My Quest to Cure Prion Disease — Before It’s Too Late | Sonia Vallabh | TED

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I'm here because of a letter I got 13 years ago.
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A letter from the future.
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This is it.
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It's a predictive genetic test report.
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And it's at the heart of this sort of red pill-blue pill moment
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when my life forked in two.
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Before I tell you about that,
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I want to show you two moments from my life back then.
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This is moment number one. It's August 2009.
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I’m marrying this guy, Eric, love of my life.
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And he gets up there to give his speech
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and he's holding my diary from when I was 13.
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And he starts reading from it, and the guests are looking at me like,
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"Did she know he was going to do this?"
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Guys, if you're watching, I knew.
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OK, this is me and my mom.
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You can see how she’s laughing but she’s kind of scandalized.
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(Laughter)
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She’s 51 years old and on this day, she is glowing.
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I wish I could stay here with you.
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But now I have to take you to moment number two.
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It's only six months later,
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and suddenly there's this tear in the universe,
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and my mom is being sucked through it.
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No one can tell us what's wrong, but something is really, really wrong.
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And it is snowballing. And it is everything.
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She's confused about who she is,
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where she is.
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She's scared. She's hallucinating.
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She is too weak to walk.
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This is happening on a timescale of weeks.
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I’m looking into her eyes, and they are these black holes,
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and I am begging her to come back, but it's like I'm shouting into the void.
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That summer, she goes into the hospital, and she doesn’t come out.
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By the time she dies,
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it has been months since she was really there.
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We don't get a present tense goodbye.
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Dementia has robbed us of that.
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And we still have no idea what happened.
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And then we get the results of my mom's autopsy.
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And this is where we reach the red pill and the blue pill.
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The report tells us that my mom died of genetic prion disease.
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And that I am at 50-50 risk
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of having inherited the single-letter DNA typo that caused it.
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Prion disease kills about 1 in 6,000 people.
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But most cases aren't genetic.
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They're random.
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So it's maybe 1 in 50,000 people
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that has a high-risk mutation like this one.
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I stand at this fork in the road with Eric.
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And sometimes in life you know yourself.
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We realize there is no fork.
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We want to know.
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I'm trained as a lawyer. He's trained as a transportation engineer.
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We are not biomedical people,
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but we know that for us, this limbo isn't life.
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I can't control what happens next,
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but I can control whether something happens next.
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And my choice is yes.
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So I get tested, and we learn that I have the mutation.
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(Sighs)
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What does this mean for me? For us?
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Genetic prion disease is always fatal.
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We can't say when it will strike,
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only that it will be some point in adulthood,
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and once it does, you die in months.
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We have just watched it happen.
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There's so much I want to tell you about what happens next,
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but the main thing to say
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is that it's not like we hatch some master plan
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to remake our lives overnight.
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It's not that dramatic.
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It's more plantlike.
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We’re in the dark, and we find ourselves growing towards the light.
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And unexpectedly the light is coming
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from the science of prion disease.
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Understanding what is known, that anything is known --
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we are drawn to it.
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And this is really humble at first,
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like we're reading Wikipedia pages and we're doing Google searches,
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and the momentum is powerful and strange.
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We invite scientist friends over to teach us stuff,
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and we sign up for night classes,
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and we leave our careers for entry level lab jobs.
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And we go back to school to get our PhDs in biological and biomedical sciences.
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And today, we're leading this lab of twelve people
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at the Broad Institute in Cambridge, Massachusetts,
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devoted to developing a therapy for prion disease in our lifetimes.
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(Applause)
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Thank you.
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That's our life.
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And --
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Leading this life has certain liabilities.
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Like ...
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things can get macabre if you Google search my name.
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And if you click on "obituary," dang.
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Bottom line, rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated.
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(Laughter)
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OK, but let's talk about how prion disease works
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and what we need to do about it.
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Prion disease is unique in all of biology.
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The causal pathogen isn’t a virus, and it’s not a bacterium.
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It's this one normal protein called PrP that you normally have in your body.
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And it's normally not a problem, but it is capable of going rogue.
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And when it does, it changes shape.
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And then it goes around grabbing other copies of PrP,
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and it corrupts those.
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And this spreads through your brain and kills your neurons.
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Until recently, this was a process we could only infer.
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But now, thanks to state-of-the-art single-molecule imaging,
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we can observe it directly.
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Shown here at TED for the first time,
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I am so pleased to present to you the prion misfolding cascade in action.
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(Laughter)
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They like the joke. OK. I knew we were going to get along. OK.
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I swear I have a point, though.
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When you look at the biology of this disease, any disease,
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where do your eyes go?
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They go to the train wreck. Right?
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Look at those scary rogue proteins.
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And if we think about how to treat this disease,
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we might think, go get those bad guys.
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Pew, pew! Yeah. Like that.
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But Eric and I have come to see our mission differently.
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What if we can do the most good
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not by going after
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the big scary pathogens
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and lobbing fireballs at them,
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but instead by doing something much more understated and subtle,
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and less sexy and less conventional.
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What if what we really need to do is this?
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Long before disease begins,
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we use a drug to ask this not-yet-pathogenic protein
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to please go away.
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We're lucky to have the series of clues from nature
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that indicate you can live a healthy life without PrP.
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So we’re scouring the globe for tools to dial it down.
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And brilliant ideas are an awesome start,
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but they also have to be wrangleable into actual, practical medicines
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that stay in the body long enough to be useful
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and are safe and manufacturable and -- very tricky for the brain --
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get to the cells we need to reach.
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It's a complicated search.
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But I do just want to assure you,
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because I see you twitching, wanting to ask me,
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I promise we most definitely have heard of CRISPR.
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OK.
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(Laughter)
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So you take the molecule, right? We find the molecule.
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And then we deploy it to deplete the fuel before the fire.
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Why get hung up on timing?
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Because your brain isn't any other organ.
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Your brain is what makes you you.
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Our greatest good isn't a drug that will stabilize me or anyone else
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mid-train wreck, one foot in the void.
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Where we have letters from the future to guide us,
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where what's at stake is irreplaceable human brains,
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we have to aim higher.
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We have to prevent.
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Come to find out, prevention isn't business as usual.
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Clinical trials are basically always done in sick patients post-train wreck.
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This is what's comfortable.
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But we all know if you're having a heart attack
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and you walk into the ER at that moment
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and they give you a statin, it won't help.
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Prevention and treatment are different goals.
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And some of us don't have the luxury of doing only what's comfortable.
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I see this paradox at the heart of our mission.
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For sure, we are being summoned to be audacious.
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We know so much more about the brain and how to get drugs there
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than we did even a few years ago.
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We know so much about prion disease.
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Not everything, but we have enough bricks in the wall
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that we can stand on them and reach for a rational therapy.
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We have to be the people to say the biotechnological moment is ripe.
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It's time to dare greatly.
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And ...
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equally ...
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we have to respect the vastly larger universe
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of everything we don't know about the brain.
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We have to heed the call to protect what we can't rebuild.
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The hutzpah and the humility.
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Our quest requires this kind of extreme form of both.
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So what is daily life like in the trenches?
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A decade ago, if you had asked me,
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"Sonia, what's the holy grail of your quest?"
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I would have said it's that molecule I told you about.
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We need the structure of the molecule.
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But what if finding the molecule isn't enough?
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It turns out to meaningfully test a new medicine in humans,
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especially for rare disease and especially for prevention,
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you need more, you need a lot more.
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And if you're us, you need to be building it all in parallel
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because you are racing against the clock you can't see.
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So before our eyes, our scope has expanded from this ...
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to this.
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It's a lot.
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(Laughs)
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And maybe you're wondering how it's all going.
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Here's what I can say.
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There will be the race to the first drug and the race to the best drug.
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We’re far from the end of this quest, but we’re far from the beginning.
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We don't have any guarantees.
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Darn.
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But what we do have,
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and gosh, are we lucky to have it,
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is jeopardy!
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There's more to say
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about what it's like to live with jeopardy,
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but as far as I can tell, at least, you all are human,
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and so I think on some level, you know.
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Recently, I told a friend that I consider myself lucky,
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and he gets all surprised.
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He's like, "Even with the mutation?"
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And my mind was kind of blown because this is me.
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There's no version of my life where you subtract the mutation
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and hold the rest constant.
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On the one hand, I got dealt a bad card.
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And don't get me wrong, I really don't want to die young.
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At the same time,
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this bad card has launched me on a quest with a team.
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And the wonder of this exact life
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is that I am constantly getting to meet people's best selves,
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including versions of Eric and me,
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that I wouldn't have encountered any other way.
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(Sighs)
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Does everything happen for a reason?
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I don't know, guys. Probably not.
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And yet here we all are making our own grace
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out of the darndest raw materials.
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It is not such a bad thing to be called to notice.
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Speaking of grace,
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I want you to meet these guys.
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These are our kids.
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Daruka is the big one, Kavari is the also big one.
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We had them through IVF with preimplantation genetic testing
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to avoid passing on my mutation.
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The slogan says it all.
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(Laughter)
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My mom never got to meet these kids,
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and she would have been a luminous grandma.
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But if she had, we wouldn't have known about my risk in time
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to avoid passing it on.
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So somewhere wrapped up in the grief of having lost her so young
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is this other thing, this transgenerational gift.
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I'm walking alongside these kids on their own journeys as best I can.
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And you know how it is with kids.
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Sometimes the shape of the future begs to be assumed.
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X number of years until Y.
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This parade of milestones. This storyboard.
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But here again is a luxury not all of us have.
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And perhaps, in ways large and small,
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it's a luxury none of us have.
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What would it mean to do all of this less narratively?
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What if our lives, our lives together,
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are best lived not as prose, but as poetry?
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I'm still living into this question, but I'm glad to have it with me.
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Folks, thank you and wish us luck.
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We need it.
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(Applause)
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Chris Anderson: That’s, um --
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That's extraordinary. I've got a question.
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This is a rare disease,
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but it feels as if some of what you're learning
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is going to end up applicable to other diseases.
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Are you already seeing signs of that?
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Sonia Vallabh: I see it in all sorts of ways.
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And this is how it goes with science, right?
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And I see it on many levels.
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And, you know, the thing that I would highlight is that --
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Here we are with this disease that is in some ways very black and white.
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You develop symptoms, and then you die three or six months later.
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And what's happening?
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Irreplaceable neurons are dying at an unbelievable rate.
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So I think we have a case, you know,
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here is a monogenic disease, one gene, one protein.
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We know what we have to do.
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I think we have a strong case to go in and say we need to prevent,
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and we have the tools to do it.
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But this is not the only disease where that is what we need to do.
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I just think we are in a position to lead the charge.
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CA: The idea that there are other proteins in the body
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that may be subject to a disease,
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and that it may be that the better thing to do is to take them out
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and figure out how to live without them, than to risk --
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that that could be applied in other circumstances.
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Absolutely.
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It's an extraordinary idea. You're an extraordinary person, if I may.
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Thank you so much for coming. Thank you.
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