Conversation: Embarrassing Moments┃Learn American English Pronunciation On the Go

Rachel: Welcome to the Rachel's English podcast.

In today's episode, I'm sitting down with my husband, David, and we've chosen some interesting questions  

to get us talking about ourselves and our lives. And as we go, we will identify phrasal verbs,  

idioms or interesting vocabulary words that come up as we speak naturally. We'll pause the  

conversation and we'll discuss those words. We’ll make sure they get defined and that  

you understand how to use them.  If you'd like a free copy of the  

transcript for this podcast, please visit  rachelsenglish.com/podcast and look for this  

episode. Let's get started. Okay, David I’ll  start with a question and we’ll both answer. 

So, I would like you to describe an embarrassing moment or two that you've had as an adult. 

David: Oh, nice you have me go first on that,  

that's -- I see what you did there. Rachel: 

Yeah, that's how I did it. David: 

Alright, so, my recent embarrassing moment was a couple years ago when you and I were traveling,  

on one of our road trips. And all of a sudden, I realized that I had scheduled a phone session with  

one of my clients here and bang, out of nowhere I just got this thought that I realized that I  

had totally missed that session, and that’s  not a good thing. I'm a therapist and so,  

therapists, you know, you're not supposed miss your sessions. So, that was really embarrassing.  

He was very gracious. I called him and he really rolled with it, but man that's not a good feeling,  

to know that you've missed something and that the other person is really depending on you. 

Rachel: Right, so,  

“roll with it” means something unexpected has happened, but you don't let it mess you up.  

Another example would be, during my presentation, my projector broke, but I rolled with it. I kept  

going without the visuals. So, you called him, like, after the session was supposed to have  

happened? David: 

I think so or maybe he texted or sort of like, “Hey, where are you?”. I don't remember exactly  

what happened, who realized it first. Rachel: 

I remember that. Do you remember where we were?

David:  On some kind of bridge thing at  fisherman's wharf in San Francisco? 

Rachel: Yep. 

David: On our way to get the, what are they called? Cable car. 

Rachel: Yeah, well, I think actually, we were taking a trolley that time. There was like that bus-shaped  

thing. It was different than the cable cars  I think- [crosstalk] -we took that time. 

David: Yeah, alright so that's mine, what's yours?  

Rachel: Well, I have a couple that I thought of.  

One of them was, I was doing this YouTube program and there were 36 different channels that had been  

invited to Los Angeles to the YouTube space. We were getting a channel work-up where we  

were getting all sorts of advice on how to make our channel better. So, of those 36 channels,  

there were maybe five or six or where were two people working on the channel, a male and a  

female. Most of them were just one person like me. But so, there were some, what looked like couples,  

working on YouTube channels together which is not uncommon. And I realized that not all of those  

male-female partnerships were couples. They were not all romantically involved, some were married,  

and I knew at least one that was just a business relationship. And so, then I sort of felt like,  

you know, I didn’t want to assume that everybody was a couple, just because it was a man and a  

woman working on the same channel.

David: Mm-hmm.

Rachel: I asked one of the sets of people

what made them decide to start working together. I was  

clearly assuming they were not a couple and they very awkwardly answered, I don't remember what,  

they didn't say, “Well we're married, Rachel.” But I could tell that it seemed weird that I had  

assumed that they weren't married, so then, I was like, well it's weird to assume that  

someone is married. So, I felt like I was stuck  between a rock and a hard place there, like,  

no assumption was going to be socially acceptable if it was wrong -- if it was the wrong one. 

David: And you didn't want to just ask? 

Rachel: Yeah, I mean you  

don’t just go up to someone in a professional environment say, “Hey, are you guys married?” 

David: That's true. 

Rachel: I mean that's awkward as anything. 

David: That’s true. 

Rachel: Now let's back up really quick. I said sort  

of a funny idiom. I was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Okay, so that means, you are in it,  

you're trying to make a decision between two things, and neither of them really seemed like a  

great option. I felt like I could assume they were married and tried to interact with them on that  

way, I could assume that they weren't married and tried to interact with them that way, but neither  

one of them felt like the right thing to do I just found it very hard to figure out what to assume.  

David: Right. 

Rachel: And then, you might think, well,  

“Why did you have to assume one or the other?”  Well, you don't, but when you're in this social  

slash professional situation, because there's a lot of hanging out, too, for a whole week. I  

mean that it, it's just hard to not interact with somebody without knowing what that relationship is  

between other people in your group.

David: Right, and I think it brings up this thing that we talk about a lot where for people  

who are learning English and who want to sound like a native speaker, there's the desire to  

sound natural and to use slang, which you've been talking about a lot or to just be a little bit  

more informal. And it is really tough in those situations where it is one-part professional,  

one-part social. Another example of that is, if you're out after work with coworkers, let's  

say you're out for happy hour getting a drink, it's really difficult sometimes to know, “Well,  

wait a minute is this -- how should I be talking this person?” Maybe they are your supervisor or  

your supervisee and it's tough.

Rachel: I agree. When those lines get blurred, it can be hard, even as a native speaker among Americans to  

know exactly how to be and what to say.

David: Yeah, that's a good point, actually people should not feel like it's just their  

accent or fluency that's making them feel  awkward in those situations. That's true,  

those are tough for all of us.

Rachel: Yeah, okay, David. Do you want to ask a question?

David:  Alright so, another question I want to ask you is, what's one thing

you would like to change  about yourself?

Rachel: I guess I would try to change -- I think sometimes I'm not very focused. I sit down at my desk to do  

something and you know like, 10 minutes later, I am doing who knows what, but it's not what I set  

down to do and I can’t even remember what I sat down to do. And I feel like some days, I'm really  

focused and it's like “Wow!” I can feel it, I can tell it feels great, but that just doesn't happen  

that much. So, I guess that's what I would say I wish that I could -- I wish that my mind wasn't so  

open to distractions all the time.

David: But that really surprises me. you're someone who is -- you know you have your own business.  

There's no one making demands of you in terms of deadlines

and yet you always seem to be working really hard. 

Rachel: Well, but maybe sometimes, I'm just up there watching YouTube videos. [Laughs] 

David: Good to know. 

Rachel: Here's the thing, though,  

I do do that sometimes, because I subscribe to this newsletter that's like online video news,  

YouTube news it’s called Tube Filter, I think, because I feel like I should know what's going  

on in the world of YouTube. It's never related to what I'm doing, but every once in a while,  

I’ll get sucked down a whole like that’s how I found out. [Laughter], this is so stupid,  

I don't listen to the radio ever. I know I know no music but that's how I found out that that song  

Despacito was topping the charts. It was because 

it was talking about how the YouTube video was topping the charts - 

David: [Laughter] right.

Rachel: - and then I started listening to it.

David: [laughter] Right.

Rachel:  “Topping the charts” means really popular. It's used a lot with music, movies  

or video. And I think it comes from Billboard charts, which are used to keep track of the most  

popular songs in any given week.

David: Which you know what story that makes me think of.

Rachel: What?

David: When you and I were first dating and we were walking around Manhattan- 

Rachel: Ah, yeah 

David: And blaring out of this sort  

of on like teen clothing shop was this music, and the song was wildly popular at the time,  

it was Call Me Maybe. And I turn to you and I said so, is this -- something along the  

lines of,” Is this just absolute trash or is  this the epitome of pop music?” and you said,  

“I don't know what you're talking about.  I've never heard that song before.”  

Rachel: Right. 

David: I was stunned. 

Rachel: Well, for the record, when it came to the  

chorus. I did recognize the chorus. Mostly because  I'd seen like internet satires of the song. 

David: [laughter] Yeah, again, an awkward way to  

know about the song.

Rachel: Yeah. A couple idioms we used. David said,  “…along the lines of…” We use this when we  

are not describing something exactly. Maybe we don't remember it the exact details, but we're  

giving the general idea of it. And I said, “for  the record” which we use sometimes when we're  

correcting or clarifying something that someone has said. I'm just not much of a -- I just do not  

like pop music. I'll admit it.

David: That's one of your few character  flaws I would say [laughter]. 

Rachel: And see I would not call it a character flaw. What is a character flaw?  

David:  Character flaw, something that is just fundamentally, a personality trait that is  

just really difficult to change and-

Rachel: Is seen as negative?

David: - Is seen as a negative.

Rachel: So, you were joking when you said that?

David: I was joking, mostly.

Rachel: Now. Would you would you ever tell someone that they had a character flaw,  

like seriously, because it's sort of a  harsh thing to say to somebody, isn’t it? 

David: No, it's very harsh and no,  

you would--that has to be in a very informal setting with someone that you know well.  

Rachel: Would it maybe be that you  

are talking about someone who is not there? Like, “Oh, [crosstalk] he has a lot of anxiety. It's a  

character flaw.” Can you say that? David: Yeah.

Rachel: I don’t know that’s kind of mean.

David: That’s pretty biting. That's not casual gossip. That is a pretty biting accusation. 

Rachel: Do we use it jokingly more than we use it for real? 

David: I think so, and often you would --  it's safe to direct it at yourself. 

Rachel: Yes,  

self-deprecating, to be like, “It's a character  flaw I love chocolate.” or something like that. 

David: Right. 

Rachel: Okay David, what's one thing you  

would like to change about yourself?

David: Yeah, I was so. I was thinking about that question, too. And there was a while,  

several years ago where I was doing a sitting meditation practice. Every day or almost every  

day for 10 or 20 minutes and it was great. I  really felt like It helped me throughout the day,  

just be present to each moment, to not be spending a lot time anticipating what was coming next or  

worrying about what had already taken place during the day. I really liked that, my mind was just  

more calm and still. And then, in the years,  since when I haven't been doing that as much,  

I really notice the difference. So, I sort of  always want to be meditating more and doing that  

practice and I haven't. The thing that I would like to change is I want to get back to that.  

I want to get back to sitting more and having  that feeling of just yeah, your mind being calm. 

Rachel: So, the change that you can tell that  

has happened since you stopped doing that, how would you describe what your mind is doing now? 

David: Well, I was thinking about it when  

you said hard to focus, it is related to that. And I think it's hard to focus but also what I noticed  

when I was doing more meditation was that thoughts that I had just sort of slid past. It was like,  

I described it as my brain had Teflon.  Thoughts just weren't sticky and annoying—  

Rachel: Oh, what’s Teflon? people out there  

might not know what Teflon is.

David: Teflon, I don’t even know if that's still what they call it but that's the lining of  

a nonstick pan,

Rachel: Yeah.

David: -so if you’re, some pans have this coating on it that makes it so that food doesn't stick to the  

pan when you're cooking.

Rachel: Is the theory that you can use less oil then when you cook with that kind of a pan? 

David: Less oil and easy cleaning. So,  

it's just supposed to wipe right out and you  don't have that like brown stuck to the pan. 

Rachel: Yeah. So,  

now that you don't have the Teflon brain, you have the brown food residue stuck to your brain  

from the thoughts.

David: Yeah, I have cheap cookware brain.

Rachel: Yeah, that's the analogy. Okay, so, Teflon

David: Teflon.

Rachel: Nonstick surface, for those of you who don't know that word. Okay, David, well what's one thing that  

you love about yourself?

David: Well, I went to sort of a character trait of mine, I guess. And thinking about in conversation,  

I tend to really pay a lot of attention to  asking people good questions, making people feel  

comfortable in a situation or in a conversation and I really enjoy getting people talking  

in depth, about what's going on with  them, what they're thinking about,  

what their worries are, what their hopes are. That kind of stuff,  

I think that, yeah, I’m just good at sort of  drawing people out. That's a -- what is that? 

Rachel: Yes, so, to draw someone out,  

that's a phrasal verb, to draw out.

David: Right it's not an idiom or anything, it’s just—

Rachel: Well, phrasal verbs are sort of idiomatic, I would say, but this would be categorized as a  

phrasal verb. And when you draw someone out, then that means you sort of bring them out of their  

shell. You get them to maybe be a little bit more vulnerable with you, maybe tell you things that  

they wouldn't just tell to just anybody. You're drawing them out, you're sort of getting them  

relaxed and talking more freely about results.

David: I wonder where that comes from, where that common usage came in? Because if I think  

about a turtle…

Rachel: Yeah.

David: …when they're really safe and feeling at ease then they come out from under their shell. 

Rachel: Mmh 

David: Which is kind of a nice  

positive way to think about it.

Rachel: Yeah.

David: But drawing out, we also would use in a hunting situation, where like dogs maybe I guess they  

would say dogs are flushing birds out of a field.

Rachel: Yeah, but I get what you are saying.

David: They are drawing them out.

Rachel: And we also use it, phrasal verbs are often used in various different ways. And if we say that  

something is drawn out, that often  means that it took too long to happen. 

David: Oh, right. 

Rachel: Like, if you're watching a movie,  

and it sort of, the pace is slow and it's really long and it's unfolding really slowly. Someone  

might say, “Hey did you like it?” and you could say, “Well, I did, but it just seems kind of  

drawn out.”

David: Interesting. You can see the connection there, but it's a pretty different meaning. 

Rachel: Yeah, I think when you draw someone out,  

that scene is a positive.

David: Yes.

Rachel: When you're getting someone to open up, there's another phrasal verb that means the same thing  

when you're talking about people.

David: Right.

Rachel: Okay so, one of the things you love about yourself is your ability to make people feel comfortable  

and drawing them out. David 

Yes, so, what about you what would you say?

Rachel: Well, actually, today is a great example of this, I am pretty okay with mess. When I'm working on a  

project, I just kind of leave it out until  I'm done, which might be never. And today,  

we had a cable guy over to our house changing out our internet and he came up to my office and, you  

know, there's piles of equipment everywhere. And I said, “You know what? I'm okay with this.” And  

he was there observing it and he was, okay, he was here being really gracious working among my  

piles of stuff, but it just like looking at that,  looking at my room, my office was just like, “Yep,  

I'm a messy person.” And I'm not always, I  definite like things to have their place,  

but most of the time they're not in their place.

David: And so, okay, so the question was what you love about yourself. So, what about that is something  

that you love?

Rachel: To me, it reflects not a strictness to how things are supposed to be. And also, like, how do you  

value time? I valued time in a way that I do not think that spending time picking up my room is  

always the best way to spend my time. Like at the end of the day, if I had to choose between picking  

up my office and putting everything in its spot or coming down to hang out with you and Stony,  

I am going to choose that. That's more important to me. I'm okay with the mess, I let the mess be  

and I let my life carry on around it, so that,  because other things are more important to me.  

And also, I think another thing that I like about myself is sort of along those same lines, which is  

I'm not that interested in rule following.  I use the phrase “along those same lines”.  

This means you're saying something that is related or similar to something you've already said. Along  

those same lines. Different from the earlier  phrase “along the lines of” which means I'm not  

saying exactly what happened or what the thing is but I'm speaking generally about it. Okay,  

back to how I don't follow rules. I mean, I’m not like a horrible person, disobedient kid or  

anything.

David: [laughter]

Rachel: But I don't think that I have followed the like the normal path that a lot of people  

like me have followed with education and job and yada, yada, yada. I'm making my own way,  

choosing how I was going to do things. Actually, I just said “yada, yada, yada” and it made me think  

about you know how we use that. That was sort of a Seinfeld thing for a while, isn’t it? Like it was  

part of a Seinfeld episode.

David: Maybe but, it predates for sure.

Rachel: Yeah. I think Seinfeld may have used it and may have had a little bit of a heyday under Seinfeld,  

another thing I have to define. But  when you say “yada, yada, yada”,  

it's like saying, “You know what I mean,  I could keep going but I'm not going to.”  

David: Or you could say et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. 

Rachel: Right, right,  

it's like writing etc. and yada, yada, yada.

David: Mmh.

Rachel: Okay, so, I said it had a heyday under Seinfeld. When you have a heyday,  

that means sort of like a golden moment where in popularity or in everything going right. 

David: Mmh. 

Rachel: So, I think that this  

term, “yada, yada, yada” might have been in a Seinfeld episode and it might have sort of  

taken off as something that people referenced a lot. And if the if I'm right on that, then it  

might have been a little heyday for that phrase where it was sort of more popular than normal. 

David: So, what's another example? I'm thinking  

of newspapers. Newspapers in their heyday, or extremely commonplace and were the number one  

media for Daily News consumption.

Rachel: Right.

David: In their heyday

Rachel: Yeah, and now how many people get a paper newspaper delivered? Probably almost no one. 

David: Right. 

Rachel: So that means their heyday is past.  

David: Right 

Rachel: They're not as popular  

as they used to be.

David: Right.

Rachel: Yeah. Good example.

David: Thanks. So, you know what I was thinking about when you said about room for messiness in your  

office? Well, number one, thank you for coming downstairs instead of cleaning up, I love that. 

Rachel: You’re welcome 

David: I would much rather have you have a  

messy office and more time with me and Stony.

Rachel: Right? Who needs a beautiful office up there when no one 's in there anyway? 

David: Right, but… 

Rachel: Go down be with the family. 

David: Yeah, but you know,  

what I was thinking was when your office,  for a long time, doubled as our living room. 

Rachel: Yeah. 

David: Then your comfort with messiness  

was a little bit of a situation.

Rachel: Was it? You never said anything.

David: I maybe hinted at it.

Rachel: What I mean –

David: I was being a good person probably.

Rachel: It was pretty contained though there was just like piles on the desk, at least,  

when my office was in the living room, I feel like I didn't have piles all over the floor in general. 

David: Yeah. That's true,  

but it was— Rachel: 

But it bothered you? David: 

Well, not really because, who cares? But because  I think I have a decent messiness tolerance, too. 

Rachel: Yeah, you're more neat, but you do tolerate  

me sick very well for how neat you are. David: 

Yeah, you know what I just said? I said  it was a little bit of a situation. 

Rachel: Oh, yeah, what did you mean by that? 

David: I meant that, oh,  

man how do you even describe that? I meant  that it was an issue. it was noticeable. 

Rachel: Yeah when you  

say we have a situation or this is a little bit of  a situation. It means it's something that needs to  

be addressed. There's a little problem. David: 

Right. Rachel: 

Like if let's say when David cooks, he  cleans up as he goes and I don't. So,  

when I cook at the end of - [laughs] 

Rachel: - At the end of whatever meal I’ve prepared,  

the kitchen is a little bit of a situation. David: 

This is true. Rachel: 

It needs some help. [laughs] David: 

Great example. Rachel: 

Thank you. David: 

Alright, so let's talk about another question and  tell us, what is the best job you've ever had? 

Rachel: Okay. Well, I mean  

I love Rachel's English. I'm going to say current  job doesn't count, also it's not really a job it's  

like the whole thing. I'm not working for somebody  else. I'm going to say the best job I ever had was  

working at a guest house in Manhattan. It was in  a great location I got to live there, so I got to  

live in this amazing location in Manhattan and it  was a crazy job because I was the only employee,  

so I had to do everything. I had to greet the  guests. I had to, you know, set up the calendar,  

accept the payment. I had to do all laundry,  make up all the rooms. It was like maid service,  

laundry service, guest services. The worst  part of it was the physical plant. That's  

the department that's taking care of buildings,  usually. I had to take care of the building and  

it was over 150 years old. And it was an old  brownstone close to the East Village and oh,  

men, I mean that thing was crumbling.  I remember a day where I had a handyman  

that I called regularly to help with things and  I called on a Sunday and I said, “What do I do?  

There are gallons of water coming in through  this one wall.” and he came over and was like,  

“I don't really know what I can do.” But, yeah,  so it was an everything kind of job and I  

think even though there are parts that I  didn’t like that appealed to me. And then,  

the other thing that appealed to me is, I was  the only person who worked there so there was  

a board who I had to check in with they were my  boss collectively. But there was no one looking  

over my shoulder telling me what to do in a  given day. I did what I thought needed to be  

done and that’s really how I operate. That's, you  know, that's one of the things that I enjoy about  

my current situation, to being my own boss  is, I just, I love being in control of how  

I choose to spend every minute, and I'm always  choosing to get things done, it's not like I'm  

going surfing at Rockaway beach or something.  But I like deciding when I do the laundry and. 

David: [laugher] surfing at Rockaway beach? [laughs] 

Rachel: I've never surfed, for the record,  

I don't know that came into my mind – David: 

Have you been to Rockaway beach? Rachel: 

Yeah. David: 

Okay, so that’s half possible. Rachel: 

Yeah, I know it's one of the beaches  that you go to when you live in New York. 

David: Okay. 

Rachel: And they're surfing there. As I  

was speaking and I was trying to think of what's  an example of like totally shirking your duties,  

that's what came to mind. “Shirk your duties”  that means to not do what you're supposed to do. 

David: What’s a shirk? Is it like a shrugging off? 

Rachel: Yeah, I guess. I mean, I don't  

know that it's a physical thing, but when you  shirk your duties, you don't take care of your,  

you do not do what you’re supposed to do. David: 

Correct. I just wonder what that comes from. Rachel: 

I don't know where that comes from I feel like  there's a theme on this podcast of you asking me  

where English words come from and I never know. David: 

Because it doesn't matter. Rachel: 

Because it doesn't-- it will  matter, it’s interesting— 

David: It matters,  

but in order to sound more like a native speaker,  it doesn't matter so much where it comes from. 

Rachel: Right. I think that you should start a blog where  

you follow up every podcast by researching all  the words that you are curious about in your blog. 

David: That sounds kind of fun, actually. 

Rachel: Okay 

David: I’d enjoy that. 

Rachel: davidsenglish.com, everybody. [laughter] 

David: NO, no it can be on yours. It’s  

going to go on the rachelsenglish. Rachel: 

What about you, David, what's  the best job you ever had? 

David: Well, I'm a therapist or you could say counselor.  

Those words are pretty much interchangeable, and  I've been a counselor therapist for a long time,  

about 15 years. But about 10 years ago, I started a private practice, and that means  

basically, well, the phrase is putting out your  shingle, which is used by a lot of different  

professions I think. Rachel: 

I've never heard that phrase, actually. David: 

Are you serious? Rachel: 

Yeah. David: 

If you're putting out your shingle, that  means starting up your own shop. You're  

hanging a sign above your door. So, starting my  own private practice meant that similar to you,  

there's no one above me. I'm able to have my  office and see my clients and it's been really  

rewarding for that reason. But also, it's my best  job ever, because I really enjoy working with  

people who are motivated to work on their issues  and work hard in counseling. So, that's definitely  

the best job I've ever had. Rachel: 

You said that you've been a counselor  therapist for 15 years and you've  

been doing that for 10 years. What were  you doing for the 5 years before that? 

David: I was doing counseling, but just not for myself. 

Rachel: You were working for somebody? 

David: I was a family therapist,  

two years going into individuals’ homes and  doing family counseling and then, for two years,  

in what's called a residential treatment facility,  doing therapy with kids and their families there. 

Rachel: But you prefer being  

your own boss. Also, are the people who are coming  to you, people who are choosing to go to therapy  

whereas maybe in those first 5 years, was it  people who had good therapy for a certain reason? 

David: Yeah that's -- I think that's a big difference. I  

mean, basically, the whole 15 years it's been both  private practice and other things, but there's  

something unique about, in my practice in which people are, yeah, motivated and eager. They're  

actively seeking out the hard work of therapy,  and I think that there's something about that,  

that makes it really rewarding. Rachel: 

Yeah. So, here the word “practice” is a noun.  David's practice is his group of clients that  

come to him. Usually, it's more common to  see practice in its verb form, and this is  

something that we do to get better at something.  You practice the piano, you practice your English,  

so I guess it could also be used with the clients.  They're practicing, talking to you about their  

feelings or practicing processing, maybe. David: 

Well that's a good -- that's very Rachel: 

In order to get better. David: 

And I would say that I am a practitioner. Rachel: 

So, that's another noun. David: 

That’s another noun. Rachel: 

Related. David: 

-some sort of practice now. Rachel: 

Practitioner. Cool, I hadn't thought about that.  I think it's interesting, right now I'm working  

for my online school on stressed words and  thinking about words and their different forms  

when they’re a noun versus a verb, how they  can be pronounced differently. For example,  

the noun “house” is different from the name  verb “house”, which ends in z-sound. Where  

will they be housed? Or you live in a house?  That ends in an S sound and there's all sorts  

of different examples of that when the part of  speech changes the pronunciation of the word. 

David: Man, that's such  

a specific difference. I mean, I've talked about  this before, but it's so different than Spanish  

where I can read Spanish even when I don't know  what I'm reading, because each letter that you see  

correlates to a sound, right? Rachel: 

Yeah because it's phonetic. David: 

What I mean -- yeah. Rachel: 

Well, and another thing that's confusing is,  often when a change happens in pronunciation,  

it's also stress. So, for example, you can say  the word “address”. “He addressed the public.”,  

“He spoke to the public.” But you  might say, “What’s your address?” 

David: Mmh. 

Rachel: And there, it's a  

noun and the stress is different, ad-DRESS,  AD-dress. So, it's the sounds that are changed,  

but it's also the stress. David: 

Impossible. Rachel: 

Impossible, except not- David: 

Unless you are a great teacher. Rachel: 

Well, lot of people out there working  really hard and they're getting it. 

David: It’s true. 

Rachel: Okay, David, thank you for sitting down with me to  

discuss these questions and think about English. David: 

Yeah, that was really fun. That brought up a whole  bunch of different kinds of things. That's great.  

I like that. Rachel: 

Brought up, phrasal verb. [laughs] To cause  something to come to the surface to be discussed. 

David: There you go. 

Rachel: Yeah, you really drew me out. [Laughs] 

David: Alright. [Ba-dum-tss] 

Rachel: Alright, seriously,  

thank you for your time to come here and you know,  lend your time to the Rachel’s English audience. I  

appreciate it and I know they appreciate it, too. David: 

You're welcome Rachel: 

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