English Conversation Lesson: Work, Jobs, and Daily Life

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋œ ์ž๋ง‰์€ ๊ธฐ๊ณ„ ๋ฒˆ์—ญ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

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Vanessa: Are you readyย ย 
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to immerse yourself in a realย  English conversation? Hi,ย ย 
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Vanessa:
์ง„์งœ ์˜์–ด ๋Œ€ํ™”์— ํ‘น ๋น ์งˆ ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ๋˜์…จ๋‚˜์š” ? ์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”,
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I'm Vanessa from speakenglishwithvanessa.comย  and today I'm here with my husband, Dan.
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์ €๋Š” talkenglishwithvanessa.com์˜ Vanessa์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋Š˜์€ ๋‚จํŽธ Dan๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ด ์ž๋ฆฌ์— ์„ฐ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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Dan: Hello.
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00:11
Vanessa: And we are goingย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
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to be talking about work, some of our workย  experiences, and some experiences that mightย ย 
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์ผ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์—…๋ฌด ๊ฒฝํ—˜, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
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relate to you as well. During this lesson, you'reย  going to see some key vocabulary appear here,ย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ๋„ ๊ด€๋ จ์ด ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ—˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•˜๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ฃผ์š” ์–ดํœ˜๊ฐ€ ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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but I also want to encourage you, if you want toย  understand every single word that we're saying,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋˜ํ•œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๋ฉด
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you can click CC to view the fullย  subtitles for this conversation.
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CC๋ฅผ ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์—ฌ ์ด ๋Œ€ํ™”์˜ ์ „์ฒด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. .
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And like always, I have created a free PDFย  worksheet, which is here over Dan's face.ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์–ธ์ œ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋žฌ๋“ฏ์ด ์ €๋Š” ๋ฌด๋ฃŒ PDF ์›Œํฌ์‹œํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ๊ณ  ์—ฌ๊ธฐ Dan์˜ ์–ผ๊ตด ์œ„์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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You can download this free worksheetย  with all of today's key vocabulary,ย ย 
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์˜ค๋Š˜์˜ ์ฃผ์š” ์–ดํœ˜,
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definitions, and sample sentences.ย  Plus, at the bottom of the worksheet,ย ย 
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์ •์˜, ์ƒ˜ํ”Œ ๋ฌธ์žฅ์ด ๋ชจ๋‘ ํฌํ•จ๋œ ์ด ๋ฌด๋ฃŒ ์›Œํฌ์‹œํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋‹ค์šด๋กœ๋“œํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ํ•œ ์›Œํฌ์‹œํŠธ ํ•˜๋‹จ์—๋Š”
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you can answer Vanessa's challenge questionย  so that you never forget what you've learned.ย ย 
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ํ•™์Šตํ•œ ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ์ ˆ๋Œ€ ์žŠ์ง€ ์•Š๋„๋ก Vanessa์˜ ๋„์ „ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋‹ตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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You can click on the link in the descriptionย  to download that free PDF worksheet today.
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์„ค๋ช…์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋งํฌ๋ฅผ ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ์ง€๊ธˆ ๋ฌด๋ฃŒ PDF ์›Œํฌ์‹œํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋‹ค์šด๋กœ๋“œํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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All right. Dan, are you ready to get started?
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๊ดœ์ฐฎ์€. ๋Œ„, ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ๋˜์…จ๋‚˜์š”?
01:02
Dan: I'm ready. Let's do it.
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๋Œ„: ๋‚œ ์ค€๋น„๋์–ด. ํ•ด๋ณด์ž.
01:04
Vanessa: Today, Iย ย 
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have five work-related questions, includingย  a little quiz about some work vocabulary thatย ย 
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Vanessa: ์˜ค๋Š˜์€ Dan์ด ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ๋Š” ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์—…๋ฌด
๊ด€๋ จ ์–ดํœ˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•œ ํ€ด์ฆˆ๋ฅผ ํฌํ•จํ•˜์—ฌ ๋‹ค์„ฏ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์—…๋ฌด ๊ด€๋ จ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:13
I don't know if Dan will know. Maybe heย  will. Maybe you will know it. We'll see.
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์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‘๊ณ  ๋ณด์ž.
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Dan: We'll see. We both have non-traditional jobs.
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๋Œ„: ๋‘๊ณ  ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ๋น„์ „ํ†ต์ ์ธ ์ง์—…์„ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
01:22
Vanessa: Yeah.
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Dan: So we'll see what I know about work vocabulary.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
Dan: ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์—…๋ฌด ๊ด€๋ จ ์–ดํœ˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ์‚ดํŽด๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:25
Vanessa: Yep. Allย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
01:26
right. Let's start with our first question.
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๊ดœ์ฐฎ์€. ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:28
All right. Dan, my first question is,ย  tell us about your first job. What was it?
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๊ดœ์ฐฎ์€. ๋Œ„, ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์ง์—…์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€ํ•ด๋‹ฌ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
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Dan: My first job ever?
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๋Œ„: ๋‚ด ์ฒซ ์ง์žฅ์ด์š”?
01:35
Vanessa: Yep.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
01:36
Dan: Well, my first job was a paper route,ย ย 
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Dan: ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์ œ ์ฒซ ์ง์—…์€ ์ข…์ด ๋ฐฐ๋‹ฌ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:39
which is where you take the newspaper and youย  go and deliver it to your neighborhood. Now,ย ย 
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์‹ ๋ฌธ์„ ๊ฐ€์ ธ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๋™๋„ค์— ๋ฐฐ๋‹ฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณณ์ด์—ˆ์ฃ . ์ด์ œ,ย ย  ์ €๋Š”
01:46
I'm pretty sure that this was probably aย  job that my dad said, "Hey, the boys needย ย 
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์•„๋ฒ„์ง€๊ฐ€ "์–˜๋“คํ•œํ…Œ
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a job. Get them a paper route." I had no sayย  in this and I was probably... I think I was 12.
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์ผ์ž๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•ด. ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ข…์ด ๊ฒฝ๋กœ๋ฅผ ์•Œ๋ ค์ค˜"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์…จ๋˜ ์ง์—…์ด์—ˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ์ด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์—ˆ๊ณ  ์•„๋งˆ๋„... ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” 12์‚ด์ด์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:58
Vanessa: Okay.
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01:58
Dan: 12 or 13,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ์ข‹์•„์š”.
Dan: 12์‚ด์ด๋‚˜ 13์‚ด,
01:59
so I was kind of young. We didn't do it onย  bikes or anything. We weren't able to chuckย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ข€ ์–ด๋ ธ์–ด์š”. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ž์ „๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ ์–ด๋–ค ๊ฒƒ์—์„œ๋„ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ์ซ“์•„๋‚ผ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
02:04
them out. You know how there's peopleย  on a bike and they throw the newspaper?
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. ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ž์ „๊ฑฐ๋ฅผ ํƒ€๊ณ  ์‹ ๋ฌธ์„ ๋˜์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•„์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
02:09
Vanessa: Oh, yeah. In movies, I've seen that.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•„, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์š”. ์˜ํ™”์—์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค.
02:11
Dan: Yeah. We weren'tย ย 
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allowed to do that. We were supposedย  to gently set it on the doorstep.
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฌธ์•ž์— ๋ถ€๋“œ๋Ÿฝ๊ฒŒ ๋†“์•„๋‘๊ธฐ๋กœ ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:14
Vanessa: Oh, that's real life.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•„, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ํ˜„์‹ค์ด๊ตฌ๋‚˜.
02:16
Dan: Yeah. I didn't like it,ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“ค์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด
02:17
though, because I had to wake up really early.ย  They deliver the newspaper in huge stacks andย ย 
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์ •๋ง ์ผ์ฐ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜์•ผ ํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹ ๋ฌธ์„ ์ž”๋œฉ ์Œ“์•„์„œ ๋ฐฐ๋‹ฌํ•ด์ฃผ๊ณ ,
02:22
we had to roll each one and put it in a bag, andย  then I had to walk the neighborhood really earlyย ย 
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ํ•˜๋‚˜ํ•˜๋‚˜ ๋ง์•„์„œ ๊ฐ€๋ฐฉ์— ๋„ฃ์–ด์•ผ ํ–ˆ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์„œ ์•„์ฃผ ์ด๋ฅธ ์•„์นจ์— ๋™๋„ค๋ฅผ ๋Œ์•„๋‹ค๋…€์•ผ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”
02:28
in the morning. My least favorite part by farย  was that people's dogs would just jump out andย ย 
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. ์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“ค์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋˜ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ๊ฐœ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ‘์ž๊ธฐ ํŠ€์–ด๋‚˜์™€์„œ
02:35
scare you. I remember one time I actually kicked aย  dog because it scared me so bad and then... Yeah.
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๊ฒ์„ ์ค€๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ์€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ฒ์ด ๋‚˜์„œ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ฐœ๋ฅผ ๊ฑท์–ด์ฐผ๋˜ ๊ธฐ์–ต์ด ๋‚ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋Š”... ๋„ค.
02:43
Vanessa: It justย ย 
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ
02:44
jumped out at you and your reflex was to kick it?
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ํŠ€์–ด๋‚˜์™€์„œ ๋ฐ˜์‚ฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ฐจ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์˜€๋‚˜์š”?
02:47
Dan: Right. And itย ย 
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๋Œ„: ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
02:48
was like this big, too, and I felt reallyย  bad afterwards, but it really scared me.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์ด์ •๋„๋กœ ์ปธ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์ค‘์—๋Š” ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์ •๋ง ์•ˆ ์ข‹์•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ •๋ง ๋ฌด์„œ์› ์–ด์š”.
02:52
Vanessa: Okay. Okay.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•Œ์•˜์–ด. ์ข‹์•„์š”.
02:53
Dan: First job.
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๋Œ„: ์ฒซ ์ง์žฅ์ด์—์š”.
02:54
Vanessa: Because you were 12 years old, thisย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋‹น์‹ ์€ 12์„ธ์˜€๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ด
02:56
is under the age that you typically work. So wereย  you paid under the table or how did that work?
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๋‚˜์ด๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๋‚˜์ด๋ณด๋‹ค ์ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋น„๋ฐ€๋ฆฌ์— ๊ธ‰์—ฌ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์•˜๋‚˜์š”? ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ž‘๋™ํ–ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
03:02
Dan: No, I don'tย ย 
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Dan: ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”,
03:03
think we were. I don't remember the details ofย  getting paid. I remember it was not very much.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿด ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€๊ธ‰ ์„ธ๋ถ€์ •๋ณด๊ฐ€ ๊ธฐ์–ต๋‚˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋ณ„๋กœ ๋งŽ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:08
Vanessa: Were you motivatedย ย 
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Vanessa:
03:10
by money at all at that point like, "Oh, I got aย  job. I'll get some money. I can buy some toys"?
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๊ทธ ์‹œ์ ์— "์•„, ๋‚˜ ์ทจ์งํ–ˆ์–ด . ๋ˆ ์ข€ ๋ฒŒ๊ฒŒ. ์žฅ๋‚œ๊ฐ ์ข€ ์‚ด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด"์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋ˆ์— ์˜ํ•ด ๋™๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋ถ€์—ฌ๋˜์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
03:15
Dan: Yes. Yes,ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ๋„ค. ๋„ค,
03:16
I was. I do remember that, withย  that money, I bought a Nintendo 64.
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๊ทธ๋žฌ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ ๋ˆ์œผ๋กœ Nintendo 64๋ฅผ ์ƒ€๋˜ ๊ธฐ์–ต์ด ๋‚˜๋„ค์š”.
03:20
Vanessa: Oh, really?ย ย 
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Vanessa: ์•„, ์ •๋ง์š”?
03:21
Okay. So you made enough money toย  actually buy something pretty big.
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์ข‹์•„์š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ฝค ํฐ ๋ฌผ๊ฑด์„ ์‚ด ๋งŒํผ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•œ ๋ˆ์„ ๋ฒŒ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:24
Dan: Yes. Yes, I mostlyย ย 
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๋Œ„: ๋„ค. ๋„ค, ์ €๋Š”
03:26
bought video games at that point in my life.
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๊ทธ ์‹œ์ ์— ์ฃผ๋กœ ๋น„๋””์˜ค ๊ฒŒ์ž„์„ ๊ตฌ์ž…ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:28
Vanessa: Okay. Okay.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•Œ์•˜์–ด. ์ข‹์•„์š”.
03:29
Dan: Yeah. Those were the big goals back then.
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ๊ทธ ๋‹น์‹œ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ํฐ ๋ชฉํ‘œ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:31
Vanessa: Okay. Well, I think-
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•Œ์•˜์–ด. ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—”-
03:33
Dan: How about you? What was your first job?
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Dan: ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์–ด๋•Œ์š”? ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์ง์—…์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
03:35
Vanessa: For me, my first job was pretty typical.ย ย 
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Vanessa: ์ œ ์ฒซ ์ง์žฅ์€ ๊ฝค ํ‰๋ฒ”ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
03:40
I feel like maybe it's mostly girls, but a lotย  of Americans, when you're 13 or 14 years old,ย ย 
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„ ์—ฌ์ž์•„์ด๋“ค์ผ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์ง€๋งŒ, ๋งŽ์€ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ธ๋“ค์€ 13~14์„ธ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋ฉด
03:48
you start babysitting the neighborhood kids.ย  So I babysat the neighborhood kids, I think,ย ย 
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๋™๋„ค ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ๋Œ๋ณด๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋™๋„ค ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ๋Œ๋ดค๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
03:55
when I was 13 years old, the little girlย  across the street who now is probably anย ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ 13์‚ด์ด์—ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ๊ธธ ๊ฑด๋„ˆํŽธ์— ์žˆ๋˜ ์–ด๋ฆฐ ์†Œ๋…€๊ฐ€ ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์•„๋งˆ
03:59
adult. She was just a baby. Not super little,ย  maybe one or two years old. I would go over toย ย 
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์–ด๋ฅธ์ด ๋์„ ๊ฑฐ์—์š”. ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ๋‹จ์ง€ ์•„๊ธฐ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์ฃผ ์ž‘์€ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ณ , ํ•œ๋‘ ์‚ด์ฏค ๋์„ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:08
her house when her parents went out on a dateย  for a couple hours and I just played with her.
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์ด ๋ช‡ ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋™์•ˆ ๋ฐ์ดํŠธ๋ฅผ ํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ ์ง‘์— ๊ฐ€์„œ ๊ฐ™์ด ๋†€๊ณค ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
04:13
I remember when she went to bed, when the babyย  went to bed, I guess I somehow helped the babyย ย 
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๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ ์ž ์ž๋ฆฌ์— ๋“ค์—ˆ์„ ๋•Œ, ์•„๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์ž ์ž๋ฆฌ์— ๋“ค์—ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋“  ์•„๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์ž ์ž๋ฆฌ์— ๋“ค๋„๋ก ๋„์™€ ์ค€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
04:20
go to bed. I would do the dishes for them. Iย  cleaned up their playroom. I did some choresย ย 
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. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์„ค๊ฑฐ์ง€๋ฅผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ ์•„์ด๋“ค์˜ ๋†€์ด๋ฐฉ์„ ์ฒญ์†Œํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š”
04:27
around the house that the parents didn't ask me toย  do. Every single time when the parents came home,ย ย 
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๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์ด ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ์‹œํ‚ค์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์ง‘์•ˆ์ผ์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์ด ์ง‘์— ์˜ค์‹ค ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค
04:33
they were like, "Vanessa, you didn'tย  need to do this. This is amazing."ย ย 
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'๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ, ๋„Œ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•  ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์—†์—ˆ์–ด. ์ •๋ง ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•ด'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
04:37
And I always thought like, "Well, whatย  else am I supposed to do? You're payingย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ "๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ญ˜ ๋” ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜์ง€? ๋‹น์‹ ์€
04:41
me to be here to watch your kid and yourย  kid's asleep." But now that I'm an adult-
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์•„์ด์™€ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์•„์ด๊ฐ€ ์ž ๋“ค์–ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ง€์ผœ๋ณด๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ๋ˆ์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•˜๋Š”๊ตฐ์š”."๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด์ œ ์–ด๋ฅธ์ด ๋์œผ๋‹ˆ-
04:46
Dan: That's why Vanessa is a good worker.
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ Vanessa๊ฐ€ ์ผ์„ ์ž˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
04:48
Vanessa: Now that I'm an adult,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ์ด์ œ ์–ด๋ฅธ์ด ๋์œผ๋‹ˆ
04:49
if I paid a babysitter and my kids wereย  asleep and I came home to a clean house...
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๋ฒ ์ด๋น„์‹œํ„ฐ ๋น„์šฉ์„ ์ง€๋ถˆํ•˜๊ณ  ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ์ž๊ณ  ๊นจ๋—ํ•œ ์ง‘์œผ๋กœ ์ง‘์— ๋Œ์•„์™”๋‹ค๋ฉด...
04:55
Dan: I would get onย ย 
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Dan: ๋ฐ”๋‹ฅ ์— ์—Ž๋“œ๋ ค
04:56
the floor and bow to this person.ย  I'd be, "Thank you. I love you."
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์ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ ์ ˆ์„ ํ–ˆ์„ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”. ๋‚˜๋Š” "๊ณ ๋งˆ์›Œ์š”. ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•ด์š”."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:59
Vanessa: I know. Wheneverย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•Œ์•„์š”. ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ผ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ๋งˆ์น˜๊ณ 
05:01
our parents come and they do the dishes forย  us at the end of the day, after we're eatingย ย 
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๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์ด ์˜ค์…”์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ์„ค๊ฑฐ์ง€๋ฅผ ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹ค ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค , ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€
05:06
dinner and we're giving the kids a bath, it'sย  so helpful. So those little things I think.
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์ €๋…์„ ๋จน๊ณ  ๋‚˜์„œ, ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ๋ชฉ์š•์‹œ์ผœ ์ฃผ์‹œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ํฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ทธ ์ž‘์€ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค.
05:10
Dan: Yeah. That's my job,ย ย 
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05:10
too, so I would be extra thankful.
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋„ ๋‚ด ์ผ์ด๋‹ˆ๊นŒ
๋”์šฑ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
05:12
Vanessa: Oh, the dishes?
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•„, ์ ‘์‹œ์š”?
05:14
Dan: Mm-hmm.
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05:14
Vanessa: Yeah. Yeah.ย ย 
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05:14
That was my first job and I think it was prettyย  typical. I was just paid in cash under the table,ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์Œ-ํ .
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ์‘.
๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‚ด ์ฒซ ์ง์žฅ์ด์—ˆ๊ณ  ๊ฝค ์ „ํ˜•์ ์ธ ์ผ์ด์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š” . ๋‚˜๋Š” ํ…Œ์ด๋ธ” ๋ฐ‘์—์„œ ํ˜„๊ธˆ์œผ๋กœ ๊ธ‰์—ฌ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์•˜์„ ๋ฟ
05:21
nothing official. And I babysat throughoutย  all of high school, various kids. To me,ย ย 
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๊ณต์‹์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๊ณ ๋“ฑํ•™๊ต ๋‚ด๋‚ด ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ โ€‹โ€‹์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ๋Œ๋ณด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ๋Š”
05:27
it always seemed like a pretty easyย  job. Being a parent is not an easy job,ย ย 
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ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ฝค ์‰ฌ์šด ์ผ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ณด์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋ถ€๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์‰ฌ์šด ์ผ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ,
05:32
but being a babysitter, you're playingย  with kids, you're just doing the fun stuff.
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๋ฒ ์ด๋น„์‹œํ„ฐ๊ฐ€ ๋˜์–ด ์•„์ด๋“ค๊ณผ ๋†€๊ณ , ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:37
Dan: Depending on how many kids.
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๋Œ„: ์•„์ด๊ฐ€ ๋ช‡ ๋ช…์ธ์ง€์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ์š”.
05:38
Vanessa: Yeah. And how nice they were.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์นœ์ ˆํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€.
05:40
Dan: It's get harder with every kid,ย ย 
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Dan: ๋ชจ๋“  ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ์ ์  ์–ด๋ ค์›Œ์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:41
yeah, add to that equation.
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๋„ค, ๋ฐฉ์ •์‹์— ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
05:42
Vanessa: I feel like,ย ย 
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Vanessa:
05:43
though, parents, when they leave theirย  small children with a babysitter,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜๋“ค์€ ์–ด๋ฆฐ ์ž๋…€๋ฅผ ๋ฒ ์ด๋น„์‹œํ„ฐ์—๊ฒŒ ๋งก๊ธฐ์‹ค ๋•Œ
05:47
they really try to... At least the familiesย  I watched, they would be like, "All right.ย ย 
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์ •๋ง ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜์‹œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”... ์ ์–ด๋„ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ณธ ๊ฐ€์กฑ๋“ค์€ '์ข‹์•„์š”.
05:51
Here's all the toys. We have a special snack,"ย  and it's like a special occasion and Vanessa,ย ย 
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์žฅ๋‚œ๊ฐ์ด ๋‹ค ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ํŠน๋ณ„ํ•œ ๊ฐ„์‹." ํŠน๋ณ„ํ•œ ํ–‰์‚ฌ ๊ฐ™์•„์„œ
05:56
the babysitter, is coming. It's not realย  life. When you're a parent, it's realย ย 
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๋ฒ ์ด๋น„์‹œํ„ฐ์ธ Vanessa๊ฐ€ ์˜ต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹ค์ œ ์ƒํ™œ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋ผ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์‹ค์ œ
06:00
life and you're doing the hard stuff. But as aย  babysitter, it was like fun times, party times.
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์ƒํ™œ์ด๊ณ  ์–ด๋ ค์šด ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ฒ ์ด๋น„์‹œํ„ฐ๋กœ์„œ ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์šด ์‹œ๊ฐ„, ํŒŒํ‹ฐ ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๊ฐ™์•˜์–ด์š”.
06:05
Dan: Yeah. I babysat four a couple times.
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋„ค ๋ช…์„ ๋ช‡ ๋ฒˆ ๋Œ๋ด์ฃผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:08
Vanessa: Four kids?
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•„์ด๊ฐ€ ๋„ค ๋ช…์ด์š”?
06:09
Dan: Mm-hmm.
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06:09
Vanessa: Oh, how'd that go?
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๋Œ„: ์Œ-ํ .
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์˜ค, ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋์–ด์š”?
06:10
Dan: It was pretty crazy, mostly.
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Dan: ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„ ์ •๋ง ๋ฏธ์นœ ์ง“์ด์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
06:13
Vanessa: Yeah?
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06:13
Dan: Yeah.
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06:13
Vanessa: How old were you when you did that?
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘?
๋Œ„: ์‘.
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๊ทธ ์ผ์„ ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ช‡ ์‚ด์ด์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
06:15
Dan: 16, 17.
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๋Œ„: 16, 17.
06:16
Vanessa: Okay. Okay.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์ข‹์•„์š”. ์ข‹์•„์š”.
06:17
Dan: Yeah. I was a little bit older and-
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ข€ ๋” ๋‚˜์ด๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์•˜๊ณ -
06:19
Vanessa: Was it like...
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06:19
Dan: ... it's a family friend.
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋žฌ๋‚˜์š”...
Dan: ... ๊ฐ€์กฑ ์นœ๊ตฌ์˜ˆ์š”.
06:20
Vanessa: Okay.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•Œ์•˜์–ด.
06:21
Dan: Yeah.
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06:21
Vanessa: People that you knew?
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๋Œ„: ์‘.
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์•„๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด์š”?
06:22
Dan: Yeah.
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06:22
Vanessa: All right. Well, let's go onย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘.
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•Œ์•˜์–ด. ์ž,
06:23
to our second question. Our second question is aย  little more of a modern question. I want to know,ย ย 
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๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์œผ๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ์ข€ ๋” ํ˜„๋Œ€์ ์ธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•Œ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:29
would you rather work from home or atย  a workplace? The workplace could be anย ย 
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์ง‘์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์–ด์š” ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์ง์žฅ์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์–ด์š”? ์ง์žฅ์€
06:35
office or in a coffee shop or the location thatย  the job is set at. What would you rather do?
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์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค, ์ปคํ”ผ์ˆ ๋˜๋Š” ์—…๋ฌด๊ฐ€ ์„ค์ •๋œ ์œ„์น˜์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
06:42
Dan: Well, that really,ย ย 
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Dan: ์Œ, ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ •๋ง
06:43
really depends on the workplace, right?ย  Because a lot of my jobs that I've had,ย ย 
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์ง์žฅ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋‹ค๋ฅด์ฃ ? ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งก์€ ์ง์—… ์ค‘ ์ƒ๋‹น์ˆ˜๊ฐ€
06:49
I worked at a factory on an assemblyย  line. I'd rather work from home.
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๊ณต์žฅ ์กฐ๋ฆฝ ๋ผ์ธ์—์„œ ์ผํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ฐจ๋ผ๋ฆฌ ์ง‘์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด์š”.
06:54
Vanessa: Oh, than that. Yeah.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•„, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค. ์‘.
06:55
Dan: Maybe justย ย 
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06:55
like a standard office job. I kind of like theย  idea of I work one day at the office and I workย ย 
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Dan: ์•„๋งˆ๋„
์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค ์—…๋ฌด์™€ ๋น„์Šทํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜๋ฃจ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ 
07:02
the rest of the days at home. I like to getย  a little bit of that variety, but in general,ย ย 
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๋‚˜๋จธ์ง€ ๋‚ ์€ ์ง‘์—์„œ ์ผํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋‹ค์–‘์„ฑ์„ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ
07:08
I think I would choose a workplace just so becauseย  I like to be really active. Like my job now, I'mย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์ •๋ง ํ™œ๋™์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ง์žฅ์„ ์„ ํƒํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ง€๊ธˆ ๋‚ด ์ง์—…์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์ €๋Š”
07:15
teaching children, elementary kids. So when I'mย  in a classroom, I got to be really moving on topย ย 
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์ดˆ๋“ฑํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ต์‹ค์— ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ๊ทธ
07:22
of it and basically on my A game. At home, I don'tย  get that same energy. I just kind of fall into...ย ย 
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์œ„๋กœ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ A ๊ฒŒ์ž„์„ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง‘์—์„œ๋Š” ๊ทธ์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ์—๋„ˆ์ง€๋ฅผ ์–ป์ง€ ๋ชปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ...ย ย  ํ‹€์— ๋ฐ•ํžŒ ๊ฒƒ์€
07:33
Maybe a rut is kind of too dramatic of a word,ย  but I can more easily get into a rut at home.
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๋ง๋กœ ํ‘œํ˜„ํ•˜๊ธฐ์—” ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ทน์ ์ผ์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฅด์ง€๋งŒ, ์ง‘์—์„œ๋Š” ํ‹€์— ๋ฐ•ํžˆ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋” ์‰ฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:40
Vanessa: So you feelย ย 
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ
07:41
more motivated when you're on the location?
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ํ˜„์žฅ์— ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ ๋” ์˜์š•์ด ์ƒ๊ธฐ๋‚˜์š”?
07:44
Dan: Mm-hmm.
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07:44
Vanessa: Dan had aย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์Œ-ํ .
Vanessa: Dan์€
07:45
summer job one time in highย  school. Was it in high school?
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๊ณ ๋“ฑํ•™๊ต ๋•Œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ์—ฌ๋ฆ„๋ฐฉํ•™ ์ผ์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ณ ๋“ฑํ•™๊ต ๋•Œ์˜€๋‚˜์š”?
07:48
Dan: What job are you talking about?
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๋Œ„: ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ง์—…์„ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ ?
07:49
Vanessa: When you were working at Sony.
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Vanessa: ๋‹น์‹ ์ด Sony์—์„œ ์ผํ•  ๋•Œ์š”.
07:50
Dan: That was college. Yeah.
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๋Œ„: ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋Œ€ํ•™์ด์—ˆ์–ด. ์‘.
07:52
Vanessa: Okay, a summer job where you just-
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Vanessa: ์•Œ์•˜์–ด, ์—ฌ๋ฆ„๋ฐฉํ•™์— ํ•  ์ผ์ด-
07:55
Dan: That was the factory.
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07:55
Vanessa: ... tapped a TV for 10 hours a day to check it.
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Dan: ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๊ณต์žฅ์ด์—ˆ์–ด.
Vanessa: ... TV๋ฅผ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ํ•˜๋ฃจ์— 10์‹œ๊ฐ„์”ฉ TV๋ฅผ ๋‘๋“œ๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:00
Dan: Or move it.ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์›€์ง์—ฌ์š”.
08:01
There were some varieties. Sometimes, we gotย  to pick up the TV and put it on the table.
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์ข…๋ฅ˜๊ฐ€ ์ข€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” TV๋ฅผ ์ง‘์–ด ํ…Œ์ด๋ธ” ์œ„์— ์˜ฌ๋ ค๋†“๊ธฐ๋„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:05
Vanessa: Yes, that was a job.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘, ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ง์—…์ด์—ˆ์–ด.
08:08
Dan: 10 hours.
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๋Œ„: 10์‹œ๊ฐ„์š”.
08:09
Vanessa: Every day.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๋งค์ผ์š”.
08:10
Dan: Mm-hmm.
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๋Œ„: ์Œ-ํ .
08:11
Vanessa: Yeah. That's aย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ธ์ƒ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”
08:12
job that really makes you grateful for the otherย  jobs that you have in life. But this type of job,ย ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ง์—…์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ์ง์—…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ง์—…์€,
08:17
first of all, you'd rather not do, butย  also if that's your comparison point,ย ย 
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์šฐ์„ ์€ ์•ˆ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ์ข‹๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋„ ๋น„๊ต ๋Œ€์ƒ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด
08:22
you would rather work at home. But in general,ย  working in the workplace is better for you?
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์ง‘์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ๋” ์ข‹์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ง์žฅ์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋” ์ข‹๋‚˜์š”?
08:27
Dan: Yes, for me it's better.ย ย 
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Dan: ์‘, ๋‚˜ํ•œํ…Œ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋” ์ข‹์•„.
08:29
I mean, in our scenario, we worked togetherย  from home for a while. And because both ofย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์‹œ๋‚˜๋ฆฌ์˜ค์—์„œ๋Š” ํ•œ๋™์•ˆ ์ง‘์—์„œ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค
08:35
us were working at home, it really turnedย  into our entire life is just in this house.
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์ง‘์—์„œ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ •๋ง ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ธ์ƒ ์ „์ฒด๊ฐ€ ์ด ์ง‘์— ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋์–ด์š”.
08:40
Vanessa: Yeah. Especially because we had-
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ํŠนํžˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋žฌ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—-
08:42
Dan: It's kind of old.
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Dan: ์ข€ ์˜ค๋ž˜๋œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
08:43
Vanessa: ... young kids andย ย 
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Vanessa: ... ์–ด๋ฆฐ ์•„์ด๋“ค๊ณผ
08:44
we're working from home, it was reallyย  hard to have a community and get out,ย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์žฌํƒ๊ทผ๋ฌด๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ณต๋™์ฒด๋ฅผ ์ด๋ฃจ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •๋งย  ์–ด๋ ค์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:49
because to get out with small children is alreadyย  tricky and you're working. So I think you workingย ย 
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์–ด๋ฆฐ ์•„์ด๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋‚˜๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ด๋ฏธ ๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กญ๊ณ  ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
08:54
at the school now just adds another wonderfulย  layer to our family where we have a community.ย ย 
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ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ด์ œ ์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆํ‹ฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์— ๋˜ ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ๋ ˆ์ด์–ด๋ฅผ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:02
You have coworkers. There's more... Yeah, it'sย  also a nice community. It's a nice workplace.
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๋™๋ฃŒ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋” ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค... ๋„ค, ์—ญ์‹œ ์ข‹์€ ์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆํ‹ฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ข‹์€ ์ง์žฅ์ด์—์š”.
09:08
Dan: Yes.
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09:08
Vanessa: Some workplaces are not nice.
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๋Œ„: ๋„ค.
Vanessa: ์–ด๋–ค ์ง์žฅ์€ ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”.
09:10
Dan: That makes a big difference, for sure.
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Dan: ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ํฐ ์ฐจ์ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜ค์ฃ .
09:12
Vanessa: Yeah.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
09:13
Dan: And how about you? Yes.
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๋Œ„: ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์–ด๋•Œ์š”? ์˜ˆ.
09:14
Vanessa: I think, for me, becauseย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”ย ย  ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‚˜
09:15
I work for myself, I have my ownย  business teaching you English,ย ย 
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์ž์‹ ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ผํ•˜๊ณ , ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ๋‚˜๋งŒ์˜ ์‚ฌ์—…์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ ,
09:18
Speak English with Vanessa, I'm going to answerย  neither. I don't want to work at home and Iย ย 
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Vanessa์™€ ์˜์–ด๋กœ ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ๋Œ€๋‹ตํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ง‘์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ 
09:25
also don't want to work in a workplace.ย  This is my ideal scenario. Are you ready?
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์ง์žฅ์—์„œ๋„ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  โ€‹โ€‹์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‚˜์˜ ์ด์ƒ์ ์ธ ์‹œ๋‚˜๋ฆฌ์˜ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ค€๋น„๋๋‚˜์š”?
09:29
Dan:ย 
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09:30
She wants to be totally independent.ย  She wants to work in space.
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๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋…๋ฆฝํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์šฐ์ฃผ์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:34
Vanessa: I want to work in aย ย 
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Vanessa: ์ €๋Š”
09:35
castle overlooking a kingdom. No, I want to, andย  I can probably do this in another couple years,ย ย 
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์™•๊ตญ์ด ๋‚ด๋ ค๋‹ค๋ณด์ด๋Š” ์„ฑ์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด์š”. ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”, ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ๋ช‡ ๋…„ ์•ˆ์— ์ด ์ผ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:42
work for my business, great, but not at home.ย  Last year when I was pregnant with my baby,ย ย 
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์‚ฌ์—…์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ผํ•˜๋ฉด ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ง‘์—์„œ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž‘๋…„์— ์•„์ด๋ฅผ ์ž„์‹ ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ,
09:50
I worked at a coworking space. These exist allย  around the world. Maybe you've heard of them,ย ย 
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์ฝ”์›Œํ‚น ์ŠคํŽ˜์ด์Šค์—์„œ ์ผํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ์ด๋Š” ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„์— ์กด์žฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋“ค์–ด๋ณด์…จ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋“ค์–ด
09:55
maybe you haven't, but it's like a really funย  office. They try to make it cool because theyย ย 
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๋ณด์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ •๋ง ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€
10:02
want you to go there and everyone is workingย  just on their laptops for their own jobs.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์›ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์—…๋ฌด๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋…ธํŠธ๋ถ์—์„œ๋งŒ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋ฉ‹์ง„ ๋ชจ์Šต์„ ๋ณด์ด๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:09
Dan: Freelancers.
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๋Œ„: ํ”„๋ฆฌ๋žœ์„œ์š”.
10:10
Vanessa: Freelancers or maybe they're working for-
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Vanessa: ํ”„๋ฆฌ๋žœ์„œ์ด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณณ์ผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:12
Dan: Or people like you.
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Dan: ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹  ๊ฐ™์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋„์š”.
10:13
Vanessa: ... various companiesย ย 
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Vanessa: ... ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ํšŒ์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
10:14
or maybe they run a company. There'sย  events, there's food, there's food trucks,ย ย 
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ํšŒ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ์šด์˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋ฒคํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ณ , ์Œ์‹์ด ์žˆ๊ณ , ํ‘ธ๋“œ ํŠธ๋Ÿญ์ด ์žˆ๊ณ ,
10:20
there's things going on. It's likeย  the fun place to be. This is, I think,ย ย 
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๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์ผ์ด ๋ฒŒ์–ด์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณณ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
10:26
my ideal where I'm working at the job that Iย  want to work at to, being your English teacher,ย ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ์ง์žฅ, ์˜์–ด ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜์œผ๋กœ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณณ,
10:32
and also in a location where I'm around otherย  people. Working from home is so convenient withย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณณ์ด ์ œ ์ด์ƒํ˜•์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š” . ์–ด๋ฆฐ ์ž๋…€์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์žฌํƒ๊ทผ๋ฌดํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ํŽธ๋ฆฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
10:39
small children. My baby's napping in the otherย  room right now. I can nurse her. I can help myย ย 
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. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„๊ธฐ๋Š” ์ง€๊ธˆ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฐฉ์—์„œ ๋‚ฎ์ž ์„ ์ž๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š” . ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋…€๋ฅผ ๊ฐ„ํ˜ธํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‚ด ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ๋„์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
10:46
kids. I can do those types of things. But whenย  they're a little bit older, I'm out. I want toย ย 
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. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์ผ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ๋‚˜์ด๊ฐ€ ๋“ค๋ฉด ๋‚˜๋Š” ์•„์›ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ฝ”
10:51
go and be out in a coworking space. This type ofย  environment, I think, is really healthy for me.
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์›Œํ‚น ์ŠคํŽ˜์ด์Šค์— ๋‚˜๊ฐ€์„œ ๋†€๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด์š”. ์ด๋Ÿฐ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์€ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ์ •๋ง ๊ฑด๊ฐ•ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
10:58
Dan: If you couldn't tell, she is a people person.
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Dan: ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:00
Vanessa: I like to beย ย 
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Vanessa: ์ €๋Š”
11:01
around other people, but I know some peopleย  can work, for example, in a coffee shop orย ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์ปคํ”ผ์ˆ์ด๋‚˜ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”์œ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์—์„œ ์ผํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋„ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
11:06
this busy environment. I cannot. If it'sย  an absolute necessity, like a requirement-
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. ๋‚˜๋Š” ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋‹ค. ์š”๊ตฌ ์‚ฌํ•ญ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์ ˆ๋Œ€์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ-
11:14
Dan: A public place.
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11:14
Vanessa: ... we have noย ย 
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Dan: ๊ณต๊ณต ์žฅ์†Œ.
Vanessa: ...
11:16
internet at home and I haveย  to get something done, yes,ย ย 
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์ง‘์—๋Š” ์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท์ด ์—†๊ณ  ๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ผ์ด ์žˆ์–ด์„œ์š”. ๋„ค,
11:19
I can go to a coffee shop and get some workย  done, but that is not my ideal environment.
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์ปคํ”ผ์ˆ์— ๊ฐ€์„œ ์ผ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ œ ์ด์ƒ์ ์ธ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์—์š”.
11:24
Dan: I'm not productive in that environment either.
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Dan: ๋‚˜๋„ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์—์„œ๋Š” ์ƒ์‚ฐ์„ฑ์ด ์—†์–ด์š”.
11:26
Vanessa: Yeah. Some people are. Some people thrive with theย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€
11:28
chaos and lots of stuff going on, but that's notย  my jam. All right. Now, are you ready for a quiz?
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ํ˜ผ๋ž€๊ณผ ๋งŽ์€ ์ผ์ด ๋ฒŒ์–ด์ง€๋ฉด์„œ ์„ฑ๊ณตํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋‚ด ์ทจํ–ฅ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์€. ์ด์ œ ํ€ด์ฆˆ๋ฅผ ํ’€ ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ๋˜์…จ๋‚˜์š”?
11:35
Dan: Oh, to the quiz?
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๋Œ„: ์•„, ํ€ด์ฆˆ๋กœ์š”?
11:37
Vanessa: The next section is a quiz.
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Vanessa: ๋‹ค์Œ ์„น์…˜์€ ํ€ด์ฆˆ์˜ˆ์š”.
11:39
Dan: Yes.
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11:39
Vanessa: All right.ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ๋„ค.
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•Œ์•˜์–ด.
11:40
These are some office acronymsย  and an acronym for example is BRB,ย ย 
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์ด๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค ์•ฝ์–ด ์ด๋ฉฐ ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด BRB,
11:49
be right back. You might write this in a textย  message. You might write this in an email.ย ย 
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๊ณง ๋Œ์•„์˜ค๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌธ์ž ๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€๋กœ ์ด๋ฅผ ์ž‘์„ฑํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ์ด๋ฉ”์ผ๋กœ ์“ธ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:54
These are specifically things that you wouldย  write in an email in the office. Are you ready?
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๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค์—์„œ ์ด๋ฉ”์ผ๋กœ ์ž‘์„ฑํ•˜๋Š” ๋‚ด์šฉ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ค€๋น„๋๋‚˜์š”?
12:01
Dan: I alreadyย ย 
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Dan: ๋ฒŒ์จ
12:02
think I'm not going to be veryย  good at this, but let's do it.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ด ์ผ์„ ์ž˜ ๋ชปํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์ง€๋งŒ ํ•ด๋ณด์ž.
12:05
Vanessa: The firstย ย 
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12:05
one is WFH. I'll give you a sample sentence.
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Vanessa: ์ฒซ
๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” WFH์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฌธ์„ ์•Œ๋ ค๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:13
Dan: Okay.
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๋Œ„: ์•Œ์•˜์–ด.
12:15
Vanessa: This is a W-
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Vanessa: W-
12:16
Dan: Work from home.
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Dan: ์žฌํƒ๊ทผ๋ฌด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:17
Vanessa: Yeah. This is a WFH position, or I'm lookingย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ WFH ์ง์œ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜๋Š” ์ €๋Š”
12:22
for a WFH position. This is work from home, whichย  is increasingly more common since the pandemic.ย ย 
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WFH ์ง์œ„๋ฅผ ์ฐพ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ์žฌํƒ๊ทผ๋ฌด๋กœ, ํŒฌ๋ฐ๋ฏน ์ดํ›„ ์ ์  ๋” ๋ณดํŽธํ™”๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:30
Yes, work from home. You got it. Allย  right. The next one. You might seeย ย 
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๋„ค, ์žฌํƒ๊ทผ๋ฌดํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์–ป์—ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์€. ๋‹ค์Œ ๊ฒƒ.
12:33
this at the bottom of an email, OOO.ย  This is the letter, not the number.
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์ด๋ฉ”์ผ ํ•˜๋‹จ์— OOO๋ผ๋Š” ๋ฌธ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ํ‘œ์‹œ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ˆซ์ž๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ๋ฌธ์ž์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:43
Dan: Ooh.
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๋Œ„: ์˜ค์˜ค.
12:46
Vanessa: Ooh.
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12:46
Dan: OOO?
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12:46
Vanessa: If you saw OOO...
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์˜ค์˜ค.
๋Œ„: ์˜ค์˜ค์˜ค?
Vanessa: OOO๋ฅผ ๋ณธ๋‹ค๋ฉด...
12:47
Dan: Orange, ostriches, orangutans, united.
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Dan: ์˜ค๋ Œ์ง€, ํƒ€์กฐ, ์˜ค๋ž‘์šฐํƒ„, ํ•ฉ์ฒด.
12:52
Vanessa: Yes, you got it. No, this is out of office.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๋„ค, ์•Œ์•˜์–ด์š”. ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”, ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ๋ถ€์žฌ์ค‘์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:57
Dan: OOO.
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๋Œ„: OO์•„.
12:58
Vanessa:ย 
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Vanessa:
12:59
When someone is going to be gone during usualย  business days, let's say you have a vacationย ย 
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ํ‰์†Œ ์˜์—…์ผ์— ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€ ์ž๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋น„์šธ ๋•Œ , ํœด๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๊ฐ€์ •ํ•ด ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:05
Monday through Wednesday, in your email system,ย  you might write an automated message that goesย ย 
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์›”์š”์ผ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์ˆ˜์š”์ผ๊นŒ์ง€ ์ด๋ฉ”์ผ ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์—์„œ ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ณด๋‚ด๋Š” ์ž๋™ ๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€๋ฅผ ์ž‘์„ฑํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
13:13
out to everyone. That's your OOO, your outย  of office message that says, "I am sittingย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ OOO์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. '์ €๋Š”
13:19
on a beach right now. Ha-ha, you're at the office.ย  I'll see you on Thursday," or something like this
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์ง€๊ธˆ ํ•ด๋ณ€์— ์•‰์•„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜ํ•˜, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค์— ๊ณ„์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ชฉ์š”์ผ์— ๋ต™๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค'๋ผ๊ณ  ์ ํžŒ ๋ถ€์žฌ์ค‘ ๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€ ๋˜๋Š” ๋‹ค์Œ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋‚ด์šฉ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:25
Dan: For our school in our chat,ย ย 
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Dan: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ํ•™๊ต ์ฑ„ํŒ…์—
13:27
there's the little red dot in the cornerย  that says they're out or not available.
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๋ชจํ‰์ด์— ์ž‘์€ ๋นจ๊ฐ„ ์ ์ด ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐย  ํ•™๊ต์— ์—†๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋‹ค๋Š” ๋œป์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:31
Vanessa: Oh, okay. Same idea.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•„, ์•Œ์•˜์–ด. ๊ฐ™์€ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:33
Dan: We use Googleย ย 
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13:33
Workplace, so you might be familiar, too.
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Dan: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” Google
Workplace๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋ฏ€๋กœ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋„ ์ต์ˆ™ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:35
Vanessa: Yeah. Yeah. OOO isย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ์‘. OOO๋Š”
13:37
a common... There's some really funny out ofย  office messages I've seen out there. Anyway,ย ย 
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์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ... ๋ฐ–์—์„œ ๋ณธ ์ •๋ง ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ถ€์žฌ์ค‘ ๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€๊ฐ€ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐœ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์–ด์จŒ๋“ ,
13:42
you can look this up anotherย  time. All right. The last one is-
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์ด ๋‚ด์šฉ์€ ๋‚˜์ค‘์— ๋‹ค์‹œ ์ฐพ์•„๋ณด์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์€. ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์€-
13:45
Dan: Only three?
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13:45
Vanessa: There's only three. The last quiz is-
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Dan: ์„ธ ๊ฐœ๋งŒ์š”?
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์„ธ ๊ฐœ๋ฐ–์— ์—†์–ด์š”. ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ํ€ด์ฆˆ๋Š”-
13:48
Dan: OOO.
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Dan: OOO์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:49
Vanessa: ... EOD.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ... EOD.
13:50
Dan: EOD?
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๋Œ„: EOD?
13:52
Vanessa: Would you like a sample sentence?
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์ƒ˜ํ”Œ ๋ฌธ์žฅ์„ ๋ณด์‹œ๊ฒ ์–ด์š”?
13:54
Dan: Sure.
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๋Œ„: ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด์ฃ .
13:55
Vanessa: Okay.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•Œ์•˜์–ด.
13:56
Dan: EOD.
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13:56
Vanessa: The sample sentence is,ย ย 
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๋Œ„: EOD.
Vanessa: ์ƒ˜ํ”Œ ๋ฌธ์žฅ์€ '
13:58
"I need this finished by EOD," orย  "I will have this finished by EOD."
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EOD๊นŒ์ง€ ์™„๋ฃŒํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.' ๋˜๋Š” 'EOD๊นŒ์ง€ ์™„๋ฃŒํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.'์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:06
Dan: Earliest. Earliest? No. Even?
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๋Œ„: ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋จผ์ €์š”. ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋น ๋ฅธ? ์•„๋‡จ. ์‹ฌ์ง€์–ด์š”?
14:12
Vanessa: No.
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Vanessa: ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”.
14:13
Dan: EOD?
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14:13
Vanessa: Uh-huh. Can you haveย ย 
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Dan: EOD?
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์–ด-ํ—ˆ.
14:16
this finished by EOD? And you would not say this,ย  you would write this in an email or in a text.
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EOD๊นŒ์ง€ ์ด ์ž‘์—…์„ ์™„๋ฃŒํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ๋งํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์ด๋ฉ”์ผ์ด๋‚˜ ๋ฌธ์ž๋กœ ์“ธ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:22
Dan: End of date.
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๋Œ„: ๋‚ ์งœ๊ฐ€ ๋๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:23
Vanessa: Oh, close. End of...
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•„, ๋‹ซ์•˜์–ด์š”. ๋...
14:25
Dan: Day.
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14:25
Vanessa: Yes. Yes. Yes.
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14:25
Dan: End of day. End of day.
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Dan: ๋‚ .
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ์˜ˆ. ์˜ˆ.
๋Œ„: ํ•˜๋ฃจ๊ฐ€ ๋๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜๋ฃจ์˜ ๋.
14:27
Vanessa: Can youย ย 
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Vanessa:
14:29
have this finished by EOD? Can youย  have this finished by end of day?
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EOD๊นŒ์ง€ ์ด ์ž‘์—…์„ ์™„๋ฃŒํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”? ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์•ˆ์— ์ด ์ž‘์—…์„ ์™„๋ฃŒํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
14:31
Dan: Oh.
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๋Œ„: ์•„.
14:32
Vanessa: This is justย ย 
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14:32
talking about deadlines and you might see thisย  in an email. You might see this in a group chat,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ์ด๊ฑด ๋‹จ์ง€
๋งˆ๊ฐ์ผ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ์ด๊ณ  ์ด๋ฉ”์ผ์—์„œ ์ด ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ๋ณด์‹ค ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . Dan์ด ๋งํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋™๋ฃŒ์™€์˜ ๊ทธ๋ฃน ์ฑ„ํŒ…์—์„œ ์ด ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
14:38
like Dan was saying, with your coworkers. There'sย ย 
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.
14:41
Google Workplaces kind of chat about EOD.ย  Great work. What, you got two out of three?
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EOD์— ๊ด€ํ•œ Google Workplace ์ฑ„ํŒ…์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์ž‘์—…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ญ, 3๊ฐœ ์ค‘ 2๊ฐœ๋ฅผ ์–ป์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
14:47
Dan: Got two out of three.
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14:47
Vanessa: Two out of three,ย ย 
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๋Œ„: 3์  ๋งŒ์ ์— 2์ ์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์–ด์š”.
Vanessa: 3๊ฐœ ์ค‘ 2๊ฐœ๋Š”
14:48
great work. All right, let's go on to our-
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์ž˜ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ์ข‹์•„์š”, ๋‹ค์Œ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€์ฃ -
14:50
Dan: And I'm not an office-y kind of guy, so...
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค ๊ฐ™์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”...
14:53
Vanessa: Well,ย ย 
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14:53
let's go on to our next question, which has to doย  with being on the other side. Not just working butย ย 
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Vanessa: ์Œ,
๋ฐ˜๋Œ€ํŽธ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์œผ๋กœ ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. . ๋‹จ์ˆœํžˆ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
15:02
being someone who is in charge of hiring otherย  people. At various times, we've each had to hireย ย 
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ๊ณ ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์„ ๋‹ด๋‹นํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์ฐจ๋ก€์— ๊ฑธ์ณ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฐ๊ฐ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ๊ณ ์šฉํ•ด์•ผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
15:10
people. I want to know, for you, tell us kind ofย  the circumstance of why you were hiring someone,ย ย 
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. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์™œ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๊ณ ์šฉํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:16
but also what were some of the key reasons whyย  you hired someone or the character traits thatย ย 
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๋˜ํ•œ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๊ณ ์šฉํ•œ ์ฃผ์š” ์ด์œ ๋‚˜
15:21
you were looking for in those people and whatย  happened? Yeah, tell us about hiring people.
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ์„œ ์ฐพ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋˜ ์„ฑ๊ฒฉ ํŠน์„ฑ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋ฉฐ ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์‘, ์‚ฌ๋žŒ ์ฑ„์šฉ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งํ•ด์ค˜.
15:28
Dan: When I hired people,ย ย 
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Dan: ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ์ฑ„์šฉํ•  ๋•Œ ์• ์Šˆ๋นŒ
15:30
I was working at a coffee shop in Downtownย  Asheville. I got the manager's position there,ย ย 
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์‹œ๋‚ด์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์ปคํ”ผ์ˆ์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ๊ด€๋ฆฌ์ž ์ง์ฑ…์„ ๋งก์•˜๊ธฐ
15:37
so I was kind of like middle management, weย  would say, where there was somebody above me.ย ย 
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๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ค‘๊ฐ„ ๊ด€๋ฆฌ์ง์— ์†ํ–ˆ๊ณ , ์ € ์œ„์— ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:43
Not so fun, especially this guy. But then I had aย  team working the coffee shop and so I had to hireย ย 
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๋ณ„๋กœ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์—†์–ด์š”, ํŠนํžˆ ์ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€์š”. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์ปคํ”ผ์ˆ์— ํŒ€์ด ์žˆ์–ด์„œ
15:52
basically baristas. The criteria I mainly lookedย  for was were they cheerful and presentable and didย ย 
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๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐ”๋ฆฌ์Šคํƒ€๋ฅผ ๊ณ ์šฉํ•ด์•ผ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ฃผ๋กœ ์ฐพ๋˜ ๊ธฐ์ค€์€ ์พŒํ™œํ•˜๊ณ  ๋งํˆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ข‹์€์ง€,
16:05
they seem with it? As in would they be on time?ย  Can they follow directions and orders? And then,ย ย 
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๊ฒ‰์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด๊ธฐ์— ๊ทธ๋Ÿด์‹ธํ•œ์ง€์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์— ๋„์ฐฉํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๋‚˜์š”? ์ง€์‹œ์™€ ๋ช…๋ น์„ ๋”ฐ๋ฅผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
16:13
of course, I always ask them about theirย  previous experience. And usually with theย ย 
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๋ฌผ๋ก  ์ €๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ด์ „ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ
16:19
most recent job they had, I kind of askย  like, "Why did you leave that job," toย ย 
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ตœ๊ทผ์— ํ–ˆ๋˜ ์ง์—…์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ €๋Š” "์™œ ๊ทธ ์ง์žฅ์„ ๊ทธ๋งŒ๋’€๋‚˜์š”?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฌผ์–ด์„œ
16:24
get their... You want to hear what their storyย  is and then pick up all those little signalsย ย 
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... ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์‹ถ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ž‘์€ ์‹ ํ˜ธ๋ฅผ ๋ชจ๋‘ ํฌ์ฐฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:29
that they're given out. So, yeah, Iย  actually thought hiring was really fun.
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๋‹ค์‹œ ์ฃผ์–ด์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋„ค, ์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ €๋Š” ์ฑ„์šฉ์ด ์ •๋ง ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
16:33
Vanessa: If someone said,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€
16:34
"Oh, I left my last job becauseย  the manager was awful," and theyย ย 
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"์•„, ๊ด€๋ฆฌ์ž๊ฐ€ ํ˜•ํŽธ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ง€๋‚œ ์ง์žฅ์„ ๊ทธ๋งŒ๋’€์–ด์š” "๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ 
16:38
say bad things about their manager,ย  then would you hire that person?
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๊ด€๋ฆฌ์ž์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋‚˜์œ ๋ง์„ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ์ฑ„์šฉํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
16:41
Dan: No. No,ย ย 
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Dan: ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”. ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”,
16:42
of course not. And I thought it wasย  fun, too, because it was kind of like,ย ย 
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๋ฌผ๋ก  ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. '
16:47
"Ooh, I get to curate my team. Theseย  are the people I want to work with."
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์•„, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํŒ€์„ ํ๋ ˆ์ดํŒ…ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋๊ตฌ๋‚˜. ์ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด๊ตฌ๋‚˜' ํ•˜๋Š” ๋Š๋‚Œ์ด ๋“ค์—ˆ๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
16:51
Vanessa: Oh, yeah.ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•„, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์š”.
16:52
Yeah. And the people who you hired alsoย  had to work well with the people whoย ย 
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์‘. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ณ ์šฉํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๋„ ํ˜„์žฌ ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์ž˜ ํ˜‘๋ ฅํ•ด์•ผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:57
were currently working there, becauseย  when you're working in a coffee shop,ย ย 
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์ปคํ”ผ์ˆ์—์„œ ์ผํ•  ๋•Œ๋Š”
17:00
everyone is working behind the counter.ย  It's a very tight space physically.
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๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ์นด์šดํ„ฐ ๋’ค์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌผ๋ฆฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งค์šฐ ์ข์€ ๊ณต๊ฐ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:04
Dan: Yeah. You're public,ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ๊ท€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณต๊ฐœ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ
17:05
but you're also in that setting. You'reย  front-facing, you're seeing everybody,ย ย 
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๊ทธ ์„ค์ •์—๋„ ์†ํ•ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ •๋ฉด์„ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณด๊ณ  ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ
17:12
and you have to be cheerful. But then whenย  people walk out, you're also... A lot of times,ย ย 
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๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์ข‹์•„์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋‚˜๊ฐ€๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ๋„...
17:17
a lot of gossip builds up in these situations,ย  so you want to find people who are low drama,ย ย 
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ƒํ™ฉ์—์„œ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฐ€์‹ญ์ด ์Œ“์ด๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋“œ๋ผ๋งˆํ‹ฑํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ์ฐพ์œผ๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:22
which can be difficult in theย  coffee barista industry, I will say.
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์ด๋Š” ์ปคํ”ผ ๋ฐ”๋ฆฌ์Šคํƒ€ ์—…๊ณ„์—์„œ๋Š” ์–ด๋ ค์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋งํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋‹ค.
17:26
Vanessa: But you did it.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํ•ด๋ƒˆ์–ด์š”.
17:27
Dan: I did.
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17:27
Vanessa: Tell us about theย ย 
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๋Œ„: ๊ทธ๋žฌ์–ด์š”.
Vanessa:
17:29
people you hired. Did it work out? How did it go,ย  without saying any names in case they're watching?
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ณ ์šฉํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š”. ์ž˜๋๋‚˜์š”? ํ˜น์‹œ ์ง€์ผœ๋ณผ๊นŒ๋ด ์ด๋ฆ„๋„ ๋งํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋๋‚˜์š”?
17:35
Dan: I think allย ย 
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Dan: ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—”
17:37
but maybe one of my hires were pretty good.ย  Some of them were like slam dunks, I thought.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ณ ์šฉํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ ์ค‘ ํ•œ ๋ช…์„ ์ œ์™ธํ•˜๊ณ ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ๊ทธ๋“ค ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ์Šฌ๋žจ๋ฉํฌ ๊ฐ™์•˜์–ด์š”.
17:43
Vanessa: Oh, okay. Okay. And what made them-
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•„, ์•Œ์•˜์–ด. ์ข‹์•„์š”. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฌด์—‡์ด ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ๋Š”์ง€-
17:46
Dan: Just vary with the people.
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17:46
Vanessa: They were with it?
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Dan: ๋‹จ์ง€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•  ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๋„ ๊ทธ๋žฌ๋‹ค๊ณ ?
17:47
Dan: One of them was the manager whenย ย 
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Dan: ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋– ๋‚  ๋•Œ ๊ทธ ์ค‘ ํ•œ ๋ถ„์ด ๋งค๋‹ˆ์ €์˜€์–ด์š”
17:48
I left. Some of them were kind of high strung,ย  but that meant they were with it, you know?
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. ๊ทธ๋“ค ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๊ธด์žฅํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋™์˜ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:56
Vanessa: Yeah. Okay.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ์ข‹์•„์š”.
17:58
Dan: Yeah. And thenย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
17:59
also for that coffee shop, most of theย  people who worked there were women. Andย ย 
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๊ทธ ์ปคํ”ผ์ˆ์—์„œ๋„ ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„ ์—ฌ์„ฑ์ด์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
18:04
so I had to kind of be a little carefulย  who... That made actually hiring guysย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์ข€ ์กฐ์‹ฌํ•ด์•ผ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š” ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€... ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋‚จ์ž ์ฑ„์šฉ์„ ๋” ์–ด๋ ต๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ์™œ๋ƒ๋ฉด
18:09
harder just because a lot of times if you get aย  guy who's single and giving off these signals,ย ย 
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์‹ฑ๊ธ€์ธ ๋‚จ์ž๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋‚˜์„œ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์‹ ํ˜ธ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋‚ด๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
18:16
then it just ends up building this kind ofย  tension and drama. I was like the marriedย ย 
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๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ๊ธด์žฅ์ด ์Œ“์ด๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ  ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋“œ๋ผ๋งˆ. ๋‚˜๋Š”
18:23
guy there and Dan's taken, it doesn't matter,ย  whatever. I gave them relationship advice, but...
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๊ทธ๊ณณ์˜ ์œ ๋ถ€๋‚จ ๊ฐ™์•˜๋Š”๋ฐ ๋Œ„์ด ์žกํ˜”์–ด์š”. ์ƒ๊ด€์—†์–ด์š”. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๊ด€๊ณ„์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์กฐ์–ธ์„ ํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ...
18:31
Vanessa: You wanted to hire someone who wasn't-
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Vanessa: ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ๊ณ ์šฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Dan
18:33
Dan: From the married guy perspective.
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: ๊ฒฐํ˜ผํ•œ ๋‚จ์ž์˜ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ์š”.
18:34
Vanessa: You didn't want someone who wasย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋‹น์‹ ์€
18:36
just going to flirt with the coworkers the wholeย  time? You wanted a good environment for everybody?
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๋‚ด๋‚ด ๋™๋ฃŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์‹œ์‹œ๋•๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ์›ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‚˜์š” ? ๋ชจ๋‘์—๊ฒŒ ์ข‹์€ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์„ ์›ํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
18:41
Dan: Yeah. Because guys would come in fromย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ๋‚จ์ž๋“ค์€
18:42
other shops and flirt with the girls there, so itย  was like they're already messing up the jive, men.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฐ€๊ฒŒ์—์„œ ์™€์„œ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ ์—ฌ์ž๋“ค๊ณผ ์‹œ์‹œ๋•๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๊ณค ํ•˜๋‹ˆ๊นŒ, ์ด๋ฏธ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žฅ๋‚œ์„ ์น˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•˜์–ด์š”, ๋‚จ์ž๋“ค.
18:48
Vanessa: Yeah. I think an important part aboutย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
18:51
hiring someone is that, if you have to work withย  a team, that they work well together. That wasย ย 
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ์ฑ„์šฉํ•  ๋•Œ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์ ์€ ํŒ€์œผ๋กœ ์ผํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์„œ๋กœ ์ž˜ ํ˜‘๋ ฅํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€
18:56
actually something I was going to say about theย  people who I've hired. I've hired several peopleย ย 
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ณ ์šฉํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ €๋Š” Speak English with Vanessa๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ๊ณ ์šฉํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:01
to work for Speak English with Vanessa, becauseย  one person cannot make all of this magic happenย ย 
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ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๋งˆ๋ฒ•์„ ํ˜ผ์ž์„œ๋Š” ๋งŒ๋“ค ์ˆ˜ ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
19:08
by themselves. I'd say one of the key things thatย  I look for now... I've had some not completelyย ย 
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. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ง€๊ธˆ ์ฐพ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ํ•ต์‹ฌ ์‚ฌํ•ญ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋ฅผ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:19
failed hiring experiences, but ones that didn'tย  work out as well. One of the things that I'veย ย 
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์ฑ„์šฉ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ์™„์ „ํžˆ ์‹คํŒจํ•˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ž˜ ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๋„ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐฐ์šด ๊ฒƒ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š”
19:25
learned from that is if somebody can understandย  what you're asking for and then either ask theย ย 
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ๊ท€ํ•˜๊ฐ€ ์š”์ฒญํ•˜๋Š” ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ 
19:33
right questions so that they can do it correctlyย  or do it correctly the first time, that is huge.
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์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ•˜์—ฌ ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ฒ˜์Œ์— ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ ์ผ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:42
when I'm asking someone, for example, to helpย  write some sample sentences for an English course,ย ย 
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์—๊ฒŒ ์˜์–ด ์ฝ”์Šค์˜ ์ƒ˜ํ”Œ ๋ฌธ์žฅ ์ž‘์„ฑ์„ ๋„์™€๋‹ฌ๋ผ๊ณ  ์š”์ฒญํ•  ๋•Œ
19:49
well, I can tell them, "Here's the vocabulary. Canย  you write two sample sentences per vocabulary wordย ย 
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"์–ดํœ˜๋Š” ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •์˜์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์–ดํœ˜ ๋‹จ์–ด๋‹น ์ƒ˜ํ”Œ ๋ฌธ์žฅ ๋‘ ๊ฐœ๋ฅผ ์“ธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”
19:56
with a definition?" I can give them simple, smallย  instructions like that and see what happens. Andย ย 
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?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•˜๊ณ  ์ž‘์€ ์ง€์‹œ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋Š”์ง€ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
20:02
if they do it perfectly the first time, okay. Ifย  they don't, I don't really care. It's that theyย ย 
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์ฒ˜์Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์™„๋ฒฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•ด๋‚ธ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋ณ„๋กœ ์ƒ๊ด€ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:07
ask the right questions like, "Oh, do you want aย  long definition or a short definition," or "Wouldย ย 
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"์˜ค, ๊ธด ์ •์˜๋ฅผ ์›ํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์งง์€ ์ •์˜๋ฅผ ์›ํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?" ๋˜๋Š” "
20:13
you like it to be double space? Single space?" Ifย  somebody is thinking about those types of things,ย ย 
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๊ณต๋ฐฑ ๋‘ ๊ฐœ๋กœ ์›ํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”? ๊ณต๋ฐฑ ํ•œ ๊ฐœ๋กœ ์›ํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?"์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹ 
20:19
I think that, like you said, being withย  it and on it... Great vocabulary words,ย ย 
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๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์žˆ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์œ„์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด... ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์–ดํœ˜์ด์ง€๋งŒ,
20:25
but those are the most important because you canย  teach the other things oftentimes in various jobs.
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๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์ง์—…์—์„œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ์ž์ฃผ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:30
Dan: So an openness to learning-
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Dan: ํ•™์Šต์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฐœ๋ฐฉ์„ฑ-
20:33
Vanessa: Yeah, openness to learning.
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Vanessa: ๋„ค, ํ•™์Šต์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฐœ๋ฐฉ์„ฑ์ด์ฃ .
20:34
Dan: ... and asking questions.
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๋Œ„: ...๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์งˆ๋ฌธ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:35
Vanessa: Yeah. And when you give corrections like,ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
20:38
"Oh, I would prefer if you did it like this," orย  "Can you change this to be like this," the nextย ย 
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'์•„, ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉด ์ข‹๊ฒ ์–ด์š”', ' ์ด๊ฑธ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”๊พธ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”' ๊ฐ™์€ ์ˆ˜์ •์„ ํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด
20:44
time they also do that. So kind of the variousย  changes that you'd like and being able to do that.
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๋‹ค์Œ์—๋„ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์›ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๋ณ€๊ฒฝ ์‚ฌํ•ญ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:50
Dan: I know you'veย ย 
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had somebody who didn't do that well.
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ž˜
ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์•Œ์•„์š”.
20:52
Vanessa: Yeah, I think-
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Vanessa: ๋„ค, ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—”-
20:54
Dan: I remember some conversations.
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Dan: ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋Œ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ๊ธฐ์–ต๋‚˜์š”.
20:56
Vanessa:ย 
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It's really tricky to hire someone,ย  especially for me because I've never...
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Vanessa:
๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๊ณ ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ •๋ง ๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กญ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํŠนํžˆ ์ €๋Š” ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ๋„ ํ•ด๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋”์šฑ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค...
21:01
Dan: It's kind of blind, really, to meet them.
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Dan: ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ๋งŒ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๋งน๋ชฉ์ ์ธ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:03
Vanessa: Yeah.
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21:03
Dan: I do talk to them I presume.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
Dan: ์•„๋งˆ ๊ทธ๋“ค๊ณผ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
21:04
Vanessa: Well, I talk to them on Zoom andย ย 
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Vanessa: ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์ €๋Š” Zoom ๋“ฑ์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋“ค๊ณผ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„์ง€๋งŒ
21:07
stuff but I've never really hired people. A lot ofย  these positions that I'm hiring people for, it'sย ย 
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ๊ณ ์šฉํ•œ ์ ์€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ์ฑ„์šฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์ง์ฑ…์€
21:13
the first time I've ever hired someone for thatย  position. So I'm learning what exactly is the jobย ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ ์ง์ฑ…์— ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๊ณ ์šฉํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ด๋ฒˆ์ด ์ฒ˜์Œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ์–ด๋–ค ์ง์œ„์ธ์ง€ ์•Œ์•„๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
21:19
position, what exactly do I need? It's not thisย  company with a big long process for hiring variousย ย 
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, ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•œ๊ฐ€์š”? ๊ฐ™์€ ์ง์ฑ…์— ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ์ฑ„์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๊ธธ๊ณ  ๊ธด ๊ณผ์ •์„ ๊ฑฐ์น˜๋Š” ํšŒ์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ธฐ
21:27
people in the same position, so I'm kind ofย  learning from scratch each time. But I think it'sย ย 
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๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋งค๋ฒˆ ์ฒ˜์Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ํŽธ์ด์—์š”. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
21:33
a good skill, being able to hire the right peopleย  and have a good situation. There is somethingย ย 
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์ ์ ˆํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ๊ณ ์šฉ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ข‹์€ ์ƒํ™ฉ์„ ๋งž์ดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ข‹์€ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:41
interesting that you did not mention and I didn'tย  mention about hiring people. Their qualifications.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ์ ์ด ์žˆ๊ณ , ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ธ์žฌ ์ฑ„์šฉ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์ž๊ฒฉ.
21:48
Dan: Oh, their qualifications.
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Dan: ์•„, ์ž๊ฒฉ์š”๊ฑด์ด๊ตฐ์š”.
21:50
Vanessa: So if you are a graphic designer, if you're,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๋ž˜ํ”ฝ ๋””์ž์ด๋„ˆ๋ผ๋ฉด,
21:53
of course, a doctor or something like this, youย  need some specific job-related qualifications.
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๋ฌผ๋ก  ์˜์‚ฌ ๊ฐ™์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด ์ง์—…๊ณผ ๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ํŠน์ •ํ•œ ์ž๊ฒฉ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ด์š”.
21:59
Dan: Yeah. That was alwaysย ย 
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21:59
a little lower on the listย  for what I was hiring for.
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ฑ„์šฉํ•œ ๋ถ„์•ผ์— ๋น„ํ•ด ํ•ญ์ƒ
๋ชฉ๋ก์—์„œ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋‚ฎ์€ ํŽธ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
22:02
Vanessa: That's interesting.ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ๋„ค์š”.
22:03
Yeah. And I feel like, for me, when I hired,ย  for example, a writer, I want someone who hasย ย 
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์‘. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์˜ˆ ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์ž‘๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๊ณ ์šฉํ•  ๋•Œ ๊ธ€์“ฐ๊ธฐ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ์›
22:10
writing experience, but I didn't care if theyย  had a certificate or a degree. It was more,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ž๊ฒฉ์ฆ์ด๋‚˜ ํ•™์œ„๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€๋Š” ์ƒ๊ด€ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ์›ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ์ด์ƒ,
22:17
can they do a good job? And I feel like this is aย  little bit more of a modern hiring process. Lotsย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ž˜ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข€ ๋” ํ˜„๋Œ€์ ์ธ ์ฑ„์šฉ ํ”„๋กœ์„ธ์Šค์— ๊ฐ€๊น๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:23
of traditional jobs still want you to have thisย  certificate, this degree, this qualification.
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๋งŽ์€ย ย  ์ „ํ†ต์ ์ธ ์ง์—…์—์„œ๋Š” ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์ด ์ฆ๋ช…์„œ, ์ด ํ•™์œ„, ์ด ์ž๊ฒฉ์ฆ์„ ์ทจ๋“ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์›ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:28
Dan: Well, it depends on theย ย 
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Dan: ์Œ, ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ ์ธ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
22:29
technicality. My dad is an engineer and heย  works in a... What would you even call it? Not aย ย 
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. ์ €ํฌ ์•„๋ฒ„์ง€๋Š” ์—”์ง€๋‹ˆ์–ด์ด์‹œ๋ฉฐ ๋‹ค์Œ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋ถ„์•ผ์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค... ๋ญ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฅด์‹œ๊ฒ ์–ด์š”?
22:38
factory. A workshop with metals and big machineryย  and stuff. And if he's going to hire an engineer,ย ย 
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๊ณต์žฅ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธˆ์†๊ณผ ๋Œ€ํ˜• ๊ธฐ๊ณ„ ๋“ฑ์„ ๊ฐ–์ถ˜ ์ž‘์—…์žฅ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์—”์ง€๋‹ˆ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ณ ์šฉํ•˜๋ ค๋ฉด ๊ธฐ๋ณธ ์ง€์‹์„ ๊ฐ–๊ธฐ
22:45
they need a certain kind of expertise toย  even have a baseline knowledge. Becauseย ย 
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์œ„ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ํŠน์ • ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์ „๋ฌธ ์ง€์‹์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์™œ๋ƒ๋ฉด
22:49
if I walked in there, I'd be like, "Iย  don't even understand what is happening."
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ณณ์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€๋ฉด " ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€์กฐ์ฐจ ์ดํ•ด๊ฐ€ ์•ˆ ๋ผ"๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
22:53
Vanessa: You would not be hired.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ฑ„์šฉ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.
22:54
Dan: Right, exactly.
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๋Œ„: ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ , ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
22:55
Vanessa: Yeah. For certain jobs,ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ํŠน์ • ์ง์—…์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ
22:57
of course, you need some kind of experienceย  with the job itself, but I think a lot of jobsย ย 
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๋ฌผ๋ก  ์ง์—… ์ž์ฒด์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์š”์ฆ˜ ๋งŽ์€ ์ง์—…์€
23:03
nowadays, they are looking for characterย  traits, especially if you're young,ย ย 
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ํŠนํžˆ ์ Š๋‹ค๋ฉด
23:09
more than specific experiences. But there are soย  many jobs out there, these many different things.
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๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜๋ณด๋‹ค ์„ฑ๊ฒฉ ํŠน์„ฑ์„ ๋” ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์„ธ์ƒ์—๋Š” ์ •๋ง ๋งŽ์€ ์ง์—…์ด ์žˆ๊ณ , ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:17
Dan: Yeah. Totally depends on the field.
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ถ„์•ผ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:18
Vanessa: Yeah. Allย ย 
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23:18
right. Are you ready for ourย  final question of the day?
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
๊ดœ์ฐฎ์€. ์˜ค๋Š˜์˜ ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ๋ฐ›์„ ์ค€๋น„๊ฐ€ ๋˜์…จ๋‚˜์š”?
23:21
Dan: Sure.
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๋Œ„: ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด์ฃ .
23:22
Vanessa: All right. I wrote it out here. Our final questionย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์•Œ์•˜์–ด. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ์ผ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€
23:24
is one that many students have asked, maybeย  hundreds of thousands, maybe bajillions of times.
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๋งŽ์€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์ˆ˜์‹ญ๋งŒ, ์–ด์ฉŒ๋ฉด ์ˆ˜์‹ญ์–ต ๋ฒˆ ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ณธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:31
Dan: Bajillions.
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๋Œ„: ์ˆ˜๋ฐฑ๋งŒ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ.
23:32
Vanessa: Oftentimes,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ์ข…์ข…
23:33
this question is asked to me, but I think itย  can relate to both of us. How can you have aย ย 
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์ด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ๋ฐ›๋Š”๋ฐ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋‘˜ ๋ชจ๋‘์—๊ฒŒ ํ•ด๋‹น๋˜๋Š” ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
23:40
work-life balance with so much going on in yourย  life? We both work, we have three children,ย ย 
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์ธ์ƒ์—์„œ ๊ทธํ† ๋ก ๋งŽ์€ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฐ€์šด๋ฐ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ผ๊ณผ ์‚ถ์˜ ๊ท ํ˜•์„ ์œ ์ง€ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ? ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์„ธ ๋ช…์˜ ์ž๋…€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ณ 
23:48
we have two cats and nine chickens and aย  house and a big garden, and, yes, all of this.
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๊ณ ์–‘์ด ๋‘ ๋งˆ๋ฆฌ์™€ ๋‹ญ ์•„ํ™‰ ๋งˆ๋ฆฌ, ์ง‘๊ณผ ํฐ ์ •์›, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋„ค, ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:54
Dan: Boy, that garden.
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๋Œ„: ์–˜์•ผ, ์ € ์ •์›์ด๊ตฌ๋‚˜.
23:55
Vanessa: I'm just saying right now it's pretty busy.
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Vanessa: ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ๊ฝค ๋ฐ”์˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๋œป์ด์—์š”.
23:57
Dan: It does take a lot of work.
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๋Œ„: ์ •๋ง ๋งŽ์€ ๋…ธ๋ ฅ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ด์š”.
23:59
Vanessa: Yeah. So how canย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด
24:01
you personally have a work-lifeย  balance? Then I can answer.
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๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ผ๊ณผ ์‚ถ์˜ ๊ท ํ˜•์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์œ ์ง€ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”? ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋Œ€๋‹ตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:05
Dan: Yeah. For me, because we both work,ย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘. ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ์ผํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—,
24:09
it's important for me not to really get, atย  this point in my life, a full-time job. Soย ย 
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๋‚ด ์ธ์ƒ์˜ ์ด ์‹œ์ ์—์„œ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ •๊ทœ์ง์„ ๊ตฌํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
24:16
I have pretty much the perfect situation for meย  because it's professional but it's not strict inย ย 
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๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์™„๋ฒฝํ•œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „๋ฌธ์ ์ด์ง€๋งŒ ์—…๋ฌด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์—๋Š” ์—„๊ฒฉํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
24:26
its hours. That really helps because I was ableย  to negotiate getting Fridays off all the time.
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. ๊ธˆ์š”์ผ์— ์‰ฌ๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ํ•ญ์ƒ ํ˜‘์ƒํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ •๋ง ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
24:33
Vanessa: Today.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์˜ค๋Š˜์š”.
24:34
Dan: Yes. And it'sย ย 
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๋Œ„: ๋„ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ํ•™๊ต๋Š”
24:35
a non-traditional school, so they alreadyย  kind of do something different on Fridayย ย 
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๋น„์ „ํ†ต์ ์ธ ํ•™๊ต์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ธˆ์š”์ผ์—๋Š” ์ด๋ฏธ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
24:39
anyway. Just their flexibility for schedulingย  was really perfect for our situation. Whileย ย 
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. ์ผ์ •์„ ์œ ์—ฐํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์กฐ์ •ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋งŒ์œผ๋กœ๋„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ƒํ™ฉ์—๋Š” ์ •๋ง ์™„๋ฒฝํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:50
it's not as great for making money, it's goodย  for work-life balance, so there's always costsย ย 
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๋ˆ์„ ๋ฒŒ๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ์ข‹์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ ์ผ๊ณผ ์‚ถ์˜ ๊ท ํ˜•์—๋Š” ์ข‹๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋น„์šฉ
24:56
and benefits. I'm not making as much money,ย  but I get to spend more time with my family.
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๊ณผ ์ด์ ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ˆ์„ ๋งŽ์ด ๋ฒŒ์ง€๋Š” ๋ชปํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฐ€์กฑ๊ณผ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋‚ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:01
Vanessa:ย 
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25:01
And you get the same vacations asย  our children because you have theย ย 
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Vanessa:
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ย ย  ๊ฐ™์€ ์ผ์ •๊ณผ ๊ทธ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—ย  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค๊ณผย  ๊ฐ™์€ ํœด๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์–ป์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:06
same schedule and all of that, so you take theย  kids to school and manage their school life,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ํ•™๊ต์— ๋ฐ๋ ค๊ฐ€์„œ ํ•™๊ต ์ƒํ™œ์„ ๊ด€๋ฆฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:14
which, as parents know, managing yourย  children's school life is a big deal.
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๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜๋„ ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ์ž๋…€์˜ ํ•™๊ต ์ƒํ™œ์„ ๊ด€๋ฆฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ํฐ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
25:18
Dan: Yeah,ย ย 
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Dan: ๋„ค, ์ €๋Š”
25:19
that's something that I kind of takeย  for granted because I take Theo toย ย 
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ํ…Œ์˜ค๋ฅผ ํ•™๊ต์— ๋ฐ๋ ค๊ฐ€๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹น์—ฐํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์š”
25:24
school with me. Nobody has to drop him off orย  anything because he just goes with me, so...
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. ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋‚˜์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๊ฐ€๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์•„๋ฌด๋„ ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ๋‚ด๋ ค์ฃผ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ผ์„ ํ•  ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์—†์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ...
25:30
Vanessa: And soon Freddie, too.
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ณง Freddie๋„์š”.
25:32
Dan: As far as a general tip, that's not reallyย ย 
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Dan: ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ํŒ์— ๋”ฐ๋ฅด๋ฉด,
25:36
going to work for a lot of people because thisย  very particular situation... But, yeah, I wouldย ย 
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์ด๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ํŠน๋ณ„ํ•œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ํšจ๊ณผ๊ฐ€ ์—†์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค ... ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋„ค,
25:43
say that to accomplish work-life balance, you needย  to either have both people working a little lessย ย 
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์ผ๊ณผ ์‚ถ์˜ ๊ท ํ˜•์„ ์ด๋ฃจ๋ ค๋ฉด ๋‘ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ผ์„ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ์ค„์ด๊ฑฐ
25:51
or one person working dramatically less to be ableย  to take care of all the stuff around the house.ย ย 
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๋‚˜, ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์ผ์„ ๊ทน์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ค„์—ฌ ์ง‘ ์•ˆ์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ผ์„ ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:57
That's why it's common for the husband to workย  and the woman not to work, not to work because-
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚จํŽธ์€ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์—ฌ์ž๋Š” ์ผํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ”ํ•œ ์ผ์ด์ฃ . ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด-
26:04
Vanessa: Not to make money.
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Vanessa: ๋ˆ์„ ๋ฒŒ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
26:05
Dan: Yeah, not to make the money because well then youย ย 
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Dan: ๋„ค, ๋ˆ์„ ๋ฒŒ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด
26:08
might be able to get a better work-life balance.ย  Although for each person, it's out of balance.
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์ผ๊ณผ ์‚ถ์˜ ๊ท ํ˜•์„ ๋” ์ž˜ ์œ ์ง€ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋งˆ๋‹ค ๊ท ํ˜•์ด ๋งž์ง€ ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ.
26:13
Vanessa: Yeah.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
26:14
Dan: I don't know. It's actually pretty tricky.
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๋Œ„: ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”. ์‚ฌ์‹ค ๊ฝค ๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กญ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:16
Vanessa: Yeah.
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26:16
Dan: I think we do it,ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
Dan: ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ฐพ๋˜ ์œ ์—ฐํ•œ ์ง์—…์ด
26:17
but we are able to do it because we haveย  flexible jobs that we've sought out. We'veย ย 
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์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ  . ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
26:26
also gone through a lot of transitions inย  our life where, "Oh, this isn't working.ย ย 
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๋˜ํ•œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์‚ถ์—์„œ '์•„, ์ด๊ฑด ์•ˆ ๋˜๋„ค.
26:30
This is terrible," then you're reworkingย  stuff and then you get into a better place.
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์ด๊ฑด ์ •๋ง ์ตœ์•…์ด์•ผ'๋ผ๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์œผ๋กœ ๋งŽ์€ ์ „ํ™˜์„ ๊ฒช์—ˆ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ์ž‘์—…์„ ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ์œ„์น˜์— ์ด๋ฅด๋ €์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:34
Vanessa: Yeah, I do feel like-
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Vanessa: ๋„ค, ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—”-
26:35
Dan: You got to be able toย ย 
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Dan: ๋‹น์‹ 
26:36
be willing to change directions like that as well.
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๋„ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์œผ๋กœ ๊ธฐ๊บผ์ด ๋ฐ”๊ฟ€ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•ด์š”.
26:38
Vanessa: Yeah. Ourย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ
26:39
parents had the very traditional husbandย  works outside the home, makes the money,ย ย 
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๋ถ€๋ชจ๋‹˜์€ ๋‚จํŽธ์ด ์ง‘ ๋ฐ–์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ˆ์„ ๋ฒŒ๊ณ ,
26:44
the wife stays home and takes careย  of the kids. Both of those are very-
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์•„๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ง‘์— ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด์„œ ์•„์ด๋“ค์„ ๋Œ๋ณด๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ์ „ํ†ต์ ์ธ ๋ฐฉ์‹์„ ํƒํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ๋งค์šฐ-
26:48
Dan: It's an easy answer.
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Dan: ๋Œ€๋‹ต์€ ์‰ฝ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:49
Vanessa: Both of those are very difficult jobs, but I feelย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ๋งค์šฐ ์–ด๋ ค์šด ์ง์—…์ด์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ
26:52
like between their generation and our generation,ย  there was a shift of both people working full-timeย ย 
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์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๊ทธ ์„ธ๋Œ€์™€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์„ธ๋Œ€ ์‚ฌ์ด์— ๋‘ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ •๊ทœ์ง์œผ๋กœ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์ด ๋ฐ”๋€Œ์—ˆ๊ณ 
26:58
and now we're kind of switching to... I feelย  like a lot of Millennials, which is what we are-
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์ด์ œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”โ€ฆ ๋ฐ€๋ ˆ๋‹ˆ์–ผ ์„ธ๋Œ€, ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:04
Dan: How can we work less?
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Dan: ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด ์ผ์„ ๋œ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
27:06
Vanessa: ... trying to kind of do whatย ย 
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Vanessa: ...
27:08
we're doing. I do think there's a lot of people,ย  a lot of my friends who are our age in the US,ย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์— ์‚ฌ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋˜๋ž˜์˜ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
27:14
they're both the wife and the husband areย  kind of mixing these traditional rolesย ย 
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์•„๋‚ด์™€ ๋‚จํŽธ ๋ชจ๋‘๋กœ์„œ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ „ํ†ต์ ์ธ ์—ญํ• ์„ ํ˜ผํ•ฉํ•˜๊ณ 
27:20
and not working both full-time jobs or justย  trying to do things a little bit more outsideย ย 
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์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ์ •๊ทœ์ง์œผ๋กœ ์ผํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋‹จ์ง€ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋งŽ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ƒ์ž ๋ฐ–์—์„œ ์ข€ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜์„ธ์š”
27:28
the box. I imagine our kids when they'reย  adults and the next generations are justย ย 
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. ๋‚˜๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ์„ฑ์ธ์ด ๋˜์—ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ๋‹ค์Œ ์„ธ๋Œ€๊ฐ€
27:33
going to be constantly evolving and shiftingย  and trying to make things even more balanced.
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๋Š์ž„์—†์ด ์ง„ํ™”ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ณ€ํ™”ํ•˜๋ฉฐ ๋”์šฑ ๊ท ํ˜•์„ ์ด๋ฃจ๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:41
Because for me, I work from home at theย  moment, and technically my job could beย ย 
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ €๋Š” ํ˜„์žฌ ์žฌํƒ๊ทผ๋ฌด๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ  ์—„๋ฐ€ํžˆ ๋งํ•˜๋ฉด ์ œ ์ผ์€
27:48
never-ending. I could always be coming upย  with new courses and new lessons and newย ย 
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๋์ด ์—†์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ฐ•์ขŒ, ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ˆ˜์—…, ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด
27:52
ideas. The way that my brain works, I alwaysย  have new ideas. I swear, every single time-
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์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ๋– ์˜ฌ๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚ด ๋‘๋‡Œ๊ฐ€ ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋‚˜๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ์–ป์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งค๋ฒˆ ๋งน์„ธํ•ด์š”.
27:59
Dan: She never stops.
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27:59
Vanessa: ... that I take a walkย ย 
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Dan: ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์ ˆ๋Œ€ ๋ฉˆ์ถ”์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”.
Vanessa: ...์‚ฐ์ฑ…์„ ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
28:00
or I'm alone with my thoughts, I have a millionย  ideas. Dan's favorite thing is when I come toย ย 
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ํ˜ผ์ž ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ๋น ์ ธ ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๊ฐ€ ๋ฐฑ๋งŒ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋‚˜ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . Dan์ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€
28:06
him and say, "Hey, hun, I had an idea." His eyesย  go, "Oh." But I always have new ideas, but it'sย ย 
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๊ทธ์—๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค๊ฐ€๊ฐ€์„œ "์•ผ, ๋‚˜ํ•œํ…Œ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ์˜ ๋ˆˆ์€ '์˜ค'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚˜๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ํ•ญ์ƒ
28:15
not always healthy for me to be outputting a lotย  of work all the time because I have other things,ย ย 
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๋งŽ์€ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ฑด์ „ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ,
28:20
other people, my children especially, in my lifeย  that bring me joy and need a lot of attention.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ, ํŠนํžˆ ๋‚ด ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ๋‚ด ์‚ถ์—์„œ ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ๊ธฐ์จ์„ ์ฃผ๊ณ  ๋งŽ์€ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ํ•„์š”๋กœ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. . ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ
28:27
I think the key for me, and I don't do thisย  perfectly so I don't know if I'm the best personย ย 
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์—๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ํ•ต์‹ฌ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ด ์ผ์„ ์™„๋ฒฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€
28:32
to answer this... I don't think there is a bestย  person to answer this, but I think the thing thatย ย 
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์ด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋Œ€๋‹ตํ•˜๊ธฐ์— ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ ํ•ฉํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ธ์ง€๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค... ๋Œ€๋‹ตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ ํ•ฉํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ์—†๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š”
28:37
works for me is to be 100% present with whateverย  I'm doing. If I'm working, I am in this room, thisย ย 
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๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ๋งž๋Š” ์ผ์€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์— 100% ๋ชฐ์ž…ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด ๋ฐฉ์— ์žˆ๊ณ , ์ด๊ณณ์€
28:47
is our little office, the door is closed, I amย  focused on work, nothing else is going on. Maybeย ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ž‘์€ ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค์ด๊ณ , ๋ฌธ์€ ๋‹ซํ˜€ ์žˆ๊ณ , ์ผ์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ , ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ผ์€ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋งˆ๋„
28:53
the kids are playing with someone else, they'reย  always here, but they're with somebody else.ย ย 
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์•„์ด๋“ค์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ๋†€๊ณ  ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ , ํ•ญ์ƒ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:58
Or if my kids come in here, I have toย  stop what I'm working on and look at them,ย ย 
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ๋“ค์–ด์˜ค๋ฉด ํ•˜๋˜ ์ผ์„ ๋ฉˆ์ถ”๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณด๊ณ , ์•„์ด๋“ค๊ณผ
29:05
work on whatever I'm doing with them, say hi toย  them, and then when they leave, continue working.
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ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์ž‘์—…ํ•˜๊ณ , ์ธ์‚ฌํ•˜๊ณ , ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ๋– ๋‚˜๋ฉด ๊ณ„์† ์ผํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:11
Just the other day, they were doing something elseย  and I was doing some work. And they busted in theย ย 
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์–ผ๋งˆ ์ „ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ฐฉ์—์„œ
29:18
room, "Mommy, you're on the computer. Wow, I wantย  to sit on your lap." There were two children onย ย 
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"์—„๋งˆ, ์ปดํ“จํ„ฐ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ณ„์„ธ์š”. ์™€, ์—„๋งˆ ๋ฌด๋ฆŽ์— ์•‰๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด์š”."๋ผ๊ณ  ์†Œ๋ฆฌ์ณค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚ด ๋ฌด๋ฆŽ์—๋Š” ๋‘ ๋ช…์˜ ์–ด๋ฆฐ์ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ 
29:23
my lap and I was halfway through finishing anย  email that I really wanted to finish. Thereย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์ •๋ง ๋๋‚ด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ๋˜ ์ด๋ฉ”์ผ์„ ์ ˆ๋ฐ˜์ฏค ๋งˆ๋ฌด๋ฆฌํ•œ ์ƒํƒœ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•œ๋ฒˆ์ด๋ผ๋„ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•ด๋ณด
29:30
is no way that you can do that if you haveย  ever tried to do that, so in my mind, I say,ย ย 
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์…จ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด ์—†์œผ๋‹ˆ ๋งˆ์Œ์†์œผ๋กœ๋Š” '
29:35
"I'm not going to do that right now. I will waitย  5 minutes, 10 minutes. It's going to be okay."
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์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์•ˆ ํ•  ๊ฑฐ์•ผ. 5๋ถ„, 10๋ถ„๋งŒ ๊ธฐ๋‹ค๋ฆด๊ฒŒ. ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„."
29:40
Dan: 10 hours.
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29:40
Vanessa: 10 hours,ย ย 
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๋Œ„: 10์‹œ๊ฐ„์š”.
Vanessa: 10์‹œ๊ฐ„
29:41
it's okay. And focus on just whateverย  they need at that second, and then Iย ย 
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์ด๋ฉดย ย  ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„์š”. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์— ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋“  ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๋ฉด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค์‹œ
29:48
can get back to it. Because I think if youย  try to check your emails while you're alsoย ย 
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๊ทธ ์ผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด
29:54
talking to your kids or doing somethingย  else, your brain is going to go crazy.
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์ž๋…€์™€ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์ด๋ฉ”์ผ์„ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‘๋‡Œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฏธ์ณ๋ฒ„๋ฆด ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:59
Dan: Well,ย ย 
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Dan: ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”,
30:00
a lot of parents probably hand theirย  kids like an iPad or turn on the TVย ย 
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๋งŽ์€ ๋ถ€๋ชจ๋“ค์ด ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์•„์ด์—๊ฒŒ ์•„์ดํŒจ๋“œ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฑด๋„ค์ฃผ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ TV๋ฅผ ์ผœ๋Š”
30:04
or something. That's an option, butย  probably not great for your kids.
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๋“ฑ์˜ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ์˜ต์…˜์ด์ง€๋งŒ ์ž๋…€์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์ ํ•ฉํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:09
Vanessa: Yeah. For me,ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
30:10
usually I only do work whenever the kids are atย  school, sleeping, or with someone else. They don'tย ย 
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์ €๋Š” ๋ณดํ†ต ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด ํ•™๊ต์— ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ž๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ๋งŒ ์ผ์„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:18
really watch that much TV, so that's not reallyย  an option for our family, but trying to focusย ย 
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TV๋ฅผ ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ๋งŽ์ด ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์ด ์„ ํƒํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์˜ต์…˜์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ 100% ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
30:24
100%. And that's also something I recommend withย  English is when you are really studying English,ย ย 
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. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์˜์–ด๋กœ ์ถ”์ฒœํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” ์ •๋ง ์˜์–ด ๊ณต๋ถ€๋ฅผ ํ•  ๋•Œ,
30:31
if you're listening to a song in English, ifย  you're listening to a podcast in English, that'sย ย 
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์˜์–ด๋กœ ๋…ธ๋ž˜๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ์˜์–ด๋กœ ํŒŸ์บ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ
30:35
fun stuff, right? That's great. You're immersingย  yourself. But if you are studying vocabulary,ย ย 
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์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๊ฒ ์ฃ ? ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•ด์š”. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ชฐ์ž…ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์–ดํœ˜๋ฅผ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
30:40
you are writing out those sentences, you areย  practicing your pronunciation, focus on that.
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๊ทธ ๋ฌธ์žฅ์„ ์“ฐ๊ณ , ๋ฐœ์Œ์„ ์—ฐ์Šตํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
30:45
Try to focus 100% of your attention and you'llย  do your best at it and you'll actually improve.ย ย 
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100% ์ฃผ์˜๋ฅผ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๋ฉด ์ตœ์„ ์„ ๋‹คํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ณ  ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์‹ค๋ ฅ์ด ํ–ฅ์ƒ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.ย ย  ๋™์‹œ์—
30:52
If you're trying to do a million things atย  the same time, at the end you're just goingย ย 
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๋ฐฑ๋งŒ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ์—๋Š”
30:56
to feel frustrated. At least that's howย  I feel, like I got nothing done because Iย ย 
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์ขŒ์ ˆ๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๋ผ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ ์–ด๋„ ๋‚˜๋Š”
31:00
was trying to do everything at the same time.ย  So I'm constantly trying to simplify my lifeย ย 
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๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋™์‹œ์— ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์•„๋ฌด๊ฒƒ๋„ ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ๋“ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ์ œ ์‚ถ์„ ๋‹จ์ˆœํ™”ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:07
because there's lots going on. Anyway, that's theย  roundabout answer for this very tricky question.
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋งŽ์€ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด์จŒ๋“ , ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ๊นŒ๋‹ค๋กœ์šด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์šฐํšŒ์  ๋‹ต๋ณ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:12
Dan: Yeah. Inย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์‘.
31:13
other words, you just gotย  to figure it out somehow.
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์ฆ‰, ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ๋“  ์•Œ์•„๋‚ด๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:16
Vanessa: Yeah.
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31:16
Dan: There's not a one-size-fit-all answer.
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘.
Dan: ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์— ์ ์šฉ๋˜๋Š” ์ •๋‹ต์€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:18
Vanessa: Absolutely, not a one-size-fit-all.ย ย 
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Vanessa: ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด์ฃ . ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์— ์ ์šฉ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:21
I think if your goal is to really have a work-lifeย  balance... I think for most people it is,ย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ์ผ๊ณผ ์‚ถ์˜ ๊ท ํ˜•์„ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด ... ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:27
but if that's something that you really wantย  to prioritize, like Dan said, I think you needย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ Dan์ด ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ •๋ง๋กœ ์šฐ์„ ์ˆœ์œ„๋กœ ๋‘๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ์ผ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด, ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํ•  ์ผ์„ ๋ชจ๋‘
31:33
to dump out the bucket of all the things you haveย  going on and decide what is absolutely necessary.
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๋น„์›Œ์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ ์ง„ํ–‰ ์ค‘์ธ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ผ์„ ์‚ดํŽด ๋ณด๊ณ  ๊ผญ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
31:39
Dan: That's a good strategy.
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๋Œ„: ์ข‹์€ ์ „๋žต์ด๋„ค์š”.
31:40
Vanessa: What can we cut?ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์ž๋ฅผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
31:42
What expenses can we cut so we can work less?ย  What trips can we cut? What work trips? Whatย ย 
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์ผ์„ ๋œ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ค ๋น„์šฉ์„ ์ค„์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”? ์–ด๋–ค ์—ฌํ–‰์„ ์ค„์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”? ์–ด๋–ค ์ถœ์žฅ์„ ๊ฐ€๋‚˜์š”? ์–ด๋–ค
31:48
commitments? All of these things so that we canย  get down to just the basics. And then you canย ย 
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์•ฝ์†์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”? ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌํ•ญ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ๊ธฐ๋ณธ ์‚ฌํ•ญ๋งŒ ์•Œ์•„๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ
31:54
kind of build it up from there. But I think, aย  lot of times, I know some people that feel like,ย ย 
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๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์„œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๊ตฌ์ถ•์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” '
31:59
"Well, I have to do this. I have to do this." And,ย  yes, sometimes you have to do things, but overallย ย 
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๊ธ€์Ž„, ์ด๊ฑธ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ด. ์ด๊ฑธ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ด'๋ผ๊ณ  ๋Š๋ผ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋„ค, ๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ผ๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ „์ฒด์ ์œผ๋กœ๋Š”
32:07
trying to really cut back and decide, "What do Iย  need to purchase? What expenses are necessary?"
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์ •๋ง ์ค„์ด๋ฉด์„œ "๋ฌด์—‡์„ ๊ตฌ๋งคํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋‚˜์š”? ์–ด๋–ค ๋น„์šฉ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•œ๊ฐ€์š”?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:15
Dan: Hobbies, too.
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๋Œ„: ์ทจ๋ฏธ๋„์š”.
32:16
Vanessa: What hobbies do I absolutely have to do?
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Vanessa: ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ˜๋“œ์‹œ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ์ทจ๋ฏธ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
32:18
Dan: Some of them mightย ย 
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Dan: ๊ทธ ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š”
32:19
be painful. I recently stopped watchingย  hockey, which is my favorite sport. Thatย ย 
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๊ณ ํ†ต์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šธ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ตœ๊ทผ์— ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ์Šคํฌ์ธ ์ธ ํ•˜ํ‚ค ์‹œ์ฒญ์„ ์ค‘๋‹จํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
32:24
kind of brought a little tear to my eye,ย  but I just don't have time for it anymore.
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์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๋ˆˆ๋ฌผ์ด ๋‚ฌ์ง€๋งŒ ๋” ์ด์ƒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:27
Vanessa:ย 
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Vanessa:
32:28
And maybe at another point inย  your life you'll have more.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์ธ์ƒ์˜ ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‹œ์ ์—๋Š” ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
32:30
Dan: I can watch all the hockey games I want.
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Dan: ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ํ•˜ํ‚ค ๊ฒฝ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
32:32
Vanessa: You'll have more figurative bandwidth,ย ย 
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Vanessa: ์ข€ ๋” ๋น„์œ ์ ์ธ ๋Œ€์—ญํญ์„ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ,
32:36
but for now, maybe in your life, if you're feelingย  really stressed by this work-life balance, layย ย 
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์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์ธ์ƒ์—์„œ ์ด ์ผ๊ณผ ์‚ถ์˜ ๊ท ํ˜•์œผ๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ์ •๋ง ์ŠคํŠธ๋ ˆ์Šค๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
32:41
everything out on the table. What is necessary?ย  How can I cut back so that I feel more balancedย ย 
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๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ…Œ์ด๋ธ” ์œ„์— ๋‚ด๋ ค๋†“์œผ์„ธ์š”. ๋ฌด์—‡์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์ข€ ๋” ๊ท ํ˜• ์žกํžŒ ๊ธฐ๋ถ„๊ณผ ํ–‰๋ณต๊ฐ์„ ๋Š๋ผ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์ค„์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”
32:47
and happy? I think you owe it to yourself, youย  owe it to your family, and you'll just be a betterย ย 
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? ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ž์‹ ๊ณผ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์—๊ฒŒ ๋นš์„ ์กŒ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋” ๋‚˜์€
32:52
person for it. But I'm still working on that,ย  Dan's still working on that, so take it with aย ย 
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚˜๋„ ์•„์ง ์ž‘์—… ์ค‘์ด๊ณ  Dan๋„ ์ž‘์—… ์ค‘์ด๋ฏ€๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋ณ๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ด์„ธ์š”
32:56
grain of salt. All right. Well, thank you so much,ย  Dan, for joining me for this work conversation.
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. ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์€. ์ด ์—…๋ฌด ๋Œ€ํ™”์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, Dan.
33:01
Dan: Yes, you're welcome.
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๋Œ„: ๋„ค, ์ฒœ๋งŒ์—์š”.
33:02
Vanessa: Yes, we made it. Thank you so much for immersingย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์‘, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•ด๋ƒˆ์–ด.
33:05
yourself in English. These types of conversationsย  are excellent for improving your vocabulary,ย ย 
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์˜์–ด์— ๋ชฐ์ž…ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์œ ํ˜•์˜ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋Š”ย ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ๋ณธ ๋ชจ๋“  ๋‹จ์–ด์™€ ๊ฐ™์ด ์–ดํœ˜๋ ฅ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ํƒ์›”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
33:10
all the words you saw down here. But somethingย  even better about these conversations is that itย ย 
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. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋Œ€ํ™”์—์„œ ๋” ์ข‹์€ ์ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด
33:16
has been absolutely proven. The best way to learnย  a language is through immersion and acquisition.ย ย 
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์™„์ „ํžˆ ์ž…์ฆ๋˜์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์€ ๋ชฐ์ž…๊ณผ ์Šต๋“์„ ํ†ตํ•ด์„œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
33:23
This means that you don't really even know you'reย  learning. You're just picking up on all of theย ย 
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์ด๋Š” ์ž์‹ ์ด ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์กฐ์ฐจ ์•Œ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์˜๋ฏธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ์ด ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋“ค์œผ๋ฉด์„œ
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rules and the nuances and the ideas of Englishย  while you're listening to these conversations,ย ย 
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์˜์–ด์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ทœ์น™๊ณผ ๋‰˜์•™์Šค, ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ์ตํžˆ์…จ์œผ๋‹ˆ
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so you're welcome. I hope that you enjoyed thisย  lesson, you learned a lot. Feel free to watch itย ย 
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์ฒœ๋งŒ์—์š”. ์ด๋ฒˆ ๊ฐ•์˜๊ฐ€ ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์› ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐฐ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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as many times as you want. Also, please downloadย  the free PDF worksheets over Dan's face right hereย ย 
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์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๋งŒํผ ์ž์œ ๋กญ๊ฒŒ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ๋˜ํ•œ ์˜ค๋Š˜์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ์–ดํœ˜, ์ƒ˜ํ”Œ ๋ฌธ์žฅ, ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๊ฐ€ ํฌํ•จ๋œ Dan์˜ ์–ผ๊ตด์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ฌด๋ฃŒ PDF ์›Œํฌ์‹œํŠธ๋ฅผ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—์„œ ๋‹ค์šด๋กœ๋“œํ•˜์„ธ์š”
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with all of today's vocabulary, sample sentences,ย  ideas. You can answer Vanessa's challenge questionย ย 
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. Vanessa์˜ ์ฑŒ๋ฆฐ์ง€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋‹ตํ•˜์—ฌ
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so that you never forget what you've learned andย  you can click on the link in the description toย ย 
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๋ฐฐ์šด ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ์ ˆ๋Œ€ ์žŠ์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์„ค๋ช…์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋งํฌ๋ฅผ ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์—ฌ
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download that free PDF worksheet today. It isย  my gift to you. So thank you so much, dear.
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์ง€๊ธˆ ๋ฌด๋ฃŒ PDF ์›Œํฌ์‹œํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋‹ค์šด๋กœ๋“œํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์„ ๋ฌผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง ๊ณ ๋งˆ์›Œ์š”.
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Dan: You're welcome.
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๋Œ„: ์ฒœ๋งŒ์—์š”.
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Vanessa: I appreciateย ย 
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Vanessa:
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you joining me for this conversation. Theseย  are absolutely beneficial to our students.
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์ด ๋Œ€ํ™”์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ ˆ๋Œ€์ ์œผ๋กœ ์œ ์ตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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Dan: It's my pleasure.
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๋Œ„: ๊ธฐ์˜๋„ค์š”.
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Vanessa: And it'sย ย 
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fun to talk with you about these types of things.
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Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
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Dan: Yes, indeed. Thank you.
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๋Œ„: ๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ . ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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Vanessa: You're welcome. Well,ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋„ค์‚ฌ: ์ฒœ๋งŒ์—์š”. ์Œ,ย ย  ์ €์™€
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thanks so much for learning English withย  me. And let me know in the comments,ย ย 
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ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์›Œ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋Œ“๊ธ€๋กœ ์•Œ๋ ค์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
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what is your job? Tell usย  in the comments of your job.
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ง์—…์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ๊ฐ€์š”? ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ์ง์—…์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ๋‚จ๊ฒจ์ฃผ์„ธ์š”.
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Dan: Do you have work-life balance?
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Dan: ์ผ๊ณผ ์‚ถ์˜ ๊ท ํ˜•์„ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
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Vanessa: Do you have work-life balance and tips for theย ย 
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Vanessa: ์ผ๊ณผ ์‚ถ์˜ ๊ท ํ˜•๊ณผ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ํŒ์ด ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”
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rest of us? And we'll see you again next Fridayย  for a new lesson here on my YouTube channel. Bye.
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? ๋‹ค์Œ ์ฃผ ๊ธˆ์š”์ผ์— ์ œ YouTube ์ฑ„๋„์—์„œ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ฐ•์˜๋กœ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋ต™๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•ˆ๋…•.
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Dan: Bye.
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34:36
Vanessa: But wait, do you want more? I recommendย ย 
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๋Œ„: ์•ˆ๋…•.
Vanessa: ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์ž ๊น, ๋” ๋“œ๋ฆด๊นŒ์š”?
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watching this video next, where Dan and I willย  talk about our daily routines, including somethingย ย 
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Dan๊ณผ ์ €๋Š” Dan์ด ๋งค์ผ ์•„์นจ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ๊ณผ ์ €๋Š” ๊ฒฐ์ฝ” ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์ผ์„ ํฌํ•จํ•˜์—ฌ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ผ์ƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๋‹ค์Œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์‹œ์ฒญํ•˜์‹œ๊ธฐ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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that Dan does every morning and I never do. Whatย  is it? Well, I'll see you there to find out.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์•Œ์•„๋ณด๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์„œ ๋ต™๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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