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07:18
For example, The Chiffons had “He’s so fine, oh so fine.”
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07:21
Versus “My sweet Lord, Oh, sweet Lord.”
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對上「我親愛的主,喔,親愛的主。」
07:26
Eight notes.
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八個音符。
07:28
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo.
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嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟。
07:30
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
07:32
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo.
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嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟。
07:34
That's so close.
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好接近。
07:35
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
07:37
"Oh, I won't back down.
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「喔,我不會退縮。
07:40
No, I won't back down."
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不,我不會退縮。」
07:44
Versus “Won’t you stay with me
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對上
「你不會陪著我嗎,
07:49
'cause you're all I need."
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因為我需要的只有你。」
07:52
Ten notes.
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十個音符。
07:54
Doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo.
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嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟。
07:59
Versus Katy Perry's
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對上凱蒂佩芮的
08:01
Doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo, doo.
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嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟。
08:05
Last two notes are different.
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最後兩個音符不同,陪審團 不在乎,兩百八十萬美金。
08:07
The jury didn't care, 2.8 million dollars.
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08:09
Audience: Ooh.
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觀眾:哇喔。
08:10
DR: So every song within that is within our parameters of eight notes up,
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講者:在那之內的每首歌 都在我們的參數內,
向上八個音符,大調和小調,
08:14
major and minor, 12 notes across.
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橫向十二個音符。
08:16
So what you see in red is every popular melody
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各位看到的紅色區域
就是曾經出現過及將來 可能出現的所有流行旋律。
08:19
that's ever existed and ever can exist.
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08:21
So all Noah and I had to do is to be able to exhaust that remarkably finite,
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我和諾亞需要做的就是要能列出
那非常有限、非常小的 資料集所有的內容。
08:25
remarkably small data set.
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08:27
There aren't that many of them.
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沒有那麼多旋律。
向上八個,橫向十二個。
08:29
Eight up, 12 across.
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08:31
You might say, Damien, songs are more than just melodies, there's chords too.
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你可能會說,戴米恩, 歌不只是旋律,還有和弦。
我完全同意,因為 結果發現那樣更簡單。
08:35
And I would totally agree with you
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08:36
because it turns out that that's even easier.
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2017 年,彼得‧伯金瑟
08:38
In 2017, Peter Burkimsher exhausted every chord.
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列出了所有和弦, 現在在 GitHub 可以下載。
08:41
You can download it today in GitHub.
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我們的焦點卻
08:42
We're instead focused not on lyrics, not on recordings,
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不是歌詞、錄音,而是旋律。
08:45
we're focused on melodies.
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08:47
And the thing is, we're running out
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問題是,旋律不夠了, 因為歌曲並不只是旋律,
08:48
because the song isn't just a single melody,
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08:50
but there are many parts to a song,
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歌曲包含許多部分,而每一個部分
08:52
and each part of that song can have many motifs and melodies within it.
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可能包含許多旋律動機和旋律。
一首歌可能有高達 十種旋律和旋律動機。
08:56
So each song can have up to ten melodies and motifs.
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08:59
So SoundCloud, which is a way that musicians can upload to this website
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音樂家可以把作品上傳到 SoundCloud 網站來發行,
09:02
and distribute their work,
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目前 SoundCloud 有兩億首歌曲,
09:04
SoundCloud currently has 200 million songs,
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09:06
and the number of open spaces is shrinking exponentially.
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剩下的開放空間以指數速度在縮減。
09:09
Because every basement musician is recording, and they’re recording
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因為每個窩在地下室的 音樂家都在錄音
09:12
and they’re uploading it to YouTube, to Spotify
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然後上傳到 YouTube、 Spotify、SoundCloud。
09:14
and to SoundCloud.
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09:16
And they are exhausting the entire mathematical data set.
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他們會把整個數學資料集給用盡。
09:19
They're exhausting the open spaces.
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他們會開放空間用盡, 直到完全不剩為止。
09:21
until there are not going to be any more left.
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09:23
What Noah and I have done is we're trying to preserve those spots that are left.
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我和諾亞在做的是試圖 保留那些剩餘的空間。
09:27
We're trying to be able to take those green spots,
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我們試圖將那些綠色區域 放到公有領域,
09:29
put them in the public domain
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09:31
so that other people can be able to make them.
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讓其他人可以用,因為快用光了。
09:33
Because we're running out.
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09:34
The thing is we're just getting started because if you go to our website,
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我們才剛開始,如果你到 我們的網站 AllTheMusic.info,
09:38
AllTheMusic.info, you can not only download all the music we've made,
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不僅能下載所有我們 製作的音樂,很多喔,
09:41
which is a lot,
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你也可以下載我們用的程式,
09:42
you can also download the program that we used,
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09:44
and we're giving away the code for free so you can expand upon our work.
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我們免費提供程式碼,讓各位 可以從我們所做的再擴展出去。
09:48
Something I didn't tell you is that those eight notes that we did,
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有件事我剛才沒有告訴各位: 我們先前用八個音符,
09:51
as we speak right now, we've expanded that to 12 notes.
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此時此刻,我們正在 擴展到十二個音符。
所以不只是白鍵的音符, 我們連黑鍵也用了。
09:54
So instead of just the white notes, now we've got the black notes, too.
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09:57
So we're covering jazz, classical music,
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這樣我們就能納入爵士、古典音樂,
09:59
and we think it's only a matter of time before somebody is going to expand that
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我們認為,遲早會有人把它 擴展到所有的鋼琴鍵,
10:03
to do the entire piano keyboard
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把我們的十二個音符擴展到一百個,
10:04
and take our 12 notes and expand it to 100
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10:06
with every rhythmic variation and every chordal variation
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搭配所有節奏變化及所有和弦變化,
10:09
till our remarkably finite mathematical data set gets further exhausted.
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讓我們非常有限的數學資料集
被進一步完整列出。
10:14
This is going to happen.
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這會發生。
10:16
And the thing is, how is the law going to respond?
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重點是,法律會怎麼回應?
10:18
Because the thing is, we're not focused
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因為,我們的重點並不是 某人抄襲前人的旋律。
10:20
on somebody copying a previous person's melody.
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10:22
We're focused instead on somebody accidentally copying a song
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我們的重點是某人 不小心抄襲了一首歌,
10:25
that they either have heard and forgotten about
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他們可能聽過但忘了的歌,
10:28
or have never heard before in their lives.
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或者從來沒有聽過的歌。
10:31
And the chance of landing in an open spot is remarkably small,
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且創作要能落在 開放區域的機會相當小,
10:34
and it's shrinking every day.
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每天都在變小。
10:36
And the thing is,
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重點是,身為作曲家, 你被告的機率相當高。
10:37
the odds of you as a songwriter getting sued are remarkably high.
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10:40
And if you get sued, you're going want to think about
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如果你被告,你就該想想 法官和陪審團會怎麼想。
10:43
what a judge or a jury is going to think about,
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他們會想兩個問題。
10:45
and they are going to think about two questions.
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第一個問題是:
10:47
The first question is:
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10:48
Is that previous songwriter’s copyright valid?
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先前的作曲家的版權有效嗎?
先前的歌有版權嗎?
10:51
Do they even have a copyright in that previous song?
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10:53
Second question is: Did you infringe their copyright?
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第二個問題:你是否 侵犯他們的版權?
針對第一個問題, 也許答案是「沒有」,
10:56
So to the first question, maybe the answer to that is no,
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10:58
because if they're suing just over the melody,
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因為他們只針對旋律提告,
也許那段旋律從有史以來就存在了。
11:01
maybe that melody's existed since the beginning of time.
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也許就只有這麼多音符,
11:03
Maybe there are only so many notes that are math, that are not copyrightable.
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它們是數學,不可宣告版權。
11:07
To the second question did you infringe, there are two sub questions.
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第二個是否侵權的問題, 有兩個子問題。
第一:你是否有取得、 聽過先前的那首歌?
11:11
The first question is: Did you access, did you hear that previous song?
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11:14
And if so, are those two songs substantially similar?
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如果有,這兩首歌大體上類似嗎?
11:17
Now the first question: Did you access or hear that previous song?
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第一個問題:你是否有取得、 聽過先前的那首歌?
11:20
That's got a lot of problems, it's really problematic.
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有很多問題,真的是問題相當多。
11:22
And the reason for that is there are only a few cases
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原因是因為,只有很少數案例 當事人有明確取得先前的歌。
11:25
where access is crystal clear.
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比如,約翰‧弗格蒂
11:27
For example, John Fogerty was alleged to have infringed John Fogerty
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被認為侵犯了清水 合唱團的約翰‧弗格蒂,
11:30
when he was part of Creedence.
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11:32
So clearly John Fogerty had access to John Fogerty songs.
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很明顯,約翰‧弗格蒂 能取得約翰‧弗格蒂的歌。
11:35
On the opposite end of the spectrum, on no access,
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在光譜的另一端,無從取得,
11:38
what if a baby were to sing into their toy?
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如果寶寶對著玩具唱歌呢?
11:40
And again, as soon as the toy recorder happens,
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當玩具這個不變的實體媒體開始 錄音時,就會自動產生版權。
11:42
it's copyrighted automatically, it's a fixed, tangible medium.
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11:45
So if a baby starts singing
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如果寶寶開始唱嗒嗒嗒嗒嗒嗒嗒嗒,
11:47
Da da da da da, da da da da da da.
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而一年後,泰勒絲唱:
11:49
And a year later, Taylor Swift sings, "I stay up too late.
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「我熬夜熬得太晚。 腦中空無一物。」
11:52
Got nothing in my brain."
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11:53
Clearly, Taylor Swift has not infringed that baby
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很明顯,泰勒絲沒有 侵犯寶寶的版權,
11:56
because Taylor Swift has not heard that baby's recording, OK?
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因為泰勒絲沒有聽過寶寶的錄音。
11:59
Clear case of no access.
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這是明顯無從取得的案例。
12:01
But the thing is, almost none of the cases are that clear.
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問題是,幾乎沒有案例能那麼明確。
12:04
What if there's a question mark
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如果無法確定第二個人 是否有聽過那首歌呢?
12:05
as to whether the second person heard it or not?
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也許有,也許沒有, 也許聽過但忘了。
12:08
Maybe they heard it, maybe they didn't.
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12:10
Maybe they heard it and forgot it.
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也許他們是在潛意識裡侵犯版權。
12:11
Maybe they subconsciously infringed.
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在法律上,這些稱為事實問題。
12:13
These are all what the law calls fact questions.
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12:15
And the thing is, almost every copyright case that comes out is a fact question.
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問題是,幾乎每一件 版權案件都是事實問題。
12:19
Almost never is it as clear as John Fogerty
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幾乎不會有像約翰‧弗格蒂 或泰勒絲那麼清楚的狀況,
12:21
or as clear as Taylor Swift.
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12:23
Almost every case is that middle section,
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幾乎每個案件都落在中間, 都是事實問題。
12:25
that fact question.
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事實問題麻煩之處在於,
12:26
And the hard part about fact questions is they're notoriously hard to resolve
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在初期要做出判斷 是出名的困難。
12:30
at an early stage in the case,
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12:31
because when you think about a life span of a lawsuit,
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因為,想想法律訴訟的整個過程,
12:34
it starts out as a cease and desist letter.
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一開始是一封警告函。
你若不賠我,我就告你。
12:36
You need to pay me or I'll sue you.
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它繼續下去,會花上數年。
12:38
It goes forward and it's going to take years.
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而事實問題要到整個過程的 尾聲才會有答案。
12:40
And the thing about fact questions,
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12:41
they don't get resolved until the end of that process.
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那就是喬治‧哈里森的遭遇。 審判後,法官說:
12:44
That's what happened to George Harrison.
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12:46
After trial, the judge said, "I think you subconsciously infringed."
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「我認為你在潛意識中侵權了。」
如果你是作曲家, 且以前從未聽過某段旋律,
12:49
So if you're a songwriter who's never heard a melody before,
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但卻有人來找你,說,嘿, 我認為你抄襲我的歌,
12:52
but you are approached by somebody saying you stole their song,
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你要怎麼辦?
12:55
what are you going to do?
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12:56
Sam Smith was approached by Tom Petty.
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湯姆‧佩蒂去找山姆‧史密斯,
12:58
Tom Petty said, “My song ‘Won’t Back Down’ sounds like your ‘Stay with Me.’”
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湯姆‧佩蒂說:「我的歌『不退縮』
聽起來很像你的『留下陪我』。」
13:02
Sam Smith reportedly responded,
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據說山姆‧史密斯回應:
13:04
"Hey, man, I've never heard your song before.
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「嘿,老兄,我從未聽過你的歌。 你寫的時候我還沒出生。」
13:06
That was written before I was born."
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13:08
But if I was in Sam Smith’s position,
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但,如果我是山姆‧史密斯,
13:10
I would look at this long road ahead of me and the prospect at the end
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我會考慮眼前漫長的路
及預期結果就是法官會說: 「我認為你在潛意識裡侵權了。」
13:14
of a judge saying, you know, "I think you subliminally infringed."
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13:17
So what are you going to do?
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你能怎麼辦?
13:18
It's not surprising that Sam Smith made Tom Petty a co-songwriter,
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並不意外,山姆‧史密斯將 湯姆‧派蒂列為共同作曲家,
13:21
giving Tom Petty a lot of his songwriting royalties.
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將他寫歌的版稅 分一大部分給湯姆‧派蒂。
13:25
Radiohead had a song, "And I'm a creep. I'm a weirdo."
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電台司令有一首歌 「我是個討厭鬼,我是個怪胎。」
13:29
The Hollies said, "Hey, that sounds like our song."
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赫里斯說:「嘿, 那聽起來像我們的歌。」
13:32
They made them co-songwriters
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他們將他們列為共同作曲家,
13:33
Lana Del Rey ironically, had a song that sounds like "Creep."
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諷刺的是,拉娜‧德芮有首歌 聽起來像「討厭鬼」,
13:36
Offered to make them co-songwriters, reportedly.
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據說她提出要將他們 列為共同作曲家。
13:38
Katy Perry had a song that she testified
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凱蒂‧佩芮有一首歌,
她和她所有的共同作曲家都表明
13:42
and all of her co-songwriters testified,
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「我以前從未聽過先前的那首歌」,
13:44
"I have never heard that previous song before in my life"
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13:46
and the other side didn't dispute it.
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而另一方沒有爭,說:「我們 沒有證據證明他們聽過這首歌,
13:48
They say, "We have no evidence that they actually heard the song,
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但我們的 YouTube 點閱率有 三百多萬,所以他們一定聽過。」
13:51
but we did have three-point-some million YouTube views,
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13:54
so they must have heard it."
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13:55
A jury agreed with them and Katy Perry was on the hook for 2.8 million dollars.
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陪審團認同他們,而凱蒂‧佩芮 要賠兩百八十萬美金。
13:59
Now, if you are an accused songwriter who's never heard the song before,
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如果你是被告的作曲家, 但以前從未聽過那首歌,
前是個站不住腳的位置, 你要如何避免被你可能從未
14:03
that is an untenable position.
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14:04
How are you going to avoid getting shaken down
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14:06
for something that you may have never heard?
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聽過的東西給拉下來?
14:08
Shouldn't there be an easier way?
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沒有比較容易的方式嗎? 在過程的初期不是該有什麼方式
14:10
Shouldn't there be a way that early on in that process
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讓法官或律師能夠舉辦 初期的聽證會,來說明
14:13
for a judge or a lawyer to be able to have an early evidentiary hearing to say
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也許旋律是種數學, 即事實,不能宣告版權。
14:16
maybe melodies are math, which are facts which are not copyrightable.
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或者,也許,沒有證據 可證明後者聽過前者的歌。
14:20
Or maybe there's no evidence showing that this later person
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14:23
has heard the earlier person's song.
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14:24
Maybe the idea of subconscious infringement goes by.
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也許,潛意識侵權的想法就會消失。
14:27
Now if you are a songwriter, you should really care about this
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如果你是作曲家,
你該關注這件事,因為,
14:31
because each day you are walking in a minefield
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你每天都是走在地雷區,
14:34
that you didn't even know was there.
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而你毫不知情。
14:36
You’re trying to avoid every song, whether you’ve heard that song or not.
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你試圖避開每一首歌, 不論你有沒有聽過。
我和諾亞在試圖保存那些開放空間,
14:40
And Noah and I, we're trying to preserve those open spaces
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14:43
so that you can be able to make the music in the public domain
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讓你可以在公有領域 依你想要的方式做音樂,
14:46
in a way that you've always thought it.
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問題不是「這首新歌 是否是我創作的?」
14:48
The question is not: “Have I made this new song or not?”
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14:50
Because no song is new.
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因為沒有歌是新的。
14:51
Noah and I have exhausted the data set.
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我和諾亞把資料集整個都用盡了。
14:53
The real question:
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真正的問題是「我的歌 是在綠色區域還是紅色區域?」
14:55
"Is my song a green song, or is my song a red song?"
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14:57
Or perhaps the real question is:
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或,也許,該問的是,
14:59
Should you have the blank page that everybody thinks is there
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你該不該有一張空白頁,
大家原本都以為存在的空白頁?
15:02
in the first place?
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15:03
If you're a judge or a lawyer,
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如果你是法官或律師,
15:05
think about having an early evidentiary hearing
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考慮一下早點舉辦聽證會, 能夠讓被告可以
15:08
to be able to take the evidenciary burden from the defendant
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卸下要證明他們從未 聽過那首歌的證明重擔,
15:10
to prove negative that they've never heard that song
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讓這個重擔回到它該 隸屬的地方:原告,
15:13
and bring it back to the plaintiff where it belongs,
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15:15
that they have to prove that the other side heard the song.
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原告必須要證明對方聽過那首歌。
他們也得證明那段旋律不只是事實。
15:18
And they have to prove that that melody is more than just a fact.
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15:21
And if you are a song lover, you should really care about this
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如果你是愛歌的聽眾, 你應該要關注這件事,
因為現狀對於作曲家有著寒蟬效應。
15:24
because the current state has a chilling effect on songwriters.
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15:27
Something that I haven't told you is that George Harrison, after the trial,
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我還沒跟各位說的是,
在審判之後,喬治‧哈里森 有好一陣子沒有寫歌。
15:31
he stopped writing music for a while.
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他告訴《滾石》雜誌, 審判後「很難再開始寫歌,因為
15:33
He told "Rolling Stone" that, after the trial,
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"It's hard to start writing again
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15:36
because every song I hear sounds like something else."
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我聽到的每首歌 聽起來都像別的歌。」
那是有原因的,喬治。
15:39
There's a reason for that, George.
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因為就只有這麼多音符, 就只有這麼多旋律。
15:41
Because there are only so many notes.
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15:42
There are only so many melodies.
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而開放空間正在以指數的速度消失。
15:44
And the open spaces are running out exponentially.
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15:48
Now, ironically, Noah and I have made all the melodies
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諷刺的是,我和諾亞 做出了所有的旋律,
15:51
and put them into the public domain
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將它們放在公有領域,
15:53
in an effort to try to give songwriters more freedom,
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目的是希望讓作曲家有更多自由,
15:55
to be able to make more and more music
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能夠寫出更多更多音樂,
15:57
and less fear of accidentally stepping on musical landmines.
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比較不用害怕不小心 踩到音樂地雷。
16:01
Noah and I have made all the music
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我和諾亞做出所有的音樂,
16:03
to be able to allow future songwriters
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讓未來的作曲家
16:06
to make all of their music.
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能夠做出他們所有的音樂。
16:10
Thank you.
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謝謝。
16:11
(Applause)
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