Trebor Scholz: Stuck in the gig economy? Try platform co-ops instead | TED

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Trebor Scholz: Stuck in the gig economy? Try platform co-ops instead | TED

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Meet Esmeralda Flores.
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She is a home cleaner in New York City.
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And like so many home cleaners, she's using a tech platform, an app,
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to connect to clients.
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But unlike other home cleaners, she's making $25 an hour,
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which is twice as much as she used to make at her previous company.
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And she makes a living wage.
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There's no algorithmic boss at her company
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that changes the pay or hours from under her feet,
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so she has some stability for her family.
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And every week, the workers at this company are meeting
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to decide how to run this company.
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They decide on the operations.
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Esmeralda receives training in finance and management,
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and in conflict resolution.
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And it really makes her grow as a person within that company.
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So now, you might be asking, like,
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"What kind of company is that?
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I've never heard of a tech platform that gives benefits like that.
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How do they do that?"
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So the answer is Up and Go,
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and it's not your typical tech platform.
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It’s what is called a “platform cooperative,”
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which means that the workers, the house cleaners,
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are sharing the governance and the ownership of this platform.
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They are deciding on wages, they are deciding on benefits,
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they are deciding what customers are charged.
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And it's a truly democratic workplace,
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and I think that's really what we need more of right now.
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If you think of tech platforms denying workers living wages,
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if you think about them denying them the right to organize,
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and expanding economic inequality in the process,
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I think platform co-ops are one way to change that.
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I know, I know, that for some of you, when you hear the word "co-op,"
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you immediately think of a white guy like me
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standing in a food cooperative in Berkeley,
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selling you vegan cheese, right?
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(Laughter)
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And I love food cooperatives,
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but they are not the only type of cooperative.
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Co-ops are really just a group of people who have a shared need,
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be that vegan cheese or housecleaning,
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and they come together to address that need.
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And that might be a business,
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and sometimes, it takes on other forms,
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but it's always about shared ownership and democratic governance.
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So co-ops are nothing new. You've heard about them.
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The consumer co-ops as we know them today
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exist since 1844, when textile weavers in the north of England
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came together because their pay was cut in half
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and their families were starving,
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so they decided to sell oatmeal and sugar and flour through a store,
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a cooperative.
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Today, cooperatives of agriculture, not just food co-ops, are quite big,
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so you may have heard of Land O'Lakes or Ocean Spray.
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And so, platform cooperatives take the best from these tried-and-true models,
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the 200-year-old model of the cooperative
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and the much younger model of the digital platform,
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and bring them together.
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So here's what makes them different.
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They are made up of a group of people who get an equal vote in decision-making,
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and they are genuinely sharing that process,
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so when it comes to how much customers should be charged,
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how much workers should be paid,
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and also, whether or not data should be collected
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and to whom they are sold.
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And there is another thing that makes them different,
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which is that they are scaling equality.
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And so, take Esmeralda Flores.
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That's where she works in the cleaning industry,
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which has an annual turnover of 75 percent.
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So Esmeralda has been with Up and Go almost since its beginning,
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so for three years.
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And one of the reasons that she stuck with the company
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is that she was paid more.
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So that is significant in the context of,
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typical tech platforms would take between 25 and 50 percent commission,
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which is an exorbitant amount for immigrants,
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who make up the majority of the gig economy workforce.
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So the women at Up and Go decided to take five percent commission,
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which they use to run the platform and pay for credit card bills.
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And 95 percent go to the women, go to the workers themselves.
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And one reason that the company can do that,
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that Esmeralda can be paid so much,
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is that there's no fiduciary duty to the shareholders to maximize profit.
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And here's another thing that makes platform cooperatives different:
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it is that everybody at this company owns it together,
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so it's a shared ownership,
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which means that also the intellectual property of the software
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is owned together.
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That means that they can create a small network of companies,
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like a social franchise,
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and scale up this company,
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to then compete against large tech companies.
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And lastly, consider that Up and Go
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is made up mostly of immigrants from Latin America,
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and if they were a typical gig-economy platform
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and they were out to look for venture-capital funding,
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then the research shows us very clearly
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that the chances of these minority-women-led founder teams
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to find venture-capital funding are very slim, in the single percentile,
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meaning that these women would have never been even able
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to build a platform in the first place,
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or add some much needed diversity to the tech founders' club.
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So, today, there are hundreds of platform co-ops like Up and Go,
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all over the world,
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and they work.
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And they work in more ways than one.
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They work because they are more resilient in times of crisis,
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they are more productive,
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they retain workers longer,
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and often, they pay better.
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So I really believe that platform co-ops are a better, fairer alternative,
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and that's why a few years ago, together with a few friends,
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I started the Platform Cooperativism Consortium --
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try to say that three times, fast --
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at The New School in New York City.
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And essentially, what we do is we support platform cooperatives,
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digital cooperative projects, all over the world.
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We are working with 500 projects and businesses in over 30 countries.
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But let me just give you a bit of a taste of this.
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I have two examples that are really close to my heart.
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One is Co-op Ride,
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which is a driver-owned taxi platform with some 3,500 drivers
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that make between 10 and 30 percent more
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than the drivers on these large ride-hailing platforms.
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The passengers pay five percent less.
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And already, despite this being a very new company,
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it's already one of the largest worker cooperatives in the United States.
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Second, Fairbnb,
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which is a community-focused alternative to short-term rental platforms
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and will soon be available in 120 cities and villages
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with over 4,500 hosts.
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Half of Fairbnb's commission goes to community projects.
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One of those is a food-distribution center in Genoa, Italy.
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Now, I know, I know, you might be wondering,
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when you hear about Up and Go, Fairbnb and Co-op Ride,
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you might be wondering,
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"How is this not a total mess?"
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So the entrepreneurs among you must be thinking,
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"God, democratic workplace?"
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And the answer is, "Well, they do what everybody else is doing,"
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which is they are hiring management.
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And they are hiring tech workers.
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But there's one big difference, right?
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And that is that the rules of operation are decided by all.
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So the management executes the rules
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that were actually decided by all the people in this company.
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I've told you about platform co-ops mostly in the labor sector,
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and also transportation, mobility and short-term rental,
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but they can also transform entire sectors,
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such as the care sector,
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culture and the arts, higher education
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and the data economy.
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I mean, just imagine, if our data would be managed cooperatively,
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cooperative data trusts,
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data cooperatives.
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Or imagine a social-media cooperative,
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where the users own the platform
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and decide what is done with the data,
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which data are collected and to whom they are sold,
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So one where there is no fiduciary duty to shareholders,
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to maximize profits,
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so that you can actually build in privacy and transparency
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and really bring the benefits back to those who actually generated the data.
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So I know we are here, near Silicon Valley,
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so I can see that, I'm sure, for many of you,
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you will think, "Wow, I'm not so sure about this.
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I mean, this would just never scale, right?"
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I've heard this many times.
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And it doesn't, right?
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It doesn't scale like traditional Silicon Valley companies.
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Well, it kind of does.
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Up and Go's sales increased by 97 percent,
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from 2018 to 2019,
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but that's really not the objective.
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The platform cooperatives are not about going public,
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they are not about maximizing profits.
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They scale differently,
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they scale more affordably than brick-and-mortar cooperatives.
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They scale by creating networks of companies
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that then compete against large companies.
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They scale more quickly,
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because their co-op can be anywhere in the world,
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and they scale democracy,
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because they can be decentralized through crypto networks and blockchain.
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And that is why I want instructors to teach about this model
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in law schools and business schools.
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That's why I want entrepreneurs to start one
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instead of another traditional tech platform.
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And that’s why I want incubators to include this model
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and also unions to start platform cooperatives.
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And that’s why I want ethical social impact investors
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to consider them and create an amazing legacy of equality.
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Now, I'm not here to tell you
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that this one model will eradicate economic inequality forever.
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It's not, right?
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But what we need is more variety in the economy.
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We need small, unionized private businesses,
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we need employee ownership,
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and we need platform cooperatives.
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We face big challenges.
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But here's what gives me a lot of hope.
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When markets fail
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and the safety nets of governments break down,
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people turn to each other, right?
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People start to cooperate by forming food cooperatives
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so that they can feed themselves during a crisis.
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They start to form platform cooperatives
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so that they can clean homes and still make a living wage.
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And when markets and governments
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for too long failed to address structural racism and inequality,
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people form institutions,
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like the Black Panthers' Free Breakfast Program for Children
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and the AFL-CIO, the largest federation of unions in the United States.
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So we saw democracy,
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or the aspiration to participatory democracy,
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spread across countries around the world,
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and now, it's time for it to spread in the workplace.
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Thank you.
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(Applause)
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